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#tank-balance-discussion
unique scaffold
atomic hound
Nothing to do with the mm if you lose a game. If you're complaining about it now, turn the clock back 4 years to +2/-2 when you would regularly be put on a team with less high tier tanks than the other team, and sometimes your team would have a bottom tier tank in place of a +2 tier tank.
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold u prob rushing them
quiet grotto
Is2sh is a solid tank. Best gun out of all russian tier 8 heavies
Have to learn how to play it right. That’s all
drowsy plaza
@unique scaffold dude, don’t take this the wrong way, but it’s you. You get tier 4 damage results in tier 8. You are the common denominator in your battles. Read up on game play mechanics and watch some YouTube videos.
winged barn
^This game is p2w^
drowsy plaza
P2L for a lot of players.
slender briar
The aimtime? @quiet grotto
jovial kernel
Only such P2W are the Lupus and WZ-120-1 FT, if you had no life you could have gotten the Helsing or Dracula for free.
iron tartan
@jovial kernel
I still regret to this day that I didn’t grind those 2 tanks
During the event time I was busy playing in my ru251 ......just the speed thrill was too addictive
Stupid me....😑😑😑
main vine
Even those tanks aren’t exactly P2W. A lot of people are bad enough to still suck in those tanks @jovial kernel
drowsy plaza
P2W is a terrible moniker in this game - but I guess P2HA (Pay To Have Advantage) doesn’t roll Off the tongue so easily. Bad players still stink in OP tanks.
dim field
I vote we start using P2HA
Use it everytime somebody says the game is p2w
tidal sable
quiet grotto
@slender briar what about the aim time ? It has the gun handling of kv5 and alpha of IS tanks
uncut bane
Ok I deleted the game now I’m leaving the server
quick lichen
@uncut bane ok
uncut bane
I had a change of heart
quick lichen
I a lot can change in 20 minutes
visual nimbus
Well then...
uncut bane
heh
severe valve
the e4 needs the patton treatment
split atlas
test
stuck sedge
Not always some players get to play Low tier all the time
Fixed mm Thx wg
Strange some clans always get top play the game as top tier, game after game! Strange i play 80% Of my games as Low tier, just love it wg Thx make it so much more fun to always have the small gun and less hitspoint, have so much fun with that, Thx wg
unique scaffold
Matchmaking is fine at where it's at. You can still be good at bottom tier. Just have to change your playstlye to support or second line,etc.
stuck sedge
Omg i have less hitspoints lower damage rate, and Strange now have meet the same toon from the same clan 4 times and They are always top tier. Strange some players and some clans always get to be On top, and i am so sick Of it
80% Of my games i play as Low tier! Thx A lot
6 tier 8 and me as tier 7 thx to wg fixed mm, like thief’s in the night
But well from now on I am afk every time I am low tier I give up wg
whole monolith
Don’t nerf maus pls
dim field
You meet them because you have good connection (between you and them) and probably hit "battle" same or similar time they do.
spark star
pls nerf the cheeks of the 100.01 tnx
pseudo harbor
Why does the Bulldog have a faster reload on its auto loader, while the AMX 13 75 have a eleven second reload?
Wouldn't it make sense for the AMX to have a faster reload?
spark star
BaLAnCe iS GoOd
pseudo harbor
Indeed...
slender briar
I'd settle for a 1.5s intraclip on the 13 75. Or 9s interclip. Or .29 dispersion. Or 400 horsepower.
pseudo harbor
I would settle for the 11 secs on the 13 75 for more pen
They bulldog also out does it on pen in the auto loader category
dusk raptor
I wish the 106mm gun (German) will back online
rustic fossil
@stuck sedge Just Play Tier 10, that solves the problem with getting low tiered for sure
storm hatch
if any of you guys read this can the Vk45.03 get 20 or so mm in its front plate? that would make it played more like a t7 tiger 2 instead of always getting penned from the front
unique scaffold
Angle
storm hatch
still not good. max angle is at 10 degress turned with your turret facing either of the 2 drive wheels. 160mm is most at max
jovial kernel
Be glad it's not the Tiger 1 which has the same thickness but not angled
elder crag
📢
elfin marlin
Vk100.01 is good as it is. A real challenge to get it out in battle . You just have to know where to hit it with the right ammo. Maus you won't like either than.
jovial kernel
Shame that you need team work to take them down if they're in platoon which they almost always are
unique scaffold
you're playing amazingly aswell...
ebon mango
Hello someone could tell me how to put a replay on YouTube🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
regal grove
@stuck sedge you're just one of those bad players. If you're so naive to just give up on the second you see your match, just uninstall, honestly
drowsy plaza
@stuck sedge look at the players in the battle queue- if there is significantly more tier 8’s in battle and few tier 6’s you will end up low Tier more often than not in 7... secondly if your crying now about being a 7 in a mostly 8 match you would have hated +/-2 MM. Quite often you would see tier disparities in the teams Worst I had was a 9 tier disparity between green and red. Green had 3 tier 9 and 4 tier 8, while red had 5 tier X and 2 9’s... I had Go Home MM You’re DRUNK hot keyed.
willow junco
Tier8 is broken .
slender briar
1375 is broken
true relic
No 13-75 is fun no nerf pls
unique scaffold
Its ok
rancid flame
Because being stuck with a tier 6 gun at tier 7 facing tier 8 IS tanks is so broken
trail coral
Hetzer's Derp Gun Removed
NOOOOOOO
unique scaffold
@lusty silo Mate ur charts in #devs-answers are in what ,Russian? pretty sure we mostly speak English here mate
lone warren
vodka
edgy sandal
Need T-34/76 BUFF, This tank lose powerful gun '56mm'... and now can't see power anymore. you know, 76mm gun is still shit. So buff 76mm, or buff armoring
craggy kayak
need buff T110E4 turret
unique scaffold
No @craggy kayak
craggy kayak
xhy ?
wicked needle
Remove that useless wastelands map
tender dagger
@regal grove or maybe @stuck sedge is such a superb player that WG is trying to get him to move up the tiers? Stick to the tanks/tier you feel comfortable in and just ride the tide irrespective of what WG throws at you @stuck sedge 😉
heady laurel
So the T55a, is it that OP or is the sample size tok small at tier 9?
regal grove
It’s good
drowsy plaza
It’s a great tank if the driver is good.
viscid gyro
All tanks good are if your good, also, opposite is true.
jovial kernel
not really, the Strv 74A2 is just a mediocre tank
viscid gyro
I Agree to disagree.
drowsy plaza
Steve is a good tier 6
jovial kernel
It has basically light tank armor, meh mobility, and the magazine reload is the only real advantage it has over the 12t
severe valve
Easy balance fix, nerf all high tier heavies accuracy by 5-10% of original value. There is no reason I should be sniping weakpoints in borderline derpy guns. Only heavies that should have that kind of accuracy should be Brits and clippers. Maybe the Americans. Russians and Chinese should not be that accurate.
jovial kernel
Russians already have terrible numbers they just have amazing RNG
severe valve
I'm talking about tanks like the IS4 and IS7.. no way their accuracy should be that good at range. I'm penetrating others with ease.
slender briar
@true relic @rancid flame I want a buff. The 1375 is trash
rancid flame
It’s pretty bad, especially because the 12t is quite good
jovial kernel
the 13 75 is just a really good tier 6 tank
slender briar
It's like a bulldog with worse everything
rancid flame
Pretty much. Not nearly enough pen to deal with tier 8s tho. Then again, the entire line after the 12t has the problem of not being able to deal with up tiers
jovial kernel
Well the BC AP is decent
shrewd kiln
T69 peeks arround the corner
wise canopy
The panther M10 is a very good tank from my P.O.V
shrewd kiln
Agree.
I tried him on the account of a friend. First match instant almost 2.4K damage
true relic
@slender briar what is bad about it? Small, fast, good gun, fast mag reload??
slender briar
Bulldog is faster, with an all around better gun and higher DPM. It's like the 1375, but better in every way. And that's with the bulldogs mediocre autoloader.
jovial kernel
Well the bulldog is huge and has even less armor but otherwise it's a better 13 75
glad creek
Why is the sale price for Ru 251 ON SALE?!
warm moss
Its like that for everything :/
unique scaffold
The fake Chinese td is op.Literally had a strong casemate,strong gun,accurate,quick firing,good speed,and 6 degrees of gun depression.Wtf wg just why?
drowsy plaza
Weak roof, weak sides and rear. Yes it’s relatively OP, but it still needs a team to win.
hallow locust
U always need a team to win, but it's hard to find a good win
lone warren
lol discount sell price exactly what we need
unique scaffold
Mm is rigged. Just came off a 13 game win streak. Nearly all at tiers 8 and 9.
rapid vault
What about a buff of T8 American vehicle, i mean i dont know i play wrong with those tank but i when i compare to the other T8, for exemple T32 compare to Tiger II, the Tiger would have more facility to do the job, because more penetration, more mobility, but the worst in this tech tree is the Pershing, it need a buff because, when we compare to the other tank, the pershing is underpowered, even against a german T8 medium, the german win against the american,.
unique scaffold
Mm is very rigged, I can't stop winning either
drowsy plaza
USA tier 8’s don’t need a buff. T32 has the best tier for tier turret in game, it is a hulldown beast. The Pershing also has a fantastic turret and good depression. They require a little more skill than some other lines
pseudo harbor
!pause
shut wigeon
@drowsy plaza Pershing is trash. Mantlet is paper and mobility is trash. Gun is not amazing either. No wonder why it has 46% overall winrate.
drowsy plaza
Cause folks don’t ridge fight with it.
shut wigeon
Pershing turret isnt that strong.
drowsy plaza
It isn’t bad either. It’s not T32 strong, but if your jockeying it’s going to bounce more than not at least against Meds and Heavies
stoic pebble
I would play a tank soley because it has gun depression. And what does the Pershing have? Gun depression. Oh and really fancy gold rounds for ruining the hopes and dreams of Vk 100.01 players
unique scaffold
Perishing is good. It's just that players try to play or like an IS type tank.
shut wigeon
You can hulldown much more effectively with super pershing. Why bother with pershing?
drowsy plaza
Super Pershing roof is insanely weak.
rancid flame
Pershing is able to take spots the SP would have trouble with because it’s simply faster
balmy acorn
stoic pebble
Probably because they're different tanks and play different roles on the battlefield? It's like saying the 62A is better than the 140 solely because it can hull down better. They have different playstyles.
shut wigeon
Pershing only has 1 p/w ratio faster then super pershing. Its not really that fast.
drowsy plaza
8kph higher top speed.
shut wigeon
Even super pershing has more dpm and penetration.
Hah good luck reaching that top speed.
stoic pebble
Pershing has far superior gun handling and ground resistances.
drowsy plaza
Say you cross River on Port Bay - the SP will get clobbered as the Pershing got across first and can hulldown and rake the SP
I’m not saying the SP is worse, it’s just not a valid comparison as they are very different tanks and need to be played differently.
visual nimbus
Both Super Pershing and Pershing are great tanks you can’t really say one is better
unique scaffold
Well you can. SuperPershing has a lot more armor
shut wigeon
@stoic pebble Actually no. Pershing has worse ground resistances then super pershing. Only good thing about pershing is accuracy on the move.
And im saying sp is basically better pershing in most aspect.
drowsy plaza
Armor is significantly over rated.
visual nimbus
Both tanks excel in their own environments and it really depends on the driver
unique scaffold
Ok then do a arnor test betweeb pershing abd sp
stoic pebble
so be it. If you want to argue this point go ahead, but at least suggest some changes.
shut wigeon
Sp is still better then pershing. Which means pershing needs a buff.
unique scaffold
No the superpershing is and up-armored pershing. Like the Tiger 2 and the E75. E75 is a up-gunned and up-armored tiger 2
stoic pebble
wat sp and standard pershing are at the same tier you can't make that comparison
shut wigeon
E75 is one tier up while sp is same tier with pershing. Not a great comparision at all.
visual nimbus
Pershing is fine where it is...one of the most balanced tanks in the game. Although I prefer the Super Pershing 2k battles in it I can do just as good in Pershing
unique scaffold
-_- it is. The SP is a better armored pershing. The E75 and the Tiger 2 are essentially the same tank just different gun, more armor, and a higher tier
shut wigeon
@visual nimbus Pershing is worse then sp in most aspect.
unique scaffold
SP has better pen, a lot more armor
drowsy plaza
@unique scaffold so by that deduction of yours the M46 Patton is the same as the Pershing but just better.
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold Im failed to see what you trying to say here.
unique scaffold
Patton and the pershing are different tanks dont twist my words @drowsy plaza yes you have unfortunately @shut wigeon
drowsy plaza
You are absolutely not alone @shut wigeon
visual nimbus
Pershing is balanced. and while I do agree the SP is a bit better doesn’t mean Pershing is bad nor does it need a buff
unique scaffold
Ok let me take a different approach the sp is just a regular pershing but with better armor ok see that. Now im just comparing this situation to the E75 and the Tiger 2 since they're both the same tank but one has better armor. Just giving an example
shut wigeon
Pershing is underperforming. I proved this with both hard-soft stats and winrate wise.
drowsy plaza
Pershing does have a higher bar for skill than the SP.
unique scaffold
In some aspects yes
drowsy plaza
I’d totally accept a buff to it. But it’s isn’t a bad tank with a good driver
unique scaffold
It's a cool tank but i just dont like american mediums except the Shermans
drowsy plaza
@unique scaffold I think a better example of the Tiger 2 improvement is the AMX M4 Mle49
There is an in tier tank based on the Tiger 2 that is significantly better than the Tiger 2.
unique scaffold
Im saying the E75 is technically a variant of the Tiger 2 since both are the same hull and turret. Yet under the hood its different
shut wigeon
Tiger 2 needs buff too.
@unique scaffold E75 is not based on tiger 2. They are completely different tanks.
unique scaffold
-_- look up the E75 on the WOT wiki and see what you find.... @shut wigeon
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold For example e75 transmission is back on hull while tiger 2 has it on front.
gentle hill
Please fix the pz III PLIZ
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold Nope. There is no place for transmission in front of e75.
unique scaffold
Most German vehicles have the transmission in the front
The E75 has its transmission in the front
He is right
shut wigeon
Thats a engine.Not a transmission.
unique scaffold
Omg it's the transmission
"The E-75 used to lack transmission hitbox, however it was placed to the front in one of the patches (E-75 is based on Tiger II and its powertrain), so it might suffer engine damage and fire from frontal hits. However it is still less prone to these than other German heavies due to relatively well-armored lower frontal plate, preventing penetrations in the first place." From the blitz wiki.
@unique scaffold thank you someone knows their modules
The actual engine is in the back, but the transmission is in the front. Believe it or not they're very closely interconnected and the hitbox shows up as engine because that's what it damages.
Yep thats why they're prone to fires from frontal shots. Hate it when they hit my lower glacis and i get torched
shut wigeon
Aha it seems you guys looking this at game files. Anyway let me teach you.
E75 in real life has its transmission on its back. Check the model you will see there is no place for the transmission on tank front. Its a mistake in game.
unique scaffold
The E75 never existed. Only existed in blueprints @shut wigeon
E75 was never in real life, just a design
Wasn't even really a full design. Hell, the wiki says "The E-75 was an incomplete project, of which no historical records of its armour or design specifications exist"
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold On blueprints transmission was on on its back not front. Look at that lower plate. How you gonna fit a transmission to there?
unique scaffold
There are no blueprints, and your own interpretation of an almost-fantasy tank doesn't mean anything
Are we really arguing over where the fictional transmission goes in a fictional tank on a arcade style mobile game? 🤣
shut wigeon
No it means something. There is no place for transmission on front. Its logically impossible.
unique scaffold
They did it on the tiger 2 so why not a up-armored up-guned E75? Im not we are stating facts
How do you know this is impossible, are you an expert on fictional german tank designs?
The damn Tiger 1 and 2 have their transmissions in the front
What if it is a fictional tiny transmission? Then there would be room in the front of that fictional tank.
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold Because there is place for a transmission in tiger 2 and tiger 1.
unique scaffold
This guy doesn't get the point
The E75 is the TIGER 2 BUT BETTER. Exactly just wow
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold Oh did you? Game has a damn mistake here. And you ae dening it.
unique scaffold
What the hell are you talking about?
Just dont feed it. It'll die if you dont feed it
This is absurd 🤣 🤣 🤣
Mister spock, can you make my brain stop hurting?
There is nothing I can do for you. I'm sorry.
I suppose I'll have to drive my tank with a headache from now on
Not enough Advil in the world for it
shut wigeon
All Entwicklung tanks transmissions are used be on its back. Not on front.
thick tulip
What are your thoughts on VK 100.01
daring junco
Like WG said themselves, its unstoppable in the right hands. Which has proved to be true. But its not as big a threat as ppl make it to be. The guns are garbage in my opinion. So is the mobility.
I think ppl dont know how to deal with it, thus the bad press. Its a daughting tank to fight but it has a fair share of weaknesses.
unique scaffold
It's ez to kill if you know the weaknesses
daring junco
Yes very much. Even the T-34-3 with 175mm on its AP can easily deal with its lower plate. And even that med has no problem in flanking it. I think its balanced and a good thing especially for the maus line.
stoic pebble
what if you're lower tier in something immobile like a KV-3
unique scaffold
or just don't play T7 tanks lmao
daring junco
How does a kv 3 deal with something like an IS 5?
daring junco
Unfortunately true. But no different compared to the kv 4, is 3, t28, t32, ferdinand, and other tanks with insane amounts of frontal armor for low pen guns. The reason ppl are freakin out about the vk is bc they havent faced it before. These other tanks they have. New expriences come with a learning curve. Ill give it 4 weeks from now and the vk will be like every other derpy heavily armored tank at tier 8.
Keep in mind, my opinion
stoic pebble
The issue with the VK that everyone brings up is the fact that the cupola has 208mm raw armor which means T7 tanks and many T8 mediums usually have to fire gold at it. The lfp, when the driver isn't utter garbage, can get armor values of 210+ without making the sides weak. The KV-5 on the other hand has a fat weakspot on top which has 180mm armor and can be shot fairly easily while the VK's 'weakspot' is rounded which means you must hit the center. Personally I don't care since I don't play tanks below T8 and when I do it's the AMX M4 which has god tier standard and gold rounds.
daring junco
Fair point
I wouldnt really care if they nerfed the cupola a little bit, but not alot. Cause its gonna be another prebuffed E5, with the huge shoot me sign on its turret.
stoic pebble
but here's my verdict on the comparison of the KV-4 against the 100.01. The KV-4's armor is practically invalidated by firing gold at it, and you can basically aim anywhere and pen it super easy since everything is flat and a big target. Even if you fire gold against the 100.01, you still need to hit it in the cheeks, the cupola thing, or the lower plate. All of these targets require actual aim, which is fine. The balance of T8 is really wonky and personally I don't like messing with it. Instead, I would rather drive a T9, preferably an E 75, and just slap them into oblivion.
past lion
hello
viscid marlin
They really struggle against mobile meds, but that requires the medium drives to actually use their brains and not be complete window lickers.
stoic pebble
The issue with that point is if the 100.01 driver sticks beside his team and his team doesn't abandon him. In the end, just spam gold at it and it will die eventually
viscid marlin
Well its kinda the same thing as the AT2. Shoot the one you can't pen last.
shy wren
At least the KV-4 has a really good gun for the job.
daring junco
Depends, is it a good clan with hood benefits?
past lion
not really its the only open one
stoic pebble
if its supply 10 its fine clan activity doesn't matter
past lion
oh ok thx for your help
daring junco
I havent been on the forums lately, but is there uproar about the mauschen or vk 72?
rancid flame
Honestly nothing, I’m a bit surprised. If you learned about the tanks on here, you might be surprised they exist at all
placid dome
🤔
keen quail
It’s ok that WG is selling tier7-8 tanks to beginners. However, too many beginners have been observed recently and it would be getting difficult to make fair matching in the both team. WG should understand it’s big stress for veteran players if losing many games consecutively due to only matching. The reason of the stress is that it makes his record worse. So, I really hope WG provides non-record battle mode like mad game without special function. I really enjoyed the game purely during gad games term.
unique scaffold
Here's what we should do 0-49 percent wr 50-70 wr instead of mixing both together
spark star
nerf vk 100.01p cheeks, those who says no are noobs who wants to faceroll tier 8 everyday
cunning hawk
Why did wargaming nerf only the autoloaders
Why not nerf the pen instead of the bullet count?
I understand the want for an easier start, but wouldn’t you think that lowering pen would at least make autoloaders usable, slightly nerfed, and not too overpowered?
jovial kernel
@spark star Or they could just make the cupola a reasonable thickness like 180-190mm
unique scaffold
for the vk 100?
spark star
thats good too @jovial kernel
jovial kernel
Personally I think the tank is for the most part balanced but just seeing a 5-15mm nerf on the cupola would be quite nice
jovial kernel
Pz. IV has the armor advantage over the anko and the Pz. V/IV was always borken
trim goblet
wait i thought Pz IV and the anko have the same armour, other than the side skirts
jovial kernel
Pz. IV got buffed in 5.5 to 95 on the hull and 75 on the turret while the anko stayed at 80 and 50 respectively
unique scaffold
Is it KB-2proof now?
jovial kernel
If they don't hit the cupola it mostly is
unique scaffold
Nip
blazing idol
Now somebody explain this please. I really cant tell if this is haw “ballanced” looks like to any of you, but having ppl sub 2k on my team is like playing pup. There’s clarely something I don’t get about this....
covert harbor
There is no balance, 5.5 =loss after loss after loss. The MM is totally broken.
undone thistle
yeah i got 15 losses in a row
unique scaffold
On a 13 game winning streak at tier 8 and 9. MM seems fine to me.
barren bane
Mm is not fine :)
unique scaffold
This is going to sound harsh but I'm going to say it anyway.
It is not the matchmakers responsibility to give you a team that can carry you. If players want to win more they need to do better.
Change this matchmaking ....😬
"rigged"
pearl ingot
we r on DIFFERENT fcking SERVER so not me
unique scaffold
Lol. So you are on the "rigged" server. Gotcha. Care to explain why WG would create a rigged server? Or why they would rig the games at all? How does rigging the game for or against the player motivate them to spend money? If I'm winning what motivation does that give me to spend? I'm already winning! If you are losing and you think the game is rigged, why would you be motivated to support the game? There is zero logic in thinking the game is rigged. Zero.
pearl ingot
lol this guy think i want to argue with him
unique scaffold
Because you can't. 🤷♂️
pearl ingot
im on good mm server u idiot, did i say my server r rigged ?
if not why i keep winning on my 90% crew ? fck off
fck u community helper kind of shit , u r just idiot looking for enemies @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
<@&481447501690568709> can we get a clean up in here.
@pearl ingot. Can't debate the points I make so you resort to insults. Typical.
pearl ingot
m8 just a reminder
jade cargoBOT
Let the darkness take control#8451 was muted
unique scaffold
And the win streak is over. Drat.
jade cargoBOT
Let the darkness take control#8451 has been warned.
queen hemlock
Change nickname back to normal @pearl ingot
drowsy plaza
Everyone sees the same teams over time. It’s not exactly a secret that you the player is the only constant in your games. The better players can adapt better to the teams they get. Crying about MM doesn’t get sympathy simply because we all get bad teams. The difference is some of us rise to the challenge.
snow gust
Blitz bot is the dyna bot lol
brittle river
Had 5 games of wash out loss. Terrible session. All my team mates were new and other side too much experienced.
lone warren
Honestly once i got to 60 wr which was my goal i stopped caring so much about winning though winstreaks are always nice xd
drowsy plaza
Tier 9 games - one should be be aiming for 260+ dmg / tier. So 2600 in X, etc. You need to understand that 200 dmg / tier is effectively treading water - and requires the team to contribute a lot as well. Seeing some of the complaints above who barely break 100 dmg / tier, you are asking your team to carry you significantly - and you can’t expect that much more than 30% of games.
lone warren
what would a good avg damage on a tier ten be for people?
shy wren
IMO, 2k minimum average dmg per game at tier X
lone warren
thats kinda what i was thinking, just generally if you can reach 2k in a tier ten you’re atleast doing alright lil
drowsy plaza
It really depends on the tank. Sometimes you can bounce enough reds to make up for a lower damage output. For instance in a Leo 1 you need to put out significantly more dmg than a Maus to secure a win - or get a ton of assisted damage.
unique scaffold
I struggle to hit 2k in tier X. And by struggle I mean I can't hit 2k in tier X.
shy wren
That does make sense. At tier VIII, I tend to average at the 1.2k DPB. But for some reason, I have a higher average DPB in my KV-4 compared to my T-54 ltwt.
shy wren
It’s only by a slight amount. But apparently, I can dish more dmg in a hold the line heavy than a flanker...
unique scaffold
For the record it's not naming and shaming if I do it to myself
unique scaffold
No joke.
shy wren
I’m holding off tier IX till I get a few more tanks up there. My only one so far is the ST-I with the BL-9 and max turret.
bold dagger
the way i see it, its just a matter of getting shots off. to get 2k average with a 105mm cannon, you need to about 6 shots off
thats not too bad. you take 6 shots per game and pen them, you've got your 2k average
shy wren
Usually for me, 10 shots off in a medium is a good battle for me. But that’s tier V-VII
unique scaffold
I failed my way to the 140 and T-62. To be fair my recent are a bit better and (barely) exceed the 2k level.
This time when you realize you absolutely suck
bold dagger
i play a lot of Russian meds at tier 10 so its more for me, but to account, they do have faster reload of course. it just means more exposure time. now, the trick with dealing damage in meds and lights is dealing damage early
nah wym when you absolutely suck. thats an honest statement, it only takes 6 shots. that can be more tricky than it seems
most of time, if you just trade shots at tier 10 in a medium, you wont get 6 shots off
unique scaffold
I don't play a lot of X. I find my aggressive balls to the wall nature doesn't transition well to the TD meta of tier X.
bold dagger
anyways, i try to get 2-3 shots off into heavies before the first minute is up. best way to annoy people is dealing damage in the first minute of the game while you're not spotted 😂
im serious though
unique scaffold
I don’t like tier 10. I play mostly tier 7 although it has some well-known tanks (aka Dracula or Helsing) that I hate.
shy wren
My current playing range is tier VI-VIII. Now with the Lowe, Rudy and TOG, I can play my favorite tanks a whole lot more, alongside the other tanks I’ve owned, like my reliable Jumbo
unique scaffold
I like my SP 1 C so much but why the ace is like 1600 dmg
river portal
hard to do 2k avg at tier 10 1700 avg on many tier x tanks
unique scaffold
I’m like 1600-1700 on tier 10 but I really suck
shy wren
1600dmg is quite low imo. Maybe it’s due to people experiencing true light tanks at a time where a lot of people know how to switch ammo types.
unique scaffold
Ppl don’t know how to switch ammo, or E 100 players wouldn’t be spamming HEAT at my BC-25t
river portal
ik someone with 3600 avg damage at tier 9 amx 30 er adn patton 46
lone warren
For me i normally do around 1.5k at tier 6, average of 1.8k around tier 8 and around 2.5k for tier ten
shy wren
In my LTTB mastery, it was around 2.5k dmg.
I rage sold my SP 1C due to it having no mobility with its stock engine and it’s stock turret. It’s shells are also very slow imo
river portal
2.5k at tier 10 its a lot gg
lone warren
i only have four t10s and ones a deathstar lmao
unique scaffold
SP 1 C got overnerfed two years ago. WG never buffed it back since.
IMO it could have kept his penetration since other tanks like Panther have almost 200mm and the reload between shells should have stayed 2s, or at most 2,5 but not 3,5
river portal
my op stast on sp1c
lol but this was my first tier 7 tank i didnt play it from 2y and 88 days
lone warren
lmao last time it says i played mine was over two years ago
river portal
pro gg
shy wren
Is it due to the Ru 251?
unique scaffold
Lol I remember that I got SP 1 C instead of ИС line because the stock KB-1C was horrid, no pen, no armor...
lone warren
idk but ru is so good plus little grind on the tank for modules
keen quail
I understand perfectly fair matching is NOT available . it’s ok. I just like to enjoy this game just as fun. I pay real money for playing, But, I don’t like to be shown how bad I am as a wotb player.
So, I loved mad game although I don’t like special functions
unique scaffold
Good opportunity to learn some russian
delicate socket
match maker, stupid kids or bots ?wich reason to get 6 lose with avg damage 2.5k and 3 kill
chrome epoch
Both, maybe?
drowsy plaza
@vestal kestrel how is it hard to understand? You have tier 8 and tier X chats for WR and avg dmg for 55-65% WR players on the Ru Server in the respective tanks
stoic pebble
blue - winrate, red line - damage
icy merlin
Welp MM sucks
small flame
evryone sees the same mm, stop complaining
icy merlin
Ok
unique scaffold
Mm is fine and I see no bots
dim field
I get teams who complain about our team being bad, when enemy was just much better. ( They focused fire more than us). So in first encounter 2 tanks get deleted. Making it a 5v7
Getting a losing streak doesn't automatically mean bad mm.
unique scaffold
I don't care what the mm is, I just win
dim field
Carry us to victory
lunar niche
Look at Jgpz on that chart lmao
ivory fractal
Look at 183, needs buff 🌝
chrome epoch
How about NO
lunar niche
183 is balanced by having the most avg dmg in tier X.
What is JgPz balanced by? Lowrolls.
chrome epoch
That and 183 is balanced by long reload, and little armor
If it misses or bounces, it's quite vulnerable while reloading
unique scaffold
Its as big as a house too
chrome epoch
So it can't hide easily, and it's kinda slow
unique scaffold
And not fully traversable turret
chrome epoch
It's like a super massive Amx elc
unique scaffold
Tog 2 but rear turreted
chrome epoch
But the 183 isn't narrow like tog
unique scaffold
Let me dream
chrome epoch
Dream on
unique scaffold
They need to buff my baby though. MBT-70. I love that tank. They should buff either the penetration or the alpha at least to 600. Great tank though but just underpowered
drowsy plaza
It’s actually pretty balanced now since the last buff.
unique scaffold
But it still struggles sometimes you have to admit. 240mm of pen isnt all that good for a tier 9 with 540 alpha
drowsy plaza
Aim, not trying to be a smartass there
unique scaffold
I do aim. I know how to use it effectively and efficiently but i just want to see a minor buff in it
240mm pen isn't bad
drowsy plaza
- I think any buff will make is OPAF
unique scaffold
Not necessarily at least give it 246mm or 590 alpha
drowsy plaza
Too much. My 30 day is over 2,900 avg dmg in it - my 90 day is over 87% WR. It’s an easy tank to keep over 60%
unique scaffold
It's a great tank dont get me wrong but it is also underpowered
drowsy plaza
It’s just not a conventional heavium. It’s more of a very slow T49 with a reliable turret
unique scaffold
Yeah it is tbh. 60% wr in it and 7.3k damage in it one time....
@drowsy plaza its an actual definition of an MBT in blitz with good mobility and good armor with a hard hitting gun. 0.310 dispersion with the bells and whistles
drowsy plaza
It was a concept MBT, with the US gun on it - a design that went nowhere. Due to the gun, it can’t be played like a conventional heavy/heavium.
unique scaffold
I play it like a heavy medium. The design did go somewhere it laid the foundation of the M1 Abrams. The most significant problem on it was that when it had ATGM loaded it has a tendency of prematurely firing
plush hill
Wargaming please make it so i don't have to buy gun i feel like its a waste of time and exp
unique scaffold
Omg
dry lily
The TOG II* need a buff !!!
inner locust
Primarina it's worth it... you'll like the tank once you buy it
timid vine
@plush hill i saved free exp for it and the buffed sturer emil isnt so bad
plush hill
timid vine
XD
plush hill
Im gonna watch a lot of ads
timid vine
New player??? My advice is to not play it on stock, save up your free exp if you want to not suffer on it xD @plush hill
It makes it so much easier getting the top gum before actually getting the tank.
I only got the gun, grinded the crew and everything after i got it.
rancid flame
^
safe slate
Yah
umbral hound
What do you guys think of the T25/2
jovial kernel
it's a medium
thick condor
Play ratings battles if you dont like teams. Then you're matched more evenly
drowsy plaza
He’s a MM conspiracy nut.
drowsy plaza
@unique scaffold I know you think you are being picked on. But you average 1,040 dmg in tier 8. And 927 in tier 7. You are a constant liability to your team. To get better teams, you need to get better, cause no one else in the team is going to carry you any further.
unique scaffold
Yeah, 1k damage in tier 8 and less than that in 7 is almost like not having a player on the team
jovial kernel
Well it's more like you a 6v6 with a 7th guy on the other team that starts with 500 hp
umbral hound
@drowsy plaza Sorry a little off topic but how do you see average damage numbers by tier.
drowsy plaza
Blitzstars or the Blitz Assistant App
timid galleon
who thinks the Scavenger is sorta broken now?
plush hill
It is my mortal enemy
timid galleon
lol thats how i think when i face one
umbral hound
@drowsy plaza thanks mate
tacit heron
twilit crystal
vk 100 nerf when?
sullen pasture
What is everyone's highest tank
jovial kernel
Maybe you're just bad
unique scaffold
@jovial kernel I admit I'm not a really good player BUT THIS IS RIDICULOUS
jovial kernel
Um you did one shot of damage then you did no damage and you're complaining about losing credits, you've got to be joking me.
sullen pasture
@unique scaffoldthere r times were I lose matchs
unique scaffold
I know
jovial kernel
I bleed credits with my T-44 but that's because I know I can make them back quickly and easily, and because I use the most expensive consumables.
If you can't afford the stuff you use, don't use it.
unique scaffold
Ok next time I'll make a good battle ok;then I'll post and you guys tell me what you guys think Ok
sullen pasture
OK
unique scaffold
I think write the message wrong
vestal kestrel
@drowsy plaza На самом деле это не так сложно понять Брата, я постоянно общаюсь с русскими, я просто достаточно вежлив, чтобы использовать перевод Google для их понимания меня 😉
jovial kernel
Or just realize it's actually random
shy wren
Tbh, a lot of us here don’t even care about MM. Sometimes you get steamrolled. Sometimes you steamroll them. Sometimes you get excellent games. Sometimes you don’t. Sometimes you get winning streaks in dozens of battles, then vice versa.
IMO, it’s just how everyone experience the MM. So stop whining about getting horrid MM when a lot of us get the same treatment as you are from time to time.
I like how this MM is done. You know that you’re but a pawn in a game of chess. Every move you and your team makes will shift the battle either in your or your enemy’s favor. You adapt to your team’s lineup to counter the enemy’s.
Sometimes you have to carry, sometimes you don’t. Sometimes you make the wrong move that costs the whole game. That what makes the MM exciting. You have to think your way through to win the game.
Also note that you also have to consider that during times like Mad Games or any event in general, the hordes of players will come in all shapes and sizes. Some are veteran Unicums who play them once in a while, some are newbies intrigued in the new events.
Then the hype dies down and the number of regulars return to normal. You’ll face against the same old players that played the game for a long time, whether it being on your team or the other.
If you’re still mad at the “terrible MM” that has befallen you, stop and take a break. I do that quite frequently and that helps me recompose myself, making me feel calmer while replaying the game again.
cursive acorn
@lean forge I'm begging you, pls let WG know that the Scavenger needs to be nerfed
my t34 and other tier 5s don't stand a chance
viscid gyro
unique scaffold
Just stop @cursive acorn
It isn't the Matchmakers job to supply you with a team to carry you. If you want to win more, then you need to do more.
plucky acorn
@unique scaffold Agreed
unique scaffold
Buff the cheeks of the is7
jovial kernel
no
unique scaffold
Yes
icy plover
Crikey WG its becoming obvious when you want a team to lose! Didn’t work out as normal with this one though!
jovial kernel
noice
true crypt
we need match making that put players into teams based on skill , pls
unique scaffold
We really don't need that.
chrome epoch
We really do need that.
true crypt
we REALLY need that
unique scaffold
Nope. If that's what you want go play ranked.
chrome epoch
🤔
true crypt
HA! ranked is based on end results, not skills
unique scaffold
How exactly do you reach those end results? Through skill. Is this going to be another one of those "my stats say I'm bad but I'm really good" conversations?
chrome epoch
Maybe there should be a ranking system for lower tier players (1 to 6) that is separate from the normal random mode or the high up rank. This ranking system would help lower players become skilled and prepare them for the real ranking system.
true crypt
m8 , there is no filter to prevent noobs from playing with decent players , ranked battles is just a small and mildly effective filter that isnt enough at times
@chrome epoch thats an idea
unique scaffold
The current mm is fine. There are too many poor players and too few good players to even attempt to teams based off of "skills". The wait times to get into a game would be off the charts.
At the end of the day the MM is fair because it is applied equally to all. We all get bad players on our teams. It's what we do with those teams that makes the difference. Good players win despite the team they were given. Bad players don't.
The current system does a pretty good job of quickly making teams out of what is available. It matches platoons against same tier platoons and keeps the tier split between teams even. Asking it to take into account some player ranking system would lead to long drawn out wait times between games which would in turn kill the game.
delicate socket
thnx match maker
true crypt
ok sure it does a good job on getting matches fast but doing it random is just risky. example . Team 1: 6 noobs and 1 pro . Team 2: 2 noobs and 4 pros , does that seem fair ? i dont think so , why not just switch one of the noobs in team 1 for a pro in team 2 ? why not have a match making system that groups people by average tier played , average damage and average ricochets/activity in battle
delicate socket
i delet game or noobs?
unique scaffold
@delicate socket you landed 2 or 3 shots?
@true crypt. Because it is unnecessary and time consuming. For example, I have a 60% win rate. Players with that win rate are less then 10% of the player base. What are the chances that one of those players will be trying to get into a battle at tier 8 at the same time I am? Now let's say I'm in a platoon with another good player. How long will we be waiting before the MM can find another platoon of good players at that tier to match us against.
What you want won't work.
The current system is fine.
delicate socket
@unique scaffold dude i can send replay to you
unique scaffold
Not watching someone else's replay. I barely watch my own. Tell me your username, I'll go to Blitzstars, and then ill know all I need to know.
delicate socket
unique scaffold
What server?
delicate socket
EU
unique scaffold
Not finding you.
delicate socket
discord does not allow me to write it right :/
unique scaffold
Looks like bad luck to me. It'll pass. You seem like a good player. Try platooning more so that you have someone to watch your back.
true crypt
what the system can do it just split the players into teams that have more balanced stats in whole , not some major disadvantage. im not saying it be both teams with equal WR and stuff , im saying the system should even both teams as much as possible but not make a battle just for people to lose. taking your example of 60%WR and you plat m8 which also has the same skill as you, theres 18ppl waiting in line , 11 are noobs and the rest including you can your plat m8 are pros , then just split the team into
Team1 : you and your plat m8 with 5 noobs
Team2 : 2 pros and 5 noobs
and the rest can wait for another match or the other setup is
Team1 : you and your plat m8 with 5 noobs
Team2 : 3 pros and 4 noobs .
delicate socket
dude i dont like to play more platoon with another player... just fix mm
i dont want anything more
@unique scaffold
true crypt
look i understand the game is mobile so its targeted at a fast moving paced audience that want something quick but it wouldnt hurt to have 10 or even 15 seconds more waiting time for a nicer and much better game experience
unique scaffold
There is no way to make bad players good and there are simply not enough good players to go around. 🤷♂️
delicate socket
I think if the mm based on the winnrate and the average damage, then the result will be better
true crypt
m8 , just split them up and smoothen the team composition , not have Team 1: 4Pros 3nubs , Team 2: 2pros 5 nubs
@delicate socket agreed
delicate socket
Most cases i have
3 or 4 wr under 48% in team
and 1 or 2 wr 52- 57 %
and if I'm lucky, nobody is afk
:|
true crypt
HA! We get at least 2 people with 45%< on my team and I’m be lucky to get a person that isn’t selfish and douchebag , it’s like 80% of the time the player is selfish , stupid , retarded and some douchebag that doesn’t give two sh*ts about his teammates
delicate socket
mm should be fixed
we do not longer tolerate these conditions
unique scaffold
It is what it is. Over time we all get the same horrible teammates it's what we do with them that makes the difference. I personally don't see the match making you guys are asking for ever happening due to the reasons that I've already listed. I've got to go to work, good luck out there.
delicate socket
6 lose
mustly avg dmg 2k<
why?Because of mm or me?
@unique scaffold
unique scaffold
Not sure what to tell you man. Like I said I gotta run.
Actually before I go, what kind of damage are you getting? If it is early damage that takes reds out of the fight then it is effective. If it is late game damage that is just draining HP from a already victorious enemy then it is not effective and it would explain your losing streak.
viral terrace
Oh god man I look and I just see victory...mine definitely doesn’t look like that...
drowsy plaza
MM is part of Blitz’s addictive methodology. The randomness of teams is part of the draw. You won’t see skill based MM, as it would remove that. As well skill based MM has a slew of other negatives that would cause issues.
true crypt
like is said before , it wouldnt hurt to wait a few more seconds to get a better team to **improve game experience **, please just get the message to the devs , the players are giving feedback and that feedback is what the game needs now
delicate socket
@unique scaffold
dude my damage not matter
when exist 3 0damage and 2under 1k damage in my team
its enough to prove mm has a serious problem
unique scaffold
And in one of the matches you posted you did 800dmg. Don't ping me again.
delicate socket
@unique scaffold
teams not balance :|
That's the problem
unique scaffold
What part of "don't ping me again" is so hard to understand ?
true crypt
If you haven’t noticed but some players like me have play styles that rely on teamwork in order to win
jovial kernel
then play in platoon or don't make a habit of expecting that team work
true crypt
haha my playstyle needs just a teeny tiny bit of team work but if thats not dont then i cant do sh*t , example , map faust , im a HT and i press onto C , i need people at A and at C , if no one is at A then we are going to get flanked and itll be too crowded at C that means easy pickings for the enemy and that leads us to lose and i cant play like that because everyone is doing there own thing that gets them killed
drowsy plaza
So perhaps tell you team that.
jovial kernel
And if they don't listen, boo hoo, change how you play.
drowsy plaza
What most folks who argue for skill based MM don’t understand is that it is a self destroying system. If you separate folks by WR, Avg Dmg etc - you will be gradually knocking some of them down and promoting others. You also rob the game of the randomness. Part of the draw of Blitz is the MM, you never know what you get on green or red. Good players can work within those constraints to succeed more often than poorer players. The best players in the game put their tanks where they need to be. Sometimes due to your team you can’t be in the very best spot for your tank type.
unique scaffold
Exactly. There are plenty of players who are able to adapt to the changing environment on the digital battlefield and pull a victory from what should be a loss. Become one of those players.
gloomy gull
Learn to carry
river portal
some players do 80% and some like general he have 87 wr in last month even they have same mm like all of us
now generale have 89.02% wr in last 500 battles
drowsy plaza
What tiers? And platoon rate?
One aspect I think that needs to be addressed is battle exp. I don’t think it’s calculated with any good degree of logic.
Our JPE for instance fires 1 round (and hits a rock) and gets more exp than most the reds actively fighting.
drowsy plaza
@unique scaffold you don’t seem to be listening to what we are saying. I went 3 and 3 in X this morning with over 3,500 avg dmg. Cookie doesn’t always crumble your way regardless of how you do. But a better player will still win more as we all see the same MM.
sharp wind
I’d prefer skill based mm, similar to that of the low population times.
dim field
Wouldn't that be the same as rated battles?
atomic hound
Please buff the amx 13 90, wow this tank is bad. The clip reload is astronomical, and if you miss, bounce or don't fire one or more of your clip, the DPM sinks to practically nothing, which is pretty likely since the accuracy on the move is terrible, sitting still for 5s is dangerous, the gun depression and elevation are bad, and the penentration is only adequate, though premium ammo for those vks, IS spam, etc. drops that god-awful DPM even further. The mobility isn't even that amazing either.
slender briar
Still better than the 1375
sharp wind
Rating battles have a similar but slightly different match maker. It is because on rating not winrate.
unique scaffold
@atomic hound the tank is good
atomic hound
@unique scaffold yeah... No it isn't.
The mobility for a light tank is poor, the armour is non-existent, the gun depression and elevation sucks, the pen sucks, the DPM sucks, the accuracy sucks, the aim time isn't great, the alpha sucks, the burst damage sucks if you miss, bounce or fire apcr, etc.
atomic hound
Just because you can do well in a tank doesn't make it good. Notice the difference in wr between the tier 6 and the tiers 7 and 8, both of which could use some kind of buff
We are both unis, so 60% isn't too hard.
unique scaffold
It is a spot early and late game assassin type of tank. Play as a distraction for your team. Use hit and run tactics to make the reds lose focus. Once the game is drawing to a close pick off the weakest reds.
atomic hound
All very nice in theory until you realise that in half the games you play, your team will have dissolved far before you can rack up enough damage to start carrying, especially since the 13 90 has very little 'prescence' on the battlefield due to that reload. The tank can't even clip out targets particularly well. Consider a CDC, which is appropriate since there are a lot around right now. In 5 seconds you can hit him 3 times (if he stays still, which is unlikely) and deal 675 average damage. In that time he is just about able to hit you twice (5.5s reload). The AMX doesn't have any good way of reducing its exposure during firing because the bloom is terrible, and you don't have gun depression. After you've clipped him, you're now sitting on a very long 17s reload. And he outruns you, easily. If your team isn't around, or is dead (also likely), you're screwed. (He could also ram you for dramatic numbers, but whatever). The tank just can't carry like any, literally any, other tank at tier 8 can. I would frankly rather drive a t28. @unique scaffold I would appreciate it if you have me your thoughts on this. Who knows, maybe I'm just doing it wrong. (I also drove this thing from stock, and I haven't got 100% crew, so I probably hate it a little more than I should, but 15% crew isn't going to remake the tank)
jovial kernel
Also the Panther II and Ferdinand need buffs, the Ferdinand is outdone by the JagdPanther II in everything but hull armor, and the Panther II isn't very good at anything and literally is the worst performing tank in the game
unique scaffold
Oh boy, have you tried T28? The T8 one
jovial kernel
That's an oof siree
unique scaffold
That 15% crew will make a huge difference. I personally tolerated the tank and did alright with it. That being said it wasn't my favorite of the tier 8 lights and I sold it as soon as i could. I'd much rather play the RU, 49, or LTWT.
Just know that the tank does a good job setting you up for the Bat Chat and that the Bat Chat really is awesome.
past dust
Sta 1 is so bad in every aspect needs a buff
jovial kernel
It has gun depression and not trash penetration
severe valve
1375 and 1390 are both weak
sharp wind
Sta is mediocre
unique scaffold
It's better Chi-Ri than STA-1 indeed, autoloader 75 mm vs simple 90 mm
unique scaffold
Sta-1=Japanese Pershing with no armor
cunning compass
Buff WZ Blaze? Its so weak Tank compare to other tier 7 prems.
jovial kernel
I mean it could be a Panther/M10
cunning compass
WZ Blaze is not a tank destroyer. Its just a fast paper tank with Shit gun
jovial kernel
And the Panther/M10 is like the Panther but worse because it doesn't have pref MM anymore
cunning compass
So buff Blaze and Panther M10
jovial kernel
Yeah they should
unique scaffold
Panther M/10 and T23e3 have been ninja nerfed hard. Between the pramo nerf, the equipment nerf, the buff to tier VII heavies, and tier VIII IS spam it's a wonder anyone even bothers to play those tanks anymore.
jovial kernel
There's only 3 tier 7 premiums worth getting, the Rudy, M6A2E1, and SU-122-44
cunning compass
I mean, Gravedigger And WZ Blaze is in same tier, Cantbelieve it
jovial kernel
tbh would buy the KV-122 if they added it
unique scaffold
I have memories of the pre 3.6 T23e3... God I miss that tank.
hollow light
WG fix these teams XD
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel You probably meant tanks you can buy only now? Because there are some other tier 7 prems worth buying too.
jovial kernel
Yeah tanks you can get now I mean, the Lupus, Drac, and Helsing are pretty broken
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel Btw panther 2 and panther 8.8 needs 8.8cm kwk l100 gun from e50. They became a much more efective snipers with that gun. No wonder why they have such awfull overal winrates.
jovial kernel
Would make the penetration not garbage as well, but then they'd invade on the Centurion's space and the Centurion is the 2nd lowest winrate tank in the game behind the Panther II
shut wigeon
Cent needs buff too. It needs dpm and turret armor buff.
jovial kernel
Also some top speed would be nice, because the Caernarvon can invade on every single one of the Centurion's roles
shut wigeon
Generally most of the tier 8 mediums needs buff with some exceptions.
Heavy spam in tier 8 really needs to go. Im tired of seeing teams with full of brain dead heavies.
jovial kernel
The most annoying part is that the VK 100.01 (P) drivers are the competent ones while the other heavies are generally not driven by competent people
shut wigeon
Vk 100 released with 5.5. Not everyone has it yet.
jovial kernel
yeah but when all the good players have it and are stat padding with it it makes the lives of every non TD tier 8 stupid hard
shut wigeon
I dont think vk100 is a stat padding tank. Pz 3, bt-7 art and mini maus are much bettef options for stat padding.
jovial kernel
Every VK 100.01 (P) driver I see has about 65% or more winrate, at least 50 battles, and at least 2k average damage in the tank
shut wigeon
Thats because noobs didnt got it yet. When a tank released old players usually use free xp to get the tank immidiately.
jovial kernel
Actually they just ground the tank, and are just spamming it into games and padding their stats with it. It doesn't matter why they have it, but they sure as hell have incentive to keep doing it.
shut wigeon
Vk is not that op in my opinion. Its very slow and cuppola is ez pen if you use gold.
viscid kettle
and the initial gun sucks
jovial kernel
Well yeah but when there's 4 in every game it becomes a big problem
shut wigeon
I never saw 4 vk in one match. I saw max 2 of it in one game.
Even if vk is op let it be overpowered. Let the germans shine for once.
jovial kernel
It's not OP, it just has a tendency to break the game in large quantities.
shut wigeon
Same goes for the deathstar. Its mm fault not the tank.
jovial kernel
well the 183 is just a broken tank in general in what it does to the gameplay
shut wigeon
Yes I know. Everybody knows it except the wg.
jovial kernel
Yeah, unlike the VK 100.01 (P) it's literally impossible for the 183 to positively contribute to the gameplay experience
Unless they go sidescraping or something weird
drowsy plaza
Played a bunch of T49 today. Vk 100.01 is pretty easy prey
rustic fossil
@severe valve A lot of the obsolete opinions on the AMX 13 75 and 13 90 are based on how these tanks were ore nerf, not based on how they are now. They are pretty weak imo. In mid to late game, when I find them in an AMX CDC, it’s easy to hunt them down and ram them to death for example.
drowsy plaza
CDC favorite food of my T49.
jovial kernel
I assume Lorraine 40ts are fun as well
drowsy plaza
Lorraine is more dangerous to 49’s unless you get them on reload.
rustic fossil
@drowsy plaza Yeah, every tank has its antidote. The AMX CDC is pretty big. if there is no way to avoid them and I find myself in front of a T-49, then I just ram them and take them with me. Even if they survive, they typically will lose almost their entire HP pool
drowsy plaza
The WZ-120 Fake Tank (thx @jovial kernel ) is a scrumptious desert - HE to side and do a lap. @rustic fossil a good 49 driver is looking for you. You should loose 900+ health and be tracked - while he ducks in and waits 17sec to reload.
jovial kernel
WZ-120-1 FakeTank
drowsy plaza
Honestly the T-44-100 is the most annoying tank to my T49 - it’s only useful role is 49 baiting
jovial kernel
Basically the anko vs KV-2s
drowsy plaza
Anko doesn’t like HE to the face from a -2 though.
jovial kernel
Them sideskirts though
Also, Pz. IV's new frontal armor is a nice meme
drowsy plaza
Yeah. T-44-100 turret still tough enough to only get 2-400 with HE from a 49, and rounded enough to reliably bounce HEAT
jovial kernel
Seriously who gave the Pz. IV almost as much frontal armor as the KV-220
winged barn
Stating it like that makes the kv220 armor look excessively weak
shy wren
It still has paper sides
jovial kernel
yeah but a 95mm front is hilariously troll at tier 5
shy wren
It is. But all that armor will go to waste when it shows a bit of their sides.
jovial kernel
Nah you can still angle a little
shy wren
Not really tho. Armor is not really adequate for angling. If you overangle by just a smidge, you’re gonna get penned a lot.
jovial kernel
I mean with enhanced armor the front goes to 100mm then you can get to like a 20 degree angle
shy wren
Funnily enough, the M4 top turret has more armor than the E8.
jovial kernel
also jumbo stock turret was a nice meme
shy wren
It’s still is a nice meme. 152mm all round with 177mm gun mantlet
jovial kernel
yeah lol
shy wren
Imagine if it has -12° of GD. It’s gonna be monstrous!
And add some armor behind the gun mantlet.
cursive acorn
@unique scaffold sorry
@unique scaffold yeah I don't need a team that can carry, it's just that the scavenger seems a little too strong
@viscid gyro I do have one actually, with 20k xp on it 😀
thick rover
I think WG should let the FV4202 and Centurion L7A1 have a higher RoF than the HESH gun, to help maximise the DPM while have HEAT as premium and at the same time balancing the L7B (High Pen HESH) by allowing the gun to have lower RoF then L7A1
terse summit
I think WG should fix matchmaking
sterile drift
@thick rover
newbs need heat
unicums dont and so they use their skill to exploit the increased damage of hesh to boost their dpm.
making the heat gun have higher rate pf fire would defeat this purpose.
stoic pebble
@drowsy plaza thank you for being the first person here to praise the T-44-100. It's the only premium T8 med I have and I constantly have to find reasons to play it. once again, thanks a bunch
thick rover
@sterile drift Well never thought of that and you're right, but I'm pretty confused with the situation, I understand the benefits of premium HESH but are they encouraging us to/are we supposed to be using that premium HESH if it is a premium round in the first place and causes us to bleed credits? Or is the price there to counteract the excessive use of such a fantastic weapon, if it was there to reduce excessive use of this weapon I don't see how its working with all the gold spammers :P
sterile drift
people complained that the tank wasn't competative because when they put themselve into situations where they could not penetrate the front of an enemy heavy they had no high penetration premium ammunition to fall back on
so wargaming decided to replace the hesh with heat and standard HE with hesh
turns out this was pretty OP
so they made a second gun
that way unicums could use their skill to flank the enemy and put in those heavy damage heassh shots
and newbs could yolo heavies with heat
@thick rover does this help explain it better?
thick rover
Yees a brief history of the FV4202 sounds good to me. Thanks for the explanation
lost sinew
5.5 update and „balance”, you mentioned buffed pz4 but how about scav having same frontal, faster reload and more hp than heavy kv1 🤦♂️
jovial kernel
Honestly just remove the standard HESH from the HESH guns on the 7/1 and FV4202 and make the prammo HESH the standard HESH to make the tank not bleed credits, or just make us able to permanently enrich tier 9 and 10 tanks so we can at least pay gold to not bleed credits in them
iron lynx
You gotta finance your war
hearty elm
Looks like fv183 needs buff
iron lynx
Yes
Buff standard AP damage to 2300, and HESH damage to 3100
hearty elm
Im talking about that data on #devs-answers look at its wr compared to the other tds/tanks
iron lynx
That might be caused by the sudden playstyle change from the Tortoise to the FV183
hearty elm
Maybe. But it really needs. Im not kidding. It has nothing good except its dmg. No gun depression no accurasy no armor no speed.
iron lynx
It has turret armor
At least it isn't the FV4005 ll
hearty elm
Turret armor?? Where?
jovial kernel
I mean you get the armor to block non fully aimed shots, but the 183 you can get on PC is built on a Centurion hull and only has 14mm turret armor
atomic hound
And had better gun handling and reload...
main patrol
What would be AMAZING is to fix the MM so they also look at the Win Rate for teams and battles, also look at how OP some tanks are whereas others suck. I keep getting teams full of 40% and against 60%, rarely ever other way round for me
jovial kernel
Also you get more gun arc but yeah literally the MS-1 can HE it on PC
iron lynx
This is what no turret armor looks like @hearty elm
thick rover
@main patrol Bushka/SK8 had asked Wargaming about this once and they said they didn't have any intentions to do it despite on the commotion because it doesn't work. Their explanation was something along these lines: If both sides were paired with about the same winrate of let's says 60% one side will surely lose and if they keep losing they will event be the 40%ers and problems arises again where both sides have about the same winrate and people gonna complain about getting stuck with dumb people again.
Bad explanation I know, if you don't get it look at Bushka/SK8 Tankfest 2018 Q&A
Sorry bout that bad explanation XD
shy wren
Sounds about right
Every day, there’ll just be someone who will suggest FIX MM. It’s getting tiring to provide counterpoints to prove why a WR based MM is such a bad idea.
atomic hound
@thick rover if you are matched with people of equal skill, you can expect to win 50% of the time, excluding draws. This means everyone would end up with ~50%wr. I'm sure this is what you meant
thick rover
I am honestly not sure myself lol best to find that video, your theory could be right too, another good reason why people shouldn't complain, sorry about slowmode
bold dagger
skill based matchmaking wouldnt work for the reasons provided already. its preferable to have a few games be blowouts for either team and have the rest winnable for any team, then to match players with their skill level so they can win more or less, 50% of their games. no incentive to be good when you'll about the same winrate as everyone else
dim field
What if you took the 14 people and then sorted the team based by winrate and types of tanks? Say there are 4 people who have 60%wr out of those 14 people. MM puts 2 60% on each team. Keeps you from getting games where one team has all the 60%ers while the other doesn't. Wr only affecting which of the two teams you get assigned to.
Personally I wouldn't do wr based mm but if theywere to have it play some part maybe that could be how.
cold plank
Some people like to play this game for some historical tank and some just want to play a tank game and doesnt care about historical accuracy i want to suggest that we should be able to chose between a battle wit mixed tank or historical tank only
unique scaffold
That would kill the wait time between matches.
drowsy plaza
Besides WR is a terrible metric by itself. You’d need to sort tier and tanks etc. Not all 60%+ WR’s are the same. How’d you like getting a 78% player on your team - but he’s under 50% at 8+? Everyone seems to forget the WG’s MM system is envied across the industry. Is it fully random - I doubt it, but any weighting isn’t significant enough to stop good players from winning - the glorious thing about this game and part of its addictive draw is that it is 7 v 7. You can never know what the other 13 tanks will do.
drowsy plaza
MM is fine. Bots and other cheaters/exploiters do however need to be punished.
chrome epoch
The MM seems a bit better, though it's still not great
unique scaffold
Crusader is dead on correct.
@odd sun are you implying that Crusader and I are 45% players?
main patrol
@thick rover understandable, but still... Why me XD
unique scaffold
SpartacusDiablo
What's yours?
drowsy plaza
I’m not a super Unicum but I can pull my weight.
unique scaffold
Same. I can also see that mm isn't rigged for or against any particular player.
Always.....the stupid MM
@unique scaffold we don't need to see all the games you lose.
unique scaffold
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.
There are all sorts of resources for players to use if they want to improve... but you can't force them to use them.
main patrol
I agree, but i don't when i they are repprt me when I try and carry thair ass...
drowsy plaza
@main patrol I had this 45%'er in a Mk6 who died rather pitifully argue he won the game.
main patrol
Ikr...
drowsy plaza
The game has had bad players from day zero --- very few players came into Blitz with skills, unless they came from PC first. The difference in some players put efforts into learning all the different game mechanics and tank characteristics.
main patrol
Can't send screenshot here for me
drowsy plaza
@earnest urchin made some very interesting postings on EU and NA forums about what has happened to MM of late. Many of us saw a significant drop in WR over the summer. He posted some great data from another Blitz player about 60%+ players losing more often than historical -- it would appear WG had monkeyed with some of the weighting in MM to better balance games.
sullen vault
How do u people think unicums got where they are at,they got the same punishment as u yet they strive.
main patrol
@sullen vault idk...
main patrol
Nice, i like to play meds, and too many TDs tgese days
sullen vault
The amx ac 48 is honestlly the worst tank ive played ina long time
main patrol
My survival rare is cus my team never pushes or support me in a good way.
sullen vault
Not entirely,look at mine compares to yours.Looking around ur stats,you bleed or get outtrade too often
main patrol
Yrue that, also Like i said, too many 640 alphas penning me at rediculous circumstances
I need to play more passive personally, but then no one on my team will do the spotting and pushing
sullen vault
For what tank?
main patrol
E50M and CDC mostly...
sullen vault
When i play med,i aggro spot and then back down quickly to a position where i have an advantage over someone,most of the time its hulldown or i rotate around to flank
Tho aggro spotting isnt easy
main patrol
That is pretty much what i do. But oh well...
sullen vault
Well idk why i win more than u do then🤷
main patrol
Maybe its just me and MM Xd gtg cya
sharp wind
How do you platoon 30% of the time and only win 56%
drowsy plaza
Well 30% of his Wins are in platoon -- not that he platoons 30% of games --
dense stone
Can these crates be fixed, like, seriously. 7 days for 10 bleh boosters? Balance them and put better rewards in, pls
sharp wind
I prefer the boosters over the premiums
jovial kernel
I mean I would love some tanks but the boosters ain't bad
chrome epoch
What is it?
Nope
You had every right to request help. If they take action, you can appeal the punishment. However, I don't think they will take action, because I think they only punish for violating game rules or the WG ToS
unique scaffold
GGWG
chrome epoch
Good you saved the replay, now all you need to do is hope WG doesn't take action against you
unique scaffold
Lol
chrome epoch
Wait how can you get a collector tank from a container, collectors aren't supposed to be obtainable anymore
unique scaffold
Collector tanks are in containers now
In 5.6 will be removed
Wtf 1900 gold for free
hidden scaffold
There’s a bug with HE that needs to be fixed. Somehow I’m getting set on fire with non penetrating HE rounds and it is very annoying. Been going on for at least 2 updates now
unique scaffold
Am I somehow able to see how many battles players played on Liberte?
lapis shadow
@main patrol looks like we meet again
main patrol
@lapis shadow oh hi, #GG JDM
lapis shadow
oh jeez... not that again
small flame
@hidden scaffold its always been like that.
sterile drift
HE does module damage (depending on the splash) so its not unseemly that a none penetrating hit could set you on fire
although with the nerfed HE splash damage that exists in wotb is likely rare for this to occure
pseudo harbor
What are the chances of getting vehicles in containers?
sterile drift
as for mm
if you were to place the same tanks against each other, then the players with the better WR would win
if you were to place players of equal skill against each other, then the players with the better tank would win
if you were to place players with the same WR and tanks against each other, then the team with the best map spawn would win
if you placed players with equal WR and tanks agansy each other, then tje team with the best overall team work would win
if you happaned to be a god and managed to find 100% equal teams the game would always end in a draw and be conpletely boring
in all of these scenarios the MM ends up taking forever and portion of people still end up complaining about having no fun
regardless, there is a linit to how much you can balence the match maker, and humans being humans will always find a way to complain.
viscid kettle
You also forgot to add that players will also always find a way to game the game
tall ocean
They need to fix the IS 7 Damage and Armour its too weak
jovial kernel
lol
stuck umbra
Wargaming how about buffing Centurion tier 9?? You have forgotten about this tank it's needs a buff in current meta
jovial kernel
meh
rancid flame
Not really...
ashen rune
buff type 61
rancid flame
^
dusk zinc
Tier 9 cent is not needing a buff
It’s good as it is imo, Hesh is amazing gun dep, trollish armour
Unless they nerfed it in 5.5
sterile drift
cenurion 7/1, fv4002, and fv 183 are not for players with bad economy
dusk zinc
True, but that doesn’t mean the overall tank is bad, unless they are talking buff as in shell costs
stuck umbra
@sterile drift it's not about economy these tanks were forgotten by Wargaming
DPM is crap you can't compete with any other meds of it's tier
jovial kernel
the Cent 7/1 has not great dpm but unlike many high dpm tanks it's capable of using almost all of the dpm that it has
stuck umbra
Regarding Hesh I think Wargaming secretly nerfed it
sterile drift
nah
stuck umbra
umm Yeah and it's not just this tank I'm talking about Hesh in general
jovial kernel
they should make the 7/1's good HESH standard ammo :/
sterile drift
if anything they buffed it when they made HE have extra penetration when using calibrated shells
tall ocean
back to IS 7: Make it better it is garbage in its current state
sterile drift
go away mr troll
slender briar
Centurion>>
tidal cosmos
Shoot didnt think bout that
jovial kernel
Nah fam IS-6
potent stone
IS-2SH and VK 100.01 P has too much armor for it's tier even tier 7s sees them
shy wren
Lower plate weaknesses
drowsy plaza
They are far from OP - problem is most players dont play their tanks to their strengths and simply play into red tanks strengths.
lunar niche
People still think VK is op?
iron lynx
Not really, I always aim for the cupola
It seldom bounces
atomic hound
@lusty silo any chances of a grille 15 camo buff? It seems strange that a tank with this little armour has such bad camo (and view range), and all of the tanks before it have had excellent camo values. It is also in the lowest 3 by winrate in the graph you posted up
When 2 HE shells from any of the masses of high alpha tanks at tier 10 will kill you, having terrible camo really does sting
thick rover
I agree it's profile as a tank is also quite small so why the bad camo?
unique scaffold
I agree, buff the camo and it’ll be a nice tank. Maybe penetration too
What about giving back to SP 1 C its original intra clip reload ? 3,5s is too much. Or else buff back its pen that wasn’t game breaker
tacit heron
unique scaffold
@delicate socket we really don't need to see all the games you lost.
delicate socket
i dont send to you
and
don't ping me again
@unique scaffold
iron tartan
Lol
unique scaffold
Well I can't speak for everyone but I'm pretty sure the majority of people who visit here don't want to see screenshots of you repeatedly losing battles. There is a #screenshots for a reason. Use it.
Well said
unique scaffold
I'm moving this over from general as it definitely pertains to game balance.
If I could change one thing about this game it would be.....
The 9 slot equipment system. I despise it and what it did to game balance. It was a ninja nerf kick in the teeth to any high rof tank (many lights and mediums) and a buff to lumbering high armor big alpha tanks. This is especially noticable in the higher tiers. Its been nearly two years since this change was introduced and I still think it was a horrible move. The pre 3.8, 3 slot equipment system was a superior system that was thrown away because someone at Blitz HQ had to reinvent the wheel. I know I'm basically pounding sand here but a return to the pre 3.8 equipment system would be a huge improvement for the game.
I would very much like some feedback from WG on this one.
End rant.
@lean forge @lusty silo @unique scaffold
pale cosmos
Is this tank balance? Damage more than tier 8 wtf
unique scaffold
This isn't the the "let's discuss our awful teammates thread ". It's #tank-balance-discussion .
minor grail
@pale cosmos Rudy is good tank but have disadvantages for example big pot at tower and u can’t fight for someone eight tiers without apcr
pale cosmos
Thank
minor grail
Op is gravedigger and vindicator
pale cosmos
There is no op tank. Only players don’t know how to use it power. 😃
minor grail
Idk but when i play last match at seven tiers whit rage because in opposite team have three gravediggers in my team is tiger p and any gravedigger i in Rudy and someone in lttb rest it was trash
pale cosmos
Good player play all tank good. New player play all tank so so. So if you lose too fast. It is not because of tank. But because of matching systems. Your teammates r many new player :))
lilac depot
Meme
drowsy plaza
Carry harder.
Honestly the complaints about MM and Teams really need to stop. Everyone should know by now that 90% of the player base are awful or at least incompetent. We’ve had bad players since Day 0. It’s not going to change. This is a mobile game where the average player will not out in any work to try to learn tank characteristics or game mechanics. You need adapt if you want to win more.
I started this game with no knowledge of how WOT/WOTB worked. I was 40% in my US Meds. Eventually I found the forum, a clan and learned the game. I’ve been slowly dragging this guy up from 43% with 1,305 avg damage at 207 games.
You cannot blame your teams or tanks etc. All of us as individual players see the same MM over time. The onus for your games is on you. Do not expect anyone else to carry you to victory.
thorn owl
war thunder is better
unique scaffold
Then go to their discord page. @thorn owl
dim field
I always try to look at my games and think of what i could have done better. Even those games with 4500 dmg and with 3 afk teammates, i try to see what i did wrong and what i could have done better.
drowsy plaza
Some games are plain unwinnable - due to AFK etc. but those are fairly insignificantly as far as a quantity goes
dim field
I've had some heavy strings of afk from time to time. Happens the most when an update has recently hit. Record is 8 games in a row. But i assume that's just a thing that happens from coincidence. Aside from that you're right. It's insignificant in the long run
tender dagger
I’m constantly getting gawd damn awful players like this on my teams...this t8! His platoon buddy wasn’t much better and ofc they had different tiers putting a t7/8 in a t8/9 battle.... predictable outcome
unique scaffold
@tender dagger we all get the same God awful teammates. How does your inability to carry them pertain to #tank-balance-discussion ?
viscid kettle
Ouch
summer notch
I would guess having terrible people on his team is unbalanced
unique scaffold
We all have terrible players on our teams. It is balanced.
And nobody pays attention to terrible players on enemy team, weird isn’t it? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tender dagger
@unique scaffold you call that an intelligent question? Sigh! I’d say it causes for a serious imbalance, can’t you send him back to t1 to learn the ropes?
unique scaffold
Are you unable to see that we all get the same awful teams? It's what you do with them that makes the difference.
lunar niche
So, when is WG fixing that lowrolling rng on trashpanzer e100?
All that armour and still the 3rd worst TD in tier X. 2nd highest alpha and still the lowest avg dmg. Something is not right.
hidden scaffold
Agree completely and they also need to fix the E-100 cause it has the same low roll rng problem
Got the 7201 k over the weekend and forgot my 150 mm was able to do over 700 damage cause I’m so used to the E100
lunar niche
The other 640 alpha tds never lowroll below 550. Never seen below that. Not even broken 183 lowrolls below 800.
I mostly roll 560-680 on E100. Haven't played much so i have no idea about it.
tender dagger
@unique scaffold what am I supposed to do with a player like that, he averages one shot per battle, and there were 2 of them, in a platoon! It might even drive me to seal clubbing...because honestly there’s no difference.
@lunar niche it’s probably called “balance” or “imbalance” you choose
lunar niche
I mean yeah, that lowroll might have balanced it when it first came around. But its been a looong time and we have 183 now that has higher alpha and does not lowroll.
unique scaffold
Carry him. That's what other players do when he is on their team. Don't come on here to whine about it.
clever mauve
Lol @unique scaffold knows how to roast people good
tender dagger
I have grievance and I’m airing it, minimalise as much as you want, I’m certainly not alone in my comments...I’m pointing out the imbalance, hence the discussion
@clever mauve some people roast easy, I don’t
unique scaffold
If the same bad player plays thousands of games and is on all of our teams there is no imbalance.
lunar niche
Problem is, WG can't balance people's skills
tender dagger
Players as in plural, as in a truck load, ship them off back to tier one
lunar niche
Tier 1 is filled with bots, they won't improve. Let them stay in tier 5/6/7 to learn. If they want that is which won't happen lol.
tender dagger
@lunar niche after 35000 battles...don’t think there’s anything going in and sticking....
drowsy plaza
Bad players have been part of the game since the get go. Over time everyone gets good and bad teammates - the only constant on your team is you.
steep iron
coarse harness
Maybe a bit in T6-7 MM, but in T8 definietly not
unique scaffold
Day after day ..... Look and listen the players on playstore , u kill this game.
@unique scaffold. Once again. This isn't the place for you to share all of the games you lose. Try #screenshots
Personally I'd be embarrassed to post a screenshot where I did 600 damage in a tier 7 td....
jovial kernel
I mean with the top gun that's what, 2 shots of damage?
keen nexus
not having problems in a stock t7 td at least putting out damage even if the team is bad. Just get somewhere and start farming
jovial kernel
Well unless it's the stock Sturer Emil
drowsy plaza
@unique scaffold would have issues in a JPE in a tier 7 match based on his avg dmg / tier.
He cannot fathom that the majority of the time he is bringing his team down. So instead of learning the game and getting better - he blames teams, MM the moon etc.
You need to pull your team towards victory not sit and watch it fail.
Take some effort and learn the game. If not don’t come here and blame the game - just accept its you.
As I ha e repeated to say here - no one joins this game as a Unicum. How well you do in this game is entirely up to you. I started as a 43%’er (at best) in US Meds. But I made efforts and learned how to play them - and other tanks. Do not play to reds strengths, play to yours and your teams.
main vine
^
unique scaffold
I don't think he is listening
keen nexus
do they ever?
uncut belfry
@drowsy plaza I'm grinding up the Patton, how should I play it?
drowsy plaza
Honestly I love it. I’m aggressive as long as I can get to a good hulldown spot.
uncut belfry
Only that?
drowsy plaza
No just a sec
uncut belfry
Ok
jovial edge
Teach me how to play the Patton after he teaches you @uncut belfry
drowsy plaza
I honestly don’t think I could teach either of you anything. It’s good a great turret, decent gun, fair mobility and good depression. It is an improvement over the M46 Patton everywhere but gun depression (the -10 v -9). Best med view range - and fantastic shell velocity. To me it’s a great bully on other meds (but be careful on E 50 M) when you can use terrain to get the first few shots.
unique scaffold
Always seriously its impossible to play...
visual nimbus
Just carry on m8..you’ll win
drowsy plaza
@unique scaffold 1,100 dmg in tier 7 isn’t something to post. It just shows what you didn’t do...
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold. Nobody wants to see how often you can lose a match.
jovial kernel
Heck, I lose just under half my matches and I don't even want to see them
uncut belfry
@unique scaffold throwing matches to complain, noice
unique scaffold
Gameplay is a big problem !!! 2 or 3 tanks at 0damage its a battles at 4 vs 7 result defeat sure. Players tiers 7.8.9 at 0 damage its anormal.
uncut belfry
If it's normal then stop complaining
unique scaffold
And it is something we all deal with. Therefore it is not a balance issue. It is a player issue.
Ok its just a game ....where is the fun !!!
jovial kernel
Tell the 183 drivers that
uncut belfry
183 should be removed
jovial kernel
They're the ones stealing the fun anyways
unique scaffold
The point remains. We don't need to see every match you lose. It does not pertain to balance and is off topic to the discussion here. If you insist on posting all the matches you lose please do it in #screenshots .
Mr spock i'm totaly ok with u . Its a problem of players or tanks no upgraded .
stoic pebble
Stock grinds are just the part of the game.
unique scaffold
And that has nothing to do with balance. Good we agree. Now stop posting your screenshots here.
uncut belfry
@unique scaffold if players are such an issue, carry harder
drowsy plaza
chrome epoch
Good job, this isn't #screenshots btw
drowsy plaza
I’m making a point but thanks 🙏
chrome epoch
Oh ok
drowsy plaza
Balance discussion is not for rants about MM. Maybe WG could make a rant section 🤪. Balance discussion is an area to discuss tanks/tier etc balance issues - not how bad you or your team stinks
unique scaffold
#tinfoil hat discussion
lunar niche
Looking at the charts from 5.4, i'm surprised that IS 4 is not on top.
What exactly is stopping it from topping Maus? HP pool?
drowsy plaza
Yeah. Maus can soak up a slew of shots - and while it’s DPM is poor if it’s soaking up dmg the green team can live longer and kill more reds
The issue is when red either ignores it and focuses the others - or your team camps spawn.
jovial kernel
I hate when my teams focus VK 100.01 (P)s and Mauses :/
drowsy plaza
I hate it more when someone tries to 1:1 early and generally gets vaporized doing nothing
regal grove
Buff Vk 45.02A
little crest
Give it moar engine power or buff it's penetration :v
drowsy plaza
Vk 45.02 A is a heavium -- run it liek that and it is fantastic
crude pumice
plz nerf WZ-120FT's front hull. its too strong at flat standing.
it's brainless Pay2Win tank.
proud yew
WZ-120FT is beatable if you can aim, I think it is fine how it is
jovial kernel
I mean it only has better armor, dpm, mobility, and penetration than same tier heaviums
pseudo dome
I feel like WG could fix matchmaker by balancing the teams with players of similar win rates. Like each team gets 2-3 43%ers and rest are 45 or above
It would help with the balancing. And that way you can’t complain about your team if they’re balanced out like that.
marsh ginkgo
@pseudo dome THIS! This what it needs. It's not helpful that med/heavy/td ratios are even when more often than not that the win rates of the teams are stacked on one side and low on the other.
It's evident from playing that higher win rate players work as a team and low win rate players do not.
jovial kernel
idk but the IS-6 is a very good tier 8 medium
pseudo dome
@marsh ginkgo All I’m saying is you would have a even number of good and bad players on each team. Like for example let’s say there is a whole team of 54%ers vs a whole team of 42%ers. Who is more likely to play smart and more likely to win through teamwork? You see what I’m talking about. I’m not saying it would be a perfect fix but it would be better than what it is now. And like I said it would mean you couldn’t blame your team for losing because the teams would be even. You could only blame your own performance
swift merlin
@pseudo dome what's the point of random battles then
pseudo dome
@swift merlin I see your point as well. Like I said not a perfect fix. I’m saying put it in like specific events or tiers. Not everything. Like maybe tier 1-4. That’s all. Not 5-10
marsh ginkgo
@pseudo dome You are so correct. There should be an algorithm that sorts players by win rate and or dpm then separates them into the teams.
swift merlin
Rating battles are supposed to be prettt much what you described
pseudo dome
@swift merlin That’s pretty much my point just put it into some low tier matchmaker.
marsh ginkgo
Ratings battles take 5-10 minutes to wait for a match if you're lucky
@pseudo dome I'd disagree. I think it matters more in high tier. One guy afk or doing much less than avg is all it takes to slant the odds.
pseudo dome
True
marsh ginkgo
And in high tiers damage per battle isn't so different among vehicle types
pseudo dome
They are still not going to change high tier yet. They are trying to bring in new players with changes to low tier and it actually makes some high tier leave players leave cause they don’t change any high tier problems
@marsh ginkgo I would rather play with a bit than an afk player any day. Lien what if your not active for the first minute of the battle your tank turns into a bot.
marsh ginkgo
(insert wishful thinking) Why not create a new tier with different mm rules? A tier 11 perhaps. lol.
pseudo dome
Lol
I would like to see newer tanks than the current era of tanks in game. Not saying modern tanks but like Vietnam or Korean War era type stuff.
That could be the new tier. I would also like to see a tier 0 lol.
@storm shoal I know but I would like to see somethin like a leopard 2
marsh ginkgo
M60 too. But if WG goes any more modern then you will have the t-72 / m1 abrams in it and people's feelings will get bent no matter how they 'balance' the stats
pseudo dome
Lol fr. People would get so triggered against modern tanks
Armor wouldn’t matter with the pen of the APFSDS rounds and short reloads would trigger
storm shoal
That'd b cool, but modern tanks are a way different caliber than even the best tier 10s. They would have to only play against other modern tanks, have much Larger maps to compensate for their range and technology, and new game mechanics such as flares, anti tank missles. Etc,
pseudo dome
True true
marsh ginkgo
And if they want to avoid modern MBTs then they've hit the limit. My old tank commander used to be a gunner/TC in the m60. Next is the tank that I started on, the m1 slicks.
red quail
Wasn't that implemented in to the t49 a
storm shoal
It was but they scrapped it very soon and it was still sketchy
pseudo dome
It would be so funny if they had modern tanks in a event and people would hate it. Get one shot by even the weak MBTs
Wait isn’t M60A1 a MBT?
storm shoal
Modern tanks have guided missiles and such.
American Tanks, the M1 Abrams, (specifically SEP IV) utilizes depletes uranium armor and sabot shells, which could almost literally 1 shot most other modern day tanks that are known
pseudo dome
Yea I would like to see the leclarke. Probably spelled that wrong. It’s the Italian MBT
Ight I gtg. Bye y’all. I’ll be back tomorrow.
marsh ginkgo
I'm sure they could just fudge the numbers. Exclude the ancillary weapon systems, relegate ballistics to the equivalent of emergency mode firing (abrams) and it would be fine. Otherwise yeah a bunch of one shots and a couple tanks that would NEVER get penned.
@pseudo dome see ya later!
storm shoal
I'd LOVE to see some modern tanks, even in their initial testing phases would be fine.
And @marsh ginkgo you're right, they're have to mess with armor values and such, the mechanics of getting something realistic would be to much and they'd be better off making it into a separate game and marketing it as such,it would take away their focus on the core game and the new playerbase, which is all they cater to now days
marsh ginkgo
I'm sure enough people would re download the game or pay up for a new tier. I know I would. Sad thing is without something new or a change to high tiers that works I might soon just give up playing. And that makes me sad because I've invested a lot into this game.
I'm gonna get off discord for a bit but I'd love to talk about balancing high tiers again soon. @storm shoal see ya later bud.
storm shoal
I feel the same way at this point, WG is losing more veteran players but trying to make up for it by promoting and changing the low tiers. And they're turning the game into a pay to win more and more. And they make it to where you either can't win premiums in events or buy 200$ worth of crates to (maybe?) get a new tank. And th can get the same tank later for mix cheaper. If they added a new tier if modern tanks, it wouldn't surprise me if you had to pay for them out of pocket
slender briar
What if there was a skill component added to MM, where players were assigned a rating of =(90 Day WR x 100) x 90 Day Avg tier.
If 90 day Battle count is <75 then they're assigned a value of 240.
Then players are ordered from highest to lowest and tier, and then placed on a team alternatively. Type restriction are lifted whole this is tested.
small tinsel
@slender briar MM is done by a bot..
slender briar
Correct, but not really relevant? @small tinsel
hexed kernel
nerf t49 my friend has it and i dont and i want to be better than him
jovial kernel
lol
hexed kernel
i think its a perfectly reasonable request
jovial kernel
😂
iron hearth
I dont understand why this game has no rewards for ratings like any other online game without some rewards whats the point to play rating for a stupid platinum badge 😂 maybe some reasonable rewards would be a little amount of gold liike if your reach 4000 you get 400 gold or a tier 5 tank something
keen star
Like this @iron hearth😜
late tiger
Four battles in a row I ran out of shells (all of them victories)
50 is just not enough with a 4.2 reload and 30 av damage
dense verge
Get a better tank
quick lichen
@iron hearth last year the winner of ratings got a free trip to Minsk for twister cup
rich pike
Ballance what a joke , mm is worse than ever ,no Penn and shitty rng
@iron hearthwg is tight as a nuns crotch
desert beacon
ban those player who has 49.9% win rate that would make a balance in this game.
harsh snow
oh ye, that would definitely help the game ;o
dim field
Lose your first battle? Time to ban.
Win your first but lose your second and third? Time to ban.
quick lichen
@rich pike you don’t have to play
rich pike
@quick lichen I know I don't same as you
quick lichen
You don’t see me complaining @rich pike
“Ballance what a joke , mm is worse than ever ,no Penn and shitty rng”
As you take your time to say that on the official English discord for the game
As you presumably keep playing the game despite your frustrations
Logic
rich pike
I to have spent on this game and have a right to an opinion like you , sometime it helps to have a negative opinion in stead of been so far up wg ass
quick lichen
Right but do you read the server rules @rich pike ?
rich pike
What we not allowed an opinion
unique scaffold
I can see where this is going...
rich pike
Fair play
rich pike
4
jade cargoBOT
47ronnin#8917 was muted
lone obsidian
players like that should be banned ..Carry on
lilac depot
Meme
unique scaffold
Ouch
severe valve
I get a sick pleasure out of non uni’s getting shown their place.
quick lichen
It has nothing to do with stats
severe valve
Balanced, as everything should be.
quick lichen
It has everything to do with respect
unique scaffold
And how you convey your arguement.
quick lichen
There’s plenty of really nice 40% players
So many have messaged me and fan boyed after watching twister or seeing the clan tags
unique scaffold
I'm not a Uni but I'm able to clearly argue a point. Also a willingness to admit when you are wrong goes a long way.
severe valve
I’d bet money that most of the people on this server who complain about RNG and mm, showing screenshots of their losses is not a uni.
unique scaffold
I'm not going to take that bet🤣
severe valve
Just because someone decided to swear doesn’t make the original complaint any less stupid.
slim aurora
And here in #tank-balance-discussion, we have a trio of intellectuals discussing something of such high intellect not even I, a simpleton, can understand.
visual nimbus
oof
slim aurora
Shut the door, something intense is coming!
bright comet
please buff bdr
unique scaffold
What many individuals lack is the ability to seperate their emotions from what is happening. For example, a player who loses repeatedly, then states that the game is rigged against him. He fails to ask a number of logical questions. For example...
Is the game rigged against all players or just him? If it is rigged against all players then is it really rigged? If it is just rigged against him, why? What makes him stand out from the thousands of other players?
It's a knee jerk human reaction to assign blame elsewhere. It can never be our own fault.
slim aurora
🍿
jovial kernel
It's also general human emotion to want to shoot the guy who shot you so you need to separate that from what's happening as well
dim field
I vaguely remember there being a term for the falancy. The thing was something along the lines of "Every success is because of the individual but every failure was because the individuals teammates (or outside forces)" don't remember the actual term/name of it.
glass musk
ya des francais ?
quick lichen
@glass musk English
glass musk
okay 😦
glass musk
<hy ?!
marsh ginkgo
@quick lichen only slightly related to balance but will there be anything to balance the negative effects of language barriers?
glass musk
why ? 😦
quick lichen
Like on Eu and Asia?
drowsy plaza
Use arrows... use minimap, use targeting- none of those really require language
mellow cape
Ah yes language barriers exactly why the Asian server has pretty much no teamwork in randoms
marsh ginkgo
@drowsy plaza this is true but trying accomplish or explain a turn and burn or bounding or support by fire, or really saying anything is muy difícil when nearly half of those you pair with in mm don't understand you or you don't understand them. And it becomes less enjoyable too.
I don't know if my opinion is unpopular but I feel like it's a missed opportunity for some really good games when no effort is made to ensure teams have the best setting to communicate. I am bilingual for the most part so its not a problem for me personally on the NA server. But I can tell that the User Experience metric of the game has been suffering lately as this game has greatly increased in popularity among the Latin communities on the NA server.
quiet kite
most people on the NA server will speak english but every now and then you get the guy who starts talking in spanish that nobody pays attention to.
drowsy plaza
@marsh ginkgo the key to being successful in Blitz is expecting absolutely nothing from your team
marsh ginkgo
Perhaps there are not enough players in total to justify tuning the environment with regard to language.
main vine
@drowsy plaza That’s basically how I play, the only thing I expect of them is to be sponges to soak up damage or distractions while I make attempts to kill enemies
jovial kernel
The trick to succeeding in blitz is to help the person who looks like they might potentially know what they're doing
drowsy plaza
I don’t play selfishly - but I also won’t sacrifice myself for an imbecile. Gee lets me down two tanks right away as opposed to 1...
jovial kernel
If I'm in a medium and I see one of our mediums run into 2 enemies I'm gonna get over and try to help
jovial kernel
lmao gg person with a 3 shot autoloader getting 1 shot and dying
drowsy plaza
Helping when one can is great. - but wasting your HP for a lost cause isn’t.
shy ingot
Vk 100.01 p needs a nerf on some of its weak points because most tier 7’s cant even pen the sides unless extremely close and flat on
jovial kernel
Well I help if they're sorta nearby and it looks winnable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hps5BHiP20M If something is winnable you better not be running off obviously
drowsy plaza
@shy ingot aim - it’s a super slow super heavy with bad DPM
shy ingot
Lol its alot faster than you think
mellow cape
@shy ingot you just don't aim at it then, leave it to your tier 8s to handle
drowsy plaza
Leave it till last if possible.
jovial kernel
^^^
In a 1v1 situation a not stupid IS tank driver can easily kill a VK 100.01 (P)
drowsy plaza
Honestly I fail to understand how folks can’t get that aspect.
jovial kernel
Somehow people I get on my teams are starting to figure it out
drowsy plaza
Maybe they read my assessment of them on the forum.
jovial kernel
idk I realized that after 2 matches with them on the other team
shy ingot
Its not as easy as it seems when half you team dies to it xD or looses most of their hp and its team members finishes them
jovial kernel
Well they shouldn't have been shooting at it then, they should have ignored the thing and shot literally any other enemy.
shy ingot
Lol like for real tho, any tanks im having trouble penning or usual have trouble I usually relocate and hit other targets until its either killed or the last tank alive
drowsy plaza
It’s very easy to kill if you know what you are doing.
jovial kernel
If it's not the last tank alive your team dun messed up or an RU 251 keeps running from you
drowsy plaza
The only reason you need to engage a Vk early is if it goes right to cap on Encounter
mellow cape
Or your team is just good at killing it
drowsy plaza
He’s talking about a tier 7 v Vk issue. Frankly I think it’s a player issue not the tank issue.
shy ingot
Not easy to kill when your pinned down tho but it all depends on the situations your in
mellow cape
Yes it's even worse on PC where tier 6 tanks can face the VK just imagine that @shy ingot