What’s the point of RoF when you can’t pen
#tank-balance-discussion
unique scaffold
fringe briar
You keep mentioning the pen but if you use the tank the pen is a non issue.
You’re relying on stats on paper without actually knowing if the pen is an issue.
jovial kernel
yeah lol how would you be playing mediums
unique scaffold
2.2k isnt really decent but I dont wanna get into stats I don't own the tank, only tier x td I have is 268
I’m not saying you can’t pen anything. I’m saying you’re going to bounce shots, which means 0 dmg this is like getting worse RoF
Meds can flank btw
fringe briar
What do you consider decent @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
I've played grille, pen isnt an issue when you havheat
lone warren
Anything above 2k average damage in a tier ten is decent in my books. Be grateful if you get any teammates that can do that lmao
unique scaffold
HEAT lowers your dmg though
The only thing I said is that it wasn’t good being spotted by just breathing when you’re paper
fringe briar
you’re not really taking adv of DPM in a grille
unique scaffold
I mean personally I think tds every opportunity to do over 3k and yeah ok heat lowers ur damage for everything but would u rather do 500 or 0 damage
fringe briar
if your avg dmg in a tier X is 3k in a tank ur way above the avg and therefore above “decent” that’s really good territory
unique scaffold
I’m talking about its camo
lone warren
Expectations can differ across servers i guess
unique scaffold
Ru animals getting 4k average
fringe briar
I doubt the avg dmg in Europe at tier X is anything close to 3k
lone warren
No. A lot of players struggle to even do 2k
unique scaffold
I'm on na
@sharp wind lol. Stat shaming attempt. Can’t we just discuss without getting salty ?
Stats aren’t even bad btw
jovial kernel
those aren't even bad stats lol
fringe briar
Avg dmg in grille is 1895, I think if you’re doing 2200 that’s at least decent
unique scaffold
I don’t own a Grille guys
lone warren
In eu definitely. But if im 100% honest i’d be expecting more in a tier ten td but thats just me
jovial kernel
That's not struggling, that's getting it a good half the time
unique scaffold
@lone warren same,especially in tds
Irrelevant. I’m talking about Grille camo. Being spotted so easily isn’t fair or logic for a paper (and not even big) tank
The tank also had 60 kph speed and 100 degrees rotatable turret which allowed it to just circle heavies and other TDs
lone warren
Maybe increase the hp?
unique scaffold
HP doesn’t makes a big difference IMO. If you still get spotted that easily more HP won’t help much
Camo wasnt why it was OP lmfao it was OP because it had medium tank maneuverability with a 150mm
Not only did they nerf the maneuverability to the ground they also made the camo equivalent to a heavy tank which was overkill tbh
^
coarse harness
The grille is one of my favorite T10 tanks, and i haven't played before the nerf🤷🏻♂️
unique scaffold
SP 1 C is my favorite tank, it doesn’t change the fact that it has been overnerfed
lunar niche
Traverse is pathetic and camo is bad for a td with no armour. Pen is not an issue.
Feels like a downgrade from tier 9 Waffle tbh.
stone arch
SPIC IMO is just fine if you know how to use it. From what I see in battles it hasn't been overnerffed
lone warren
Maybe. But it needs some love
coarse harness
With that accuarcy the pen is more than enough
atomic hound
@fringe briar decent damage in a tier ten is 2700+, excellent damage is 3k+.
fringe briar
The word decent is analogous to average. The average in a tier X is no where near 2700 avg dmg. Your average in all of your tier Xs collectively is probably not even 2700. @atomic hound
lunar niche
@fringe briar He is a unicum. Has high stats on his tier X.
white vessel
Overallstats dont tell anything
dim field
Stats are just numbers. Your actions affect your stats but your stats do not affect your actions. They can be used as a guide for how you've been doing overall, but they're easy to over value.
white vessel
But they are pretty much the only way to separate good and bad players
fringe briar
so what if he's a unicum, doesn't mean he has 2700 avg dmg collectively in tier x
and that's my point, if he's a unicum and doesn't have that, then 2700 is too high to be decent
white vessel
I dont recommend looking anyother stats than ur 90d tier 10 avg dmg
dim field
Depends on the stats. In game stuff like average winrate and average dmg can ne misleading.
Some might say 49% is bad, but if that person had a 30% a couple months ago and had 4000 battles. That increase is pretty good for 2 months. But stats wouldn't show that jump unless you went to a 3rd party site to see it.
white vessel
But it doesnt make the player good
And u cant really tell anything by looking at career stats
dim field
Um, it might. I want you to try boosting your wr up 19% in 2 months with 4k battles.
lunar niche
Good and bad players are all seperated by stats unless you get to play with that person. Seen unicums doing 0 dmg and 49% carrying the team. But we all just look at stats and assume what kind of players they are.
white vessel
Exactly
lone warren
@atomic hound I don’t know what server you are, but I wouldn’t consider 2700+ ‘decent’ in EU where a large amount of the playerbase can’t even scrape 2k+
dim field
What would your 60day wr be if you raised it from 4k battles 30% wr to get to 49% in 2months. How many battles would that even be. I honestly don't know
white vessel
Decent doesnt mean average
fringe briar
yes, it does
atomic hound
I'm EU. Most players suck. Even I have pretty terrible average damage in most of my tier tens, though this has risen significantly recently to where I consider good.
lone warren
I still think decent is a weak word for someone who can achieve 2700-3000. Thats just my view
fringe briar
if u can get 2700 avg dmg in a tank ur a very good player; i'd say 1800-2200 is decent
white vessel
Average is the playerbases dmg divided by the number of players. But saying something is decent its their own opinion
fringe briar
if u can get more than 3k avg dmg in a tank, ur probably in the top 1%, if not higher
white vessel
I consider 3k decent in X and 2700 pretty bad
fringe briar
so ur pretty bad? @white vessel becuse your avg dmg in, in your tier x tanks is 2648
white vessel
Yeah exactly
atomic hound
@fringe briar considering 1800 damage is 2 shots for a 183, I can tell you right now that you're wrong.
white vessel
@fringe briar im tqlking about 90d stats, because career stats are affected by learning/bad crews
I were 11years old when i started
fringe briar
i guess u have yet to achieve being decent
atomic hound
I sucked in tier ten till recently, but I'm still mostly playing tier 8. I was 13 when I started lol, back in 2014
white vessel
Ffs im not talking about the average player im talking about those who can play
atomic hound
I've dropped 200 wn8 recently too :(
fringe briar
you're at 2999 😂 , regardless, to say 2700k is decent when it's way above what the avg is, is frankly ridiculous, that might be what's expected in ur clan
white vessel
Idont think u should look at wn8 because it can be manipulated pretty easily
lone warren
^
atomic hound
@fringe briar when you eventually get as good as us, you'll look back on your play now, and 2200 average damage, and realise how much better you've gotten.
fringe briar
well yeah, but at that point ill think im a bad ass mofo
white vessel
When u stqrt considering urselfgood enough u stop learning
fringe briar
i use to think getting 2k avg dmg was too much, i reached that, next is 2300, i dont think 3k is attainable for me
atomic hound
To improve quickly, I suggest you master positional play and multiple target tracking, and focus on awareness 100% of the time. The number of players that I see notice a potential kill way too late, and miss it, drives me nuts.
lone warren
I screwed up my deathstar damage hard for quite a bit. What i get for choosing it as one of my first tier ten tanks
lunar niche
Some players have tunnel vision.
white vessel
Usually getting 1 or 2 early shots by ambushing bring ur avg dmg up
atomic hound
Getting rid of that is how you improve. Very, very important. It can be learnt. @lunar niche
lunar niche
Seen 1 guy having just that. Lost the battle when we could have easily won.
white vessel
@atomic hound pc/tablet/mobile?
atomic hound
We've all been in the position of a noob at some point, breaking out of that is helped by learning the stats of every tank in the game, learning the best map positions, learning how to call directions for the team, target priority, anticipation of enemy movements, multiple target tracking, awareness, and timing of retreats and pushes.
I play on my low-end phone.
white vessel
I have a huawei p smart runs with 40fps
atomic hound
Moto G5
crystal spoke
lol i was just typing for you
quick lichen
Not a smart move
Swearing and harassing a ch?
No no squares there buddy
You’re an alt anyways so
jade cargoBOT
WHERE IS THE TANK SAUCE#7041 was banned
quick lichen
Get balanced
crystal spoke
im sorry but thats the best thing youve typed in the last week
smoky yoke
mhhhmmm average for tier 10 is difficult to say 3k is basically superunicum status not the average. Average is more like low 2k in tier 10
unique scaffold
Based off of what I've seen lately I'd say average dmg at tier X is 1200 max.
smoky yoke
maybe that's true but I think most 50%ers do 1900 dmg
1400-1900 around there, 5 shots per battle
jovial kernel
Average at tier 10 I'd say is about 1500
But maybe I'm getting not bad teams
unique scaffold
I just looked at a few tier X tanks on Blitzstars. 1600 seemed about normal.
jovial kernel
Haha I was close!
smoky yoke
Only tanks so far I got close to 3k was stb-1 and fv 183, others are just 2.4k avg dmg, but that mainly me just playing a tank till it reaches 100% for tournaments , tier 10 not worth it if you don't have millions of credits , I think playing fv 183 for past few days without premium time , my credits went down from 6m to 4m credits , so I rather play tier 9 and below until a special comes out for premium time again
I don't even think tier 10s are worth playing in wot blitz , tier 8 is the hot spot till you unlock enough tanks that you want to play ,then play tier 10
That's if your a free to play player that is
twilit crystal
im averaging e50m buffed 3k and also the amx 50b. Came close in the m60. Its just insanely easy to get 3k in a death star however from what ik. Also t57 heavy is close
grave bear
i never spent a cent in this game and my mostly played tier is X, a bit less played is tier 8.
average damage in tier X IMO is at least 2k, equal to the average amount of hps of a tier X tank.
btw my avg dmg at tier 9 is 2350 or around so
tired sky
Why was the 183 nerfed?
smoky yoke
alot of people complained
quick lichen
Highest damage and lowest win rate
It promotes more active play now and at closer ranges
jovial kernel
If we really wanted to promote active play we'd want the Badger
smoky yoke
???? making camo worse encourages players to get closer >.> thanks removing my meme to what you said
quick lichen
I didn’t
smoky yoke
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/502017295107883008/515076766725963776/5.4_-_tier_10.png?width=667&height=382 Are they gonna nerf this tank E3 next since it does almost equal amount as fv 183 in dmg but with the best win-rate
jovial kernel
The E 50M is likely due for a nerf, but the 183 is more of a priority thanks to the effect it has on gameplay.
tired sky
Soooo we want it to not be a td then? If thats the case you should have at least given it some armor
jovial kernel
what?
lunar niche
He is probably talking about 183
tired sky
I am talking about the 183
jovial kernel
Did you just claim that a gun that can do 1300 damage on average if it gets a good shot on a medium tank is not a TD, or not intended to be one?
tired sky
It was said that it was nerfed to encourage more active gameplay...ie to discourage sniping...(increase dispersion, decrease camo) if that is what WG intended then they should have given it a armor buff.
jovial kernel
It can penetrate things just fine even with bad accuracy, it's got over 300mm of standard ammo pen for god's sakes
tired sky
Not talking pen..for its claim to fame (hesh) it has to hit what it is aiming at.
jovial kernel
HESH can punish mediums for existing same as always
tired sky
Yes but for it do to full damage the hesh must pen...and miss modules...that requires it to aim.
jovial kernel
Ok so it needs to hit anywhere on 90% of the front of an average medium tank?
tired sky
Go head and hit a 62 in the front and see if u get a full damage roll
jovial kernel
Well then lets see what the armor profile on a T-62A is like
smoky yoke
The longer the reload the better the penetration course if you bounce the shot you bring down your avg dmg from 3k to 2k avg dmg per minute
tired sky
Is it possible yes, but again you will have to miss the modules that eat up your HE damage. The increased dispersion increases the chance that you will not hit where u aim
jovial kernel
And would you look at that, you can hit basically anywhere on the hull of a T-62A and HESH will pen.
tired sky
So the hesh bypasses modules...
jovial kernel
And besides, if you don't feel like taking risks you can just shoot AP with the highest AP pen and highest AP alpha in the entire game
smoky yoke
which tank do you think have the second highest ap pen?
tired sky
Yes you can, but again you are forcing a td with no armor, a 19.9sec reload, to get up in the front. If that is what WG wants then give it some armor. That is all I am saying
jovial kernel
Maybe you should consider playing a tank that doesn't involve camping and removing half of someone's health with one shot
tired sky
No i like playing tds, how about u dont roll out in front of a 183 that is hidden
The jpe100 has the second highest pene i think
jovial kernel
I don't. I just don't like the fact that the mere existence of a 183 on the other team means that I should camp behind a rock for most of the game.
smoky yoke
I say that tank is addictive high reward but very bad for your win-rate
tired sky
That is where ur lights come in, to spot.
jovial kernel
Ah yes, of all the exactly 2 light tanks that can meet the 183 in matchmaking
solar flicker
My wn8 is 1,073 or above average almost 4k battles
jovial kernel
The 183 can still hide behind bushes and it can still pound AP into enemies without needing to aim for weak spots. Suck it up and deal with it.
"The 183 got an accuracy and camo nerf so it should have actual good armor"
I don't even know if people think before suggesting things here.
I don't think they do at least
tired sky
Ok i can see that a decent conversation is not going to happen. Have fun
smoky yoke
Every Td doesn't have to aim for weakspots, except maybe Grille and Foch has great armor and mobility to flank and run away
FV 183 only has 8mm more pen than the second highest tank in blitz but the worst armor, once a fv183 gets spotted you normally lose half your health course I normally aim for tracks and let my team just finish him off before he could hide
iron lynx
When a Grille 15 is spotted it normally lose all its health
jovial kernel
the 183 has enough armor to score some lucky bounces, and most tanks won't be HE penning it.
smoky yoke
Grille was never like this , course many people complained that's what happened
lunar niche
What is wrong with that dude? Was he complaining about actually having to aim?
smoky yoke
?
Ohh I get what you mean, he complaining that fv183 doesn't have to aim for weakspots but thats basically all td's.
jovial kernel
Some guy was complaining about the 183 having bad accuracy now, so I decided to remind them that the 183 never needed to aim for weak spots in the first place
smoky yoke
Grille needs some loving again it has the second worst win-rate with the second worst avg dmg xD , that's a record for 55% winrate - 65 % winrate tank
jovial kernel
yeah oof
deft owl
Grille 15 needs camo rating buff.
drowsy plaza
@smoky yoke the E3, IS-4, Maus, and E 50 M can probably expect the nerf bat slightly.
deft owl
I dont understand why grille 15 has such crappy camo rating. I dont remember the exact values but it was %17 when standing and %9 when moving. Those values are one of the worst camo values for a td.
@drowsy plaza Except the maus. It wont going to get nerfed.
lunar niche
What can they even nerf about Maus?
drowsy plaza
Speed 😏
lunar niche
That won't change anything really.
deft owl
Currently vk 72 has higher winrate then maus. I dont think maus ever going to get nerfed.
smoky yoke
Is-4 dam, well if everyone uses it in tournaments most likely so
It's basically a 3 Maus and 4 Is4 push xD, Most of the time it always dominants corridor matches
If your opponent don't know it's coming
deft owl
Also t-22 medium beats everything at winrate wise.
jovial kernel
mainly because 90% of the players in it is a good player
deft owl
I was reffering that to why maus wont going to get nerfed.
uncut osprey
Barely anyone has the t22
smoky yoke
T22 balance is that you had to pay 400 bucks for it
oak cargo
Does anyone know how much gold the su-76 sold for?
oak cargo
Ouch I want to buy it back but...
smoky yoke
ask for it back ,you may just have the pay the amount of credits you sold it for to get it back @oak cargo By ask for it back make a ticket and say to want back a collectors tank
oak cargo
It must be bought back with gold
smoky yoke
Well I mean gold sry
oak cargo
I have only 90 gold welp
smoky yoke
Well its only just 5 bucks too spare to get it back
ancient peak
What does it take to become one of those pre release tank testers?
charred narwhal
Majik
ancient peak
@charred narwhal sure seems like it
charred narwhal
Majik and Monehhh
ancient peak
not sure on the monehhhhh part
charred narwhal
I mean have you seen WG? (jk ILY ples dun ban my account)
ancient peak
yeah, but they dont force you to use your money on the game. infact everytime you spend money on the game it goes to improve the game
charred narwhal
I know. People complain all the time about wallet warriors but they are the ones who pay the people to make the graphics and such.
ancient peak
exactly, wallet warriors are the ones keeping the game alive
charred narwhal
I wouldn't call myself a wallet warriors but I have spent some money on the game. I find supporting the game to be good since it might lead to more maps being made
ancient peak
i agree, wouldn't call myself a wallet warrior but i do find it good for each parties
elfin marlin
183 still has to aim for weak spots even if you shooting AP to get a high roll on a E100, maus and even some meds if they far away.
The nerves are actually not so bad when your crew skills are all set up in level 7. Just adapt your equipment a bit. What is worse about the nerve is the camo drop.
In canal at start position I stood at the bridge moving up to A-base. When I past the first building I already lost half my hp. Normally I get to A and get spotted 20 meters away from A so by the time they shoot on me I would have been in cover.
Now you get spotted even where it is unpossible. So yes I agree in an armor buff too. Now 183 is getting spotted faster than grill. I have experienced this in the map Oasis palms. I stood with both on the same spot and the enemy were also on their same places.
@is-6 is spicy you are preaching for your own parish as always. You probably are not a TD player.
ancient peak
completely disagree the 183 should be removed like they did on pc, they realized it didn't fit in the tech tree at all
elfin marlin
There already always 2-3 meds in a team but I don't hear you when there are 2 jpe100 are.
ancient peak
no because the jg pz's gun isnt ridiculously big
@sharp wind they removed it from the regular tech tree and it is rarely seen now
unlike in blitz were it is in every single tier 10 game (s***barn has bad turret and its massive + bad camo = balance)
elfin marlin
What's next...... Nerve on jpe100? Nerve on E100? They can also do 1200 dmg on meds if lucky. I personally killed a leopard1 in one shot doing 1600 dmg
ancient peak
@elfin marlin its spelled nerf
elfin marlin
Great a teacher again
ancient peak
well its called basic English
elfin marlin
I am not English thank God
ancient peak
me neither...
elfin marlin
Drinking tea all the time and P is s tasting beer😀
ancient peak
tea tastes like s*** imo
elfin marlin
I drink drivers fuel... It is called coffee
Anyway don't nerve my coffee too
Back to topic.... Meds have better view range than TDs lets nerve that a bit to compensate the camo nerve on 183
ancient peak
nahhhh, its not like we need anymore camping in tier 10
tribal summit
Good camping is good bad camping is bad
elfin marlin
I snipe i dont camp.
Camping is in all tiers especially in low tiers
Lights/mede keep staying in a bush
ancient peak
@elfin marlin the difference is that the 183 can hit you for 900-1400 dmg and he can just sit at the back and do nothing else
!like183nerf
elfin marlin
Jpe100 van hit you for 800 and if well aimed for 1600 top as i did also in the back of the map. Jpe100 is also vat accurate
ancient peak
still the jg pz doesnt have that pesky hesh
elfin marlin
Dont stare blind in the hesh.... most plagers only do 400-800 dmg with it
ancient peak
no they dont... if you play a normal heavy (Fv215B and E5) or any med (T-62A and STB-1) you will get rekt by the hesh, not to mention the 300+ mm pen ap
elfin marlin
If if is all i hear. IT was good as it was. It never was aan issue until last year everyone started complaining about it and before that it was the grill all complained about it.
Learn to play and you survive more
In jpe100 I can take more than half your hp in one AP shot on a med. it is what it is....
ancient peak
@elfin marlin thats incorrect no medium at tier 10 has 1600 hp
elfin marlin
I can even take you out in one shot too
late tiger
@elfin marlin you crazy
ancient peak
sure teach me how to play
elfin marlin
Leopard 1 I shot dead in 1 shot full hp
ancient peak
i do not really care what you did, its not all about you
late tiger
@elfin marlin it is called ... AMMORACK
ancient peak
@late tiger do you agree with me on the 183 nerf?
elfin marlin
Party , bot in camo and acuracy
late tiger
@ancient peak kind ot but not completely - the cammo nerf was really bad with the traverse and dispersion. But yes except the huge cammo nerf I am happy with it?
ancient peak
im just happy they are nerfing it finally
late tiger
@elfin marlin what does that have to do with the conversation?🤔
elfin marlin
Have you been plating 183? I Giessen you dont play tds in generaal
ancient peak
dude i have the E4, i do play tds but you dont have to camp in them and from looking at your stats it seems you dont know how to play them either
elfin marlin
I dont camp !! Saïd that before
ancient peak
sure "sniping"
elfin marlin
We are not all unicum players. And i i play in a laptop withouten a mouse. I have limited optioneel to play at full
ancient peak
oh lord, why would you even do that? just use your phone, no not everyone is a super unicum, but the avg wotb player should be capable of a 50% win rate in tier 10
elfin marlin
Tried that and it was even worse. So i think i dont do so bad
Also i startend to learn good play after 9k battles. Been climbing up from 41%wr to halfwas 54%wr
Grinding Ferdinand isnt good for Wr either
ancient peak
sorry to tell you but you have gone down 3% in the last 30 days
elfin marlin
Yep since update 5.5 I have been losing. Complaining about that to wg. About poor mm I get more than others
ancient peak
theres no difference in mm my dude sorry to tell ya
elfin marlin
I run an second account just to see what I am really worth. 1025 battles played 60.70%wr
ancient peak
@elfin marlin avg tier?
late tiger
@elfin marlin can we see the ticket answer?
ancient peak
name of the account?
elfin marlin
My 2nd account jus has researched tier 4 but I played tier 8 T34 1776 too and aced it. I am not rushing the tiers on that account I am trying to ace all tanks there
ancient peak
what is the name of the account
coarse harness
Just over 60% WR on a reroll acc is not that fantastic🙄
ancient peak
@elfin marlin you have the same wr in tier 8 as on the main
elfin marlin
I do my best
Yesterday for the first time in weeks I won more than losing
On this account I play su122-54 more than other tanks. Due to limited device I play heavies and tds cause it’s better to handle than fast tanks.
ancient peak
@elfin marlin might be time to upgrade then
elfin marlin
Yes if I have the money for it. Laptop is 8years old and I am unemployed due to medical reasons
I like to have a gamers laptop and an additional mouse with 5-6 buttons on it
spark star
nerf 100.01P next patch
atomic hound
From what I've heard, wg has really been trying to push that this Chrysler K is balanced, but hasn't this tank just power creeped the vk45.02 A even more now? Guns are very similar, though the VK has worse aim time, but marginally better pen, ROF, accuracy, bloom... Other than that, the Chrysler has heaps more armour, more gun depression (10° over the sides) and is MORE MOBILE. I'm pretty sure anyone that sticks up for the VK says 'its mobile, use it to kill mediums' (as I did, to decent results) but the Chrysler is just going to be better at this... I guess I'm pushing for a vk45.02 A buff even more now.
atomic hound
According to their news post, it has 'only 110mm of side armour'
What planet is the writer of this living on???? You've given every other heavy at this tier less than that bar the vk100.01 P, kv4 and 5 (and they're super-heavies) and you're using the word 'only'? It has 10% more than the tier 9 vk45.02 B...
daring junco
Love how wg compares the chrysler k to a rottweiler hungry for food.
lunar niche
People crying about Vk 100 being OP will have a new tank to cry about now lol
coarse harness
There is the IS-2SH with 80 mm sides, and probably even less behind the tracks👌
twilit crystal
I mean the vk 100 power creeps the kv4. Dossnt mean its complwtely brolen
slate meadow
i just hate that the big derp guns or high calliber guns are bugged. ghost shells and tracking the enemy when not even firing at the drive wheel is so annoying
exotic pelican
gud job, not using the normal scrub meme fount
tardy meadow
i made this one
exotic pelican
I really like that, it's good
coarse harness
@slate meadow not just high caliber guns😉
drowsy plaza
@atomic hound Chrysler K in Blitz isn’t a good tank. Only armor is on the turret. Pretty much every tier 7 can front pen your front hull . I may be jaded due to some terrible lag earlier - but wasn’t impressed with it at all.
The T-43 put a round through my front glacis.
The only reason I did well in that game was I got hulldown on the cap area at Ft Despair and reds drove out sideways to shoot at my turret.
smoky yoke
I don't get it thou , chrysler armor on paper suppose to be good , did they reduce it's effectiveness in game
atomic hound
It can sidescrape. No excues, really, with 110mm of side armour and a bombproof turret
smoky yoke
I was not over angling but is3 defender was able to pen my sides >.>
drowsy plaza
Yes turret is great. But side scraping is over rated when you entire team has yolod.
atomic hound
@smoky yoke then you were overangling. Fact.
drowsy plaza
T-43 APCR penned front glacis- the Blitz Chrysler isn’t in Armor Inspector yet - but the effective armor on it isn’t as great as expected.
atomic hound
That is true, but this doesn't change the fact that it is a flat out better tank than the vk45.02 A, the tiger 2, and maybe the t32 as well.
lunar niche
Its on blitzhanger. Nerfed LFP and cupola but more sidearmour.
drowsy plaza
Honestly I’m not sold on that. The Vk45.02 A is a slow med - that was mislabeled as a heavy 😏. I think the Tiger 2 and T32 are better for Blitz.
atomic hound
I'll remind you that none of those 3 tanks have good frontal armour, all of them are much weaker than the Chrysler, all of them are less mobile, and the Germans have no turret armour at all either.
@drowsy plaza I've been waiting for someone to say that about the VK, haha. The Chrysler is more mobile, has much, much better armour, and more gun depression. Vks gun is very slightly better, but there isn't much in it.
smoky yoke
I played against other chyrsler K's just angle is a litter more and you are able to pen it sidescrapping
drowsy plaza
I understand that - the Tiger can angle very well and bait shots with the turret by angling and a little slope. T32’s turret is amazing and has usable gun depression. Gun trolls badly - repeatedly bouncing off sides of things (like a Type 59 turret side - and I bounced four AP in on game off a T49 turret (yeah WTF) - after my HE hit him for 43 dmg... Face on both hulldown with turrets exposed (I think he thought he was a T32...).
smoky yoke
Even with a wide sidescrap like that you still suppose to be pulling off 234 mm of effective armor but I wasn't doing that still got penned like wtf
atomic hound
@drowsy plaza Chrysler gun is flat out better than the gun on the t32, and the tiger has no armour, let's be honest here, even with angling. The turret is a joke, especially compared to the Chrysler, and the ufp is much, much weaker than the Chrysler's, with 30mm less side armour too, and heaps less mobility. Tiger 2 has a decent gun, but there are so many heavies with decent guns, or just better guns at tier 8 now, it has been utterly power creeped.
Tiger 2 has usable armour Vs tier 7s and the Russian/Chinese tier 8 mediums, and thats it. Everything else will butter it, especially if they fire gold at you, in which case any tank you face will pen you with no issues, anywhere on the armour profile.
lunar niche
It will only get more powercreeped once more gold tanks arrive.
exotic pelican
I had Mastery Medals coming out of my dam ears when I played the Tiger II
atomic hound
It's a tank driven by new players, what do you expect.
warm meadow
Yeah
summer notch
You see theses? Make them weakspots
Or don’t have them in the model
Don’t give me a false hope of being able to penetrate them
late tiger
@summer notch they are just very hard to hit while the tank is wiggling
unique scaffold
No WG told themselves in the video on Chrysler that these weren’t weakspots
summer notch
Yup
obsidian osprey
The armor for the Chrysler feels well balanced- the sidescrape angle is crazy, but as soon as you pass it, it becomes like melted butter (unlike the black hole generators on IS family that can bounce or absorb at seemingly any angle with RNG luck). Lower plate is always pennable. Upper plate and turret should be able to stop everything. Gun is just mediocre, mobility is good. Decent job at balancing on WG’s part imo
I played two rounds in it this morning- had issues with a T44 penning me frontally, but I could tell he had to work hard to aim at the LFP, so fair play. Gun was trolling me something fierce but oh well.
the tomahawk camo was ultimately the deciding factor for me in purchasing it- combined with the pleasant surprise over the fact that it wasn’t brokenly OP and in crates, $45-50 is fine by me.
late tiger
it is one of the few AcTuAlLy BaLaNcEd premiums
atomic hound
It still power creeps the vk45.02a, tiger 2, and t32. Especially the VK.
obsidian osprey
Yeah after the AMX M4 49, WZ 120-1G FT, and Skorpion, they kind of needed to tone it back a bit. People do forget the M4a1 rev (needed it’s own emergency buff patch to fix), Lorraine, and the garbage 59 Patton and t95e2 that came out in between
unique scaffold
VK 45 and T32 are both support heavies not rly true heavies
summer notch
The VK 45.02 A needs a buff
atomic hound
@unique scaffold doesn't chance the fact that they're flat our worse than the Chrysler (and the M4 49)
obsidian osprey
Eh, those tanks were already powercreeped. This does nothing to change that. T32 is still quite good and has that amazing turret.
summer notch
T32 has the best turret in the game
atomic hound
@summer notch take a look at the is4 my friend.
@obsidian osprey this does nothing to help it. If this Chrysler is wg's idea of balanced, why haven't those tech tree tanks been touched in years?
unique scaffold
Chrysler K VS ИС-2Ш.
The mobility of Chrysler seems really good, with better armor, but ИС got better gun and is smaller. IMO it doesn’t power creep this one (if anyone wanted to compare)
atomic hound
@unique scaffold I don't give a damn if it did power creep a premium. It's the tech tree tanks that matter here
unique scaffold
This wasn’t for you actually. This was for anyone wanted to compare those 2 similar tanks.
atomic hound
Don't mention power creep then, that was my conversation with you, hence my thinking it was directed at me.
smoky yoke
T32 has op turret if you give it any more pen , then it becomes really good
Give it a mobility buff then that might make it better.
obsidian osprey
@atomic hound those tanks haven’t been touched because they’re German (strike 1) and because tech tree tier 8s in general have been left to rot (strike 2)
atomic hound
And that right there is my issue with wg, hence me raising my issue in the balance discussion.
unique scaffold
I mentioned power creep because the IS tank could have been power creeped. Now sorry for confusing but whatever back to VK and T32
atomic hound
There are dozens of tech tree tanks that need buffs to bring them up to par with their (premium tank) competition.
unique scaffold
Sadly WG doesn’t give a fallafal about those tanks
crystal spoke
There is also a few premis that could use a buff
obsidian osprey
I’m comparing the Chrysler, M4 49, tiger 2, and VK 45 right now and the interesting thing is the M4 49 just looks so superior in the ways that count. Tiger 2’s biggest advantages are the good pen and base dispersion, but it pays too heavily in the armor, mobility, and dpm departments to be worth it. VK 45 has pretty decent mobility and dpm and might as well have the same armor as the tiger 2 (only real difference is the upper plate but whatever), and only pays in the gun handling and pen departments relative to the tiger 2; seems like a better trade off. Chrysler’s gun is really bad in comparison to the other 3, but it has the best mobility and about on par with the M4 49 in armor.
crystal spoke
Panther m10 for instance
atomic hound
Both the tiger 2 and vk45.02a have jokes for armour profiles. This is the two Vs the is3 gun
smoky yoke
Have you played it before the buff?, Course I did, it was even worse
obsidian osprey
Yeah the VK 45.02A should get the Tiger 2’s current upper plate and the Tiger 2 should receive a 30mm upper plate buff too. Then maybe mess with their DPM/pen/gun handling until they’re on par with the competition. I would not voluntarily drive either one of them at the moment when there are so many better alternatives out there.
exotic pelican
yeah, maybe some better armor on their turret cheeks
atomic hound
That's what I want most.
unique scaffold
Yes, their turrets are too weak
exotic pelican
like, 10mm increase on the front and 20mm increase on the sides of the turret
atomic hound
Like 50mm more on the front and 20mm on the sides, and 10mm on the roof.
unique scaffold
True roof can just be penned by T49 HEAT
exotic pelican
nah, 50mm increase on the turret would be too much armor
quick lichen
If you’re fighting an is3 head on in a vk a you’re playing it wrong
atomic hound
That wasn't the point. Most tanks at tier 8 have similar pen to the is3, even some of the meds.
unique scaffold
VK 45’s LFP is stronger than its UFP. WG what
quick lichen
Watch the Unicum guide to the vk 45a
atomic hound
I'm a unicum mate, I played the tank well.
exotic pelican
is VK 45 A a heavium like the IS-8 or a support tank
quick lichen
Did you front line or act as a support tank?
Because most of the complainers try to use it like an is tank
atomic hound
Support, hammered meds. Chrysler is now more mobile with much better armour in exchange for a slightly worse gun.
quick lichen
What’s the speed of the k?
smoky yoke
40 km/h
exotic pelican
has a weak engine deck with no protection
unique scaffold
LFP is bigger and weaker on Chrysler
atomic hound
Chrysler has better effective power to weight and much better traverse too.
quick lichen
I’m looking now
What a joke
Especially because the Chrysler has the option to frontline right?
exotic pelican
I dunno what LFP is, am sry for not knowing
quick lichen
And then flank and kill meds
obsidian osprey
lower frontal plate
unique scaffold
^
atomic hound
So you agree it's overcooked raikk?
quick lichen
I’m sorry I never realized the mobility was that ridiculous
exotic pelican
so just say lower Glacis
unique scaffold
You can write LFP faster than lower glacis
quick lichen
I just saw the vk 45a complaints and thought it was another “vk a sucks. Paper armor” kinda things
atomic hound
Nonono, it's truly been powercreeped to death now
quick lichen
It’s stupid
exotic pelican
I saw an IS-3 trash talking my KV-5 so I rammed him for 800 or so
quick lichen
The Chrysler has the option to both frontline and be a better is-2sh or become a better vk 45a
What’s the point of owning either of the other tanks anymore?
atomic hound
Exactly, it's not right. VK needs a buff
Chrysler has 10° gun depression over sides and rear too... VK gets 6° all round.
coral nova
Yeah I may have to pick me up one of the chryslers it can booth play frontline at tier 8 and then at tier 9 play with the meds cuz the mobility! sounds pretty good to me!
exotic pelican
IS-2Sh has better pen and 110mm engine deck armor
obsidian osprey
And 122mm gun alpha. But that’s about it
quick lichen
I think the Chrysler, unsurprisingly, needed to be nerfed before release
The vk didn’t need a buff until the k came out
Typical, let’s make op premiums logic
Why bother with tech tree tanks if you’re not grinding anymore?
atomic hound
I think it did need a buff, the AMX M4 49 was coming close to just being a better version of it
obsidian osprey
Tech tree tanks at 7 and 8 are just a cesspool. Tier 9 is where it’s at apparently. WG has been doing this for 2 years now but the foundations are starting to sag dangerously lol
atomic hound
Exactly.
quick lichen
Tier 9 is absolutely the best
It’s very frustrating
T49, T-54L, Isu, Borsig and vk 100 are basically the only tier 8s that are still strong from the tech tree
atomic hound
@quick lichen I'd be interested to hear what you think the point in having a t28, AMX AC 48, or su101 after the introduction of the wz-120-1G FT is too
quick lichen
Everything else has been out classed by a better premium
atomic hound
That's the sad fate of tier 8 now. I think that just about the entirety of tiers 7 and 8 need to be buffed (tech trees)
There is no hope of nerfs to the premiums, after all.
obsidian osprey
What a nightmare. Hopefully the 2-4 lines we’re supposed to get this year aren’t awful. I don’t think I can stomach much more abuse lol.
exotic pelican
Tier VII heavies got buffs, traverse buffs and some minor gun buffs (a long time ago)
late tiger
🐘
atomic hound
Not enough though. The only good tier 7 tech tree heavies now are the black prince and the tiger P, the rest are garbage.
obsidian osprey
T29 honorable mention; if you get a map with hills anyway
exotic pelican
some aren't full heavies, Tiger I is more of a hefty medium tank than a actually heavy tank
atomic hound
Op tier 8s pen the turret cheeks on the t29 now too, it's day is gone.
exotic pelican
IS, you just kinda derp people in the face with the 122mm gun and then you back into cover for reload
smoky yoke
IS is my fav tank with the 105mm gun
atomic hound
exotic pelican
That's an armor inspector, in battle it's a different story
atomic hound
Thats only the is3, not even op. And no, it really isn't.
smoky yoke
T29 is a really good tank
iron hearth
Armor inspector is bugged makes armor of tanks weaker it cuts 25 mm of armor from all tanks
I prefer blitz hangar sad part is that i even payed for the premium version of the app and its sti bugged
exotic pelican
Blitzhanger very gud
smoky yoke
You using a is-3 gun on a t29 obviously it will show green
obsidian osprey
IS3 has very good pen for Tier 8. The only premiums that have better pen at that tier are the EXP, T34, M4 49 (and WZ and Skorpion but they’re TDs). It’s a bit dishonest to paint the IS3 as typical or even undercooked in the pen department
summer notch
@atomic hound T32 has a better turret than the IS-4
atomic hound
Erm... No mate. Is4 turret is the strongest in the game, will even bounce 960 alpha HE shells, never mind any gun firing ap, apcr, or HEAT in the game.
summer notch
IS-4 250mm frontal turret armor
T32 298mm Frontal Turret armor
atomic hound
Rounding on is4 is significantly better. If you're just looking at raw numbers, you need to learn not to. Is4 doesn't have a hatch, either.
summer notch
The T32’s turret isn’t a flat block
fast storm
The game is more broken now than it was 1 yr ago good fail WG . What a waste of money
late tiger
@summer notch it is the front is just a metal wall
fast storm
No wonder all of my pramo friends won't ever come back lol. Is this game just an identity scam of russia?
summer notch
Its curved and angled to say the least, parts of the cupola have over 1000mm of effect armor if we are going by angling standard. 1000mm of armor frontally.
late tiger
the gun mantlet is flat out straight
atomic hound
Jgdpz e100 can't do this to an is4.
That's 418mm of HEAT pen btw.
summer notch
Parts of the T32 turret can bounce the Death star with ease, but the T32 will never do battle with a death star outside of fail platoons
late tiger
@atomic hound heat is bad against spaced armor - mantlet is SPACED ARMOR
atomic hound
The fact it won't see it is irrelevant since we are talking about the best turret in the game. 183 can't pen the is4 anywhere, either
Doesn't matter, next to the gun there is no armour behind it, and you can see how much green there is anyway.
late tiger
@atomic hound mantlet ... is .... spaced ... armor ... on ... any ... tank. Look it up
atomic hound
Dude, take a look. 100% pen chance... Just because the armour is spaced, doesn't mean there is any armour behind it...
summer notch
Does WoT Inspector acount for spaced armor?
atomic hound
Yes. Absolutely.
late tiger
@atomic hound there is ... wow imagine a real tank ... the turret and the mantlet is on the outside - first you have to pen the mantlet then go through the turren my god
obsidian osprey
Spaced armor just adds thickness for HEAT. Doesn’t mean it auto blocks the shot
atomic hound
@late tiger sorry dude, you're just wrong. Plenty of tanks have zero armour behind the mantlet in this game. My perfect example is the obj263.
late tiger
@atomic hound prove it to me
atomic hound
Sure, you on EU? I'll pen you straight through the mantlet in a tank like the t29, 34, t30, t32 for you.
late tiger
@atomic hound let me see i want your proof - picture, right now you are making a statement
atomic hound
I just gave you a picture.
late tiger
@atomic hound that T32 has no armor behind the mantlet - no
summer notch
unique scaffold
Yall rinsed
atomic hound
Here you go. I hid spaced armour.
late tiger
ok I concedeyou proved me wrong. I agree with your statement
atomic hound
At least you're big enough to admit it, thanks mate.
late tiger
I am not always right - not a single person is always right b and we have to admit to being wrong
summer notch
@late tiger looks like the space armor is goo everywhere but that one area lmao
WG: Stronk Pattonium everywhere but here
drowsy plaza
@obsidian osprey Spaced Armor should block HEAT in Blitz as it’s all early gen
obsidian osprey
Does it work correctly? I’ve never known for sure
drowsy plaza
It always depend on which update we are at. 🤪
obsidian osprey
haha nice 👍
drowsy plaza
Currently spaced armor on some tanks doesn’t defeat HEAT, but does on some. Which leads me to believe some armor models are flawed.
summer notch
Yeah, im just annoyed by this lone rectangle of weakness destroying my favourite tanks ability to complete against tier 10s
drowsy plaza
Just need to factor some aspects into your play.
obsidian osprey
did they ever fix the super Pershing’s spaced armor? I seem to recall that being broken
obsidian osprey
oof
late tiger
foo
inner comet
F
twilit crystal
is4 turret needs a nerf. The side turret armor is way too good
quick lichen
Frontal*
Cheeks are crazy strong even to 374 mm heat and the roof can’t be penned anymore
quick lichen
You right
dusky oxide
Guise lissen i think (imo) the gun stats should be buffed so i could snipe more effectively when i sit on a hill as my team fights the battle.
BR: 42%er
twilit crystal
Yeag the turret needs a cupola increase. Also slight cheek nerf. Finally massive sife armor nerf
worn sierra
😉
drowsy plaza
It does have some front turret gaps - enough that the IS-4 can be penned by non TD’s on the front turret if you have a gun that can aim.
But generally you only get to hit those when it’s driven by a lemon.
unique scaffold
I have one word
Delete Chrysler I’ve reported every single person in that all t10 stats? srly?, sure put dpm it and shoot hatch it’s never gonna give u the chance to do that in a battle
dim field
Can you rephrase that first part? Not sure what "in that all t10 stats" means
unique scaffold
Can u not be the spanish dude who can’t read? Look at all the stats all of them are the same as as maus almost as good maybe a tier 9 it’s super fast also
Maybe a nerf on fire rate by a lot and that might even do it maybe also a nerf on traverse
dim field
I speak and read english just fine.
I just didn't understand the part about t10 stats given it's tier 8. I figured you may have just mistyped something. No need to be rude
storm light
so you report every person driving a Chrysler K?
unique scaffold
Well not always but it’s pretty insane how many wallet warriors there are I like real players sure there’s good tanks but they suck st something chestier has no weak things about it
I think it should have same fire rate as the T32, and same traverse also then I think maybe that’ll be a better tank
dim field
Aim for lower plate, front wheels, hatch, roof of tank, or just use heat.
storm light
Chrysler has less dpm than t32...
dim field
ionic python
Oof to those who wasted 15k gold
smoky yoke
😛
shy wren
Why is the terrain resistances on the T32 so bad?
smoky yoke
Bc in the beginning the t32 was a really good tank hull down, no tank can really pen it without HE and that almost allways low rolls
T32 is still op just need a mobility buff
shy wren
Just needs slight buff to horsepower and rework on its terrain resistances
red condor
It’s frontal is horrible though
smoky yoke
Omg who wants to show the frontal armor of a tank that is suppose to be hull down, you have to play it where you hide the hull and only show turret, that's where the average player messes up
crystal spoke
Bc you wont be able to be hull down 100% of the time so it's still nice to know your tanks armour
red condor
@smoky yoke Hmm, let’s see. A light tank flanks you and you can’t play hull down, what do you do? Your armor is so bad, everything can pen it. I know because I’ve already played that line and it is not OP.
smoky yoke
It's not OP in the positions you put it, why are you letting meds push on you?
I can tell you that is not a nub friendly tank, T32 and T29 is my worst tanks but I played them to get unicum after I got good at the game
To get unicum on those tanks
red condor
It’s not worth talking to anyone here. My points are not put into people’s brains. I’ve been playing since 2014, I have a little more knowledge than some people expect. But, it’s WG, they don’t care about opinions, just the money they get from the tanks that they can sell.
smoky yoke
So what you want that tank to have good frontal armor and good turret? how do you want that tank to be buffed?
jovial kernel
WG needs to do a global buff of tech tree tier 8s tbh
smoky yoke
The tank has a specific roll to go hull down in everyplace possible , T32 as I said needs a mobility buff since this is a fast pace game and that tank is a little to slow
jovial kernel
yeah
shy wren
That I can agree with. It’s just too slow in the current meta. The T34 also has a terrible hull, yet nobody complains about the tank.
jovial kernel
The issue is they're both slow tanks that only work when hull down, while the T32 struggles to pen enemy heavies frontally, while also lacking the mobility to get their sides.
smoky yoke
Do you know why it struggled to pen tanks? Course the turret was god like, I could tell you that , I had video of me just sitting behind a bush in 2017 and just getting bouces after bounces in Canal I think not sure of the name and just let my team spot and no one could pen me and there were 3 heavies just shotting my turret and then shot HE for 10 dmg , I felt like a god, and that was nub me
jovial kernel
That's one of the reasons I'm going to grind for the Type 59 in the event lol, that turret is noice
not T32 noice tho
smoky yoke
This is from experiences playing all the tanks , I literally had to buy back alot of them bc of crappy stats.
jovial kernel
dang, how'd you get so good with the T-34-2
smoky yoke
I don't play td's to much camping
shy wren
Oh damn, purple. I can only attain light green to light purple
smoky yoke
T-34-2 is to be played where you hide your hull and fire off your shot and then run
jovial kernel
aight, I guess I've been screwing up playing it like a fat T49
smoky yoke
It doesn't have gun depression if you know you can't trade well flank move away and pen another tank
jovial kernel
ok thanks
shy wren
Well, seems like I’m bad in the DPB department. I tend to get 1.2k on average
smoky yoke
It really hard to get good stats thou you have to spot and deal dmg
shy wren
That’s what I tend to do. Have a problem with overextending though
smoky yoke
Me too espeically thinking that you won the game since your team has 5 tanks and enemy team has 3.
well 2 or 3 , all at low health I almost dug my eye out when 2 one shot tanks took out 4 full health tanks
dapper shadow
WZ-121 is the best t10
magic prism
facts
unique scaffold
How tho
Most say it’s the worst is this a joke I mean I know the play style but I don’t know a single person who likes it I think it’s fun but I mean other meds hate it so much they funnel u knowing they’ll win
That’s why u stay as a group and shoot over a small hill and suprise with bigger gun but other than that it’s smh
tepid cipher
Nah, you should push frontline with the heavies. Just sit hull down and abuse the side armor
smoky yoke
Tier 9 grind the only thing holding me back from that line
jovial kernel
the tier 8 and 9 grinds in that line are truly ungodly
smoky yoke
I unlock it on the first week but never got around even buying the tank, only way I will willingly buy that tank is if I get enough free experience to max it out then theres the fact that the gun I want to play with has 3 degreees of gun depression
Sold the T-34-2 ,for credits months back ,will buy it back soon
twilit crystal
Just use fre xp
winged barn
Why? The t34-2 is such a fun tank
twilit crystal
For wz 120
smoky yoke
Yep the only way to make wz any good
Course I know from people who did the grind , they regret it. I tried the centurion Grind and ruined my centurion 7/1 stats to the ground
umbral hound
American T20 medium tank seems pretty whack.
smoky yoke
I am a sucker for gun depression so I like that tank
iron lynx
If you wanna tanks with gun depression, look no further @smoky yoke
shy wren
Or a D. Max, prolly better tier for tier
grim horizon
i mean @shy wren T34 has a T29 hull if you never actually looked 😂 so yes the hull is gonna be trash and you really dont need a better hull as you do have a solid gun ok turret
severe sapphire
Does anyone think that it's getting boring with only getting new premiums all the time??
atomic hound
Chinese TDs soon.
severe sapphire
I mean we need new tech trees and nation's
It feels like they never update them anymore
jovial kernel
Apparently this year we're getting Chinese TDs and Swedish tanks, and potentially even Czechoslovakian tanks
iron lynx
Which Swedish line tho
quick remnant
@jovial kernel Really? Wow that's gd news
Dunno when are they gonna add another British heavys
iron lynx
@quick remnant
Not in the near future, since WoT PC only has one British heavy line
quick remnant
Ok
coarse harness
The T9 Chinese tanks are pretty good when fully upgraded, but the WZ-120 could use that 5° gun dep IMO
I really enjoyed that tank tbh, but if you look at the charts at #devs-answers you can see i'm not in the majority😬
iron lynx
Why is T57 heavy so unpopular
cedar jay
Român pe-a ici
jovial kernel
I think they WZ-120 should get a 4th degree of gun depression but the lack of gun depression is what makes the tank so interesting regardless so idk
twilit crystal
Are u kidsing me @iron lynx i see so many autoloaders in ten. One game i had 9 autoloaders.
iron lynx
Oh wait my bad
I thought the graphs in #devs-answers meant the popularity of a particular tank
twilit crystal
Lol no its just wg hates autoloaders
jovial kernel
and because autoloaders are hard to play
twilit crystal
No they arent that hard if wg doesnt makr thm utter crap like the amx 50 100. They shoukd have actual clip potential
Nothing is wrong with one clipping a tier 7 med or tier 8 td. The kv2 can one shot tier sixes with he and one shot fives with ap
iron lynx
I'd say reducing the intra-clip shell reload is a good start
twilit crystal
But wg doesnt touch the kv2 but nerfs autoloaders due to the higher lever of finesse reqquired. And no u dont buff the intra clip. You give the 50 100 4 shells
jovial kernel
you know, like it used to have
twilit crystal
Yeah . Nothing wrong with 1200 dmg. It took like 11 seconds to unload so you had to be stupid to let it hit you for that long
Or it was late game and thats what autoloaders are meant for.
twilit crystal
Yeah it did more dmg than 50 120 a tier lower
It was fun and interesting. Its how autoloaders should have been. Batchar should do 350 dmg with 4 shells
iron lynx
You know, I'd really appreciate adding new unarmored tanks into blitz
I've practically grinded all X tanks which has less than 75mm frontal armor
Which isn't much btw
twilit crystal
What is that grille leo batcuat
iron lynx
Ah yes exactly
unique scaffold
@twilit crystal. I think the Lorraine is as close as we are going to get to how autolaoders should be.
atomic hound
AMX 13 57 too.
unique scaffold
Add bounces into wn8 pls
dreamy oak
Grille needs much better camo
iron lynx
Yes yes I agree too
fringe summit
I like the RA1DER camo on the Grille but 2550 gold, no thanks...
rustic fossil
I agree with above that T7 and T8 balance is heavily tilted towards premium tanks, with the exception of the VK100.01P and possibly the IS3 and the T54 LWT, there aren’t many tech tree tanks worth playing in T7 and T8. T9 is well balanced, but with the introduction of more T9 premiums, that seems to change too.
iron lynx
The Emil is worth playing
rustic fossil
Haven done the Sturer Emil line yet. sure, the JPanzer II isn’t bad, or the BP and Tiger P in Tier 7, but that’s still very little to choose from
unique scaffold
With a few exceptions I don't see tier VIII premiums as better than their tech tree counterparts. That being said I think there are simply too many tier VIII premium heavies flooding the matchmaking. The problem with this is the wild variation in player skill in effect in these tanks. You can have a super unicum on one side and a 40 game new kid on the other. This variance is not preseyin tech tree tanks.
Tldr:. There are too many tier VIII premiums
coarse harness
More than tech tree tanks😬 👍
T9 is one of the best tiers, cauz there are only about 3 prem tanks🤔
rustic fossil
@coarse harness Yeah and I bought one - the K91 and think it’s subpar. I have the worst stats of all my T9 tanks in it, which is pretty bad considering I grind the tech tree tanks from stock without even Golding the crew in many cases.
coarse harness
Lol, i forgot the K-91, so 4 or maybe more
I don't have any T9 premiums, but all of them seems balanced to me🙄
rustic fossil
@coarse harness Hardly anyone is playing the K-91, so it’s understandable that you forgot it.
unique scaffold
Premium tanks are op and need nerfs. But any tank played right is good it’s just some are inferior versions of so,thing like IS no armor and IS2 heavy tank
median gust
ikr wow
dreamy oak
The map Mines makes absolutely no sense on t10 the map is way to small and u r very dependant on your team and tank composition. Why got the map Lost Temple removed hightiers? That was one of the greatest map I've ever seen. Also what is wrong with the matchmaker? I thought it's random matchmaking, however for me it seems like it's calculated. I played for 3hours and went into battle within 5-10 seconds every time. Then I play in a platoon and have to wait couple mins to get into a battle when there are more than 20 t10 tanks in the queue?
fierce ridge
@dreamy oak mm looks for other platoons and "trys" to balance the teams
fiery flame
I balanced cookie today lol 😂
twilit crystal
Yeah lost temple is great
dreamy oak
Lol ag wish u had the team I had :'D
unique scaffold
Lost temple was removed cuz u probably can’t sidescrape or it’s to biased towards gun depression heavies
twilit crystal
Thats good
fiery flame
Yeah man your heavies yolod me, a hull down t34
unique scaffold
But I still think it could be used it’s fun I use my KV tank line it works there my JP line so I really don’t know why other than T30 recking everything
dreamy oak
@unique scaffold well the map was pretty balanced imo
unique scaffold
Yea
It just means pick a different way for ur tank if ur t30 great go temple if ur WZ120 great stay in the hills concealed btw worst gun depression tank in game rip
fiery flame
IS7 were basically invincible on temple
They would get up there faster than anyone and you would have pretty much zero chance to pen it
dreamy oak
But IS7 is vulnerable to HE on turret
quick lichen
@fiery flame I miss the is-7 meta
fiery flame
@quick lichen me too, I remember the good old days when the only tank I played was the IS7, facehugging e100s before they had the pen buff, I mean my stats were trash but it was hella fun
quick lichen
It’s the only heavy that was fast and you could be aggressive but it was balanced by the gun, bad pen, bad dpm and bloom
fiery flame
Don’t forget it’s awful traverse speed and horrific camo values
But it was a fun tank to play
deft owl
Is7 doesnt have horrific camo values. Actually its one of the best in heavy tank standarts.
coarse harness
Who cares camo, when you driving a heavy ?🤔
versed night
camo looks nice
deft owl
@coarse harness Well you should care its camo values if its horrible. Especially if you are one of the heavies with no armor.
versed night
camo or optics on 50b ?
coarse harness
I prefer optics
deft owl
@versed night amx 50b has trash camo rating. Camo wont increase it much.
versed night
yea noticed
coarse harness
@deft owl i'm not used to hide in bushes, when playing with a heavy, even if that's a not so armored one🤷🏻♂️
deft owl
Thats not what i meant. You should be more carefully when using a tank that has trash camo.
latent copper
You know that moment when someone trashtalks you in a battle, then reports you for unsporting conduct and now you can't access the chat that is seen by both teams in a battle
coarse harness
But if your camo is trash, you will be spoted anyways and a camo painting is not helping so much
proven helm
But a cammo painting is better then no cammo buff at all (though the benefit is small)
latent copper
#wargaminginanutshell
Also it has a bad camo rating due to the vertical size of it
Take the jagdpanzer IV and the su100y for example, the Jag is really small so it's harder to detect but the 100y is just Stalin's shoebox
atomic hound
@unique scaffold plenty of tier 8 premiums are better than tech tree tanks, I'll name a few, shall I?
AMX CDC
M6A2E1 EXP
IS 3 Defender
AMX M4 49
T54 Mod 1
Type 59
KV5
Skorpion G
Panzer 58
Löwe
Chrysler K
And most of all:
Wz-120-1G FT
The most overpowered tank in the game at the moment, imho. I'm happy to argue my case for any of these, that they are better (even if only slightly better, like the KV5) than tech tree tanks.
proven helm
Lol suprised the t34 and kv220 wernt on your list
atomic hound
The t34 is fine, and this is tier 8 tanks only.
dim field
K tank is not that hard to kill with a tech tree tank. Cupola and front wheels are very easy targets.
atomic hound
So what? It's flat out better than the vk45.02 A, a tank where everywhere is an easy target.
fringe summit
Type 59 isnt better than its counterpart T-44 I think, or is it?
atomic hound
Who would be surprised if I told you that of the 25 tier 8s with the highest winrate, 23 of them are premium tanks. The other 2 are the 2 latest released tech tree tier 8s.
@fringe summit yes.
fringe summit
Well, the T-44 is faster and has a higher DPM... @atomic hound
atomic hound
And has zero armour.
Couldn't fit all the premium tanks on one page...
Where was that balance again wg?
unique scaffold
Damn Ke-Ni Otsu, now after 5.5 I've seen at least 4 of them and their owners every day I use my damn nerfed BT-7 art. in Tier 3. And they have the game so much facilitated, all the autoloaders BUT them are nerfed and fire after 8-9 sec reload. Ke-Ni is f******** unchanged, I can't stand it. WG you are unfair at maximum levels.
atomic hound
What did you expect.
fringe summit
Yeah, they call it ‘collector vehicles’ so they can nerf premium tanks😉
coarse harness
But there is the fact, that there is no horrible stock prem tank, and 75% crew on them🙄
atomic hound
I dont drive stock tanks much, I can still tell that most of the premium tanks are better. My list of tier 8 premiums I think are better than tech tree tanks were compared to fully upgraded and equipped tech tree tanks, notice that not every premium in that top 25 made my list.
Don't forget that brand new players can buy them immediately, either.
fiery flame
50% wr rip
atomic hound
Those aren't my stats dude, they're average stats of a random selection of 40k players.
The is5 is debatable because the gun is so much worse than the is3s. The turret is also worse, so I left it off.
coarse harness
You could add the IS-5 btw
unique scaffold
@atomic hound I did expect fairness. Even BT, ex premium tank as Otsu is, was nerfed. If before 5.5 I didn't meet many of them and I could tolerate that, and if WG meant to stop seal clubbing, well, they did not understand now they now have generated the Otsu seal clubbing en masse. Now Otsu is collector, NERF ALSO IT, for Christ sake, their DPM is impossible to survive from
fiery flame
Still big rip, I mean only 56% in the EXP, anyone with half a brain can pull a easy 60%+ out of that OP tank
smoky yoke
Stock premium tanks lol you sir need to research what premium tanks are
atomic hound
@unique scaffold I agree, but I honestly don't care, I don't play below tier 6, I never will again.
(Unless it's something free like the scavenger)
@fiery flame proving the point that many of the people playing these premium tanks don't have half a brain cell, but win anyway.
coarse harness
@smoky yoke i meant an avarge player heve to play stock tech tree tanks, grind the moduls and crew, while ruining the WR on that tank, not like with a prem tank
My english is hardly perfect, sry😔
atomic hound
I ground out the e75 from stock today, managed a 78% winrate...
All solo, might I add.
smoky yoke
Well wargaming should make default premiums you can win by doing certain events
That remain in game forever and it resets every 4-6 months. Maybe it be a tier 6-8 premium that you can't buy anywhere
Stug and t28 premiums on PC that you can get for free if you play alot
coarse harness
@atomic hound so we talk about your stats, or the statistics ?
atomic hound
My point was that being stock doesn't make all that much of an impact.
Depending heavily on the tank, perhaps, but a 45% potato is gonna suck whether they're stock or not, and a 55+% player is not.
coarse harness
4 out of my 5 T8s with the best WR is tech tree tank so idk
atomic hound
Which tanks suit you best doesn't indicate how good the tank is. I recently finished the tiger 2 with 67% winrate, but that tank has been powercreeped to death.
coarse harness
Ik, i have 65%+ on tanks like Ferdinand and WZ-120, or 70+ on the 13 90 wich is definitly not the best T8 light
fiery flame
One problem with simply looking at wr for new tanks is that a select few people will buy them, people who are interested in the game and who want to pay money for premium tanks, the majority of the blitz player base are true “free2play” players
versed night
@unique scaffold otsu is not a collector
fiery flame
@unique scaffold Otsu will never be touched, WG said that it’s would cause way too many problems on one of their live streams, the only thing saving it is that it was only sold for a few hours and was never available for purchase again. I think they said that it break trust between WG and consumers so they won’t touch it.
verbal orchid
Wtf WG did with my T82 tier III tank? It's unplayable. He can't pen an ant
deft owl
@fiery flame But fcm 36 pak 40 or grosstraktor can be nerfed into the hell
grave bear
Yeah, Nerf all other low tier premiums, but dont touch the most broke premium? what's that? so braindead thing
deft owl
Im failed to see how trash premiums can be nerfed while most broken one cant.
fiery flame
@deft owl well I know that the grosstraktor was definitely available for gold, not sure about the fcm. Anyways the keni is the second rarest tank in the game, after the IS6 fearless. Nerfing it won’t have much of an impact
They haven’t touched the keni because it was sold only for money, it’s more to do with their business model rather than actual game balance
deft owl
@fiery flame Grosstractor is actually rarer then otsu.
grave bear
that's meaningless the amount of players having it, it's a super broken tank , also there are other low tier tanks sold only for real money , but nerfed to trash
fiery flame
Like what?
deft owl
@fiery flame Pz 2j.
fiery flame
It was available on blitz fair, that’s how I got mine
deft owl
Pz 2j only sold for gold and never in any container or case. But still nerfed.
fiery flame
2015 or 2016 Christmas event definitely had it, that’s how I got mine, try again
deft owl
Nope Pz 2j was never in container. You probably bought it when they sold it for 2500 gold.
fiery flame
No, I just checked it was available in 2016 blitzfair, also gold isn’t real money
autumn sandal
I have to agree with @fiery flame it has been available in 2015-16 containers and it was very easy to get.
Also to the keni I don’t want it to be nerfed if y’all had one you would love it as well.
Even though now and then you see someone driving it
deft owl
@autumn sandal "I like my broken tank so I dont want it to nerfed" What an amazing arguement you brought here.
versed night
otsu was sold for real money, it costed 4,99
autumn sandal
Yep xDD
Also the fact u could get it for just a few hours and most of the people that have it already quit so what’s the point
fiery flame
For only 8 hours if I remember correctly, I got it an hour or so before WG pulled it from sale
versed night
and the day they touch otsu is the day me leave game forever
autumn sandal
Yep same @versed night
fiery flame
On the same page as you guys here
versed night
guess all other otsu owners that are still in game
autumn sandal
Yep not many of them are left unfortunately.
fiery flame
It was sold back in 2015 and people are still complaining about it
autumn sandal
Yeah I don’t know why.
deft owl
Okay i was wrong. Pz2j was in crate in 2016 fair. But still its not okay to nerf everything but not touch to most broken one.
autumn sandal
They should of not nerfed the tanks at the first place.
fiery flame
As I said before it’s more to do with business, not with game balance, even if the devs want to nerf it the finance department will probably deny them
versed night
worldwide 59 players has played more than 30 battles in otsu last month
autumn sandal
That’s nothing
fiery flame
Yeah man they truly ruined the lower tiers, it was so fun to go down to tier 3 for a few battles after getting rekt in tier 10
deft owl
It means its still played. Enough reason to nerf it.
versed night
ofc its played, why should it not?
autumn sandal
@fiery flame hell yeah! It was always a nice break from t8+
fiery flame
The likelihood of you meeting one is pretty low
autumn sandal
@deft owl 59 players is enough. World wide?!
deft owl
@autumn sandal Enough to nerf it doesnt matter how much players play it.
autumn sandal
Why would you even go back to t3? After the nerf if u don’t have keni ofc
And complain?
deft owl
Because i have some low tier premiums. I paid them money.
fiery flame
I think the overhaul WG did was a big mistake, I know how sealclubbing was a problem but come on, this whole nerfing of lower tiers was unnecessary, I don’t mind the collector tanks because I sold all my lower tiers since I didn’t play them at all and got myself a m60 with the gold instead
Just sell them all man and get something good for gold
autumn sandal
@deft owl then you should complain about the whole nerf not just one tank that practically doesn’t even exist anymore.
deft owl
@autumn sandal I already complained about 5.5. And now i complain about not to touch keni. Please stop defending a broken tank.
fiery flame
Nothing wrong with defending something which you payed real money for
deft owl
Alcatraz opinions are objective while yours are basically "Dont nerf my op tank" opinions.
autumn sandal
Why shouldn’t I. I have it and I love it. And definitely don’t want it to get nerfed. If u would have it as well u would defend it
deft owl
Lol. I have dracula and i want it to get nerfed. I had keni i would want nerf for it.
autumn sandal
Why
fiery flame
@deft owl think of it this way, one day you buy an iPhone with all its nice features but then one day Apple just disables the camera and locks the processor at half the speed, completely destroys your product, how would you feel
deft owl
@fiery flame Which they done to all other premiums and you are fine with it?
fiery flame
You could get all of the other premiums without paying money
autumn sandal
None of us is fine with it. We’re just defending what’s left
fiery flame
I never bought a single tier 3 tank apart from the keni and yeah, I’m just defending the last redeeming feature of tier 3 for me
deft owl
@fiery flame Which doesnt mean everyone get them for free. Should they nerf Defender just because some people get it for free?
fiery flame
If they nerf the defender they will have to nerf all of the other tier 8 premiums which were sold
autumn sandal
And that’s exactly what will (hopefully) never happen
fiery flame
It’s like the thing they did with tier 10 mediums when they nerfed them, they had to nerf everything evenly because the m60 was there
deft owl
Anyway this dicussion is out of balance since you guys know how broken it is and still not it to get nerfed. This arguement is "Dont nerf my op tank" arguement. Im out if you guys keep this.
fiery flame
It won’t get nerfed and yes it is broken, WG has admitted that it was a mistake, not much to debate about balance here
autumn sandal
It has been mentioned after its take down
deft owl
Then there is literally no reason to defend it. Just stop defending it.
autumn sandal
@deft owl why do you honestly care so much about it. Do you really love t3 so much
fiery flame
Well here is a reason, “I like the tank don’t take it away” simple as that, if you like something you can defend it
autumn sandal
Just like with any other prem
deft owl
@autumn sandal 5.5 was suppose to end seal clubbing. I dont see how seal club will end when otsu is still out there.
autumn sandal
Trust me 59 players won’t change the universe
fiery flame
5.5 wasn’t to end the seal clubbers, it was to make it easier for newer players, sealclubbing wasn’t WG objective
They nerfed everything to make the games last longer, that’s their reason for doing it
deft owl
@fiery flame Matches isnt any easy after 5.5. They make whole low tier boring to stop seal clubbing.
fiery flame
They did a similar thing in the past when they buffed the hp of all lower tier tanks, just to make the games longer. You have to realise that WG doesn’t really care about sealclubbing, it a very small minority of players who do it
autumn sandal
My god as @fiery flame mentioned 5.5 was not to stop seal clubbing
deft owl
Lol do you know the actual reason to hp increas of low tier vehicles? They increased it because of the otsu. Newer players was just an excuse. Same as 5.5.
fiery flame
Do you live in some world of conspiracy or something, they clearly said that it was to make matches last longer
deft owl
And you believe it? Lol.
lethal token
Ohhhhh. Flat earth society.
fiery flame
They did it because you died too fast in the game, most tanks could kill you under 10 seconds before the change
autumn sandal
Depends if I believe in conspiracy or in information
fiery flame
Psst, guys you know there is no gold in the banks 😏
lethal token
Whhhhaaaaatttttttt
My whole life is a lie.
autumn sandal
oh nooo
fiery flame
Yeah, it’s the bankers man, it’s all the bankers!!!
autumn sandal
We need to inform the government!
lethal token
Psst. They already know. They watching you. Lol
autumn sandal
Oh no. Am I going to jail for this. Pls no
fiery flame
What do we do if the illuminati finds out... oh damn... time to get my apocalypse bunker ready I guess
Anyway I think @deft owl gets the point, let’s stop before a mod comes here and mutes us all
autumn sandal
Lol. I’ve been waiting for one.
deft owl
Since you guys making fun of me just in case im not an conspiracy theorist. But still believing every word of wg is dumbass. If i dont remember wrong they said vk 45 03 is well armored when they were selling it.
And all the spare part fiasco. It suppose increase the quality of matches by increasing variety right?
fiery flame
Oh did they really, then let’s take them to court for false advertisement then, will that solve your problems?
autumn sandal
At least we’ll make some money
deft owl
I dont have problem with it. I know that tank capabilities already so it doesnt matter if they lying or not.
lethal token
Believing WG or other players "thoughts" is like trusting a 1 star seller on Ebay.
autumn sandal
I mean there’s a difference between marketing and nerfing
lethal token
Ohhhh shyt. Punisher season 2 is on Netflix. BYE ALL!
deft owl
The art of dying is right here. Before the 5.5 people were really dominating with t-46 and cruiser 4s. Wg wanted to end this not really helping to newer players.
autumn sandal
Why would they want it to stop if not to help the new players.
deft owl
Because newer players were quiting because of the seal clubbers.
fiery flame
Then why would they simply the tech tree, they could just easily nerf them 2 tanks, as I said WG doesn’t have some hidden agenda against seal clubbers, they work to please the majority (believe it or not most of the lower tiers are played by new players not by veterans), not suppress some minority of sealclubbing
autumn sandal
@deft owl sooo basically to help the new players
fiery flame
@deft owl where did you get that information from lol?
autumn sandal
Dat man has some deep web info xD
fiery flame
They were quitting because this game is incredibly complex, not because that 1 in every 10 games they would meet some unicum in a t46, think about how the equipment and provisions were simplified
Was that also done to get the seal clubber? Let’s be rational here
autumn sandal
It’s not that hard to understand
deft owl
Well that aint work. When they nerf something other stuff start shining. Also some premiums like su76i and otsu were seal clubber premium tanks.
Lol i actually played a lot of low tiers and t-46 and cruiser sealclubbers were pretty common. Also heat spamming m2 mediums too.
fiery flame
What would you say “pretty common” is, did you honestly meet 60%+ sealclubbers every single game?
deft owl
Not every single game ofc. But they were not hard to found.
fiery flame
Well unless you met them once every 2 games I wouldn’t call it common
Anyways I’m done with this, I’m not arguing with this conspiracy anymore, @autumn sandal thanks for the support buddy, nice to have a word of reason around sometimes
autumn sandal
@fiery flame yep I’m done as well. Thanks for the support I was happy to meet someone that understands. Looking forward to seeing you again.
deft owl
Lol then keep believing to wg. What can i say more.
autumn sandal
And you keep believing in your thoughts and theories.
deft owl
@autumn sandal Do you know what wg said back in the day? Spare part system wont going to removed. Now see what we have here.
lone obsidian
hows the battles gang
slim rivet
@deft owl is not the only one to believe that those modifications are made to limit sealclubbing. It main not be the goal of 5.5 but the fact is that sealclubbers are now playing higher tiers, with mitigate results 😂
last nova
Does anyone else think the GC is op in the right hands of course
I scored four 2k+ games in a row
The first one we lost to cap points
iron lynx
Anything is OP in the right hands
smoky yoke
Well don't think wargaming can balance players
elfin marlin
Sealclubbers to higher tiers? Are you blind? Yesterday I met a keni otso player with a battle count of 12k and a 68% wr. He had 534 ace medals in the Otis. I played tier 3 cause I bought bt-7. Tier 1-4 is full of seal clubbers. Just as that are to many more noobs are in tier 8-10 now. @slim rivet
@deft owl you still have a point only the blind are all agree with wg. Same as all meds whom complaining about 183..... now 183 is truest broken. You get spotted in the most impossible locations while the entire enemy team is on the other side of the map. Some ppl here complaining about 183 doesn’t even have a 183 or only have 2 or 3 tds themselves. They are just medium tank players.
slim rivet
I don’t say they all migrate to higher tiers. Fact is that I see more seals playing t8+ @elfin marlin and it’s kinda sad to see peeps with 40k games (mostly played at tier 3/4) unable to reach 1,7k av damages at tier 10
Always the same debate reg 183. No it’s not OP. Yes it’s a cancer tank ruining 1 game per shot
lunar niche
It was never OP, it was broken. And now, it is ''less'' broken.
elfin marlin
The higher the tier the bigger the avg dmg will be. Avg dmg is not a parameter for high battle count
Ppl play the tiers they like not for feeling good but for liking the tanks they drive. Personally I have played over 2200 battles in pz4 because it was my favorite tank. After that I was getting bored with it si I did the same in DW2..... Makes me a seal clubber....? Hell no!
@lunar niche not less broken.... More broken.
Getting spotted faster than any other TD is not well balanced.
lunar niche
242 HESH pen with 1300+ potential dmg is not balanced either.
elfin marlin
It was never an issue until the last few months from last year.
lunar niche
Pre-nerf, better camo than Grille as well as the best traverse among tier X td with decent accuracy + 1300 alpha. Not balanced.
elfin marlin
Acturacy was not the greatest in 183
lunar niche
It was not bad either
elfin marlin
And now it is worse more.... Oke I come with all the downgrades but only if it gets a slightly buff on its armor
.....or a less loading time
atomic hound
@lunar niche the 183 was a bad tank before the nerf, now it's worse. Sure, it could (and still can) do damage, but doing damage doesn't make you win games. Killing tanks makes you win games, hence the fact that while the 183 had the highest damage pre-nerf, it also had the lowest winrate. After the nerf I expect both it's damage and winrate to drop further.
elfin marlin
And you all forget the terrible grinding to even get the 183. It just is an reward to get it.. WG only listen to all the med players whining they never intended to nerd it
Not to mention the cost of shells.....
atomic hound
I was thoroughly disappointed when I got the 183, the grind wasn't worth it back then, certainly isn't worth it now.
Probably the worst tank at tier 10.
lunar niche
If WG listened to med players, there would be no heavies or tds and only lights and meds.
iron lynx
If WG added the Badger at the end of the AT line, it would be a more consistent gameplay for all tanks of the line
atomic hound
I doubt they'll just remove their most popular tier 10 tank.
lunar niche
183 was bad but broken with all of the characteristics it had. It was team dependent before and it still is.
elfin marlin
You probably all know master_shadow_hunter from you tube.... He has most of the times 183, over 30k battles in it. Yesterday he sold it. Now he is clubbing tier 8 with the scorpion G
And with all the noobs running faster to tier 10 it can't depend on its team anymore. 26%wr players in tie tier 10 are more common nowadays
iron lynx
Well, they could just add the badger as an alternative tier X like the Obj. 140 and T-62A, instead of removing it
@atomic hound
atomic hound
How does that fix the 183 issue?
elfin marlin
Most of the complainers don't even have the 183 I have checked some ppl here.
atomic hound
People don't like getting shot by them. Once you have the tank and realise how limited it actually is, you're less likely to complain.
elfin marlin
Master shadow hunter told me this game has become more and more a racing game. Meds just want to rush in on their enemies.
atomic hound
I disagree with that, thats wot pc lol, with its 105km/h wheeled light tank
elfin marlin
@atomic hound 👍
lunar niche
I have it, very easy to do dmg in because of high pen and alpha. Had traverse to deal with CODing med and camo to sit back and comfortably snipe.
atomic hound
And still wasn't easy to carry in. My winrate was highest when I gave myself the mindset of trading shots, being ok with taking the hit so that I could aim in and hit them for 2-3 times as much, rather than snapping it off to try to avoid return fire
elfin marlin
Grill wasn't spotted standing 5meters away from 183 and 183 gets spotted.... Camo nerf bad idea.
atomic hound
That's wrong, proximity detection would light them both up well before 5m
elfin marlin
Well is didn't. You get spotted now even if it is impossible.
atomic hound
That isn't how the game works mate.
lunar niche
It wasn't meant to win games by its own. Wg pointed it out in one of thier livestreams last year irc.
iron lynx
I think 5 metres would be about the length of your tank
atomic hound
@lunar niche I'm sorry, if a tank isn't meant to win games on its own, I don't want anything to do with it. If you think I'm willing to stake my winrate on 45% teammates... Yeah, not happening.
lunar niche
@atomic hound thats one of the problem as WG intends random 6 strangers to work together with you.
elfin marlin
Map canal, before the game started I was in front of the wooden bridge. Told my team I will run to A-base. I wasn't even to the first building to pass by of half my hp were gone. Normally you get spotted in the curve to A-base.. Same map but now in E100.... Same thing, to A again from the bridge. E100 is slower but gets unspotted in A. Enemy were both in B/C base ( I don't remember if b or c was at their side) but you'll understand me....
slim rivet
I m amazed by ur capacity to say shit @elfin marlin don’t take it personally but reread ur own messages : 26 WR PLAYERS? Never seen any. Of course the average level is terrible but there is no 26%WR. Concealment and accuracy of 183? Of course that’s not his main advantage. 1800 damages (hesh max roll) is. Over 2k battles with pz4 and DW2 is ACTUALLY seal clubbing. No one blame u to do it if u like those tanks. But dont pretend it’s not seal clubbing
lunar niche
1650 max roll with HESH
lone warren
@last nova i wouldnt say op. In the right hands the GC is a strong tank. However it can be hard to play it well sometimes
lone warren
I agree with the first part. People don’t need to own a tank to complain about it - simply going against it and experiencing what it can do is enough. But the deathstar just isn’t good for the game anyway. I highly doubt they would do this but imo it needs to be removed. It doesn’t make sense at all in the line either.
lone warren
Sure you can win games without having a med or light but it just makes it harder. I hate to generalise but i’m noticing an increasing amount of my losses come from my meds not performing their role correctly and screwing over the rest of the team
quick lichen
Pinned messages 😉
unique scaffold
Lol. To be fair I thought selected #general-blitz-discussion 🤦♂️🤣
quick lichen
Our fine ch’s at work
unique scaffold
Need
More
Coffee
quick lichen
@elfin marlin @dusky oxide you two. This was ridiculous. If this happens again, you’re both getting banned. You’re both very pretty, now hug it out and move on 🙄
jade cargoBOT
Adam_255#7437 has been warned.
atomic hound
Can I ask why I was warned for language? @quick lichen
atomic hound
I didn't use any bad language, that's all.
quick lichen
Uh uh uh
Maybe the half a brain cell comment?
I have no idea
You usually are smart and well behaved
atomic hound
I didn't insult anyone in particular, and even that was just agreeing with what someone else said
atomic hound
Yeah, I've looked back at everything I wrote in the last day or so, and it's if it wasn't the brain cell comment (which was pretty mild, mind), I'm left wondering if it had something to do with my heavy criticism of wargaming last night... That or a mix up with the guy using bad language a dozen or so comments up... Idk. Sucks to be called out for something you didn't do, but never mind.
unique scaffold
@atomic hound you used several bad words for which I warned u
quick lichen
Pm please*
atomic hound
Any way you could tell me what not to say so it isn't repeated?
unique scaffold
If you wouldn't say it in church don't say it here?
slim rivet
183 need another buff!
keen nexus
"besides"
coarse harness
Another ?
slim rivet
Exactly
iron lynx
The Grille 15
slim rivet
Honestly I don’t see any other t10 which could remain competitive with a buff
iron lynx
If it is not limited to tier X, I'd say the ARL V39
slim rivet
Foch needs a nerf if u ask me
iron lynx
The tier 9?
iron lynx
Oh
I take that you mean increase its dispersion
slim rivet
Lol no. It’s already awful
coarse harness
You said nerf
iron lynx
Then how is it a nerf if you increase its accuracy
slim rivet
Oops. I m a bot. I meant buff sorry
coarse harness
Compared to the 268 yeah, maybe
atomic hound
Let's be real here, wg doesn't care about balance. How much time has the t28 spent as a pile of trash for? I've been playing since 2014, and it's been one of the worst tier 8s for as long as I can remember.
visual nimbus
Bread loaf OP
upbeat tide
lone warren
SP 1 C needs a buff
unique scaffold
^
Increase reload between shells to 3 secs, give it back its pen
visual nimbus
SP l C is the most bullied tank in game. It’s a meme really... It could definitely use some kind of buff
atomic hound
Let's be honest here, most tier 7 tech tree tanks need buffs. The number of overpowered tier 7 premiums isn't even funny.
unique scaffold
That too ^
Pen buff for tier 7 meds
wet quail
Ah leave them, let the Dracula rain supreme for ever
unique scaffold
Just no
median gust
Stop ramming ppl in Dracs
atomic hound
It isn't even like wg can't balance tanks when they want to, look at tier 9. There is probably only one tank in tier 9 I'd consider bad (the t95 after its lower plate nerf), and the M103 could use a little buff, but everything else is balanced very well, then you look at the cesspool that is tiers 7 and 8... Yeah, it's just a money-pull strategy, clearly.
median gust
Then stop playing.
median gust
^
fiery flame
TiEr SeVeN iS bAlaNcED
slim rivet
A little out of subject but who are those guys with veteran role?
atomic hound
@median gust I enjoy the game, and I mostly play tier 8 and 9 now anyway (8 for credits, and I've got a few overpowered premiums)
Either way, the game would be a whole lot better if it was balanced properly.
median gust
Ironically you're complaining about p2w tanks then you play them?
fiery flame
I think WG should just stop releasing overpowered premiums
unique scaffold
They won’t. It’s WG
atomic hound
Yup. I play competitively, so I'll use every last advantage I can, but it doesn't mean I'd object if they were nerfed.
fiery flame
I understand that they want to sell them but stuff like that Chinese TD is just ridiculous
atomic hound
Exactly. Most broken tank in the game, outside of the otsu.
slim rivet
Tier 8 prem are not OP. Some t7 clearly are turning my eyes to hellsing, drac, etc
fiery flame
Oh let’s not talk about that cutie again
unique scaffold
WZ-120-1G FT has literally no flaw or drawbacks
atomic hound
Keep believing it mate... @slim rivet
Plenty of tier 8s are more overpowered than the helsing and drac.
slim rivet
U have a point @unique scaffold WZ is OPOP
fiery flame
Well gun depression sucks... so it’s balanced right? WG logic
atomic hound
@slim rivet didn't you just say tier 8 prems aren't op?
unique scaffold
6 degrees of gun depression is fine. The tier 9 med WZ-120 has 3 degrees with its 120mm gun
slim rivet
I do. And I firmly believe it. WZ being an exception @atomic hound
fiery flame
Pfff 😂 3... sheesh that’s bad
atomic hound
I've shown these before, but I'll do it again... @slim rivet
unique scaffold
Some of them aren’t pure OP, but they just power creep tech tree ones
slim rivet
And? @atomic hound
atomic hound
You're still claiming they aren't overpowered? With winrates universally higher than tech tree tanks?
fiery flame
I think you need to take into account that the average player won’t be buying most of these premiums, not many people are willing to dish out 14k for some pixel tank
Like I think the KV5 is trash and definitely not better than a vk or t34 but it has higher wr
slim rivet
Players who invest money in the game are generally above the average. It can explain at least some of those WR
atomic hound
That doesn't account for it all, by any stretch of the imagination. I can tell you right now that things like the M4 49, the mod1, the wz, the exp, the type 59, the Panzer 58, etc. Are just flat out better than their tech tree counterparts, stats and all.
slim rivet
For instance is3> IS6 / defender / is5; t44 > t54 prot / t59 and so on. But I willingly admit that just my feeling, nothing like science here and
unique scaffold
IS-3 isn’t better than IS-5 IMO. The armor profile is just meh and the guns are almost the same
fiery flame
I think the IS3 is better but it’s debatable, they are very similar tanks
atomic hound
The new Chrysler is just a better vk45.02 A, for example. The Löwe and M4 49 are better tiger 2s, the mod1 and type 59 are better than the t44 (undoubtedly). The wz-120-1G FT is a better t28, AMX AC 48, su101, etc.
slim rivet
Fun fact of those tabs, the best prem (IMO once again) like lowe and cdc have the lower WR
atomic hound
CDC requires a brain to use, but it's the best tier 8 medium imho
fiery flame
The CDC is an amazing tank but it takes skill to use well, especially vs tier 9
atomic hound
Why would anyone chose to drive the sta1 when the CDC exists.
slim rivet
Actually I really like STA
median gust
Bc they don't waste money on a game that, in theory doesn't exsist. It's only pixels
unique scaffold
The only thing I’d like they fix on IS-3 is the hatch on the top of the turret. Before you could pen it with taller tanks, but now it seems to be like spaced armor
atomic hound
Maybe, but the CDC is just better, take a look for yourself.
slim rivet
Guess it’s supposed to show that cdc > sta?
atomic hound
You see that differently?
slim rivet
I don’t really care of stats. I just play the tanks I like, even tho they are not the best on the paper 😂
rustic fossil
STA-1 is a piece of crap, so it’s not a good comparison, because it is a very weak tank
atomic hound
They are worse, on paper or not. @slim rivet
slim rivet
Not for me...
fiery flame
Bruh sta is fabulous
atomic hound
You have a CDC?
slim rivet
Matter of taste I guess so we won’t achieve a consensus on this 😉 and yes I have a CDC
rustic fossil
I do have the CDC. It’s good, but it’s not an easy mode drive
atomic hound
I'd argue it isn't taste at all. When a tank has that much better stats, it has a much higher capability. It's just a better tank. I understand it if a player isn't good in tanks as fast as that, because it's easy to get yourself into trouble, but that doesn't change the fact that the more mobile tank is just better, unarguably.
rustic fossil
^ I agree with above.
fiery flame
Guys what are we debating right now, I’m a bit lost
atomic hound
CDC vs STA 1
slim rivet
Hum. No. Mobility is no the only component to take into account. Why are u white @fiery flame btw?
fiery flame
Cos I’m special, i never got a role assigned
slim rivet
XD
fiery flame
Apparently I’ll get a role someday... maybe
atomic hound
True, mobility isn't everything. So apart from having double the effective power to weight, and much better DPM, it is also more accurate, and while the bloom is worse, and the biggest difference between the tanks, the massive aim time advantage on the CDC nullifies this. The pen numbers are as close as makes no difference, and I doubt anyone plays the sta1 for its 15mm more frontal armour when it won't bounce anything anyway.
slim rivet
I guess sta has more gun depression (not sure about it) but it was something I enjoyed about it. And a bouncy turret. We can do a training room if u want @atomic hound sta / t44 vs CDC. Or e50 vs pta (which is the fastest t9 med)
fiery flame
Sta has probably the best medium tank gun for its tier in my opinion
atomic hound
No, they both have 10° of gun depression. Sta1 will only bounce the occasional shot on the turret, and also has a hatch, unlike the CDC. I'm happy to go in a training room with you (I'm EU) but I don't think it would prove anything, and would probably come down to which of us was the better player.
fiery flame
1vs1 is a bad way to judge how good a tank is
slim rivet
As u want. I m EU as well. Anyhow, comparing tanks is a bit pointless to me. Everyone plays differently so we won’t achieve anything. Let’s say that KV4 is a feking piece of s h it 😃
atomic hound
It's only bad because there are so many tanks with enough pen to butter it, and tanks with better armour and mobility (guess how many of those are premiums...)
slim rivet
What is say is that I play aggressively. So t44 and sta are better for me since Cdc requires more calm and needs to be played in a more subtle way
fiery flame
Back in the day kv4 was really fun
atomic hound
I play aggressively too, which the CDC can certainly do, but keeping yourself from being carried away by its mobility is important.
I remember being a noob in a stock kv4 getting clubbed by E100s, I didn't enjoy it much... Except the times i rammed a leo 1 for over 1k, and jumped on an obj140 for 1200 of his hp
slim rivet
Thx for the chit chat guys. See u later
atomic hound
Cya
atomic hound
@rustic fossil no he doesn't. He made a mistake when they were first released, which he admitted too, and now regards them both as completely broken. He has even done videos of most overpowered tanks in blitz, in which these tanks have featured.
unique scaffold
The tiger 2, and Kv4 need a buff
slim rivet
Tiger is still OK, prob not as good as lowe, for instance, but playable. Not like this KV piece of s.
atomic hound
Kv4 needs a serious frontal and frontal turret armour buff. So does tiger 2, actually...
twilit crystal
CDC is garbage tbh. the gun handling on the move is so bad for a tier 8 medium with only 225 dmg
lone obsidian
aim lower
rustic fossil
@atomic hound yeah, I know that he changed his opinion. I just posted this to show that the first impressions aren’t always correct.
dusky oxide
My main problem with the cdc is its size. It has a big derriere. Ive always really liked small tanks with less armor rather than big tank with armor to compensate for the size.
rustic fossil
@twilit crystal I think the good pen , low dispersion and quick aim are redeeming factors. I own the CDC (from the pop up offer) and I think it’s a solid tank, but it’s not OP, at least not in the hand of an average tanker.
keen raptor
@rustic fossil that depends on the vehicle. Sometimes the tank depends on the tanker were other times it takes care of it self, the is-5 for example, the CDC has redeeming factors that make up for the squishiness of the tank. Compare the CDC to the type 62. They are not that far off
The SP I C, one of my favorite vehicles, needs an armor buff. Its basically news paper, but I still love its mag/case loading system.
rustic fossil
@keen raptor There is no tank that takes care of itself. The driver is the deciding factor, but some tanks are really hard to figure out, while others are straightforward. The IS-5, while a good tank, isn’t all that OP either, due to crappiest in class gun handling
@keen raptor SPIC will always be paper. What it needs is to get its gun stats (interclip reload, pen) that have been nerfed into oblivion buffed up again.
keen raptor
True.
But with max crew. Reload 2 shells is 7sec, i don’t like it when you reload manually and it takes 11 secs
twilit crystal
Look i dont need the pen. I do just fine in the ru251
rustic fossil
@keen raptor I think you are better off using the single shooter on the SPIC
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold do you run calibrated shells or a rammer?
slim rivet
It does actually
hidden frigate
They can. Sometimes. It depends on what type of shells the tank normally fires, and what it’s standard penetration is.
wide bloom
I can not win with a-20