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#tank-balance-discussion
steep laurel
atomic lodge
No other Tank has the E100 Gun
formal forge
What is the worst tier 9 tank? Anser: amx 50 120
As mayble fast but armor is leaking poor dpm awful gun reload
unique scaffold
WZ-120 is worse
AMX 50 120 has great manœuverability and gun
sullen vault
I find that untrue,i would say the worst would be wz1-4
If u have trouble with amx120 then dont bother with 50 b.wz 120 can be annoying to play idk if its the worst.
unique scaffold
It’s basically a worse T-54 it even has worse gun depression it has 3 degrees on the 120 mm
sullen vault
I had a far worse time in wz 11-4. 120 and t54 play more different so u cant consider it worst not to mention turret armor is far better in 120 than in 54
exotic pelican
I'd be ok with that
unique scaffold
What’s the point of turret armor when you can’t hulldown
exotic pelican
You find a way to use your armor
sullen vault
U cant go ridgeline warrior but u can still use ground level hulldown positioms to ur advantage or unleveled terrain.
exotic pelican
^^^blammo
sullen vault
Like the debris on himmelsdorf is a good example.hulldown positions on ground level terrain.typing on mobile ie terrible
exotic pelican
or use it as a support tank
sullen vault
U cant pen is4 ufp with is7 even with apcr,but u easily can on its lfp
gritty quartz
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jovial kernel
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steep laurel
🤔
tepid cipher
IS-7 can easily pen the IS-4s upper plate with APCR. There are some bad angles where it will bounce, but most of the time it's a guaranteed penetration.
radiant plaza
KpfPz70 has an 152mm gun and the E100 150mm gun why got the E100 more dmg and penetration than kpfpz70 thats bullshit
timid oxide
@radiant plaza bc E-100 is one tier higher
radiant plaza
Than make the KpfPz70 1 higher
timid oxide
@radiant plaza I don't think it would change anything
radiant plaza
Yes i know thats the problem
atomic lodge
Wau
wild lion
🙄 not getting involved
slender briar
@timid oxide KV-2 is 3 tiers lower than the kpfpz and has more damage. SU-152 is two tiers lower and has higher damage
jovial kernel
oh yeah and at tier 9 the T30 exists
crimson cosmos
The MBT70’s gun is more of an afterthought. It’s really just meant to launch missiles at tanks and use the low velocity 152mm shells against soft targets like infantry. I’m sure that’s the excuse WG will always use as to why the gun is so much weaker than any other 150mm+ gun.
unique scaffold
The balancing of anyone but Russian 152mm cannons is somewhat baffling.
slender briar
The T49 and kpfpz need to have lower damage, but the KV-2 is balanced because of its "unique ™ " playstyle
jovial kernel
😂
unique scaffold
T49 and kpfpz really should bring KV-2 like alpha to the party.
slender briar
and KV-2 should bring T49 alpha to tier 5
jovial kernel
and the 183 really should be easier to spot
sullen vault
@tepid cipher i thought he was talking about in a covered position although many times u can still bounce the is4 ufp
sterile drift
@jovial kernel it wouldn't make a difference because a good fv 183 doesnt shows themselves until your ass is already grass
jovial kernel
It should still be easier to spot regardless.
unique scaffold
🤣 🤣 🤣 "good fv 183". That's a oxymoron if I've ever heard one.
sterile drift
I have a 59% wr in my 183 @unique scaffold
I'm substantially better on pc but ive only got my phone for now. consider like a fish being out of water
the fv183 is a tank that if played correctly can single handedly cary an entire team but when played poorly will miss every shot
unique scaffold
There is no such thing as a "good 183", that's like saying I have "good herpes".
jovial kernel
still an oxymoron
sterile drift
as with all glass cannons, its a very good tank in experienced hands
jovial kernel
Doesn't make it good for gameplay in tier 10
sterile drift
nietjer does a kv2 make it good for tier 6 but that tank is going no where
jovial kernel
I never said that wasn't broken
proven helm
Would the su152 be considered broken at tier 7? I mean it has a huge 152mm gun but its not always user friendly.
hardy warren
🤔
jovial kernel
It has 250mm pen HEAT that has 540 alpha balanced if you ask me
proven helm
Well heat is expensive, and this is assuming u hit the thing.
Being somewhat inaccurate and being a directional td.
quasi hare
@coral tinsel nub
unique scaffold
Lol, why? T67 is fine
It's still fine.
If anything it was OP before.
It's a TD. Don't compare it to a med.
tepid cipher
T67 was crazy good before the nerfs. Now it performs as expected.
wild lion
🤦
tepid cipher
Lol
Before update 5.5, the Stug was the best tier 5 in the game. Second place went to the Leopard. The KV-1 was good, but it was never as overpowered as some other tanks in the same tier.
wild lion
Doesnt the stug also make insane credits with enriched status? Dang
tepid cipher
Yep. Over 200% credit coefficient; I think the enrichment boosted by... 148% or so
wild lion
Crazy
tepid cipher
The reload was ~ 4 seconds, 160 alpha, great penetration. Better mobility than many medium tanks, tiny with good camo.
wild lion
Its an E25 at low tier. Well idk about now
tepid cipher
The French tier 5 TD using the smaller gun was also insanely good. The traverse speed on the stug was around 50 degrees per second, what are you on about?
unique scaffold
This is hilarious. The T67 is fine. It plays it's roll as a sneaky turret equipped TD fine. It's not a light and it's not a medium as such it should not be compared to them.
tepid cipher
Hate to break it to you, but it had 150mm of penetration. With standard rounds.
I'm talking about the Stug
wild lion
Excuse me tf M1a1
jovial kernel
I think WG should buff the Ferdinand and make the Borsig 128 a bit closer to the Skorpion 128
tepid cipher
"Stug was never the best. It was an average tank."
jovial kernel
You're actually just bad then, the Stug is still a great tank tbh
tepid cipher
✌
wild lion
Wtf are you smoking? I wanna have some
unique scaffold
Stug is the best t5 td honestly
tepid cipher
I'm also a big fan of the S35
unique scaffold
The things I see players do in-game make more and more sense as I read more posts here.
jovial kernel
Unique what are your thoughts on the Jg.Pz. IV?
tepid cipher
OP. Used to be the best tier 6, probably still is
jovial kernel
It got a small traverse nerf but the dpm was left completely untouched for some reason
tepid cipher
It's just something about having a decently armored platform that spits out 220 alpha every 4 seconds and can't be circled...
jovial kernel
Yeah, shame the Engine loves to die
tepid cipher
Wargaming must have thought that the Jg. IV was balanced. That's why they introduced the WZ 120 G FT as it is now.
jovial kernel
I don't see the ARL having more dpm than the Obj. 268 @rain latch
wild lion
🤣
jovial kernel
but it doesn't have 3265 dpm
tepid cipher
The ARL is straight trash. The 105mm was the best gun, and when that got nerfed, the tank became irrelevant. Maybe it's better now because the T-150 was turned into a collectors tank. The KV-2 is pretty strong, but not OP. Once the old 10% bonus rammer was exchanged for 7% and the reload itself was nerfed, it started to fit in.
jovial kernel
KV-2 got calibrated shells though oof
tepid cipher
If you told me the KV-2 running the 107mm gun was the best tier 6, I would agree with you.
jovial kernel
It's one of them, that KV-2 turret is deceptively strong
tepid cipher
Can't forget about the Cromwell B either
The ARL has weak armor. The upper plate can get some bounces, but the drive wheels are easy pens, the turret is soft from the front and can be HE penned from the side. It's also slow. Anyway, I must go.
jovial kernel
Kuro Mori Mine > ARL 44
shy wren
ARL has the more reliable gun, but turret’s butter. Kuro can sidescrape effectively and has a way more reliable turret.
jovial kernel
Kuro is also 57 tons which is nice for some love taps
Kuro isn't exactly slow
IS-6 will be power creeped even more by that tank tho
shy wren
A lot of heavies actually. No weakspots on PC. Either load the gold or flank it. But the tank’s long, so it’s hard to CoD.
drowsy plaza
Looks like low profile tanks could easily side hug.
crimson cosmos
That Chrysler definitely takes the title as the ugliest American tank in Blitz. 🤮
shy wren
Prolly not that easy to sidehug. Hull’s not tall enough.
clever mauve
i love the way the 5.5 nerf ended for the toaster ~ its actually much better balanced now
and i have almost a 60% and climbing WR at 150 battles
and it kept all its hit points
shy wren
Tbf, it needed all of its HP. Getting oneshotted by tier VIs is not fun at all.
clever mauve
exactly~ its gun is somewhat troll at tier 5 now
shy wren
At 500hp, it can get oneshotted by a 122mm gun of the Kv-1s or a high rolling SU-100Y
clever mauve
well now stug falls under that problem
shy wren
Rip. But it can’t really be derped frontally.
clever mauve
it seems like wargaming forgot to nerf the HP of a few other tier 4 and 5 tanks like M3 lee and PZ 3/4
prisma dune
My favorite Jg Pz IV story is when I ran into a good driver in my FCM. Quickly learned I didn’t have the gun depression to hit it and I didn’t have the speed to get away. You can tell how this ended. 🤣 Smart players know how to exploit matchups.
hidden scaffold
Watch this at 4:15 and then explain to me how the 183 is a balanced tank.
jovial kernel
Buff Ferdinand and Borsig 128mm
lunar niche
Can't really angle that LFP against 326 AP pen without overangling the side.
That engine fire though
plucky acorn
@hidden scaffold The 183 overmatched the armor on your engine deck it seems.
Or just got a super high rng pen roll
jovial kernel
doesn't make the 183 balanced
plucky acorn
Didn't say it was
jovial kernel
good
hidden scaffold
I wouldn’t be mad about it going through the lower plate, but if you watch where the shell impacts it goes through the upper plate which doesn’t make sense at all
jovial kernel
magic
plucky acorn
He probably fired apcr
jovial kernel
what APCR
plucky acorn
🤐
coarse harness
The Maus is a trash, worst T10 imo
You can easily pen it's upper plate with 320 pen
jovial kernel
IS-7 is worse because you can't angle it
coarse harness
At least that's useful in hulldown pozitions
jovial kernel
the Maus needs to be angled
inner dagger
coarse harness
U just need knowledge to play against it, and that tank becomes free dmg
jovial kernel
I wonder why it gets used in comp then
coarse harness
Even the T9 Mausen better
sterile drift
@rain latch the Chrysler K has the same gun as the top gun on the T29, a gun that already is lacking in the penetration department. The WZ 120 FT G has enough armor to bounced some tier 9 guns. The WZ isnt getting balanced by anything that cannot pen it with standard amunition.
Also watching unicums argue with newbs is funny
so is matching the Maus master getting salty about getting penned by a death star.
jovial kernel
to be fair the Maus shouldn't be getting frontally penned by a death star through the upper plate
cunning compass
Lolz
sterile drift
you can pen the side of the mause with HEsh
like hell you cant pen the frontal plate of the maus at the right angle
regardless it looks like the 183 got a high pen role into the shot trap of the maus with HEsh
sterile drift
After reviewing the video I believe it was perfectly within the realm of the fv penning the mouse with AP, through the turret cheek, and that it was not HEsh based on the shell tracer.
jovial kernel
btw if you hide the hud with the button in the bottom right it hides the red
Also it seems like it went through the gun mantlet and into the armor hole behind it
shy wren
40° angle is perfect for Maus.
Actually checked back, 35° on hull gives a reliable 350mm of armor save for the lower glacis plate. Turret at 45° is perfect.
sullen vault
@sterile drift first of no it doesnt.Idk where ur looking at this but the chrysler does not have the same gun as the T29
.I mean it just takes few seconds to realize this 😄
shy wren
It’s the same gun, just the premium pen on the Chrysler is marginally better @sullen vault
sullen vault
One is T5E1 and the other is T5E1A
shy wren
That’s just the name difference. Gun stats are the same, save for the marginal premium pen difference between the two.
sullen vault
That doesnt mean anything.They are not the same guns technically and no the gun stats are different considering chrysler gets more pen.
undone creek
am i the only one who thinks the vk100.01p needs to be balanced
shy wren
AP and HE have exactly the same pen, APCR has only 15mm more.
sullen vault
Is5 is the most annoying and fustrating tank to play,it doesnt really need a nerf.
shy wren
IS-5 is no problem for me. Heavies can deal against it with ease.
undone creek
but i have the vk100.01p and omg its so good
sullen vault
@shy wren cool,still different gun.😄
Same shells doesnt mean same gun,pleqse realize that
shy wren
In terms of performance, they’re pretty much the same.
sullen vault
"Pretty much the same."thats not a sound argument to what im refering to.
lone obsidian
Frustrating Is5 is a understatement _Legacy..
sullen vault
Because shooting the sky and 10billion second aim time is not fustrating
lone obsidian
hehe
shy wren
260 pen is good, but if you can work with 245 on a T32, that’s better. At tier IX, both of them will struggle.
sullen vault
But ive never struggled with t32 pen nani,if u cant peb dont try to pen and go for something else but now with 260 pen can make a difference in getting better shots now doesnt it
shy wren
It does, but not by a noticible margin.
sullen vault
It will,i dont think u understand though.oh well i cant argue anymore so lets leace it at that.
shy wren
I understand your statement alright. It’s my experience playing with an ST-I with a BL-9. 265 will even struggle against some tanks. But the standard rounds is ok enough to go through some weakspots.
crimson cosmos
@shy wren The Chrysler has better dispersion and aim time as well as the slightly better APCR pen.
But why compare it to the T29 and not the T32? Tier VIII to Tier VIII makes more sense to me. 🤔
shy wren
@crimson cosmos reason I compared a T29 and a Chrysler is due to Legacy wanting to compare the guns of the T29 and the Chrysler, hence that.
crimson cosmos
Gotcha.
shy wren
Regarding the aim time and dispersion, that depends on the platform that the gun is on, not part of the gun characteristics itself @crimson cosmos
grave bear
is2sh>> Chrysler
undone creek
@rain latch have you ever played against a vk100.01p? its a little like a t8 e75 but with a weaker lower plate and if you wiggle around and keep moving a BL9 for example will not be able to hit and if youre close range you just hug the enemy
shy wren
Impenetrable turret and very strong hull > IS-2Sh
But lower plate is pennable by tier VIII HTs, but not reliably.
grave bear
not so strong hull, turret is impenetrable as is5's turret? ez pen. strong hull? meh...
also you dont have 400 alpha dmg or 42 max speed.
undone creek
i have it too
grave bear
cmon, Chrysler has only 6 degrees compares to 7of is2sh, who cares of turret armor if you cant even use that? also gg, bad pen and bad reload, lowe can overmatch it in everything
lone obsidian
ru cereal
shy wren
You can say that again
Sides are set at autobounce angles
It’s basically a Vk B a tier lower, with a more reliable turret.
Hatch is also 257mm of effective armor.
lone obsidian
there u go
exotic pelican
but it has a Christie suspension so it is better protection
shy wren
Not really.
exotic pelican
it balances out, it covers that 60mm of armor
shy wren
It’s 20mm of armor. That same 20mm of tracks cover the sides of the Chrysler, which has 101mm of armor.
60mm of armor are susceptible to get partially overmatched by 122mm guns
sterile drift
@sullen vault really trying to fight the fact that they essentially have the same gun aren't you? its ok to say you were wrong.
undone meadow
WG sell sta Rin camouflage
sullen vault
I just stated they are different guns,how hard is that to comprehend?
spring pelican
@lean forge they start from t7?
sullen vault
And how was i wrong?i stated they were different guns in which technically they are.😂
lone obsidian
u were not wrong ..point has been made..
sullen vault
I always get a laugh when im on wotb discord.
lone obsidian
true that _Legacy
sterile drift
just remeber kidos, it it doesnt have good p/w it must be a bad tank
shy wren
Vk 100.01 has bad p/w ratio, doesn’t mean it’s bad.
undone creek
in my opinion the vk100.01p is really good
for some reason its my first tier 8 cuz im a noob
shy wren
Saw this suggestion from Reddit, it would be nice if we have the TOG I. Suggested it to be a tier V premium.
We need more stupidly long tanks, like the TOGs and the Char 2C
crimson cosmos
Only if all the guns work. Otherwise it’s just a TOG with a Matilda turret. And where’s the fun in that?
shy wren
Armor of TOG at tier V is more effective.
brazen frost
TOG 1 should have the 45 dmg gun of the Matilda but with a 20-round autoloader
jade cargoBOT
jzmalexander#4205 was banned
coral geode
IS-5 doesn't need a nerf. It needs a rework to it's kit.
Lowe needs a nerf however.
@tepid cipher Crusader, that StuG score is not that good, Vk 30.01 P is still stronker than Jg Pz IV. @jovial kernel Kuro sucks
jovial kernel
"Kuro More Mine sucks" 😂 it has a 200mm gun mantlet, 8 degrees of gun depression, very good armor when top tier, somewhat mobile, decent gun
barren field
We need buffed Vindicator
If Vindicator had 30 sec reload but 900 dmg, that would be OK
jovial kernel
how about no
unique scaffold
I think having the KV-2 as a nuker is enough.
fossil nest
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451474973551493133/522118593857716234/20181211_183223.png bugs need to be fixed
that could have been a one shot for gods sake
lunar niche
@hidden scaffold bit late but probably went through the 180 mm hull slant which becomes like 220 to 260 mm while angling the hull.
Weren't the hull slants 200 mm in the pc before the buff to 250 mm?
coral geode
@jovial kernel What are you talking about? Good armor? Decent gun? Are you sure you aren't talking about Vk 30.01 P?
deft owl
Kv-2 isnt suppose to shoot the place you aim anyway.
jovial kernel
@coral geode the VK 30.01 (P)'s hull armor can't be angled well and isn't very thick
coral geode
Vk 30.01 P faster than almost anything
Because it is so fast, combined with vastly superior gun handling, any situation where the Kuro stalls, or doesn't get first shot, the Kuro will lose
jovial kernel
anyone can reliably pen the 30.01's hull, it takes a somewhat high penetration gun to tag the Kuro
coral geode
100mm vertical.
keen nexus
At a tier where even the light tanks have 120mm+ pen.
lone obsidian
vindicator should have its own battle room as well as all other fantasy tanks
unique scaffold
Dumbest thing I've ever heard. Get over the fact that this isn't ww2 simulator and you have to face those tanks
deft owl
@unique scaffold No its one of the most brilliant idea. I hate seeing Tiger 1 and lupus in same atmosphere.
jovial edge
Then you can go make your own game and see how that turns out. There aren’t that many people who think us history/tank buffs aren’t closet Nazis. You can only make so much money at that point. By including these godawful tanks WG opens an opportunity to get more players from different games, and keep the game afloat.
dim field
If it bothers you that much to see these tanks in game, perhaps you should consider making "real" tank only training rooms.
tulip yarrow
Variety is the spice of life. Just like you don't want a street full of kebab shops, you don't want battles to be full of dull predictable tanks. Also less chance of food poisoning on the battlefield
lone obsidian
well u enjoy ur goofy tanks then
thought was put out dont need ur neg opion saveey
jovial kernel
As long as the fake tanks are balanced (example: O-47 and Hafen) I'm fine with them
deft owl
@jovial kernel And for some reason half of them are disguistingly op.
jovial kernel
annoyingly
deft owl
Which gives me another reason to hate fantasy tanks.
clear marten
I only have one service,and I can’t log in on my phone and on my friend’s phone I can log in idk y
shy wren
Review_NA region.
Try redownloading the game.
clear marten
I did
shy wren
Hmm.
serene falcon
🤔
raw maple
You probably got deleted, don’t worry it’s just a game
quick lichen
-DONT Update your iOS device to 5.6.1! It's a broken client and shows only a dead review server. If you got an Update for World of Tanks: Blitz even tho you have 5.6 installed, ignore it to avoid login trouble.
visual nimbus
Already updated it and it’s just fine and dandy for me 🤷♂️
shy wren
Some people will experience login issues. Best not to update.
visual nimbus
Wonder what the update was even for..
quick lichen
Ironically bug fixes
visual nimbus
I see.
shrewd kiln
Plz buff Mod One frontal armor, I couldn't bounce an IS-6 unangled.
visual nimbus
;^ very funny
umbral hound
Buff T28?
jovial kernel
no, buff T28 proto
umbral hound
I actually like the T28 proto. I hated it at first but now I really like it. A lot of my highest dmg games. The regular T28 still feels pretty whack though. (it is totally possible I am just not good with the regular T28 though)
jovial kernel
I mean, just remember if you hate a tank, it could be a Ferdinand.
barren field
T-28 has to be buffed! The reload is way too long and the pen is terrible!
violet burrow
What, the T28's reload is actually good enough for tier 8...
unique scaffold
T-28 only too slow ... reload good armor very good
deft owl
@violet burrow There are some misunderstanding here. @barren field talking about tier 4 t-28 which is right. You gıys talking about tier 8 american t28 which can use armor buff in my opinion.
violet burrow
Oh, forgot about the dash russian tank version sorry
barren field
The Russian/Finnish T-28 should in my opinion get a better gun
Like the fast reloading T34's peashooter
formal forge
Löwe doenst deserve a nerf cuz his gun is already good but his side armor is weak last time i got 1k dmg fomr su152 shootin he on my turret
lunar niche
WG nerfing a tier 8 premium? Lol
gaunt coyote
Give T28 the real model like IS-3 got. The current one is basically a fake tank lol 😂
crimson cosmos
I don’t know what the fuss about 5.6.1 is all about. 🤨
I’ve had no trouble with it (yet?) and it connects me to the regular NA Server. And I downloaded it from the App Store before WG’s servers had even come back on line. Did I just get lucky?
deft owl
@gaunt coyote Agree. Real t28 is basicaly a 2 tracked t95 instead of 4.
drowsy plaza
The Löwe was buffed at least 1-2 buff’s past reasonable. The 2014/15 Löwe stunk, but now it’s powrcrept way past the Tiger 2
drowsy plaza
I don’t play it anymore because it’s my second most played tank - but sadly the vast majority where before the last two buffs
Play tier 9, you don’t see the vast majority of fantasy tanks - just a bunch or paper drawing tanks
white reef
Vk 100 and Mäuschen should count for mousebane medal
lone obsidian
hehe
stray hornet
Lol yup
lone obsidian
maushmouse is hard armor
lapis shadow
Well that was helpful...
lapis shadow
I updated my game like yesterday
summer notch
Why does it cost so much to research the Ferdinand?
jovial kernel
Type 62 is too underpowered needs 1500 alpha on HEAT
slender briar
because it's a potato, relative to the JP2
drowsy plaza
Ferd circa 2014/15 was a beast - at least they always looked so red to me.
jovial kernel
pretty sure in 2016-17 at come point it got overbuffed then nerfed into the ground
drowsy plaza
I think the advent of fast tanks in 7+ killed it. Then they overbuffed earlier this year and draconian nerf’d a month later
hidden scaffold
Ferdinand was great when I played it in 2014 because the superstructure was invulnerable to tier 7-8 AP and even some premium rounds if you angled it right. Now just about everything can pen it with AP so it’s useless in its intended armor role and the JP2 is the better option in every category
neat yew
Probably because the higher pen tanks rolled in. I can't play anything with bad pen from tier 8 onwards now, I seriously can't stand the T-44 and the T-54 ltwt
warm flicker
@hidden scaffold why didn’t you platoon with me?
hidden scaffold
I got roped into a Hoi4 game for 10 hours
But it’s all good cause Axis won and I made Hungary great again
sly iron
Wz111 can be easily penned these days
unique scaffold
@neat yew t54ltwl is a light tank and it is doing good with its pen
plus it doesnt need a lot of pen as it can easily go around the tanks or on the back of the enemys with its on move cammo
jovial kernel
T-54 ltwt is a better medium wym
unique scaffold
How can someone not stand the LTWT???
https://orig00.deviantart.net/d63b/f/2013/088/b/5/this_does_not_compute_gif_by_cliopadra13kaassis-d5zn5su.gif
chrome epoch
I can cuz I've never played it
drowsy plaza
Lots of the slower lesser pen meds in 8 have been left behind in the powercrept zone.
jovial kernel
at least the ltwt picks up the slack in mobility unlike the "proper" tier 8 meds
iron hearth
pershing cries in the corner 😥
jovial kernel
big oof
iron hearth
its sad to see an historical tank like it left behind makes me sad
jovial kernel
Meanwhile FT is more historically significant and got deleted
plush umbra
Idk what wg thought about it but yeah. Its wierd
wide bloom
One shot. Is balance is needed? (On the red narrow shows 634 damage is false? I had 1500 hp)
jovial kernel
your ammo rack blew up are you new here
small flame
Every tank has the ammo rack in a unique location
shy wren
Your ammorack’s in the front.
wide bloom
Wow, thanks
small flame
Also I couldn’t stop laughing at your comment that the kpfz 70 needs balancing because it’s too good
jovial kernel
literally the worst tank in tier 9
shy wren
KVs have ammoracks in the rear of the turret, Germans have ammoracks on the sides, Chinese tanks are made of ammoracks
small flame
Well that’s not true that it’s the worst. But it’s certainly not very great. Nor balanced
fiery stirrup
No but russian tanks are made of fuel tank, British tanks are powered by infantry and yea Chinese tanks are made of ammoracks, oh and japanese tanks use origami paper especially the green one as armour
tardy meadow
@wide bloom Who puts ammo in the front ?
Most British tanks and the Leopards
And the Russian mediums who literally have the ammo behind the fuel which is in the front so no wonder they get ammo racked so easy
dim field
Ammo im the front? Probably useful for tanks that would want to run away. Ambush and then GTFO kinda tanks. I'm not a tank expert though by any means
unique scaffold
You've gotta put ammo somewhere. It took a long time for tank designers to take the ergonomics and survival of the crew into account. Also keep in mind that some cultures did not value the lives of their soldiers as much as others.
Also consider that in many cases the front of the tank is the most heavily armored spot. It would make sense to hide your ammo behind as much armor as possible. Especially when you consider that much fighting was planned to be done from dug in, hull down positions.
indigo tinsel
..... I know everyone here has troubles like this. This actually needs to be adressed.
jovial kernel
What did you expect? That's the side of an IS-8. You know the sides of that thing is made of pure black hole.
indigo tinsel
And this one as well. Track HP is too much with the "new" equipments you can add, now this is starting to happen literally almost every battle.
@jovial kernel Dude this has happened with me with light tanks like the T49. not just IS8... I mean look at that. And the part of the IS8 that is the black hole is the side skirt, not the bloody tracks!
jovial kernel
You do realize that track hp is just the damage before it breaks right? Tracks are just 20-40mm of spaced armor. It's spaced armor mechanics that are broken, not tracks.
indigo tinsel
But they never changed those mechanics. why is this happening to me for the last 5 months and not the last 4 years? THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.
jovial kernel
It's happened to me for the last 4 years I don't know what you're on about
indigo tinsel
Bullshit. Whatever, I'm done with this if no one will believe me, just wait till WG realizes its an issue in the next year and changes it, trust me its all in the track health.
jovial kernel
I never said it wasn't an issue, I just said that it's not a new one, in other words it's even worse because WG still hasn't fixed it.
indigo tinsel
Im not calling BS on that you think its not an issue, im calling BS on the fact that you think this always has happened. its not.
jovial kernel
It has for me so idk
coral geode
@unique scaffold Ok that I have an issue with.
coral geode
Fuel is actually a fairly good deterrent for HEAT shot and shell fragments
Tank designers have long taken into account ergonomics and crew survivability.
There are simply things that are not physically feasible.
For example, for a human loader to quickly reload the gun, there must be
ammunition placed near him.
Whereas an automatic loader allows for lesser difficulty.
Modern NATO tanks often make use of fuel tank armor, and turret bustle stowage
has it's own problems. For one, it's very difficult to armor the ammunition
compartment so far back. For a second, it limits total ammunition stowage.
unique scaffold
I recently read a book about tanks pre WW2. The comfort of the crews was scarcely considered. This book contains interviews with the tank crews and the stories they tell are nearly unbelievable.
That was the the point of my comment.
jovial kernel
problem with autoloaders is that you suddenly can't have a reliable system while having blowout panels
coral geode
That is a broad and likely ineffectual statement.
German tanks for example, were ergonomically designed, Pz III is one such example. While WWI tanks that may apply, it's not as if the designers deliberately did not consider, rather, they simply lacked the technology. @jovial kernel Lol no.
tank crews are very bad at providing an objective opinion of the weapon they are using.
jovial kernel
you do need a far more complex system to have blowout panels with an autoloader though.
coral geode
The truth is tanks did take into account crew ergonomics, and this carried into many WW2 designs. This is seen in the T-34, the Pz III, and the pz IV. Admittedly the Pz IV then proceeds to jump off a cliff as it gets upgraded but you can scarcely blame the tank; blame Krupp for producing bad tanks
jovial kernel
Russians caring about ergonomics during WW2 🤣
keen nexus
uses hammer to change gears what was that comrade?
coral geode
The fact of the matter is, the Soviets did, and indeed had the more ergonomic tanks of the war. One must simply take a look at the crime that is inflicted upon the Churchills gunner to remember that a Sherman isn't the average. There is no basis for that claim
jovial kernel
I mean the T-34-85 was an improvement on the ergonomics but the early T-34 had a 76mm gun that was cramped into a turret basically designed for a 45mm gun
unique scaffold
I'm going to be honest here and I don't mean this as a cop out... But I've had an exhausting day and I really don't feel like getting into this discussion right now. Maybe an hour or so ago but now I'm done.
jovial kernel
well see ya then 😃
coral geode
Early T-34 has some rather fair ergonomics. There are some issues but that is to be expected of a prototype tank. 1942? model was the main production model of the T-34, and really by that point the only thing you really can complain about is that the Soviets have slightly more awkward observation devices. Remember, only by 1943 did the T-34 actually achieve outnumbering it's lighter Soviet compatriots, like the T-26, T-70, etc
jovial kernel
Also a turret basket probably would have been nice for the T-34-85 crews
coral geode
Many tanks lack turret baskets, like the vaunted Centurion (obese as it was), it's really not necessary
jovial kernel
Turret baskets are however nice to have. It's not necessary but it is a help
coral geode
You can just pretend to have one by using chairs
jovial kernel
Also with the T-34-76, there was an issue as the Commander was often stuck with being the gunner or loader, and couldn't be looking outside as much as they could with the much improved T-34-85
coral geode
model 1942 says otherwise :/
jovial kernel
It was still dealing with the fact that the turret is based off of one made for a 45mm gun and the gun is now a 3 inch gun
coral geode
I don't believe that's really a problem
jovial kernel
How is that not a problem? The gun suddenly takes up about 2-3x as much space inside the turret but the turret is the same size
coral geode
If said gun is very small in the first place it's not a problem. Tanks aren't perfectly optimized for X gun, designers can't overturn the requirements
Remember this is the same tank that carried an 85mm gun in a larger turret version
jovial kernel
That's a much larger turret though, about twice as large if you compare in photos. You're dodging the issue of the turret being too small, as they just tossed the old turret out the window in favor of one based off the T-43's which was designed for a 76mm, was still about twice as large as the T-34 1943 turret
twin egret
Guys don't blame the black hole, blame Stalinium
small flame
or wargaming could just attempt fixing their broken and dying game
twin egret
I want the historical FV4202, 240mm turret armor as well as the gun the FV215b has that it was supposed to carry
coral geode
historical 4202 was also made out of soft steel (so it couldn't repel shit), and only had 20 pdr, FV-215B is a british hiistorian invention, and the hull armor was 76mm
small flame
too bad WG doesnt care about historical accuracy
red condor
4202 hesh is so expensive
coral geode
HESH is actually a really weak ammo IRL
red condor
I have the 4202 and all I run is hesh and I lose over 100,000 credits each game even on a win that I do 5000 dmg on.
small flame
red condor
Should they add a M1 Abrams tank with DU as ammo?
twin egret
??? this game is based sole from World War 1 to Viet nam
red condor
Ehh what about all the fake tanks they have added?
twin egret
they added fake tanks too on PC
sullen vault
Abrams is way too advanced,its not just the ammo.
red condor
coral geode
Original M1 Abrams versus T-62 would allow T-62 to actually butter it at all ingame combat ranges, and it's 40mm UFP (extreme slope) would be over matched by quite a bit. Portion directly under the gun is vulnerable to >220? penetration or so, and the entire side is vulnerable to overmatch
jovial kernel
The Abrams would basically play like a pre nerf IS-7 with a better gun
coral geode
No it'd fly around the battlefield like a god. MBT-70 is actually a hugely over estimated vehicle in this game though
red condor
Yea
jovial kernel
I forgot the part where it goes a good 15 kph faster than the IS-7 and has a better power to weight ratio as well
coral geode
Real life MBT-70 has tinfoil for armor, so much so that it's even more vulnerable to the IS-7's machine guns than the Leopard. It's kinetic shot is pathetic and likely only slightly better than the 105mm L7, and it's autoloader can do what? 5 rounds per minute?
hollow mason
tinfoil for anti conspiracy
jovial kernel
The MBT-70 was a crappy unfinished prototype that was built apon to create the Abrams
Well that's not completely true but the Abrams's design was heavily inspired by and based off the MBT-70
coral geode
It's too bad the poor Abrams would still be getting rekt from over 2 kilometers by a T-64B, whose turret it couldn't penetrate at point blank range
jovial kernel
depends on which abrams you're talking about because there's the M68 (knockoff L7) versions and the DM-1 120mm smoothbore ones
coral geode
No even the 120mm was struggling against the T-64
jovial kernel
And it's well known that Russian tanks love flat small turrets with almost invincible turret fronts
coral geode
Even the UFP was a struggle.
jovial kernel
That's every MBT tho
coral geode
The T-64B is like 40 tons. the Abrams is over 60.
jovial kernel
We know that Russian tanks are small and light okay
coral geode
T-64B can handle a higher sustained rate. It also likely costs much less. Because it's so much lighter it's much easier to handle the repairs of because the components themselves are lighter
jovial kernel
That's um not how repairs work as there's more parts to it than component weight
coral geode
Try to fix the tracks and tell me which one is easier to repair.
jovial kernel
I wasn't talking about the tracks but ok
coral geode
Powerpack? Gun? Lights? It's design is just more conductive to being fixed with less 'work'
jovial kernel
Also with in field repair, an extra crew member (loader on the abrams) is useful. And I'm just saying that weight isn't the only thing, as space inside the engine bay, complexity of parts, size of parts, and multiple other factors matter in how hard it is to repair things.
coral geode
At which point it gets even worse for the Abrams 🤣
jovial kernel
To be honest that's completely true the Abrams is known to suck to work on 😂
coral geode
Challenger II must be a pain, it's really good at ripping off it's own track pads
jovial kernel
Challenger II's only strong point is the armor packs literally the entire rest of the tank is outdated from the older weakened power pack to the rifled gun
coral geode
Don't worry, it's armor design is actually not very good so it doesn't even have that going for it
jovial kernel
Well it's above average
coral geode
Probably better than Captain sketchy Leclerc
jovial kernel
aka probably costs too much
coral geode
40mm mantlet KE protection says hi.
fickle moon
wait did the BP ever get nerfed?
uncut imp
N
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fickle moon
so isn't that big Boi still running around with mad dpm?
quick lichen
It’s op and yet still forgettable
jovial kernel
just like the Jg.Pz. IV
jovial kernel
You know this extremely balanced thing
unique scaffold
Game is dying, nôobs are becoming ever more present throughout all tiers. Wg do something about it or Blitz will end up like Wot pc...
jovial kernel
Well they could make the IS-3D able to reload individual shells in 12 seconds oh wait
umbral hound
I think noobs keep games alive. players who are hostile to noobs kill games faster
jovial kernel
yes
shy wren
Ja
jovial kernel
Da
late tiger
@jovial kernel auto-reloader that can pump out three shells when the first one has the longest time and the rest have a smaller time to reload, SO once pumped out 1000 dmg you just become a normal IS 3 which has a hidden talent
jovial kernel
yep that's what I was referring to
deft owl
Buff panther 2 and panther 8.8 please.
jovial kernel
oh yes please and Centurion 1 while you're at it
sleek vault
can you guys buff me up irl already WG? im lately not doing well with this my main
jovial kernel
yes buff me to be Watea_23
atomic hound
Centurion 1 is fine. Play it to its strengths and it is decent
jovial kernel
You sure you don't want a tank you like to be better? Personally I much preferred the Caernarvon which has similar mobility but has the armor and dpm to really be scary on the battlefield, along with some health too.
atomic hound
The mobility isn't even close, and the turret on the cent is good enough if you use the gun depression. I have had both tanks. Either way, asking for a buff because you like the tank is ridiculous...
Not that I particularly loved the centurion 1, but the centurion 7/1 is another story. My god that tank is amazing
deft owl
@atomic hound Cent 1 is trash. Speed is horrible, hull armor is non existent. Turret can be easily penned from turret roof. Dpm is trash for such a low alpha gun. Only pen and gun handlings good. No wonder why it has second worse winrate in tier 8 tanks.
jovial kernel
Actually in my experience on medium flat ground (almost all ground in the game) the Caer only lags behind the Cent by like 3-5 kph
atomic hound
Centurion 1 is absolutely fine. The hull is trash, fair enough, but if you're hull down using all 10° of gun depression, that turret roof is autobounce, making the entire turret very strong. The DPM is enough to get the job done, since the good pen, aim time, bloom and accuracy, combined with that gun depression allow you to use 100% of that DPM effectively. Compare it to other tier 8 mediums, and most of them also have trashy hull armour, with a couple of exceptions, but none of those tanks have good guns (and often worse DPM). The tank has a low winrate because the majority of the playerbase sucks in tanks that require a degree of finesse, which this tank does.
crimson cosmos
With the Brit tanks the 20 pounder on the Centurion I is good enough for a Medium. But it’s just so underwhelming on the Caernarvon. Don’t get me wrong. I actually really like both tanks.
But the British “feel” on the Caernarvon (meh mobility, weak hull and high-ish pen / low alpha gun) has been such a horrendous victim of Tier VIII Heavy power creep that I’m starting to think it needs a bigger gun to get back on par. Would I love it to be the 105mm L7? Duh. But even the 32 pounder might be enough to take it from Medium hunter back to Heavy tank status.
drowsy plaza
Caernarvon is fine as is, the Cent I needs work. I find myself playing the Cent I once a month to pad Wn8 but it’s not a very competitive tank when frankly the Caern does its job better.
unique scaffold
bc 25 t is oc bad as X it worst tank in 10 tier please buff it
iron hearth
2.5 second inter clip shot like other clippers
modern fern
If you buff the worst tank in the tier, another tank will become the worst tank. Then it will get buffed too,
powercreep
spark orchid
Yeah, buff bc. It needs 400 alpha per shot and atleast 200mm more armor🤣
modern fern
It needs an 183mm gun with a 50 shell magazine, with 0.1sec between each shell, 1 sec magazine reload.
Also give it a maus engine
deft owl
@atomic hound indien panzer has better hull and turret armor, alpha damage and dpm better all for a little less ap pen.
exotic pelican
they both have 9cm guns though
deft owl
Indien has 225 alpha while cent 1 has 190. And thats not enough indien has better dpm. And oh not to forget cents crappy 40 kph speed limits.
exotic pelican
oh, when you mentioned the Indian I was thinking of the Pz.58 Mutz, because that's what people compare the Mutz to
deft owl
Im comparing indien with cent.
exotic pelican
after I maxed out the Centurion it got kinda boring
atomic hound
Indien is a little too strong, imo, but cent still has better gun handling, only 60 DPM less, and better effective power/weight ratio
deft owl
Cent cant use its p/w ratio because of its crappy top speed. The tank wants to go faster but limit doesnt allow it.
@slender briar Cent has to use its gun depression to make it turret roof bounce. Otherwise it doesnt bounce.
hardy warren
🤔
atomic hound
40kph gets the job done, since it accelerates to that speed very quickly... What can I say, it doesn't ruin the tank at all
jovial kernel
If it was changed to 45 or 50 kph with no other buffs the Centurion would reach that speed and have a real noticeable advantage over the Caern
atomic hound
If I can manage rank 6 on EU over 30 days, and I'm not even close to the best players on the server, it's not a bad tank when you get the hang of it.
jovial kernel
I mean on NA we have the WZ-120-1 FT and Skorpion spam and both of those can nail a shot clean through the gun mantlet if you sit still for a half second
atomic hound
So don't sit still... Both of those tanks are ridiculously overpowered though, so go figure
jovial kernel
It's not the problem with OP tanks, but rather that tanks with high penetration get spammed all day on the NA server
hidden crest
@summer notch I send you invite for friend
summer notch
Nice
noble chasm
@lean forge
pseudo frost
1.You are playing on one tank 2.You need help to team mattes.
noble chasm
Do you think that i do nothing?
pseudo frost
On russian server i thinked there is noobs but when i helped we winned
sharp wind
Seems like only one game had meaningful dmg
That is on the EU server. He is Pole which is the main complaint of EU players.
noble chasm
pseudo frost
But one problem on Europe server little number of players is playing
5-20 players in waiting
noble chasm
Ye rex i do 0 dmg im noob my team do all my work . oh teams are good
pseudo frost
All we do mistakes.
noble chasm
@pseudo frost do you try switch off this?
pseudo frost
We all are on 50% we arent pro or noobs.
white vessel
If thats the only one control mode or smthing switch i keep it off alltime
noble chasm
21k players on Eu and rex thinking that there is 20peoples waiting
pseudo frost
You know that some players are in trainings and Raiting battles?
white vessel
I dont mind waiting if its worth to
pseudo frost
I need wait 1 min to enter battle
white vessel
What tier do u play
noble chasm
omg he is........
pseudo frost
On 8,7,6,5,4,3,2 Im not playing so much thats why i havent tier 9 and 10
white vessel
Ok do you have less than 5k games?
noble chasm
@odd girder
pseudo frost
I have 2 200 battles and i dont need tier 10
noble chasm
do you play on pc or mobile?
pseudo frost
On pc and phone.
white vessel
Ok the matchmaker tends to put -5k battles and +5k battles in diffrent queues
pseudo frost
The mathmaker cant get me in battle when 20 players are waiting on 6 tier
noble chasm
switch on wotb on pc in setting switch off control setting
pseudo frost
I have that phone and pc gamers can be in my battle
white vessel
Try playing with a platoon mate so the matchmaker puts you in the +5k lobby
noble chasm
@pseudo frost https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502016925405151234/522838203141455892/unknown.png this
pseudo frost
Wait i will enter in game.
jovial kernel
this game should be put on the nintendo switch
pseudo frost
I disabled it
noble chasm
okej now play battle
dim field
That could either go great, or terribly.
I don't think there is an inbetween for wotb switch
pseudo frost
ok
sharp abyss
How would that even make sense playing wot blitz on Nintendo switch
sharp wind
It doesn’t that’s why it appeals to him
cunning sleet
i will not buy a switch just for 1 game
sharp abyss
It'd probably be a loss first game
jovial kernel
I just think some more players would be nice and the Switch would bring that
cunning sleet
it could but its still a chintendo not a playstation
jovial kernel
the Switch has rather nice specs for a mobile device, better than most phones
solar flicker
@atomic hound What you say about the Centurion 1 is a great argument starter. Also, I think what you say about the tank and the needed finesse to play it properly are correct. Lastly I believe that the Chieftain/T95 is a very similar vehicle in terms of armor and dpm. The turret of the Chieftain/T95 is also an auto bounce from the front except for the huge commanders machine gun, and the tank's turret has great angles on the turret followed by 250 mm of effective armor near the gun mantle. The gun on the tank I think had some were around 10 degrees of gun depression, so, if you play the right way it can be OP.
atomic hound
@solar flicker argument starter? Also, whilst the cheiftain is similar, that hatch really does massively affect the way you play the tank (I don't have one, I'll admit), but the centurion doesn't have this issue when the roof is at autobounce.
jovial kernel
I do think the Centurion could use a top speed buff to 45-50 like it did on pc tho
gaunt coyote
It is a rather strong argument to call a tank OP. Specially Chieftain/T95 as it does not have the bestest of dpm like usually low caliber guns have. For an example RU 251 and Caernarvon.
Chieftain/T95 has good mobility, but not amazing as the engine is rather weak. As a result it turns better than very big and slow heavies, but it turns slower than the more mobile heavies such as IS-3. And Chieftain/T95 does not have a lot of armour at the very front of the hull (well in the hull all all araund the hull) unless using gun depression which is what the tank is supposed to do. BUT there is no hills in every map to use this amazing feature or at least harder for the less experienced playerbase that has managed to get a hold onto this one with the recent bundles and offers including it.
I am not saying that it is a bad tank, I personally quite like it. But I can not call it OP by any means as it has weaknesses too.
In my opinion it should get more DPM or a bigger gun with the same reload rate.
quick lichen
Tier 8 chieftain is hot garbage in practice
Most players trade shots with higher alpha heavies
Get out brawled by meds
jovial kernel
because they're idiots
quick lichen
And don’t use speed
visual nimbus
It’s a support tank
quick lichen
But I don’t see why I would ever play it
It’s a boring playstyle
And you can’t legitimately use ridgelines
I’ve played mine 2 times maybe?
gaunt coyote
Yea it is not very effective as you are not a frontline tank, but you are not a pure sniper. And in ridges you still cant trust the turret as the HUGE little egg at the top is weak indeed.
iron hearth
why someone should play the chief t95 when you can play the amx m49 😂
jovial kernel
I mean it's a hull down tank that needs to keep moving for hull down to actually work so of course it struggles
gaunt coyote
It should get like either A. Mobility buff or B. DPM buff or C. Both.
IN my opinion
solar flicker
I am fortunate enough to own one and I will say that the machine gun is a very big week spot, and it is large but the chances of an enemy hitting it when you are utilizing the great dispersion for snapshots it can be benificial
jovial kernel
I think it should have better gun handling so moving around to keep the cupola safe doesn't mess with your accuracy as much
quick lichen
@unique scaffold could you not?
gaunt coyote
It just needs that little bit more love that is all
quick lichen
Read the server rules
solar flicker
he dont even play the game e a freind so dont kick him
lone obsidian
if it means watch the wording yep
gaunt coyote
Now I want to ask that we get back in the topic 😊
Chieftain/T95 should get something that makes it a bit more special am I right?
indigo knot
@quick lichen some tips for arl44.... I am sucking in it....and traverse feels bad
gaunt coyote
@quick lichen would like it to have more traverse speed so it would not lose so much speed while turning as the sides are very weak so the risk of getting circled would be smaller. And DPM indeed would be lovely
lone obsidian
seek shoot hide on 44
jovial kernel
You need power to weight for that not traverse
gaunt coyote
It does need traverse speed too tho
I just would like to have a more mobile heavy with a deacent turret. And a pew pew gun
jovial kernel
buff both, improve terrain resistance
gaunt coyote
OK, I am off thanks for the chat!
visual nimbus
Anyone else feel the Tiger ll is just to bullied?
jovial kernel
yes
trail veldt
I'm more introrested how the tiger 2 new side skirts gonna look
atomic hound
What are you talking about @trail veldt
trail veldt
Didn't in the event info say something about side skirts for different tabks @atomic hound
atomic hound
Not that I've seen
trail veldt
Hmm wierd could have sworn I saw something about side skirts
Must have read a different update at some point just confusing
I've reread everything new must have acidently clicked on an old one lol
solar flicker
They should increase Chieftain/T95 gun damage from 250 to 300
visual nimbus
This? @trail veldt
unique scaffold
@solar flicker they could buff it's apcr rounds,and traverse speed
rancid flame
Do you guys think that WG should give the T-62 A it’s 115mm gun? I think they should because it fits in better with the medium line, which are a bunch of tanks with decent turrets, but higher than avg alpha for a med (T-34-85 at tier 6, T-44 at tier 8)
jovial kernel
nah fam that 115mm would put the 121 out of business
rancid flame
121 would still have that 122 which still shoots with larger alpha and it has a better armor profile
trail veldt
@visual nimbus oh yep that
rancid flame
Problem with the Chinese 122 is that it habitually low-rolls (pretty sure it’s weighted to do that)
jovial kernel
also the 115mm would have way too good pen for a medium in this game
rancid flame
Just change the pen then. It’s not exactly hard
jovial kernel
we still don't want a tank filling another tank's role but better
rancid flame
But the medium with higher than avg medium alpha but not quite heavy alpha has always been occupied by that line since the 34-85
It’s textbook that line’s role
jovial kernel
If you want a line that makes no sense look at british TDs
rancid flame
Let’s not start the 183 debate
cunning sleet
what are you wanting to change a 115mm gun on the T-62 A nonono
rancid flame
Yeah, and then give the 140 back it’s apcr and heat
unique scaffold
I'd prefer the 140 keeps AP
jovial kernel
^^ AP is the best ammo, and the 140 has none of the disadvantages of using it (laser shell velocity)
cursive flower
The T-62 would be interesting with the 115mm, but awful for one main reason: the gun could not be depressed or elevated period. Not talking 2 or 3 degrees here, we’re talking 0.
jovial kernel
Nah fam it would get like 3 degrees down 15 up
cursive flower
In real life* Obviously I don’t think it would be functional to have no angles in either direction
jovial kernel
I don't think you realize, the 115mm smooth bore is the historical gun of the T-62 @cursive flower
And it would work just fine in terms of elevation angles as it's actually a modified 100mm that was bored out, similar to the L7 being a modified 20 pdr
cursive flower
Hm, I’m probably confusing it with something else then. More than likely.
dense nebula
Wuat
magic topaz
is there a buff for vk72 next update?
that thing sucks in armor and dpm and too slow to not have side armor
limber wigeon
If WG want to balance anything balance the amount of sliver you actually get for winning or losing. Based the earning on the players dress and etc. Like War Thunder doesn, win or lose. AND NOT on how freaking well your teams does. That one reason this game is starting to suck hard, players are not reward like they should be even when they done well yet still LOSE! I just fought a battle in the Vk. 36. Whatever it is and lost with two kill on my part and 2nd on the team and yet I win -sliver. This is jacked UP!
FIX THIS DAMN GAME!
winged barn
@limber wigeon play the t49. That thing rakes in the credits
rancid flame
Lol
limber wigeon
Don't have and not enought silver hardly to even play 3 battles or 2 per day.
regal grove
@limber wigeon that’s barely anything, and you lost. Losing implies you lost credits and that you should strive harder to win. If you win that game, you would’ve won credits
quick lichen
I yell at people when I want things too
@limber wigeon you honestly shouldn’t have a problem making credits in tiers 5-7
small flame
glad im not the only one who likes yelling in anger when i get pissy
regal grove
Honestly progress towards higher tiers should be slower. More than 50% or tier 10 don’t know basics. How about literally winning a specified number of battles with at least a specified number of damage. Requirements can be low. Literally can’t be hard unless you’re trying to lose
sterile drift
@limber wigeon that type of economy system would only promote selfish behavior where players are not trying to win as a team. I believe this would also promote greater toxicity within the community.
lunar niche
Is there even a teamplay in wot/blitz? Lol
tulip harness
I think that there should be a bonus for actually doing good, even when losing
winged barn
It is almost like there is on already...
quick lichen
@valid gust hi
valid gust
yes?
valid gust
aight, will do. sorry about that. want me to remove it?
quick lichen
We have our own youtubers here that are quite good and don’t bash the game. You’re content isn’t really wanted
No, I’m more than happy to balance you
valid gust
aight dude. best of luck to this game 😆
quick lichen
Thank you
valid gust
np
small flame
I actually personally really like when people are honest and bash the game
quick lichen
There’s a difference between criticism and bashing
valid gust
bashing is severe criticism
summer notch
Bashing is criticism
sleek vault
bashing is one form of criticism
summer notch
And sometimes well deserved, Blitz hasn’t justified it yet, but they are a Chrysler K and Defender away from getting a Jingles Paddlin
shy wren
We’ll have to see how Blitz balances the Chrysler K and Obj. 252U. We can’t simply call it the Defender as there’s another tank with that namesake, ie the IS-3 Defender.
summer notch
The Chrysler has weakspots that weren’t mapped out from what I know, and the 252 is just a buffed IS-6 or five or something
brisk lily
Maybe closer to the IS-6 than Is-5
shy wren
@summer notch 252U is worse than you think on PC.
Imagine IS-7 levels of armor on a tier VIII. That’s how tough it is.
Chrysler is practically immune from the front from lower tier guns.
Note, these tanks are broken on PC.
summer notch
Ah, so T-32 with its turret armor on the entire tank. They are broken no doubt, but I swear the chrysler had weak spots on the texture but not in the armor
I just want everyone to sit back and remember that the T32 has better turret armor than any tier ten’s turret armor. God I loved that tank
shy wren
That’s true. They’re not actually weakspots.
summer notch
Exactly, now if they were made into weakspots, would that make the tank tolerable?
shy wren
Too small for weakspots though. You need to be pixel perfect to shoot them there.
summer notch
Alright
warm kernel
Nerf the VK100P plz
granite flicker
Buff 72.01k
iron hearth
I agree the tank is too weak right now side armor is trash you cant even sidescrape with rear turreted tank the gun is terrible way worse than e100 gun and less hp than e100 is just a worse e100
modern fern
Nerf ms1
oh wait
unique scaffold
its not even there anymore
zealous stone
@unique scaffold wz 113 dsnt need a nerf the travers on it is so shit it actually needs a buff, worst heavium imo in terms of travers
quiet kite
@unique scaffold the side armor on the turret needs a buff. You turn it even a tiny bit and it can be penned by literally everything.
The wz 113 is fine as it. The slow traverse is the only draw back considering its upper plate and side armor is on par with the is4s AND it has the Joint highest dpm of any tier 10 heavy with the fv 215b.
zealous stone
if you dont use a tiny hill the wz113 upper plate is garbage and you should not compare it to an IS4 since that thing is broken
quiet kite
@zealous stone I own an is4. It's not as broken as most people think. And having fought both I'd actually rather fight an is4 since it lacks the dpm of the 113.
zealous stone
and is does not have 120mm of side armour thats just a thin stripe right betwen the turret and tracks rest is 80mm
quiet kite
The same can be said about most other tanks. They only use the thickest armor thickness on any part of a tank to tell you what its armor is.
quiet kite
Did you not see what I typed?
And besides. That doesn't take away from the fact that it's a damn good tank that in my opinion has an upper plate capable of challenging the IS-4s. You put even a tiny bit of angle on there or wiggle just a tiny bit and people will struggle to pen.
zealous stone
the upper plate is only good if you keep a dostance if you do face hugging it bevome ubsolet
the tank has such a low profile that ppl can just aim over you into the upper plate
quiet kite
Whatever you can believe what you want. Until you've fought them both dozens of times in random battle with all sorts of tanks and had the chance to own one and play the other a few times you won't realize how broken the upper plate on the 113 is.
quiet kite
Notice that I've said owned one and driven the other. All it takes to make the upper plate near impenetrable is a small slope, a slight angle, or some wiggling.
zealous stone
i dont think a 2° in travers buff would hurt the whole meta
quiet kite
2° really wouldn't do much.
shy wren
So, which is the better choice, Wz or IS-4?
zealous stone
Trust me it would, would turn just like an is7
quiet kite
@shy wren according to ruck it's the is4 but to me it's the wz. Guess it just comes down to personal preference since they both have monstrous armor profiles. While the is4 has better sides and traverse the wz has amazing dpm.
shy wren
IS-4 generally has monstrous armor all round, while the Wz has a much stronger turret and frontal hull armor, from what I heard. Lower plate is much weaker on Wz tho, but if you can hide them, both of them are monsters in their own rights.
jovial kernel
Why are we even comparing them
modern fern
why not compare maus and grille
sullen vault
Is4 has far better armorn than the 113,113 turret is far weaker than the is4 since u can just heat the cheeks.113 upper plate is not that strong really,if u angle up ofc it can be strong,like any other tank with decent hull armor
glad creek
WG needs a filter for training rooms like you can make one with only mediums in it or you can select only which tier(s) you can use to enter training room
jovial kernel
113 upper plate is insane, only reasons not to drive the 113 are weak lower plate and garbage traverse
drowsy plaza
And turret
sullen vault
@jovial kernel i wouldnt consider 113 upper plate to be insane at all.its weaker than most hulls of heavy.
pseudo grail
@lean forge im sorry for calling you but the game in my phone seems to be “unresponsive” I drove my ltwt but for some reason it’s moving by it’s own and can’t traverse it’s turret, I checked my ping it’s at 59, please fix this, I lost so many games because of this
quick lichen
The second a 113 is slightly angled down, the upper plate is useless @jovial kernel
torn crystal
252U armor vs 340 HEAT pen from tier 10s
yeah we totally need that monster in Blitz
quick lichen
Good thing heavies in blitz can have 374 heat pen 😉
It’s the same thing when people ask for Japanese heavies. No thanks
torn crystal
vs its own AP
torn crystal
I've been playing my 252U a lot more recently, its so ridiculously armored that it can tank shots from tier 10 easily and punish said 10s harshly because lel 440 alpha
tawdry moat
Yes these tanks are needed in blitz.. i need to be able to stomp everything without them even scratching my paint.. yea no thanks too..
torn crystal
tfw even the paint is made of liquid stalinium
tawdry moat
Got to sport that solid red camo my friend.. cant be called the red army without.. dont want to go to gulag
torn crystal
Serb's goolag
gotta fund that WG mars base after the successful funding of the moon base with the feast bundles
noble chasm
👏 wg
quick lichen
Wg did that?
unique scaffold
willow junco
empty wharf
@noble chasm if you not sporting for yourself, you wont get high exp mate, I think you only shoot the people who gets spotted by the IS on your team
noble chasm
Bro look ať team every game i got this
empty wharf
Try to spot more for yourself, and track the enemys so you team can shoot this tank! You'll get a ton of Exp!
frail temple
Hey fellas. Anyone got some thoughts on the T95E6 they wanna share? I'm interested in it, kinda. Looks like a poor* man's Chieftain Mk.6, or a real bad T110E5. I'm probably wrong tho, lemme know.
summer notch
Some people think the cupola is to big
frail temple
agreed. Bigger than my Tier 8 Chieftain's. Big ol' head titty.
jovial kernel
It looks like the Chieftain Mk.6 but really bad
visual nimbus
It might be better than the Mk6 who knows 🤷♂️
jovial kernel
It's not gonna be better with a huge 25mm tumor on it
frail temple
yeah, that's what I was guessing. 158/125/53 turret armor. Chieftain is at 364 frontal turret armor with a substantially smaller head titty.
visual nimbus
That tumor hitbox is not really set in stone yet
And you can’t forget about Chieftains massive lower plate
jovial kernel
the Chieftain's turret isn't actually 364 that's just one tiny spot the turret is actually 250mm sloped
Also the T95E6 has a similarly weak and large lower plate to the chieftain
slender briar
Chrysler K needs a massive nerf
visual nimbus
frail temple
Oh, didn't know that. As for the cuppola, if they cut it off I could maybe gamble for it in hopes it gets an armor buff later, but at this point it just looks subpar to every other tank it compates with. T110E5 outdoes it and so does Chieftain. That turret armor is just a touch above the STB-1's.
jovial kernel
And the Chieftain can't be frontally penned with 75mm HE while hull down
Also the T95E6's lower plate weak spot extends to that flat middle 114mm plate
frail temple
so it has similarly place weakspot but they're just much more massive
visual nimbus
Personally I think the E6 could outperform the Mk6
jovial kernel
The side tumor is literally as weak as the cupola roof
frail temple
really? When i look at the size of the thing I just doubt it. Not against experienced players :/
jovial kernel
To make it even worse, the side of the turret is an autobounce angle so you don't even need to actually hit it to go through it
frail temple
Wooooooow. Side tumors too, huh? Didn't even notice those in the inspector lol. That's just hot garbage man, that's not out-doing anything
visual nimbus
To be fair we know close to nothing about the E6 and the stats aren’t set in stone so we’ll have to see and that little side tumor might not even be a hitbox
jovial kernel
it was spaced armor in 5.4 but they made it solid in 5.5 for some reason
visual nimbus
It’s literally just a viewport it doesn’t make sense that that would damage the tank
jovial kernel
It's not even a viewport it's just there
frail temple
heck it man. I was really looking forward to it since I missed the Chieftain but I'll just free exp an STB-1 at this point. Better turret armor and mobility anyway.
jovial kernel
I'll tell you something, British tank drivers are gonna love meeting these and HESHing them frontally while they're hull down
frail temple
everything is gonna love tearing that thing to bits, everyone and their mother can pen 🙄
visual nimbus
You guys haven’t even seen the tank in action yet.
jovial kernel
Just looking at it the STB-1 and M48 have better turrets
frail temple
I have. There's leaked vids out there. 2, to be exact.
slender briar
If the tumoris modelled, the tank is trash
visual nimbus
I’ve seen them too but it didn’t show much at all
jovial kernel
the cupola is decently armored, the tumor is a huge oof
rancid flame
Well, it can’t be much worse than the release of the W(allet warrior)Z-120-1 F(ake)T(ank) I’ll take an underpowered over an OP tank in the meta any day
jovial kernel
@rancid flame Well that's why the T-22 exists buddy
slender briar
Not to worried about the T-22. Just aim, and the armor magically disappears. It's all angles
rancid flame
I mean...I romp around tier 10 in a 268...basically I point at anything and shoot and it’ll pen
jovial kernel
You people all forget that this game has RNG
@rancid flame Nah fam the T-22 when properly driven gets covered in autobounce angles all over
frail temple
and that it moves like a med
rancid flame
Lol, then I just HE splash it for 400 dmg and call it a day
jovial kernel
👌
visual nimbus
They can’t make that part of the hitbox it’s just ridiculous and doesn’t make sense.. must be a mistake
frail temple
but look at those double tumors lol, what kinda clown crap is that.
iron hearth
I think its pretty obvious wich is the better one😂
In the first i used claibrated that the image without cal
With or without nothing changes just saying
jovial kernel
btw the side tumor stopped being spaced armor update armor inspector or check blitzhangar
iron hearth
Oh that makes tank even worse 😂
drowsy plaza
The Mk6 with the Royal camo hides the hitskin decently for players who don’t know it well enough.
fossil crag
Shhhhh
iron hearth
This is the 5.6 version and you can pen the frontal plate
drowsy plaza
The E6 looks like it has been covered in aim here signs.
fossil crag
I find it odd WG didn't remove the side bubble. It exists on the tank model on PC but isn't something you can pen, kind of like T29 ears. Maybe those apps are wrong and that side thing can't be penned, we'll have to wait and see.
iron hearth
Those are data files they cant be wrong sadly
jovial kernel
Well the side tumor was spaced armor in the 5.4 armor model but they changed that for some reason
jovial edge
I like how people are complaining that Wargaming sells tier 10 tanks to noobs but here you guys are complaining that the tanks aren’t good enough. Make up your minds.
charred cedar
Why can't I see that color coded page DD
jovial kernel
Noobs shouldn't be buying any tier 10, let alone underpowered ones that make them even more useless.
jovial edge
So why should it be practically impenetrable
jovial kernel
I don't know, but last time I checked every tier 10 can pen the T95E6's cupola, LFP, and CFP
jovial edge
You are suggesting that they shouldn’t.
charred cedar
I'm only up to tier 8 not just premiums.
jovial kernel
I don't think that a 75mm gun should frontally HE pen a hull down tier 10 heavy
jovial edge
Don’t bring up the hull after referring to the cupola.
jovial edge
^
jovial kernel
It already has a cupola that all tier 10s and most tier 9s can pen, it doesn't need to be HE penned in the turret frontally by tier 5s
jovial edge
🤔
quick lichen
The side tumor won’t be modeled I don’t think
jovial edge
It wouldn’t make sense
quick lichen
If they do, no one is buying it
crimson cosmos
It won’t matter. The e6 will be as meh as any other Western, non German, Tier X Heavy. Nothing but a series of weak spots that utterly negate the advantages of decent gun depression.
WG has no interest in making ANY US tank as dangerous on a ridge as a Russian or Chinese tank in the open. Look at the turrets on the 59\Patton and the T95E2. That 50mm difference is just stupid.
quick lichen
The e5 is plenty dangerous
quiet kite
^
jovial kernel
I mean it's almost like the 59-Patton literally has an M48 turret as the name suggests @crimson cosmos
jovial edge
With the cupola
jovial kernel
well it is the historical M48 turret with the cupola and 90mm
crimson cosmos
How many complaints did it take before they removed the cupola from the 110E5? How many more will it take before they do something about the one on the E6?
jovial edge
The game will probably die before then if we’re going by that
jovial kernel
E6 cupola isn't really that weak tbf
crimson cosmos
Is it comparable to the old E5 or tougher?
jovial edge
Can’t wait to get HESH’d
deft owl
@quick lichen Side tumor is modelled and its only 25mm. Everything can pen it with he rounds.
jovial kernel
E6 cupola is about 220m, not enough to block tier 10s but will stop many tier 9s
quick lichen
@deft owl sure. I doubt it stays
He pennable heavy from the front? I don’t think so
deft owl
Funny thing is side tumor was spaced armor, top tumor was much thinner. With update 5.6 they changed it to this.
The picture below is old model.
And this is the new model.
jovial kernel
yeah they made it solid this update for some reason, it was a decent tank before but now it's terribad
deft owl
I didnt understand why wg classfied this tank as heavy. The t95 chassis an medium tank chassis not heavy.
jovial kernel
yeah it's a medium on PC and has better armor lmao
quick lichen
If you scratch your head over this, don’t think about the k91
visual nimbus
You guys... judging a tank when you haven’t even seen its performance. smh...
red condor
Kv5 front turrets need a armor buff. Many tanks can easily pen them.
jovial kernel
@visual nimbus well it does say something about a tier 10 "heavy" that can be frontally penetrated by a BT-7 art. when it's hull down
quick lichen
@red condor such as?
red condor
Many other tier 8 and tier 7
Don’t get me wrong, I love the kv5 due to its weight and speed. Very good ramming ability. Just have to hide the turrets or wiggle the tanks a bunch.
visual nimbus
@jovial kernel Again I don’t think that view port will be part of the hitbox. it just doesn’t make sense it’s illogical
quick lichen
Lol what tier 7 is penning it frontally?
jovial kernel
Type 62 HEAT lmao
winged barn
The comet cries in fear
mellow ivy
...
twilit vale
...
visual nimbus
Something wrong there?
twilit vale
nothing ... noobs cant understand that...
visual nimbus
Just because there are two type 62s and a drac doesn’t mean it’s not winnable
shy wren
^^^
dim field
Honestly surprised the kv-2 and su-152 got zero dmg
shy wren
Prolly got nuked before getting their shots off. Happened to quite a few KV-2s that I’ve faced.
main fog
This channel for balance
The WG know nothing of balance
They only know how to fill the game with bots
Kids and bots using 121B
hate it so much
fossil crag
Played a few games today, didn't see a single 121B 🤔
thick condor
Same actually.
raw maple
This is how u balance
icy merlin
Pls someone tell me how to fix this problem!!!!
winged barn
Win
icy merlin
Lol thanks
hearty marsh
Ok this is gonna be long because i can only send 1 message:
Can someone please fix the premium system?
Currently any player can buy any premium tank at any time. This in turn creates a lot of players who have like 1k battles and a 121B or an IS6 .
Can we have a system where to buy a premium tank, the player must have, for example, 3 tanks of that teir each with maybe 50 - 300 battles depending on the teir.
This would mean any player with a premium tank is at least relatively familiar with tanks at that teir and would reduce the number of legitimate noobs at high teirs.
Thanks - get this to the game devs and please point out any major issues with my idea and help me gix them i would love to see this implemented in the game
unique scaffold
Yes your major issue is wg loves money like LOVES IT 🥰. So making requirements would mean lees money. Thus wg does not want to do it.
hearty marsh
Yeah fkn sucks
unique scaffold
Indeed. Unfortunately there is no way to stop “nubs” from buying high tier premium tanks.
queen stag
Loll Batchat player here xD Im just a silent reader
Batchat doesnt need nerf its an op tank if u can use it xd
modern fern
M3 lee is op
granite flicker
Lmao
shy wren
Valentine is better @modern fern
modern fern
@shy wren no u
shy wren
Bah, poor comeback from you. I expected more from you.
modern fern
K
deft owl
This channel is about balance not mm. Please complain about mm somewhere else.
willow elk
reminds me of a game i had ages ago in my 122-44 where i lost and got more XP than the top guy on the enemy team lmfao
formal forge
On my way to gt 7 kills in damn 4 years (cz the frust year i was an noobie with 53% wr) but all that 4 FREAKING YEAR they kill stealed me. I remember the worst one i was with kv2 told to me teammate "let me make 7kills please" but he killed the last enemy and the said "sorry" me: TRIGGERD
willow elk
I had a friendly KV-2 intentionally sit in between the last guy and me so i could get my 7th kill one time. I was a one shot so he ate all the hits for me
formal forge
Mine was worser cuz i told to him let me make 7 kills. The rest one was just by me bad luck
willow elk
the thing about epic medals like that is it never hurts to ask your team to let you get them but its hard to be mad at them if they dont give them to you
formal forge
Me extra mad and angery 4 years still no 7 kills medal for an 58.35% wr guy with 15k battle... shameing
timid fiber
i think i've only got 7 kills once
drowsy plaza
Not related to balance.
celest marlin
Lol ikr
crimson cosmos
I hate to dump it on them but maybe some of the Mods can clear out the drivel? Balance is too important and complex an issue without having to scroll through posts about bad play and stupid banter.
(Was that pompous enough? I can do better if you’d like. 😉 )
unique scaffold
Scavenger seems op and I see people with 5 battles with it
Low tiers became boring
That’s why
I know I youtube so I record them sometimes
rotund portal
Hey if u developers are reading this, can u PLEASE undo the tech tree changes from update 5.5! I find that very few people like them, and the low tiers are almost unplayable now! And buff the pen on the M7s' 75mm M3, because it doesn't make sense how the M7s' AP has worse pen than, for example, the M3 Lees' 75mm M3 AP pen, they're the exact same guns!
Please...
And I noticed that the KV-2 was needed again... what gives? It's already bad! You don't have to make it worse!
Nerfed not needed... I hate autocorrect...
quick lichen
KV-2 wasn’t nerfed
unique scaffold
It’s just people
Buy hacks or provisions to make the tank so it can’t miss provisions and hacks should be gone
Kv2 was never nerfed...
tepid cipher
Hacks don't exist. Provisions are a fair game mechanic.
lone obsidian
use provisions eats up creds
scarlet cargo
Ots slightly pay to win
lone obsidian
dont need em if ure crew skills r maxed
but do make a difference thats why ur option to buy
atomic hound
The improved fuel is a must... That 10% engine power buff is massive. (I run full rations and fuel on everything, but the fuel is especially important)
unique scaffold
@scarlet cargo ?? Its for credits. If it was for gold than yes
scarlet cargo
Well how do you make credits effectively without premium time or a premium tank
willow elk
there are a lot of tech tree tanks that make good profit
scarlet cargo
Ik its an option to do full provisions and all but it cost 10-20k per game to run and gives you slight advantages for spending those credits then it comes done to how you get credits again
unique scaffold
Don't use them if you want credits and stop crying here
lone obsidian
wana make creds no consumables or provisions
unique scaffold
Why is there tech tree tanks with such a bad credit coefficient ? IE JgPzE100 with 65%
lone obsidian
tuff battles but fun
willow elk
2.8 is why
unique scaffold
What happened in 2.8?
willow elk
they reduced the profitability of most tanks but reduced repair cost of a lot of high tier tanks
lone obsidian
think ammo cost has gone up??
willow elk
most tier 10 tanks were 20-25k to repair
lone obsidian
roll ur garage x2 then start over reset make good coin..dont auto resupply
ruby kite
More unbalanced russian copycats smh
deft owl
Lol Kv-2 literally have better he pen then jageroo he pen. Yeah totally fine
elfin marlin
UC-2P is worthless now, they reduced the DPM and took out the apcr and HE shells. also the loading time is to long for an avg 60dmg shot
now it is a worthless TD, no provisions so speed up the loading time and only 1 repair kit for an turretless TD.... real good balanced for the newbies,,,,, NOT
quick lichen
Every tier 2 got reworked and rebalanced
chrome epoch
Keep in mind that the UC is no longer part of the tech tree...
quick lichen
All tanks have the same loss of provisions, etc
It’s still balanced in its tier. There’s just less complicated stuff in tier 2 now
Makes it easier for new players
elfin marlin
like i said a TD with the same avg dmg as other tier 2 tanks isnt a TD anymore
quick lichen
A lot of guns alpha were reduced
elfin marlin
the TDs are not TDs anymore. they should have more alpha prt shots
tier 1 and 2 should have AP and HE rounds. tier 3 and higher should have APCR/ HEAT rounds.
and why is that complicated....? we all have learned to shoot with all kinds of ammo in tier 1. newbies shouldnt cry so much and learn the game by watching youtube
quick lichen
So an object 263 isn’t a tank destroyer because of Vk 72s and E100s?
I think you over estimate a new players desire to learn the game. 20% of new players stop playing blitz after 10 battles. I’d argue over complexity has a bit to do with that
elfin marlin
th obj263 has full options of consumables and provisions. also more alpha than some other tier 10 tanks
quick lichen
New players just want to shoot things and blow stuff up
Both German heavies have higher alpha than the 263
elfin marlin
not the leopard
quick lichen
HEAVIES
Alpha has nothing to do with being a td
There’s a trend of having higher pen and higher alpha
elfin marlin
obj263m has a faster reload. it does in tier 1 and 2
quick lichen
Well no. There are no tier 1 tank destroyers
elfin marlin
your right my bad. no tier 1
quick lichen
Tds in tier 2 have higher dpm than the mediums
elfin marlin
but against tier 3 you need the apce and he
quick lichen
Maybe against a pz 2 j
elfin marlin
also the amount of ammo is to low. you cant kill all 7 tanks. cause it takes 7 to 10 shots to kill an full hp enemy. also take in consider that not every shot is a hit or a pen
deft owl
If you guys looking for a trash t2 tank look for t2 light.
30 clip damage with 6 sec reload. Its awfull now.
elfin marlin
i think all low tiers are bad now. give newbies a better tutorial and the first 25 battles in a training room with other newbies
deft owl
@elfin marlin No. Pz3 is op now.
elfin marlin
realy? i sold it long time ago.
deft owl
Yep. Good armor good mobility good gun.
neat yew
The Panzer III was already really good before the rebalancing imo.
That being said anyone played the 50 M? What's your opinion on it because I'm incapable of making my own opinion on a tank I even have in the garage lol
slender briar
50 M seems boss rn
winged barn
50m solves every problem the e50 had
neat yew
I think it's a very good tank I just can't play that well with it. Considering switching to calibrated shells like I did on the Type 61.
slender briar
You should definitely switch to CS. Why run rammer in TX?
neat yew
I usually run it on tanks with capable guns like the IS-4, that being said if I'll get another tier X it'll probably have CS
winged barn
Impenetrable upper hull, trollish lower hull, great gun, decent turret, good gun depression, and fast=e50
neat yew
Probably gonna play with it next week with one of my friends and we'll see how I can play it then
deft owl
@neat yew E50m maybe has very good top speed but it has the worst p/w ratio of all tier x meds.
formal marten
wicked raven
OOF
visual nimbus
Russians
dense walrus
whats up with all Russian shit getting camos
and yet one of the best looking tanks in the game the Leo 1 still doesn't have a legendary camo
and neither does the Tiger 1, one of the most iconic real life tanks ever
and neither does the M4 Sherman, ditto
bold dagger
^
unique scaffold
You are one of the ppl who I have explained this to before
I distinctly remember having told you this multiple times
visual nimbus
I would like to see more camouflages for different nations
dense walrus
@unique scaffold what not working for WG or the camos?
unique scaffold
We don’t work for WG which means there is absolutely zero need to tag us
And again, you know this
dense walrus
yes i know this but where else are we supposed to give feedback than the official server? Or do you guys not listen either
literally just said not my job
bold dagger
we're not the people you talk to about feedback
dense walrus
so who do we talk to about feeback?
bold dagger
unless its feedback that can help us mods carry out for our volunteer work
WG. PM them if you wish or ping them here
dense walrus
🤣 ur funny. I DM'd Ribble on November 3rd. Nothing. Also aren't the forums for feedback? How is that going?
creating another way for them to ignore us and then have mods that say not my job doesn't help in the slightest
wow look at that just pretend nothing was even said
quick lichen
I would ignore you to when you behave like this
dense walrus
wdym I asked Ribble a question about the server and was highly complimentary. Either he doesn' care or he is never on. Now I'm asking about the camo imbalances. Get frustrated by the lack of answers. I'm sure nearly every other player would agree with me.
Please explain why this is ignore-worthy
rain ivy
Remove the 183 = bliss in T10 😂
unique scaffold
Realize this: Ribble likely gets hundreds of messages a day. He physically can’t respond to them all.
And to spell it out for you because you can’t seem to understand: the mods are here to moderate (look up the meaning of the word). We keep the server clean but are just players like you at the end of the day. This is your final warning. dont ping moderators again for something that doesn’t involve server violations that require our attention @dense walrus
If someone is behaving badly or posting inappropriate content, please tag us. Other than that, don’t use the tag
😄
dense walrus
so why can't players like me become mods then? And I disagree about Ribble. Who does he actually answer, forums or Discord?
unique scaffold
Because Ribble doesn’t know your character
dense walrus
well i was msging him about that
unique scaffold
¯_(ツ)_/¯
rain ivy
Like it's one thing when people play any other TD, but when people play the 183, it feels like they all suck
unique scaffold
You can disagree all you like, at the end of the day like I said, you are just one players among hundreds of thousands. A drop in an ocean. Ribble (or anyone else at WG) cannot possibly respond to every single players feedback
Just how the cookie crumbles
dense walrus
seems to us drops in the ocean that unless ur a fancy mod then they don't respond to us at all
rain ivy
It's no fun when you see two every match
dense walrus
apparently veteran players and average players dont matter. Also @rain ivy stfu
rain ivy
@dense walrus Dude, just chill out, legendary camo will come for all, also, this is balance discussion, I'm in the proper channel to say that the 183 is unbalanced
dense walrus
bro will it really? and if so why not distribute then evenly instead of Soviet-Soviet-Soviet
rain ivy
Use common sense. They put them on popular and new tanks first.
So, make the tiger 1 or (insert tank here) popular, and one will be made.
Right now it's been Russian, Russian, Russian because Russian tanks are the most popular
lost locust
Yes its terrible russian dominated every player see this = unbalanced also seen in Camouflage content
jade cargoBOT
tankeatingtiger#1750 was muted
rain ivy
Does my logic make sense guys? 🤔
worthy basin
It's amazing how wound up someone can be and how it can take away their ability to be polite
Sounds logical to me, @rain ivy
Though it's not just been Russian tanks
rain ivy
I'm wound up about the 183, but I also work as a cashier 😂 👌
No, it's been others too, wasn't there a Chinese one and I forget the others.
worthy basin
Wg distributes them about evenly, but prem tanks and tier X have priority
rain ivy
One of the funniest things, I actually hadn't played much Russian vehicles until this past year
So since this year's blitz fair is less than stellar for my taste, I might pick up the T22 med
worthy basin
Good luck =) hope you can get it
rain ivy
When all else fails, spend the cash lol
I really want the E6, but it doesn't look like I will be able to get it with how it's set up. So I think I can get the T22
But thanks for the vode of confidence @worthy basin
worthy basin
I honestly just hope wg made it possible to get it for free. But since it's wargaming and the prize is a tier X tank, I highly doubt it
rain ivy
Same, though I was really looking forward to the auction this year. But it seems they decided to do major changes to it, so we'll see.
terse plinth
You do know he can’t respond to you right @unique scaffold
quick lichen
@unique scaffold read up
rain ivy
@quick lichen like the new logo, should use it year round