@jovial kernel just for you. 🤘
#tank-balance-discussion
drowsy plaza
glad creek
They should make a rule for people who don't have up to tier 6 so they can't buy a premium tank from store or tech tree, less nubs in high tiers
drowsy plaza
@glad creek There are thousands of nubs who failed to X in the tech tree. Bad Wallet Warriors don’t make it any worse.
glad creek
Why is the instant upgrade 10k gold is my leo besides gun while I can free exp it for 3.8k gold
torpid fog
NO.1 8tier OP tank
jovial kernel
meh
torpid fog
borsig?wat that mean
opaque crescent
The subject of Honor system. Why don't I have more downvotes? If someone does 0 dmg or is AFK they should absolutly get a downvote
my mistake srry
right but i dont have enough cuz the players in high teir need them
late tiger
I don't know about you guys but I am seal clubbing SU76I - 200 battles 70%+ win ration
woven dawn
near geyser
Pls do something to the bulldog
uncut belfry
@late tiger gross
unique scaffold
@near geyser What is wrong with the Bulldog?
regal patio
:(
exotic pelican
compared to the IS-3 the Defenders (IS-3 Defender) top hatch is much weaker, 20mm, so pretty much all guns at the tier can pen the Defenders top hatch but it is taller than an IS-3, but having the taller turret also makes the Defenders turret sides and rear weaker but it hides the top hatch better, so if your above or taller than a Defender you can pen it easily. But the Defenders hull armor is stronger, the front had about the same angles and armor as the IS-3 but the Defender has these rectangles where "track" armor would be which is not spaced armor but it is 130mm rather than 110mm of armor and the more upper part of the Defender is at a slightly steeper angle. With side armor the Defenders spaced armor is more vertically so it has better side armor as well.
clever mauve
@late tiger SAME
sour bone
Lol just got ace with e100
unique scaffold
I'm still really curious what is wrong with the Bulldog.
exotic pelican
Bulldogs is really fast with it's terrain resistance stats, pretty good DPM, and light tank camo and view range, I don't see anything wrong with it.
unique scaffold
@late tiger language.
late tiger
@unique scaffold actually I censored myself so technically it is not said straightforward
quick lichen
@late tiger don’t make me balance you
late tiger
Ok ok I stop
spark star
tier X Tank Destroyers need some sort of global nerf
they just have way too much jurisdiction on what happens around the whole map
oh also
they do not have a single effective counter as of yet
they still dont have single effective counter
their only counter is themselves
once a TD is on an optimal position, they just have the rights on whos going to garage first
seriously what the point of the batchat if you couldnt outspot a gigantic 183 that has the size of two cottages until it fires?
ebon swift
They should add 90mm d15 gun on AMX elc bis plz
spark star
since meds were nerfed, the TDs have came out of the woodwork and pretty much the king of tier X
alpha speaks
exotic pelican
If they added M551 Sheridan would that possible be a good counter? It is literally made of spaced armor
And to be honest I'm also just saying this because I want a Tier X T49
spark star
no
some TDs have actual armour
what the Sheridan will do however is shit on Centurions, STBs, Batchats and Leopards which are all already rare
unique scaffold
All TD's are the the problem in tier X. The sheer number of them being played is off the charts. Seeing 6+ TD's in a game is ridiculous. They should be hard capped at two per team. No exceptions.
exotic pelican
But you don't have to use the Derp gun, you got the 105mm gun
jovial kernel
Yeah like the 3 artillery per team cap on WoT PC
We don't need another tank to discourage people from playing medium tanks
spark star
another problem of tier X TDs is ease of use
TDs have it easy
you get nice, comfortable spots on where you eat, you have equipment to mitigate your weaknesses
you can go large on corridors or peek a boom maps and take a large crap on anyone who even dares to weed you out of the spot
and it does not take one tank to take you out
it needs to be a cooperated push
exotic pelican
Even the Jageru the gigantic thing
jovial kernel
And no one is going to help because no one wants to take 1600 from a 183
exotic pelican
They say the 183, it being the second biggest Tier X TD, having bad accuracy and bad armor makes it balanced, but most of the maps Tier X play are big enough for it to hide, and to even spot and hit it you have to approach it one way or another which gives them a easier target.
jovial kernel
And lets not forget that is has stupid camo rating for some reason and not bad mobility
exotic pelican
I remember one time me and my cousin (who owns a 183) platooned and I was in my Jageru and we both double tapped a Obj.140 and he lost everything, full HP. He wasn't even a bad player...
jovial kernel
Yeah the tank just breaks tier 10 outright
dim field
So what if they fixed it's camo rating?
like a negative rating?
jovial kernel
Or just delet
dim field
Pls no
exotic pelican
it is a tech tree tank so Wargaming can do anything they want with it
dim field
I don't even have the tank, but the thought of more tanks being deleted is just oof
jovial kernel
WoT PC delet it
dim field
I don't play pc
exotic pelican
It good to know some of the PC stuff, usually they bring stuff from PC to a balanced sometimes balanced level
frozen monolith
cough Ke-Ni Otsu cough so balance.
slender briar
Nerf accuracy to . 4, bloom to . 25, prem alpha to 1100, and swap camo values with the grille.
Make 183 a collector. Put the badger in it's place. For 2 weeks offer a badger cert, 1k gold, and 100% refund on equipment for selling the 183.
After that, let remaining 183s stay
dim field
Guess i better grind for 183
slender briar
No
exotic pelican
I've tried the 183 before on a different account but I wouldn't want one, not my kind of tank
unique scaffold
My first battle with it since its T2
minor grail
jovial kernel
People say the IS-6 needs more armor or better guns, but honestly the tank is fine as is. I would however very much enjoy a mobility buff over both of those as it is currently the slowest tier 8 IS tank.
jovial kernel
No the gun is fine, buff mobility if anything. I don't think it needs a buff but if they buff anything I want the mobility buffed
minor grail
in my surroundings it is called a manure spreader (no offense)
jovial kernel
184mm pen is enough, and the armor still works, but as the tank works best for shredding enemy medium tanks, some more mobility would be rather nice to have
If I were buffing the tank I'd give it 42 kph top speed and 75 more engine horsepower
neat yew
I have a feeling the Type 61 is a bit underpowered, but the gun is great and the gun depression and the on par mobility helps it a lot too. I'm at a dilemma with it.
jovial kernel
It's an oddly not bad tank, similar to the VK 45.02 A
visual nimbus
I feel the Tiger ll is very weak
jovial kernel
That's because it is
worn cradle
Just buff the vk 45.02 A. Its bad at everything. Bad armour, gun, speed, gun depression and everything
jovial kernel
well there are people that like it so ask raik how to play it or someone
upbeat tide
it's fast-ish
violet burrow
It's a medium
jovial kernel
^^ yeet
jovial kernel
is the M6A2E1 the best tech tree premium
better average winrate than both Helsing and Dracula
dim field
Honestly i dunno. I got one during Black Friday but so far most my matches I've been bottom tier with only one other tier 7.
jovial kernel
in tier 7 it only loses on average winrate to the Lupus
dim field
If they sell the lupus again I'm immediately buying it. I hate fighting that thing.
jovial kernel
same probably even though I hate op premiums, it's the only way for an average player to not lose more than they win at this point
drowsy plaza
Wait someone wants the IS-6 buffed? Pardon.
dim field
It seems like a killer tank but with my luck all I'm gonna fight is tier 8 with it. Everytime i get an "op" tank mm decides to pit me against almost nothing but higher tier tanks first 20 or so battles.
.
Why would is-6 ned a buff? Isn't it supposed to be slighly less armored is-3 but more mobility?
jovial kernel
Plenty of people think the IS-6 is bad for some reason and I think that proposals of buffing the armor or gun are stupid, while the mobility is the only thing I see that might need a buff
shy wren
So you’re only asking for soft stats and mobility buffs, is that correct?
jovial kernel
I don't think it needs a buff at all, but if it does get a buff it better be a mobility buff and the rest of the tank should be left untouched
shy wren
Nah, they’re perfectly good hulldown, no need for such gun depression buffs.
jovial kernel
lol they're fine
Meanwhile IS-3D with 7 degrees
to be fair at least it makes up for it with a 20mm turret roof
more like turret oof amirite
I'll be here all night folks
slender briar
It's time to ⏹
spark badge
I need a buff not the is6 it’s fine as it is just a bit mobility
jovial kernel
I think the same, the tank is fine but a little mobility would be nice
spark badge
Still bounces shots that old fart
winged barn
I wouldn't mind it getting a buff...
It doesn't need one though
jovial kernel
^^^ doesn't need a buff but some more speed is welcome
brisk lily
@unique scaffold How did you get a mastery when this was my first battle in the amx?https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472797774719614987/518674367706562560/image0.png
drowsy plaza
Carry harder
I know it’s not the same thing. - but darn some of those low tier aces are getting crazy high bar requirements
limpid elm
🤔 Does this mean seal clubbing still exist?
violet burrow
Or is that the new people are having good exp...
limpid elm
🤔
dim field
Don't they verse bots? Hopefully they get high xp against bots
obsidian osprey
It’s easier to get high damage at low tiers because the games last so long, you can usually get your shots in. No 10,000 battles exclusively T-46/A-20 clubbers coming in to steal your damage helps too
crystal spoke
I just love it when people like that go high teir and try acting like they are the best at that teir when they have 10 battles
dim field
Like the people who had 20k battles in a t46 tell you an isu-152 can drive faster if you get gud and instead of HEing them from a distance you shouod drive your isu-152 intothe close quaters area against two ru's.
crystal spoke
Definitely
unique scaffold
appeal to you dear wg! how can you play with "wg" bots, and lose, only that they are not playing, and dragging the whole fight. I can't understand why our server is played by 29k players, but they throw all the same with bots, already at all levels. in the clans of the players, the nerves are already at the limit, and then everything becomes worse and worse. already a platoon does not help pull out the battle. I don’t know about you, but it’s not fair to live players ...
sullen vault
Carry harder nub
drowsy plaza
@unique scaffold WG bots are only low tier, and only for new players first battles (under 500 IIRC).
somber mauve
183 needs to be rebalanced, it's just too no brainer at it's current state 🤔
point at general direction of enemy = 100% damage
iron hearth
Yeah it should get armor buff it can be pen too easly give it jpz e100 armor
And dpm buff reload every 15 seconds
tiny cairn
and a 360 degrees turret rotation
iron tartan
And 70kmph top speed👌
fiery cairn
Its need to be nerfed in some aspects
unique scaffold
There just needs to be a hard cap of 2 tank destroyers per team. The 183 really isn't a problem. It's the sheer number of TD's per game.
fiery cairn
I agree
prisma dune
I guess they didn’t get around to fixing some of the balance issues from 5.5? Maybe next update.
cunning kindle
Only thing i find broken about 183 is how does it have more camo than grille
fiery cairn
But I still think the Fv 183 should receive minor changes
prisma dune
Camo in 183 probably has to do with the physical aspect. It’s still harder to camo a large chassis
solar flicker
@somber mauve I get what you are talking about with the 183 but not everyone will agree to that change, and the 183 is such a famous derp tank that so many people will get upset with that decision. Just think of what would happen if the KV-2 got a massive nerf?
lusty spear
Hi
gentle matrix
m48 needs more love,
worn cradle
@NoT_ClulY#2875
drowsy plaza
As @unique scaffold said, the 183 while annoying isn’t an issue in and of itself. Sure it has huge alpha, but most of it’s damage generally comes during the end of a loss. The issue is simply TD spam in 9-10 (mostly X). Seeing 3-4 TD’s per side is really not dynamic or enjoyable. They need to type limit TD’s to 2 max / side. I get a lot of TD’s get played to negate the heavy spam - but it’s created TD spam.
cold vale
I agree the 183 is not overpowered in the least. It can be frustrating but that doesn't mean its overpowered. (I play BC at tier 10) The annoying this is the game meta which, right now, is high TDs long match times and anyone who pushed even a little too hard gets derped. If the mediums got a slight buff this would remove this aspect a little.
lone obsidian
Still no update though on hero trolls ..
Had two new mates with under 500battles learning game..Get troled by 20000 plus players on tier 3 ..Cmon man
still seal clubbers with a bad attitude..
unique scaffold
@lone obsidian. if you were platooning with the players in question they are going to be pulled into your matchmaking queue. They will not have the benefit of playing against other low battle count players.
lone obsidian
true.That is why i dont toon with em..As a clan lead i have to hear the troll report then commence to inform said trolls in a polite way..
iron tartan
This game is soo hard on new players man....
lone obsidian
have 10 mates learning dont need em getting dished
unique scaffold
Gotcha perhaps the mm does not split when there's low server population or perhaps update 5.6 messed something up.
lone obsidian
possibly
my kids play hard and well and do not troll 2 a point ..I just usually screenshot the babble and may have 2 use it later
never will report anyone thats a waste of time
How can u have a compltely untrustworthy dude still playing...With the exception of inactive that is a bs neg..Lag happens
I had a compaint against me monday inactive..Not bad ratio 8921 pos 16 negs ..Think the honor system has to go bye bye
update is fine took 2 minutes ..Cool new map.Better training room gang big mmap
glitch is battle is done ..Takes a min before reset doesnt record battle
sullen vault
183 still needs to recieve nerfs even if u think the problem relies on the td spam,its the fact that it has amazing camo for as large as it is and to have a turret.all u need to do is poke with ur rear mounted turret,pull of either 300-600 with non pens or 1k-1.5k with pens,fall back and get unspotted in 5sec and not get shot.pfft not broken
quick lichen
It just needs to be removed
lone obsidian
dont have 1 what is it ??
sullen vault
I played it and ofc when against it,its honestly way too easy to play and not enough punishment
sullen vault
You guys should realize ur removing 3/4 of a tanks health in one shot and likely not getting shot for it if u just act smart.its 7v7,one tanks effectiveness down ina split second by just one tank.
slender briar
Nerf accuracy to . 4, bloom to . 25, prem alpha to 1100, and swap camo values with the grille.
Make 183 a collector. Put the badger in it's place. For 2 weeks offer a badger cert, 1k gold, and 100% refund on equipment for selling the 183.
After that, let remaining 183s stay
lone obsidian
badger?
cunning kindle
Just nerf its camo
slender briar
Rip me
cunning kindle
I hate the fact that a 183 can outplay a batchat by just sitting in a bush
lone obsidian
sounds like code
sullen vault
Not to mention the 183 doesnt even fit its own lines playstyle,nothing in common other than being a td.like cmon people
lone obsidian
sounds like a derper
sullen vault
Its the most broken derper.even better derper than the kv2 because its not as fustrating
lone obsidian
tnks _Legacy ...
cant keep track of theses tanks
another game ..No record of battle
ohoh here comes the complaints
indigo knot
I was seeing blitzstars
And I am still not OK to see that wz113 ft
tier 10 Chinese TD having better heat pen than JagE100
indigo knot
Doesn't matter JagE100 has better pen in PC
lone obsidian
why is pc better than pads or phones ..Same deal
indigo knot
And the highest heat pen was a special feature of JagE100 not happy to see that some other Td having better heat pen than it
exotic pelican
@indigo knot it's in the game but it's not officially released yet so it's probably subject to change
hidden scaffold
Remove the 183 from this game
4300 damage without leaving spawn, sitting unspotted in a bush
summer notch
@hidden scaffold hahahaha
You know its bad when even pramo members think its overpowered
ivory fractal
iron hearth
@prime ridge wich tank is trying to shoot it?
prime ridge
upper one is IS-4 and other one is T-55A(ap shell)
iron hearth
wow this tank is a beast in reverse sidescraping
steep laurel
It's bad in every other aspect
The gun handling will make you cry and the armor will make everyone feel like they're a hot knife going through butter
Unless WG buffs it over the base stats from PC
cinder flax
183 is cancer. I know you feel dirty when you press battle with it as your tank
And you should feel dirty lol
lapis shadow
If the 183 gets replaced by the Badger, make it that players have the 183 to have the Badger for free since it would be pointless just to grind the tank
robust grail
@prime ridge some more pics of that tank?
slender briar
Or just reset 183 players progress on the line
small flame
no one is saying the 183 is overpowered. just bad for the health of the game, taking no skill, and makes no sense off the line
lone obsidian
wow still yipping 183 guess ill have to buy mine back
raw maple
Replace the 183 with the badger and put the trash barn fv4005 in the tech tree. @lapis shadow they would let the people who have it keep the 183 and they would get the badger for free
frosty oasis
I am all for getting a free tank
raw maple
Lol that’s why I want them to do it
frosty oasis
That was why I bought the tank but wg hasn't done what they are supposed to do, lol
iron hearth
same i bought all the tanks that wg will replace like 183 ,fv2002,fv215b
so when they will add the new tier 10 i will get themm for free 🤑
grave bear
wtf is fv2002
iron hearth
the british medium
unique scaffold
4202 @iron hearth
jovial kernel
they should add AX and Super Conq but also keep the current tier 10 british tanks
drowsy plaza
Great more fake tanks.
jovial kernel
Am I the only person who doesn't mind fake tanks as long as they're not broken?
jovial kernel
Excellent toon mate you had there oof
astral plank
he had bad ping
jovial kernel
.> fired one shot and died though
unique scaffold
Two TD's may not be the best combo either....
jovial kernel
I mean at least he did 3.8k to be fair but yeah the platoon composition is hardly ideal
lone warren
i liked toons with a maus and ms-1
uncut belfry
unique scaffold
XD
raw maple
@iron hearth what about the obj 263 it will become the obj 263 v4
jovial kernel
the 263 is a unique line that works with dpm rather than alpha so I hope that never happens
raw maple
Oof, Lmao that video was hilarious 😂 and honestly all true
cinder flax
please nerf 183 so tier 10 is playable again
dim field
Nerf it how?
raw maple
Replace it with badger godddddd
prisma dune
Man the 183 complaint get old fast. I keep seeing them.
lusty spear
Who likes the 152
jovial kernel
183 is bad for the game
lusty spear
The 152 needs more penatration
jovial kernel
No
lusty spear
Yes
jovial kernel
Dude you have a 250 pen heat shell
lusty spear
The ap is useless unless its the side of a tank
jovial kernel
You can frontally pen tier 8 heavies and remove 1/3 of their health so no
sleek vault
You can frontally pen tier 8 heavies and remove 1/3 of their health so no (2)
ivory flint
Okay, can I please stop being top damage with 3k or more on a team full of people who cant break 1k at tier 8? I'm not an exceptional player by any means but I feel like a valiant effort isnt enough consolation for being stuck on teams with endless noobs my whole tanking career. Its no crime to be bad at videogames but can't the badness be spread roughly evenly?
unique scaffold
It is spread evenly
sleek vault
maybe you should consider a rest because it's bad for your mental health 😂
or just getting used to it
hidden solstice
I have proof the isu 152 needs a nerf or the American tier 9 TDs needs buffs
jovial kernel
Hey can we better balanced the PC vs. Mobile situation and make up for mobile's worse situational awareness and aiming by giving it both current auto aim and a target lock button that's actually PC auto aim?
winged barn
T95 vs isu
Who wins?
Never the isu
jovial kernel
The M6A2E1 might potentially be a bit unbalanced, not that you'd nerf it since it's premium.
Seriously why is that tank available for anyone who wants it whenever they want it
hidden solstice
@winged barn I never said the isu would win in saying the isu has everything about it better but the HP and the armor everything else on the isu is better and it's one tier lower then the t95
unique scaffold
Holy cow there’s nothing wrong with the 183. Just learn how to use cover and it won’t be a problem...
jovial kernel
Learn to use cover to hide from the tank you don't know the position of
genius
jovial kernel
He was talking about normal SU-152 but was still a stupid question considering the broken heat shells on that thing
jovial kernel
The HEAT might need some nerfing on that tank if anything
quick lichen
He splash is still decently effective as well
bronze mica
VK 72.01K suck
jovial kernel
Eh, it has very nice frontal armor but it doesn't really bring too much to the table
autumn zodiac
I've been doing fine, please buff it.
visual nimbus
I feel the 72.01K is fairly easy to deal with
gentle matrix
vk100p too strong frontally with lower glacis plate being the only visible weakpoint
jovial kernel
Then don't fight it frontally??
gentle matrix
no no like its armour even with premo is still red
visual nimbus
Tough tank but can be dealt with
jovial kernel
^^^ Try to ignore it and shoot other targets, then when there's no opposition left you can push and shoot the flat 130mm sides
autumn roost
Teach the new players how to play this god damn game, 30% wr are everywhere now. Earlier they used to be decent with 40%. Come on, playing with them in the Red team is fine unless they join my team and Yolo to death. You cant just always carry your drowning team. They are affecting our WR too...!
dim field
Why is it ok for them to be in red team, but a problem when they're in your team? Both sides get them, it balances itself out. You could maybe help them learn the game. Give em some tips during game or even after game
vast steeple
true; players being nice and helping is very much appreciated when you're a beginner, or have a hard time increasing your wr
I use to be a 44% newbie, now I m glad friends and strangers came to help me
grave bear
no one ever helped me and now i have super unicum in a tier X and 63wr
dim field
I used to be 30%, then i started trying to be more serious in battles and joined a clan
vast steeple
yeah you can also get better on your own, but not everyone can do that
grave bear
i think everyone can
vast steeple
i disagree, not everyone can improve that much. you do you
dim field
Everyone can, but it's faster if people help you. Literally had a dude rage, and then when i said sorry and that i still was trying to figure out how to play a certain tank. They straight up gave me pointers and took me to a training room to show me some spots
grave bear
i started with 40%, like any avg player
to improve your stats and get better, start a new account from 0. it helped me a lot :))
vast steeple
exactly, you improve faster with people's help
dim field
I don't think starting a new account will help you improve outside of just fluffing your stats.
vast steeple
Yeah, i dit that too. even if I have already improved a lot on my main account
grave bear
no it does, i had 55wr in 30 days, now in my reroll i have 63wr and 68 in 30days stats
(13k battles with 8.1 avg tier)
vast steeple
yeah, with a new account i haven't my old stat sticking around
dim field
But that only fluffs your stats.
You haven't learned anything new by making a new account.
vast steeple
well, i can see my real stats without the stats I had years ago
sorry it is unclear :/
dim field
You can also just use blitzstars to see your 30 day stats
vast steeple
yeah I do that, but it is kinda frustrating XD but I get your point
dim field
I've thought about doing a re-roll but I'd lose quite a few tanks. Would be interesting to see what i would be at if I hadn't goofed inthe beginning.
30% wr and 2.5k battles before i started actually trying to learn some stuff. (Like hull down, slinging, etc)
My 30 day varries between 55% and 60%
vast steeple
yeah exactly. I won't let down my main account either, i have too many tanks I love on it
dim field
I have maybe 130-140 tanks? Need to recount sometime. (Have not played them all so mastery stat isn't accurate)
vast steeple
I don't have that much, but some premiums I love too much XD
iron hearth
Im still waiting for type59 buff the gun handling in this tank is the worse base aim time and dispersion are the worst among all tier 8 mediums
Instead wg buffs useless tanks like panther 8.8 and isu130 who uses these tanks 😂
jovial kernel
Type 59 is fine buff T-44 and T-44-100
dim field
T-44-100 was the one people said was t49 bait, right?
jovial kernel
yeah but it loses 2 degrees of gun depression and engine horsepower for 8mm sideskirts
slender briar
But we all know how scary and overpowered the T49 is...
dim field
I can understand horsepower loss, but gun depression?
unique scaffold
@vast steeple I’ve tried to give pointers to the low wr players and a lot of them either don’t listen or respond or say “don’t tell me what to do” and at that point they should just leave the app honestly
I got two masteries in my 49 today 😊
vast steeple
@unique scaffold yeah some don't want to improve but not everyone. but thanks for helping : D and gg!
unique scaffold
Well sometimes I try helping think I rage a lot more though unless the player is aware of their skill level and admit they suck then I’ll help
vast steeple
if they really dont want to, let them sink XD don't lose your time
this kind of people are lost and hopeless
unique scaffold
Yup you’re right, what I’ve started to do now is when I see a player playing a premium tank he has no business playing cuz of his stats I’ll pm him and say “how’s it feel to have wasted x dollars for that tank?” Lmao
vast steeple
oof
slender briar
Low wr players are morons 80% of the time.
vast steeple
well, depends if they're newbie or not
slender briar
Nah, 80% of the time their breath will smell like windex
vast steeple
ah
grave bear
their gun is 3 times better than all other med tanks gun
iron hearth
i can confirm im grinding the e50m line and currently im playing the panther 2 my overall wr is 55% nothing special average wr but on the panther2 i have 45% wr
modern fern
Well you’ll enjoy e50 grind
Much better than panther
iron hearth
im using premium certificates to make the grind faster i really hate this tank
raven jewel
Hey guys
crimson cosmos
The E50M is worth the pain. Though I still can’t seem to figure out if I’m better off playing as a mobile heavy or a well armored medium.
modern fern
Stock grind isn’t as bad as pta
raven jewel
Can someone help me grind I ain’t played this game in ages
modern fern
@raven jewel what server
raven jewel
I got Tier 6 tank and I can use mic if u rebglish
iron hearth
pta grind is the worse i have bad memories of it but after you get the 105 is really good
grave bear
panther II suck pen? lol? and what about all chineese and russian meds? ..
drowsy plaza
Anyone complaining about the PTA stock grind has clearly never stock ground the WZ-120
The WZ-120 stock with 50% crew makes you yearn for a PTA stock grind. Yes, I had the free exp and gold not to stock grind it - but I had decided to stock grind all the Chinese lines. —-> #neveragain
exotic pelican
Grinding the WZ-120 and PT A from stock are hours of your life you'll never get back
grave bear
m46 patton stock, t95 stock and e50 stock are the worst
chrome epoch
Kv-1 stock is pretty darn bad, can't even pen another kv-1
grave bear
but it's a tier 5.. 4 battles and you unlocked all modules
try to challenge tier X super heavies with 220 alpha dmg , no turret armor, e75's mobility, 7.5 reload and 200pen
chrome epoch
I've had 4 battles in it, and I'm nowhere near being able to upgrade anything.
iron lynx
ST-1 stock is worst
At least for meds you can go for the softer ones, and for T95 you can rely on armor
unique scaffold
Kv-1 stock is adequate
iron lynx
In ST-1 you can't pen, you can't bounce (stocc turret), you can't flank and you definitely can't run.
tawny finch
ayy
unique scaffold
Jgpze e100 or deathstar
tawny finch
deathstar
astral plank
totally balanced
drowsy plaza
Dude dual tooning WT’s or any from that line is a terrible idea.
chrome epoch
I've seen some dual toons that probably helped that team win the game.
cyan summit
hum tutorials reworks worked well... he rushed at 1 minutes left and got os by deathstar, balance it pls
wt pz4 is god like today :p
drowsy plaza
@chrome epoch the problem with dual tooning the Grille line is your both paper HE magnets that can’t spot or hold the line. Don’t expect team to do either.
chrome epoch
I was talking more about like dual M4A3E8 or dual KV-1 or KV-2...
drowsy plaza
Roger. My only comment on dual toons was it’s a bad idea for the Grille line.
chrome epoch
There are lots of bad ideas in Blitz, but people still enact them.
jovial kernel
TD platoons only work if you can 2 tap enemies
drowsy plaza
I just notice that my initial post got autowrecked - edited it for clarity
cyan summit
the problem in the screen with platoon is
1 : the skill of the team
2 : the god mm with only 1 armored tank
drowsy plaza
@jovial kernel or its horribly OP and has mobility and DPM with its armor.
jovial kernel
or that yep
Oh my, these guys got Wasteland removed 😦 I'd literally rather have them delete Mines
chrome epoch
Wasteland is more unbalanced than Mines
slender briar
Mines is lit
drowsy plaza
Both aren’t great maps for 9-10
slender briar
I like Mines because you can spot camping 183s from the hill entrance
drowsy plaza
Not if they are in cam net and pushed back a bit from the bushes.
jovial kernel
Yeah they just camp the bushes and the moment they get spotted they just pull back behind a rock
slender briar
I should specify *bad 183s
Good ones will move around. Bad ones will keep shooting AP at my IS4 turret despite bouncing 3 times already
jovial kernel
You don't need to be good to know to move 5m to get behind a rock
slender briar
It requires something that many seem to lack
drowsy plaza
The main issue I have with Mines is its generally a train wreck of some noob getting deleted rushing up the hill entrance due to three camping TD’s. Then some other clown will push. Then one team is down 2 tanks inside 30 seconds.
jovial kernel
Even worse when the one pushing and dying is a top tier medium tank with gun depression that has the highest dpm on the team
slender briar
Anything slower than 60kph should really consider not going up the hill
Alas
quiet grotto
No one should go hill. Play near the entrance
jovial kernel
Depends on team composition
drowsy plaza
You don’t need the hill, you just need to control the hill entrance
slender briar
It’s nice to spot TDs
severe valve
It’s nice to get nuked by tds
jovial kernel
Getting the hill makes it harder for the other team to take the entrance back, but if the enemy team composition is right you can rush and take it with an IS-6
quiet grotto
Is6 is trash
slender briar
Just opens another angle for engagement
hard stone
@drowsy plaza is absolutely correct. Control entrance area and pressure, but new Mines does not require hill control. Honestly, the "need" to get hill is a real problem in pub games. The hill itself is small and it is easy to get shots on tanks that are hunkered down there. An active mobile team has a huge advantage on Mines if they simply DO NOT yolo die at the start for the stupid hill.
Flanks on Mines can be incredibly effective, yet many still camp back or die on hill for no reason.
severe valve
Is6 still better than is5
tepid cipher
The first part of the hill is a must have, but there's rarely a use in going all the way up
hard stone
Agree.
jovial kernel
the hill is very nice to have a T49 on though
chrome epoch
In low tier games, the hill is useful as a meat steel grinder, helps get the enemy team to low health, and then you can flank the enemy and finish em off. Only works in Rambo-style tanks though, like meds/lights/light td's
jovial kernel
still though, delete mines and bring back Wasteland when
mighty plover
jovial kernel
How? It's the same game over and over again, you just push to the center of the map and hide behind a rock for the rest of the game so you don't get shot up by TDs
drowsy plaza
T49’s best spot is side derping some yolo at the start back from the entrance. If a T49 goes up top on the hill every living red will zing HE at it. Plus you immediately lose your mobility advantage
jovial kernel
Well if a T49 can get on hill it's extremely useful in taking the entrance, so making that play is a bit of a gamble
iron lynx
I don't even know where to go in Mines in my AMX 50 120
I usually go mid, but the turret armor and gun depression is really bad
fringe summit
Your better off in the town I guess... @iron lynx
drowsy plaza
Be a support tank
iron lynx
Ye I tried to support those heavies in the middle
But I usually get only one or two shots
Quite bad as I have to reload often
umbral hound
I am not an expert but I think if you ignore the hill in mines you are going to have a bad time. I don't think you should crest the hill unless it is uncontested. You should stop the reds from getting over the hill or getting to the high ground territory on the side up there.
jovial kernel
you don't even need to shoot just be there so the enemy team knows they'll have to risk being shot
iron lynx
The problem is even if I reached the mid hill area, those meds/lights are definitely getting up because I haven't even reloaded my first drum yet
drowsy plaza
Don’t crest. - just deny
wraith solar
Sturer needs much higher hp and possibly fire rate
drowsy plaza
That way anyone who pokes gets hit.
wraith solar
Sturer is not good in my opinion i gave it several chances over the space of a year nothing can change my mind
iron lynx
So now I basically hide downhill (around the entrance, but not near the top enough to get shot), and wait for any poking guys.
But I usually deal sub-1k damage in that map
jovial kernel
Basically you stay back further away or push to the rock
drowsy plaza
@iron lynx wait for clean up or isolated tanks to clip.
iron lynx
Hmm
Okay I'll try
quiet grotto
@jovial kernel what’s your WR and average damage?
iron lynx
95% and 5630 avg
dim field
I usually hang near spawn if I'm a Td to deal with flankers and pop any reds who ride up hill. (Depending on the td I'm using, a nice 800 dmg suddenly will make many folks hesitate to take that hill)
If I'm not a Td i'll hang towards the bottom to pressure any reds trying to take hill or I'll swing towards town to flank em. Depends how agressive the reds are and how agressive the greens are. Rarely do I go a top hill. Usually because most my tanks lack gun depression needed so when I'm on hill I have to over extend to even line up a shot, which results in me getting hit atleast once to trade a shot. Three times if the reds are patient.
quiet grotto
If u divided by 3 might be more accurate @iron lynx
unique scaffold
The most important thing missing in Today's world of tank Blitz is proper communication system. Because new players even at high tiers do not work in a Team way just because of lack of Communication. Experience players have went through all those pain and knows how to look minimap and understand when to push or not to push. But new players with find it hard to even care about Minimap system. So in my opinion the best way to make them work in team coordination is by giving all of us better enhanced communication system built-in game.
plucky acorn
@unique scaffold I use the quick commands all the time, but I feel that most new players dont look at the chat
jovial kernel
I mean it could be Mines
unique scaffold
I want a Berlin map
@plucky acorn i know, that is why i think developers should work on it. By adding more quick commands as well as it would be best to change the Sound of each command to get everone's Attention.
Or Add Short Voice Bot commands
Berlin would be a cool map to play in
Try Normandy meanwhile
Stalingrad would be cool too, and other Historical locations like Cologne and Caen
raw maple
Yes
jovial kernel
Pilsen would be nice in blitz
old notch
So, I saw the Panther 8.8 changes:
Side from 50mm to 40/60mm.
May I know the 40mm places? That place is so gonna be 122mm magnet
old notch
ahh... how thick was the tracks again?
plucky acorn
25mm for the tracks and 5mm for the side skirt @old notch
safe zodiac
? is the is2 1945 going to get the rework or no because there is a realy ocd peice on the side of the turret that will make ocd people freak out
unique scaffold
What?
safe zodiac
yea there is a part of the turret that is fcked on the is2 1945 that looks like the devs when making the tank forgot about the little bits
unique scaffold
Show a pic
safe zodiac
one sec i am sending the photo its a weird thing on it that enemy tanks can hit without bounceing and do dmg and dont have to worry about bouncing
u see it @unique scaffold
grave bear
wtf ar eu ralking about?
safe zodiac
see the side of the tank that bulge on the turret shouldn't be there
grave bear
mh
safe zodiac
that is anoying
ivory lance
oh i see it
unique scaffold
The lump of soviet prosperity
safe zodiac
lol my question is are they going to fix it or no
unique scaffold
Nope
For years the tiger has been floating with its roadwheels completely disconnected, and it hasn't been fixed
safe zodiac
ooof
i have also had the issue where a 122mm shell just goes though a kv2 turret and does no dmg
unique scaffold
Why would you shoot KV-2? He is your friend
safe zodiac
like it clips though and comes out the other side and he was a captured kv2 on the enemy side
i think my gunner might not have as drunk as ivan in that kv2
hard stone
Borsig has become sentient. No crew required. I welcome the singularity.
jovial kernel
The singularity machine
iron lynx
Well, not that Borsig is the only one
hard stone
Anyone else found the ISU-152 to have broken gun handling? It is jacked up bad... or I have hit a run of RNG that trumps all other suckage in history.
jovial kernel
Wait Ookla did you watch the Auralnauts Star Wars parody?
hard stone
No, no clue what that is. I only watch reruns of Mr. Ed.
iron lynx
ISU gun is never bad
Only RNG is bad
hard stone
I get that. I have tons of games in the ISU. Lately though, it is wrecked. I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but if you told me they accidentally fudged a number in the code I would believe you.
iron lynx
29 pen instead of 290
dim field
Isu-152 aside from its usual track magnet or shoot outside circle crap, i haven't noticed too much change
iron lynx
Mmm
I prefer Rhm for turret
Although it has crappy armor
dim field
Possibly gonna grind that at some point. How's the camo?
iron lynx
Good camo values except the Tier X Grille 15
unique scaffold
Borsig foregoes a human crew to ensure it has no soul
tulip harness
Can the KPZ-70 get an alpha buff to 640/560/780 (AP/HEAT/HE) to make it competitive at tier ix?
lusty spear
This was a good match
modern fern
fake ducc
hidden crest
vital thistle
unique scaffold
#screenshots folks
crimson cosmos
Is it just me or are Tier IVs even more pitiful vs Tier Vs than before? I got a set of Missions for III-IVs and if I took out any of my IVs I was bottom tiered and desperately outclassed. The TDs didn’t feel quite as hopeless, even with reduced RoF and Alpha, but the other classes? Woof. 🥺 Having a 6 pounder with an equal or only slightly shorter reload than some of the 75/76mm guns? Major increases in Dispersion and Aim Time from before were shocking.
Even the nerfed Vs don’t feel as useless when bottom tiered. They don’t feel good, but they aren’t quite to the “Oh God! I brought a knife to a gunfight!” of some of these Tier IVs when faced by Tier Vs. Facing a T-34-57 in any Tier IV Medium is the stuff of nightmares.
rain ivy
@quick lichen so, opinion on the new tank?
drowsy plaza
Needs a nerf
quick lichen
Bad
junior tulip
You can tell that the T-55A needs a nerf because of the charts
unique scaffold
@crimson cosmos the su-85B is decent
crimson cosmos
@unique scaffold I’m really not in the market for another low tier tank, but if they keep giving me those missions maybe I’ll repurchase it. Thanks.
knotty finch
Needs a nerf badly (Raik and Cru agree) or is bad (they disagree)?
slender briar
Needs a nerf bad
hard stone
It comes with a gold diamond avatar. Has to be best bundle ever. On paper, it looks OK to goodish but not OP.
drowsy plaza
I think it’s great - but I really enjoy that play style. For those who don’t - or struggle in non Russian Meds, it’s probably not for you.
I just checked my friends list - 15 folks have the tank, but only two over 2k avg dmg in it. Several seem to be struggling.
jovial kernel
@drowsy plaza is my assessment that the Pz. 58 is basically a tier 8 STB-1 correct?
proven helm
Close enough
summer notch
@hidden crest can you send me the replay for that? Lol
I unironically want to put that on my tiny youtube channel because its beautiful
urban storm
Does any one know when the Chinese WZ TD is coming ?
jovial kernel
I hope it's never
jovial kernel
Trolly turret, good mobility, paper hull, 10 degrees gun depression, sounds like an STB to me
drowsy plaza
UFP is troll too due to shape. Ford, it’s not anything like the Indien. I have both.
jovial kernel
So is it comparable to the STB-1 but at tier 8?
drowsy plaza
AMX 30 B or 1 er are probably better comparisons.
jovial kernel
But then again people have called the 30 1er a tier 9 STB-1, but it's somewhat close, got it
drowsy plaza
STB turret isn’t really as troll as those. But as far as a tech tree example yes.
jovial kernel
yeah the 30 1er has a nice gun mantlet but the STB's turret relies almost purely on sloping
drowsy plaza
Only in theory. The Mutz can use the depression way better due to turret shape - the Indien is minimized due to turret shape and gun position. As well as the Mutz is remarkably faster - not too speed but acceleration and traverse. They are actually less similar than the stats show on paper
The Indien is a good med, but not nearly as agile as the Mutz. I’d take the Mutz advantages well over the Indians @shut wigeon do you have the Mutz? I have both Indien and Mutz and I am telling you they are not similar at all. Reciting stats and a picture off a website isn’t the same as playing them.
So you’re talking out your butt got it.
Welcome to my ignore list.
hard stone
This tank is causing fights everywhere. Comparisons may vary, but no clue why people are flipping out over relatively minor disagreements.
No reason to tag me as you miss my point entirely.
tulip harness
the Mutz is not supposed to have armor
@round plume the Mutz is supposed to be played like it has 1hp and not meant to rely on armor
@round plume @drowsy plaza The Mutz is supposed to use it's speed as it's armor, not like an indien trolling meds left and right.
jade cargoBOT
ford#4637 was muted
jovial kernel
Thank God
iron hearth
indien pz will get a gun buff in next patches thats what an admin said in the blitz forum maybe to reduce the gap from the pz 58
jovial kernel
It already outclasses the Panther II at like everything
quick lichen
@latent frigate a third @shut wigeon @round plume ?
@jovial kernel remember talhaone?
jovial kernel
No not quite
inland arch
Like si eres america latina
dreamy cradle
Can VK 45.03 have a buff of armor
smoky yoke
it's a okay tank, it doesn't need good armor plus good dpm
severe valve
it's DPM is pre nerf tiger
jovial kernel
and it has better armor than the Tiger
turret on it is paper though
smoky yoke
Yea and vk 45.01 has good enough armor against tier 6
drowsy plaza
@iron hearth The Indien is already one of the best tech tree Meds. It got buffed a while back.
@tulip harness yes my point was I feel the Pz58 is way more effective Tank simply as it’s can jockey positions better and make better use of its depression. My issue with those who don’t have it - is that they are looking at paper characteristics and not how the tank actually plays in game. Very similarly to so many folks who dismissed the T 55A at first release due to its lesser armor than the T-54.
jovial kernel
I looked at the Pz. 58's stats, saw the 5 extra effective hp/t and instantly knew it wasn't going to play like the Indien
drowsy plaza
But you have a brain.
Honestly a lot of folks where asking about the AMX 30 1er when it was being sold again - it’s a hard tank to place as well, as it doesn’t have a good tier 9 equivalent - so I would just tell folks it’s basically a tier 9 STB.
jovial kernel
Makes sense
ruby kite
Maybe buff the cent 1's turret armour by 20mm on all sides
Bcoz it's very easy to pen with russian bias guns
pale cosmos
Lowe too powerfull. Need to reduce something. Kkk
ruby kite
Also just replace Chinese tech tree with Italian tech tree
Bcoz Chinese tanks are just russian copy paste tanks
And Italian tank design are mostly original
We already have Italia on pc
So just replace the Chinese tech tree with the Italian tech tree
shy wren
The Italians only have one line and they have a unique mechanic that needs to be implemented first.
At least the Chinese do have multiple lines and possess a different playstyle compared to its Russian peers.
ruby kite
Or maybe Swedish tree to replace Chinese tree
Start with the kranvagn line
Then the Strv 103b line
hidden gate
Fv4005 pls
jovial kernel
or just not replace the chinese tree
hidden gate
Negative
shy wren
Swedes might come next year, not replacing any lines.
Same for Chinese TDs and the Czechs
hidden gate
Why would wg remove a nation for another nation
unique scaffold
I’d LOVE the Fv4005 it’s basically a deathstar on steroids
jovial kernel
yeah these idiots
hidden gate
That one guy who cant joke
winged barn
Why would wargaming remove low tier tanks? @hidden gate
gilded pivot
coz they're testing it
hidden gate
To make it so new players and newbs arent confused or overwhelmed or something buy how many tankd there are at low tiers
Ive heard wg removing tanks alot but removing an entire nation from the game? Never heard of it
indigo knot
Su12254 needs a nerf ....with that mobility everyone just yolos in tier 8 battles and wreck tier 8 tanks....it can almost hit 3 shot for everyone shot I fire in my Russian tier 8 Hts....even at tier 9 if I am not in my E75 or St1 and it comes rolling around .....I know I am dead.....
jovial kernel
cool, be glad it's not the WZ-120-1 FT
indigo knot
I kinda of don't know why WG always buffs dpm of a tank in need of buff....the only thing Su12254 needed was gun depression and a bit of dispersion and aim time buff (according to me) . I didn't like the tank earlier got ammo racked quite a lot in it
Wz 120 ft seems nothing like Su12254 rolling at 50kmph and with adrenaline on ....when I see it I know I am dead
jovial kernel
WZ-120-1 FT doesn't matter what I'm in I see it I'm dead
earnest sun
Tier 9 can rekt it
jovial kernel
Yeah but if it's top tier then big rip
modern fern
If ms1 is top tier then big rip
Too bad it got the ultimate nerf
lyric shore
That WZ TD is just op. And of course they cannot nerf it so they‘ll buff every other tech tree tank instead well done wg
gentle matrix
would mt get reworked? although theres s rise in mts whichc is good
snow gust
People on Facebook made a post which says that wg will increase graphics and we would need more powerful device to play on. Is this fake news?
grave bear
they will improve graphics and you obviusly need a more powerful device to see that graphic improvement.. if u dont have, simply nothing will change for you...
grave bear
stb1 hasnt that great accuracy on the move..
grave bear
why not
atomic marten
carry harder
unique scaffold
It's random. The only way to guarantee a 60%er on your team is to be a 60%er. @unique scaffold
atomic marten
😎
unique scaffold
Sad way to balanced a battle!! @unique scaffold
I didn't say it was balanced, I said it was random. There are simply not enough good players to go around. Like I said, if you want to have a 60%+ WR player on your team then you need to become a 60% win rate player. Others have done it so you should be able to as well.
Ok that's why I don't like the last update! More bad player at high tiers
There have always been bad players at high tiers. It is a cop out to try and use that as a reason now. The match making is not obligated to give you a team to carry you. At the end of the day we all play with the same players, it's what we do that makes the difference.
grave bear
well, leo1 and t62a also have better, and e50m also it's better, it has more accuracy on the move, but less base accuracy, so it's the same effective accuracy on the move.
it does: accuracy on the move 0.10? = 0.10 accuracy + base accuracy.
so you're saying that you have 0.10 accuracy on the move? lol_? 3 times better than your base accuracy of 0.3? obviusly you need to add values
wtf are u saying lmao, go check blitzstars, take stb1 for example, it has +0.085 accuracy when going forward, +0.085 accuracy when rotating tank, and +0.065 when rotating turret
this is the base value for accuracy on the move, like taking the speed of the slowest max speed tank of the game (TOG II i think) for 14km
or it's simply that you're moving your tank or not moving, careless of tank speed
atomic hound
@shut wigeon the way accuracy on the move works is that your total accuracy is equal to the base value + dispersion value on movement + dispersion on turret traverse + dispersion on hull traverse. The base value still matters.
grave bear
ok i think it doesnt matters your speed, tog II has a nab 160dmg gun and it has anyway +0.220 for every aspect,
drowsy plaza
@shut wigeon it’s best to keep ones mouth shut and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and prove it.
quick lichen
@shut wigeon do you need both of your accounts on here?
atomic marten
Facts Crusader
quick lichen
Of all three?
Do you need three accounts to explain it?
@shut wigeon @crisp plover @round plume @latent frigate
Four accounts?
Committed
jade cargoBOT
Ford#8717 was muted
grave bear
is5 has +0.221 +0.221 and +0.100 on the move, while grille has +0.221, +0.255 and +0.136
drowsy plaza
@shut wigeon I was but started getting PM’s asking me to comment on your postings.
jade cargoBOT
ford#4637 was banned
Ford#8717 was banned
Ford#1184 was banned
Ford#8230 was banned
grave bear
0.389 base accuracy vs 0.277, and in is5 you add 0.070 dispersion less than in grille, so it's around the same, and yeah is5 and grille both have bad accuracy on the move. so, it's all right.
quick lichen
Grille isn’t designed to fire on the move
zealous stone
thats the reason it has amazing aming time just likr chinese Mediums
grave bear
same for is5 😄 , saying that is5 and grille have both bad dispersion on the move isnt a thing to justify that base aim time doesnt affects dispersion on the move
zealous stone
No IS-5 no aim needed Stalin will guide your shells
grave bear
well, that's another story 😄
spring pelican
@quick lichen you stopped ford production line of all their models now
quick lichen
I just banned 5 fords here so we are winning the good fight
hidden gate
Lol
stone arch
The ban hammer has been dropped I see
glad creek
4 Ford's lol
stone arch
Will there be a fifth? I see one has lived
glad creek
The last surviving
stone arch
Last of his kind. A dying species.
glad creek
His extinction is imminent
stone arch
Oh may we say grace in his time of passing, that he will find his friends in the after life.
glad creek
Imagine if they said that on the news about the human species xd
stone arch
Everyone would just Meme it lol
rain ivy
@unique scaffold morning/noon/afternoon sir, how have you been?
unique scaffold
I'm great. Not a complaint in the world. You?
quick lichen
I have a few
unique scaffold
I did this🤣
spring pelican
unique scaffold
Do you plan to improve tank SP IC? Right now it's probably the worst VII...
It's great
And what's good about him? Armor does not exist, everyone burns HE, speed is not too much compared to other light tanks, the penetration is bad for the AP, which does not matter, but even the HEATs have 200mm ... This is not enough for the VIII...
gilded pivot
It's fastish
Drac is OP and it's a CDC which is just a tissue box with tracks and a gun
unique scaffold
I'm not saying that the SPIC should get a 300mm armor and a Jagdpanzer E-100 cannon, but just the way it's too weak...
gilded pivot
Yeah it does but heaps of people play it
unique scaffold
Becouse they must if they want Leopard 1
The only reason to play the SP 1c is to unlock the RU251.
dim field
Ahem.
Drive on the back of a tog with splc
jade cargoBOT
kasap_302#7676 was banned
acoustic burrow
Why the game delete himself ??:( i am so triggered about that
dim field
Huh?
radiant fox
hello
cyan lichen
@unique scaffold SP I C is a great tank
unique scaffold
SP 1 C is, is my opinion, among the best tier 7 tech tree tanks. I’ve tried it out and I really like it. Could just be that I tend to like light tanks and do well in them. Just my opinion about it
inner comet
Lttb and m41 are special aswell
hushed fox
Its not near as strong as in the past after a series of nerfs
obsidian osprey
It used to be snappy and super fun, and now it’s just sad
ashen marsh
Make sp1c great again
Give it back powerfull with it's autoloader gun 2 shells 2 sef between shell and 180mm pen like before
neat surge
Hi guys
ashen marsh
To be clearly come back before 3.6
neat surge
How to apply colour on tanks
jovial kernel
you don't
gilded pivot
On the garage screen
jovial kernel
go to a tier 6 or higher tank
strong depot
My team needs balance
chrome epoch
Nah you just need to carry harder
strong depot
i needed to break new dmg record for this to win
severe valve
buff the garbage Superpershing. It still sucks.
unique scaffold
@severe valve how would you buff it?
lapis shadow
The thing is already a good credit maker
severe valve
@unique scaffold turret traverse, ROF, bloom.
unique scaffold
Agreed. Lower front plate could use a smidge of love.
I'd love that turret traverse buff
severe valve
I'm fine with it having that stupid weakspot on the top, but at least don't make it complete trash
unique scaffold
Lol
Maybe you’re just bad @severe valve
forest hearth
@hidden gate Do you play Overwatch?
west torrent
raw maple
Add more damage to the 183 Ap roll, it shouldn’t be the same as the jg pz e100
tepid cipher
It's not......
shy wren
It’s 130 alpha higher than the JgPz E100... 🤦🏻♂️
plucky acorn
qUicK mAtHs
halcyon topaz
@lusty silo are there gonna be anymore Girls und panzer events or skins?
(Example: a tank camouflage for every tank that was in the anime. Like the Tiger p, stug III, Maus, jpanther, jtiger, jagdpz.... and many more.)
I would really like to know as I love the series. Also a great time to release these skins and other things would be February as a new episode will be coming out then (I think) leading to all the people who watch the series to wanna play the game and get said skins.
gaunt coyote
WZ-110 needs better mobility...
gilded pivot
No the armor is troll so it's balanced
gaunt coyote
It is useable but with the amount of mediums it is bye bye and u are getting circled...
jovial kernel
Well those upper plates can bounce a BL-10
grave bear
well, i used amx 50 100's stock gun apcr and i bounced that lower plate , and wasnt angled
woven dawn
Isn’t it the lower glacis of the T26E4 the same as the upper glacis of the armor
candid steeple
SO balanced. specially my damage when I bounced of Gravediger form all sides. Your premium tank shit fest is going on my nervs. Balance that MM FFS
unique scaffold
@candid steeple it is not the responsibility of the match maker to supply you with a team that can carry you.
candid steeple
Facepalm. I don't need team that can carry me but balanced teams to fight. There was no chance that we would won
unique scaffold
It is what you make of it and what you bring to the fight. Carry Harder.
candid steeple
Are you retarded?
unique scaffold
Do you make excuses for your poor performance?
I'm assuming that's you in the T-43... Personally I'd be embarrassed to post a match like that in public. @candid steeple
quick lichen
@candid steeple you’re mad at mm for doing 16 damage as a high tier medium?
Not just any high tier medium but a t43 which is regarded as op by most
candid steeple
missing the point
unique scaffold
No, we really aren't.
@candid steeple as a top tier medium you should have been at the top of the board. You should have far surpassed the Cromwell on the red team. But you didn't. You did 16 damage and then came here to whine that your team didn't cover for your incompetence. Sorry bud but this is the wrong place and the wrong crowd to come to for sympathy.
somber mauve
Who is missing the point lol
cunning kindle
Clearly us bro, clearly @somber mauve
unique scaffold
This server has nearly completely replaced the forum as a source of entertainment.
somber mauve
@candid steeple from what I am seeing, "Facepalm. I don't need team that can carry me but balanced teams to fight. There was no chance that we would won"
You are the part that is dragging the team down, with that 16 damage, I am interested how the team will do without you
quick lichen
@candid steeple have you read the server rules? Because you’ve broken two of them
cunning kindle
Guys guys stop making sense, i need this entertainmebt
quick lichen
I don’t
cunning kindle
Well ok :(
somber mauve
If this server doesn't restrict inappropriate language I would've probably went full in by now
shy wren
16 dmg could be a ram or a botched HE shot opportunity
drowsy plaza
@candid steeple you dragged your team down. That is all.
cunning kindle
I've seen afks do more dmg coz enemies ram into them to farm damage
somber mauve
in other words "an AFK is more useful than you, kid" @candid steeple
shy wren
Rip, now it’s just roasting.
cunning kindle
But hey his team is letting him down i guess
unique scaffold
I think he gets the point folks. Lets lay off a bit.
somber mauve
it's probably time for you to revise your blaming strategy @candid steeple because from your complaint and your performance shown in your screenshot, you're the the only skill-less player I see in that screenshot, so If you don't think of improve yourself, your performance will just not improve and not do anything great at all.
and you would still be jokes to us to laugh and eat popcorn at
cunning kindle
^
somber mauve
I probably went with the roast a bit too much but I think it's needed for one to revise their strategy once in a while, not going with a single strategy to play one game from start to end. it's too boring to stick with one only way of playing this game - there are a lot more ways of making this game fun, and "blaming your teammates when you are the cause" can be a way to play this game, but it's not the "fun" way to do it.
candid steeple
Material for roast I guess
unique scaffold
dab on them
somber mauve
Advice I can give you:
- instead of complaining in chat how much you bounce your shots off or how the matchmaking is not balanced, focus on what you needed to do. You missed 2 opportunities that allow you to do damage.
- If you see a tank you don't know how to deal with, then don't deal with them from the front and insist to deal with them. there are better targets like the ARL but because you are busy complaining how your shot bounced, you missed the chance.
I can think of at least 3 ways that I could've played that game differently, and I would've probably won all 3 as well
spring pelican
If you see hulldown tank then just go on and find second way
dusk zinc
Time and time again, people need to stop messing with people from the internet or discord you just get burnt
lone obsidian
its free advice given ..Read it and move on..
just gotta know where to hit em
The snowplow is a irritating tank to kill though
indigo knot
In ratings there must be some rule like if someone has tier 7 tank of tech tree in garage then only the player can play in ratings .....otherwise not
I am seeing some players who bought k91 and scorpion g and are playing ratings with under 500 battles
woven dawn
I’ll be frank, that match looks pretty balanced.
lone obsidian
battes r irrelevant ..If u have tank 2 play in ratings u will be placed accordingly..
lone fable
Does anyone think the FV4202 needs buffing
lone obsidian
depends on the wax job
unique scaffold
@lone fable. 4202 is fine. It's the tier X TD / super heavy meta that needs a Nerf
lone fable
4202 seems weaker than the STB-1 on paper
lone warren
People bash on the 4202 so much but i think the tank works well for me.
lone fable
I play it a lot, the gun is wonderful, and the frontal armor is great, but the turret is pretty much shit with that huge cupola
lone warren
stb-1 is nice to hesh to death and set fire everytime
spring pelican
4202 is weaker then stb
unique scaffold
Why would tier 10 super heavy meta need a nerf when the overwhelming spam of meds shooting prammo dominates them?
spring pelican
They nerfed meds pen
unique scaffold
Prammo is still annoying
*prem rounds not the clan
drowsy plaza
Spam of meds? What game are you playing?
glad creek
Pew... Pew... From across the map you see yellow/orange stripes doing 300 and you know there's a med/light spamming HEAT
unique scaffold
Crusader Russian meds
drowsy plaza
Game needs more meds not less
unique scaffold
God please no
It needs more lights
glad creek
They need to buff the pen of standard rounds in Leopard 1. 255/268 (equipment) isn't enough
unique scaffold
I have it and I think it’s fine. It can pen Maus cheeks
glad creek
I was lagging. Lol. But still the pen needs to be at least 260
unique scaffold
The most annoying part of HEAT is that they can pen armor at 85 degrees
And this completely destroys the Maus angling tactics
260 wouldn’t be a significant buff and imo not needed
glad creek
IS-7 has very bad pen at 260. Should be 270+ and 260 APCR is just fine... And 310 HEAT pen
drowsy plaza
Leo has best pen off all the tier X meds
unique scaffold
IS-7 has other strong sides like its strong armor and good manœuverability
I think it’s balanced
up HP the isu 152 to 200
Are you talking about buffing ISU?
It’s already broken enough
Her is VIII
glad creek
Lmao the pen at 300 is monstrous enough
unique scaffold
Her have 1010 hp
You want tier 8 to be broken? This thing has the most OP gun for its tier let’s not make it invincible
Yesๆๆๆ i need it
glad creek
Then they gotta Nerf the gun. Everything comes at a price
unique scaffold
I think getting rid of BL-10 would be a good idea. They did on PC and only the 704 can have it now
The last thing this game needs is any sort of TD buff.
slender briar
I wouldn't complain if all 152mm guns had AP alpha of 560 below tier 9
glad creek
No you are wrong lmao. BL-10 should stay on ISU. Just reduced pen and reload like a reload of 15.5s and 258 pen and they should rename the gun on 704 to BL-10S because it has 286mm of pen and regular reload
unique scaffold
@glad creek that’s basically what happened on PC they replaced it with BL-4S that has around 260 pen, more reload and is inaccurate
quick lichen
Isu’s with the bl-10 if anything helps to balance op heavies
slender briar
It is fun to watch surprised VK100s get smacked through theturret face and spin around surprised
unique scaffold
No heavy is OP in tier 8 imo
IS spam is a myth, there is just 3 IS tanks in tier 8 and there isn’t 3 Tiger tanks
quick lichen
Uh what?
slender briar
Yeah, 3 IS tanks per game. No matter what
quick lichen
What do you think is played the most in tier 8 tournaments?
glad creek
The 300mm of pen on isu is enough to to be reserved for a tier X lmao
quick lichen
Is5, t34, vk 100 and is3d
unique scaffold
Wdym
unique scaffold
Not in my hands🤣
quick lichen
Teams don’t run more than two meds or lights because they can’t pen is spam, vk 100s or t34’s when hull down
glad creek
Where's the WZ. Frickin op
unique scaffold
T34 and IS-5 are OP? I don’t think
T34 has paper hull and can easily be destroyed by HE
IS-5 has inaccurate gun and armor isn’t even that good
quick lichen
You must not be playing the same tier 8
slender briar
🤣
quick lichen
What idiot plays a t34 and shows it’s hull?
unique scaffold
Even its turret is penned by prammo spam
glad creek
The turret and gun depression can come to play on T34 and IS-5 is very good a side scraping and they spam HEAT. Idk irraikk he probably don't know how go play T34
strong depot
U still dont know that 95% of the players are idiots?
slender briar
<tournaments>
quick lichen
I think I found one @strong depot
unique scaffold
And because you can’t pen an hulldown heavy it is OP?
quick lichen
...
strong depot
Wow, ur so funny, im dying
quick lichen
What would you consider an immovable heavy that’s farming your team if not op?
slender briar
No, it has a fantastic gun to match.
Are you trolling?
glad creek
It's reload feels quick even though it isn't very fast lmao
quick lichen
Someone get a breathalyzer
unique scaffold
Can’t you flank or just relocate?
unique scaffold
@quick lichen I think we both know a frequent visitor here who shows the hull on his T34...
Change target. Ignore the T34. Kill him at the end
glad creek
Meanwhile the hull and turret traverse in T34 is amazing
quick lichen
T34 farms your team and the rest of the tanks play passive. Now what?
slender briar
T34 has pretty solid DPM. I won't mind being ignored
quick lichen
You lose
unique scaffold
T34 can be ignored if you change position and go where it can’t hulldown
glad creek
The DPM is rock solid. It feels very quick even though it isn't. And the gun handling and pen
rain ivy
IS3, IS5, IS3D, IS8, IS, IS2, The Chinese knockoff IS3s
quick lichen
If you change position we take a supremacy cap for free and farm your team running away
Gg
Now we lead on points and hp
unique scaffold
Did I said all 7 tanks change position ?
« This isn’t an 1vs1 »
Now I must go to work
rain ivy
There's too many IS in the tier 8 scene. And with the baby maus in 8 and 9, we need that BL 10 pen
glad creek
He doesn't know how to play T34.
quick lichen
I can tell
unique scaffold
Then gets ammo racked and blame it on RNG
The T34 is good it is just not OP
quick lichen
Anyone that says the t34 isn’t good has no idea how to play it
rain ivy
^
glad creek
Never got racked on T34. And somehow you always end up with over 500 hp at the end
chrome epoch
I like the T-34 better than the T34
rain ivy
I enjoy playing it, and usually do well if my team doesn't have abandonment issue
glad creek
It's a bread maker also. So on your first game you can make up to 200k credits
slender briar
2ndbest heavy?
rain ivy
@quick lichen In your hands you smack t10s 😂 👌
glad creek
Best pen of all heavies 248/297/60 something.
quick lichen
Lol 😂
unique scaffold
@quick lichen. Is-5 equipment load out please.
quick lichen
I don’t use equipment on my is5
slender briar
Fire extinguisher, module protection and speed boost. Use HE only. It does more damage
unique scaffold
I suck so bad in it. I'd rather play the Chieftain.
@slender briar shut up 🤣
quick lichen
Multi speed and adrenaline
rain ivy
@quick lichen I prefer the 4% more armor on mine, but that's just me
unique scaffold
It's more a medium than a heavy. I don't heavy well at all.
slender briar
Tier 8 is a bad tier to not heavy ;)
rain ivy
Average 400, I'd say 4
quick lichen
Correct
Now run hp
It takes 5
That’s why you run hp
Survivability
Same thing with t34
slender briar
Might get lucky with armor. But we have no idea how it works
quick lichen
Lowe it helps but it’s not a critical number
rain ivy
I see the point, I just find with how I play I get good amounts of bounces
glad creek
Lowe is next tier 8 to get
rain ivy
I'm a facehugger from aliens 😂 👌 even VK 100s hate me
quick lichen
Vk 100 needs the hp because 1470 is so so low
slender briar
Tempted to get the Mutz, but $50 is a bit high for a T8
unique scaffold
@slender briar. I'd rather light tank tier VIII than Heavy tier VIII.
quick lichen
1550 is much better. Most shots that pen will be gold so it will increase the shots to kill
rain ivy
@quick lichen Stalinium can't protect stupidity, Trust me, I used to be that, before I got enlightened about the game about a year ago. Too late to not drop to 47.9, but now I'm about 48.88 and rising
glad creek
E75 needs a reload buff
quick lichen
E75 is fine as is
unique scaffold
E-75 is completely fine.
quick lichen
If you think it has bad dpm you’re not in the right position
slender briar
E75 needs a player buff
glad creek
I don't even have E75 and I sense it needs a buff
rain ivy
Got the Mutz as well the other day, Play it like a cautious AMX proto and I do well
quick lichen
You could be watching 30% e75s with a 50% crew
plucky acorn
lmao
slender briar
TBH, at that tier you probably are
quick lichen
What if they run calibrated, double fuel and protective?
I’ve played the tank quite a lot. It’s a beast already
rain ivy
What if they are just disabled and don't realize damage = money?
quick lichen
@plucky acorn you free?
glad creek
T34 and IS-2 (1945) is the perfdct load out for me go grind cash. The other prems I have meh
slender briar
"finally got the top gun after 150 battles"
Message from a one shot wonder at the beginning of the Battle.
I would like to note he did do double his avg damage in his E75
plucky acorn
@quick lichen 10 min
glad creek
They need to replace the standard in IS-2'45 for APCR and premium as HEAT
quick lichen
Ok
rain ivy
I swear, you cant fix stupid
covert harbor
E75 in my opinion is the best tank in the game, it’s just a shame that it faces tier 10 8 out of 10 games.
severe valve
who tf said E75 needs a buff
quick lichen
Lol
severe valve
I want to agree for them to buff one of my best tanks but I can't get over how silly that claim would sound
indigo knot
I am kind of unhappy after seeing the heat pen of wz113 tier 10 chinese td more than that of Jagpze100.....want it nerfed before this arrives in game
lunar niche
Could care less about JgPz HEAT, fix the RNG on gun.
indigo knot
@lunar niche you mean low alpha rolls
jovial kernel
that's exactly what he means
willow hawk
@lean forge Here is my humble perception of an ideal Principle of Balance in WG: Each tank must be advantageously imbalanced to another tank in such provision that a common player can understand. Without such imbalances, lurking response variables will be reaped. Tankers will become cowards, as they are more focused on their tank’s weaknesses rather than strengths. Then, one will have to face the problem of low morale and camping. With player induced problems, there will be outcries for rebalancing, thus inflaming the issue. Those who are faithful to their once-loved but now nerfed tanks will continue to play them, but under a meek manner. Others who discover great strengths in a new, relatively overpowered tank will become overconfident, thus inducing the problem of YOLOing. In this irony, the cause of imbalanced and highly frictional gaming is the lack of imbalance.
drowsy plaza
@willow hawk you think this doesn’t happen already. The issue is the common player is uncommonly dumb. WG does it’s best to balance tanks like that. One of the reasons they use 55-65% players for balance is any Super Unicum can make bad tanks look good and the average player makes great tanks look awful.
jovial kernel
Yeah I saw someone manage only 53% in the Helsing after 300 games somehow
lone warren
i like the players who cant master mid tier tanks after 5k battles in them
willow hawk
@drowsy plaza I guess wargaming is deprived of statisticians. What they are doing is something called a convenience sample, which is biased and should never be resorted to. What they may need to do is design a blocking experiment or a stratified random sample of players to test their tanks. Otherwise their tanks aren’t really “balanced” because their selection of experimental units and subjects are flawed. The common player (dumb as you may call them) would be expected to perform as well as an elite player. At this rate, tanks get harder to handle and require too much of player skill, hence rendering the game unenjoyable and to some people, unrealistic.
stoic pebble
games should be balanced around the highest level of play, to prevent the top tier players from abusing certain mechanics (vehicles in this case) to absolutely destroy lower skill ones. This is the reason why the type 5 is just dumb since any average bob can get in and bounce shots without doing anything.
willow hawk
Why not stick to the original stats of the real tanks? Nerfing and buffing simply isn’t cutting it.
Have lower skilled players play the same rank as elite players. Then, average out the performance of the tank using some standardized unit, something like a Z-score @stoic pebble
*play the same tank, not rank, my bad
lunar niche
We all know that people want Type 5 for that derp gun.
drowsy plaza
@willow hawk you cannot balance for the average player - as some tanks would be crazy OP. If you don’t think WG balances characteristics against each other, I can’t help you.
willow hawk
@drowsy plaza of course they do. Too much of it, as I have originally stated
drowsy plaza
They have skews of noobier friendly tanks.
stoic pebble
lol WZ 120 1 G FT
cinder torrent
Je bać WG 😃😃
drowsy plaza
Honestly you have typed so much rubbish it’s really hard to understand what you’re trying to accomplish.
willow hawk
@stoic pebble lmao yess
unique scaffold
@drowsy plaza @willow hawk I would love WG to balance mediums and lights off of the average player. 🤣🤣🤣.
You think matches are steamrolls now? Just wait until you have a platoon of unicums in mediums roll through your team like they aren't even there.
willow hawk
@drowsy plaza let me elaborate. Tanks should be tested by both elite and commonly dumb players. Tanks should be imbalanced for specialization. Attempting to continually “rebalance” tanks inflames frictional playing. Understand? I do not know your age of maturity but please do be civil.
stoic pebble
how would you balance something like a E50M which is an amazing generalist?
willow hawk
@stoic pebble thank you. You made my point. So why nerf? XD
paper onyx
Ghost shots are ridiculous,what are you doing about it and bounces that should not be happening. It’s time to fix it already!!!
stoic pebble
The balancing of specialists and generalists is once again brought up. If you buff a specialist to be more versatile, you simply intrude on something a generalist is supposed to do, but now with specialized statistics, which makes the generalist obsolete. People complain about the 140 having trash turret armor, but if it is buffed, would intrude and probably surpass the role the 62A is supposed to play. The 4202 is an example of a specialist, but people love to say that its turret armor makes it unplayable. If its turret is buffed, now you're just intruding on the role that the Pattons should play. I completely agree on the balance by specialization, but the vehicles balanced around lower skill levels (IS-3, IS-7, etc) should have restrictions keeping them from being abused by higher skill players, and this is the case for many of them, being low DPM and terrible gun depression. My main gripe is the 100.01P being easily abused by high skill players and still noob-proof enough to be driven like a donkey and still do good
willow hawk
Btw, player stats aren’t that great to use all the time. The more battles a person plays, the more harder it is to improve. Stats get stale. @stoic pebble I completely agree with you
lunar niche
Thats a good point.
slender briar
Good thing we have rolling 60 day periods
unique scaffold
Or 30 or 90 periods as well...
strong depot
sometimes, i don't understand these 70% wr players
and i mean the ones from the well known clans, when they're in the enemy team, u think u are f%cked. But they die with <1000 dmg very often and u win the game ez clap
jovial kernel
Well the cupola isn't really weak is it? Only 12mm weaker than the turret front
grave bear
i dont know why do you all expect to pen vk100p's frontal armor with less than 220 pen. it's the slowest tier 8, is5 has more than 2 times vk100p's max speed and you also cant pen its frontal turret.
jovial kernel
Yeah why people try to pen the front of those is beyond me
grave bear
i think vk100 has enough weakspots.
More than enough.
no one complains about IS3 or is5 frontal armor? 40km max speed and nothing with more than 175 pen can go trough frontal armor, not even lower plate.
so, if there are these is3s, why vk100 cant be as it is?
jovial kernel
It's not even like the VK is that hard to kill
stray patio
nerf vk 100.01 p
jovial kernel
Buff your skills thanks
stray patio
ss vc
unique scaffold
The Hetzer is good at being not damaged and doing 360 at lightspeed
stoic pebble
Vk 100.01 is pathetically easy to pen in the cupola provided you can aim and I'm fairly certain I can aim. The problem I have is the fact that any new player can drive forward and even around corners and not get penned because of the side skirts and 130mm side armor while on the IS series they have weaker side armor and the dumb pike.
stoic pebble
So don't go around saying that I'm bad at the game because I think about people playing the KV-3 and how terrible it is to fight against T8 without gold, since of course, some players just can't afford to fire gold.
stray patio
Sim sim você
stoic pebble
Did I say I wanted a nerf on the Vk 100? I said it's noob proof and is practically abuse when you're fighting lower skill players. But at the highest level of play its absolutely fine. For the IS tanks, the IS-5 can be penned in the cupolas with standard ammo but the IS-3 had its weakspot buffed to 50mm which I'm not entirely ok with.
violet burrow
The IS-3 has its cupola
stoic pebble
IS-5 cupolas are massive compared to the basically non existent weakspots on the IS-3's turret. There's also an overmatch spot on the roof. Yes, the IS tanks are noob proof and that's what they supposed to be. They're great generalists and have a higher skill ceiling which is good. However, a specialist vehicle which is supposed to hold a corner and sidescrape also being noob proof as well as getting -8 degrees of depression and requiring a mandatory 210mm+ pen gun to go through the cupola is not fine when fighting lower skill players. The Vk100.01 has a much lower skill ceiling since it steers like a brick in water and has subpar DPM, which means its balanced for higher skill levels.
The entire reason I brought up the Vk100 is because of the discussion on balancing vehicles based on lower levels of play. I don't want to discuss it any further.
jovial kernel
This tank might need nerfing
Tier 6 tank with more dpm than the E 50M
No tank should be able to tear the enemy to ribbons like that
The armor actually blocks most tier 5 tanks
80mm sloped is rather decent
stoic pebble
Again, tanks should be balanced for the highest level of play. Try doing that against 2 competent players.
jovial kernel
Conveniently most tier 5s have 100 to 120mm penetration lol
So then they do less damage anyways lol
But remember I'm shredding them with broken levels of dpm
stoic pebble
at the same time you're going to be annihilated by a BP
jovial kernel
but it shreds same tier tanks too
Literally has 180 more dpm than the BP
Still, this thing is broken when top tier and still pretty OP when bottom tier
Also unlike the Black Prince it has good alpha and reasonable mobility
stoic pebble
^^^ this
jovial kernel
I don't think anyone debates that one being OP
lunar niche
More op tier 8 premiums on the way
jovial kernel
Well the 252U could come, that would be worse
lunar niche
No frontal weakspot. Even the lfp is 200 mm+ from what ive heard. Lets see if people still complain about op vk100 then.
252u would be worse lol
jovial kernel
they need to fix those machine gun ports
Those front machine gun ports should be a weak spot
lunar niche
200mm+ LFP is more than VK 100's LFP while angling
jovial kernel
well yeah
quick lichen
You forget we have hit skins
shy wren
Hmm, wonder if the Vk 168 Mauerbrecher would make an appearance. It’s not as good as Vk 100.01 P, but it would be nice to have a very heavy tank.
unique scaffold
We should add more imbalanced tanks,it's not like anyone would care
smoky yoke
well the maus line is meant to be heavily armored and heavy hitters, with crappy dpm, slow and very bad camo rating,
Premiums are different story, where wargaming has to be careful of how they organize their team in making the premiums. Make it underpowered and then buff it later on instead of overpowered and not being able to nerf it. They need to know that faults in their stats may occur and leave op tanks.
jovial kernel
Yeah do what they did with the Ravioliose
shy wren
Would the Mauerbrecher make an appearance then? It has a lot of weakspots, weighs almost as much as a Maus and is slightly more sluggish than the Vk 100.01 P?
jovial kernel
It's slower, larger, and has less armor than the VK 100.01 (P) but it's heavier so the rams will be legendary
shy wren
That’s what I’m intending to do with it. It’s gonna be fun.
quiet kite
Sure would be nice if wargaming actually took a step back to look at the cancer that is the gravedigger and realized that it needs a mobility and dpm nerf. Those things are broken as hell.
jovial kernel
It needs none of those, it just needs the tank to not shake so much when it's firing so I can actually hit the weak spots
quiet kite
Weak spots? The only weak spot is the lower plate. I've never once penned the hatch and the red shader is full of crap. I've had shots into its roof from above and still had them bounce.
iron hearth
Yeah the gun is horrible that enougj to balance it
jovial kernel
I've penned the hatch and lower plate many times but they need to lower the amount the tank shakes when it's shooting so it's not impossible to hit those weak points when they're unloading
indigo knot
I kind of hope that vk100.1p doesn't get armour nerf.....only rof nerf should be given
shy wren
Or round the hatch armor to 200mm
formal forge
Uh when i unlocked last is8 gun (M62-2 or something like that) then i unlocked st1 last gun tho tht gun is exact same gun as is8. But why is that gun NOT unlocked on the su-101 or su-122-54? It the same gun!!
jovial kernel
re read the names
shy wren
One is for TDs, the other is for Heavies @formal forge
formal forge
Ew M62-C2
jovial kernel
😂
grave bear
su101 has way less pen than is8, st1 and su122-54.
and also having same pen as is8 and st1, doesnt mean that your gun in su122 is the same
atomic lodge
shy wren
It depends on the lines. For example, the E 100 and the Vk 72.01 K both have the same guns, but they cannot be shared with one another due to the name difference. Same goes to the M62 guns.
The 17pdr is shared by the Centurion I, Sherman Firefly and the BP, but it’s not shared with the AT-7, in which that it’s 17pdr has an AT in its name @atomic lodge
tacit mulch
tier 4 is unusable in a tier 5 matchup in my opinion, is that gonna change anytime soon?