#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 108

jovial kernel Dec 31, 2018, 11:11 PM

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@elfin marlin the 57mm shakes the 80 ton grave digger more than the 88mm gun shakes the ~60 ton tiger 1. Even the IS has a softer recoil with a 122mm gun.

inner locust Dec 31, 2018, 11:13 PM

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omg tusbodi ur so right.. I'm in the american servers and I'm getting like 100 ping and I'm playing with people that get 10

real grove Jan 1, 2019, 12:45 AM

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@vast ermine i agree completely i am in australia and average 230 ping

humble olive Jan 1, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Very true about the ping, but some people also play on "bad" devices so they get problems with fps too...

iron hearth Jan 1, 2019, 1:18 AM

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my average ping is like 30 👌

lament vessel Jan 1, 2019, 1:22 AM

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My is 250...

red condor Jan 1, 2019, 1:27 AM

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I run 60fps with avg. 60 ping

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If it goes lower, it lags, higher, it lags..

vivid citrus Jan 1, 2019, 1:54 AM

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Ping under 20 from here

jovial kernel Jan 1, 2019, 2:32 AM

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I play with 60 fps 80ms ping and about 2% packet loss

empty verge Jan 1, 2019, 7:20 AM

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i guess the sp1c should be a little faster as much as lttb

cunning vapor Jan 1, 2019, 7:38 AM

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Also 2 sec reload

narrow terrace Jan 1, 2019, 10:28 AM

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Spic is super low compared to LTTB

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 1:00 PM

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All tier 7 lights except the Bulldog and Type 62 could use a buff. Especially the SP1C

inner comet Jan 1, 2019, 1:09 PM

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Lttb doesn't need a buff

coarse harness Jan 1, 2019, 1:23 PM

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The T71 was decent when i played it, but that was more than a year ago🙄

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 1:49 PM

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tbh lttb doesn't need buff ~~what i need is the stock gun get up tiered without any stats change so i could use it on rating~~

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~~because who need a really long gun when you could achieve 100% manueverability there a very unpopular opinion~~

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and about spc... i dunno fam it's already satisfying with current stats but everyone just want more from this boi

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more shell velocity maybe? since the current one really slow

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because using SPC kinda equivalent to using Revolver in FPS Game

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 2:08 PM

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Shell velocity was supposed to be slow, to compensate high pen and damage. But now that they nerfed the pen to hell, made the autoloader slower, it has nothing really good on it...even speed is lower than all tier 7 lights

lament vessel Jan 1, 2019, 2:25 PM

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SPIC is the worst light in t7 IMO...

tiny cairn Jan 1, 2019, 2:40 PM

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what about t71 lol

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 2:47 PM

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T71's 100 times better

austere saffron Jan 1, 2019, 3:12 PM

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🤔

haughty latch Jan 1, 2019, 3:13 PM

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@unique scaffold I think alpha should be buffed or at least The reloading time, kpf70 is a very situational tank

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 3:16 PM

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I agree. The alpha for the T49 and the kpf should be buffed to KV-2 levels.

cunning compass Jan 1, 2019, 3:20 PM

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T71 One of the worst? Gimme a brake @tiny cairn

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unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 3:29 PM

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As it stands right now, in my opinion the only tier VII tech tree light worth playing is the Bulldog.

dense sleet Jan 1, 2019, 3:40 PM

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Here something for balance discussion, wargaming needs to get its mm straightened tf out, not give me 3 AFK's AT ONCE, and the game before this i had 2 afk's and 3 other people did 0 dmg, at tier 8 and up there is no excuse to do 0 dmg unless u were ammo racked , but these teams are just straight up bad and afk, the other thing wargaming needs to balance out is not letting kids buy prem tanks if they havent earned the tier, cause i lost a game because a kid with 34 games, 32% wr, 200 avg dmg, HAD 2 TIER 8 prem tanks and had a earned tier of 3, those are the kids that ruin the game because they buy a prem tank at a high tier then cant play the tier

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scenic hound Jan 1, 2019, 3:43 PM

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That is bs man, I feel your pain

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Read the pinned messages @dense sleet

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This isn't the place to cry about mm

dense sleet Jan 1, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Its balance discussion

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im saying they need to balance out the mm so people such as myself dont get bottom of the barrel teams and then these good players get decent players and other god players

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Look at the pinned messages. This isn't the place.

cedar mist Jan 1, 2019, 4:08 PM

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You can use #general-blitz-discussion for discussing about the matchmaker.

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 4:57 PM

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well then just buff the velocity since the pen already nerfed and autoloader is now slower... simple right?

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 4:58 PM

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But it wouldn’t help it at all, it needs a bit more pen and at most 3s reloading between shells, it has been over nerfed

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 4:58 PM

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aside from that mine opinion
spc still fun to play atleast they not removed the autoloader like in the PC

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if they remove it nah there i would like to complain it but the autoloader still fun to play for now so yeah i wouldn't much complain

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 5:00 PM

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I like to play SP 1 C but come on, I ace it with 1600 dmg

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 5:01 PM

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because nobody see spc interesting anymore since T49 coming duh... ofc you will get easier Ace Mastery since everyone leaving SPC

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well atleast that is my opinion because you literally could be 1 shooted with it

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well that is just what if scenario when getting high tiered

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Well I’m careful enough to avoid derps generally
But that 3.5s between shells disabled the autoloader since you can easily get cover and avoid the 2nd shell, and I think all tier 7 meds and lights deserve a pen buff, especially SP 1 C that had a strong pen

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 5:18 PM

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well i could agree that yeah some meds gonna appreciate some pen buff
3.5s enough to do 2x200+ shell with spc great gun depression (yeah i know because it's supposed to be like that) and because the maneuverability is really support it so i don't think it's necessary to reduce the shell loading time

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lemme say this again "playing SPC is like you playing FPS game with a revolver, you need to know how to unload everything in right time"

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well that is if you really want to maximize damage

carmine oracle Jan 1, 2019, 5:52 PM

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That’s actually really accurate

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Well comparing WoTB to FPS game is weird but ok
But I still think that 3.5s is too much and 3s at most would be fine

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 5:55 PM

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there is arcade shooting fps and theoretically WoTB is Arcade shooter with both TPS and FPS

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 5:56 PM

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But we’ve got tanks and not humans, with armor and different roles

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 5:58 PM

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are you implying First Person are only applicable to human? it's also mean where you put the Camera, where you put the FOV, etc so it's applicable

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there is also First Person in story/novel

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Nope I’m just saying that a tank game is different than a game with humans, regardless of the camera position

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:02 PM

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it's still same duh atleast in the paper
well anyway 3.5s shell reload is enough... take it or leave it

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:05 PM

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3.5s is too much, because T71 can just outperform it
3.5 could be okay if SP 1 C had better mobility

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:06 PM

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its already have the maneuverability it's needed duh and then you compare it with a 3x150 shell autoloader tank?

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you can't compare SPC with other lts on it's tier and that is truth

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Do you understand what I meant ? T71 can do the job of SP 1 C, but better, although it’s not its role, this is the problem
What WG did was literally give a tank a good gun to compensate bad mobility and shell velocity, then nerfed the gun.

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Comparing SP 1 C to other tier 7 LTs would make no sense if there was no problem about this SP 1 C

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:11 PM

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T71 can do SPC job
there you wrong

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also implying autoloader 200x2 shell not already a way to compensate an lts to keep competitive in it's tier

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spc is just leaved by it's user because the current T49 meta

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:14 PM

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But it’s not competitive anymore due mostly to bad pen
And T49 is also left behind because no one can handle it correctly

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:15 PM

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and then you think that HEAT pen is a joke?

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:16 PM

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What’s the problem of T49 HEAT pen, it’s literally worse than SP 1 C AP pen

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:17 PM

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duh what i talking about is SPC heat

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it's still enough compared to other and also SPC AP pen still enough to slice everything in it's weakest point except a VKP

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:20 PM

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My bad
I do not use prammo and why would they nerf AP pen on SP 1 C, it wasn’t even overperforming
People just complained about SP 1 C platoons unloading 900 dmg in 2 secs
But just make the autoloader 3s and the pen 180 would bring it back into the meta

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:21 PM

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see that red arrow? that is the AP pen you talking about
see other pen?

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unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:22 PM

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160 is still very bad. Btw do you see that 160 pen American 76mm?
And look how awful the DPM is, although that stat isn’t that relevant

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Others LTs also have the manœuverability to flank properly

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:24 PM

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and you said the maneuver+gun depression still not enough?

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Gun depression is good, but pen isn’t clearly what it used to be, manœuverability is awful for a light tank

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:27 PM

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its has good terrain resistance for it's class
pen also good enough to keep up with other

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:28 PM

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IMO all tier 7 MT and LT deserve pen buff.
Maybe it has terrain resistance, but other LTs have just better speed and acceleration, so it doesn’t’ really matter

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:30 PM

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when the acceleration is important, it's render useless without good terrain resistance

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you should try play LTTB in 100% maneuverability if you don't believe it

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:33 PM

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I played all tier 7 LTs
What’s the point of terrain resistance if your engine can’t make you move ? LTTB, T71, M41 and AMX 13 75 had no problem reaching their top speed, without equipment and provisions

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:34 PM

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and so spc

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:34 PM

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But its top speed is lower
And it has less acceleration because of low engine power

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:35 PM

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you could always pick lttb if you want speed
also you not played every tier 7 lts btw

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Ok I do not played Type 62 but all tech tree LTs tier 7
T49 ATM seriously ?

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:37 PM

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and one more you forget mention there is other lts in tier 7 too

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:38 PM

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T49 ATM is a T49 downgraded to tier 7, not balanced and removed from the game. It has no importance in our tier 7 balance discussion
AMX 13 57 is kind of special and I wouldn’t compare it others

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:39 PM

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there

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Let’s talk tech tree
AMX 13 57 is too unique

smoky yoke Jan 1, 2019, 6:39 PM

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It was not removed because of imbalanced , it was removed course the event for the tank was over

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:40 PM

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fair enough but amx 57 f is still lts

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Ikr, I didn’t’ say that T49 was removed because unbalanced, I said that it had never been balanced cause it was for fun
AMX 13 57 is too unique, we can’t compare it to others

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Why play any tier 7 tech tree light when you can just play the Type 62?🤷‍♂️

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@unique scaffold
Because I’m poor

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:42 PM

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let me tell you again SPC is fine as long as you

didn't remove the autoloader
2.has good balance between weight to ratio, terrain resistance, and acceleration
3.reduce the gun depression
also said that by who own E25
down me got point

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Then play the Bulldog.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l0NwKAlZzZ9pyi9fa/giphy.gif

Giphy

late tiger Jan 1, 2019, 6:42 PM

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@unique scaffold not a lot of people can afford buying everything in the shop including me...

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:43 PM

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play bulldog then simple right?

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:44 PM

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@sleek vault why would owning E 25 make any point in our LT discussion ? This little TD has nothing to do here.
And SP 1 C has worst tier 7 p/w ratio + autoloader is meh

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:44 PM

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Because I’m poor

ok re***d

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:44 PM

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Bulldog really does leave the competition behind when it comes to tier 7 tech tree lights.

smoky yoke Jan 1, 2019, 6:45 PM

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"T49 ATM is a T49 downgraded to tier 7, not balanced and removed from the game." Cough Cough

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:46 PM

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@sleek vault I bought it 2 years ago, now my situation has evolved lol
@smoky yoke not balanced and removed from the game doesn’t means removed from the game because unbalanced. It just means that it has nothing to do in balance discussion, since it was only fun event

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The most irritating thing about the T49 ATM was right after the update that nerfed the standard T49 the ATM was still in play. That stupid thing had the module dmg that the T49 used to have but at a tier lower.

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Btw I prefer AMX 13 75 over M41. I like autoloaders

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:47 PM

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T49 ATM is WG Social experiment btw "so what if we put a T49 in tier 7 and see how we could rebalance it after recent backlash from T49"

late tiger Jan 1, 2019, 6:48 PM

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I remember how you just shot another T49ATM/T49 right on the fron and 100% they got ammoracked

smoky yoke Jan 1, 2019, 6:48 PM

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T49 atm is coming back btw

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Eventually

late tiger Jan 1, 2019, 6:48 PM

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@smoky yoke where did you see that information?

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:49 PM

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@unique scaffold. I'm all about gun handling. The M41 has an amazing ability to land shots on the move and with the single shot gun has a 4 second reload. No other tier 7 tech tree light comes close to it when it comes to dpm.

smoky yoke Jan 1, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Mhhmmm to find it now, it was in questions and answers from streams, go to blitzposts and read through you will eventually find it

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:50 PM

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On the subject of being poor... I picked up the Lorraine this morning and it is awesome.

sleek vault Jan 1, 2019, 6:51 PM

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im gonna leave it to you
SPC doesn't need decrease in it's shell loading
it's still competitive even with 3.5 s

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:51 PM

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@unique scaffold well I find that meh since it’s meds job to deal dmg and they do it better, I prefer the nice spotting abilities with autoloader that can be dissuasive, deal 480 dmg then run away

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To each their own.

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Personally I think anything over 2.5 seconds when it comes to interclip reload is way too long. Why play a SP1c with a 3.5 second interclip when I could play a M41 with a straight 4 second reload? Sure you've got higher alpha but when it comes down to putting out the hurt a M41 really has much more potential.

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Sure, the M41 gun can do a good job and the mobility is lovely

late tiger Jan 1, 2019, 6:56 PM

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@unique scaffold than you do not like IS3 defender

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 6:57 PM

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I don't have one and have zero interest in Soviet Heavies.

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I'm not a fan of playing heavies at all. I'm very much a mobility over armor type of player.

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Oh I’m not the only one
Well I like IS-2Sh but this one’s more of a German VK45.02B than another IS tanks

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Give me a mobile tank with a good gun and good gun depression and I'm happy. Armor is for pansies.

late tiger Jan 1, 2019, 6:59 PM

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@unique scaffold I like meds and lights too most played tanks are from those classes but I got the IS3 defender from the unlucky spin and I absolutelly love it with the 7.5 sec interclip reload (no sarcasm)

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Enjoy it man but like I said that isn't my type of party.

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Mobility and armor are for yoloers. A big gun is what a tank needs
A 183 player

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That same player thinks their tank will blow up if they leave spawn. @unique scaffold

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@unique scaffold How dare you, no one was supposed to know that !

smoky yoke Jan 1, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Bring back the 1.3 reload on amx 13 75 that would show you a good time, I used that tank for the Vindicator event and dominated, I literally went on a 60 win streak, to a point where tier 7s were suiciding on me xD. I refuse to play it at the 2 second reload , doesn't have the same impact as before

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I remember just off loading and running away, as you can see I haven't played it in a year

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Well I still love this tank, with 1,3s and un-nerfed accuracy too much people were using it as a TD (well not even as a TD, just kemp bush 4 the W)

smoky yoke Jan 1, 2019, 7:05 PM

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Well If you played it before the nerf , you understand the pain of seeing how the tank turned out afterward, all beaten and bruised into submission with all honor and glory taken.

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 7:06 PM

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I agree that they could have kept 1.3s reload since they nerfed accuracy

smoky yoke Jan 1, 2019, 7:13 PM

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That would have been great

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I would still have it in my garage if that would have been the case

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 7:14 PM

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BLITZ has a history of excessive nerfs. I've long said that the Blitz development team should have a hidden department that takes any proposed balance changes and divides them by 2 before they hit the game.

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But have you noticed that those excessive nerfs mostly hit lights and meds, and when they hit LT/MT, they’re not undone?

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Yes

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I wonder why they give advantage to HT/TD over LT/MT

jovial kernel Jan 1, 2019, 7:21 PM

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because why should skill be viable

grave bear Jan 1, 2019, 7:50 PM

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because as in wot pc(but in a minor impact) mt and lt are op

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 7:51 PM

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They’re not OP at all
Meds spamming prammo are annoying, yeah but not OP

grave bear Jan 1, 2019, 7:51 PM

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maybe not for playerbase, but for superunicum it is
NOW they"re not op, before tier X meds nerf they were op, like tier XI tanks

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they had all more pen and more turret armor, also more difference of dpm, go flank in hulldown and win 100% of the time
now , lucky us, isnt like this

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 7:52 PM

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True

grave bear Jan 1, 2019, 7:53 PM

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t62a against you = lost battle (costant 300 dmg every 5 seconds because no one was able to pen its turret when driven by super unicums)

lunar niche Jan 1, 2019, 8:12 PM

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Still unnerfed on pc. But they have a lot of broken/op tanks.

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Because lights and mediums allow a skilled player to use mobility and map knowledge to a better effect then heavies or TD's. This isn't saying that good players don't play those tanks just that they (in most cases) cannot affect the course of a battle like a well drive light or med. By nerfing these tanks Wargaming is indirectly trying to nerf skill. That is not easy to do though and by nerfing a tank to the point that will affect a skilled player they make the tank very hard for the average player to be successful in.

At least that is how I see it.

deft owl Jan 1, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Maps needs to be fixed. Meds and lights should have enough place flank heavies. In current maps its nearly imposible to flank without getting spotted. Maps needs to be bigger.

frigid musk Jan 1, 2019, 10:05 PM

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I mean I kinda agree but sometimes the problem is simply people not the map as in people completely forget about certain routes and bushes

cunning compass Jan 1, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Ye most noobs doesnt have any map awarness

harsh oriole Jan 1, 2019, 10:18 PM

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even in tier 7

frigid musk Jan 1, 2019, 10:18 PM

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In all tiers

harsh oriole Jan 1, 2019, 10:19 PM

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some premium tanks are outright op

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ik they are supposed to be hard to get and payed but look at the t150 and t-34-85 rudy.Out-dps most heavies and some TDs

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rudy even fires faster than a t25/2

sly rivet Jan 1, 2019, 10:23 PM

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How about the Gravedigger, with the ability to shoot holes in you at quick succession, unfair advantage

sudden pier Jan 1, 2019, 10:28 PM

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T25/2 has a 90mm gun tho, it has higher DPM than the Rudy @harsh oriole

harsh oriole Jan 1, 2019, 10:28 PM

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how come i lost a 1v1 against rudy without failing a shot.oh yeh the hp

sudden pier Jan 1, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Honestly I don't know how you did, were you fully upgraded with the top gun, provisions and a gun rammer?

harsh oriole Jan 1, 2019, 10:29 PM

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top everything

frigid musk Jan 1, 2019, 10:30 PM

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I mean Dpm means nothing if you don't have the hp to be constantly in front of their gun

sudden pier Jan 1, 2019, 10:31 PM

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True, Rudy does have more HP and better armour, the T25/2 is honestly a glass cannon

unique scaffold Jan 1, 2019, 10:39 PM

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Uhm, the Rudy is basically a T-43

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It is good. It isn't OP.

crystal spoke Jan 1, 2019, 10:53 PM

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@sudden pier it's also a great sniper

sudden pier Jan 1, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Yeah I loved it, the T28 PROTOTYPE tho.
Talk about underpowered @crystal spoke

crystal spoke Jan 1, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Yeah...I don't have it maxed though

sudden pier Jan 1, 2019, 10:56 PM

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The prototype needs a armour buff or a health buff

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The guns fantastic tho

crystal spoke Jan 1, 2019, 10:57 PM

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I'd say hp buff bc it has decent armor if angled

lament vessel Jan 1, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Yes, T28 needs a buff...

dim field Jan 1, 2019, 11:14 PM

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Id like it if T28 got at least some kind of engine buff or something it's got a tier 6 engine.

red condor Jan 2, 2019, 12:08 AM

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The T26E4 needs a better engine... tier 6 engine in a tier 8... I could probably beat a T26E4 in a race with the kv5, which has a much more powerful engine and the same speed.

unique scaffold Jan 2, 2019, 12:32 AM

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Kpfpz 70 needs at least a reload shortened of 1 sec without rammer. 16.6 seconds is too much for a 152 mm American gun who does 530 dmg instead of 640 like the 150-152-155 mm other guns

unique scaffold Jan 2, 2019, 1:11 AM

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152mm guns in general need to be looked at. There is certainly a lack of consistency in their capabilities.

smoky yoke Jan 2, 2019, 2:02 AM

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People need to understand having a bigger map would be tuff on low spec phones. Until the majority of people can have iphone or samsung level specs then they can make bigger maps

timid oxide Jan 2, 2019, 2:58 AM

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@unique scaffold +1

unborn vector Jan 2, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Mav...

unborn vector Jan 2, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Who...

smoky sierra Jan 2, 2019, 6:05 AM

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Its conqueror is good or not

remote basin Jan 2, 2019, 6:55 AM

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buff the T-34-3 reload, 13.5sec with rammer on a med, amazing

deft owl Jan 2, 2019, 7:21 AM

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@unique scaffold Rudy is a t-43 with better gun handlings and dpm but worse hp pool and view range.

coarse harness Jan 2, 2019, 9:05 AM

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,,Iphone or samsung level specs..."
There are chinese phones with the same, or even higher specs than Samsungs for less than half of the price.

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This years midrange processor, the Snapdragon 636 is able to run the game on Full graphs 50-60 FPS.
You can buy a phone with this SoC for just about 200-250€

astral lava Jan 2, 2019, 11:05 AM

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@smoky sierra Conqueror is the best gun you can find on tier 9 😃

smoky sierra Jan 2, 2019, 12:45 PM

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@astral lava okey, but look

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Im stock gun and fight tier 10 :(

fringe summit Jan 2, 2019, 1:03 PM

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Stock tier 9.... Oof

unique scaffold Jan 2, 2019, 1:06 PM

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Try stock toirtoise at tier 10

lone warren Jan 2, 2019, 1:06 PM

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@astral lava uh no tortoise has it

iron lynx Jan 2, 2019, 1:06 PM

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Try stock ST-1

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Or Leopard PTA

lone warren Jan 2, 2019, 1:08 PM

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The top gun will make it worth it. It runs really smooth on the fv215b too

quiet ledge Jan 2, 2019, 1:19 PM

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I don't think the top tier leopard is actually good, you can get the E 50m as your German tier 10 medium and I think it's much better at least you'll be able to bounce some shots unlike the leopard which swallows alot of HE... I personally am still going for the E 50m while I'm actually much closer to the leopard

fringe summit Jan 2, 2019, 1:47 PM

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Leopard 1 has a better gun and view range

thick condor Jan 2, 2019, 1:53 PM

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It can flex much better as well. But overall i gotta agree woth ya, e50m is in a great state atm

lone warren Jan 2, 2019, 2:36 PM

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weird flex

empty verge Jan 2, 2019, 2:39 PM

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sp1c is gud but it sometimes gets bullied by lttb and "vampires"

inner comet Jan 2, 2019, 2:40 PM

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And pretty much every other tank

unique scaffold Jan 2, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Sp1c desperately needs a buff.

empty verge Jan 2, 2019, 2:46 PM

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if its speed was 65+?

unique scaffold Jan 2, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Nah in the gun department.

empty verge Jan 2, 2019, 2:51 PM

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u mean the reload between magazines ,which was nerfed

copper slate Jan 2, 2019, 3:35 PM

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buff WZ-113 ammo capacity from 34 to 48 pls

empty verge Jan 2, 2019, 3:42 PM

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for the sp1c the speed to 68plz

terse marten Jan 2, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Make chineses lights pls ^^

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and a handbrake 😄

quick lichen Jan 2, 2019, 4:07 PM

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@remote basin buff your playstyle. T-34-3 doesn’t play like a normal medium. If you need dpm, you’re playing it wrong

jovial kernel Jan 2, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Raik back at it again with the harsh truths

terse marten Jan 2, 2019, 4:20 PM

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make a REAL MM with player's stats I can't play with these noobs who rush in RHM, die and flame all players !

quick lichen Jan 2, 2019, 4:26 PM

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@terse marten you’re telling me that wg or someone has the time to intentionally rig games to ruin your day?

terse marten Jan 2, 2019, 4:27 PM

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not only today... it's EVERY days

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i founded RHM who rush, now a tiger 2 who camp at spawn and play only HE and a little great isu who rush vs 3 heavys and 2 meds

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if i send all replays with trollers and noobs wargaming will have arround 40 tickets per day...

lunar niche Jan 2, 2019, 4:31 PM

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We all get those kind of people man.

unique scaffold Jan 2, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Same teams we all get. @terse marten. It's what you do that makes the difference. Also check the pinned messages here. This isn't the place to cry about MM.

terse marten Jan 2, 2019, 4:41 PM

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if it's to play like that we can all do another account and play full HE so......

quick lichen Jan 2, 2019, 4:42 PM

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There is no mm issue. Take off the tin foil hat please

terse marten Jan 2, 2019, 4:42 PM

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so where @unique scaffold ? on the forum ? he is dead french admins are disconnected every day... on channels in game ? i will be flame by noobs... on the game ? same as channels so i make it here

quick lichen Jan 2, 2019, 4:42 PM

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It’s a small percentage of players ruining the games. Either dumb, troll or afk

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Happens to everyone

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This

terse marten Jan 2, 2019, 4:43 PM

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and what is the percentage of players without 50% or more who play now ?

unique scaffold Jan 2, 2019, 4:44 PM

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@terse marten. how about you realize that we are all affected by the same teams and it's what you do that makes the difference? Then instead of griping here or on the forums about matchmaking work on what you can do to improve the situation. Just an idea.

terse marten Jan 2, 2019, 4:46 PM

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an idea ? why you don't make players stats in the MM ? as 0%/50% and 50%/100% start on T5

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another idea ? 0/900 average damages and 900/infinity

ebon compass Jan 2, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Why are you still on about matchmaking in this channel?

unique scaffold Jan 2, 2019, 4:48 PM

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And watch wait times go through the roof? No thanks.

Anyway I'm done with this discussion. This isn't the place to cry about matchmaking. End of story.

clever mauve Jan 2, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Since they are reselling collectible vehicles, do you think they might be buffed one day? Like for instance the kpfw B2 ~ it’s slightly worse in every area than the B1 from the tech tree

jovial kernel Jan 2, 2019, 4:50 PM

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the B2 never has to face tier 5 though

unique scaffold Jan 2, 2019, 4:50 PM

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@clever mauve correct me if I'm wrong but the B2 has preferential MM and never sees tier V.

clever mauve Jan 2, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Ohhhh

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Interesting! I have no idea. I still enjoy my su76I with a high win rate but I hear the combat car is a meme tank lol terrible pen

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Also I wish they would replace AP rounds on the bt7 artillery with heat or something

ebon compass Jan 2, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Why? HE does more damage and has higher pen. Only thing that the AP is good for is shooting thru walls, which heat can’t do

proven helm Jan 2, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Wait a sec there, straight he has little to no penetration. Where as aphe (armor piercing with explosive filler) would do more damage compared to a solid shot ammunition.

lone warren Jan 2, 2019, 5:50 PM

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@clever mauve Yeah. Pz b2 has preferential mm and doesnt see tier fives because the gun is terrible and has incredibly poor pen. I load 90% apcr in it.
The armour is really good going against equal tiers and lower tiers which is the highlight of the tank

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Reading your comment in the news channel, the b2 isn’t underpowered at all. A lot of tanks seriously struggle to pen you

clever mauve Jan 2, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Okay I think I’ll get it then !

drowsy plaza Jan 2, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Yes its terrible 🤪

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pine tinsel Jan 2, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Seal clubbin (ish) tank

lone warren Jan 2, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Pretty seal clubby

clever mauve Jan 2, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Nicee

rotund bison Jan 2, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Not bad...

balmy cipher Jan 2, 2019, 7:37 PM

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the pen on t7 car is way too low

lone warren Jan 2, 2019, 7:48 PM

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drive a light vic

severe bough Jan 2, 2019, 8:53 PM

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I used to have the T7 car, loved the thing for some reason lol

jovial kernel Jan 2, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Lol get used to it everyone has those games

normal sky Jan 2, 2019, 9:16 PM

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It's funny to see how Stupid-Wargaming made me lost 4 battles after I won 12 in a row just because I was winning, putting me in team with noobs and making me going down with 0.01% instead of going up. Stupid-Wargaming doesn't care about noobs, only about money (that's a secret)

lunar niche Jan 2, 2019, 9:16 PM

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MM is the same, problem is the playerbase that refuse to improve.

sly rivet Jan 2, 2019, 9:17 PM

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The problem with you so called pros is your ego, and you use the WR as a form of abuse, I may have 48.43 but before Christmas it was 49.24, just because you have high WR means squat as i have battled with players who's stats were 60.15 and they played disgustingly and we lost, many of you so called 50%ers head for the obvious spot on map where the enemy have advantage you skyline and they shoot holes in you happens all the time, so instead of wasting your energy whining about new players how about offering tips and help instead of abuse, as this is a game and there will always be new players. WG is not going to change something they know that works or change for your over enlarged egos...

unique scaffold Jan 2, 2019, 9:24 PM

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How do you get to auction, I've been on site but it just shows what's available, I click on a tank & it just goes to tankopedia? Sry to be so dumb

lunar niche Jan 2, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Won't deny that some 55%+ players i have met were really toxic when they yoloed and died.

Offering tips nowadays is like trying to make a goat speak english.

unique scaffold Jan 2, 2019, 9:30 PM

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@sly rivet ,my wr down .1 since just before Xmas , it's matchmaker not individuals, I have over 50 k battles , I was slowly getting up to 50% , .1% is a massive number of losses, over 6 months of gains with my number of battles lost in 1 month, matchmaker does not seem to use ping either

sly rivet Jan 2, 2019, 9:31 PM

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R3D I disagree I have taken New Players into clan that don't meet clan requirements they have thrived helped by our higher %ers, what most players rather do is abuse because their poor WR goes down, on the Asia server its a language communication problem many times, maybe having a communication for tactics prior to battle would would help heaps as you get mediums and lights going one way and heavies going the other way ending up with no support

lunar niche Jan 2, 2019, 9:33 PM

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@sly rivet I know there are players who will accept help but most i met and tried to help just got me a F** off instead. I've stopped since then.

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Players can improve themselves wether by watching videos or learning the strength and weakness of their tanks. Thats how i improved. Majority of players refuse to improve and just drive and shoot.

sly rivet Jan 2, 2019, 9:39 PM

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I concur Ennui, Australian connection is rubbish i have to log off and on to get yellow ping, I have 23k battles MM is an algorithm so it chooses, R3D patience mate its a game of skill and tactics these are learnt and many dont understand the concept and treat game as first shooter, I learn by my mistakes and i have been guilty of being salty many times but getting banned has changed my perspective and manners my PTSD dont help but thats controlled

unique scaffold Jan 2, 2019, 9:42 PM

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@sly rivet , Agree totally mate

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Been in same emotional coaster as you

sly rivet Jan 2, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Players will not learn if you have MM keep them in lower tiers, WG is a business and will not change MM as they have overheads

lunar niche Jan 2, 2019, 9:44 PM

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@sly rivet Not saying every players under 50% are noobs. I was pointing out how majority of players under 50% refuse to improve.

5K battles is a lot. You learn a lot from that amount of battles. I still see players with 16k/35k battles under 50% wr staying back and sniping with E100/IS 4. That is the problem. They refuse to improve.

unique scaffold Jan 2, 2019, 9:46 PM

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<<<50k + , slow learner , but was having 60% + sessions before silly season started

sly rivet Jan 2, 2019, 9:47 PM

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R3D I totally agree I get abused when using my TDs being called a camper lol my obj or 100y but can say i have never camped one of my HTs

lunar niche Jan 2, 2019, 9:47 PM

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MM is the same no matter what. WG expects random 7 players to work together which does not happen. If you are in a team full of those drive and shoot yoloers, you are gonna lose even if you toon with a 70%.

wheat adder Jan 2, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Why did the whatch video fore 10 gold get removed?

unique scaffold Jan 2, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Went down from 49.68 to 49.58 in one lousy month

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For me that's many many loses after 50k + battles

sly rivet Jan 2, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Enuui Im with you there im still trying to crawl back towards 50% but i now look at WR as a pain and try to up my damage %, and try too win

wheat adder Jan 2, 2019, 9:50 PM

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The amx IV has good armore

sly rivet Jan 2, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Also earning a masters Medal is no mean feat, makes my day when i earn one

unique scaffold Jan 2, 2019, 10:07 PM

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@sly rivet , yep that's the way to go, ignore wr & wr phobes

sly rivet Jan 2, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Just battled most of team were Russian with no english how can this be fair when you cannot communicate?

wheat adder Jan 2, 2019, 10:17 PM

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It says you are supose to get extra tickets when you have a premium accaount and i have that but i dont get extra tickets!

winged barn Jan 2, 2019, 10:33 PM

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How many do you get with premium account?

covert harbor Jan 2, 2019, 10:38 PM

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@sly rivet this is becoming a real problem, Slavs should be on the Russian server. There needs to be a simple direction bar .

drowsy rivet Jan 2, 2019, 11:36 PM

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@sly rivet the issue is people don’t bother to improve, and I try help them by saying go here or there but sniping with e100 is more effective apparently

jovial kernel Jan 3, 2019, 12:16 AM

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You think that's bad? How about a VK 100.01 (P) trying to climb the Castilla TD hill at spawn in a tier 8 game?

coral echo Jan 3, 2019, 1:38 AM

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That's a pro strat right there @jovial kernel

jovial kernel Jan 3, 2019, 1:39 AM

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next level tourney strat

coral echo Jan 3, 2019, 1:40 AM

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We make a tier 8 tourney team, all vk 100 p on castilla

jovial kernel Jan 3, 2019, 1:40 AM

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All stuck eternally trying to climb that hill

high briar Jan 3, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Please create a Tiger 131 camo for the Tiger I
Then change the ingame name to 'Tiger 131'

winged barn Jan 3, 2019, 3:49 AM

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No

jovial kernel Jan 3, 2019, 3:55 AM

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But we do need a Cobra King camo for the Jumbo just for the "First to Bastogne" on the side

high briar Jan 3, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Anyone find the Scorpoin extremely overpowered? It's basically a TD on a MT body

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My Tiger got 1 shotted my a Scorpion

unique scaffold Jan 3, 2019, 4:42 AM

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I play for fun and I’m a unicum in all my tanks but my wr in them is 50 and my overall wr is 62 this play for fun 45 50 40 wr is bs

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But then some I get good wr and some super bad but they all improve over time heavys can help teams the most right like maus not shooting but dp sidescraping everything?

high briar Jan 3, 2019, 4:54 AM

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WAIT... Why is Tankenstein in the German Tech Tree???

jovial kernel Jan 3, 2019, 4:55 AM

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@high briar It has light tank armor and acceleration is barely better than some heavy tanks

severe valve Jan 3, 2019, 6:46 AM

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buff centurion 7/1, it is still bad

jovial kernel Jan 3, 2019, 6:50 AM

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While I'd enjoy a buff I don't think it particularly needs one. I would like the good HESH on the L7B to not be premium ammo though

coarse harness Jan 3, 2019, 9:44 AM

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The cent 7/1 has the worst DPM with regular ammo, but the best with HESH among T9 meds

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But it could use a speed buff to maybe 45 km/h🙄

twin egret Jan 3, 2019, 9:58 AM

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how about no, it already has a wonderful gun, being the best pen among all tier 9 meds and with a turret that is superb which hardly anyone pens unless they aim

elfin marlin Jan 3, 2019, 10:31 AM

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Oh crap... Do we have to aim? 😊

cunning compass Jan 3, 2019, 10:39 AM

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@severe valve Loooool Best Joke so far this year

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Maybe speed buff only, Dpm no need. Maybe buff dpm on the Non HESH gun. Otherwise its Good

deep owl Jan 3, 2019, 11:51 AM

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Please do not nerf the Fv 215b (183)
The reason people want ut to be nerfed because they cannot stand being HESH at their Side and Rear (lol)
The Fv 215b (183) is actually stressful to use,not like u shot 1 and u got a kill bruh
It’s just the salty people being killed by it got their saltyness out-of control

late tiger Jan 3, 2019, 11:53 AM

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@deep owl no the reason is because it pulls of very strange snapshots

deep owl Jan 3, 2019, 11:54 AM

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Pretty wierd yeah..?

late tiger Jan 3, 2019, 11:54 AM

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it is like a KV 2 but faster aimtime and faster turret which make it a bit too good ... but otherwise I think the tank is balanced

deep owl Jan 3, 2019, 11:56 AM

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Plz,do not pull the Kv2 into this,Kv2 is a Meme,Life,and Happiess for everypeople
Conclusion: Kv2 is the tank we hate and we love :3

balmy cipher Jan 3, 2019, 12:04 PM

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@lean forge i think that the pen on t7 car is way too low i bought it and i can pen only some light tanks t1e6 light vic ...

deep owl Jan 3, 2019, 12:06 PM

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Well it was a bit balance in 5.2
Now it’s 5.6.2
A update for low tier,so which means any too O.P tanks in low tier would be removed or be into Collector Tanks or be so nerfed

uncut umbra Jan 3, 2019, 12:06 PM

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Hello I sold a collectible cart and I wanted to ask you if you can get back in exchange for gold

warm meadow Jan 3, 2019, 12:07 PM

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Probably not

uncut umbra Jan 3, 2019, 12:07 PM

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I sold it for 1000 gold

warm meadow Jan 3, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Still I haven't heard of wargaming giving tanks back to people who sold them

late tiger Jan 3, 2019, 12:10 PM

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@warm meadow you can get them back

uncut umbra Jan 3, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Yes?

late tiger Jan 3, 2019, 12:15 PM

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but it is a very long process as you need to contact Support within a year of the bought item/sold item and you need to say the reason you sold it/ bought it and some more stuff ... but if you buy a tank from the auction for example you can not refund it as the price changes every day and that there will be vehicles returning - for example someone buys the last Dracula but then refunds it and a person right after the last Drac was sold checks and he sees that 0 dracs are left but after the player has refunded it another guy comes and sees a refunded dracula and buys it. That way the person in the middle gets screwed @warm meadow

uncut umbra Jan 3, 2019, 12:15 PM

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Thx

unique scaffold Jan 3, 2019, 12:24 PM

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@deep owl. It's getting nerfed bud... And it is about time.

deep owl Jan 3, 2019, 12:25 PM

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;-; waaaaaaaaa

unique scaffold Jan 3, 2019, 12:35 PM

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Choose what to buff in Kpfpz 70:

DPM (now reload is 16.6 sec)
2.Camo (it's nearly useless, everyone can see me it seems, even from far away)
3.Aim time (good for me, but it could use a buff)
4.Alpha (530 now instead of the common 640 of 152 mm guns)

severe valve Jan 3, 2019, 12:46 PM

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@cunning compass loooool, no.

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A tank that is near useless in tier 10 matchups with an unreliable HESH round, poor top speed, and large profile.

unique scaffold Jan 3, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Kpfpz has common HE, not HESH

severe valve Jan 3, 2019, 12:59 PM

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needs a DPM and speed buff dearly

drowsy plaza Jan 3, 2019, 1:16 PM

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@severe valve I’d like a speed boost more than anything else, and then 10mm more pen on HESH 😋

severe valve Jan 3, 2019, 1:16 PM

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how about a DPM buff, remove the HEAT gun because that's not even how it's supposed to be played.

unique scaffold Jan 3, 2019, 1:33 PM

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@severe valve I agree on the 7/1. If someone is using the HEAT gun they are uncultured and should not be playing the tank.

Unpopular opinion. Nearly every medium tank from tier 8 to 10 needs a buff of some sort.

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FYI the Lorraine is awesome.

empty verge Jan 3, 2019, 1:48 PM

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does anyone ever play in same control mode??

severe valve Jan 3, 2019, 1:50 PM

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@unique scaffold WG buffed them, then over nerfed them, then buffed them back to square one. They still need a buff because they are in the exact same spot as they were a year ago.

empty verge Jan 3, 2019, 1:52 PM

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i guess 268 need a small buff in dpm cuz 704 is faster at reload!

cunning kindle Jan 3, 2019, 2:50 PM

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No lol 268 doesnt need a buff

crimson cosmos Jan 3, 2019, 3:00 PM

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@unique scaffold @severe valve I agree with both of you. The 7/1 needs a little something. Not sure exactly what, but something.

Then again, I think all three British Mediums from 8 on up could stand a little love. I actually think the need grows as the Tiers go up.

The FV 4202 just feels so behind the curve with the overbuffing that the Russian Mediums keep receiving. Great gun depression isn’t very important if your turret can’t even bounce lower tier shots.

severe valve Jan 3, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Yeah the tier 8 is awful too

wet cosmos Jan 3, 2019, 3:33 PM

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m4 was made tier 4 from tier 5 in last update, its so much op at tier 4!

warm meadow Jan 3, 2019, 3:41 PM

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How?

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@wet cosmos

coarse harness Jan 3, 2019, 4:09 PM

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There wasn't changes on tank tiers exept the Chaffee went from T5 to 6

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Or i forgot something ?🤔

warm meadow Jan 3, 2019, 4:21 PM

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Yeah I didn't think the m4 got dropped but I don't usually play down at the lower tiers so I could be wrong

high briar Jan 3, 2019, 4:24 PM

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WG please give me a Premium Tank, opened a ton of crates but never got any good Premiums

warm meadow Jan 3, 2019, 4:27 PM

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Wargaming didn't say u had to get a premium tank from the crates only that you you could get 1

proven ridge Jan 3, 2019, 4:37 PM

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I Think i was really lucky to get the predator UM out of the container

warm meadow Jan 3, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Yeah

high briar Jan 3, 2019, 4:51 PM

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I only got a low tier premium

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So useless in my current tier

dim field Jan 3, 2019, 4:52 PM

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What premium?

unique scaffold Jan 3, 2019, 5:07 PM

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How does any of this pertain to balance?

@wet cosmos do you mean the M7?

drowsy plaza Jan 3, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Cent I needs more speed - the gun and DPM are good, but it’s so blinking slow and the turret armor isn’t really that good as the eyebrow is a large weakness. I don’t mind the 7/1 currently, I think it’s in less need of a buff than the the 8 or X.

smoky yoke Jan 3, 2019, 7:52 PM

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Take down the amount of xp needed to get the top guns, it's hilariously bad xD. I grinded at the beginning then stopped, Then Free experience the rest.

coarse harness Jan 3, 2019, 8:38 PM

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The FV 4202 is fine imo.
It has good dpm even without HESH
The mobility is perfectly fine as well.
If they would buff the turret armor, then the tank would be OP as...

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But the Cent 1 is just bad

unique scaffold Jan 3, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Lol

jovial kernel Jan 3, 2019, 8:58 PM

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It'd be really nice if the good HESH on the L7B you find on the Centurion 7/1 and FV4202 wasn't premium ammo so there was the ability to profit if you were actually good at the tank

grim horizon Jan 3, 2019, 9:00 PM

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can you like unnerf the T-150? you made it so sluggish funny enough slower then the KV-4 and KV-2 on hull traverse

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and when is the M4 Sherman getting its premium ammo rebalanced? (stock 75mm) as it still does more damage than its AP shells

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T-150 was nerfed on mobility making it only good in a straight line and the really only thing it has going for it is its armor even tho that is mediocre
21 -> 16 degrees per second on hard terrain
17 -> 13 degrees per second on medium terrain
12 -> 9 degrees per second on soft terrain
just to have a gun module HP buff of 148 -> 160 hp

jovial kernel Jan 3, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Weirdly I find it still playable

grim horizon Jan 3, 2019, 9:07 PM

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i just find is so sluggish and hard to turn on maps like canal

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its hard to keep your front to enemies on maps like that with alot of medium and soft terrain

jovial kernel Jan 3, 2019, 9:09 PM

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yeah but again, I find it weirdly playable

grim horizon Jan 3, 2019, 9:09 PM

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i mean its playable it just under preforms on those maps

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and just for reference i got Clutch braking 4 and engine accelerator and its sluggish as it needs the accelerator to get up and go as it is improved control only gives .7 more degrees per second traverse

shut warren Jan 3, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Hello

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This is the slowest slowmode I have ever seen. Btw I am noob trying to get credits to get tier 5 tank (already have xp) can you help with that?

grim horizon Jan 3, 2019, 9:18 PM

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( #general-blitz-discussion @shut warren

unique scaffold Jan 3, 2019, 9:37 PM

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If Wargaming put 10% of the effort into Blitz as they do in PC world of tanks it might be a half decent game

wet cosmos Jan 3, 2019, 10:19 PM

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@unique scaffold my bad, meant for m7... doesn’t lower tier changes in last update part of rebalance ?

deft owl Jan 3, 2019, 10:30 PM

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@grim horizon Yeah also unnerf the t67.

paper pagoda Jan 3, 2019, 11:59 PM

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Hey I was just accused of hacking plz help

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I was streaming on twitch tho

winter grotto Jan 4, 2019, 12:38 AM

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VK 100.01 (P) too op

cunning compass Jan 4, 2019, 12:39 AM

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Yuz

unique scaffold Jan 4, 2019, 12:48 AM

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@winter grotto not really. I've found that flanking and / or aiming works really well with dealing with them. 🤷‍♂️

winter grotto Jan 4, 2019, 1:04 AM

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you can't even penetrate the side with half of the tanks in tier 7 and 8 like wtf

smoky yoke Jan 4, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Super-heavies, slow but heavily armored

lunar niche Jan 4, 2019, 1:21 AM

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@winter grotto Don't shoot on the bottom side hull.

warm meadow Jan 4, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Yeah plus the vk 100.01 p has the lowest amount of hp of any tier 8 heavy

winged barn Jan 4, 2019, 1:51 AM

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@winter grotto if you use the zoomed in view that this game allows you to do it shows you parts of the tank that you can and cannot pen. The parts that are RED are the places you can pen.

latent copper Jan 4, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Does anyone else think that the waffenträger auf PZ IV needs it's reverse speed buffed? Id be okay if they even took off a bit from its forward top speed and just slapped that value on the reverse speed. Waffenträger is a great tank, don't get me wrong but sometimes it's just kinda sluggish with its 37kmph average forward where even some heavies are outclassing it with speed, I mean have you seen any of the IS tanks, or can I show you the various mediums at tier 9 *cough cough t54 is the one most seen *

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I absolutely love waffenträger because 276mm OF PENETRATION BOI, HIGH SHELL VELOCITY BOI, NOT TOO BAD ACCURACY BOI (you get my point) and not too bad reload at around 9 seconds, not jagdtiger DPM but it's the same top gun just configured for the waffenträger, and it has pretty good camo values so it can stay hidden pretty well . Just the speed needs to be buffed by a tiny bit

fiery flame Jan 4, 2019, 2:56 AM

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@latent copper I think it’s fine as it is, if they buff its speed you will get a similar issue they had with the Grille. The tank is meant to be a sniper thus it doesn’t need a lot of speed like heavies and mediums do.

latent copper Jan 4, 2019, 3:01 AM

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The grille got nerfed badly with speed on blitz but it should live up to its glorious pc counterpart, a highly accurate gun on a low armoured but very maneuverable chassis. It's still viable I think but the waffenträger still needs a very slight speed buff

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I don't mind it being entirely different, like how the AMX CDC isn't the best thing on pc or console but it's great on blitz but that's my opinion, goodnight

fiery flame Jan 4, 2019, 3:04 AM

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Well they nerfed the grille because it was too good, just like they nerfed the Russian mediums because they were too strong, hence now they much weaker that their “glorious pc counterparts”.

twin egret Jan 4, 2019, 3:07 AM

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T-62A has the same dispersion as the Grille 15

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even if both have 100% crew and don't have equipment and provisions

latent copper Jan 4, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Grille has amazing aim time and shell velocity which is the reason it has good sniper capabilities

twin egret Jan 4, 2019, 3:10 AM

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T-62A has a faster aiming time speed ._.

latent copper Jan 4, 2019, 3:11 AM

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I'm unfamiliar with the t62a's statistics

twin egret Jan 4, 2019, 3:11 AM

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T-62A has a faster shell velocity

fiery flame Jan 4, 2019, 3:12 AM

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latent copper Jan 4, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Which brings me to another topic, should I get the 140 or the 62A, I'm 160k on the HEAT-54

twin egret Jan 4, 2019, 3:12 AM

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what you do most

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do you snipe or do you charge in and fire on the move

fiery flame Jan 4, 2019, 3:14 AM

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@latent copper they are both great tanks, T62 has the better gun and a better turret but the 140 has more gun depression, that’s the only difference

twin egret Jan 4, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Obj is more accurate when shooting on the move

latent copper Jan 4, 2019, 3:14 AM

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@fiery flame apcr has high shell velocity, so I won't doubt it having better shell velocity but the grille fires armour piercing rounds as its standard ammunition, so I'm not sure if it's a fair comparison but I do know that apcr has higher penetration loss over distance, making ap better in some long distance engagements

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My playstyle depends on the map entirely, open maps like canal allow me to snipe but dynasty pearl is a lot more suited for brawlers

twin egret Jan 4, 2019, 3:16 AM

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T-62A than, its accurate and has a strong turret

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the t-62A is bigger than the Obj 140 tho so don't expect it be able to turn around effectively in tight corners, paths or corridors
by length btw

fiery flame Jan 4, 2019, 3:19 AM

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It’s hard to decide which one is best, just get both of them and see which one you like more

latent copper Jan 4, 2019, 3:19 AM

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Thanks for that, better armour usually means higher survivability and also higher DPM seems great in 1v1 situations

Gun depression isn't really common in russian tanks so I may be taking the t62A

twin egret Jan 4, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Don't expect having a very good hull tho since it's easily penned by HESH
the front hull is bad

latent copper Jan 4, 2019, 3:20 AM

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I'll get both because I love my t54 and most likely won't sell it so as I farm up more I'll just get them accordingly

twin egret Jan 4, 2019, 3:21 AM

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Obj 140 has a very good hull when using all its -6 degrees of depression, reaches 310+mm

latent copper Jan 4, 2019, 3:21 AM

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Which is the cheaper grind? (the one that's 5k xp less, or something like that) I don't remember the XP costs

storm light Jan 4, 2019, 3:21 AM

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62 is less

twin egret Jan 4, 2019, 3:24 AM

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weird that the WZ-113 costs 200k xp to research

storm light Jan 4, 2019, 3:26 AM

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so does BC 25 t

twin egret Jan 4, 2019, 3:27 AM

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Competitive tanks = the least amount to grind?

jovial kernel Jan 4, 2019, 3:30 AM

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113 is competitive though

unique scaffold Jan 4, 2019, 3:51 AM

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A20 is absolutely horrible

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Trying to go up kv line now wg admits to it having t3 stats but yet doesn’t change it to t3? Why tho

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Not being offensive but that’s easily worst tank in game and I never see any new players even get damage in it

sinful parrot Jan 4, 2019, 4:12 AM

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@jovial kernel yes thats what royal said

jovial kernel Jan 4, 2019, 4:15 AM

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huh. But there's plenty of not so great tier 10s at that mark too

frail temple Jan 4, 2019, 4:55 AM

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How do you guys feel about he T-22 medium?

indigo knot Jan 4, 2019, 4:58 AM

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It is broken with that good armour dpm

crystal spoke Jan 4, 2019, 7:06 AM

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I think they should buff the 17pndrs damage per shot to 190-200 instead of the current 160ish

coral geode Jan 4, 2019, 7:35 AM

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@crystal spoke lol no, 17 pdr is weak sauce gun compared to even 90mm M3, and it's damage pattern is nothing special

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@proven elbow Because you posted on the balance thread a bad game that is of you playing exceedingly poorly in a trash fascist baddie tank.

languid stone Jan 4, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Dear DEVS, the matchmaker is not broken, but some times it is not balanced. 3 unicums against 1 superunicum with scrubs as team, that is a nightmare.

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Anyway, what I am saying is you need to teach these scrubs how to play correctly from the beginning! The tutorial need to be redone. Teach new players what is the meaning of sidescrapping, hulldown, hiding behind bush, etc.. not only shoot 2 small tanks and be done with it. I swear this game has the most horrible beginning tutorial.

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Oh, well probably no devs will read this. The tutorial truly sucks.

wispy tinsel Jan 4, 2019, 9:11 AM

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Brownjob!

ruby kite Jan 4, 2019, 10:45 AM

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Remove the bl 10 from the ISU plz
Like in pc

cunning compass Jan 4, 2019, 10:51 AM

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@ruby kite Lol u wish

tranquil oak Jan 4, 2019, 10:52 AM

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Why @ruby kite

jovial kernel Jan 4, 2019, 10:52 AM

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I don't mind it, it's not like the 260mm pen it's got on PC struggles to pen anything at blitz ranges

dusky oxide Jan 4, 2019, 10:53 AM

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Its not supposed to be 'balanced', its random. But I agree that there should be some tutorials along the way to higher tiers. How can it be that there's so many players sitting on hills and sniping in their heavy tanks while the meds rush enemy heavies head-on and die?

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Too bad ratings dont correlate with a player's stats enough so theres no way to have a perfectly balanced match

jovial kernel Jan 4, 2019, 10:59 AM

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well a good rating doesn't tell you anything about their stats but a 0 or 1 star shows that they're almost always either trolling/blocking or afk

knotty surge Jan 4, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Lol
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unique scaffold Jan 4, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Agree on the idea about the Tutorialimprovement. Maybe make it optional with a small reward like a pz2 or some free Credits for (only) Beginners.

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If Newbies get teached Basics like sidescraping they probably enjoy the game way more, since they get an idea of the complex possibilities this game can offer.

compact shoal Jan 4, 2019, 5:38 PM

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One

lone warren Jan 4, 2019, 6:08 PM

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They should create small videos like they did for pc and put it as an optional thing with the tutorial. Add a gold incentive with each video.

crystal spoke Jan 4, 2019, 6:18 PM

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@coral geode um no there was a reason it could know out any German tank in just a few shots

dusky oxide Jan 4, 2019, 7:37 PM

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For the past 2 months that ive played tier x, its been a very cancerous and unenjoyable experience; what feels like most, and im definite, more than half of my games have lasted 2-3 minutes or have been complete steamrolls. I havent had fun even in a winning game. As I have experimented with different tiers, it seems the only thing that has changed has been how powerful the tanks are. Tier x is a power donkey battle arena. Today i played only 2 battles, one lasted 2.20 minutes and the other ended in my team calling me a coward for not rushing into a cap circle full of enemy tanks with the counter at 0 cap points, but instead trying to flank and play sensibly.

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Even armor wont save a noob these days as he will probably got sit in city alone or just climb a hill and stay there to snipe.

last cairn Jan 4, 2019, 8:36 PM

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The AMX AC 46 should be made smaller and the weak points at the top should be removed, to make it a more competitive tank. It seems like all the French td’s suffer from this problem

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So far, it doesn’t seem to be a popular line, the obj 268 being more common in battles than the Foch 155

jovial kernel Jan 4, 2019, 9:30 PM

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That's because the Obj. 268 is better at literally everything than the Foch 155 other than armor

fossil sigil Jan 4, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Is the OBJ 268 better in mobility?

jovial kernel Jan 4, 2019, 10:32 PM

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no but it does reverse significantly faster :p

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I don't remember every stat mate, don't expect me to get everything right

fossil sigil Jan 4, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Oh and also i would like to talk about the british TD line, from AT2 to Tortoise. I feel like this line lost its role in the game since the maps are getting bigger and more open, making the whole line incapable of following the team. Also jt is too supseptible to flanking since it can’t follow the team! And since it doesen’t have the mobility to poke or chase any tanks, its low alpha dmg makes the whole line, well in my opinion, somewhat obselete. I don’t know if anybody agrees but i feel like it needs a change.

Ooor maby i don’t have any idiea how to play the line wich i doubt so since i have tortoise...

winged barn Jan 4, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Leave the at15 out of those tanks. Permatracking dpm god of tier 8

unique scaffold Jan 4, 2019, 11:25 PM

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The line that leads to the 183 should be as absolutely painful as possible

small orchid Jan 4, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Guys

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I can't be the only one who thinks that the AMX 50 120 extremly needs a gun depression buff

desert stump Jan 4, 2019, 11:33 PM

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i think amx 50 100 120 need a little bit thicker armour or little bit faster reload in between the magazine

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or please just change the type to medium instead of heavy. I

small orchid Jan 4, 2019, 11:35 PM

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The armor and mobility is totally fine, I love the mobility. But the gun depression kills this great tank. It feels like his lowest depression is in the positive area.

fiery flame Jan 4, 2019, 11:47 PM

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The gun depression is the only thing which balances the tank lol, it would be so OP otherwise

unique scaffold Jan 4, 2019, 11:48 PM

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AT line simple try to snipe and wiggle

cunning compass Jan 4, 2019, 11:49 PM

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oк

unique scaffold Jan 4, 2019, 11:49 PM

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What’s sad is my tanks apcr can pen hull of at tanks and there just not great armor

forest pollen Jan 5, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Why even bother to play this game anymore, looks like WG only want new players and don,t want to keep the old ones anymore, why try to play this game when all that happens is that are either put as a tier under or are set up with a newbie team, so whatever u try u lose wr anyway because WG want u to. Maybe they can give me back all my money used in this game since it is been ruined/broken by WG.

lone warren Jan 5, 2019, 12:44 AM

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that wont happen lmao

cursive acorn Jan 5, 2019, 2:51 AM

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actually if could suggest something to devs, they should make it so that a loss with "valiant effort" can be treated as a win for missions. Because it's incredibly frustrating when you try to do those missions where you have to win three times in a row, you do great on the third round but still lose due to afks or other reasons

sly rivet Jan 5, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Hello Devs can you introduce pre battle chat so everyones on game page as Asian server has many languages with little understanding

smoky yoke Jan 5, 2019, 5:29 AM

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@unique scaffold It was not painful to me ,just use the at's as bulldozers and just out dpm everytank you come across

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rain ivy Jan 5, 2019, 8:06 AM

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Balance the idiot population pls, then I'm doing top damage each game but I'm te slowest guy 🤦

elfin terrace Jan 5, 2019, 9:26 AM

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Would be great that all the chat problems got fixed.. too many issues every single day..

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spark star Jan 5, 2019, 10:21 AM

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100.01P side armor needs tuning
probs remove 20mm off the sides

neat yew Jan 5, 2019, 11:08 AM

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Well while I was fairly ignorant against the lower tier rebalancing since I only play V and up, after a few months it's caused a pretty big problem in balancing the upper tiers.

unique scaffold Jan 5, 2019, 11:27 AM

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@delicate socket watch your language and ...
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elfin terrace Jan 5, 2019, 11:54 AM

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Fix that issue now pls,... cant play with anyone... thousands have this issue

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coarse harness Jan 5, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Restart the game

full willow Jan 5, 2019, 12:18 PM

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Doesnt work😂

jade cargoBOT Jan 5, 2019, 1:54 PM

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dynoSuccess King_Shark#9455 was muted

stark mica Jan 5, 2019, 3:36 PM

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I think the VK 100.1 P does need some armor shaved off the sides or the turret sides, reason being that it seems like most light tanks cannot pen the sides without prammo which means a light tank absolutely has to get behind it to pen.
I know the point of light tanks is flanking but they should still be able to pen on the sides at least, I mean after all I can pen the side of a KV-4 with my tier seven Bulldog with difficulty but I don’t seem to pen anywhere on the 100.1 except the back.

remote basin Jan 5, 2019, 3:51 PM

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remove 183, nice

lone warren Jan 5, 2019, 4:05 PM

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@stark mica i say weaken the cupola a little bit and make the sides of the hull a bit weaker and it will be fine. Fighting one in my ru is so annoying lmao

frozen jackal Jan 5, 2019, 4:35 PM

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@stark mica this tanks is meant to have strong armor

summer mist Jan 5, 2019, 4:39 PM

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the T28 HTC is still emblematic
But SERIOUSLY, he must be BUFF, because his gun is completly useless and have absolutly no accuary, and no penetration, especially for a TD.
this gun is absolutly less good than the T29 gun

stark mica Jan 5, 2019, 4:40 PM

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I realize the 100.1 is basically supposed to be a tier VIII Maus but it is...a tier VIII tank. I do like your idea about weakening the cupola. Honestly I think the 100.1 is more powerful in its tier than the Maus is at tier X.

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After all, you can pen the front cheeks of the Maus. Not the same on the VK

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That said, obviously if I had the VK 100.1 P than I would probably not be saying anything about its armor being so strong. 🥴

fiery flame Jan 5, 2019, 4:48 PM

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The VK needs a nerf to its side armour and to its cupola

lunar niche Jan 5, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Vk 100 doesn't have the side turret armour of Maus or the shape. If it angles the turret, the angled sides can be penned.

stark mica Jan 5, 2019, 4:48 PM

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@lunar niche not in my experience.

unique scaffold Jan 5, 2019, 4:49 PM

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@summer mist IMO T28 HTC is fine, just don’t consider it as a TD. It is more similar to a Maus than similar to a TD, it’s almost unpenetrable frontally (only tank that can pen it when angled are ISU-152 and HEAT-62, both broken). The bad gun balances it, and if it gets buffed then T28 HTC would be OP

lunar niche Jan 5, 2019, 4:50 PM

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@stark mica VK is not supposed to angle its turret, hence the smaller cheeks.

stark mica Jan 5, 2019, 4:51 PM

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@lunar niche I know, I’m mostly referring to how strong it’s hull’s side armor is.

lunar niche Jan 5, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Only the bottom is strong at 240 mm flat on. Upper side hull is at 130 mm flat.

Only retards shoot on the bottom.

stark mica Jan 5, 2019, 4:55 PM

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My main point is that it’s hard for any light tanks to pen anywhere on the VK except the very rear. With my Tier VII Bulldog I can pen the side of a KV-4 with some difficulty, not the VK.

lone warren Jan 5, 2019, 4:57 PM

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@frozen jackal theres a difference between a tank being able to have strong armour and having a tank that if it hides its small lower plate its pretty much invulnerable. The cupola is too strong and mediums have a weak chance unless they are a higher tier. Even if you flank a vk p it can be a pain to be damaged. A tank that can be flanked and can still consistently bounce shots off the side of the hull and turret isnt balanced

stark mica Jan 5, 2019, 4:59 PM

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@lone warren I agree with that.

fiery flame Jan 5, 2019, 5:00 PM

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@lone warren have you seen a IS7 hull down?

lone warren Jan 5, 2019, 5:00 PM

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and?

lunar niche Jan 5, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Flank, if you are trying to take it alone, its your own mistake.

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crimson cosmos Jan 5, 2019, 5:01 PM

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I just don’t see the issue with the 100.01. Heavies can pretty much all pen the lower glacis and cupola. Mediums probably need prammo to be consistent. And Lights have to prammo the sides or shoot it in the lower half of the rear end. For a Super Heavy all that seems perfectly reasonable.

But I’ve also put shells from Lights through the forward quarter by targeting the drive wheel outside the side skirt. And you can always nail him in the gun barrel. It’s a much tougher shot, but it will help.

Yes, I do have one and I enjoy using it. But I also don’t live in absolute fear of seeing one on red.

lunar niche Jan 5, 2019, 5:03 PM

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I don't see why a tier lower tank has to pen a superheavy, a tier higher, from the front.

fiery flame Jan 5, 2019, 5:03 PM

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The cupola is no easy pen, it really needs a nerf

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frozen jackal Jan 5, 2019, 5:03 PM

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@lone warren the tank is really slow and it has very long reload time, if they would nerf it's armor it would be too bad and nobody would play with it

fiery flame Jan 5, 2019, 5:04 PM

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220mm on a “weakspot” isn’t really all that weak

lunar niche Jan 5, 2019, 5:05 PM

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@fiery flame 208 mm cupola. It was nerfed from 220.

lone warren Jan 5, 2019, 5:05 PM

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It wouldnt be too bad it would be more balanced. All im really asking for is a minor tone down on the side armour so its more in danger to a flank. Im fine with the cupola being strong and the lower plate being small if I can flank it and be able to pen it lmao

stark mica Jan 5, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Exactly. I have no problem with the VK having the most armor at Tier VIII. It just needs a very very slight nerf to its armor.

fiery flame Jan 5, 2019, 5:07 PM

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@lunar niche when exactly did they nerf it???

lunar niche Jan 5, 2019, 5:08 PM

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@fiery flame Before their release on 5.5 The HP was reduced too.

fiery flame Jan 5, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Wait I thought it only came out in 5.5?

lunar niche Jan 5, 2019, 5:13 PM

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They were being tested before that. The HP was around 1500 or so and the cupola was the same as the PC at 220mm. IRC, they also decreased the mantlet armour.

fiery flame Jan 5, 2019, 5:15 PM

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I wouldn’t count that as a nerf, tank characteristic are always tested and rebalanced before release, well with a few exceptions cough cough keni otsu

crimson cosmos Jan 5, 2019, 5:15 PM

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@fiery flame How does that image look if you use Calibrated Shells? Or APCR? With the image you’ve posted is it really all that much different than if you looked at an IS-3 head on with AP from most other Tier VIII tanks?

fiery flame Jan 5, 2019, 5:16 PM

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@crimson cosmos oh boy is it different, one sec, I’ll show you

blissful vigil Jan 5, 2019, 5:18 PM

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@fiery flame look mäuschen

lunar niche Jan 5, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Rebalanced is the same as nerf unless it is something like the 640 alpha guns of 150-55 mm guns.

fiery flame Jan 5, 2019, 5:19 PM

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IS3 shooting IS3 head on, with it showing its strongest armour

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Now here is a KV4, same gun shooting it

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crimson cosmos Jan 5, 2019, 5:28 PM

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And here’s the AMX 13 90 firing head on from 250m with calibrated APCR. Not too shabby in terms of number of viable target areas IMO.

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Same shooter at the same range. But that’s a much juicier target now isnt it?

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fiery flame Jan 5, 2019, 5:33 PM

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APCR does much less dmg, if you can only pen a tank using premium rounds I think that it is a little unbalanced, I personally think only the cupola needs a nerf, sides can remain the same for all I care

crimson cosmos Jan 5, 2019, 5:36 PM

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I only used APCR to show that even a same Tier Light can hurt it from the front if it needs to. You may well be right that with all things being equal a minor nerf of the cupola will give opponents a bit more of the feeling of hope. 😉

p.s. You did notice that in both your Russian tank images the shooter is firing slightly downwards on the tanks?

fiery flame Jan 5, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Camera angle stays the same, since I was looking at the VK previously, which is a taller tank, it has shifted the angle slightly. I can repost the picture but I don’t think it makes any difference or changes my point about the VK needing slightly weaker armour on its cupola @crimson cosmos

crimson cosmos Jan 5, 2019, 5:47 PM

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You are probably right. A 0.03 percent change in the amount of red vs green don’t mean much. 😉

unique scaffold Jan 5, 2019, 5:47 PM

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I don't see the big deal. They turn like a boat and are slow as hell. On top of that their DPM is rather low.

Don't engage them. Kill the rest of the team and then deal with the VK.

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VK's are only a problem if you let them play their role. They are there to soak up hits while the red team dishes out damage. Don't play their game.

glossy estuary Jan 5, 2019, 6:03 PM

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@unique scaffold 100% correct. Vk100 is super OP when properly supported in a strong position but it’s lack of mobility and low DPM make it a very team dependent tank

empty ice Jan 5, 2019, 6:04 PM

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I agree, in tournaments we normally deal with the Maus last as their dpm is appalling

glossy estuary Jan 5, 2019, 6:07 PM

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T28HTC on the other hand needs a traverse buff or more HP or something. When high tier corner fighting with team support it’s tough......any other scenario it struggles. Can’t move, meh gun, huge weak spots, low HP. No gun depression. 😂

drowsy plaza Jan 5, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Vk 100.01 is a giant slow target. The issue is that most IS-3/etc drivers think they are a super heavy and can toe to toe frontally.

hidden scaffold Jan 5, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Every time I look in this chat and the VK is being called OP because it’s fulfilling the role it was built for I’m just going to repost my surprised pikachu face meme

drowsy plaza Jan 5, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Omg a faster tank with more DPM can’t reliable front pen it - oh no.

jovial kernel Jan 5, 2019, 7:07 PM

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oh no a tier 7 medium that's known for having abysmal penetration can't frontally penetrate a top tier super heavy

hidden scaffold Jan 5, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Yo wassup Adolf it’s your boy Stalin here and I noticed you have these big new tanks that my glorious T-34s can’t pen and it’s really not that cool. Like cmon man, just go back to those tiny ones from last year or else I’m gonna call the League of Nations and report you.

jovial kernel Jan 5, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Ain't nothing gonna stop Big H and the Blitzkrieg Boys

unique scaffold Jan 5, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Yep

drowsy plaza Jan 5, 2019, 7:34 PM

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I really wish we still had +/-2 the amount of screaming would be glorious.

jovial kernel Jan 5, 2019, 7:35 PM

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If we did I would not want to be playing the Comet

drowsy plaza Jan 5, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Comet was glorious in +/-2. Farming ST-I’s and E75’s. Was the only way to get aces in it back then.

jovial kernel Jan 5, 2019, 7:36 PM

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all the credits you lose from the gold ammo though 😟

unique scaffold Jan 5, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Stock STA 1 vs maus .-.

jovial kernel Jan 5, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Better than stock Tiger vs ST-I

unique scaffold Jan 5, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Stock SP 1 C vs T9 tanks

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Vk 100 isnt op wym?

west torrent Jan 5, 2019, 7:52 PM

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It’s really not. As I’ve said before, people just need to aim or ignore it. Not like it’s gonna chase you 😂

drowsy plaza Jan 5, 2019, 7:54 PM

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At least not effectively

quick lichen Jan 5, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Vk 100 is op against bots

west torrent Jan 5, 2019, 8:44 PM

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https://youtu.be/C9epl7K35F4

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Lowering Your Expectations

WoT Blitz: Review | VK 100.01 (P) | Tier 8 German Heavy

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Gives some insight on my opinion of the tank

runic timber Jan 5, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Buff grille....

lunar niche Jan 5, 2019, 8:51 PM

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And Trashpanzer E100

summer mist Jan 5, 2019, 9:07 PM

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@unique scaffold dude i'm sorry but i disagree with u
the T28 HTC is NOT A MAUS, and it's worse than a MAUS, it's useless in tier VIII battle

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in PC it's OP because the maps are bigger, so it's harder to get damaged

lunar ruin Jan 5, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Question. Where can I find old patch notes on tanks? Nerfs, buffs, characteristic changes etc

glossy estuary Jan 5, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Vk100 good in sidescrape playing Maus.
It’s excellent playing E100 spamming HE at red fast movers and TDs.
It’s poor as an IS7 or alone 😂

quick lichen Jan 5, 2019, 9:29 PM

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@lunar ruin blitzhangar.com

lunar ruin Jan 5, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Thanks

unique scaffold Jan 5, 2019, 9:35 PM

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Dodge

steady hull Jan 6, 2019, 1:11 AM

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kpz needs armor buff

quick lichen Jan 6, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Or you learn how to play it

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 3:17 AM

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I mean to be fair it's not really a great tank. It's not bad but I don't exactly see them doing well either.

civic turret Jan 6, 2019, 3:19 AM

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How about wargaming devs consider making attachments give a bonus to the tank it’s attached to, like say: a hidden stat? And they should incorporate ERA the defeats explosive type shells for the first hit. Game is getting repetitive so adding something that requires a choice besides 3 shell selections for tank wouldn’t be the main consideration. Maybe a hit box that requires a superbly placed shot that can cause actual blinding of the player using the tank (within the game) not like a person is gonna have perfect sight in real life if they take a hit that normally takes out the crew

somber mauve Jan 6, 2019, 3:20 AM

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@civic turret it would make the game p2w, since all attachments have to be purchased with gold, and WOTB is never meant to be a "historical simulator"

civic turret Jan 6, 2019, 3:20 AM

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I’d rather pay to win that pay to look fancy

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:22 AM

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Then you shouldn’t play MMOs, because that’s what kills games

somber mauve Jan 6, 2019, 3:23 AM

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well then gg. you can keep your believes. @civic turret nice talking to you but I think I got nothing I can say

civic turret Jan 6, 2019, 3:23 AM

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We all know people buy things in games because it’s supposed to do something. With how things are going, what is to say WOTB can’t change? They destroyed how low tiers functioned right? I never play under tier 6 now and that’s boring. I liked derping people and knew when I got derped I rethought my approach

somber mauve Jan 6, 2019, 3:24 AM

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your interpretation =/= reality

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:24 AM

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I only play tiers 8-10 normally, and I don’t find it boring at all. Why should someone get an advantage over another person just because they shell out $

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That ruins games

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It would last a week before you lose you core player base, then the game will suffer, until eventually the game is shut down

civic turret Jan 6, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Oh ok so the $500 I spent to get t22 (literally less than 200 away now) was so I only acquired something that looked cool.. ok I won’t finish it and won’t do it again. I’ll just play for free and scold people who want something that actually has a reason to be in the game because I want there not to be fantasy tanks or tanks that didn’t exist in a supposedly non history simulation and want the tanks to be “balanced” (except the fv183 of course because that’s a fair thing getting one shotted)

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If I grind out all the experience I could use there is nothing else and it’s boring I’m sorry to say. Need changes and not to be afraid to make something op. Sure you can make things “balanced” but the game player base will suffer even more

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:32 AM

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It was your choice to gamble for it, no one else’s. Camos have only ever been cosmetic.

rare jewel Jan 6, 2019, 3:33 AM

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I believe what he was saying was that premium or purchased items such as tanks shouldnt give you an undeniable advantage. Your skills should determine your advantage in the game, each tank should have a different play style and advantages but also have some disadvantages so that if some noob buys it he or she is not untouchable

somber mauve Jan 6, 2019, 3:33 AM

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how will the playerbase suffer when stuff are "balanced"?

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:34 AM

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Balance kills the game
Mind blown.

rare jewel Jan 6, 2019, 3:34 AM

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To a point yes @west torrent

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Or really

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Not*

somber mauve Jan 6, 2019, 3:35 AM

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🤦

civic turret Jan 6, 2019, 3:36 AM

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I want to know what part of wanting the attachments to do something besides being fancy looking means it will make it pay to win? Who says it has to do anything more than increase certain skill efficiency? You pay 1 gold to get 1000% increases in crew speed training right? Does that mean it’s made game horrible and unbalanced? It’s there for anyone with the free exp and gold (which people can earn) telling people buying gold is bad and biting the hand that keeps blitz on a functioning server

somber mauve Jan 6, 2019, 3:36 AM

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that is pay to progress, not pay to win

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:37 AM

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Make attachments buyable for credits. No longer p2w

civic turret Jan 6, 2019, 3:39 AM

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I guess I’m saying don’t ever buy anything because people call you gold noob and it doesn’t do anything. I didn’t give my paychecks to look fancy. I want something, sorry if that offends people

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:40 AM

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I put money into the game to get my equipment, crew sooner, and to not play tanks I don’t want to

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It doesn’t make me a gold noob

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I choose to not care what people in my games say

civic turret Jan 6, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Me too. I guess that means we pay to win

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Paying gold already gives you the advantage of being able to grind credits faster, skip tanks you don't like, and it even lets you get away with firing more prammo because of those extra credits you're getting from playing premium tanks. Isn't that enough mate?

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:42 AM

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That’s not pay to win lol @civic turret

civic turret Jan 6, 2019, 3:42 AM

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It’s pay to win right? That means we made game unbalanced.

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:42 AM

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I’m getting the same thing as everyone else, just quicker

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 3:43 AM

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No. That’s pay to progress quicker. I’m starting to think that you’re trolling

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:43 AM

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^^^

somber mauve Jan 6, 2019, 3:43 AM

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Pay To Progress

civic turret Jan 6, 2019, 3:43 AM

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Sure helped me win after I “progressed” my skills and equipment to the max

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 3:43 AM

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If I can pay to get something now, or play to get something after a somewhat reasonable grind, that's pay to progress, not pay to win
Anyone can grind their crew to 100% or save credits to gear up with equipment. It's not pay to win.

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Pay to win is basically buying a very OP tank that has no counters and is easy to play and be successful in. The other tanks can’t counter it and buy said tank to be competitive

rare jewel Jan 6, 2019, 3:46 AM

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I think everyone is saying the same thing here just worded different

somber mauve Jan 6, 2019, 3:46 AM

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when people mess up the conceptual meaning of Pay To Win and Pay To Progress

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 3:46 AM

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yeah pretty much

civic turret Jan 6, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Yep that’s true but prepare for 50-100 games a day and months of time. I’m not arguing anymore, I’m saying this game is pay to win in levels nobody thinks of and that saying it’s a free to play game is wrong. Let me ask you, have you used gold to convert your elite exp to free exp? If yes you paid to gain something you can not do without gold, and that’s pay to win

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:47 AM

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A f2p player can’t grind to buy an attachment. The player who shells out $ can buy it. Therefore it can’t have any effect on actual gameplay

red condor Jan 6, 2019, 3:47 AM

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@somber mauve menaing?

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Free xp does nothing but make stock grinds and bad tanks affect your stats less anyways

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:48 AM

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@civic turret that isn’t something that’s needed to be done. You don’t have to have free xp to do something

somber mauve Jan 6, 2019, 3:48 AM

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@red condor thanks for pointing out the spelling mistake

red condor Jan 6, 2019, 3:48 AM

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No problem.

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 3:49 AM

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@civic turret if you want to pay to win wait for some stupid tank like the Lupus or WZ-120-1 FT to come back on sale

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:50 AM

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^^^An example of p2w, these tanks need nerfed. Also an example of why you need balance in the game.

civic turret Jan 6, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Except save yourself time. Good god people, all I asked was there to be a effect to attachments and new features incorporated into the RNG of shells thru new features (which I didn’t say anyone has to buy) game gets boring after a while and something that a skilled player can do to have effect on another player (even if it’s only tier 9-10)

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 3:52 AM

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You asked for features...
features locked behind a paywall

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:53 AM

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Alright, let’s end the topic here. Move on to another subject as I will be doing the same
Anyone that keeps the convo going will be warned

somber mauve Jan 6, 2019, 3:53 AM

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@civic turret nice try, but doesn't work against us

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 3:54 AM

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Alrighty, the E 50M. That probably needs some nerfs. What do you guys think would be appropiate?

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essay inbound lmao

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 3:55 AM

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I think it’s fine where it stands

civic turret Jan 6, 2019, 3:55 AM

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ERA isn’t me asking to pay for something. It means explosive reactive armor. And that would stop most pramo ammo like heat and he first hit. Certainly not asking to buy something. And if someone says this is not meant to be a history based game then they full of dook because I have a hafen and so so about 100 others. Either way historically accurate or not it’s a feature I recommend to dev team. So if you are playing the “MOD” you should rethink your response because I’m sure wargaming wouldn’t say half the response I got because they want a happy customer that spends money

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Ah yes because we totally put ERA on WW2 tanks yep that's historically accurate

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Nope. Not happening. ERA? Play WT or AW for that.

jade cargoBOT Jan 6, 2019, 3:57 AM

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dynoSuccess K275.AtroposLeshesis#5505 has been warned.

civic turret Jan 6, 2019, 3:57 AM

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Look up tanks with ERA. And this game isn’t historically correct. Anime tanks??

jade cargoBOT Jan 6, 2019, 3:57 AM

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dynoSuccess _NoT_ClulY_#2875 has been warned.

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 3:57 AM

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Alright then, shouldn’t have replied to that.

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 3:57 AM

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I merely dropped in a reply to what he said mate, I was moving on 😦

red condor Jan 6, 2019, 3:58 AM

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He said it and he didn’t lie...

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Leave it be

civic turret Jan 6, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Moving on and sending your report to cs. Good day

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 3:58 AM

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I literally tried to go on the the E 50M being a bit overperforming when he dropped that so

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 3:59 AM

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@civic turret I moderate the server, I don’t work for WG, and am entitled to my own opinions. Like all other mods. Please move on and enjoy the server

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 3:59 AM

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It’s 45s, not that bad. At least you can write a bit

red condor Jan 6, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Yep, I noticed I’m in the wrong room...

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:00 AM

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idk I feel the E 50M needs to have the gun depression over the front brought back to 5 degrees, the 8 degrees over the front plus the DPM buff might have pushed it a bit over the edge

civic turret Jan 6, 2019, 4:00 AM

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I am going but I’m saying you represent wargaming wether you do it on a server or not, you still moderate for them.

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 4:00 AM

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@civic turret DROP IT

fiery flame Jan 6, 2019, 4:01 AM

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@civic turret you have no idea what you are talking about, pull your head out the clouds...

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 4:01 AM

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He’s just a moderator of the server. He is in no way associated to WG other than being the moderator here.

jade cargoBOT Jan 6, 2019, 4:01 AM

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dynoSuccess AlcatrazGuardian#1182 has been warned.

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 4:02 AM

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Also trying to get you the player role lol

fiery flame Jan 6, 2019, 4:02 AM

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One day, one day.... 😁

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:03 AM

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So Overclocked, do ye think the E 50M needs any nerfs

red condor Jan 6, 2019, 4:04 AM

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It needs less frontal for a med...

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 4:04 AM

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Lower plate’s big and juicy enough

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:04 AM

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It's always been pushed as the most armored medium, but I feel the buffs it's been given allow it to work too well in literally every other medium's role

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 4:04 AM

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It’s strong, I’m not sure what to really change, but I perform about the same in several of my tier 10 meds.

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:05 AM

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E50M is good but it’s too large

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 4:05 AM

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I think some of the other meds could use a buff, and the E50M wouldn’t Stand out as much

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 4:05 AM

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What of the STB?

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Well the graphs that the devs have released are revealing that it's been pretty massively overperforming

red condor Jan 6, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Or give the 50m less armor and it will fit in.

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 4:06 AM

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I actually really dislike the STB, I hate it’s gun

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Lol the e50m would be trash without armor. You can already pen it through the turret.

spare basin Jan 6, 2019, 4:07 AM

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No kidding

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:07 AM

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@red condor the E 50M is supposed to be the more armored medium so that wouldn't work

spare basin Jan 6, 2019, 4:07 AM

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It's armor is what makes it stand out. Getting rid of that would make it borderline useless and an uninteresting tank.

red condor Jan 6, 2019, 4:08 AM

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@jovial kernel Nerfing 1 tank is a lot easier and smarter then buffing a bunch..

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:08 AM

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It’s fine how it is. If you think it’s really a problem you just haven’t learned how to play against it.

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:08 AM

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I know that, but the armor is a bad thing to nerf. Maybe un buff the gun depression over the front.
@unique scaffold the charts WG released are showing that is is by far the best performing tank in the hands of good players, so it's not fine how it is clearly.

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Depends. Look at the tier VII tech tree HTs. They are doing quite well now when they buffed all of them

fiery flame Jan 6, 2019, 4:10 AM

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@jovial kernel I wouldn’t trust the charts, look at the T62. Its the second worst out of all the meds but I don’t think that needs another buff lol

spare basin Jan 6, 2019, 4:10 AM

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So what, the 62a needs another buff bc a ton of people have it and don't know how to play it?

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:10 AM

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It’s one of the more consistent meds and easy to play. That doesn’t surprise me. Just saying it’s not the best med at tier 10 by a long shot

spare basin Jan 6, 2019, 4:11 AM

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If you're gonna base it off poor winrates, then the 183 would need a buff, and everyone knows that it doesn't.

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 4:11 AM

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@spare basin those charts are technically 55%-65% players

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 4:12 AM

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WG tends to balance tanks according to the tankers along that range.

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:12 AM

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Then what would be better? Situationally the STB-1 or one of the Russians might be better, or maybe potentially the WZ-121, but the E 50M seems to be too capable when it gets shoehorned into roles that other tanks are supposed to fill, as there aren't any situations where it's a bad tank really.

spare basin Jan 6, 2019, 4:12 AM

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1v1 against high DPM tds? 263s slaughter e50ms

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 4:13 AM

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E50M jack of all trades, master of none

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 4:13 AM

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It’s quite a jack of all trades, master of none kind of deal, bit like the M48

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 4:13 AM

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Oof lol

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:13 AM

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Yeah, I just think it maybe works ridge lines a little too well for a generalist like that. maybe adding back the extra step of having to turn to get the full 8 degrees gun depression would get it back in line balance wise.

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Lol that’s funny. The e50m gets shedded by high dpm anything. 215b, e5, 140, 62, any td, IS4 are all counters to the e50m

red condor Jan 6, 2019, 4:14 AM

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E5 has bad pen though

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Ah yes that's why in the hands of 55-65% players it beats all of those tanks for average damage and winrate

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:15 AM

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What. E5 has the 2nd best heavy tank pen.

iron lynx Jan 6, 2019, 4:15 AM

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E50 is jack of all trades, master of ram

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:15 AM

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I mean the IS-4 and E 50M probably need some nerfs, but nothing as massive as what's about to hit the 183

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 4:16 AM

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At least in comp, the E50M is a bat killer. I find that to be its main use . Especially on maps like himmels

spare basin Jan 6, 2019, 4:16 AM

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What would be nerfed on the Is4?

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:16 AM

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It beats those tanks because most of them require a higher skill level. Plus I was only talking about their ability as a counter to e50m

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Swapping back the side and front thicknesses @spare basin

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 4:17 AM

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You meant reverting it back to pre-buff IS-4?

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:17 AM

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What. The actual.

spare basin Jan 6, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Why would it be necessary? The meta is full of tds that could pen Is4s if they could AIM

red condor Jan 6, 2019, 4:17 AM

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@unique scaffold 4th and tied for 4th with 4 other heavies..

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:17 AM

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I mean, the TDs are just kind of in response to all the heavies roaming around since mediums got shot down with nerfs

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 4:18 AM

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IS-4 could be rebalanced with gun handling.

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:18 AM

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IS-4 pre buff was useless. If they revert it back to that they would have to buff it again

fiery flame Jan 6, 2019, 4:18 AM

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What buff did it get?

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 4:19 AM

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It’s gun is really nice, armor is fine, and the pen should stay

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:19 AM

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I think the whole of tier 10 needs some balance touch ups in general with bringing mediums to be a bit more relevant tbh

spare basin Jan 6, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Nerf the gun handling? I feel more comfortable sniping weak points with an is7 than I do with the is4

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 4:19 AM

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IS-4 originally had 140mm front and 160mm sides
Now its 160mm front 140mm sides, making it much more viable in battles

fiery flame Jan 6, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Wait, what.... it’s 160 on front and sides as far as I am aware

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:20 AM

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If they put it back to 140 160 it would actually be bottom tier

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 4:20 AM

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The 160 spans from the front to the cheeks.
The sides are 140

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 4:20 AM

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I feel like IS-4 gun is much better than the IS-7

spare basin Jan 6, 2019, 4:21 AM

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I mean it does get HEAT but it's HEAT. I feel like it's alpha is lackluster.

fiery flame Jan 6, 2019, 4:21 AM

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140mm is that strip above it

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jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:22 AM

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It's still a large 140 patch though

fiery flame Jan 6, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Didn’t know that it got buffed, man I’m so oblivious 😑

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Ah yes, forgot about that. But it’s easily tracked and damaged if you hit the right spot.

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:23 AM

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IS-4 can be pretty easily penned through side

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:23 AM

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well duh we're talking tier 10 tanks here, not some tier 7 with 148mm pen

spare basin Jan 6, 2019, 4:24 AM

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I'd be fine if the turret side armor was toned back a little bit. I've gotten so many low pen rolls or just unlucky bounced off the flat side of its turret. But nerfing the side armor would just make it receive more HE damage than it already does, which can be substantial if a big gun is firing at you, especially since it's got no spaced armor.

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:24 AM

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I’m saying even while angled @jovial kernel

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:24 AM

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eh depends on the angle and the gun

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Get autobounce angle. Hard to pen. Really good sidescraper, unless you overangle

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Nope. Even at normal angles it’s penable by anything

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:26 AM

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I somehow highly doubt this

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 4:26 AM

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@jovial kernel anyways, how’s that IS-6 doing for you in the current tier VIII MM?

spare basin Jan 6, 2019, 4:26 AM

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I think the lack of spaced armor on the sides and its susceptibility to high caliber HE is one of its more subtle weaknesses.

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:27 AM

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@shy wren quite well actually considering I'm top tier 90% of the time, did decently even though I played like a muppet this morning

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Gg

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:27 AM

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I could even show you in game. It’s a strip on the side that is super weak. Trust me, they shoot it all the time in high level tournaments.

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:27 AM

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You mean that low spot behind the tracks right?

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:28 AM

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fiery flame Jan 6, 2019, 4:29 AM

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There is no way HE can go through the tracks?

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Yeah that spot. That's more depending on RNG and range than anything. I mean you can pen it, but only if RNG lets you hit it.

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:30 AM

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Nah. It’s super easy to hit if you can aim.

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 4:30 AM

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Yep. That’s a typical weakspot, but it’s harder to hit it if you’re in a tall tank

spare basin Jan 6, 2019, 4:30 AM

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If you're in a tall tank you can prolly just shoot down onto the front hull.

rare jewel Jan 6, 2019, 4:30 AM

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I know that all too well when i play against it

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:30 AM

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I'm not discounting that the weak spot is there, but at further ranges you're rather unlikely to hit those spots

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:31 AM

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If you’re in a tank that’s taller the IS-4 gets bodied. Plus you could say that for any heavy

spare basin Jan 6, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Yea, especially things with any kind of cupola

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Mk6 can suffer that as well. It already has turret weaknesses, but pointing down on it makes it an easy pen.

shy wren Jan 6, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Hence the reason why it relies on the ridges.

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 4:35 AM

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I like the 215b much better than the chief. It just has too many weaknesses to feel comfortable to play.

lunar niche Jan 6, 2019, 4:36 AM

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Dealing with IS 7 is easier than IS 4 when i am driving a Maus. IS 4 has too much HEAT pen. Turret weakspot also seems smaller and trollish.

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 4:48 AM

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@bold dagger you might wanna post the link to the Russian discord for this guy

orchid grove Jan 6, 2019, 5:01 AM

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What IS-4 needs is that strip on top needs to be changed back to 30mm so that it has a turret weakspot

uncut osprey Jan 6, 2019, 5:02 AM

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But at 30 everything can over match it

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Kind of the point

orchid grove Jan 6, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Exactly. It's not very big anyway, but it's super obnoxious that it's invincible when hull down save for lucky hits to the tiny cheeks

uncut osprey Jan 6, 2019, 5:03 AM

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Maybe tone it down to 45

orchid grove Jan 6, 2019, 5:03 AM

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That would defeat the point then; everything would ricochet if it were 45

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 5:03 AM

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Eh I think that tanks with bad gun depression finding hull down spots should be rewarded but with the IS-4 it does kinda get pretty stupid

uncut osprey Jan 6, 2019, 5:04 AM

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3x gun caliber rule means anything with 135 mm gun would pen

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 5:04 AM

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So only TDs and like the E 100

orchid grove Jan 6, 2019, 5:04 AM

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So only TDs and the E-100.... Because what competitive needs is more TDs

uncut osprey Jan 6, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Well now its nothing

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 5:05 AM

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make it 39 so most mediums get screwed with but heavies can pen maybe

uncut osprey Jan 6, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Do you really want meds to all pen the roof though? That kinda defeats the armor. @jovial kernel i agree with that

orchid grove Jan 6, 2019, 5:07 AM

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Just so we're clear, remember this is the weakspot we're talking about (at least how it is on PC). Even if that spot is easily pennable, the armor is still very strong

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uncut osprey Jan 6, 2019, 5:09 AM

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But that defeats the point of hull down if the enemy is even barely above you

orchid grove Jan 6, 2019, 5:09 AM

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That's like calling the 113 a weak hull down tank because you can shoot the cupolas. Are they pennable? definitely? But can you reliably hit them? Defintiely not

uncut osprey Jan 6, 2019, 5:10 AM

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Its really not that hard to hit the top of the is-4’s turret in game if you can aim, atleast to me

red condor Jan 6, 2019, 5:10 AM

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Mk6 needs the cupola to be shorter..

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 5:11 AM

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@uncut osprey I'm just asking do you main the T-62A and also have insane luck because that's the only way I can imagine you hitting something that small reliably

uncut osprey Jan 6, 2019, 5:12 AM

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I use the m60 and usually if im even slightly above the is-4 i can see the top of the turret and hit it( not pen as its 75mm now)

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 5:13 AM

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If that was a weak spot IS-4 drivers would put in more effort to wiggle

uncut osprey Jan 6, 2019, 5:13 AM

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Not many people even know how to wiggle the gun to block the turret anymore

orchid grove Jan 6, 2019, 5:14 AM

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IDC about how pubs play it, I just think it's kind of annoying how many of them there are in tournaments

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 5:14 AM

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they could just move the hull around a little and shuffle their tracks around though

orchid grove Jan 6, 2019, 5:15 AM

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Even WG doesn't even care about how bad players play a tank; they only look at the stats for players with a 55% WR or higher

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 5:16 AM

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Hence why the LTTB got butchered even though the average Joe dove head first into the enemy team and died

uncut osprey Jan 6, 2019, 5:16 AM

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I killed my wr in my is-4 when i was really bad and the tank was un buffed

proven helm Jan 6, 2019, 5:16 AM

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Can the arl v39 have its capola removed because it serves no point to balance the tank imo.

jovial kernel Jan 6, 2019, 5:20 AM

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no why would we make a french tank line with good tanks

iron lynx Jan 6, 2019, 6:25 AM

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ARL V39 is basically a punching bag with a gun

odd girder Jan 6, 2019, 7:24 AM

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When you have birthday on your first premium tank (collector now) and see how this game is balanced

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Balance v.2

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@lean forge Great Work!!!👍

quiet ledge Jan 6, 2019, 7:40 AM

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@odd girder you're playing in the T7 Car?

odd girder Jan 6, 2019, 7:47 AM

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@quiet ledge T2 Light

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i bought this vehicle in 2016

safe quest Jan 6, 2019, 8:31 AM

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The t7 car in my opinion has too little pen, while it’s fast enough to get the job done, I can seem to pen any rank I fight from the front, and the reverse speed of other vehicles is generally fast enough to make it so I cannot get behind them, but my problem isn’t speed, it’s pen; it has 27 mm of pen when the pen booster equipment is active, and the t2 light has 43, as a stock non-boosted gun. Idk if it’s just me but it’s kinda boring to see red every time I play this tank

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odd girder Jan 6, 2019, 8:42 AM

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T2 Light has 31mm pen ☝️not 43

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iron lynx Jan 6, 2019, 9:21 AM

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You can't even pen the rear of most French tanks you meet anyway

quiet ledge Jan 6, 2019, 10:55 AM

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I really got mad when they removed the Howitzer from the T82, I could one shot some other tanks on the enemy team and even deal tremendous damage to teir 4 tanks if I penetrate

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I played that tank so much I had more than 120K combat experience on it

thick condor Jan 6, 2019, 11:05 AM

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Oh no, i cant club players who just started the game anymore

odd girder Jan 6, 2019, 11:49 AM

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@thick condor Do you think one birthday is clubbing?

thick condor Jan 6, 2019, 11:49 AM

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No, i think more than 120k xp is. Read the post above

odd girder Jan 6, 2019, 12:02 PM

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Bye T2 Light... WG killed you

coarse harness Jan 6, 2019, 12:38 PM

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How about 1-2° traverse speed buff for the JG E-100 ?🤨

robust coyote Jan 6, 2019, 12:38 PM

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how ablut buff the ISU122S's traverse speed by 100 deg/s

high briar Jan 6, 2019, 12:56 PM

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I want WG to add the MOL Points payment option in WOTB

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 2:03 PM

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Guys, I noticed something strange, how come the M6A2E1 has 200+ rear turret armour and the EXP has not even 90? The model of the turret is also the same. Is that an error from WG? I find it most unfair, since the EXP should be a more advanced and better equipped version of that M6

iron lynx Jan 6, 2019, 2:22 PM

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WG accidentally dropped a zero when setting up the EXP rear turret armor

fiery flame Jan 6, 2019, 2:26 PM

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@unique scaffold the turrets may look the same but they have different armour profiles, the EXP has better frontal and side turret armour while the M6A2E1 has better rear armour. Why, I do not know but that’s just the way it is

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 2:49 PM

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@iron lynxif i write a ticket to WG telling them this error, do you think they would fix it? It's simply not possible, the turret is practically the same, even the model is the same

iron lynx Jan 6, 2019, 2:50 PM

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I don't think so
It doesn't affect the gameplay much

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Well, I don't think then a CDC could kill me so easily from behind when I was already engaged, from behind a rock, had I had the same rear turret armor of the normal M6A2E1, the gameplay can vary, a bit

iron lynx Jan 6, 2019, 2:54 PM

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A bit
There ya go

jade cargoBOT Jan 6, 2019, 2:57 PM

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dynoSuccess Computee#1466 was muted

fiery flame Jan 6, 2019, 3:37 PM

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@unique scaffold it’s not an error, it’s a design choice

dry thorn Jan 6, 2019, 3:39 PM

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@unique scaffold you talking about the EXP?

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Yes I mean, It's very strange they share almost the same design and absolutely the same turret, but the more powerful armed one is weak in the backside, I simply don't find a reason behind this

drowsy plaza Jan 6, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Tier for tier the 7 is better than the 8

quick lichen Jan 6, 2019, 6:12 PM

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@odd girder why ping us over this

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This is a bad meme

round stirrup Jan 6, 2019, 7:39 PM

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The ARL 44 needs a faster turning speed, currently it makes me feel elderly by the time it makes a 180

west torrent Jan 6, 2019, 8:02 PM

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No, it doesn’t need a reload buff, massive damage comes with long reload.

terse summit Jan 6, 2019, 8:20 PM

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Many players in the blitz community, mostly the good ones, have been complaining, and since I am also one of them, I decide to voice my opinion in favor of my UNI0N clan mates, and probably many other veterans in the game. The “nuking half the lower tier tech tree” move was not the best idea. With the loss of many lower tier tanks, you have many newer players that play lower tiers want to play higher tiers, since it offers more variety, which crippled the win rates of many of the veterans, me included. Also, seal clubbing is far less common now. Besides, newer players can now only draw experience from watching experienced players play higher tiers, instead of the old seal clubbers that could set an example earlier on for the newer players.

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So, in general, newer players are not getting enough experience and diving into higher tiers with insufficient experience in the game, and they’re getting yelled because of their experience, which I’ve seen to rapidly grow in consistency. This causes a huge tension in the player community, and I would really want blitz to add more lower tier tanks.

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Yeah WG I wasn’t a big fan of your tech tree re-modelization

worn sierra Jan 6, 2019, 8:24 PM

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gold was good for me lmao

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Let’s be honest. Seal clubbers were ruining the game by using OP tanks, and getting wrecked wasn’t very instructive for new players. But I agree that deleting most of the low tiers tanks wasn’t a good idea, as there is no much different gameplay : players arrive to tier 5 and they don’t know what is a TD, what is an heavy tank...
Nerfing the seal clubbing tanks would have been a better idea

quick lichen Jan 6, 2019, 8:26 PM

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How can anyone want a 183 buff

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 8:27 PM

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« I’ve lost 3 games in it, pls buff »
joking

crystal spoke Jan 6, 2019, 8:32 PM

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@terse summit I'd have to disagree with your statement about less seal clubbers as I've found there to be the same if not more as I've been playing the panzer iv D and most of the people on the teams I've encountered were above 7k battles

terse summit Jan 6, 2019, 8:32 PM

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I’m not referring to ke ni Otis’s and tank’s like that I’m talking about tanks like the DW 2, the covenator (my baby 😭), tanks like that that were removed. Pz 3 was a big one. These are tanks that I thoroughly enjoyed that weren’t broken. But now they’re gone 😦

crystal spoke Jan 6, 2019, 8:33 PM

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The ps iii is still a tech tree tank @terse summit

dim field Jan 6, 2019, 8:33 PM

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They aren't gone unless you sold them.

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 8:34 PM

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I agree that deleting most of tech tree was a bad idea, I said. I just said that they should have nerfed seal clubbing tanks (ie T-46, Cruiser IV etc) instead of that unnecessary change

terse summit Jan 6, 2019, 8:34 PM

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@crystal spoke oh sorry about pz 3 my bad. Also the thing is, newer players can draw the expierience from the sealclubbers. With replay systems they can go back and watch how they play and mimic their smart moves, making better players

crystal spoke Jan 6, 2019, 8:36 PM

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@terse summit the panzer3 A I think is a collector tank and yes that's true however what I ment was more of the seal clubbers are still there

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 8:36 PM

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Seal clubbers were playing OP tanks, they just needed to sit and wreck new players. New players had nothing to learn from those players unable to win at higher tiers

crystal spoke Jan 6, 2019, 8:38 PM

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@unique scaffold not all seal clubbers played lower tanks just bc they went good at high teir

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Seal clubbers played low tiers to have better stats or just fun, but it was definitely easier for them to win at lower tiers with OP tanks

orchid grove Jan 6, 2019, 8:40 PM

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5.5 did nothing wrong; change my mind

crystal spoke Jan 6, 2019, 8:41 PM

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Yes but the same argument could be made about mid teir and some also just prefer to grind tanks the free xp

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Or rather a similar argument

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 8:42 PM

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5.5, like every update, brought both good and bad changes

@crystal spoke well as long as they don’t use OP tanks it is fair. Just separate queue and nerfing classic seal clubbing tanks would have been fine

crystal spoke Jan 6, 2019, 8:44 PM

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That would have been a far better change

lapis shadow Jan 6, 2019, 8:44 PM

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The 183 nerf is making it less playable (which is good) but the only problem is that it’s the only Tier 10 tank that I have

terse summit Jan 6, 2019, 8:45 PM

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@unique scaffold newer players are practically migrating toward higher tiers. And they’re getting yelled at much more often, which causes tension and more warnings and bans in blitz. Besides, the game wouldn’t appeal to more newer players. Also btw I do so wholeheartedly support the 183 nerf.

lapis shadow Jan 6, 2019, 8:45 PM

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So it’s making me to play Tier 10 way less often (as I normally do)

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 8:46 PM

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@terse summit wdym
You want new players to stay below tier 5?

lapis shadow Jan 6, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Even though I totally agree with the 183 nerf, it is making me to stop playing Tier 10 completely

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Plus my credits are very low due I don’t play the game that often now due to the event

quick lichen Jan 6, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Lol what

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They nerf the 183 and that stops you from playing tier x

lapis shadow Jan 6, 2019, 8:49 PM

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No other Tier 10 for me to play🤷‍♂️

quick lichen Jan 6, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Not +2/-2, not the med nerf

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The 183 nerf

lunar niche Jan 6, 2019, 8:49 PM

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183 as a first tier X is a terrible choice

quick lichen Jan 6, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Can’t argue with stupidity

lapis shadow Jan 6, 2019, 8:50 PM

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True, the only reason I actually got than the E 100 was the removal of it (that still hasn’t happened, WG get the Badger into the game now!)

lunar niche Jan 6, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Didn't WG mention that they were not gonna remove 183?

lapis shadow Jan 6, 2019, 8:51 PM

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There is no other tank in Tier 10 that is going to compete with the Obj 263

quick lichen Jan 6, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Bruh

lunar niche Jan 6, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Wut?

lapis shadow Jan 6, 2019, 8:52 PM

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By dpm or armour

lunar niche Jan 6, 2019, 8:55 PM

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E3 has better armour. I'm getting Obj 263 though

lapis shadow Jan 6, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Out of the three, which should I get: E 100, AMX 50B Or Obj 263

unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 8:59 PM

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@orchid grove. I can't. I completely agree with you.

lapis shadow Jan 6, 2019, 9:01 PM

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RIP the chat

frail temple Jan 6, 2019, 9:02 PM

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unique scaffold Jan 6, 2019, 11:59 PM

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5.5 destroyed nasty seal clubber

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The bad thing is, wallet warriors can’t buy their low tier beasts and instead are running around at high tiers in helsing and t62 dragon t22 and free xping 183, and some of them just completely are not good players which is why they clubbed. I think a rating star and a trust star is needed based on wn8, and make it so@higher tiers add wn8

thick condor Jan 7, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Or maybe allowing xvm again... then you would be able to see who to trust on your team. Although i can see why its not allowed. Targeted harrassment is a real thing on pc. Although we dont have tk'ing either

balmy cipher Jan 7, 2019, 12:12 AM

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+_+

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 12:18 AM

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Rating battles needs a rebuild (Smh this slowmode)
Players with no experience or no brain should not be allowed to play rating battles. I literally watched a player with 36k battle with like 300 avg dmg just sit at the corner of the map and snipe the whole game missing most of his shots...

red condor Jan 7, 2019, 12:19 AM

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Or we can go back to 2014 where everything was better...

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 12:19 AM

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Agreed.

balmy cipher Jan 7, 2019, 12:20 AM

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5.5 ruined the game

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 12:21 AM

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Technically people ruined the game

balmy cipher Jan 7, 2019, 12:22 AM

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fun fact t-34-85 actually has 60 mm frontal armor

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 12:38 AM

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@balmy cipher 5.5 was fine.

deft owl Jan 7, 2019, 1:19 AM

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@unique scaffold Nope. It messed up the whole low tier balance.

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Not really. It created a better learning environment for new players and motivated more experienced players to move up the tiers. I have zero problems with update 5.5.

fleet pumice Jan 7, 2019, 2:17 AM

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i think that it is tough for any game developer to incorporate real world armor statistics and weapon damage in to games like these. it is even more difficult when you can have three different tiers in one battle. but in wars like WW2 it was common to see Stuarts along side of Shermans trying to hold off german Tiger(2)s

nocturne aurora Jan 7, 2019, 3:21 AM

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@unique scaffold You have no concern that 5.5 makes it much easier for new players to enter high tiers?

orchid grove Jan 7, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Uh, That's not a bad thing?

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Besides, it's not even like you play high tiers @nocturne aurora, you're just a reroll who plays the T-46 and DW2, so why the sudden interest in high tiers?

nocturne aurora Jan 7, 2019, 3:46 AM

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This isn't even my in game name bud.

versed night Jan 7, 2019, 6:14 AM

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During last 3 weeks 7 oldtimers in my clan has left game forever, new balance is maybe one reason and event another. Sad

lethal token Jan 7, 2019, 7:19 AM

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@versed night that sucks. Sorry to hear that. WG need to start thinking about their long term players. Players who were around even before consumables was a thing. Even the new rating season. The rewards are so pointless. There is a lack of thought going into the game. And WG just don't care.

elfin terrace Jan 7, 2019, 9:02 AM

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@lethal token well mate, you could not have said that better in my humble opinion...
Many do remember beta testing on both blitz and the pc versions..
And be a member from almost day one, it’s a bit sad to se how the game have developed at some areas..

quiet ledge Jan 7, 2019, 10:23 AM

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They should so something like the PC version, they rewarded everyone depending on how long they've had their account

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I know many players have started way before me but I started playing back in like summer 2017, spare parts were still a thing

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 10:30 AM

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Buff on FV 183 when?

late tiger Jan 7, 2019, 10:30 AM

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@unique scaffold it is getting a nerf

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 10:39 AM

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@unique scaffold it's getting nerfed in the next update

late tiger Jan 7, 2019, 10:44 AM

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@unique scaffold I think he is a bit confused

deep pike Jan 7, 2019, 12:21 PM

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Oh my lord soo many salty people wanting it gone like come on

lapis shadow Jan 7, 2019, 12:22 PM

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Well, it's the 183mm gun on that thing that really destorys them

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But look at the Jg Pz E 100! 170mm gun with a armour that tanks can't pen normally!

deep pike Jan 7, 2019, 12:23 PM

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Well if u want to see total 183mm gun power go play wot, it can one shot lower tier (tier 8 I think) with AP

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@lapis shadow wtf, jageroo is freaken slow and it’s gun and armour makes it up for it soo what it’s not a bad tank compare to the 183

lapis shadow Jan 7, 2019, 12:25 PM

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Yeah the speed and traverse makes up for it

deep pike Jan 7, 2019, 12:25 PM

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Look the jag is fine, the 183 is a pain to deal with (or just get a good maus driver) and yeah

lapis shadow Jan 7, 2019, 12:26 PM

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If your a heavy that is

deep pike Jan 7, 2019, 12:26 PM

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Also the jag is a second line support tank helping the team even tho it’s big, slow and carry a big as gun like bruh it’s a german tank soo ofc it acts like a ht

lapis shadow Jan 7, 2019, 12:27 PM

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True

deep pike Jan 7, 2019, 12:27 PM

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If u want to complain about the jag go kill one urself and see how weak it can be compare to the 184

lapis shadow Jan 7, 2019, 12:28 PM

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I have once in the E 75 with the max gun, didn't go through

deep pike Jan 7, 2019, 12:28 PM

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Like bruh it’s not a sniper even tho it has .033 despersion rate but it’s armour and support can help, and bro it’s like a ht ofc the jag can block soo many shells

lapis shadow Jan 7, 2019, 12:29 PM

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And I couldn't go around him due to the speed on that thing

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 12:50 PM

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I can't wait to see what the next tier X crutch tank will be once the 183 gets nerfed!

lapis shadow Jan 7, 2019, 12:51 PM

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I wonder, start guessing?

proven helm Jan 7, 2019, 12:52 PM

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Probrably the chinese td once its released lol

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 12:52 PM

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@nocturne aurora new players have been failing (or buying) their way to the top since day one. 5.5 isn't going to change this.

drowsy plaza Jan 7, 2019, 1:19 PM

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Honestly anyone over 5k games probably should not be complaining about 5.5.

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 1:20 PM

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Free gold? Disgusting. How could they be so bad

drowsy plaza Jan 7, 2019, 1:20 PM

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The 3.8 Equipment system totally broke a lot of tanks. Low tiers where never balanced for some of that equipment. While WG did cut deep on 5.5, they did remove the ‘Army of One’ tanks that caused a lot of new players to fail to adapt to higher tiers.

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Let’s face it - you can’t yolo around tier 9/10 like you can in 1-5. The lower DPM in low tier tanks, SHOULD (key word should) create more team work. If folks want to $ past those tiers, so be it. We’ve always had new players in premium tanks. 2014/2015 Löwe anyone? Tank was dreadful back then and you cringed when you saw one on green.

terse summit Jan 7, 2019, 1:38 PM

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I actually like the new equipment system with the choice between rammer, calibrated shells, or camo net verses optics, etc., because everyone in high tiers just sat behind a bush, especially TDs, and they just used camo net and optics, and would just spot and can kill everyone in the battlefield. Plus, rammer was more op back then, and the dpm was even higher with the combo of vents and rammer. Was too broken that system of equipment. I prefer this equipment system nowadays, but I hated spare parts and timers. I mean, if spare parts could be hell of a lot easier to earn, then I wouldn’t complain, but the timers were really a bad idea. Thankfully WG removes both, and rewards were given. I just love the new equipment system and hope that WG keeps it.

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 1:53 PM

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The new equipment system blows. Pre 3.8 was much better.

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Well I hate the Low tiers Now look at the pen of som vehiegles ore the Dmg pleas reset this and make it like before 5.5

iron lynx Jan 7, 2019, 1:57 PM

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@unique scaffold well you aren't supposed to stay at low tiers for long

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Mhhhhh well

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But i like the t82 with 300dmg but now its shit like the other low tier tanks/players

iron lynx Jan 7, 2019, 2:00 PM

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WG probably want their new players to survive longer than sixty seconds

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 2:03 PM

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@unique scaffold. Language and perhaps Wargaming is telling you it's time to get out of the kiddy pool

lapis shadow Jan 7, 2019, 2:17 PM

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^

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Look at me i have 15000 and i was at the start the biggest noob but i learnt from pro gamer when the Go behind me when i was hetzer now noobs cant learn from other players because they are all scrubs and when the come to tier 5-6 the get fckt because the think its easy

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15000 Fights*

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Sorry Wargaming u make a big mistake with 5.5

lapis shadow Jan 7, 2019, 2:48 PM

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And you made a big mistake for swearing...

jade cargoBOT Jan 7, 2019, 2:57 PM

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dynoSuccess GOLDEN_PIRATE#1506 has been warned.

indigo knot Jan 7, 2019, 2:57 PM

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T22 medium needs nerf ....tier 10 must never be p2w

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Why i get warnd Wtf i wasnt rude 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Well ok Fml

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 4:53 PM

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@unique scaffold. Language. Editing the words to get past the filter doesn't mean they'll get past the mods.

drowsy plaza Jan 7, 2019, 4:59 PM

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@indigo knot E 50 M is still better

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 5:01 PM

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@unique scaffold RLY in wotb evry obe says this words and on the discord channel its vorbitten WTF

drowsy plaza Jan 7, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Your trying to bypass filter

lone obsidian Jan 7, 2019, 5:09 PM

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yes game chat is a wee bit different then here..

west torrent Jan 7, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Sorry @drowsy plaza lol

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 5:12 PM

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🤔

jade cargoBOT Jan 7, 2019, 5:13 PM

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dynoSuccess GOLDEN_PIRATE#1506 was muted

west torrent Jan 7, 2019, 5:13 PM

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There

lone obsidian Jan 7, 2019, 5:13 PM

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lol

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happens when moderaters get overworked

west torrent Jan 7, 2019, 5:15 PM

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@unique scaffold I warned you, and several community Helpers explained to you what you were doing wrong. Instead you chose to keep doing it. Pease watch your language. Regardless of its format, it will not be tolerated.

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@lone obsidian lol, their names were right next to each other...I fat fingered 🤦

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lone obsidian Jan 7, 2019, 5:16 PM

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u got the memo gang word ur text approprite

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yes equpment system works fine pricey but effective

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now i have asked numerous times .Why does clan chat go whackadoodle

indigo knot Jan 7, 2019, 5:24 PM

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@drowsy plaza i dont know sometimes where to penetrate the tank thats why I am getting frustrated

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@quick lichen what do you think about is4.....OP or not OP????

lone obsidian Jan 7, 2019, 5:34 PM

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4 better than 7

hidden scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 5:36 PM

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IS-4 is on the border between good and OP

lone obsidian Jan 7, 2019, 5:37 PM

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^

spring pelican Jan 7, 2019, 5:40 PM

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if you know how to angle it its op

hidden scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Still has terrible traverse, slow speed, and bad alpha if you’re spamming heat

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But if any of those are changed for the better then the tank would become OP

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Heavies and TD's need a across the board 2-5% nerf to their view range.

Convince me I'm wrong

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FV 183 needs reloading buff

lone obsidian Jan 7, 2019, 5:43 PM

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that or thicker glasses

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200 m view correct

hidden scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Idk about nerfing the base numbers but if you replace coated optics on them with something more useful I’d be onboard

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 5:45 PM

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@unique scaffold. Your idea is bad and you should feel bad.

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@hidden scaffold. I'd be cool with that.

lone obsidian Jan 7, 2019, 5:46 PM

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plz next update do something with 183 and finish discussion seems about 60 percent nerf 30 derp and 10 get rid of

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 5:46 PM

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The 183 is getting nerfd next update

hidden scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 5:47 PM

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I don’t know if I’ve made this clear enough but I will replace any equipment with heavy spall liner in a heartbeat

lone obsidian Jan 7, 2019, 5:48 PM

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k tnks Spartacus..Once nerfed adapt

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 5:58 PM

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@unique scaffold my idea is good and I'm feeling excellent

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 5:59 PM

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You must not like the game

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 5:59 PM

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I like it

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 6:00 PM

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@indigo knot is-4 is op

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Thankfully despite your right to an opinion, wg is listening to the over whelming majority of the player base and is nerfing the 183 justifiably

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 6:01 PM

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It has low average win rate
Which means it needs a buff

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Because it ruins games

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No

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It doesn’t

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It has a low win rate because people use it as artillery and shoot from 300m away

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They hit one shot and their team is dead

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It’s justifiably low

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The 183 takes no skill and punishes aggressive play

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 6:03 PM

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So now the win rate will drop more. Happy?

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 6:03 PM

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No

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I won’t be happy until it’s removed

lapis shadow Jan 7, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Yay! The Badger!

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Nah. Just stop the line at the tortoise 😂

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@unique scaffold you realize that the dpm isn’t the issue of the 183 right?

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It’s the highest average damage td in tier x and you want to buff its reload

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 6:10 PM

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@quick lichen. You left the part out where they type "jajajajajaja" over global after one shotting a low tier medium.

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Something like that

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 6:14 PM

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It's not like it has the best accuracy. And my shells always get eaten by tracks

lone warren Jan 7, 2019, 6:14 PM

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its the biggest gun in the game and right now its accuracy for that caliber isnt that bad. Have you seen the dispersion when turning the tank?

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 6:15 PM

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I guess you should aim better then

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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🤔 sure dude

jovial kernel Jan 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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I just play Russian heavies then never fully aim my shots so I don't get disappointed when I miss the shots, then just hit the shots anyways

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👌

rain ivy Jan 7, 2019, 6:26 PM

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@quick lichen and let's not forget the premium ammo

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Or idk. Play a tank that actually takes skill

tidal schooner Jan 7, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Like, oh idk... the 50B

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 6:32 PM

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I sense some salt coming from you kind sir. My response is that I can play whichever tank I please

tidal schooner Jan 7, 2019, 6:33 PM

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@unique scaffold That's pepper

dim field Jan 7, 2019, 6:33 PM

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How about we get a few real tanks, and loaded it with dummy round filled with paints and do that.

tidal schooner Jan 7, 2019, 6:34 PM

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👌

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 6:40 PM

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You can play whatever you want. Enjoy the nerf

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 6:42 PM

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@unique scaffold. Enjoy playing it nerfed.

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I'll still play it passively

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No one cares 😁

jovial kernel Jan 7, 2019, 6:44 PM

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sad

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 6:46 PM

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Sounds like a winning move 🤦‍♂️

jovial kernel Jan 7, 2019, 6:46 PM

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hmm I wonder why Sk8xtrm literally made a video on how to not play passively with the 183

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Don’t give him ideas

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Players that play mostly 183 are just too bad to play anything else that actually requires skill

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Let him tank his win rate

jovial kernel Jan 7, 2019, 6:48 PM

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o lol

turbid canopy Jan 7, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Buff the k91 ..this Tank is to Useless

jovial kernel Jan 7, 2019, 6:49 PM

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"I can't get good damage in any other tier 10 so I'l just camp and fire 2 shots with the 183 and get over 1/1 damage ratio no matter what"

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 6:49 PM

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You’re playing it wrong if you think the k-91 is bad

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 6:49 PM

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I dont have kpf but I think kpf is tank that needs buff

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 6:49 PM

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There’s people averaging 2700+ in it

turbid canopy Jan 7, 2019, 6:50 PM

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K91 is in Tier 10 Matches underpowered

jovial kernel Jan 7, 2019, 6:50 PM

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So most tier 9s?

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Well yeah

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You’re a tier 9 in a tier 10 match

unique scaffold Jan 7, 2019, 6:51 PM

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It is all about player. Instead of blaming tank and your team try to think what you did wrong in battle

quick lichen Jan 7, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Amen

turbid canopy Jan 7, 2019, 6:51 PM

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All other T9 Autoloader powerful than K91