not really, the 50 120 gets blasted lol
#tank-balance-discussion
jovial kernel
unique scaffold
You mean 50 120? @jovial kernel
quick lichen
The 50 120 has no turret armor and less gun depression than the k-91
It’s not at all under powered
It’s a standard support heavy tank
jovial kernel
which means it compares against the batchat which it doesn't compare to, and the T54E1 which it also doesn't compare to
unique scaffold
T9 is the most balanced tier imo. I think only kpf needs a small buff
unique scaffold
@quick lichen yayyy lol
jovial kernel
the K-91 can hull down and not die horribly to 183s
turbid canopy
In Tier 10 Matches Is the K91 very Useless
jovial kernel
So is the 50 120 because it's scared about getting deleted by a 183
unique scaffold
Folks we need a countdown timer until 5.7. It should have graphics of a Nerf bat getting closer to a 183 every day. When the update drops the nerfbat hits.
It's perfect.
More dpm, better gun depression and better turret. What exactly do you want it to have?
jovial kernel
clearly the gun needs 34723487mm of penetration and the hull of the ST-1
unique scaffold
It needs a gau-8 Avenger.
No wait, 2 gau-8 Avengers.
jovial kernel
327426384 Gau-8 Avengers
torn crystal
what we need is a Baneblade as tier 10 premium
turbid canopy
I want a nuke gun : P
unique scaffold
@torn crystal emperor tank from C&C
torn crystal
Stormhammer
jovial kernel
tier 10 needs Lupus but with the FV215b gun and a 300mm lower plate clearly
jovial kernel
Clearly the WZ-120-1 FT needs a buff guys, can't you see? The armor gets punched through by the BL-10 with ease, and it has low DPM for a tier 8 TD. Many tier 8 TDs can get over 3000 dpm but the WZ tops off at around 2800. The mobility isn't even that good. Clearly the tank is lackluster and needs a buff.
/s
inb4 WG actually
quick lichen
This server always makes me laugh
jovial kernel
👌
unique scaffold
@jovial kernel WZ-120 needs a turret.
jovial kernel
clearly
vital onyx
Bring back 390 alpha for meds
hidden scaffold
How to bring back something that never existed?
jovial kernel
yeah lol 390 alpha for high tier 105mm guns was only on PC
lone warren
Wz ft doesnt have enough firepower tbh... needs the same gun but with a gravedigger autoloader
jovial kernel
maybe it'd be almost playable then
sinful parrot
lol this server
orchid grove
What we need is Bat Chat with 350 alpha and 4 shells. Probably unbalanced and never gonna happen, but I'm never gonna stop wishing for it
jovial kernel
It should have 350 alpha with that 105mm regardless imo
ivory fractal
Weren’t they going to decrease reload time for it? Can’t remember what it was (either intra clip or full reload time) but they didn’t cause it would’ve made it op or smthn. So I doubt a 4 shot 350 clip would happen xD
unique scaffold
How bout we change the 183 to other t10 tank in pc for the British, after all its much like the tortoise
torn crystal
Badger in Blitz would be nuts
thick condor
@orchid grove bc would have 1400 in the clip then. Imagine that with he on something like a grille...
350 would be nice though
orchid grove
Oh, I know it would be 1400 in the clip. Proportionally, that way it would be balanced similarly to how the 50 B is balanced against the Bat Chat on PC, with the Bat having ~22% more clip potential. Since the 50 B has 1200 here, 1400 would be like 17% more clip potential. Right now the Bat here plays more like PC's AMX 13 105, a dedicated light tank first, combat tank second. I want a Bat Chat that packs a serious punch. I'd be willing to lose some DPM and the light tank status/camo value for it, but I know WG will never, ever, give Bat Chat 1400, but it's fun to dream. Ever since WG took away my 1240 clip potential 50 100, I've been looking for something to fill that hole in my heart
lunar niche
Aside from camo and autoloading gun, does Batchat play the same as Leopard 1?
coarse harness
I haven't played the 4 clip 50 100, but that tank is really good with 3 shell as well
torn crystal
PC batchat tho, dat 1950 clip potential
orchid grove
I also want a 4 shell AMX 50 Foch B for Blitz. And a 4 shell 12,8cm WT Auf E-100. And while they're at it, they should give the Bat AP, AMX 13 90, and AMX 13 75 4 shell autoloaders as well. If it has/had a 5/6 round autoloader on PC, it should have a 4 shell autoloader on Blitz. I know y'all are gonna call me cancer, but I can dream right?
lunar niche
If you are dreaming about WT Auf E100 in blitz, better dream for 6 clips instead of 4.
orchid grove
Autoloaders are fun! and definitely not cancer!
Besides, I can count on one hand the number of times that a pubbie has hit me with all 3 shells on an autoloader. If they can't even hit 3 on me, I'm not worried about them hitting 4
torn crystal
oh yes such fun and balance getting full clipped in 10 seconds from full HP to 0 because lel 3360 clip potential
lethal token
Sounds fun tbh. New thing I posted on my clan server. Ofc my whole clan now hates me give t57 4 shells!
steady hull
@quick lichen don't get me wrong kpz not horrible but I dropped from 2.5 average damage to now under 2000 it needs an armor buff to its turret its cuplaes so weak t8 can pen it
quick lichen
@steady hull why ping me
steady hull
so you would see my msg
quick lichen
@steady hull what’s a “cuplae”?
Why would I want to read what you say?
You trash talk my clan. I don’t care what you have to say
jovial kernel
To be fair the Kpfpz 70 could use some minor buffs
steady hull
this why you shouldn't be a mod
steady hull
business before personal grievances
quick lichen
What business?
jovial kernel
He has put business first, hence why you haven't been banned or muted.
quick lichen
Great point
steady hull
have not broken rules
jovial kernel
He can whine at you as much as he wants he just can't punish you because he doesn't like you
ivory fractal
I realised this is the balance discussion channel, anyone else?
quick lichen
We are balancing mods apparently
steady hull
yes
iraik said 'people have 3000+ damage in kpz though" which I responded with ping followed by explanation why it needs slight buff
jovial kernel
🤦 some people here man
steady hull
@jovial kernel who said youre involved in this conversation
quick lichen
You’re the one who is lost @steady hull
jovial kernel
I did. This is a public chat server. I can join any conversation I want.
quick lichen
Don’t yell at him because you look stupid
steady hull
grammar @quick lichen
quick lichen
Really?
jade cargoBOT
LordofStache#5681 was muted
jovial kernel
"I can't win on logical grounds so I'm just going to nit pick you for any sort of mistake in a hopeless attempt to discredit you."
quick lichen
I want to see a tiger 2 buff
jovial kernel
Also the T-44-100 could use a small engine buff
quick lichen
It could use a lot of love
It’s a worse t44 but that’s a proper premium
Sadly most premiums are better than the tech tree tanks
jovial kernel
I feel the 2 degrees of gun depression it loses to the normal T-44 balance it out fine and that it should get an engine buff
unique scaffold
Rhm is underpowered
coarse harness
Mmmmm...nope🤨
sharp abyss
🤔🤔
scarlet cargo
Uh
quiet ledge
The Borsig is a sniper, other than that an ISU-152 can one shot it with HE
rain ivy
Who thinks we need a real counter to the 183..... Maybe artillery with the stun mechanic should be introduced 😂 👌 👀
storm light
wont that make the game worse
rain ivy
I mean, if we are already in a tailspin with mechanics and overly strong tanks, why not
1 Arty per team 👀 it'll break the game and rebalence camping 183s
For the record, it's a joke
storm light
yeah arty prevents camping ;-;
quiet ledge
Artys won't work in blitz, small maps, little time
lone warren
really who knew
drowsy plaza
Kpz70 already got a buff, it’s perhaps still a little low on the power curve - but not as awful as some say.
rain ivy
@quiet ledge I was making a joke
crimson cosmos
The only things “wrong” with the MBT 70 could be fixed with a touch shaved off the reload and a degree or two added to gun depression. Then it might not feel quite so... Limited?
drowsy plaza
I’d suspect that it both of those together would make it OP, I’d love more Gun Depression -10 would be OPAF, but -8 would be much nicer.
The -6 it has is workable though. Just not as comfortable as it could be. Often you need to push a little more than you’d like and expose some softer parts.
deft owl
@quiet ledge The thing is maps are way too small then it suppose to be. It makes scouting useless and makes brawling heavies favorable.
Im telling you all maps needs to bigger. I dont take "mobile phones dont have enough cpu or gpu blah blah" as an excuse since we are in 2019 and newer mobile phones are strong as hell.
In current maps light tanks cant even do their job. Guess what maps are already small any heavy tank can spot enemy tanks fairly easy. So whats the point of playing a light tank if heavy tanks can spot as good as lights?
iRaikkonen Yeah good luck for that. Tiger 2 got powercreeped years ago by amx m4 49 and löwe but you know how wg going to make money if tiger 2 is as good as them?
twilit crystal
kpf should be remade into a medium. Shave 1.25 to 1.5 seconds of the reload. Improve traverse by 30% on tracks and 80% on turret. Improve power to weight by 35% and top speed to 50. Make it a high alpha t54
quick lichen
Let’s make the grille a heavy while we are at it
jovial kernel
don't forget to make the Maus a light tank
rain ivy
And add the ratte
jovial kernel
Ah yes how could I forget the Ratte tier 1 light tank
rain ivy
😂
unique scaffold
I don't get the "light tanks aren't effective" argument.
A well driven light is incredibly effective both as a scout and as a attacker.
The biggest problem light tank drivers face is heavy tank drivers who refuse to turn their tank towards the spotted threats. Instead they just keep driving whatever direction they spawned in.
unique scaffold
Positive don’t bring back the memes..... lol
Waffentrager e100 and mega foch? One shots half the t10 with there clips
I would be thinking that if they ever added wot to mobile tho if they could figure out a way to add those in again and balance them
magic topaz
so the kpfpz70 is going to get a buff in the future? rn the tank isnt a heavy cuz the bad armor but it also isnt a medium cuz the bad dpm and slow traverse speed. so its like a TD with bad dpm and bad penetration. btw i dont know how i did to get 2.5k avg dmg after 300 battles tho because its sad how easy a tier 8 medium can beat you just using dpm... lol
twilit crystal
yeah coz worse players are getting it slowly. WG has some dumb stat uses called 55 to 65ers for every tank but kpf is mostly 60+ players so its stats are inflated but WG is dumb so they refuse to buff it
quick lichen
I average 5k in my kpz 🤷🏼♂️
rain ivy
I seem to be unable to pen the side of IS series tanks with mine 😪
jovial kernel
PSA: if you struggle penetrating the sides of an IS series tank, aim for the tracks.
summer notch
The sides are not too difficult, just always aim for the top part of it.
jovial kernel
The top strip is smaller than the lower side under the spaced armor strip by a massive margin
summer notch
Yeah but then you will accidentally hit part of the track
jovial kernel
Unless I'm firing HEAT it almost always goes in
unique scaffold
@quick lichen Can i ask for permision to post a link here for social campaign??? channel general discussion
I want to make people know more about youtube and abuse claims
shy wren
This is called #tank-balance-discussion for a reason. I believe you can post anything unrelated to the game at #off-topic-discussion
unique scaffold
read again my post
anyway i will add to offtopic thx
summer notch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsy9dZJflOM War Thunder gives you a good reason to not aim for the tracks if you ask me, just watch the first few seconds of this.
Not sure if blitz has the same rules for tracks lol
It would suck though
shy wren
Nah. The tracks in WoT and it’s subsidiaries have the same armor value all round, even when angled. When hit, that value is calculated by adding the track armor value with the effective armor behind the track @summer notch
summer notch
Speaking of which
Someone discovered a bug with the ARL 44 that allows it to be penned frontally through the tracks by tanks with 74 mm of Pen
jovial kernel
Are you sure that's a bug? the Churchills have little side wings that can be penned through the tracks.
shy wren
Not a bug, that’s part of the ARL 44 armor model. The Churchills also face the same issue
Here’s the armor model of the ARL 44 frontally. Behind the tracks which are 20mm of armor is a slab of 50mm of armor, which can be easily penned.
summer notch
Oof
quiet ledge
@deft owl I understand that heavies can spot but of course light tanks have the advantage of mobility whether the map is small or not, you can always circle maybe an IS-3 or IS-5 with an Ru-251 or an AMX 13 90
sharp abyss
K
shy wren
K
quiet ledge
@sharp abyss fake PewDiePie
shy wren
Abbreviated swear words aren’t really tolerated here.
quick lichen
No they are not
spring pelican
thats how rules work
elfin marlin
You can even do a circle of death in a stugIII vs kv-1(s).
shy wren
Hmm. It’s a bit hard to pull off tho...
elfin marlin
Light tanks rush off at start. Why not wait a bit longer and than spot the rest of the enemies by flanking and relocating again
No I have done it many times. Just go in full speed. They never expect you to do that. Got many ace medals for it.
Traverse speed and turret traverse is to slow to hit you
And yes, it’s a bit harder in a non turret tank
But more thrilling to do hrhehe
late tiger
@elfin marlin that is how many battles are lost
fiery flame
What’s your winrate lol?
late tiger
@fiery flame first of all wellcome
fiery flame
?
late tiger
Second mine is 54.29% wr
fiery flame
I wasn’t asking you, asking this guy who’s strategy is to yolo in full speed and hope for the best...
elfin marlin
I don't yolo in I calculate my chances an look for opportunities. My WR is currently 53.49% afther 47K battles. My WR was 41% at 9 K battles. After that I began to play more aggressively and seriously
my first attempt to make an circle of death in stugIII was out of necessity and it worked out. the 2nd attempt i did on purpose to see if it would work again and it did.
so you see it is just a change of tactics using your tank.. you dont have to follow the protocols
fiery flame
Ok you do it your way, but just saying I don’t think you have the right approach to playing light tanks
elfin marlin
why? just because i dont follow the rule of certain tanks to play?
i once camped in base in my lowe for the first 45 seconds of the game. i saw all enemies were spotted and then i cam into action. i flanked thenfrom behind killing 4 enemies and doing the most dmg of my team. we won and i got the mastery....
fiery flame
It’s not that, I just don’t think doing what you do is very effective, I think it’s mostly better to flank and stay on the sidelines when playing a light tank, they aren’t designed to fight head-on
They lack both the firepower and armour
elfin marlin
but they have the best camo. better than tds
shy wren
It depends on the tank. RU has really good DPM for its tier, while the Ltwt has the armor for it. It just depends on the tanks you’re using
fiery flame
That’s precisely why you should flank in light tanks, the enemy can’t spot you while you’re making a move as you have “on the move” camouflage
shy wren
Anyways @fiery flame , why haven’t you got the players tag yet?
fiery flame
No clue
shy wren
Well rip
elfin marlin
all i try to say is that there is more possible than you think there is.....
unique scaffold
Stop figthing these kids 😉 @fiery flame
@lean forge about match making.
I think it would be best if in game should enter 14 players above 50% win rate or 14 players under 50% win rate. Dont mixed up. Those who are under 50% win rate they can evolve quickly if they understand the game, and vice versa.
@unique scaffold. That is a horrible idea and it would put players with high win rates in que forever.
only for that is a horrible idea?
Also this is not the place to discuss matchmaking. Take it to #general-blitz-discussion
lone warren
Wz 120 ft is fun to bully the slow tier nine tds who dont know what they’re doing. Literally can circle a tortoise or jadg
reef lynx
Add arty but do it like special td stile with limited range please
sharp wind
No arty because it doesn’t stop camping and secondly a StuG can’t out circle a KV-1S quit lying you just faced someone who sat still.
lunar niche
If players are getting CODed by a turretless td, they are bad.
elfin marlin
just bring back the low tiers with HE shells.... or better, the full ammo capacity.. now some tds have the same dmg as meds with sill a long reload for a turretless tank. and olso 1 repair kit...? if you got tracked you are a sitting duck.
game wass better before 5.5 came out
and why cant we shoot through wooden railway cars or doors and windows of solid buildings
and get friendly fire back...... makes the game more real too
and if your teammate shoots you on purpose, file a ticked +n the replay and he will get a penalty.
cunning kindle
Only thing u have said which is right is the repair kit thing
lunar niche
@elfin marlin cue in friendly 183 HESHing a Leopard/Batchat. No friendly fire. I get enough of that in WOT pc.
elfin marlin
si76i has no HE shells
but it still would be more realistic. it happens to me quite a lot that i shoot my teammate while he popup in front of my gun at the moment when i pull the trigger
wasting an expensive hesh shell of mt 183
lunar niche
Friendly fire will only increase trollers. We have enough of blocking and pushing trollers. Why do you want to add more?
If your teammate accidently blocks your shot, you want him to get damaged which would decrease your chance to win. Is that it?
elfin marlin
like i said file a ticket + replay and they get blocked
only way to get rid of the noob trollers. i just want more realism in the game
lunar niche
If you want realism, play War Thunder.
elfin marlin
also i want a 1 shot 2 kill possability
lunar niche
There already is that possibility with HE shell.
unique scaffold
Lot of bad ideas in here this morning
elfin marlin
that is your opinion. but after update 5.5 the game is worse to play and less fun.
cunning kindle
You mean u cant sealclub? Coz it was so much fun before for newer players to bounce french low tiers, get one shotted by HE rounds? Yea sounds like a lotta fun for them
unique scaffold
Game is fine. Move out of tier 3 and you'll find a whole new world of possibilities in game.
cunning kindle
Ikr
elfin marlin
no i dont mean seal clubbing. i mean the fact that you dont have a full range of ammo anymore. and the avg dmg each kind of tank makes is quite the same now in low tiers
@unique scaffold i play tier 8-10 only. but for the event i played tier 5,6 annd 7 too for the xp
but tier 8-10 is ruined too since 5.5. to many noobs are in those tiers now cause the way to get to them is shorter now
unique scaffold
There have always been bad players in ALL tiers. 5.5 didn't change this
elfin marlin
partly true.... there are now more bad players there.
best way to move up the tiers is to get at least a 1st class medal prior to progress
unique scaffold
I'm not seeing it. Same amount of bad there has always been. Remember at its core this game is you vs 13 morons. 5.5 didn't change this.
elfin marlin
strange that my wr dropped 0.21%. and take in considering that i need 12 wins in a row to move up 0.01%. before 5.5 my wr was steadily climbing
.... and before 5.5 i played tier 8-10 too
cunning kindle
Its partly becuz there r event yoloers out there
elfin marlin
teams are just too bad nowadays. meady69 said it too in his video
unique scaffold
Before 5.5 there wasn't a event running. These events bring out the worst players. Very hard to tell if it was the event or 5.5 that caused your drop.
elfin marlin
it was not the event i can assure you that
cunning kindle
How do u kno that?
elfin marlin
event dops your wr usually by 0.02% not 0.021%. afthe 47k battles i know that
lone warren
Theres been the Christmas event and black friday with the discounted prems yes its going to bring worse players
unique scaffold
You have no way of knowing if the influx of bad players was due to 5.5 or the event. You are looking for a way to validate your opinion. This isn't it.
cunning kindle
Dude now that u typed, i really dont know what to say about that logic. Honeslty wth
elfin marlin
there is not a good balance in green and reed teams qua wr
lone warren
Winrate isnt a good indicator anyway
elfin marlin
watch meady69 video. he experienced it too
cunning kindle
@elfin marlin but u can not say that it is happening bcuz of 5.5 , it can be becuz of the event,
unique scaffold
Bad data point. Even if 5.5 hadn't happened more players would have been playing in tier V and up because it was a requirement for the event.
cunning kindle
I actually gained wr through out the last two months
unique scaffold
There is absolutely no way you can put your decline in WR on 5.5
cunning kindle
@elfin marlin are u in tsf clan?
elfin marlin
realy? my clan members and some poeple i meet in battle are saying the same
yes recently before that i runned the cdtd clan
cunning kindle
@elfin marlin ur 30 and 60 day winrate is higher than ur 90 day winrate
And if i remember correctly 5.5 was about 60 days ago
unique scaffold
Still a bad data point.
At it's core players were playing in tiers V and up because it was a requirement for the event. You have zero data that points to 5.5 causing players to at higher tiers.
elfin marlin
if you look on blitzstars now, i have good player stauts. it was very good to great
unique scaffold
Wn8 is a fluid number and easily gamed by playing certain tanks. I would not take that number or that rating seriously.
cunning kindle
U were just talking about wr, now ur talking about wn8?
elfin marlin
losing so many battles lately is being cause the balance of experienced players and bad players isnt good
in my case the reds had all the good players and i got stuck with total noobs. 26%wr in tier 10. that is what meadsy69 is pointing out in his vids
unique scaffold
You are all over the place. Now it's a MM complaint. Look, we all get the same teams. It's what you do with them that makes the difference. Instead of worrying about what your team could have done better, focus on what you could have done better.
elfin marlin
dont speak rubbish if you dont know what you talking about boy.... 5 players in my team tier 9 did no dmg at all.
wr varied from 26-43% and the reds had 53-67%
unique scaffold
We are all playing the same game. Stop with the excuses.
That is the definition of random. You never know what you are going to get. At the end of the day it is how you play and what you do that makes the difference between a 40%er and a 60%er.
elfin marlin
stop being blind. i have clan members that are even better players than me and they are losing more now than before 5.5. they only play tier 9-10. msh clan. talking about the same problens as do cdtd clan
unique scaffold
Sounds like you've go a lot of players making the same excuses 🤷♂️
versed night
Never seen so many quitting game under my 4 + years in blitz
elfin marlin
i have done a battle in su122-54 making 5200 dmg and 4 kills, while the 2nd best in my team just did above 100 dmg and 2 in my team did no dmg. i didnt snipe or camp i brawled in to help out.. got 1st class high cliber but lost the battle
cunning kindle
And thats cuz of 5.5?
unique scaffold
It happens.
Anyway, read the pinned messages. This isn't the place for MM complaints. Take it to #general-blitz-discussion
elfin marlin
@versed night and yet spartacusdiablo says there is nothing wrong......
cunning kindle
There is nothing wrong
unique scaffold
No. I said you have no way to prove that the perceived influx of bad players is due to update 5.5.
elfin marlin
oke good luck in the games, wonder why so many are quiting this game.
versed night
there is no single reason, but I think it started with med nerfs, continued with spares and timers, their removal did not solve the issues, the game did noy continue improve, more interesting games came, events were distroying stats, not enough interesting balancing... hope future wg decisions are better than the past
drowsy plaza
I’m not seeing a major issue.
cunning kindle
Ikr
empty verge
do u remember when i said sp1c needed a buff i take it back i aced it (3 times!!!1)😋
quiet ledge
SP IC is sooo fun to play
I wish the Ru 251 had a similar autoloader with the same characteristics
lone warren
nahh the ru is amazing right now as it is.
quiet ledge
I agree but what I wanted is a two-shell autoloader but the same gun of the Ru with that 102 HE pen
unique scaffold
It’d be a pain for LTs lol
gray fulcrum
I love imploding S P 1 C
quiet ledge
Yea that's like 600 clip potential or so using HE which can reliably pen LTs and most meds and even the backs of some heavies
jovial kernel
👌
deft owl
@quiet ledge Good luck coding an is-spam tank.
unique scaffold
Arl no bug it’s called ur to op now don’t sealclub in it anymore unless ur grinding
KV2 has a problem bc random sealclub ers use provisions and buff and all the spare parts to upgrade KV2 to have infinite accuracy, and the play style is supposed to be close support, but problem with that is everyone rushes u no sidescrape
And ppl who want to grind KV2 think it will be fun and it isn’t zis6 si better tho so that’s ok it’s fun with zis6
winged barn
Use punctuation @unique scaffold
Very hard to comprehend what you are trying to say
dim field
Reads like they are telling you not to seal club in arl unless your grinding kv-2.
fiery flame
English almost as broken as the T22 Medium
unique scaffold
Ikr
unique scaffold
Rip that’s what happens why I try to explain things
In big chunks it jut auto corrects and just is to much to read there’s a lot of broken tanks T22 183, but honestly arl 183 and t22 have weaknesses all u ppl who say tiger II is bad I tangoes like a boss it’s not bad
Why us punctuation in this chat also
cunning compass
#BuffWZBlaze
vital pivot
The aftermath of a heated debate = Dead chat on WoT Discord
unique scaffold
What’s happening in blitz
vital pivot
Hm?
unique scaffold
There no good clans anymore like really good ones it’s jut clan of five ppl now pncr is fake cuz it was dead, pramo is moving purpl is moving rgn is the new thing
vital pivot
Well things happen
unique scaffold
Lol speechless goes to look up literally you’ll see what I mean
Well rip na server looks like it’s time for all clans to die and restart again 2018 extinction of mega oof
vital pivot
My clan is literally obsolete.
thick condor
I believe when you look at the ratio of playercount to comp participants na is one of the higher regions. I know Asia's is last by a long shot
vital pivot
I agree.
unique scaffold
Pls ur saying?
thick condor
I'm saying that just because it's not pramo or pncr doesnt mean it's an irrelevant clan
vital pivot
I just realized I was in the wrong chat, see you fellas.
unique scaffold
Seems like all really good clans are dieting and new stuff like E RGN RIKKA and then the good tourney clans like MRKVM toes sky and stuff still exist
vital pivot
I’m not a person who discusses about balance much, as I just flow with the wind.
unique scaffold
But the best are gone also iiiand def cursd are alive still
vital pivot
Why does #tank-balance-discussion have 30 second slow mode as opposed to #general-blitz-discussion ?
thick condor
To deter off topic conversations I would assume
zinc crater
everything that kills me....MAKE ME MORE ALIVE
vital pivot
Sounds like a God of War reference but heavy tanks can bounce many shots, please buff them.
unique scaffold
Remind me bot reminds u to breaks after forgetting for ten minutes
unique fulcrum
@unique scaffold clans don’t really die, they just switch up. Literally those clans you posted are all same players as other clans just under new tag which is no different. PNCR,Void,Pramo are still around.
celest plaza
The game low tiers are ruined
ivory fractal
In what way?
jovial kernel
In the way that he can't seal club
lethal token
"Seems balanced"
top is my team, bottom is reds.
jovial kernel
You say that but don't care to check when you steamroll the other team
lusty wolf
@ivory fractal in a way, that it doesn't matter what type of tank you play, the gameplay is the same. For a player who likes to play different types of tanks, to experience different playstyle, lower tiers are very boring to play. But maybe that was the goal, i don't know.
lethal token
@jovial kernel. Very true
quiet ledge
@deft owl wdym coding is-spam?
empty ice
It's called random battles for a reason
unique scaffold
Okay, I'm sick and tired of the TD heavy meta of tier X. Let me start this off with this. I am not a bad player. I primarily play lights and mediums. Over the past 30 days I have a 61% wr at tier 7, a 65% wr at tier 8, and here is where it goes downhill, a 58% wr at tier 9, and a 44% wr at tier X.
I put this decline firmly on the shoulders of the atrocious balance in higher tiers. The TD meta is overwhelming for me when I play a light or medium tank. I play my role just like I do in other tiers. I spot, I flank, I support, an I engage distracted reds. I'm usually one of the last to die. But at the end of the day there really isn't much I can do when your team folds and you get yolo rushed by 2 red TD's and a heavy.
Wargaming I'd much appreciate it if you could fix the balance in tier X. High alpha point and click tanks are ruining the high tier experience.
late tiger
wow
@unique scaffold can you please correct "their" on the second paragraph to "there"
Ok thanks for the finger I guess
jade cargoBOT
SpartacusDiablo [¡¡¡-p]#7879 has been warned.
unique scaffold
I thought it was the #1 sign. 😆 @ivory fractal
unique scaffold
Maybe you should play better
Just saying
empty ice
Oof
Kinda hard to play better when a single error results in half my health being obliterated.
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold. I just put my performance out for all to see. Let's see you do that.
There's always place to improve
fiery flame
The 183 is catching a nerf, be happy with that at least
empty ice
Nah it shold be removed... And replaced with the fv4005
That tank will provide better gameplay
unique scaffold
Lol ^
Do some research
And since that tank is so lightly armoured, ppl will camp even more
@unique scaffold. Of course there is. I'm just curious what type of player is A. Going to tell me to play better B. And constantly defends the 183.
I'm a player of this game
And based on my experience I can share my opinion
empty ice
It was a joke
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold a player of this game who hides behind a fake name and criticizes other players. As far as I'm concerned your opinion is worthless.
empty ice
If they added another high alpha tank, it would make what I said earlier pointless
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold so if my stats are bad it means I m not allowed to my own opinion?
empty ice
Yep
unique scaffold
Hallow
Of course you can have an opinion. Stats just allow the rest of to measure the validity of said opinion. The fact that you are hiding your IGN tells me more than your stats ever could.
And yet I'm not breaking any rules
Tbh it's not my problem you just drive into the open and get shot by TDs. There's always a way to make them come out like changing the flank or simply capping the base
empty ice
But is that fun and exciting gameplay?
unique scaffold
You try to play Grille 15 aggressively to have fun
@unique scaffold it is apparent that you lack reading comprehension skills. Troll somewhere else.
It is apparent you need to play better
empty ice
@unique scaffold what's your ign?
unique scaffold
Yup. I need to play better.
All of those games were tiers 7-10. Guess I just need to git gud 🤷♂️
You said you have less than 60% wr in the games you've played at T10
Improve yourself and then we talk :)
empty ice
Why dodge my question?
unique scaffold
@empty ice I have a pretty good idea why he won't answer.
Because you're playing for stats and failing?
empty ice
I just want to know if you are a highly skilled player
unique scaffold
The fact he thinks the 183 needs a buff tells me that either he isn't skilled, or he's a troll, or both.
unique scaffold
Sorry @worthy basin. Just not fond of being called out by someone who has to hide his IGN.
dim field
Buff it's (the 183's) skill level. It's current skill requirement is too low
worthy basin
@unique scaffold no, fully get it. I've little respect for people with relative big mouths that aren't willing to show the back of their hands, as the Dutch saying goes
but it is his choice, and as long as he's not overly rude, he's free to do so
and we're free not to take him seriously 🙃
unique scaffold
Gotcha. Don't worry, I definitely don't take him seriously.
unique scaffold
Sounds good!
cunning vapor
Kekekej
unique scaffold
Anyway. My point still stands. The TD meta of tier X really kind of sucks.
fiery flame
Bring back turret armour for Russian mediums, that should solve things 😂
shy wren
Nah, buff the ltwt hull to 100mm and turret to 180mm and buff the LTTB turret to 90mm frontally 🤣
fiery flame
Why stop there, bring back the good old ruski HEAT rounds which ignored all spaced armour and could pen anything
shy wren
Nah, that’s too far back.
fiery flame
Let’s go back even further and bring back friendly fire
cunning kindle
How about bring back is7 side armor
brisk sigil
was it ever removed?
fiery flame
It was nerfed
brisk sigil
how much was earlier then?
shy wren
30mm to 5mm
brisk sigil
never noticed
nerfed or not, is7 still bounces too much... I guess 25mm isnt a big deal anyway
btw... Can anyone explain me why wz113 does have 122mm gun while the prior tank owns a 130mm gun? I know it does have a minor boost on pen but come on, it is a 130mm gun, can't devs put 113 with it aswell?
fiery flame
It would be too similar to a IS7 I guess
clever mauve
BIG CHUNGUS @unique scaffold
brisk sigil
i dont think so, nothing is shared between them, 113 does not have any similarity to is7 beside being a heavy tank...
unique scaffold
Tier 10 TDs need a buff
All of them
I mean this with all due respect. You are a joke.
I think they need a buff
Are you high?
deft owl
We need obj 268v4.
sharp wind
The Beta Test Version of the 268v4
tribal summit
Is-4 side armour was nerfed for sure but is-7 ...
cunning kindle
Dude how does no one remember the is7 side nerf
Almost everyone was sad that it got nerfed(deserved it tho)
tribal summit
I own is-4 only
cunning kindle
Fair enuf
crimson cosmos
The IS-7 got the spaced armor on the hull side nerfed. Big deal. It still has good side armor and a beastly turret. Now you have to pay a little more attention to who’s on your flank. I think it made it a better tank for the game.
twilit crystal
plus 113 is meant to be a dpm machine while the wz 111 14 is meant to be a medium trader
jade cargoBOT
AnormalT4nker#7741 was muted
brisk sigil
if you want to make 113 be a real dpm machine, then give it the 130mm gun with the boosted reload and see the magic happens
drowsy plaza
It’s already got crazy DPM and great alpha on pramo
formal forge
I hate when the most 'accarute' tank fully aims but still misses (grille 15)
unkempt lagoon
Is7 is bad
formal forge
How is THIS even possible? Cuz type’s MAX DMG IS 350
winter crystal
Hmm for what is this thing ? Oh i know, for increasing the ping on old phones
knotty finch
Markers show combined damage if you're being damaged consecutively by the same tank (e.g., a 3-shot autoloader that pens all shots will show markers like 160, 320, 480). If he didn't shoot you before it might also be from a shot+ram
lone warren
^ what i was thinking
empty ice
Lol @unique scaffold was muted
obsidian osprey
@brisk sigil the WZ-111 model 5a is what you’re looking for. Maybe they’ll add it at some point to blitz
jovial kernel
The TDs and heavies in tier 10 is getting pretty stupid I'd say, I'm thinking we could maybe give mediums a bigger boost from optics or something
unique scaffold
Add more lights pls
I personally think the fix would be for TD's and Heavies to lose coated optics as a option. This would open up more of the map to allow meds and lights to do their thing.
jovial kernel
Also I think it would be nice for tanks like the Leopard 1 to be changed to stuff like the Leopard A1A1 with spaced armor that makes it less vulnerable to tanks like the 183
unique scaffold
Heavies could get a spall liner and TD's could get some accuracy boost for sitting still X amount of seconds.
fiery flame
How about we make anyone who sits in a bush for more than two minutes without moving or shooting just blow up??? 😉
unique scaffold
AFKers already blow up at the end of the battle I think
drowsy plaza
@unique scaffold I wouldn’t want to encourage more camping in TD’s
unique scaffold
@drowsy plaza I don't think you can stop it.
jovial kernel
I can think of one way to stop it, but it'd involve adding damage drop off at longer ranges for AP and APCR and adding spaced armor to several tier 10 mediums
unique scaffold
@drowsy plaza what do you think would be a good TD specific equipment load out in place of coated optics?
drowsy plaza
Binoculars 😏
unique fulcrum
@unique scaffold please tell me ur joking my guy..... the tier X TDs are amazing.....
unique scaffold
I'm pretty sure he is trolling
spark badge
Wait so tds shouldn’t camp?!?!? So they should push with heavys or meds?!!? The funny thing is that you’ll be focus by the whole reds once you’re spotted and be deleted in a matter of seconds
jovial kernel
They shouldn't camp, they should snipe. There's a massive difference.
spark badge
Wait so snipe and move to snipe from another spot ?!?! Isn’t that sort of camping because it’s still considered camping ?!?!!?
jovial kernel
Sniping implies you have targets to shoot at. Camping does not.
spark badge
Lmao I play my tds and I play to snipe and shoot but am pretty sure they call me a camper so I don’t understand your logic my dude, how do u play your tds ?
jovial kernel
I generally don't play TDs, I'm a heavium/medium person. I don't mind TDs as long as they're in a spot where they have enemy tanks to shoot at.
spark badge
That’s is my point !!!!!!!!! Lol
lunar niche
Dpends on the tds you play.
jovial kernel
If you're able to use your dpm it's not camping. If you don't have targets to shoot you are camping. Simple as that
spark badge
I think most smart players know where tds usually are because we all play the same maps and I play meds, heavys very different but tds are not easy to play but eventually u will be smart enough to move, but in this meta Jesus !!
jovial kernel
The problem is that often they don't need to move because they dump stupendous amounts of damage (bloody 183 drivers) in one shot, and they don't need targets in front of them to do well, they just need some guy to be in the open for half a second twice a minute or so.
spark badge
U know 183 is always the talk of the town but to be honest I don’t even own one but I do see a lot 40% playing it, not because they know how to is just the rush that u get killing u with one shot or damage.
unique scaffold
The 183 alone doesn't bother me. It's seeing 4 in every match along with 2 other TD's that I'm sick of.
nocturne mauve
I hate it so badly how is its camo rating so good when it’s built on a caernarvon chassis.....
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold that is a leak and has no place here. Delete it before someone does it for you.
nocturne mauve
Also about the KV tg, I’m getting that! I will sacrifice 17k gold for it
spark badge
But they change the mm, I only see three tds not four
unique scaffold
@spark badge I mean 6 per match.
nocturne mauve
Camping TDS are the worst shit ever, especially 183. Getting hit for over a thousand by an invisible shit
spark badge
Oh no yeah without a doubt but than if they change something, than u will be waiting longer times in queue
There is nothing u can do to change that people like tds and that’s a fact tier ten is no joke but I’ve played almost 50000 battles and it’s still possible winning games !
unique scaffold
@sharp wind @unique scaffold. English server.
ivory fractal
@unique scaffold @sharp wind English only here pls. I can dm you a russian link server
zenith sandal
You can win this tank in an Event
royal oak
That a collector's tank?
deft owl
@zenith sandal Ugly as hell.
unique scaffold
@zenith sandal. Wow I sure wish people would repeatedly spam the same unconfirmed leaked photos over and over and over again. That sure wouldn't get old.
tribal summit
Geniuses from bielarusia, cant you see that conqeror is just shit?
It is very slow medium tank
unique scaffold
@tribal summit. If you can't see the rules for the server concerning language why would you expect them to see your perceived balance issue?
jade cargoBOT
VinFizzFlyer#8033 was muted
grave bear
lmao, conqueror is one of the best tier IX...
eternal bough
Imagine how cool it would be if foch155 could have a second gun that was a 2 shot autoloader. 24 sec reload and 5 sec intra clip reload
stoic forum
drifting crow
Hey can we do something about the Gravedigger’s armor like it too bouncy
dim field
What do you mean by bouncy? Are you meaning it bounces shots too much or the actual tank moves around too much?
chilly trout
Gravdigger armour can't be pened my some t8!!!
rare jewel
Lower glacial pen almost every time, vk100p of t7 but weaker
dim field
My ms-1 could pen the back of a Gravedigger and a lot of my tier 7/8 Td can pen it from the front. What kind of tanks are you using and where are you trying to pen it?
unique fulcrum
@spark badge lol play e3 and play like heavie
umbral hound
wait, are people arguing that the armor profile on the grave digger is not good?
dim field
No, I think it's good, but it's got it's weak points like most tanks. If you cover those weaknesses your golden. If not, the enemy still has options. Overall i think it's fairly balanced. Som tanks can fight it head on, others will need to flank.
empty ice
U
lone warren
A lot of tier 8s can pen it what you mean
spark badge
@unique fulcrum I don’t have the tank !!! But am working on it and I know the style play
twilit crystal
the side armor is too good IMO. My tier sixes need apcr to go through the flat sides
tribal summit
@grave bear lets do some platoons. Help me win with conqueror :)
unique scaffold
In 5.7 :M2 Light, M3 Stuart, T-26, BT-2, BT-7, A-20, T-34, Pz. II, 35 (t) , III, IV D, VK 72.01K, Crusier II and III, Ha-Go, Chi-Ni, VAE Type B, M5A4 S, R35, AMX 38 and 30B with B1 and D2 is buffed
lone warren
But you’re tier six against a tier seven heavy. man if +2/-2 mm was still a thing
unique scaffold
I wish +2/-2 was still a thing. 😔
lone warren
Could you imagine that now.
Vk p against tier sixes lmao
sullen vault
unique scaffold
BUT the M4 and M7, LT vs. 38 is nerfed
burnt venture
gey, more ATGMs
unique scaffold
And more, the FV183 is veryyyyyyyyy nerfed
in speed and i think he more nerf in future
Dispersion 0.384 > 0.431
Traverse speed
on hard terrain 33.38 > 26.08
on medium terrain 30.04 > 23.47
on soft terrain 24.03 > 18.77
fiery flame
It’s needs a camouflage nerf, I don’t think it’s mobility was the problem. People hate it because they get half or more of their hp taken off them by someone who was camping in a bush all game and they popped up in front of them for a few seconds
unique scaffold
Agreed. Why has it better camo than the Grille 15?
smoky yoke
Course of the long reload, Grille 15 is faster and much smaller so it's harder to hit. It was a popular tank . people complained about grille. It got nerfed then everyone move to other td's.
drowsy plaza
@unique scaffold M4 Low Tier gun nerfed.
azure tiger
I don’t understand... why everyone is complaining about the 183 who can do 1300 damage for tier 10 and why nobody is complaining about the kv2 who can do more than 1000 damage ?
smoky yoke
No one cares about low tier's, there so many 1 shot tanks down there
unique scaffold
Idk, I don’t complain about 183 (just more camo than Grille seemed not legit but the ghost guy made a good point). IMO KV-2 has only good damage, armor is meh, accuracy and reload are awful, mobility is also meh...ofc it balances the one-shots.
sharp abyss
#dont Nerf
jovial kernel
the KV-2 just can't hit anything
unique scaffold
@jovial kernel correction:. KV-2 can't hit anything FULLY AIMED. It can easily land absurd snapshots from across the map.
jovial kernel
I just got terrible luck in mine. I get amazing luck with 122mm guns though
late tiger
I love getting the IS3 Defender out on Mines - great ridge line tank
unique scaffold
@jovial kernel. That's what happens when you play luck based tanks 🤷♂️
And that’s why I stopped playing soviet tanks lol. I’m too much unlucky
jovial kernel
Give me a 122mm and I'll hit shots like this all the time, but give me the KV-2 and I'll miss every single shot.
wild scaffold
yup. the less you aim, the more accurate
jovial kernel
That only works with 122s for me
the KV-2 just misses every single shot no matter what
smoky yoke
0.384 > 0.431 that's a 0.047 difference but 0.384 is without provisions which would make it 0.362 > 0.409 dispersion but according to your equipment you can either chose to have better aim time 2.24 aim time to 2.45 aim time with vertical stabilizers in choosing a refined gun to get 0.362 > 0.344 dispersion with nerf making it basically 0.47 + 0.344 = 0.391 dispersion. But that's without counting crew skills. Making it even worse if I use refined gun I can make it go down to 0.326. So this not going to give long time players any trouble
Without any crew skills this would be your base with my calculations and even Tanks Compare have somewhat different values
lapis shadow
Hmm
smoky yoke
So give or take 0.375 dispersion would be it's highest.
With my crew skills. If you max out all your crew skills , you would just be playing fv183 just like the rest of us.
lapis shadow
Where does the AC IV come in on dpm in Tier 6?
smoky yoke
Well I think pretty high , had to go check it about 4th best in meds, Crom has 2000 dpm , AC IV has 1800-1900 dpm, sherman firefly has 1900-2000 dpm and m4 sherman has 1900-2000 dpm but 123 penetration
lapis shadow
Damn
smoky yoke
VK 30.01 P is the better med due to the fact that it has same dpm as AC IV but bigger alpha meaning less exposure.
grave bear
what about chaffee?
jovial kernel
you lose dpm and alpha for 5mm pen and some accuracy you wat @lapis shadow
jovial canyon
@grave bear chaffeee is REALLY good now
grave bear
mean dpm, i know is op
jovial canyon
The jageroo is supposed to have an avg dmg of 800...but I doesn’t feel like it ... it’s always lesser imo
jovial kernel
I just play the Pz. IV S if I want that 7.5cm
twilit crystal
plz show statistical evidence of your jg pz e100 rolls but all you can scream the game is rigged
unique fulcrum
@twilit crystal i mean I rarely got 800 hits playing the JG, i hated it
unique scaffold
One I used heat on su152 and got almost 700, and no it wasn’t that automatic high roll thing
twilit crystal
again you have no stats proof game by game. you just feel like you got unlucky coz thats human pschology
jovial canyon
No mate, I strongly believe that it is less that 800 for sure
600-750hp
But I can’t convince you, coz that’s human psychology @twilit crystal
glad creek
Make a red wr color for people who are 42.99% and below. That might let them know their win rate isnt good
dim field
Nah
jovial canyon
@glad creek are u 43?!
glad creek
58.06
jovial canyon
Just lost? Lel
glad creek
No. Not gonna jinx it
jovial canyon
Is CFC a good clan on NA?
glad creek
Idk, not in a clan
solar flicker
The Jagaroo needs a dispersion decrease, and better shell velocity
lost sinew
Balance of the game and “we fixed the matchmaking”
jovial kernel
wait da hecc
crystal spoke
Well that's disappointing
hidden scaffold
Ban* bad players ^
quick lichen
That’s the only thing on my Christmas list every year
rain ivy
I mean, it'd make the game 10x better at t10
Lost 9/10 of my games in t10 today because 183 was there on both teams. Doesn't help when you're last man can't aim
brisk lily
or a teammate goes afk for about half of the battle and then die yoloing into the face of the enemy team(based on a real event)
formal forge
Ooh this explain why the fv183 gets an nerf video.mov
mellow cape
Add an autoban for AFK players who are consistently afk for 3 or more battles (afk for atleast 50% duration of the battle)
formal forge
Cant copy mayble i send later :)
scarlet osprey
@mellow cape YES PLEASE DO WARGAMING THAT WOULD BE AMAZING!
twilit crystal
@jovial canyon Take a not of every non killing shot you do with Ap and prove it
unique scaffold
@mellow cape agreeee
blissful vigil
jovial canyon
@twilit crystal how many shots in total?
mellow seal
gj @blissful vigil
grave bear
tell me how useless it is
twilit crystal
200
terse marten
Another like the fury
lunar niche
Doesn't even need a stat. Ask everyone who has driven a Jagero and you will get your answer.
coarse harness
For me the russian 100 mm guns with 270 avg dmg/shot rolls high about 7 out of 10, but the high caliber HE shells rolls high just about 3 out of 10🤷
dim field
Problem with your autoban for afk players. Sometimes it's not their fault. Sometimes the game will refuse to load them in and will start the match while they are in still in the loading screen. Sometimes it kicks in and will finally load them in, other times they'll have to close and restart their app to try and get in. They don't always get in the game through no fault of their own
jovial kernel
I mean the IS-6 could use some more mobility to be more viable in the current meta. Nothing medium tank fast but 38 kph and an extra 75hp to the engine would be very nice indeed
unique scaffold
True. What about auto-kicking from the queue people who have crash/disconnect? It’ll help everyone
Not like a ban just like cancelling the battle search
deft owl
@jovial kernel Yeah lets buff an is-spam tank when tier8 is full of braindead heavies. Whats next buff defender?
jovial kernel
Defender is balanced. The IS-6 is currently slipping behind in the meta, and doesn't really compare to other IS tanks because of the awkward armor profile which is strange to play around. Most people here say the IS-6 is bad. Personally, I like it. It isn't so bad that it needs a buff but it's not like a buff would make it too good or anything.
deft owl
No is-6 does not need a goddamn buff. Go look at the overall winrates. They need to buff panther 2, panther 8.8 and cent 1 first.
jovial kernel
I literally said it doesn't need a buff. I said a small mobility buff wouldn't make it overpowered or anything. Also yeah the Centurion 1 should probably be replaced with the Centurion 3 which has 121mm frontal armor, then get some more dpm. The Panther 2 is just bad. I don't even know where to start with that trainwreck.
unique scaffold
The Mad Games is back shooting a tank invisible !!!!!!!!!
deft owl
Small mobility buff is a buff. If you want to buff something heavy buff tiger 2 and caernarvon.
Is-6 isnt even underperforming. It doesnt need any kind of buff.
jovial kernel
Caernarvon is excellent and doesn't need buffs. I think we can all agree that the Tiger 2 has been completely useless since the Lowe buffs.
unique scaffold
deft owl
Caern is not really excellent. It needs more turret armor.
jovial kernel
It's already got good enough armor, 2600 dpm, the highest health pool in tier 8, and 226mm pen. It doesn't really need anything
deft owl
Good armor is only at its upper plate. Every other part on the tank is literally trash. Also 2600 dpm isnt really interesting since alpha is really tiny.
Even the damn amx m4 49 has better side armor.
drowsy plaza
Caern just permatracks folks and burns them down
jovial kernel
Doesn't even need to perma track them
burns 'em down regardless
drowsy plaza
Problem with Caern is you need a brain to play it. Most drive it on open. It’s not that sort of tank.
deft owl
Caern really cannot perma track since its reload is about 4.5 sec. Not very amazing for 190 alpha.
jovial kernel
that's still insane dpm for a heavy at tier 8
drowsy plaza
4.46 reload is enough to effectively permatrack a vast majority of the player base.
deft owl
@jovial kernel Dpm is only usefull if you manage to get your enemy when they cant hide. Which doesnt happen often.
jovial kernel
it's fast enough to force itself into dpm brawls
jovial canyon
Stop typing , go to sleep
deft owl
@jovial canyon Its 9:40 pm on my country.
drowsy plaza
Besides the Caern based on last data probably needs a nerf. It’s got a significant higher WR and Avg dmg than many other tier 8 heavies.
deft owl
@jovial kernel Game is 7 vs 7 not 1 vs 1.
@drowsy plaza Caern is fourth worst. It clearly doesnt need any kind of nerf.
jovial kernel
Yes the game is 7v7 but the ability to just outright win brawls is extremely useful
deft owl
Btw dpm is maybe the best in tier 8 but the difference isnt extremely big.
with %100 crew caern has 2243 dpm while amx m4 49 has 2042 dpm. Not much difference considering amx m4 49 much better alpha damage and significantly more pen.
drowsy plaza
Odd the previous chart had Caern near top for both.
deft owl
This chart is the lastest offical chart. I dont know which place you see that.
drowsy plaza
The previous chart, they release them every few periods
mellow cape
@dim field that's why the 3 battles in a row, if you can't just play the game for 3 battles in a row then you shouldn't
deft owl
It would be great if you share with us.
dim field
Is there any time between the three strikes rule? Cause being banned for that would be ridiculous. You try twice in one day, neither works so you wait a day to try again and even though it's not your fault by any means you're now banned.
rain ivy
Balance the idiots in meds who think they are heavies
mellow cape
@dim field yeah atleast about an hour in between the three strikes
dim field
That seems more reasonable, how long would the ban be?
drowsy plaza
Life time 😏
mellow cape
24 hours
drowsy plaza
Perhaps take the AFK discussions to news. It’s not got much to do with tank balance
deft owl
I still cant see anything to nerf about caern when defender is out there.
mellow cape
it's not about news either
drowsy plaza
@deft owl I don’t see how folks do better in the Defender than the IS-6, but I guess it’s the fact it takes less skill in the Defender
rain ivy
^ Bingo
deft owl
Not everyone has defender. Every idiot has is-6.
hidden jewel
Is6 is fine as is. I suck more in Is5.
mellow cape
the armour is what makes the IS-6 unique, it's different from the other IS tanks
deft owl
Also that list doesnt included tanks like m6a2e1 exp, amx m4 49 and wz 120-1g ft. Those tank should be on the top too.
mellow cape
the exp and m4 m49 aren't that op but wz 120-1g ft is very broken
drowsy plaza
The Exp hadn’t been played enough recently to be rated in 5.2 balance period, and the others where not out yet
unique scaffold
EXP and M4 49 can have their side penned by T49 HE
It balances their strong fronts IMO
mellow cape
yeah you can deal decent damage to their sides with HE if you can get the sides
deft owl
the chart i show is from this years november. Check #devs-answers section you'll see. They belong to 5.4.
drowsy plaza
Yes I know. I was just posting the previous 5.2 chart.
deft owl
They are not the newest. So i think we shouldnt take it to account.
nocturne mauve
I have exp it’s mega good
unique scaffold
But not OP
drowsy plaza
@deft owl I understand that, but it’s not like the Caern all of a sudden got significantly powercrept
Several new 8’s did get added - so I suspect that several players who where farming in the Caern went to other tanks - predominantly on the last periods of data. I mean I like my Caern, but there are a lot more fun tanks in 8 to run.
visual garden
I know people have complained about the 183 being OP but seriously does not need a nerf. Its like saying the Maus or E100 is too bouncy so lets nerf there Armor or the KV2 should not have such a derp gun, but in truth that what helps make those tier fun.
jovial kernel
It's not OP it's broken there's a difference
twilit crystal
Can the 50 100 get abuff.. It only has average average dmg among good players and the lowest winrate of the bunch in a supposodely high skill ceiling tank. Its such a bad tank after they nerfed it
jovial kernel
The Panther II, Pershing, and Tiger II need buffs
visual garden
I would like to see the T34 heavy tank get a buff on its turret speed.
jovial kernel
meh
hidden scaffold
Oh, so we’re just asking for buffs to make tanks Op now?
Give Maus 20mm extra armor on turret front and buff rof to pre-nerf PC level
jovial kernel
I mean the Panther II is literally the worst tank in the game by winrate
cunning compass
It needs Some Armor buff or Speed/traverse buff
jovial kernel
needs just a buff in general
drowsy plaza
Gun depression, and dispersion
jovial kernel
I was thinking give it the E 50's 88mm L/100 or something
an extra 20mm penetration oughtta be an improvement
drowsy plaza
@twilit crystal I don’t think the 100 50 is bad, just hard to play well. However when they added the Lorraine, it effectively replaces the 100 50 use.
drifting crow
Hey why can’t I type😑😑😑
jovial kernel
maybe don't spam all caps
drifting crow
Ohhhhhhhh dang it also why can’t I send photos???
drowsy plaza
@jovial kernel honestly Pen usually isn’t an issue with my in my P2, my last 7 games (4 as low tier) are all over 2k dmg. The issue I have is, it’s a support tank - in a game that doesn’t really have that anymore, it has been power crept significantly.
drifting crow
Like I want to nerf the match making and the Gravedigger
jovial kernel
It's sad that any tank that can't go full on one man army doesn't work well anymore
drowsy plaza
@drifting crow read rules. This isn’t a MM discussion zone
jovial kernel
It's also pretty sad how the best tier 8 medium tank is a light tank
drifting crow
Oh
drowsy plaza
P2 suffers from gun depression /weak armor - often to get depression on a target your showing weak sides and Skadoosh...
jovial kernel
I mean why play a medium when the T-54 lightweight has the similar hull armor, way better turret armor, more alpha, about the same dpm, and way more mobility
drowsy plaza
And camouflage on the move....
drifting crow
But isn’t this balance discussion??? And can Someone Please tell me why I can’t send the photo, it’s not bad
jovial kernel
Literally the only reason you'd want a medium tank over the T-54 ltwt if you're playing tier 8 is for gun depression
drowsy plaza
Balance is about tanks - not MM, folks can go rant in General Discussion. You’re role @drifting crow doesn’t allow for pictures.
drowsy plaza
Gravedigger isn’t OP. Sides are easy pen - rear and lower plate.
unique scaffold
why? @drifting crow didnt go to attack him in front, he isnt op, get focus with team and he is down in lower then a minute!
drifting crow
But I’m tier 7 most of the time
drowsy plaza
I knocked off several of them today in the Loza M4-A2, a tier lower... Tier 7 heavies need to use their strengths and not fall for the GraveDiggers
drifting crow
And I met 3 of them in SP 1 C and yup 3 graves still we got planted with their Nailgun
Like plz it’s 3 graves vs us like how?!? 😠
I do have proof because I took a photo, but I can’t share it and it’s not a training room
unique scaffold
grave is also a tier 7, and he can be pened by all tier 7 tanks
but you must know weakspots, only unaimed at turret or upper plate doesnt help, and sometimes think about to use prem ammo
crystal spoke
It might just take a bit of maneuvering and or gold ammo
pine bobcat
im so sad that the 183 is being nerfed
drifting crow
Wait wat for
jovial kernel
183 deserves it
drifting crow
but wat is the nerf 😕
jovial kernel
Worse mobility, accuracy, and camo
vivid citrus
SP1C is way better than gravedigger hands down. Gravedigger is bad
dim field
Can Gravedigger hit a sidehugging SP1C?
vivid citrus
No, but thats not the point. I say gravedigger is bad and regret grinding it. For spic, I just got my ratings camo and its epic tank
shy wren
This is not a place to rant about the MM.
This is a place to discuss balance in tanks @solemn raft
solemn raft
Where is because lately i don’t see wg trying to get criticism about it
shy wren
You can rant about it, but it’s a sore topic to discuss about, as this MM affects everyone.
Anyways rant about it someplace else, not in this channel
solemn raft
That’s exactly my point, it effects everyone....
except for those who drive premiums because wg “needs to make money”
shy wren
Premium tankers also face the same ordeal. Now please bring this someplace else than here
dim field
I'm not sure what about MM you're taking issue with but Supermini is right, try another channel please.
quick lichen
@solemn raft read pinned messages
urban sleet
buff the chieftain t95,the turret hatch or whatever it is,its just annoying t5 can pen it
safe quest
So I’ve been playing the m8a1 at tier 4, and out of the 10 or so games I’ve played I’ve gotten above 1000 damage 3 times in a row, and near that several other times. I like the tanks play style of being aggressive at such a low tier and it brings some life to low tier games as well, but ide also like to say that it’s slightly over powered in most categories, but only slightly where it’s not to the point of making the game not fun or boring. I feel after playing the tank that a small nerf to its speed would be enough to make it fair for both me to play, and my enemies to fight.
fringe summit
@safe quest M8A1 is not really OP...
deft owl
@drowsy plaza Grave digger lower plate 150-160 effective. Its not easy pen for tier 6 tanks. Also sides are 82mm and covered with a stupidishly thick 45mm spaced armor.
Maybe gravedigger is not the best tank around here but its clearly not a bad tank. If you guys looking for bad tank look no elsewhere then t20.
unique scaffold
I'd rather drive the T20 over the grave digger 😆
sand dust
I have the T21
unique scaffold
So what tank shall we complain about today?
A. VK.100
B. 183
C. Grave Digger
D. All of the above
dry thorn
Grave digger I don’t think is that good. Except the balance of speed and amount of armor is broken. Otherwise it’s not that great to me
austere saffron
Gravedigger throwing foam balls at my face help
quick lichen
Dodge dip duck dive and dodge
If you can dodge a shell, you can dodge a ball
Rest In Peace Patches
unique scaffold
I'm pretty sure that by the end of the day the answer will be "D".
iron lynx
VK is average
183 is getting nerfed anyway
Gravedigger not really OP
Hmm
Maybe the WZ 120-1 FT?
drowsy plaza
@deft owl T20 is fantastic, just requires a bit of patience and thought.
late tiger
@quick lichen if you can dodge a rench you can dodge a ball - "Dodgeball" (old movie)
quick lichen
Someone got it
unique scaffold
@quick lichen. I got it. One of the funniest movies I've seen. That, Blazing Saddles, and Airplane.
late tiger
Blazing saddles one of the best western movies I have seen despite all the derogatory thing
sharp wind
Vk 100 needs a mobility nerf that’s it
fiery flame
It needs an armour nerf not mobility
sharp wind
It reverses too fast the armor is fine, learn to aim
fiery flame
All I want is a cupola nerf, nothing else
late tiger
yeah cupola may need a slight nerf but otherwise VK100 is pretty balanced in my opinion
unique scaffold
It's fine. Don't fight it to its strengths and it is a easy kill.
sharp wind
It needs a mobility nerf to it going in reverse. It will out speed a Löwe going forward with enough time to put in 2 shells
mellow cape
nah it's fine imo, the thing is you aren't meant to shoot it, it is literally meant to be a distraction for the enemy team, it's purpose is to block as much damage as it can, take out the other tanks first and leave it for the last kill, it doesn't have very good gun stats or DPM
deft owl
@sharp wind Is-3 needs a nerf too if vk needs nerf.
sharp wind
Why would the IS-3 need a nerf? The VK only needs a slight mobility nerf going BACKWARDS (since half can’t English and understand what reverse means)
deft owl
@sharp wind Vk does not need any kind of nerf. All is-spammers always cry about german tanks like you. Git gud.
sharp wind
I play the Löwe thank you very much, if you are going to be a brain dead moron and make assumptions at least do some kind of research. And I am stating the VK ought to be nerfed because it should not be able to go faster in reverse than its counterparts going FOWARD.
deft owl
Lol When löwe got 15 kph forward speed limit?
sharp wind
By the time the Löwe can get up to speed the VK can get around 50m of distance
deft owl
Because löwe has worse p/w ratio then Vk. There is nothing wrong about it since löwe has advantages to back up this disadvantage.
Also löwe has 15 kph reverse speed limit. Please stop crying.
sharp wind
Yet the Löwe isn’t a super heavy, you need a class on logic
deft owl
@sharp wind Super heavy doesnt mean it has to be slower. Maus has better p/w ratio then löwe if you want more example.
sharp wind
It should have a 13kph reverse speed then it will be balanced
deft owl
Git gud please. Vk is already balanced.
sharp wind
When the Löwe with a marginally better power to weight can’t out accelerate a super heavy. Makes perfect logical sense.
grave bear
Fun fact: lowe is a super heavy, and also, what do you want? make Lowe as fast as tiger II ??
sharp wind
Not in practice
deft owl
Löwe has much better speed limit so most of the time löwe will be earlier to reach there. Also i dont know where did you get the "Löwe has to be faster then Vk". idea.
grave bear
Vk 100.01 P has an electric traction if im not wrong, so, 15km backward is right.
fiery flame
Pls just nerf the cupola, everything else is fine
deft owl
@fiery flame No. Vk will be utter garbage if it has weaker cuppola.
sharp wind
Shouldn’t be able to achieve the distances vs a Löwe that the VK is capable of right now. And the VK is more mobile compared to the Maus.
fiery flame
I’m not saying to make it 20mm thick, just give the tier 8 heavies a decent chance to pen it if they actually hit the damn thing
sharp wind
Because giving people a super heavy with no weak points is a great idea
unique scaffold
@deft owl. It's possible to debate a topic without insults. Try it.
grave bear
Lowe has a ridicolous super fast traverse speed and is a super heavy, what do you want?
deft owl
@sharp wind Is3 doesnt have any frontal weakspot for tier 7 tanks.
fiery flame
Look at the chieftain for example, it’s turret is incredibly strong but is had a cupola which is its weakness, however when I play the chieftain hull down very few people are actually able to hit it
grave bear
Vk100.01 P Goes at 20km, and still some 42km tanks can pen me frontally with ap. (is2sh/is5)
Well, go at 20km in your chieftain and everyone will hit your cupola
fiery flame
It won’t ruin the tank in any way to have a nerf to its cupola
grave bear
Vk100 is the biggest and tallest tank at tier 8, literally get shot by everywhere, they see my cupola and i dont even spot them, at least is a bit armored so i can rely on their sh itty aiming skills.
fiery flame
Like come on guys, just a little nerf would be nice
winged barn
I see a lot of green there
deft owl
@fiery flame Lower plate?
grave bear
Why you should be supposed to pen FRONTALLY a 20KM tank in a 42KM tank? use your brain bro
fiery flame
I want the cupola nerfed, don’t care about the rest of the armour
deft owl
@fiery flame Git gud then. Tank already has a weakspot.
grave bear
because yes, IS3 defender that goes at 40 km has a cupola on his unoenetrable turret, right??
winged barn
So you ignore the easy pen and go for the hard one...
Seems to make sense to me.
fiery flame
@grave bear you can easily overmatch the roof of the turret if you hit it, guaranteed pen
grave bear
No, you can do it only with is5's turret. "easily overmatch"
a plate that is smaller than the penetrable plate of vk100's cupola, in a tank that goes more than 2 times faster, makes sense.
daring junco
If you hit it
winged barn
May I ask how you hit this turret roof?
The tank even has gun depression
carmine oracle
Ok st Emil needs a buff or something it’s unbearable
fiery flame
So you want all the heavies faster than the VK to flank it then, is that your plan?
grave bear
IS3 defender in hulldown is TOTALLY UNPENETRABLE. and it has 2 times vk100's max speed, now literally disappear
winged barn
They do not ave to flank. Look at the bright green spot on the picture that you posted
carmine oracle
It’s no armor no speed and gun isn’t even that good compared to other tier 7s
deft owl
The thing is people cant realize is vk cuppola is not an ordinary weakspot and it doesnt suppose to be. Lower plate is its main weakspot and you should aim there. It would be stupid if you can pen the cuppola as effective as lower plate.
grave bear
Also, if you dont use your GOLD SHELLS for THE SLOWEST TIER 8 TANK, on what the HECk are u supposed to shoot heat?
deft owl
Also thing make me laugh is russian heavies lacking any kind of turret weakspot and people still cry about german tanks.
weary spindle
@fiery flame try to show with tier 7 light on medium. No chance in hell to pen it frontaly or sides
winged barn
grave bear
WOW, a tier 7 light tank cant pen FRONTALLY a tier 8 SUPER HEAVY TANK that has almos 1/5 of their mobility! what a disaster!!
fiery flame
Which light tank would that be?
winged barn
All of them
grave bear
Try to show IS-3's frontal armor seen by a tier 8 russian med tank with ap. and then come here @weary spindle
fun fact: you can switch shells type to Heat/apcr anytime you want
another fun fact: 175 pen is enough to pen vk100's lower plate, but IS3 is totally unpenetrable against that.
daring junco
Actually, i have little problem dealing with the vk with the type 62. Just flank it hard and side hug or snipe. Mind you, i dont use gold
deft owl
Oh where is cuppola? And this thing goes at 38 kph.
fiery flame
Highest pen light tank in tier 7 shooting a VK @winged barn
grave bear
@fiery flame now do same with is5 instead, it has 2 times its max speed.
daring junco
Didnt know light tanks fought heavies head on hmm
weary spindle
@grave bear it is more mobile then kv4 it has better gun than kv4 it has more treverse then most heavy tank at that tier and armour of tier 9 tank.
Not op not at all.
deft owl
@weary spindle Kv4 actually way better gun then vk.
grave bear
OMG MORE MOBILE THAN KV4, because yes, kv4 has 20km max speed yeah? armor of tier 9 tank? the lowrr plate can be penned with 175 pen
weary spindle
Look at the stats
fiery flame
@grave bear you my friend are just getting emotional, the tank isn’t balanced, pls nerf cupola
grave bear
@AlcatrazGuardian now do same with is5 instead, it has 2 times its max speed.
^^^^
^^^^^^^, is5 doesnt even have a cupola to be nerfed
weary spindle
@grave bear it should be balanced for tier 7 not just 8
deft owl
@weary spindle Same goes for is-3 defender.But is it balanced against tier 7? Hell no.
grave bear
sipjo, if my 20km tank can be penned by a tier 7 65km tank, WHAT THE HECK IS THE SUPPOSE OF MY TANK?
And also, tell me why YOU IN A TIER 7 LIGHT would be fighting a TIER 8 SUPER HEAVY
weary spindle
Is3 also needs a nerf
fiery flame
Here you go...
daring junco
You cant balance a tank for tier 7 and forget it fights tier 9s
grave bear
@fiery flame fun fact: that thing is smaller than vk100's p.cupola
becausw yes, we cannall hit that 10mm cupola when is3 goes at 38km ?
literally bro, stop here.
fiery flame
I’m not saying to nerf it to the point where tier 7 lights can pen it, I’m just wanting tier 8 heavies to stand a chance against the thing when they can’t see the lower plate
deft owl
@fiery flame You dont suppose to pen a tank when they hide their weakspots.
grave bear
why i keep talking with these super skilled super unicums that wants to nerf the only good thing a 20km tank has? i should find better hobbies
fiery flame
I mean look at the T28 also super slow and has strong armour, but it at least it has a upper weak spot to pen
grave bear
@fiery flame try to pen Is3 defender when it's in hulldown with his 7 degrees
T28 has HORRIBLE armor and needs a buff
slow asf and literally all tanks can pen it entirely if load pramo
deft owl
@fiery flame Because t28 if not one of the worst tier 8 tank in game and deserves a buff. Its not a good comparision at all.
daring junco
Heres my perseptive on the matter. The vk and many other tanks are op when in the right hands. Otherwise its a big box with thick armor which can be exploited easily. Wg knows this, even in the news article that introduced the new heavies wg stated “its a bunker in the right hands”. They will simply not nerf the vk
grave bear
im being bored of this stupid pointless discussion, Tier X Maus doesnt have a cupola, do you want to add one in it so BatChat can pen it frontally with ap?
fiery flame
The only point @grave bear is making that because the VK is slow it shouldn’t have any weaknesses at all apart from a lower plate, all I’m saying is that’s not true. As for a IS3 hull down, yeah it’s strong but it has a relevantly weak hull, same goes for a T34 or even a Lowe.
grave bear
well, Vk100 has a weakspot, it's the cupola. you're supposed to use Gold.
hidden scaffold
Is this a VK 100.01 P balance discussion I see?
daring junco
Might as well have its own channel
fiery flame
Tier X maus can be easily penned in the cheeks with AP from tier X heavies and meds so it’s a bad comparison
grave bear
ok guys bye after that im done
come in training room and let me see how you pen maus frontally with med tank ap
deft owl
@fiery flame Wow.
hidden scaffold
daring junco
Omg 😂😂😂
fiery flame
@deft owl
grave bear
@fiery flame you dont even know to angle, nice
this is how you should show is7's armor
lunar niche
Yes nerf the cupola and make it obsolete in tier 9 matches.
weary spindle
grave bear
wow, russian guns are not accurate, didnt know that, thanks
Nerf the gun? do you remember these tanks goes all 2 times faster than vk100?..
weary spindle
Nerf the gun
fiery flame
Gun is fine, nerf cupola
grave bear
the guns arent supposed to be THE SAME on all tanks
weary spindle
It is supose to be heavy tank that only take damage and have bad dpm. Like maus
grave bear
ohh, and how it takes damage with that su cking cupola that every shell 230mm+ can pen everywhere?
fiery flame
Only heavies and TDs have that kind of pen...
grave bear
Why would you do 1v1 brawl agaist a vk100 in your med tank? your're probably in the othsr side of the map
weary spindle
Yea when he Is stationary you can pen it, maybe.
deft owl
@fiery flame Tank is fine you suck.
grave bear
Tell me why you're supposed to pen a super heavy frontally ALL THE TIME
@fiery flame 80% of tier 8 tanks have more than 225 pen, using gold or ap
daring junco
You just contradicted yourself. You said the cupola is not penable by heavies but you just said only heavies and tds have that pen. In that case, why are you taking a light or a med head on against a super heavy.
grave bear
if you use AP against the most armored tier 8 tank isnt my fault, cheers
oh, now heavies have bad gun...
230mm is enough to pen around the whole cupola
weary spindle
@grave bear not all time but heavys have bad guns and you need to hit smal amount of cupola.
lunar niche
Wonder if he tries to pen E3 frontally in a med or batchat
grave bear
and if you aim bad isnt a problem of tanks balance
fiery flame
Sheesh there is no getting through to you people...
grave bear
you guys think for some reasons that all tanks should be penetrable by all tanks in all situations, totally jumping over heavy tankers' skill, what a stupid noob game it would be.
fiery flame
The VK requires very little skill to play 😂
winged barn
Lol. I have no problem killing them
grave bear
new balance purpose:
im in my vk100, nerf LTTB speed because we were 1v1 and we draw because i wasnt able to catch him.
And it's only a tier.7!?
sharp wind
They ought to nerf the cheeks of the VK100
lunar niche
Vk requires very little skill against players with no skills.
daring junco
Exactly
winged barn
@lunar niche you are the voice of reason
grave bear
haha , as if is3 needs skills to be played.
sharp wind
That way you would learn how to play a Maus in the process
fiery flame
Well how often are you facing a team of super unicums who can aim, when I play blitz everyone acts like they have a potato for a brain
grave bear
Ohh, so you have no problems aiming vk 100? .
what a fun fact! nooobs are useless and cant hit nothing
nerf all heavies because 30wr bots cant pen them
another fun fact: im super unicum and i have no troubles penning vk100 frontally with my Panther I (using standard ap ammo with 198 pen)
fiery flame
Nerf it so that at least 50% bots stand a chance lol
grave bear
and when i dont have a bot against me, but a skilled player? he just rekt me ezly? what a 1000 IQ thing
winged barn
This guy probably wants it to be a tog in tier 8
grave bear
tanks are balanced by super unicums vs super unicums, not by Handless 8 yrs old vs super unicums
daring junco
Welp, im 53% bot, but some how i have enough sense to flank the vk when in a light or med
grave bear
i flanked Vk100 with my tiger II and he was only missing me, probably he was a 30wr bot thinking vk100 is op
wild wigeon
The mini mice are not that bad though in a tier VII med if you bump into one you'll have a tough time if you are unable to get around or behind them. I should know I am a stonk tenk
quick lichen
I almost want to say that the vk 100 isn’t op, but it plays against mostly bots. You can’t expect to win a 1v1 from the front against one. Use team work and crossfire to attack it from multiple angles or ignore it till the end. It’s not op against good players, it’s just very strong
unique scaffold
It refreshes the IS meta, people just aren’t used to it. Let this tank be
quick lichen
It’s such a nice escape from is spam. And if you’re good, you can angle and side scrape ☺️
unique scaffold
Just had a match in my T49 where three half health red tanks let me drive behind them, aim in, and one shot kill them with high alpha HE shots right in the rear. Before the match even ended there were "T49 is OP" and "Nerf T49" calls over global. No you big dummies. You let me fight you on my terms and because of that you died.
The same goes for the VK.100. It is only OP if you fight it on its terms. Don't let it play to it's strengths, instead play to yours.
quick lichen
E100 was “op” till everyone finally decided to load heat
unique scaffold
Or flank it, or get behind it...
If you park in front of a Super Heavy you're probably going to die.
So... Don't park in front of a super heavy.
And people finally decided to load HEAT right when it got the nerf lol
quick lichen
“Why aren’t my ap rounds penning the upper plate? This tank is broken”
unique scaffold
bUt I cOuLd PeN tHe T34 UpPeR pLaTe WhY nOt SaMe WiTh ThE sUpEr HeAvY
foggy aurora
T110E5 needs a heavy buff
hidden scaffold
Why? you have a good hull down tank with pen and dpm that isn’t horrifically slow
quick lichen
E5 is so balanced it’s forgettable
unique scaffold
USA = the balanced nation on WoTB
quick lichen
It’s the most bland tree because it’s so average and balanced
It’s almost impressive
warm moss
T95: gun gun more gun
urban sleet
chieftain t95 fix the turret
quiet ledge
American heavies are balanced, yes but if you put them in a match with tanks that aren't, that's a different story
tribal osprey
twilit crystal
maybe a 30 hp buff would be fine
chilly trout
Vk 1000 p that Maus at t8 is Legit op in every way
glossy estuary
@quick lichen E5 and the M103 deserve 10 degrees of gun depression.
summer notch
Hey, can the Chrysler K not be broken in this version of the game? Is that possible? I genuinely would hate having that controversy over on Blitz
glossy estuary
@quick lichen Just making discussion. You do have input though as a competitive tourney player. 👍🏻
quick lichen
I think they’re fine as is honestly
grave bear
guys, i cant overmatch Te5's turret roof with my 15cm gun because it's 51mm?
that thing just kills e100's gun advantage..
jovial kernel
suck it up and drive a T110E4 or something
split mesa
Lol good thing i just bought it lol
crystal spoke
Which jagd
rare jewel
Which jag? There is a jag tiger jag pather and jag tiger 88 @deep pike
quartz crown
pls buff jag 88
crystal spoke
The jagd 8.8 is pretty good where it is maybe a slight traverse buff but I think its balanced as is
summer notch
Why do we have the VK 72.01 and not the Pz. Kpfw. VII
Apparently they are two different tanks
Well, more accurate two “different tanks” with the only difference bing the gun lol.
Honestly It would make more sense for the 128mm to be on the tank
deep pike
@rare jewel jageroo
coarse harness
Let's see why are you cry about it🙄
fringe summit
Stock VK 100.01 (P) is horrible, 15s reload for only 310 alpha with 200mm pen... No thanks
empty verge
but 200 pen is gud tho...
fringe summit
Not enough when you face another VK 100.01 (P)
empty verge
it can if caught from side
unique scaffold
Oh Lord. Are we doing the VK.100 thing again.
empty verge
ok now who agrees sp1c needs a buff from 3.5 to 3secs???
blazing rain
How to mute announcement like (enemy armor is damage)
unique scaffold
@empty verge. That would be a good buff for the SP1C
jovial kernel
SP 1 C can use any help it'll get
empty verge
it must cuz amx has 2sec and sp1c is 3.5 plus it has only 58km/h waaaht??
unique scaffold
Agreed. Buff SP 1 C : 3s between shells and for German engineering sake give it back its amazing pen!
empty verge
the pen is gud but its slower, i am currrently playin it aced it 3 times
dry thorn
So many people underestimate the SP 1 C
unique scaffold
But the pen isn’t what it used to be. IMO all tier 7 meds and lights deserve a pen buff, but SP 1 C was always supposed to have good pen to compensate low shell velocity.
I still like this tank but it feels underpowered. I aced it like 2 or 3 times with 1600 to 1800 damage (tier 6 is usually like 2500) with a bit of spotting dmg and supremacy points.
Who here played it before the nerf? It was just amazing
empty verge
yea its a devil just now an rhm underestimated mee and got killed!! i aced it for 3000 dmg lol
@unique scaffold i did i played the pre-nerf with 2sec reload and it was op
unique scaffold
True. But it got overnerfed. Pen nerf was unnecessary and reload nerf went too far
It could at least get 3s instead of that 3,5
unique scaffold
empty verge
anything!
unique scaffold
268 is IMO already a very good and versatile tank. Any buff would make it OP
empty verge
ok so
lone warren
268 is fine how it is
quiet ledge
Is there a tank with over 15 degrees of gun depression?
keen trout
idk
coarse harness
Nope
That's the max
royal gull
I wonder why the amx 50 100 hasn’t received its deserved buff
I feel sad for the tank as it’s basically a big bread with Le slow reload and bad dpm
empty verge
its gud how it is back when it came out it had 4 shells in its top gun with 225 avg alpha@royal gull its way better now
sturdy idol
Any hints at future buffs to the t95e2? It seems odd that the turret matches 59 Patton but is less armored but e2 weighs more at 44 tons, the fact that the e2 is as heavy as the e6 is also weird. Same platform similar weight but much less armor?. . . Can the thing get a buff just to make it make sense? Either in armor or reduce its weight resulting in improved mobility. . . One or the other would make sense. As it is, it is a mystery what creates all that tonnage. . .
drifting crow
How about the Gravedigger? Wats the nerf for the armor? HUH?
sturdy idol
Gravedigger is a fantasy tank so it doesn’t need to make sense. Anyhow, I do well in it and have no trouble facing them so it feels balanced to me. . . But that’s just me.
grave bear
gravedigger is balanced by the gun, u can use your brain and trade shots, if you know how to aim you can pen with no problems and do always more damage than his f cjing 90 dmg x shell
probably gravedigger needs a buff to its dispersion after shoot, actually it can be used only at <30 meters
unique scaffold
@upbeat tide. Language. Fix that please.
upbeat tide
gravedigger needs a buff?
unique scaffold
@quiet ledge Stock duck had 18 or 19 degrees. The current M2 Medium has 20 degrees of gun depression. 15 isn’t the maximum
upbeat tide
thats only over the ass of the tank right?
wanton apex
@grave bear gravedigger balanced ? In my opinion it is weak even its armour isnt op if u r not blind
unique scaffold
@upbeat tide. Seriously. Read the server rules.
I have a question, when will matchmaking ever get fixed? I get all the moronic 30% wallet warriors on my team with 200 avg dmg and the enemy gets solid players every game, I know I'm a good player but I can't 1v7 ffs, and why did my avg dmg in my Lowe go from 2,424 to 2,398 after a 2,507 damage game? If WG doesn't fix this stupid matchmaking I think blitz will die soon. Put some effort into your game
Matchmaking needs to be fixed. This is why a bunch of my friends quit and I'm close to quitting too
@unique scaffold. Read the pinned messages. Not a place for MM discussion.
Lol, then where is
@unique scaffold u can say "rule violation this, rule violation that" but if you aren't showing me where I can try to fix this game and let wg know it's gonna die if they don't, then what's the point? You've created another problem, not fixed one
Mm is fine. Game isn't broken
@unique scaffold
fiery flame
The game won’t die because of mm
unique scaffold
bahaha okay buddy, Matchmaking isn't fine. Why do you think they fixed pc matchmaking? Because of the same stuff that is happening in Blitz. How is a full team of decent, 50% and up players vs a team of 30% clueless wallet warriors "fair"? I see this time and time again, everyone knows matchmaking is broken, deny it all you want, but it's fairly obvious there's a huge issue with matchmaking. Also how is 6 tier 10's and 1 tier 9 on each team fair? Those t9s are helpless unless they get really good rng. As long as wg thinks mm is fine, the longer the game suffers. Do you even play blitz? If you did you'd know matchmaking isn't 'fine'.
It's the same for everyone. It's what you do that makes the difference.
No, it's not. I can't make a difference when my team gets steamrolled 7-0. I can try my best and get 2k-3k damage at tier 8 which is what I play mostly, but I can't win unless I get balanced matchmaking
fiery flame
I personally don’t suffer from this epidemic of 30% wallet warriors, I think you’re just bad
unique scaffold
You can try to make fake boasts all you want, 64.5% and 1,700 avg dmg isn't bad bahaha.
fiery flame
Well why complain then, you’re doing pretty well
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold. This is why we dont want a MM discussion here. This is what it turns into every single time. Please stop.
@unique scaffold Like I said, then where would one take place? If you aren't showing me where I can talk about matchmaking that doesn't solve anything.
This channel is for vehicle balance. Please take it to #general-blitz-discussion
dim field
64.5% wr but complains that mm is broken and they can't win.
Best listen Spock on this one
unique scaffold
@dim field My recent stats are below 60. Sorry that I'm good and I can carry a lot of games. I'm complaining about when I'm the only person on my team that is above 50%, I still lose 35.5% of my games, that's still quite a few.
dim field
Take the ego down a bit.
unique scaffold
I'm not responding to you suck ups anymore, I'm looking to have a real matchmaking discussion so bye. Insult me all you want, you are behind a screen so doesn't bother me 😃
fiery flame
But see you’re only complaining when you lose, I bet that you don’t care if you absolutely destroy the enemy team full of 40% players
dim field
Move to #general-blitz-discussion if you really wish to continue
unique scaffold
You are playing a mobile game where half the playerbase doesn't care and the other half is taking a dump while playing. The MM can only do so much when it is pulling from a pool like that.
@unique scaffold
Now let's please move this to #general-blitz-discussion
dim field
They posted a thing to general
formal forge
What is the worst stock? Kv4 or leo pt a OR wz120? For me the kv4 cuz i dont have the two meds hehe
hidden frigate
KV for sure. Bad gun, bad turret, bad mobility
formal forge
Just pure pain to unlock his gun also the gun has damn 7.7s AIMING TIME
Pls lower the xp price and also the aiming time
rustic fossil
@wanton apex I have seen too many 45%er in the Gravedigger to believe that it’s not OP. while it is correct hat it’s not Op against T8 tanks (most of them), it is Op against T7 that are not mobile enough t extract from an engagement. penning it is hard with most T7 tanks and almost impossible with many T6 tanks, even from the side. Disclaimer : I don’t have the tank, so above should be taken with a grain of salt.
wanton apex
@rustic fossil man it is just my opinion for me it is easy target even with kv2
rain ivy
I mean, the GD is solid, and is good vs most tanks of it's teir and below. When upteired though your armor isn't as reliable as you face higher caliber guns
Personal experience, but it was the most fun in the Mad Game
Though to put it mildly, it's nowhere near as broke as a Dracula
formal forge
Its only difficult to pen him more harder is when he is facehugging u
drowsy plaza
@formal forge having ground every tank - I can tell you the WZ-120 is the worst period. Makes the PTA look like a cakewalk - the KV-4, not bad at all, I did it in +/-2
opal whale
Are you guys nerfing the fv?
lone warren
The fv215b 183 is being nerfed if you’re referring to that FV