It is still crap
#tank-balance-discussion
wide bloom
No chance to win. I'm noob of the top 10%. Please do something with this a20. For example decrease the reload time
nocturne jetty
Amx sanic bis needs reload time buff to 7.1
drowsy plaza
@wide bloom don’t play tier 4
indigo dawn
the wz td and vk 100 need a nerf
neon peak
Yep
jovial kernel
VK is fine, WZ most likely won't be nerfed because premium
neon peak
Wz should still get one though
jovial kernel
Did I say it shouldn't?
neon peak
All I was saying is just cause it’s a premium tank doesn’t mean it shouldn’t get a nerf
coral geode
@slim rivet Don't play tier 8 mediums if you want to have fun.
warm meadow
@wide bloom the a20 is fine it has good armor, good speed, reliable pen, and decent dpm
worthy jasper
The FT is straight up OP
neon grail
CDC just kinda clicked for me I dunno why. I’m bad in the ru though
warm meadow
Subtle change in subject is subtle
coral geode
Idea: Rework Alpha damage at high tiers, starting with changing Soviets to favor higher alpha on the medium tanks, at the cost of some of their DPM
warm meadow
They've tryed that and people say that its to "OP" and that it's the noobs tank
quick lichen
There’s nothing wrong with any mediums in tier x currently. The 4202 is plainly outdated and the 30b was nerfed into the ground
deft owl
Leopard 1 doesnt suits meta also.
warm meadow
If there's a will there's a way so the Leo can and probably will find a niche in the meta if not then it will make one
deft owl
The thing is leo 1 becames obselete after countless buff to t62a and the release of the french lights.
T62a has better gun handlings and 10x more armor without sacrificing much mobility. Bc can do scout job way better then leo 1.
quick lichen
Leopard 1 has a completely different play style and aren’t comparable...
rain ivy
STB-1 is the improved Leo, change my mind
quick lichen
It’s a toss up honestly
Against bad players? Stb
Against good players? They almost always pen the turret even while using gd
In which case if you’re going to get penned anyways, Leo has a better gun and dpm
deft owl
Play styles has nothing to do with this. A tank that has 10x more armor shouldnt have better gun handlings.
smoky yoke
It's more on the caliber of the gun, leopard I think can do more dmg per shot making it stats a little worse
deft owl
Lol caliber has nothing to with either. Its russian bias. 105 mm l7a3 is one of the best gun in real life for its time and it out performed russian guns. Not the case in blitz ofc.
fiery flame
The leopard has an amazing gun tho, same as the FV4202 but with no HESH
deft owl
@fiery flame T62a has better gun handlings then leo1.
fiery flame
I’m not arguing that, t62 has the best gun handling in all of tier X, just saying the the Leo has a sufficient gun, I mean compare it to the one the stb has
deft owl
Why would i compare with stb-1? That thing has - 10 gun depression with some turret armor it doesnt deserve best gun handling in the first place.
fiery flame
Well what else would you compare it to, it the closest tank to the leo
STB turret armour is a bit of a joke if you can aim for its centre
deft owl
Even if i compare this still does not explain why t62a has better gun handlings.
fiery flame
What needs explaining? They buffed it because the tank heavily underperformed
deft owl
T62a never underperformed.
fiery flame
Yeah it did, by stats it was the worst tier X med
deft owl
Players that make it crap. Players were underperforming not the tank.
fiery flame
Well they buffed it to compensate for players underperforming
deft owl
Even before the universal med nerf t62a was one of the worst at winrate wise. But actually it was overpowered as hell along with obj 140.
fiery flame
As far as I am aware WG looks at statistics mainly from players in the 55-65% range, they don’t seem to pay attention to how bad players are playing
deft owl
Yes they do. 55-65 sucked with t62a. However unicorns were dominating with it.
fiery flame
Isn’t that the unicums???
Also had a look at the gun stats, the only place the Leo really loses out is in the aimtime, which should be higher for a higher alpha gun in my opinion
Everything else is the same in terms of gun handling
deft owl
Nope. T62a has way more armor to wait. Leo needs to aim faster since it doesnt have any armor.
fiery flame
What kind of dumb logic is that
deft owl
Also as you can see 0.50 aim time is big difference not small.
smoky yoke
It's game play the less dmg you do the better your aim time
An most likely your dispersion too
fiery flame
It has a higher alpha gun, hence the faster aim time, it’s sort of a recurring theme in the entire game, or do you want the 183 to have a super fast aim time because it doesn’t have any armour?
deft owl
@smoky yoke Lol no. Wz-121 has best aim time and it has 122mm gun.
fiery flame
Chinese mediums are unique
deft owl
So there is no such logic like bigger caliber=slower aim time.
smoky yoke
But desperion is crap? It basically a different game mechanic like seige mode. Makes the game have variety. You ain't going to be shooting on the move with that tank
fiery flame
As I said they are unique, only the Chinese mediums starting at tier 8 have that characteristic with their 122mm guns
deft owl
@smoky yoke Yes you cant. But still how on the earth t62a with its crap gun beats l7a1 gun is ridilicous.
Also fv215b has better aim time then leopard 1.
fiery flame
It’s game, don’t try to squeeze in realism, we have fantasy tanks rolling around and tanks which only ever existed in blueprints...
deft owl
@fiery flame Still a tank that has 10x more armor doesnt deserve better gun handlings.
fiery flame
Well the only thing better is aim time not penetration, alpha, effective dpm or gun depression
deft owl
Alpha is only 40 less and its faster reload makes up for it. Also heat pen is same.
smoky yoke
Check tank compare and like wtf, leopard is the most popular thank in tier 10, in mediums not much mediums even come close. An even thou its the most popular it almost has the same stats in win-rate dmg and average dmg.
fiery flame
Yeah but say you fire 2 shots in leo you do on average 700dmg, but with t62 you do only 620, it makes a big difference in game
deft owl
t62 can shoot 3 in that time. @smoky yoke Have you ever checked e50m?
fiery flame
Hmmm let’s do some counting then, leopard reload = 6.9 t62a reload = 6.18
deft owl
E50m beats leo1 at everything.
fiery flame
Because it has armour and is more noob friendly
deft owl
E50m is nowhere close to being noob friendly. The tank is better then leo 1. Simple as hell.
Stb-1 too.
So?
Still it doesnt explain why e50m and stb-1 overwhelmingly beats leopard 1.
fiery flame
4% is “overwhelmingly” 😂
smoky yoke
I recant that my tank compare just didn't show it but all the talk about t62a it is basically doing the worst at tier 10, and obj 140 is doing a whole lot better
Wrong image here
fiery flame
Ayyy my obj 140 dmg record is 3rd
deft owl
@fiery flame %4 ar tier x is overwhelmingly big.
slim rivet
Peeps need to stop comparing tanks based on those stats only 😂 we can’t say <<ok, this one is better cause it has more green stats than the other one>>. The “best” one is the one played according to its own logic and play style. The more you stick to those the “best” the thank is. Also, I assume than most peeps here are unicums / super unicums. Therefore it’s pretty irrelevant to consider overall WR or average damages here since Some tanks are harder to handle (eg IMO Leo) and the relating stats are screwed up by beginners (not to say bloody nabz)
empty charm
30% is the tank, 70% the player. that makes the victory. apart from the team...
white vessel
Leo is da best
iron lynx
Leopard 1 is good
vocal dew
Nerf darcula pls
jovial kernel
No u
potent kraken
why
hazy sedge
Well i find Stug as a good tank but yeah its my best tank yet since im fairly new😑
iron lynx
It is quite good
wet quail
DonAtE mE mOneY
late tiger
nO...
unique scaffold
Wtf
late tiger
@unique scaffold I know, have no idea why he wants money
unique scaffold
I want money 2 :))
late tiger
For what tho - everyone wants money
late tiger
And I want a lot of stuff for free but am I getting it? @unique scaffold 🤔
lone warren
He wants to buy wargaming
late tiger
Will be a bit pricey and by "a bit" I mean A LOT
quick remnant
Why would WG give things for free?
late tiger
@quick remnant because that is how they keep their player base - on false hopes to get something for free
quick remnant
Oh. No wonder
unique scaffold
@late tiger Well 😂 😂
slim rivet
Can u imagine my deception when I see new messages in the section but none of them is balance oriented?
late tiger
yes
drowsy plaza
Please stick to Balance Discussion.
deft owl
@drowsy plaza Balance doesnt exist in this game.
late tiger
@deft owl ooooo rekt
slim rivet
Constructive comments neither ...
quick lichen
@deft owl clearly you’ve never played tier 9
deft owl
Its the only tier that has some balance.
quick lichen
False
drowsy plaza
@deft owl most balance issues are player side induced. Tier 9/10 are the best balanced tiers
slim rivet
IMO centurion (tier 8 British med) needs a buff
quick lichen
Tier 5/6 are pretty balanced with a few exceptions
deft owl
10? I dont think 10 is balanced when 183 is still around here.
deft owl
It makes it unbalanced when 4 of them in same match.
quick lichen
Plus the 183 just got knocked down a bit. No one is spamming them anymore
I’ve seen far less 183s
deft owl
People looking for alternatives 😂
slim rivet
Same. But it still drives me to insanity when i get a high roll HESH in my face 😉
drowsy plaza
For 6 kph increase in speed the Cent loses pretty much everything else to the Caern
slim rivet
Yup. That’s the point. It need a serious buff. While I have around 2k damages st tier 8, I struggle to keep 1,7 with cent
quick lichen
Somehow I still did ok in the cent
deft owl
Also tier 5 is not very balanced now. Tech tree tanks are inferior to premiums for now.
quick lichen
That’s most tiers
Is5 is better than an is3
But just barely
Hence no real issue
I don’t know many people that play tier v for fun
deft owl
They nerfed tech tree tanks but prems untouched.
Is3 has some advantage over is-5. Like better p/w ratio, better gun etc.
quick lichen
Better rof on the is5 and better armor
Balanced
Since this server started, I can’t honestly say I’ve seen anyone complain about tier 5
deft owl
Is-5 can use some gun handlings nerf imho. In pc it has 0.44 base accuracy while in blitz it has 0.40.
quick lichen
If you’re telling me the is5 gun is too accurate, you’ve never played the tank
No is5 driver would ever say that
deft owl
It was just a nerf proposal. If you have better idea let me know.
deft owl
But you sad its better then is-3. Where is the balance then?
quick lichen
And comparing blitz stats to pc is just stupid
random fiber
is5 gun is very bad against other heavy tanks
quick lichen
^^^
drowsy plaza
For the vast majority of the Player base the IS-5 got a nerf with the German Vk 100.01 (P) addition. Many players used the IS-5 as a super heavy - and it isn’t.
quick lichen
Right there
crude pumice
FV215 183 over-nerfed .... cant go anywhere from base,,,
quick lichen
@crude pumice you act like people ever left spawn
unique scaffold
I despise the IS-5. Wish I'd never bought it. That gun is secured by rubber band and duct tape and my Gunner must be Stevie Wonder...drunk.
quick lichen
Is5 gun is so garbage
That’s your balancing
The rof increase is needed for when you miss your shot
drowsy plaza
@crude pumice the 183 isn’t a balanced tank for Blitz. The Alpha and Pen are not Balanced for Blitz.
deft owl
But still you sad its better then is-3. Tanks cannot be balanced unless one of them get nerf or buff.
deft owl
Im trying to be objective here.
quick lichen
And you pick the is5?
unique scaffold
I think they are fine. All of the tier VIII IS series tanks have their little nuances that set them apart from each other. Personally none of their play styles appeal to me but to each their own.
quick lichen
It’s a hair better in practice. That’s basically it
You could talk about the wz-120-f or skorpion
Which are far easier
deft owl
Wz is another story but skorpion isnt really op.
drowsy plaza
@deft owl he said it was balanced out by its short comings. Let’s face it most of the tier 8 Russians are fairly brain dead tanks that are point and shoot.
drowsy plaza
@quick lichen it’s also team dependent -
quick lichen
Not as much as you’d think
I just overwatch for the first half and then trade shots
deft owl
Skorpion only has great gun. Camo is meh, armor is non existent, speed is meh.
deft owl
Its camo was %27 or something when staying still which isnt great.
deft owl
Wz has %45 btw.
drowsy plaza
@quick lichen one can only overwatch if ones team left spawn. I started very strong in mine. But after about 30 battles kept getting spawn camping teams.
drowsy plaza
It’s an outstanding toon tank.
quick lichen
Either they go light/med and spot or heavy and brawl/hold
I love playing with a platoon
Hate solo
drowsy plaza
Part of the problem with Balance is - a lot of tanks are flat out amazing in a toon, and absolutely a ‘roll the chicken’ bones in a solo pub match.
quick lichen
That’s all the reason in the world to platoon
Tj and I ran double tier 9 foch. Unreal dpm and double tap potential
drowsy plaza
Lol
quick lichen
We yoloed tier 8/9s and killed them from full hp in 7 seconds
deft owl
Su-122-54?
drowsy plaza
One reason not too toon is so I don’t run into you two on red 😏
quick lichen
Watch them make a setting for turning off platoons
deft owl
And you forget some stuff. Su-122-54 has best p/w ratio and camo rating in tier 9 tds. And traverse speed.
quick lichen
And yet
drowsy plaza
And Russian gun.
quick lichen
The only thing people care about in that tank is dpm
deft owl
However that tank is very good at camping too.
quick lichen
It’s impressive but that style is only used a few times. The tort and jg tiger are the same thing. Useful dpm and actual dpm are two very different things
deft owl
Tort is garbage imho. It needs buff.
quick lichen
The jg and Tort was so much time moving and moving and not shooting
It’s the game play
It’s not the tank
drowsy plaza
deft owl
Lol that su-122-54 dpm.
drowsy plaza
Yeah. On paper it pretty much clobbers the Foch.
quick lichen
I’ve seen good games but I’ve yet to be impressed by that tank
deft owl
Thats because Su-122-54 is very situtational.
drowsy plaza
Gun depression limits however are painful without a turret
drowsy plaza
I agree the Foch is a lot less limited.
deft owl
Btw dont you guys think torty needs buff? Its really obselete after su-122-54 buff.
drowsy plaza
Tort has needed a buff since it’s nerf two years ago. However since it leads to the 183, I’m okay with it as is 🤫
deft owl
Yes thats why wg didnt buffed it but since 183 is nerfed torty can be buffed now.
deft owl
Lol why? They are already crap except at15 and at15a.
drowsy plaza
Honestly my issue with the 183 is a significant amount of the players who play it don’t care about the nerf. They only landed 1-2 hits in game anyway. Their game play hasn’t been visibly (to them) affected. They used to get deleted anyway - they simply played it to land a 1k bomb and type ‘haha’ in global.
quick lichen
Because it leads to the 183
Duh
The nerf doesn’t change the average 183 players game
deft owl
Well 183 needs to be replaced with fv217 badger imho.
quick lichen
They might miss a few shots over time. That’s basically it
slim rivet
Just delete the whole feking line. Problem solved
deft owl
Nah give me fv217 badger. The hulldown dpm monster.
drowsy plaza
We need ZERO more tier X TD’s
quick lichen
@slim rivet amen
deft owl
It should be replaced with 183. Td count wont increase.
iron lynx
Introduce the alternative British TD line
quick lichen
I wish wg would do a 183 buy back program. 10 mil to sell it in collaboration with making it a collector tank
@iron lynx hah no
deft owl
Sh*tbarn? @iron lynx
quick lichen
Fv 4005 is worse now
iron lynx
Waiii
I wann the Barn
Because I don't have to suffer thru the ATs
quick lichen
Plus you’d have 4005 and 183s. Double the td count
You deserve to suffer. Just like everyone the 183 hits
You’re “paying it forward”
iron lynx
Then make the Conway lead to the FV183 and ditch the Barn
quick lichen
Ditch brit tds 😏
unique scaffold
@drowsy plaza. Bingo. 3 in every match is too many already
iron lynx
I think the Badger is more likely to appear in premium form
drowsy plaza
I just told iRak, but this is probably worth posting here. I was flying on Saturday cross country. A person a seat in front and across from me had Blitz up on his iPad. He was loading his E100 into battle - using in flight WiFi. So next time you wonder why there is a player doing donuts in spawn screaming ‘LAG’ think about who else plays this game... 15,000 ping, yup sounds like a great time to play tier X....
iron lynx
Well it would be the first and last battle he would play on a plane.
drowsy plaza
I doubt it sadly - he had Blitz up the entire 5hr flight. I kept trying to see his user name - but couldn’t.
iron lynx
Oh wow
Such a sad sod
drowsy plaza
I tried it once, in 2015. Now it might be funny just to see packet loss 98%
deft owl
@drowsy plaza Well at least he has chance to shoot unlike afk players. Thats something.
unique scaffold
Well that explains a lot.
iron lynx
Well he wastes ammunition for probably nothing
drowsy plaza
@deft owl true - but with that ping and packet loss - it’s effectively worse than an AFK - as they don’t hit and just disclose their position earlier than an AFK would. Plus you just know he’s going alone to town.
I mean I’ve tried playing on hotel WiFi this week, and it’s downright frustrating. I don’t do very well and keep feeling I’ve left the team down. So I’m probably not going to play this week till I get home.
iron lynx
I've tried playing in a train before
It is all good until entering a tunnel
Then I'm ded
Packet loss: 85%
Ping: somewhere in the high thousands
deft owl
@drowsy plaza You can try cellular network.
unique scaffold
@drowsy plaza. Hampton Inn WiFi is pretty good for blitz
deft owl
Seems Crusader hotel wifi is quite trash 😁
proud cape
Matchmaking needs to be revamped completely. Balance the players not just for tank types but for their statistics as well. To avoid bad games for everyone and make it completely fair. Like there are 3 super unicum players in each team,2 good players in each team and last 2(bad) in each team.
slim rivet
Imagine the number of super unicum playing simultaneously you would need....
proud cape
Need what lol
slim rivet
To compose teams like that, obviously
deft owl
@proud cape This topic is about balance not mm.
proud cape
@deft owl balance=fair
unique scaffold
@proud cape. Read the pinned messages. This isn't the place to whine about mm.
deft owl
Tank balance and matchmaking are whole different things.
empty charm
its a mobile game vor everyone. a mobile game! u want it only for elite players? and where should the good players all come from, everyone started as a beginner.
proud cape
Lol how is that @empty charm....you want to play with a wholly inexperienced team instead of same number of good players as other team? The odds would need to be evened
torpid tiger
Am I the only one who thinks that the Leo pta needs a slight gun depression buff?
slim rivet
Nah, it’s already really good. The buff is leo1 😉 @torpid tiger hy mate btw
torpid tiger
It is gud but 6* on a paper tank 🤔 And hello ^^
unique scaffold
Random MM = fair because it is applied equally to all.
Balanced MM would be inherently unfair because it would treat some players differently than others.
On that note this is not the place for matchmaking discussions. Take it to #general-blitz-discussion @proud cape
proud cape
Seriously how is that unfair if number of players of varying skill levels are evened
torpid tiger
I agree, random mm is very good as it is ^
empty charm
no, i also like to have good teams. but it is not realistic to exclude inexperienced or simply stupid players. you have to live with it. besides, you also need someone to shoot ...
unique scaffold
@proud cape #general-blitz-discussion
torpid tiger
The game wouldn't be so fun if the teams were equal everytime and eventually everyone would get to 50% after a while
proud cape
@empty charm I never said exclude inexperienced players lol. The numbers should be evened
empty charm
u r right mr.spock
unique scaffold
#off-topic-discussion
https://media0.giphy.com/media/3ZNFdTVU4euRy/200.gif?cid=3640f6095c41d00b49515168519fef51
proud cape
👍 fine have it your way. Be sure to try a couple of dozen battles in Asian when you're free
Don't forget to compare teams
torpid tiger
The mm is the same everywhere and I'm sorry don't want to offend you but if you're losing the majority of your games is kinda your fault. Again Don't wanna offend u
unique scaffold
visual nimbus
Oof, light mode
unique scaffold
@visual nimbus light mode serves a number of useful purposes
- It makes Discord look like a "professional" app when I'm at work.
- It usually stops the conversation at hand with a comment like "Oof, light mode".
- Additional screenshots in light mode can be used as a deterrent.
visual nimbus
lol, fair enough
dusky oxide
Just for #1 im gonna try it out
torpid tiger
I only said that cuz I never saw unicums or super unicums moaning about the random mm , sorry dude . Didn't said that you're bad or anything
proud cape
Actually I've seen them moaning @torpid tiger lol
earnest kettle
They all complaining 😂😂
proud cape
I'm no unicum nor inexperienced player so I get the hit for being partially my fault
But it's not false when some unicums moan about bad MM and can't carry in a tank that they use(stock tank for an example in a full team of maxed tanks used by inexperienced players)
torpid tiger
Okk^ let's end it here. Didn't mean to offend u lol
I never complain about it cuz obviously you can't win them all , my stats are still growing pretty well. I hope they're not gonna change it tbh
earnest kettle
I mean idk why anyone would complain about mm itself in the first place, theres good players and theres bad players, and you'll end up with having both in your teams
proud cape
Never always
earnest kettle
There's no point in complaining about something that you cant change 🤷
lone obsidian
^
rare wolf
We need Stronge Weapons
A 300mm would be nice😂
vital onyx
Eh when I check on blitzstars it shows that I’m slowly growing even tho I feel like I lose quite a few times 🤷♂️
wet quail
Justin you look awfully feminine for that name 😫
rustic fossil
@deft owl >>Thats because Su-122-54 is very situtational.<<
My scrub opinion is that it’s hard to drive. Little gun depression and small gun arc make it difficult to get shots off. Nonexistent armor and relatively low Alpha limits the use as an assault gun. I believe it would lose a shootout with a Foch due to nonexistent armor. It really has just Dpm going for it
burnt venture
the 50B needs to be faster, T57 heavy is better than it in almost every way
except gun depression
coarse harness
50 km/h with a heavy is not enough for you ?🤔
Btw i played the SU-122-54 before the buff (ofc i sold it before the update news, cauz fml🙄 ) but it was really good in that condition imo
brazen veldt
@coarse harness what do you think about E100?
coarse harness
That was my first T10, i think it's fine
brazen veldt
Mine too
lone warren
You should never really be in a ‘shootout’ in a 122-54. It has mobility and dpm. Just keep the gun shooting in back line
lunar niche
Wait, 258 mm of standard AP pen is bad?
coarse harness
I used it as a med and it's worked pretty good i think
brazen veldt
Which Tier? @lunar niche
lunar niche
@brazen veldt Were you saying E100's pen was bad?
brazen veldt
I said pen sorry thats my bad ım talking about accuracy soo sorry
lunar niche
Its a 15 cm on a heavy, the gun handling will obviously be bad.
brazen veldt
Im talking with someone at the same time. I get confused
I want to give an example to E100's penetration
IS7's armor is pike nose its hard to play. When you looking from rear it has 250 mm of armor. But when it straight towards to you armor can up to 350 mm. And now u dont have any chance to penetrate.
wet quail
Is7 isn’t a very good tank anymore tbh
coarse harness
^^^
slim rivet
It’s still more than decent 😂
And a buff of accuracy of e100 would make it undoubtedly OP. Can u imagine? Huge HP pool, armor (for those who know to hide lower plate and angle turret), nice alpha and pen... so yeah accurate might be a problem but otherwise it would be far to good. IMO
brazen veldt
U re correct but when enemy has gold ammo, armor no longer matters 😭
rustic fossil
@lone warren >>You should never really be in a ‘shootout’ in a 122-54. It has mobility and dpm. Just keep the gun shooting in back line<<
No doubt true. I find myself in situation that I shouldn’t be in with TD, especially those with de net mobility like the SU 122-54mostly because meds/heavies are cowering and not playing their part, but also because my situation a awareness is lacking.
halcyon orchid
Buff the Mauschen pls
coarse harness
That SU could be the meds worst nightmare
In T8 that dpm is a beast
Not just in T8, but especially there🙄
high shale
What about to increase T95 armor on cupolas and on tracks again?
fiery flame
Rip t95 it got nerfed into the ground
high shale
T95 is the worst tier IX tank i got it for it armor but a IS7 which is super balanced can pen it everywhere
median gust
Please explain why T95istheonlytankforme has nearly 70% WR.
rustic fossil
@median gust T95isthr onlytankfirme’s WR is dropping. His 30 days WR is 62.5%. I bet he is feeling the nerf too
median gust
that’s not rlly relevant.... NAnI Nerf noobs? 😂
obsidian osprey
I think the T95 is fine currently. It combines 4/5 of the most important stats in Blitz (alpha, dpm, pen, armor, and mobility). The mobility is worst in class to compensate for the top 5 or top 10 ranking in the rest of those categories. As far as the armor nerfs go, every well armored tank at tier 9 has some sort of frontal weakness- E75, ST-I, and Foch all have fairly easily pennable LFP (and cupolas). T95 was unique in not having that previously. Now, it has a very thin and still somewhat well armored LFP and a shooter has to sustain a pretty well guaranteed 600-700 damage shot to access it (compared to 400-500 damage and a larger plate for the others). The cupolas are only easy to hit if the T95 sits still or sits right out in the open.
I wish I could have tried it before the nerf with the god sides and lack of LFP weakness. All you have to do is go to a decent conservative spot on a map and melt anyone foolish enough to expose any part of themselves. You do really have to cajole your team in chat into picking a good direction since it’s highly team dependent. I managed a 67% winrate in the T95 in about 100 battles starting stock and at 75% crew, which is well above my average. Those WN8 stats are not even purple.
burnt venture
lel meanwhile I sit here and think T95 is pretty paper against my IS-4 HEAT and my French Heavy Clippers. Even my IS-5 has no trouble against them. @obsidian osprey
rustic fossil
@tribal summit I can find anyone’s 30 day WR in blitzstars.com
mystic escarp
Remove the deathstar and no more balancing will be needed
quick lichen
Checks out to me
versed night
Deathstar is already pretty much removed, useless if not close range or very lucky
twilit crystal
Uh the idea and meta behind it still dominates
iron lynx
Still, I'd feel better driving around in a tier X match now
atomic hound
@obsidian osprey the t95 is now completely buttered by any tier 9 heavy or TD, and every tier 10 tank that choses to fire gold ammo. This is especially unfair on the t95 from longer range, and in a t95, it's not running away any time soon. My perfect example was when I killed a t95 in 3 shots firing apcr in the t30. There was no way he was going to bounce it, and he failed to pen me once in return. The tank should have weakspots, sure, but for it to sacrifice as much mobility as it does, I firmly believe that it should have an incredibly strong armour profile from the front at longer ranges. At close range it can be circled, and it has the cupolas. It won't ever turn into an overpowered sniper (since I'd not want it to be easily pennable from range), because it could simply be ignored until the end of a match: if one is camping in the back, he is gonna stay there, whether he wants to or not.
I drove it before the nerf, and it certainly didn't feel overpowered. The hatches are a very real weakspot already.
elfin marlin
Aced it yesterday. I brawl in to the meds and ram their flanks. Than I keep pushing them and use my dpm. That is one of my tactics to deal with the enemy. Foch is difficult to handle use your prammo when face to face situation. But try to get their sides too.
elfin marlin
Speed and rof have balanced to low armor. I find su122-54 quite enjoyable to play
formal forge
Su122-54 is removed on wot pc :(
empty charm
in true history, the su-122 was unsuitable as a hunting tank, as the gun could not penetrate the tiger's armor and shots went off 500m away. lol.
coarse harness
That's the regular SU-122, but that had a howitzer to support the infantry
rustic fossil
Just one observation - when playing T9 TD’s, I get up tiered more often than when playing T9 heavies. I think this is because T10 is already crowded with T10 TD’s, so they don’t need to pull in T9 TD’s.
I also find the Su 122-54 fun to drive, but I am not good at it. It’s not an easy drive to to lack of armor and gun depression.
slim rivet
I had 16 games in row low tier with Foch, so dunno....
elfin marlin
Gun depression has never bothered me in su122-54
@rustic fossil perhaps you don’t drive it aggressively enough. Maybe you should attack the damaged enemies rather than full hp enemies first. Don’t attack the heavies unless you have shots in their sides or rear. Attack soft targets and ram them and keep wiggleing while pushing them.
That worked for me. Good luck
But I find it hard to ace compared with its predecessors
rare wolf
Hello There
coarse harness
The armor was pretty troll as well when i played the SU🤷🏻♂️
atomic hound
VK sucks at sidescraping, what did you expect... You'd have been flogged with AP too...
I do get the frustration tho
hidden scaffold
160mm of side armor angled at 70 degrees does not sound like something sucking at sidescraping
unique scaffold
I think strengthening VK 72.01 K lower plate OR those strange weakspots would be fair. On PC the VK 72.01 has weak lfp but not those strange sides, although they are (IMHO) easier to hit on Blitz
atomic hound
Sad fact is that the VK can't sidescrape against anyone that can aim, or fires gold, or both. @hidden scaffold
hidden scaffold
Idc if his AP could pen but the fact that I lose 1400 hp to a hesh meme is why the 183 doesn’t belong in this game. A tank that requires 0 skill to farm damage is just trash game design
atomic hound
Idk, I think that shot took at least some skill, it isn't an easy shot (yes it was also luck that it hit) and it required the 183 driver to know he could pen the VK there.
Either way, there are less of them around now after the nerf, which is good
hidden scaffold
And I didn’t post the ss of the first shot he fired which didn’t pen and still did 500+ damage, on a shot that failed to pen my armor
It doesn’t take more than 2 brain cells to see the difference between the color red and gray on a hitskin
atomic hound
I know you're a great player RH, but it would probably have been better if you hadn't sidescraped against a 183 in the first place in the VK...
You'd have taken the same damage over the 2 shots if he had fired AP both times
hidden scaffold
Crew XP doesn’t grind itself
And the fact is there are 3 German superheavies in this game and currently only 1 can reliably deal with a 183. Which is a problem seeing as outside of that you have a hull down IS-4 and that’s it, no other tank counters a 183 shell
atomic hound
Meds and the BC counter it properly now that it has terrible camo, but I get your point.
wet quail
You over angled against the 183 that’s all, it’s not his fault you made a mistake 🤷♂️
fiery flame
Don’t side scrape in the vk, most tanks can pen you easily, even mediums if they aim a bit
quick lichen
Moral of the story is that the vk 72 is garbage
lapis kayak
Add smoke screen shells to the game to add spice to the game make the# a premium ammunition and have a effective area of like 50 meters or sumthing we need something TACTICAL
indigo knot
@quick lichen your equipment preference for grille
indigo knot
Thanks
fiery flame
@quick lichen 74 million credits... wtf man
Buy the equipment for the grille, damn boy what you saving up for 😂
tribal summit
What is deathstar in game?
ivory fractal
The FV215B 183
little crest
If you ask me, he got those amount of credits from playing tournaments with his team @fiery flame
tribal summit
I cant see any armor nerf in T95. Still 305mm on front
little crest
The lower plate is weak
tribal summit
Lower plate is very narrow
little crest
shoot the cupola
tribal summit
But with such a mobility it is a problem to cover the plate
fiery flame
Side armour was weakened, lower plate was weakened and the cupolas were weakened. All this happened while the mobility stayed the same 😁
tribal summit
After 6 years they found T95 too strong, weird
fiery flame
Game has been out for only 5 but yeah sure, no idea why they nerfed it
tribal summit
The tank was very unpopular
little crest
They nerfed it because of a player in NA server did something really annoying few years ago by the name of BLUE_ROCK. All he did was camp at the corner edges of the map and doesnt give a damn about helping his team mates
tribal summit
What a story 😉
fiery flame
I don’t believe that they nerfed a tank simply because of 1 player
quartz crown
I’m sorry if they nerfed it because of blue rock- Can I have him back on this server
slim rivet
Vk is not bad lol
Maybe not the best to side scrap. But who spend whole battles side scraping? 25 win rate bots?
cursive acorn
wish I could make more money in the LTTB
brittle compass
@cursive acorn you can if you enrich it
median gust
It's like 8k gold
brittle compass
yeah rlly
cursive acorn
I don't have the gold either :(
shy wren
Premium account certificates?
rustic fossil
@elfin marlin Thx, sounds reasonable. I do think you are correct that the SU 122-54 should. It used as an assault gun, Now that it’s maxed out, It started to grow on me.
@tribal summit Just note that before the T95 was nerfed, it was buffed . I think it got a mobility buff.
dusky oxide
Is the new chinese td at t10 an assault gun? Ive heard qb describe it as one.
feral ermine
Yeah it has a good rate of fire for such damage,good Depression and not bad or good Accuracy
It has very good front armor if lower plate is hidden and bad sides
Best TD for hill down imo
cold vale
I think that sidescraping against the 183 was a mistake but one the one hand it did help make it harder to take damage.
The 183 just needed a camo nerf and any dpm tank can counter it effectively (especially for example Russian TDs or the BC)
It is sad that of the three German super heavies only one can effectively deal with the 183 but it’s important to remember that the 183 is a TD and meant to counter heavy tanks.
small flame
Actually the 183 is a self propelled gun. Not a tank destroyer
dim field
We don't have a class for that though
crystal spoke
So is the stug
warm meadow
No stug is a TD
crystal spoke
No it's not it might have been used as one but it was built as an spg (technically all tanks are spgs)
dim field
If you add a comma then the sentence changes drastically.
No stug is a TD vs No, stug is a TD
crystal spoke
Its main focus was to bring (a then ) large caliber low velocity gun to support the infantry by mocking out my nests or anti tank guns while panzer iiis, spgs like the marder series or anti tank guns themselves take out the enemy tanks
iron lynx
Technically, KV2 is also an SPG
crystal spoke
Not really technically it was and was ment as one (we should probably go to #off-topic-discussion though)
jovial kernel
Stug is actually an assault gun
halcyon orchid
OK PEOPLE we need to make the VK 100.01 Ps reload faster
jovial kernel
Actually yes buff the stock gun on it
unique scaffold
What's up with the 105 on vk? Its the same gun as top on jpanther and second gun on jpnather2
shy wren
Super bad DPM on the stock gun.
Like, a quarter less DPM on the stock gun compared to the top gun
wanton oyster
I think we all agree WZ 120-G FT needs a nerf. Since it has awesome DPM, if anyone knows the PC British TD the Badger? Has the highest DPM in the game. HOWEVER, it gets trash pen tank destroyer wise. Something like that needs to happen to WZ. It’s fast, has armor, DPM, penetration, gun handling, and traverse. what is a counter to it? Can anyone tell me? Or what’s a weakness besides the small as fudge lower plate.
fiery flame
Gun depression is like the only weakness
iron lynx
Uh
If you mean direct counter, probably none.
fiery flame
ISU is a good counter, in terms of TDs
winged barn
The back of the wz makes a great HE target
twilit crystal
U cant flank a wz lol
iron lynx
You make it sound like getting to its back is easy @winged barn
winged barn
I usually just sacrifice a noob
shrewd kiln
The problem for me as heavy driver is that many who drive that thing also spam HEAT as soon as the bounce once.
twilit crystal
Nothing wrong with heat. It does less dmg. Unless you are an e75 u arent bouncing 250 mm of oeb
empty charm
strengthens the English TD, they are so terribly useless in the game and only frustrate.
slim rivet
Delete the whole line instead^^ problem also solved 😂
coarse harness
AT-7 and Torto are useable, AT-15 is almost OP
jovial kernel
lol what did you just say about the AT-15
iron lynx
Laughs in LTTBnese
coarse harness
@jovial kernel you have problem with the ,,almost" word ?🤔
jovial kernel
I wouldn't even call it average with the number of mobile and heavily armored tanks in tier 8
iron lynx
AT-15 vs VK 100.01 P
jovial kernel
AT-15 vs T-54 ltwt
iron lynx
Well VK 100 is a more likely comparison since both of them usually meet in frontlines
And ltwt wins almost everytime if the ltwt player is competent
jovial kernel
ltwt is probably the best tier 8 medium
it's also like the perfect tank on Himmelsdorf
coarse harness
If you hide your cupola, and use all your gun arc nothing can pen you with AP in T8 (exept T34 and TDs🙄)
If they use gold, they lose dpm and you can use yours that is the best in T8🤷🏻♂️
jovial kernel
If you hide your cupola Russians will just shoot APCR and back up before you get a second shot in to them lol
late tiger
@jovial kernel you know ltwt is a light tank
jovial kernel
It's also the best tier 8 medium
late tiger
No is6 is the best tier 8 med @jovial kernel
iron lynx
No Rhm is best tier 8 heavy
late tiger
maybe so - have not played it that much
dapper shadow
Maus is obviously the best light tank 🙃
jovial kernel
@late tiger The IS-6 is still the best scout tank but I've started feeling the T-54 ltwt is the superior medium
late tiger
nonsense
jovial kernel
Also T-54 ltwt is literally the best tier 8 for himmelsdorf
atomic hound
AMX CDC is the best tier 8 medium imho
wet quail
Yeah it is now, so good in so many aspects
iron lynx
Rhm is the best tier 8 medium
craggy kayak
dusky wolf
Isn't Rhm the best tier 8 light tenk?
twilit crystal
Ru251 has the 2nd best dpm of any non td at 8.
torpid tiger
Did I ever asked about the hit skins being removed?
formal forge
6500 gold for e25? Is it worth it? Is pretty low price
slim rivet
Not the worst offer ever
lean knot
hey ummm can you put competitive mode plssssss
empty verge
the mm has to change in tier 8 and 9 battles,this replay shows how imbalanced it really is
unique scaffold
@empty verge. Please read the pinned messages.
unique scaffold
teams are unbalanced players .. between teams what i made average .. the enemy always has 4% wr more
@unique scaffold over how many games?
atomic hound
<@&481447501690568709> perhaps ask wg to rename this from 'balance-discussion' to 'tank-balance-discussion' to help prevent the endless streams of complaints about teams here?
lone warren
Ru251 is for the coolest of kids
twilit crystal
@empty verge how does one replay show anything? you aren't showing a longterm trend
empty verge
i can show a cluster of em but tier 8 and 9 match is not so fair u see they get better guns of 350 dmg and same rate of fire (exept cent) like the type61,leo pta,cent7/4 almost any medium has an advantage more than that true for any tier8 heavy or the light tanks@twilit crystal and yea i kno mm is gud the way it is but only one tier is a problem@unique scaffold
winged barn
@jovial kernel dont bash the at15
It will permatrack you as you come around a corner
indigo vigil
Pershing needs a buff. Please.
formal forge
Jeez the max selling tanks per day is anmoying
Is useful when your acc got hacked but when you want sell some tanks you hate
shy wren
At least it’s 5, not like 1 per day.
formal forge
Wanted to buy e25 (cuz an good offer) byt i needed golf and i got useless colector tanks in my garage
lyric spruce
@formal forge the collectors that used to be premium give off good amounts of gold
formal forge
I know but they are nerfed so...
iron lynx
Except the BT7 artillery
lyric spruce
I'm selling a few to get e25 but iffy
clever mauve
Bt7 artillery is my go to tier 3 tank @iron lynx
vague hull
jovial kernel
@winged barn I'm not dumb enough to get triple tracked, and I always keep 2 repair kits.
crude pumice
jagd pz e100 need alpha buff or traverse buff
lone warren
@vague hull how about trying to post it in the right channel instead of posting it everywhere else
brazen veldt
@crude pumice its the most powerful gun in the game it doesn't need alpha buff
hidden scaffold
This guy just called the jg powerful lol I can’t 😂😂
crude pumice
@brazen veldt i can't believe that its ammo always go ricochet
yea, jg E100 is junk. really junk. 😇
brazen veldt
@hidden scaffold its not the worst btw
In PC its the most powerful TD but in blitz its not
crude pumice
this server talk about blitz. don't talk about WoTs JG
brazen veldt
I know
crude pumice
@brazen veldt u must make jgE100 and ride. maybe u say same as me.
brazen veldt
It's so slow but its gun is good I think
quartz crown
crude pumice
u just think. but it's not. its aiming arc is only 8 deg. if target move, and move jg body, disperson go so bad.
quartz crown
It’s pretty bad- I can’t reliably pen tier 1s despite losing apcr shells and 60% of my clip potential
Like it’s fine to remove burst damage, but at least allow me to pen the side of American tier 2 light tanks.
narrow sluice
Yo war gaming explain this
unique scaffold
@narrow sluice how many games do you have?
rare bone
Guys isnt this Balance Discussion or is it Open Mimimi Channel?
narrow sluice
Eh
median gust
@atomic hound Why ping the entire role? Just ping one of the people from WG, like Oscar_Robertson
atomic hound
Since none of the mods had an issue with it, (or even respond at all) I take it that I didn't bother anyone, so there is no need to act like a white knight mate.
unique scaffold
@narrow sluice. Then you are out of the low tier bot period. MM will make you wait until it finds players of comparable battle count.
Solution: play higher tiers.
coarse harness
The JG E-100 really needs a treverse buff
jovial kernel
lol it needs an everything buff
fiery flame
I think it’s fine as it is
coarse harness
It's fine imo, exept the power/weight ratio and the treverse speed
The tank rolls low abot 7 out 10 times tho, but thats not a fact🙄
jovial kernel
It doesn't have it's own role so it just ends up sucking at the roles of other TDs
coarse harness
Wow guardian, you finally got a role😱
fiery flame
I play it sort of like a heavy/td hybrid and I’m really happy with it, then gun in amazing as far as I am aware
unique scaffold
How about there is enough TD spam at higher tiers. I think every TD should be nerfed to bring them in line with the JG.
Problem solved
jovial kernel
If you want a heavy TD, might as well drive the E3
fiery flame
Still don’t have the player role tho @coarse harness
coarse harness
Cause you are veteran🤔
fiery flame
All veterans have the play role
coarse harness
I just found four others without it, but who cares btw😅
brazen veldt
How did u get veteran?
fiery flame
@coarse harness shhhhh, don’t expose me 😂
coarse harness
I think veterans fought in professional tournaments or something like this
red condor
Wouldn’t it make more sense to have it count on the time the account was made? Hence “veteran”
fiery flame
It shouldnt matter when the account was created, veteran implies experience, it’s about how much you have been playing not how long
coarse harness
I have 23,5K battles so if i reach 25K i'll be a VETERAN ?🤤
fiery flame
Well if your wr in above 50% then yes
red condor
So what your saying means that since I joined back in 2014 and have 10k battles, I’m not experienced enough to have some role that gives me nothing to the server?
fiery flame
Basically... yes
coarse harness
Lol
white vessel
Lol too bad i have only 15k battles
lone obsidian
59350 battles wr just below 50 percent therefore no vet status for me
oh well onwards and upwards
unique scaffold
@lone obsidian. What is your 30 day?
lone obsidian
58 percent atm
unique scaffold
Keep at it. It'll take some time with that battlecount but you should be able to break 50% 👍
lone obsidian
thanks mate ill try
smoky yoke
It's quiet here time to liven things up: fv 183 needs a buff 😛 and Is-4 needs more armor 👌 😋
smoky yoke
Na Kv2 needs 0.2 aim time 😛 , and an increase on module damage
red condor
Kv2 needs no reloading time. Just shoot whenever you feel like it!
smoky yoke
That;s more like it
jovial kernel
give it 0 dispersion and 9999999 shell velocity too
lone obsidian
👍
smoky yoke
Make us win 400 gold every time we single shot a tank
lone obsidian
closest u get there is a reaper award no gold
smoky yoke
How about every time someone calls you a cheater in personal messages?
lone obsidian
ah the old hacker troll comment
smoky yoke
Gotta balance out thata hate
lunar niche
8/8 gun arc along with the slowest traverse of all tier X with terrible dispersion on hull rotation. All that to roll a sub 680-780 dmg 7/10.
Jagdtiger is more reliable with 10/10 gun arc and -8 gun depression.
cobalt dagger
Vindi need buff
jovial kernel
I would legit play the Jg E 100 if it had more gun arc and gun depression but with the Jagtiger gun
lunar niche
I want that 128mm L/61 on all german heavies lol
jovial kernel
would probably absolutely be op tho
Imagine Maus just completely shredding an enemy lol
coarse harness
Khmmm...like on PC ?
jovial kernel
nah just imagine the Jagtiger gun on the Maus lol
smoky yoke
Pc doesn't have armor layout and a little better with the armor layout where you can shot the machine gun on the tank and you can't pen in blitz ,it's completely red
coarse harness
You talk about the Maus, or the JG Tiger ?
jovial kernel
nah we're talking about how broken it'd be if the Jagtiger gun was on the Maus
unique scaffold
great MM
blazing sierra
Is it just me or does some tanks in the e100 line need a buff? Like the Tiger 2 for example.
worn sierra
they are very squishy tanks
lunar niche
They are superheavies, not heavies.
red condor
In my opinion, very heavy tank should have weak guns. Example, kv5. But the kv5 does not have the best of armor and is no match for a vk100
jovial kernel
The KV-5 is mobile that's why it has good armor but a bad gun
median gust
.....
jovial kernel
Giving it a good gun would be as moronic as buffing the VK 100.01 to go 30 kph
Similarly, nerfing the VK 100.01 gun would be as stupid as nerfing KV-5 mobility so it could only go 25
unique scaffold
If only there were a pinned message that said this thread wasn't about matchmaking... If only.
slim rivet
@fiery flame good to know. I have 40k battles. I can be a veterannnnnnnn
jovial kernel
@unique scaffold to be fair, at least he wasn't whining that MM didn't give him a team that carried him
unique scaffold
Super heavy players and light players need more credit other than xp for there stats
Like my bc getting 2k assist but all u get is more xp or maus bouncing etc
Btw which T10 heavy not including T57 or 50 B
winged barn
My clanmate... learn to english. @unique scaffold
jade cargoBOT
Warning logged for MobyOneKenoby#9819. They were not warned.
tribal summit
@blazing sierra IMO tanks in E100 line do not need any buff
And nobody cares about this discuss. Just talk for talk
quick lichen
You’d think that until you try angling against 374mm heat
burnt venture
VKA should probably get buff to mobility. But it is still balanced RN
jovial kernel
hmm I would love ramming mediums in it if it were faster
rain ivy
Heat doesn't care about effective armor?
jovial kernel
what yeah it does
rain ivy
Honestly, out of all the ammo types, I can't figure out heat
jovial kernel
it has an autobounce angle of 80 degrees rather than 70 degrees like all AP shells, but it has no normalization and has severely hampered penetration against spaced armor.
iron lynx
If HEAT hits a track, does it gets negated completely or is it able to continue travelling to pen the hull?
jovial kernel
I'm pretty sure if the armor behind is weak enough there's still a chance to pen
but don't quote me on that
unique scaffold
VK72P needs gun rof buff by like a tiny bit and it just seems like nobody likes the tank
deft owl
@iron lynx Heat continue after hitting a spaced armor. You can easily see an example by shooting heat rounds to ru251 tracks.
unique scaffold
It seems to depend on the thickness of spaced armor
buff the tiger 2 and kv4, both are underpowered
main tulip
Yeah I agree
blazing sierra
The only reason I asked this cause of all the battle I've done with the tiger 2 it seems that no amount of angling can help. Some tier 6 tanks are able to penetrate it frontally.
winged barn
Some tier 6 tanks can pen a vk100 frontally
jovial kernel
Nashy Nash
winged barn
Garbage Can
twilit crystal
Its just the arl and nash. Even then not reliably
jovial kernel
both ARLs
winged barn
The garbage can can pen it with AP. Load apcr and you can pen away
iron lynx
I think it is also possible with the SU100
And the Y version
jovial kernel
ye
winged barn
I wouldn't really mind if the tiger 2 was rebalanced to tier 7. Turn it into a proper heavy tank
iron lynx
The Churchill VII would mind
jovial kernel
that would either be overpowered or absolute garbage
winged barn
Basically a nameless
rancid flame
All the Tiger II really needs is a turret buff. Like 5-10 mm of side turret armor and it would be great
coarse harness
185 mm on the front is not that fantastic as well
Only the mantlet can bounce shots from heavys and TDs
spare peak
You guys made this fv183 USLESS !
Minimum 2-3 bounce per game
90% of HES with 250-400 av demage
No speed
No armor
No direction......
USLESS !!!
shy wren
...yawn...
iron lynx
I think the first two are actually your fault.
spare peak
@iron lynx
Really?
iron lynx
Nobody nerfed the 183's penetration or alpha.
spare peak
And when you hit with HES back of B-C ,Leo,Amx,T62
And only 3-400
Couple of times in a row.....
shy wren
That’s just RNG.
spare peak
I dont really think is my foult.
I got 15000 games on 183....not the best for sure bat not a nob as well !
And RNG is happens on all games now?......its smell ....bad :)
shy wren
How do you usually play this tank?
spare peak
In my last 100 battles with 183 after nerf I did only 1 time 5000 Dmg....and average is 1800 :) before was 2900 . What a big diference.
Usually sniping . Now they made it like only way to play is super CAMP !
And honeatley 1 vs 1 with tier 9 or 10 you have no chance now zero.
You got spoteted before everyone...e.t.c
Try to play couple of games and you'll see what Im tallk about
shy wren
That’s not how the tank is intended to play.
You’re just playing a broken tank for far too long. It recently got an accuracy and camo nerf to prevent camping, as it just has too good camo for its size. It’s accuracy was nerfed so that it’s not reliable long range, making it more useful second line support.
jovial kernel
Have you considered shotgunning with it? I've seen a 183 get a good 5k a few days ago shotgunning on rockfield.
shy wren
In fact, the Death Star had much better camo than the Grille 15, which was really stupid
spare peak
Like I sayed Im definetly not the best but I got over 15000 battles only with deathstar.....it become useless
I tryed second and even first line.....trust me is USELESS!
jovial kernel
Have you considered playing a tank that doesn't encourage the entire enemy team to camp?
spare peak
Ill sell it and say good by to him
Grill become now the monster the one
jovial kernel
lol good, the only 183s I'll be seeing are ones that have adapted to the nerfs
(or just suck)
spare peak
@jovial kernel
I play all tipe of tanks like I sayed not the best ....not the whorst
jovial kernel
No tank has the ability to lock down an enemy team like the 183 used to. There's a reason it got nerfed, you know.
spare peak
SouldI mention all my skill level are 7...maximum? :)))
jovial kernel
Have I mentioned that the 183 deserved a nerf?
shy wren
Yeah... doesn’t really matter what crew skill level you are. It’s all about how you adapt to changes in tanks, whether it’ll be buffs or nerfs
jovial kernel
Maybe don't get used to tanks that hold the ability to lock down entire teams single handedly. Those kinds of tanks shouldn't exist.
spare peak
Maybe I dont get it but is not a tank of tier 10 ? It become now with still the most powerfull gun/alpha in all tanks but average demage (if you check statistics now ) under tier 8
@jovial kernel
After your opinion wich kinda tanks sould be...only tanks like leo,obj,amx???
visual nimbus
183 got what it deserved
jovial kernel
@spare peak tanks that don't have over 1000 alpha with 242mm pen
iron lynx
Well, I think the problem lies in your ability to adapt to a nerfed vehicle. @spare peak
shy wren
Looking at stats pre-nerf, it had the lowest WR, but the highest DPB, which offsets the score by a huge margin. It’s seriously broken
spare peak
@iron lynxfor sure it is
Like I sayed Im not the best
jovial kernel
I've seen a rise in 183s trying our their hands shotgunning people, though it's worked out for some better than others.
slim rivet
I Ve counting the number of 183 I encountered in 10 games :
jovial kernel
thankfully it's rather low
slim rivet
Exactly 10. 1 game without 183, 1 with 2, 8 with 1... we shouldn’t play the same game (for those who say 183 has disappeared)
iron lynx
Well then your initial point of saying the 183 is useless is invalid @spare peak
jovial kernel
The 183 has vanished in that you no longer need to live in fear of poking the very corner of your tank and getting instantly obliterated by a 2 tap 183 platoon though, thankfully.
slim rivet
(And 1 of those was sneaky, he could have shoot 2 of my team closing to him, but no, let’s focus loca, with an impossible shot)
spare peak
They nerf it only cose 90% of players they camp whit it in one place .
After nerf they made you play only super camp with 183.
Don't juge me guys Im only saing my opinion is a tank wich for tier ten in front of all tanks is now useless
jovial kernel
Though thankfully I've only been deleted like that once.
iron lynx
I'd like to have an 183 actually
jovial kernel
@spare peak lol they nerfed it because everyone camped, now I see people try to use it as a shotgun
spare peak
@slim rivet
I was not that one :)
@iron lynx
So tallk about it with an honest opinion after your 100 battles with 183.
Thanks
slim rivet
2 kind of peeps still use 183. Really good players trying to find a way to play it and bots who probably don’t even know it has been nerfed. And still camping to death
jovial kernel
Only about I'd say 60% of the 183s I see are actually camping, down from the basically 90% it used to be.
shy wren
At least they’re being more proactive and can help provide support in a much more direct manner
slim rivet
I don’t have the same feeling. Unfortunately
spare peak
@slim rivet
Good jugedment
slim rivet
Thx 😂
jovial kernel
I prefer this over running the risk of getting 0 damage after making a tiny mistake
iron lynx
From what I see in recent tier X battles, FV183s usually follow heavies and battle in the second line
less threat to mediums than a camping FV
slim rivet
Let’s be subtle and delete the whole fekin line 🤞👌
iron lynx
Or let's add another 183mm vehicle
jovial kernel
nice meme
slim rivet
Please god, no, just no
iron lynx
The FV4005 Stage II with 10 degrees of gun depression and 180 degrees of turret traverse.
slim rivet
600 damages per shot (excluding HE) should be a maximum
iron lynx
I think if the FV183 does gets removed, the next tank on the complaint list would be the Jageru
west torrent
The 183 is frustrating because it could out spot bat chats and mediums. It had great traverse with the turret, and somewhat trolling armor
slim rivet
Jag players camp less (cause heavy armor) and don’t do 1650 (well, high roll) with HESH
spare peak
I wanna see player tallking after this fv4005 will be included in game....you all gonna miss fb183.
Trust me on this :)))))
slim rivet
Sure thing. So let’s cross fingers it is not implanted
iron lynx
Well, the FV4005 has 14mm of turret armor, which is vulnerable to tier 1 HE shells
jovial kernel
@west torrent also a spot of bad luck combined with a minor misplay could get you instantly killed if there's an enemy 183 platoon. That's where a lot of the fear factor from the tank comes from.
iron lynx
Actually, keep the old FV183 and ditch the HESH
Done
coarse harness
The tank has absolutely trash dpm without HESH
west torrent
If you got rid of the HESH the 183 would lose its uniqueness though. That’s really why the 183 is hard to balance.
Sure you could do a lot of nerds to it, but you need to make it different than other TDs
If it only did 800 with an AP round, had APCR with less alpha, and a regular HESH with less pen as it’s HE...why play it when you could play the grille? It’s basically a better tank now
jovial kernel
Because having the highest AP alpha in the game isn't enough to make it unique...
rancid flame
I would’ve rather they’d gotten rid of Pramo HESH, give it normal HESH with the 120mm of pen and then either not touch the gun, or even buff the gun stats a little bit if they nerfed the alpha some
iron lynx
Or buff AP alpha to 1k
jovial kernel
I'd rather it just get replaced by the Badger
iron lynx
But we need a one-shot-wonder tank
jovial kernel
Every tank's a one shot wonder when you get lucky shooting an IS-7 :^)
iron lynx
Lucky
Hard to rely on tbh
empty charm
U know the Video from Bushka? If you have problems with the 183, then you drive it wrong. I think he's right. https://youtu.be/6UunoB6n6SA
formal forge
Waw e25 is an exelent tank but i kept gt long waiting time and also bad teams
slim rivet
It’s time to speak about centurion guys.
dapper shadow
@slim rivet Which one?
dapper shadow
Great beans think alike 👀 :
lone warren
Cent I probably
rancid flame
What about the Cent 1?
iron lynx
Centurion 1 is OP pls gib 37mm gun
rancid flame
Lol
slim rivet
@dapper shadow @late tiger the brit med tier 8
dapper shadow
Ah. I expected the 7/1, but a'ight.
rancid flame
What about the Cent 1? What’s wrong with it?
slim rivet
Everything?
For 4 kmh + it lost pretty much everything compared to caern (which is already hard to play)
rancid flame
I love the Cent, but yeah, it is a bit of a tough sell next to the Caernarvon. Really, it’s good as is, but I wouldn’t say no to a dpm buff
unique scaffold
dat red team tho... T49, 2 Draculas and a Type 62
"Balance"
they had the 'better' premiums and even more winrate, just shows that having the hill on middleburg is usually the better position
Having the IS-7 usually is the better position
dim field
unique scaffold
Yeee boi
iron lynx
Wow
That's a lot of damage
unique scaffold
Phil Swift would be proud
unique scaffold
Not quite
But, the E-100, Leo PTA and 50-120 were all brain dead in the 1v3, E-100 bounced the kill shot 3 or 4 times
slim rivet
Well done. Guess ur team was retarded also?
slim rivet
40000 games and still running after a game like this. Max damages I did was 7500 or around
unique scaffold
9,174 is my highest ever, my closet to that was a 8,000 game in my Jagaroo
slim rivet
EU serveur?
unique scaffold
Yeah that IS-7 game was once in a million, never again will I get that lucky, and nah my dude I’m on NA, but live in Australia
dim field
My highest is only 4500
unique scaffold
4,5k is still pretty good, not many players will even do 3k in there game life time
coarse harness
My best dmg is 7912 in mad games, but 7850 in regular battles
I can't break trough 8K😠
dim field
You'll hit it eventually
unique scaffold
Hey mate, there’s probably about only 1% or less of players who can get over 8k
Highest in this tank as well
coarse harness
Both replays are on youtube, the regular one could be a win and get over 8K if the HESH go trough...
coarse harness
It's on MMGs channel
Type my name correctly and you'll find them
unique scaffold
Dam, your replays are everywhere in MMG
coarse harness
Just a few
quick remnant
@unique scaffold ohh which part of Australia?
unique scaffold
Werribee in Victoria, in Tarneit
quick remnant
@unique scaffold Nvr heard of that place bfore
unique scaffold
It’s a small like estate outside of Melbourne
Well not really small but it’s there
coarse harness
I wondering where are more noobs ?
On EU, or on NA ?😅
unique scaffold
NA
iron lynx
Asia maybe
jovial kernel
NA and Asia have the worst teams of all servers
It's a race to the bottom, honestly
coarse harness
My friend tried NA and he said that's much better
Maybe that was just a good period for him🤔
iron lynx
You get bad opponents maybe
jovial kernel
repost
unique scaffold
This got me kicked from the Other Wot Server, and this is also my meme
iron lynx
What
How does a meme got you fired
slim rivet
Where is my veteran role lol
unique scaffold
Upset the PRAMO guys
iron lynx
"Twister jokes"
Lmao legit reason
unique scaffold
Twister Jokes, and the Sturer Emil is a beautiful tank, I loved it
late tiger
@unique scaffold was that your first warn/mute ever?
late tiger
In total I have gotten 17 warn/mutes
robust coyote
lmao thats just bias at its finiest
the moderators cant even moderate themselves
lol pramo
more like premium ammo spammers
iron lynx
Aye good taste in TDs @unique scaffold
robust coyote
and if pramo's mods do this then what does pramo look like?
the FV4005?
unique scaffold
But after twister they split and made a new clan called RGN or REIGN
robust coyote
lmao two FV4005s on the battle field
look at FV4005's nickname
iron lynx
If the FV4005 is added, it would be less hard to balance than the 183 since it can be HE easily
robust coyote
now theres H4TED
literally got out played by a cdc in a cysler k
bounced the cdc like 5 times and got flanked to death
another FV4005
unique scaffold
I’m in the HATED Family, I’m a CURSD member, we aren’t associated with H4TED
robust coyote
thats very nice to hear
i could make a compilation of youtubers and top clans outplayed by a 51% 900 avg dmg
unique scaffold
All it takes is a bit of luck and boom, a 51%er can kill a Unicum
robust coyote
nah they dont even know how to respond to flanks
fame dosnt mean FV4005
jovial kernel
I want the line to the 4005 but don't actually want the 4005 :p
unique scaffold
But any of you guys excited to watch the Challenge the Stars tournament?
Also what is this FV4005 you keep saying? Like I know what it is but by keep mentioning it? Is it a like thing you EU players say?
ivory fractal
@unique scaffold you can’t discuss moderator actions here.
robust coyote
oh theres going to be that one mod whos like oh user definitely not a noob you cant talk #$%^ about them top clans imma mute you just because i can
oh im not talking about mod actions im just predicting what mods will do
bans people for swearing on a T rated server
comon what kind of a joke is that?
50 seconds later gets muted
ivory fractal
That was 2 months ago why bring it up now?
Anyway that’s the conversation over go pm
unique scaffold
Conversation brought it up, I put the meme up that got me banned and I thought it was a good thing to add to the conversation
slim rivet
Are u speaking to dino bot @unique scaffold lmao
unique scaffold
Nah I just said “Lol Salty kids”
slim rivet
Hey @ivory fractal fun to see u on game yesterday
robust coyote
over 2000 people have been muted in the first 2 months of this server
something to think about
around 50% was form swearing
comon no swearing in a T rated server?
@#$% why?
to make the underage kids who are on this server feel good?
oh and there is underage kids in he server
yall know it but cant adress it so just ban swearing
i see how it goes
unique scaffold
Lol
robust coyote
yep thats literally every server that bans swearing in a T or higher rated game
unique scaffold
It’s 13+, if 13 year olds and older are getting offended over a swear word, should not be allowed to own a electronic device
robust coyote
if 40 year olds are getting offended over a swear word they should reconsider even using the internet
unique scaffold
But I’m an Aussie, so swearing is my second language, so so true
I don’t know who needs to see this but here
jovial kernel
I don't even care about career stats at this point, I look at 30 day
unique scaffold
Same
dim field
I laugh and cry at same time.
Relevant to current convo. Looked up current 30 day wr. And found this little tab
shy wren
F. It’s just that it’s impossible to improve your WR if the target WR is higher than your 30 day WR.
dim field
Rip, no 75% wr for me then
coarse harness
Give the order ?unicum to the wotbot, and it'll reveal the truth
jade cargoBOT
Spartan617#8566 was muted
torpid tiger
Rip
slim rivet
Why do I always miss the good drama @torpid tiger ?
torpid tiger
Missed it too xD
balmy cipher
T34-85 should have 60 front armor
quick lichen
@coral echo swearing was deleted
balmy cipher
The front hull was protected by 60 mm (2.36 in) armor, sloped at a 30° angle, giving an effective frontal thickness of 90 mm (3.54 in), while the sides had 45 mm (1.77 in) at 90°, and the rear 45 mm (1.77 in) at 45°. The turret face and mantlet were 90 mm (3.54 in) thick, with 75 mm (2.95 in) sides and 52 mm (2.04 in) at the rear. found here http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/soviet_T34-85.php @lean forge @charred comet @snow rock @still ivy @unique scaffold
quick lichen
@balmy cipher that’s not an an official wg employee
balmy cipher
*EDITED
coarse harness
Wow, the VK 100 is one of the best noob destrolyers
jovial kernel
Good to know it completely wrecks 90% of players
blazing sierra
Rip Spartan
coarse harness
@jovial kernel well i have almost 90% WR on it from more than 30 battles so maybe you're right
jovial kernel
lol
dusky oxide
Do you think it was the new equipment system that made heavies so powerful compared to meds?
jovial kernel
partially
median gust
Not really
dusky oxide
I consider the optics, track hp and traverse equipment too powerful for heavies.
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide. Yes
Mediums took a nasty DPM hit with the equipment changes. They lost vents and their rammer was nerfed. Add to this the recent Pramo Nerf.
Meanwhile heavies get improved armor, mobility, and optics.
Seems fair 😕
@unique scaffold obv. Someone has to stay at the back to camp
fiery flame
Mediums were OP
jovial kernel
WG should have seeked to find a balance tho
fiery flame
It’s pretty balanced now
jovial kernel
I think I prefer the balance in tier 9
fiery flame
Tier 9 is very well balanced I agree, only 2 tanks which I dislike are the tortoise and t95
dusky oxide
When they nerfed medium pen, they should've also rebalanced some of thr heavies side armor and not provide an equipment that makes tracking them harder.
@fiery flame i agree @jovial kernel
jovial kernel
yeah currently tracking a heavy involves shooting them twice, having them fix it, shooting them twice again, having them fix it again, then finally shooting the track twice for a third time so it stays tracked
fiery flame
@dusky oxide the reason why they nerfed medium pen was because mediums could pen the front of heavies super easy, especially with gold, kinda made the whole “super heavy” role a bit meaningless
dusky oxide
@fiery flame yes, so why should a heavy also have excellent side armor if the med pen was nerfed so heavily that running calibrated shells becomes a must to still maintain reliability. Nerfing side and especially rear armor would also encourage to flank.
jovial kernel
tracking heavies just takes way too long for something that you absolutely need to do to circle successfully
fiery flame
Hmmm I don’t really know about that, when I play the t54 with its measly 201mm of pen I can still go through the sides of a E100 reliably
Same with the IS7 and IS4
dusky oxide
E100 has those nasty sideskirts. But fortunately most e100 players dont know they need to angle the turret.
Is-x rear and side armor is a different storym
fiery flame
Maus is the only heavy you can’t reliably pen in tier 9 mediums, everything seems fine to me
dusky oxide
^ im fine with that.
jovial kernel
my friend had their flat IS-3's sides block a BL-10 once lol
fiery flame
Probably hit the tracks and not the actual tank
dusky oxide
I feel like heavies are too easy to use and should get a penalty to having good defences at short range. Heavies shouldn't be as effective at medium-long range as they are now. I agree with spock, the view range should be lower than it is now.
fiery flame
Well the guns on the heavies which have a lot of armour are really inaccurate at those ranges, heavies which have good guns tend to have bad armour, that’s how WG balances it
dusky oxide
I wouldnt call the is7 gun inaccurate for how much armor it has.
And an e100 firing HE doesnt even need to be accurate if youre battling it in a low hp tank.
fiery flame
The IS7 gun has arguably the worst gun handling in all of tier 10
I just checked, the only thing worse than the is7 is the 183
dusky oxide
@fiery flame Fr? I remember it as accurate enough even at 300-400m. I might have to go back and play it.
fiery flame
Trust me, it’s my most played tank, I know how bad the gun is 😉
@dusky oxide
dusky oxide
@fiery flame i see. I guess youre right about that. But i dont understand how you can like the su-100y that much. I hated it and sold it after noy many battles
unique scaffold
Prammo on SU-100Y is fun. 530 dmg and ~170mm pen
proven helm
175* plus the 196mm standard pen the gun has
unique scaffold
Yes by this thing ~ I meant approximately
dusky oxide
I just hate the size.
The gun is beautiful, the tank... less. But to each their own.
fiery flame
That was my first ever premium tank, bought it back in 2014, it’s what started this whole spending spree 😂
proven helm
Size can be problematic but its worth the 130mm gun to be Stalin's shoebox lol
Now the isu 122s is another story, why be bulky when u could be the su 122-44 and be smaller.
iron lynx
SU100Y is borderline godlike
All its modules are tier VIIIs
fiery flame
Speaking of the su122-44 I think that it really needs a buff
unique scaffold
ISU-122S fires faster
SU-122-44 has maybe low pen, but I love this tank
proven helm
No the pen for both is identical, shell velocity as well
unique scaffold
I know, I said the pen was low, not lower than on ISU
proven helm
Well its slope design does give it some bonuses tho. And if u take a ridge it really helps.
Not to mention that its like a tier 8.75 at tier 7.
fiery flame
Are we talking about the SU-122-44 because I personally think that it’s garbage
unique scaffold
Not really, I’d say that it’s a good tier 7. Just the Helsing and OP garbage ruined tier 7 balance.
dusky oxide
So su-100y is stalins shoebox and obj263 is his flip-flop :D i see
fiery flame
Well I think there are only 2 truly OP premiums at tier 7 (drac and Helsing) the rest are balanced
unique scaffold
Type 62 is broken IMHO
proven helm
Not when su152 says hello
fiery flame
But it takes a lot of skill to play, before the prem ammo nerf it was OP yes
proven helm
Then again i am the person who would rather play the bl9s on the isu152 then the 152mm lol
unique scaffold
Drac takes skill to use, still OP.
Type 62 is basically a light tank, but you give it more HP, borderline OP fire rate and broken HEAT pen. It power creeps all tier 7 lights
unique scaffold
Lupus has bacon on the top of the gun - Bushka, 2019
proven helm
I would say not really because pen is a major problem for the rudy
fiery flame
Sshhhh @dusky oxide
dusky oxide
@fiery flame :DDD and an otsu... Filthy
fiery flame
Rudy is just a essentially a reskin of the t43 with some minor diffidences
dusky oxide
But the t-34-85 victory is op?
unique scaffold
Nope, meh Mobility and pen is also a problem
fiery flame
Well that’s basically a copy of the t-34-85 only difference is gun
unique scaffold
The wr thing should get balanced I guess
late tiger
@fiery flame you are dirty with that ke ni otsu
fiery flame
I feel guilty playing it now, after WG destroyed the lower tiers
late tiger
nice you got the veteran role finally @fiery flame
feral ermine
Lower tiers are good
unique scaffold
Low tiers are death
prisma zinc
I'm with you. All tanks on t1 till t5 are sh*t....
It's a fact. Leopard (tier 5) isn't funny anymore...
That's only one of very much tanks
unique scaffold
Don't play low tiers 🤷♂️
Low tiers are gone. WG wanted to make players move to higher tiers
Tier 5 now is for sealclubbing,you start to have fun from tier 6...i dont so dont worry about me...
prisma zinc
Yes, you're right....
But I liked my little su 85b and now it is trash..
Hetzter too and leopard or t82 are trash
unique scaffold
Yep...sometimes i play t25 to platoon...but i play tier 6/7/8...rathing 9/10
prisma zinc
You mean that skoda?
unique scaffold
Yes now after the nerf is quite good
prisma zinc
I've got it today in an big chest lol, but I don't like it. But I don't sell tanks
unique scaffold
Also t14 now worth..use t25 to snipe and relocate after that...not bad..
prisma zinc
You can play that thing? I can't....
But t14 isn't good un my eyes.
unique scaffold
90% of time in plat.....after nerf t14 is not to bad....i used it on my rerol and its not bad..
proven helm
I would rather use the pz 5/4 then the skoda because i play the panther so i know the angles for the hull more so then the skoda.
unique scaffold
I tryed it but is not for me....😉
dreamy oak
Pls bring back Lost Temple for Tier 10. Maybe remove Mines instead for it. Also I think the Cent/71 and FV4202 should get better mobility. Especially the cent. 40kmh is just a joke for a medium. IS7 can go 50... Same like the fv4202. Would be nice to see some speedbuffs.
coarse harness
The FVs mobility is perfectly fine
It has exellent accerelation, treverse speed and terrain resistance.
The Cent as well, but it it could use about +5 km/h top speed
slim rivet
Why not for lost temple? Slightly reworked it could be nice 👍 @dreamy oak
lone warren
Fv4202 doesnt need a mobility buff. Imo the turret just needs some tweaking to make it slightly more trollish so it isnt just a paper turret then it would be more competitive at tier ten
(Didnt realise i was in wrong channel lmao)
coral echo
^
quick lichen
The fv4202 needs to get a moonstone and evolve into a cent action x
empty ice
@sharp wind why?
dusky oxide
Yeah why? I'd rather have shell velocity that a little more normalization.
rancid flame
I’m personally a fan of Normalization. It allows you to better deal with IS tanks and other types of tanks with angled trolly armor
jovial kernel
put the obj 140 ammo selection on the T-62A
cyan steeple
Hello!
tribal summit
Why we discuss here?
shy wren
Difference of normalization between the two tanks
Despite the Obj 140 has slightly less pen than the T-62A, it’s AP shells can allow it to pen things more reliably, due to the higher normalization angle
And this is HEAT from the Type 62, which doesn’t have any form of normalization.
Note, all the tanks don’t use calibrated shells
halcyon orchid
Can we please buff the VK 100 heath only a 20 hp step up from tiger p
iron lynx
It already has insane armor
It doesn't need another survivability buff
shy wren
The picture above is proof of how tough the tank is.
median gust
tank man sam do you even have the tank lol
shy wren
If angled properly, it’s hard to pen
iron lynx
Well if he had played tier 8 and actually faced against that tank, he might actually think it needs nerfing
shy wren
True that. Even tier IXs have a tough time dealing with a good Vk 100.01 P driver
median gust
Ikr, like WT AP doesnt pen when angled right
wintry pendant
Fix my t82 pls I want the derp cannon back it wasn't op u had to be skillful now the tank sucks
jovial kernel
Playing tier 3 against brand new players never took skill.
iron lynx
Yes pls fix T82
Gib 15cm gun becos I cannot one shot Matilda
tidal cosmos
Whoa t82 with a 150 mm? Lol u mean 10.5 cm
Also no pls I would like to not die the second I play the marder 2
jovial kernel
No with a 150cm
iron lynx
Yea gib 240mm howitzer to T82 because I cannot blow up whole map
halcyon orchid
?
jovial kernel
240km howitzer @iron lynx
unique scaffold
@lusty silo there is one problem with the chi-he /m5a1 the turret and gun cost more exp than the tank and for new players that will be hard to grind through but I did grind through that with a 32%wr I'm so embarrassed
zenith sand
Or the engine for chi-ha cost same than the type M5A1
slim rivet
@lusty silo hey man, thank you for the data. Truly interesting
I m surprised by some results, e4 and t57 so low / foch (also named the aim aim aim miss tank) so high
undone harbor
@lusty silo will you nerf Vk100 and Mauschen and maybe buff IS-6??
lusty silo
@undone harbor we'll see what will happen with Germans in near future when their amount grows.
IS-6 is decent among other tier 8 HTs.
coarse harness
Lol the T-34-2 was bad on the 5.4 charts aaand it's still bad😮
iron hearth
Vk 100p is not op in my opinion is fine people just need to learn how to aim
coarse harness
^^^
undone harbor
@iron hearth lol, find 3-4 of them in tournaments in the enemy team and then we talk again. Has 2 week points, the cupola and the lower plate, but if he is sidescrapping on the right side and you can’t see both of them you can just use gold and hope to pen the turret. This is OP in my opinion
coarse harness
It has the worst DPM in T8, awful gun handling and slow as hell.
The only good thing in that tank is the armor and it's the only thing you complaining about as well🤔
visual nimbus
Gun is fairly accurate imo.
dreamy oak
Pls bring back Lost Temple for Tier 10. Maybe remove Mines instead for it. Also I think the Cent/71 should get better mobility 40kmh is just a joke for a medium. IS7 can go 50
slim rivet
Wut
coarse harness
The cent 1 is even worse than the 7/1
I mean the 7/1 is decent, but the cent 1 is meh
spring pelican
@lusty silo where is wz 120 1 FT and that t8 premium AMX?
damn look at the charts, german tanks seem to have best stats
empty ice
183 still top on damage
VK and mauschen need a nerf, tier x autoloaders need a buff, type 61 still needs a buff
spring pelican
E3, 263 and foch need nerf
slim rivet
No, 183 is bottom on damages @empty ice why, they are not above best meds and heavies in term of damages @spring pelican
delicate mountain
slim rivet
I don’t have vk100 but it reminds me of 183, Not an op tank per se, but something annoying when it deals 500+ damages per shot and bounces a lot
dusky oxide
@delicate mountain These graphs only include players with wr 55-56%. The other tanks are played by good players as well. What youre saying doesnt justify that big of a delta.