@unique scaffold they cant fix it because its a prem and theres a golden rule as round it. @mellow cape we just dont need 183s in this game tbh
#tank-balance-discussion
sullen vault
unique scaffold
They nerfed many low Tiers premium tanks in this update, even paid ones, the premium golden rule doesn't stand
delicate crypt
Balance New tier8 german TD pls :>
sullen vault
What prems tank and what did they nerf abput them?
mellow cape
@sullen vault they changed them to collectors and nerfed them that means they can do it to any tank
keen lily
Bruh it is already balanced the player is just a pro
unique scaffold
The only in this moment I can think about is T1E6 or SU76l (removed HE, honestly I used that)
sullen vault
@mellow cape i dont care for lower tier since its purely irrelevant anyways.but what tanks turned into collecters that were premuim?
unique scaffold
So many
sullen vault
Owo haha rip sealclubbers
jovial kernel
Not the Kenny though because um reasons
mellow cape
@sullen vault would you care if they did it to the tier 8 premiums? Because they can now
unique scaffold
I don't care about seal clubbing, I care about coherence, they say they don't nerf Kenny, but nerfed other premiums. My word, I will be one of the players who will get outta this game if they nerf 183
sullen vault
@mellow cape i dont play much tier 8s,plus my tier 8s are bad anyways
mellow cape
@unique scaffold all derp tanks are broken in blitz due to there being only 7 players on a team, no one complains about kv2 on pc because of the higher number of players on a team that makes derp guns less effective
sullen vault
But i highly doubt they will touch tie4 8s,since the reason behind making these tanks collecters in the first place was to rid of sealclubbers amd make lower tiers better for.newbies
frigid temple
@unique scaffold why shouldn't they nerf 183?
unique scaffold
I talk about arbitrarily nerfing tanks, say and respect your own rules, but many players to reach that tank, like myself, have grinded hard to reach that tank AS IT IS. If they nerf it, I sorta feel betrayed, all wasted efforts.
grave siren
@keen lily the Scorpion is basically just a borsig but buffed in almost every aspect
mellow cape
@unique scaffold you can say that for every tier 10 tank then
keen lily
Yes i know
frigid temple
it's just a bs tank, you can 1 shot tier 9 if you have the max roll
grave siren
It needs a nerf. I’m sick of premium versions of tanks that are just better in every way
unique scaffold
I started to play blitz 2 years ago, I don't remember any Tier 10 nerfed, but I easily can be wrong here
grave siren
@unique scaffold they nerfed the Grille 15’s mobility I know
unique scaffold
Ah yes that I remember, sold it right away, and it was my 1st Tier 10
frigid temple
@grave siren they need a way to sell it. What would be the sense of selling a tank that is pretty much equal to a regular?
grave siren
Make a new tank with a different style, but a lot of premiums are just better, money loaded versions of tech tree tanks
frigid temple
@unique scaffold you sold it just because it got nerfed lol
unique scaffold
Yes, it was in a fit of rage lol
grave siren
The Grille didn’t need the nerf, it’s the worst of all tier X tank destroyers because of pen and armor anyways
frigid temple
I don't think that is true... but I don't have it so I won't say anything
grave siren
I have it and it needs the mobility it used to have to make up for the HE vulnerability
unique scaffold
frigid temple
omfg those 45s slowmode time is so annoying
jovial kernel
no ur so annoying
frigid temple
no u
unique scaffold
Nice matchmaking wot !!! Thanks
jovial kernel
cool you got unlucky now leave
unique scaffold
Grille mobility was ok, the panther chassis is the same, so rationally it was rightfully good at maneuvering. After the nerf it seems like a faster E75, without any of that armor
languid hedge
Instead of the honor system being useless can we have permission to report someone to ban for instant. If the player is absolute untrustworthy they there should be an option to report to full fully ban the tanker. That way the Admin will be willing to check into the case and see if it’s fair to ban or not.
Only the Admin will take actions. And here’s why. The community is really been harsh and annoying and take a look at this. I’ve been into multiple match with this guy and I’ve seen him disturbing everyone including me at the point I was frustrated and can’t take it anymore. It’s not like those toxic people who insults they literally troll people in a bad way.
If people’s ranking were to get derank and there should be a warning that says if you are not behaving correctly warning. Other than a message about you’re Honor has been demoted it needs to be a sinister message or something that would make them scared and try to obey. Of course it’s best to ban those trollers to get them out of the game.
So if a player were to demoted to absolute untrustworthy player and does not have a lot of compliment and have a lot of complaints. There should be an access to the player who reported the player who is a nuisance to the whole game. So that way it’s a huge case and the admin would likely to be sure to check on it. I would love the help the community for being nice and balance. So please try to make the honor system somewhat useful and put a justice to these toxic trollers who are pushing everyone to their deaths and making them mad
I know this is a repost because someone asked me for it because he wanted to do the same thing as me
viscid kettle
I don't think any changes to the honor system that requires manual attention of Admin staff would be made -- the number of cases to look into daily would be ridiculous and would not be worth the time to look into them -- because well - trolls
languid hedge
Yeah, I guess you are correct. But then the Honor System is absolutely useless in my opinion
viscid kettle
It is, but it does curb some behavior, just not all.
the last time I was reported, like the only time, was when I got 6k damage in my 183 -- didn't make folks happy. People always are like "report XXX because they are being a noob" and fully don't understand the purpose of the system -- because it doesn't really have one.
legit complaints are also not given due to fear of retaliation
mighty spear
people give complaints when they are salty, despite whether you did eveything right in that battle.
I got a penalty for unsupporting conduct
, I did a solid 3k dmg in ru251
indigo knot
Please buff jgpze100
small flame
it doesnt need a buff fool
indigo knot
It needs some love in terms of traverse
small flame
it has insane armor and an awesome gun
slender briar
50 traverse would be amusing though
small flame
and incredibly dumb
viscid kettle
If they are gonna buff any Tier X TD, it should be the E3 with either higher traverse or more side armor
small flame
yes haha very funny
viscid kettle
how many rounds you play in an E3?
indigo knot
Good armour yeah but traverse nos could be buffed up to the same level of E3
small flame
none. but it was recently buffed. and its frontal is insane
viscid kettle
its front was never a problem, although it can be penned at the top
small flame
rarely
indigo knot
And nerfed too coz it was kind of Op with that 8 degree of gun dep and frontal armour
slender briar
Lol, if you’re right next to it and lucky.
viscid kettle
no, it just requires a big gun.... like the E100
small flame
it has a better gun than the e100
slender briar
It’s 90mm thick. Anything will pen the weak point, but the weak point isn’t a factor.
viscid kettle
with a tank as slow as the E3 it is a factor
indigo knot
E3 doesn't need a buff...if it was that bad then it would have never been used in tournaments
small flame
^^^^^^
viscid kettle
No one said its a crap tank, its definitely has its merits
small flame
but have you played the grille 15?
indigo knot
I sometimes feel wz113 is bit over cooked ....it has good armour and dpm and insane heat pen
viscid kettle
yes quite a bit - I have all Tier X tds excep for french
indigo knot
Grille sucks ....I like the tank but camo rating in lightly armoured tank as grille ....it sucks ...while 183 being size of house has such a good camo rating
viscid kettle
grille 15 is just different play
small flame
yeah but @viscid kettle youre not very good, so your oppinion is probably not worth much on this matter
viscid kettle
Yes, clearly I am terrible. Such a noob.
small flame
i didnt say you were terrible. i said not very good. which is true
slender briar
You think the grille is fine, and the E3 needs buffed... it’s warranted.
indigo knot
@small flame i didn't know that in here only unicums were allowed to tell there minds ....👏👏👏
jovial kernel
E3 and Grille need buffs
unique scaffold
How to get better at blitz whats some good tips and tricks???
small flame
thats not what im saying @indigo knot , however, its logical that the better players oppinions should have more weight than people who arent very good
slender briar
Aiming #1 @unique scaffold
jovial kernel
@unique scaffold learn how Penetration and armor work, the more angled armor is, the more penetration you need to get through
unique scaffold
I sidescrape alot but i still get penned
slender briar
You’re not sidescraping then
small flame
maybe hes side scraping in a grille
jovial kernel
All armor piercing shells bounce when they angle of incidence is over 70 degrees unless the diameter of the shell is over 3 times the armor thickness
slender briar
200 IQ 🤔
jovial kernel
a 152mm AP shell will always penetrate a 50mm plate
unique scaffold
I think Vindicator needs a little buff in mobility, pen is fine enough, even if faulty more than one occasion, for that I resort on HE shells
indigo knot
@small flame during the games if a unicum says something then I am ok with it and I listen to him coz he is better but here you are here to give your opinions not to brag about your stats
And if you mean to say that opinions matter then for WG the one who spends more cash ....his opinion matters the most
sharp wind
Do you even know where to look first in regarding balance?
little crest
Tell us how? OwO We wanna know OwO
small flame
yes im aware of that. so its a good thing i never even mentioned my stats then eh? @indigo knot
lone warren
I personally find the e3 fun to play already just can never show ur sides gun depression is also fun to use over ridgelines
dim field
Can they add camo values, and gun depression/elevation stats for tanks
main vine
^ That would be very helpful
small flame
seriously
little crest
gun arc stats for turretless tds as well
main vine
^ that too
severe valve
I hate skorpion....well not hate but dislike
viscid gyro
I have seen a lot of bad players score 0 with scorpion, but I have also seen good players with 6 kills and over 5K damage, it seems all tanks are about equal depending on driver...
wild lion
Its like the Hellcat but with more Alpha. Fasty bois
main vine
@severe valve what about it?
severe valve
@main vine I don’t like the chassis and the gun depression
The traverse on both hull and turret is atrocious
drowsy plaza
I have seen two played well and about 30 played epically bad. Seems most players just drive it at reds and try to get a hit or two before they die. I guess no different than how 90% of the playerbase plays so I shouldn’t be shocked.
severe valve
Idk, im not a fan of it as much as the borsig or isu
hoary sorrel
It’s better than both but ok
shut wigeon
@severe valve What about wz 120-1g ft?
weary token
Too little Russian bias.
drowsy plaza
Crate tank... I’ll check it out when it hits the store.
heady laurel
The Skorpion is just in that tier where armor is a plenty, and with the super heavies added, along with the Joseph Stallon happy hour of heavy tanks a plenty, the gameplay is better afar than close.
Maps like the new Normandy map might be better suited for dynamic gameplay from this TD.
However I think there are better tier 8 TD's to play as I hate HE susceptible tanks.
jovial kernel
People who like the stock gun borsig just got power crept out of existence
umbral hound
American T32 heavy is bad. I know people don't agree but I just want to assert again that it could use a buff.
jovial kernel
it has like infinite turret armor
hidden solstice
yes it needs a pen buff then it would be better and @jovial kernel that too
umbral hound
It has a little more than the T29 but it fights T9 enemies
jovial kernel
40 percent trash likes it a lot
hidden solstice
Hey hey hey i love the t32 and I have a 55% WR
heady laurel
Some tanks require APCR to use the guns like the tier 9 Patton and T32 American heavy against other tanks at their tier.
Its just how some tanks were hurt by premium ammo HP nerf damage. However damage delt is better than damage missed.
umbral hound
@hidden solstice I want to love it but I just can't. It feels like a weaker T29 relative to the tier it is in.
hidden solstice
Well as i said before it really needs a pen buff but other then that it is better then the t29 in every way
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel Borsig never meant to use its stock gun. You are doing wrong if you are using the stock gun.
mellow cape
Normandy seems very unbalanced because it was unbalanced in real life
viscid kettle
I didn't like the T32 either
sullen vault
@umbral hound incorrect,T32 is very nice
its the most recent tier 8 heavy ive played and just loved it to bits,The only thing i c that it needs is better apcr pen
slender briar
198 standard is pretty mediocre, especially with the alpha and accuracy it has
pallid basalt
what we need in update 5.6
SU-122-44 nerfed
sullen vault
what?no it doesnt need a nerf
pallid basalt
are you sure, 400 damage and like 5 sec reload doesnt need a nerf?
sullen vault
it doesnt have 5sec.actually it has the worst out of all 120mm tier 7 tds
pallid basalt
it just shot, i unload my 6 sec clip, and i get hit for 400 damage
little crest
What we need in future updates: nerf SU-122-54's dpm back to normal and buff gun angles
sullen vault
other than the wz135,but thats just a terrible tank,prob the worst tank in the game tier for tier
pallid basalt
(a-20)
sullen vault
both isu 122s and su152 have 3.3k dpm and 6 degrees of gd while su12244 has 2.7k and 4 degreees of gd @pallid basalt
stoic pebble
and the 122-44 has more mobility and arguably more armor
covert snow
What is armor
sullen vault
@stoic pebble armor doesnt matter if the enemy can shoot espiecally in higher tiers.also if ur gonna talk about angled up a hill,the su152 can be as trollish.More mobility but not entirely enough to compensate for its abilites in todays meta
stoic pebble
in my opinion only the 152 is viable in today's meta, and I wouldn't play any of those russian TDs anyway since i dislike their playstyle.
pallid basalt
and su-122-44 has most toxic drivers, they all just say ez and make fun of you when they kill you
theres 2 152's
sullen vault
Buffs that(what i find)to be logical for the su12244
-buff top speed from 48 to 54
-Minor buff to Power to weight
- A small buff to dpm(optional)
pallid basalt
buff a already nerf deserving tank??????
unique scaffold
@sullen vault it's needs a buff to it's alcr rounds and dpm
sullen vault
it doesnt deserve a nerf,80% of tier 7 tds has better dpm and far better pen
pallid basalt
dpm isnt everything, it has high single shot damage, which i find more preferrable than 200 dmg a shot with fast reload
stoic pebble
yeah, but the 122-44 bounces mediums and can actually fight them unlike the 152 and 122s
pallid basalt
by the time you get to do as much damage as single shot, you have to stay out of cover for way longer
bounce off of mediums?
it penetrates my is-3 like butter no matter what side scrape or not i do
tepid cipher
122-44 succ
sullen vault
thats ur opinion,what i state is facts.also when u say high single shots, su100m1 and jagdpanther has 90 less alpha(310) but have 30mm more pen,far better gun handling while maintaining faster or same speed than the su12244.also if ur getting hit by it then ur bad and letting it also its a td,suppose to be penning even tho hes prob using apcr because its pen is terrible
pallid basalt
getting penetrated by a td means your bad?
sullen vault
i mean ur stating its penetrating u like butter,meaning ur letting him have ur lower plate,so u make the connections,it has 175 ap pen,which if i recall cant pen an is3 frontally
pallid basalt
no, im trying to either go for someone else and he gets spotted from nowhere, or i try to spot for my team and the guy pre aims me
whats up with this 45 sec cooldown
you can just keep editing messages
how to bypass the system
chrome epoch
Lol
pallid basalt
i look back after like 2 minutes and rggcd is still typing, you dont need to give us a shakespeare paragraph ok?
slender briar
175 is enough to pen an IS-3
mellow cape
@slender briar not reliably
stoic pebble
Once again, even though the 122-44 is overall a trash tank and is generally awful in tier 7 mm, it can still perform its role far better than everything you just mentioned except maybe the 100M1. Have you seen how terrible the Jp and the 100M1 do against mediums? They get penned by standard AP from lower tier mediums, and one of them can easily be outflanked. The 122-44 is not meant to be a bush camping machine, it's supposed to be a pseudo medium. Instead of firing gold at the front of tier 8 heavies, how about you go support mediums? You can keep up with them and leverage a medium disadvantage in the case there is one. The majority of points you bring up are absolutely correct, and I do believe a buff is necessary to make the vehicle competitive again. However, the buffs you mention do not help in the case of fighting heavies. You mention that the engine power and top speed should be buffed, but all that does is make its intended role, killing mediums, much easier. If you really wanted to make the 122-44 a heavy killer, you are going to need to make some sacrifices. Also @pallid basalt im bored
pallid basalt
yep i knew shakespeare paragraph incoming
slender briar
LFP; drive wheel are both easy pens. Who knows where the shots are going
If it's anything other than straight on, it's plenty
pallid basalt
i look over with my amx 13 75, 122 looking at me, i flank onto other side, look over, looking straight at me again, how am i ment to out flank it
slender briar
Tracking it with 1 shot
pallid basalt
tracking isnt as easy as it sounds when you got a 400 damage gun pointed at you and dispersion as big as a black hole
slender briar
Black holes are pretty small tho
pallid basalt
and if you try bait peek, like i did, i got 👏 'd
pretty small? its nearly impossible to visualise the size of a black hole, that seems miniscule
slender briar
Since the density is infinite, that means the volume-size is infinitesimally small.
mellow cape
@pallid basalt it isn't, only a small fraction are huge generally in the center of galaxies
pallid basalt
the mass of a black hole is insane, but its size is much more than small, bigger than size of earth isnt small
mellow cape
@slender briar no the density of a black hole isn't infinite, it's unknown at the singularity but on the event horizon there is a definite density and no they aren't infinitesimally small
umbral hound
@sullen vault That is crazy talk. The T32 could for sure use a little buff ☹
mellow cape
A pen buff would be great for the t32
slender briar
Event horizon == black hole
pallid basalt
event horizon is point of no return
umbral hound
@mellow cape That would be nice. I would honestly take just about anything. accuracy hp or anything.
pallid basalt
from then on, no matter which direction you go, no matter how fast your spacecraft is, even infinity, you will always be flying closer to the middle of black hole no matter what direction
mellow cape
@slender briar yes generally black hole 'size' is measured from the event horizon
chrome epoch
How do you even measure the size of a black hole
pallid basalt
and you die a nice death of turning into spaghet, apparentally it feels nice and relaxing at the start, until it detaches your torso from your legs
ever wanna be a 14 foot sasquatch to impress all the girls? black hole is for you, nba star in no time
chrome epoch
I'm halfway there already
pallid basalt
how tf did su-122-44 turn into talking about scientific specs of black holes lmao, im gonna go now cya
mellow cape
@pallid basalt more misconceptions, you cannot travel at 'infinite' speed and if you could you would be able to escape the event horizon of a black hole. The speed limit is the speed of light and anything with mass cannot travel at the speed of light. If the speed of light were to somehow increase the event horizon of a black hole would also shrink because more light can escape before it reaches point of no return
pallid basalt
i mean inside the black hole you cant
the density pulls you to the middle
dull obsidian
the sta is a black with all the shots it sucks in
how do we make it gooD
mellow cape
@pallid basalt and the death depends on the size of the black hole, for smaller black holes you would die before you even go inside the event horizon but for bigger ones you would be fine for quite some time even inside the event horizon
pallid basalt
#sendbigshaqtothesun
mellow cape
@pallid basalt yes I know what you meant, avoid using 'infinite' in physics otherwise you mess up everything
pallid basalt
you dont have to tag me every message
sullen vault
@stoic pebble never said its suppose to be a heavy killer,the 12244 is suppose to be acting like the 54 in regards to playstyle so my buffs are reasonable there.Also the speed buff is also more to the historical side.at the same time,su144 and both tanks can be penned by meduim tank ap pen if they can just aim,ive bounce alot in my career for su100m1.i fully know its not great fighting front tier 8 heavies.
jagd has decent enough armor to bounce shots when its hulldown in a hill,and pull off shots there because of gd unlike the su12244,su100m1 has a nice sniper/meduim support role and its armor isnt too relevant but its still there
@umbral hound yea like i stated,it could use an apcr buff like they did for that wierd tank on pc.same gun but better apcr pen,other than it doesnt need anything else much,its all about skill at that point.
urban owl
There is a thing called “calibrated shells”. Must be why the SU-122-44 can pen Alexa’s IS-3 in front.
sharp wind
The SU-122-44 doesn’t need speed or dpm buffs. You don’t understand the concept of a buff. Just improving speed and dpm shows the lack of your experience. You want a buff, then it needs a minor decrease in it’s gun dispersion while traversing and terrain resistances slightly lowered.
sullen vault
@sharp wind gun depression on the 12244 is not how u improve it if u knew its playstyle,and i have the expierence of the tank with almost 700 battles in it,so no ur completely wrong there.
like i said and im gonna say it again,its playstyle is similiar of that of the 54 and su101
@urban owl ya calib works but ur just losing dpm which would be terrible,since it already has lackluster dpm.also the fact it wont improve much because it uses apcr as prem rather than heat rounds
sharp wind
I never stated gun depression, don’t misread something and make yourself look like an idiot. And the T-54 in no way translates over to the 122-44 it should be played similar to the 268 and at mid range. Also you do not understand even half of the notion of how to play a 101. Because if you play the 101 like a T-54 then you are brain dead.
Do not say I have no experience in the 122-44 I have played it enough to understand the vehicle.
@sullen vault and do not @ me as I do not care about your misguided opinions.
sullen vault
@sharp wind yes i reread that wrong,but no need to act so immature.also,either way gun dispersion still isnt the way to go,also im stating 122 54 not the t54 i dont understand why u wouldve thought of that.also u @ me i @ u.
sharp wind
Because reducing the bloom when having been moving the gun doesn’t help. Begone moron 40%er
sullen vault
-i have better stats
also there is no problem with its gun handling,considering ur not there to snipe
also now that i think about it,what u stated is now kinda making u a hypocrite gg
sharp wind
You are there to be a mid range vehicle, you just don’t understand what that means
sullen vault
i know how to play the tank,i know mid range playstyle,i dont understand what you're trying to say.how the in the world is buffing the dispersion gonna do anything?
stop trying to act like you are better than me.
junior tulip
Fight fight fight!
Kiss kiss kiss
elfin mortar
the su 122 44 is an amazing tank idk why you guys are arguing about it
sharp wind
You don’t understand how soft stats work.
sullen vault
lol
elfin mortar
considering i've never heard anyone use the term when talking about tanks, yeah I don't
sullen vault
now i dont know what soft stats are after using tanks.gg and expierence.this guy said it so i dont know it.not even gonna argue anymore.someone whos dum enough to think like this is a lost cause
languid hedge
It’s quick, has sloped armor and has access to a 122mm
jovial kernel
and rather nice dpm
sullen vault
it doesnt have nice dpm tier for tier.for a td its pretty average average
elfin mortar
r u crazy
sullen vault
its far better than all heavies im pretty sure but for tds its in the middle
languid hedge
Actually I agree with Legacy’s opinion. It’s actually somewhat average.
elfin mortar
fair, but it's still 2700+dpm
sullen vault
when i consider it not nice,it cant compete against tier 8s unlike other tds.at the same time it can dominate tier 6 and average at tier 7
elfin mortar
Well, I've had great success with the tank, maybe because I played most of my battles in it a while ago, but I think I'd still manage fairly well.
sullen vault
yes if u do well in it,it does make hella credits,i do average 70k in it.if u average like me which is around 1.8k then ur fine
elfin mortar
tbh I've only played 61 battles in it, but I managed a 72% wr :v
quick lichen
Get a room
elfin mortar
ok bb ily
fickle plaza
I wonder why ke-ni otsu is still OP
dense cedar
@fickle plaza So do I. Ridiculously so now that everything else got nerfed.
fickle plaza
@dense cedar cruiser IV is nerfed, T-46 is nerfed, and other competitive clip tanks are all nerfed. Now Otsu is the king isn't it?
dense cedar
@fickle plaza kenny Otsu was always the king even then.
fickle plaza
@dense cedar Thats right. Then....king become the emperor or something?
solar river
@fickle plaza GOD EMPEROR OF TANKIND
fickle plaza
@solar river I fell very lucky cuz I have Otsu. It looks cute but when it starts his gun roar......oww
minor nacelle
RNG in Wotb is BS... MM it's worse than ever
WG completely took control over the MM by unbalacing the teams regarding the player stats.
Not normal that over the weekend most teams I played had less than 50% WR average vs 55% WR from enemies
Only pay-to-win players can win today on a regular bases. BS WG
Who cares a Maus platoon on our team if the that platoon has 2k and 40% WR?
MM sucks and RNG is not RNG
inner dagger
This proves ur stupidity. Mm is the same for everyone and it's completely random
tardy meadow
Thats why its random mm
minor nacelle
LOL.
Explain to me how over the weekend I was always on the week side? Can you explain?
tardy meadow
Bad luck
inner dagger
Dude maybe consider the constant factor. That will explain alot most of the time
minor nacelle
LOL.
Bad luck and RNG don't mix
Constant factor and RNG don't mix. They are the opposite.
You're giving me reason
inner dagger
😂 u clearly don't understand what I want to say
minor nacelle
Yes. The point is they are not random
Do you know that's easy to influence the random factor with simple scripts? WG is doing that
inner dagger
The only constant factor is... (sursprise surprise) ... YOU
minor nacelle
Yes... I'm not a pay to win player... Always on the week side... Where's the random here?
OK... Not always... 80/90%
inner dagger
Smh people will never change will they 😒
tardy meadow
nope
minor nacelle
Yes... Look at the mirror
inner dagger
I see a handsome young man? Yes? ;)
tardy meadow
So you want a mm in which your on the winning side all the time?
minor nacelle
What's your WR?
No... My WR is 55,5%.... Was... Now it's less because of MM vs over the weekend
tardy meadow
Sits like this for a lot of time
minor nacelle
Not mine
inner dagger
Believe in what you want to believe my dude
minor nacelle
Depends on the the WG needs to satisfy some players
tardy meadow
Its mine
minor nacelle
You too. Believe what you want.
Fck this delay... I'm out.
sharp island
im probs only one who doesnt care bout winrate as long as player is gud and no afk in team
tardy meadow
What @sharp island said
sharp island
lol I saw a 44wr player win against a 4v1 in tier 8
inner dagger
I wish I could play like that, without worries. Sadly I'm too obsessed with numbers
minor nacelle
When you are the top WR player on your team over and over again, playing vs players with more that 60% over and over again... Where the fkg RNG?
Players with 2k battles and WR of 40% are not good
You don't win alone. This is s team game.
Means that they loose 6 in 10. If they loose, you loose also. Easy math.
You get one that do a good match time to time, but overall are bad players.
tardy meadow
Then just man up and go play another battle its just a game anyway
inner dagger
You is the constant factor which u can influence, keep that in mind sir
minor nacelle
Yes, a game where is suppose to have fun... And the fun is being a lot less... Probably I'm going for a break.
inner dagger
Focus on urself more than on the people that surround u
tardy meadow
@minor nacelle go play something else for a little bit. I think your too frustrated and cant think straight
minor nacelle
@inner dagger what you say is ridiculous and no sense, unless you saying I have influence over MM... and that means there's no RNG 😒
inner dagger
Apparently ur the only one here who doesn't understand me. Mybe it's the language barrier idk. I suggest u taking ur time for a break, I do it myself aswell
minor nacelle
Over last week's I've been collecting data... Even when I win like 7-0 I'm taking data from the opponents.
I know what I'm saying and I have data to support.
tardy meadow
''Geek time intensifies"
inner dagger
So u say when u would be playing on let's say my acc u would win more?
minor nacelle
My job... I do analysis... This one is for free
And this started not because of me, but from players complaining about the MM bs
inner dagger
Mm got some problems, but the ones ur talking about
minor nacelle
And I started to take a deep look how the teams are distributed regarding only the player stats.
It's hilarious and they do this.
tardy meadow
My problem with mm is getting in battle with this kind of people
minor nacelle
And you are giving me reason.
sharp island
loll makes me remember players boasting bout winrate but they just seal clubbers
minor nacelle
Did you checked the opponents regarding the stats?
tardy meadow
Your gona make me open the game again ONE MOMENT PLIZ
minor nacelle
I'm not seal clubbers. FV183 is the tank with more battles that I have (almost 1k)
tardy meadow
Which stats do you want WR AVG DMG games played ?
inner dagger
Omg obviously you are a ds player hahahahah
sharp island
well I didn't say you were lol
minor nacelle
Yes, mainly WR and games played - DMG depends the tier
tardy meadow
ok one moment
sharp island
tbh I been holding trainings in my clan and they actually just need proper training. My 41wr member has been improving alot.
minor nacelle
DS? What's that?
inner dagger
You know what I've noticed? The biggest crybabies are ds players. Just bcs it's the t10 tank with the lowest wr (go figure why u lose so much) and it's a tank that doesn't need any skill to do 2.5k dmg
Sigh
minor nacelle
I have more than 50% WR on FV. I like it because I like tds... But my favorite class is heavies
viral totem
Kv 2 is too overpowered
inner dagger
Hahahahhaah
minor nacelle
I've the kv2... Like more the fv
inner dagger
U got oneshot?
wispy tinsel
Of course
minor nacelle
I only have 71 battles on kv2
But what is DS?
inner dagger
Death Star aka Fv 215b 183
wispy tinsel
Why 40 scnd slow mode???
ember thunder
..jeez too many abbreviations
minor nacelle
AH... Yes... Was not connecting the things
minor nacelle
😀 nah... I only do it on my games. No one is paying me 😂
tardy meadow
minor nacelle
😂😂🤦 where's the RNG on MM there? That's looks like so BS. 😂😂
obsidian osprey
5/14 competent players in that game. Or quite a few device crashes oof
minor nacelle
The opponents who score only shot once? LOL
That match was completely broken... That's a BS match.
obsidian osprey
There shouldn’t be that many bad players to pull into one game at tier 9/10. If you can’t manage to pop off a single shot in a round, even while getting steamrolled, it’s time to drop tiers or hang it up (barring getting ammoracked etc)
dim field
When you get nailed before you even see the light bulb.
keen lily
kids playing wotb
drowsy plaza
Seriously if you guys haven’t figured out the player base is mostly oxygen thieves by now what’s wrong isn’t them, it’s you expecting players.
On Canyon when a Mäuschen gets a scout medal - and look at the teams. Unless you know any players on green - expect them to be of zero help and zero competence.
@obsidian osprey bro 90% of the Blitz Player base is BAD. The odds of getting good players on green or red are remarkably low. It’s actually almost a given your going to be the best on your team and more likely the best on both teams.
sharp wind
Make Mediums relevant again. Heavy TD meta is boring and repetitive.
obsidian osprey
@drowsy plaza Yeah I know 😞 i was making a normative statement about how it shouldn’t be that way at tier 9/10. Maybe WG will throw us a bone and put some YouTube training vids in the tutorial one of these days so we at least don’t get the turret spinning crowd up there
drowsy plaza
Honestly the turret spinning crowd has always been there -- the difference in 2014/2015 was not as many had tier X tanks yet. I can deal with the turret spinning window lickers -- I just accept it. @sharp wind totally agree the current meta is too heavy/TD centric -- I think some med tank slight buffs are in order --- even if it is just another 10M or so of view range, or a few more KPH speed. But I'd also take some pen too if it was offered 😉
dim field
What do you mean by turret spinners?
obsidian osprey
That class of player who sits in the open and tries to turn only their turret to track a tank circling them. Surest sign that they are absolutely clueless
dim field
Ah one of those poor souls
thin condor
They are kinda fun to troll in a bulldog though
slender briar
If they're wanting to diversify the roles, then there always should've been an increase in spotting/camo dynamics for meds/lights, and nerfs for heavys and TDs
prime walrus
Woah someone that gets it. OMG, dont want a game filled with Heavies and TDs?
Buff the meds back... what an ingenuis idea 😂
sharp wind
All they need to do is return to the original medium pen values
slender briar
330 HEAT pls
sharp wind
And buff the Is-7’s apcr. I don’t care about the heat. I’d rather have the 260+ apcr
jovial kernel
Or they could just make the 183 not have a cloaking device
prime walrus
A heavy that can pen a maus front with standard pen... how about no
jovial kernel
the 183 needs rebalancing not because it's overpowered but because it's just not fun to play against. One person shouldn't be able to ruin the fun of 7 others by basically having the guaranteed ability to delete half a tank every 20 seconds
sharp wind
IS-7 needs a gold buff. That has been an issue since the mobility nerf of 2015. And the mediums need 264 apcr pen because the normalization values make them have less pen compared to the heavies.
hoary sorrel
APCR is a terrible standard round
sharp wind
@chrome epoch you don’t understand the basic concept of a standard round. Cease your worthless add ins and learn.
chrome epoch
@sharp wind I know what a standard round is, calm down.
sharp wind
Works better as a standard round on a moving vehicle. @hoary sorrel because you will have less deviation of shell travel because AP has a slight drop.
jovial kernel
Tier 10 mediums other than the Obj. 140 and I think the 121 (not sure on that one though) have APCR as standars which sucks
hoary sorrel
I guess so. But the normalization completely kills any advantage it may carry. I hate how unreliable the pen is for apcr.
sharp wind
The normalization is bad that is why it should have the higher base pen rather than nerfed version because it would even out.
264 APCR evens out close enough 258 AP
hoary sorrel
I can get behind that.
jovial kernel
either that or give them AP
prime walrus
Oh man, a Russian Tier 10 med variant with 264AP pen and Premium AP of 330... I would have 10k games in that thing real quick.
sharp wind
That would be too easy
HEAT still forces you to aim. If it was 310 AP then it would be a balanced around. Otherwise it’s op and boring.
prime walrus
Well it would be balanced in some other way, probably like 0.36 accuracy... worse accuracy for any med or light at tier 10 i think... and then it would probably also have 5 degrees of gd and a 20% chance to ammo rack or something rediculous
jovial kernel
I think the Obj. 140's balance of 240 AP pen and isn't APCR is a nice balance
could be buffed to 250 tho
hoary sorrel
240 AP is still bad
prime walrus
Does the tier 10 batchat get 240 AP or APCR?
sharp wind
240 is awful. Batchat has APCR.
hoary sorrel
Apcr
jovial kernel
oof that's bad
prime walrus
Seemingly sad, but batchat can have 240 because of its other skills... Both russian meds are clearly the worst of the tier 10 meds these days... next to the 4202 that is... and they could probably use either some more standard pen or their turret armor back
hoary sorrel
T-62 is not bad
sharp wind
Mediums shouldn’t have worse pen compared to heavies. Out of all the tanks the heavies should have the worst pen. T-62 needs a turret buff. And the 140 even more so.
prime walrus
Yes because of continual accruacy buffs, but I still wouldnt use one in comp or for continual wins at tier 10, I just use my t62a now a days for memes.
sharp wind
4202 should be moved to tier 8 and forgotten.
hoary sorrel
You wouldn’t use many things in comp, but that’s only because you don’t play tier 10 comp anymore.
jovial kernel
FV4202 is only good for pub stomps
has no place in comp
prime walrus
oof, shot thru the heart
jovial kernel
Currently I think the Centurion AX and FV4202 should be sibling tanks like the T-62A and Obj. 140
rancid flame
^
sharp wind
T-62A isn’t that bad in tourneys. I stomped the Void team in a 62.
prime walrus
Negative. The 4202 should be traded off for the AX
jovial kernel
People like the 4202 though
rancid flame
Yeah, tho mostly that’s the Britishaboos
jovial kernel
4202 gets actual hull armor, AX gets slightly better dpm and mobility is how I'd do it
hoary sorrel
4202 may be better off with a buff to the upper portion of the turret. Make it similar to the STB, you will bounce off the top if it is using gun depression. Would make it a decent ridgeline med.
unique scaffold
I'd like to see a global hit to view ranges and then a slight buff to medium and light camo ratings. Make the small Blitz maps seem a smidge bigger while making lights and mediums more relevant.
rancid flame
@jovial kernel I wouldn’t give the AX better mobility, I’d keep its mobility the same as the Cent 7/1, but give it better dpm
chrome epoch
Good idea
jovial kernel
Problem is is global nerfs have issues involved when you deal with premium tanks
Globally buff camo then show camo values in garage
rancid flame
Because, really, the AX isn’t anything more than a 7/1 with a different turret
sharp wind
@unique scaffold better off nerfing the view ranges of heavies because the view ranges already make low camo tds difficult to manage.
prime walrus
Honestly I dont think people like it at all. The only tank they do worse in on average is the leo, and thats because people dont know how not to rush... and in a yolo game a leo is the only tank that can die faster... and out of every tier 10 med right now, the 4202 is played the least, except for the new tier 10, wz121.... so I dont think anyone would care if their 4202 disappeared one day and they got a free actionX in its place.
unique scaffold
4202 is my favorite tier X med so far. I struggle in poor gun depression tanks so the Soviet meds and I don't get along so well. Ive gotten better with them but I don't find them as fun as the good ol 4202.
prime walrus
All tier 10 meds have good gun dep bar the russians
literally play anything else
jovial kernel
Just make the AX and FV4202 sibling tanks
hoary sorrel
Heh. E50M op.
rancid flame
The 4202 for me isn’t as fun as my 7/1 because the turret bounces just aren’t reliable (that and it’s ugly as sin)
sharp wind
140 has enough gun depression
jovial kernel
Besides, keeping the FV4202 as a tier 10 has a benefit to WG because they don't need to give out free tier 8 premiums lol
prime walrus
4 is horrendous, 5 is bad 6 is sub par 7 is average , 8 is good, 9 is great and 10 is terrific... usually thats the case
as you go up the tiers, especially tier 9 and 10... its more like:
7 and below is bad, 8 is subpar, 9 is average, 10 is good, nothing above 10 exists, but if we ever get a tier 9/10 with 10+ gd that will be great.
jovial kernel
8 degrees is fine lol how is that sub par
rancid flame
They don’t have to, now they can just make the 4202 a “Collector” tank @jovial kernel
prime walrus
At high tiers... if everything else has 9 or 10 degrees, ur 8 becomes subpar, thats how averages work
unique scaffold
So far I've only got the Russians meds and the FV. Sooner or later I'll unlock the Fatton. Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment but as it stands I enjoy the 4202 the most out of all my meds
sharp wind
Getting a new tier 8 premium to sell definitely wouldn’t benefit WG. Not to mention that they will release a legendary camo as well.
hoary sorrel
9° average?
jovial kernel
I mean even the T110E5 only has 8 degrees and that's an American tank
Also FV4202 and Centurion AX should both be researchable tier 10 mediums in the British tree, they're lacking in tier 10 tanks anyways for a nation that has Meds, Heavies, and TDs.
sharp wind
The E50M has 8 doesn’t it? And the Leo has less than 10 but more than 7.
prime walrus
pretty close, think it went down to 8 with the addition of the wz, but i know for sure before the average GD at tier 10 for meds used to be 8.5 or higher
hoary sorrel
E50M just got 8° all around. It’s pretty op now
prime walrus
👌
sharp wind
Meh the gun rof could be better.
hoary sorrel
Buffed rof recently, came with the gun dep change. Unless you mean even more. Which would completely break the tank.
rancid flame
I think the Cent AX and the 4202 could represent the two different thoughts of the British medium line. Pre-comet is a bunch of tanks with good mobility and decent hull armor with poor turrets like the 4202, and the AX is indicative of the post Comet Centurions (because it is one)
sharp wind
Hmm a lot has happened in a year then
4202 should be removed and forgotten. And then sold in crates with terrible drop chances for an absurd cost.
jovial kernel
Why do people hate the FV4202 so much jeez
shut wigeon
4202 should be a tier 8 medium tank. It would be much more historical.
rancid flame
“Historical”
jovial kernel
Ah yes historical accuracy in a game where the Tiger 1 gets an L/71 and Valkyria Chronicals and Warhammer 40k tanks are a thing
prime walrus
The 4202 is a med thats as slow as the patton but armor nearly as bad as the leo, has no premium ammo so it struggles to pen most tier 10s and its hesh lets it shred meds, but if you havent noticed, the Heavy meta has left tier 10 devioid of meds. I played maybe 10 games at tier 10 yesterday and all of them had 0 meds on the enemy team and 1 on mine... me in the t62a... so ya, people generally find the 4202 useless.
... and if you try to make a case for the Heat pen gen you are a slower leo 1 with less dpm, so thats an even worse idea.
jovial kernel
The FV4202 is the 121 but better
hoary sorrel
What
rancid flame
It’s faster than the Patton m, has better armor than the Leo, and the HESH pramo can own the sides and rears of most if not all t10 heavies and TDs
jovial kernel
And if you can get behind the enemy you get 3800 dpm with HESH
shut wigeon
I didnt sad game is very historical accurate. I sad fv4202 would be more historical accurate if it be tier 8.
prime walrus
"better armor than leo" is not an achievement... every med has more than 30 mm of side armor and 70 on the turret, it just so happens that the 4202 has more but still cant bounce anything... and its hesh only pens the sides like you said, so unless you flank hard and your heavies dont die, ur useless
jovial kernel
Or they could just have both tanks
prime walrus
9 / 10 games in blitz result in meds having to brawl heavies at some point. Rarely any games, do you win by sniping all game and having no contact... so out of the 2, no I would rather the AX
I dont even want my 4202 as a collector, I just want a free AX
shut wigeon
Ax would be much better for the tier x.
jovial kernel
Or just let people have a choice and don't try to force your opinion onto other people
prime walrus
WG do that all the time... if the choice is:
WG do nothing and
WG force everyone a free AX
Ill vote AX everyday
jovial kernel
Having both tanks would piss the least people off as you can still choose the FV4202 but if you want the AX you can choose that
I didn't see them remove the T-62A when the Obj. 140 was added, why remove the FV4202 when the AX is added?
main vine
I would prefer that ^
shut wigeon
fv4202 would be much more interesting in tier 8.
jovial kernel
Because if you balance them properly we can have two tanks that are similar but different enough to have their own niches.
prime walrus
Sure, I could compromise to that, but it would mean everyone would have to grind the AX from the 7/1 for another 250k or whatever... i would rather what they did in Wot PC
Which was to give make everyone grind the AX
Remove the 4202 from the game &&
Turn it into a tier 8 premium which you would receive if you had the 4202
thats a free prem vs a useless collector tank...
The 140 and T62a are as old as time, theres no reason to get rid of one or the other now.
When they made it, sure they probably could have deleted one... but they are different tanks now
jovial kernel
But that's because you like the AX, what if you liked the 4202?
main vine
I have no problem with grinding the 7/1 for the AX
shut wigeon
Also ax looks sexier then fv4202.
prime walrus
I also like both of the russians... if they said they were only keeping one I would pick t62a... but if they came along and said we are picking 140
Now choose. Keep t62a as a collector tank or
Turn t62a into a free tier 8 prem....
I would pick tier 8 prem all day every day.
Not a hard decision
shut wigeon
T62a wont be historical accurate if you drop it to tier 8.
prime walrus
It has nothing to do with my hate for the 4202, it has to do with getting a free tank vs keeping a tank that is being replaced in the game...
Same with the 183. I hope they replace it with the bagdger... and if they only agree to do that by making the 183 into a collector tank then fine...
But best case scenario would be if they removed the 183 from the game completely
unique scaffold
This game isnt historically accurate... @shut wigeon
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold I didnt sad it is.
unique scaffold
So it wouldnt matter
prime walrus
He was just pointing out the T62a wouldnt be more accurate if it was tier 8. Just a comment, no need to real him over it
shut wigeon
So loltractor in tier x is fine if it wouldnt matter? Lol.
@prime walrus You meant fv4202 right?
prime walrus
Sorry, i meant your comment on the t62a not being historically accurate if it was tier 8
rancid flame
T62a was not a contemporary of any of the tier 8 tanks in blitz (except the Centurion, but even then it was not a contemporary of the tier 8 Cent 1)
sharp wind
“Historically Accurate” is not the right term to be used. The correct term is “more balanced”
He doesn’t have enough brain cells to make a coherent sentence. Thus the use of “Historical accurate”.
prime walrus
Lets keep it civil.
shut wigeon
<@&481447501690568709> @sharp wind insulting me. Take a look there please.
ivory fractal
pls be civil in your discussions
quick lichen
Or take it to pm
chrome epoch
Now this is the good kind of moderation
chrome epoch
My dude look at your credits page
shut wigeon
I didnt understand why this guy insulted me here. I just sad fv would be more historical accurate and im right here. Its an experimental vehicle based on centurion and if ım not mistaken its development started at 1956. Tanks in tier 8 usually at that with few exception and fv4202 would fit just fine.
visual nimbus
Was the Locust nerfed any?
zealous stone
make the cupola's on the T95E2 and the 59 Patton like on M48 Patton
jovial kernel
If you care about historical accuracy then this is not the game for you
lone warren
I personally like the fv4202 anyway. Pretty satisfying when you max roll for 550 lol
jovial kernel
FV4202 and Centurion AX should be sibling tanks
main vine
^
I enjoy playing the FV4202, it’s like a leo that i can be slightly lazy with and not worry about getting HE’d all the time
uncut belfry
183 should be removed
dim field
The more people mention this tank, the more i want it.
solar oasis
They should add a Waffentrager auf E 100 lol
chrome epoch
Nah, it'll unbalance the FV 183 lol
drowsy plaza
@unique scaffold your Damage is nearly non existent. To make credits in the Blaze you need to be doing better than tier 2-5 Avg Dmg
jovial kernel
I mean the Blaze has always been trash
unique scaffold
Its fine
lone warren
lmao how do ypu expect to make credits when you barely hit 1k in 1/4 of those games
dim field
Hang more towards the back.
lapis shadow
If the Waffle E 100 really gets added to the game, the ways that I could of think of that could make the tank balanced enough is giving it a 2 shell al, decrease the camo rating etc
shut wigeon
wtf e100 doesnt have any camo rating already.
jovial kernel
ah yes because one clipping tier 10 heavies totally doesn't make up for no armor and bad camo
heady laurel
@lapis shadow Its been asked fpr and the answer has always been no.
Even for a 2 shot 640 alpha antoloader they said the reload would be over 22 to 25 seconds so a 3 shot 300-500 alpha gun makes the most sense.
There is a chance they might change their position on the 640 alpha autoloader
lapis shadow
blimey
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel In wot pc amx 50 100 can one clip any tier 8 tank. No one crying about it.
drowsy plaza
Don’t mistake WOT balance with Blitz Balance
lapis shadow
Not a 640 alpha al... far too much damage unless the Foch 155 somehow actually gets it
jovial kernel
Because that thing needs to face tier 10 tanks there
shut wigeon
If wt auf e100 comes to blitz it will have 460 alpha 3 shot autoloader. It wont able to one clip anything unless its very lucky.
lapis shadow
True
jovial kernel
Yeah a max roll 183 would hurt more than that
lapis shadow
^
jovial kernel
honestly why is the 183 in the game, even the FV4005 Stage II would be better balanced thanks to the crap turret armor that even tier tanks on PC can pen with HE
lapis shadow
True
Well apparently it was designed to be a SPG, probably why it has better armour, plus under the gun is like 200 mm thick or something
jovial kernel
it was meant to just shoot HESH and delete IS-3s from existence then they realized that they could just strap ATGMs to an armored car and call it a day
static gale
It was meant to be a autoloader
jovial kernel
yeah lol
sudden yoke
@static gale what is that tank called
jovial kernel
FV4005 Stage 1
unique scaffold
VK 30.01 D needs buff, and elite experience conversion needs to have selection of what tanks to take from bc the latest update caused newly necessary xp on tanks like the KV-2 and it automatically spends it...
Also, if they could add more power to the tanks they nerfed into the ground? Collector's vehicles have little or no power now...
jovial kernel
idk but KV-13 is alive and kicking
unique scaffold
That's one of the 4 I don't have
jovial kernel
KV-13, Sherman V, T-150, and Churchill GC are still very usable
unique scaffold
T67, Sherman Jumbo, KV-13, and wasn't T21 one of them? Make it 5, I don't have Gun Carrier either
jovial kernel
T21 and Jumbo I've heard are still good but I didn't get them in time, T67 is garbage now
unique scaffold
I needed xp for the ones I didn't grab, I had everything else, T-46 is okay, needs maybe 1-2 more shells and a slight damage and pen buff
jovial kernel
T-150 has terribad traverse now and bad DPM but still hilariously good
unique scaffold
Damage x1.4 ish would be fine to start in testing
T-150 has always been an armor beast imo, nerf that a bit if you wanna balance it lol
Chaffee is busted now, perfect tier 6 light tank imo
You might guess I'm a Cromwell player too, and I never progressed in American after tier 5, I'll probably love T49
jovial kernel
Kuro Mori Mine is also a broken tank
unique scaffold
I want a Kuro tbh, I want every GuP tank, those are highest on my list of desired premiums
shut wigeon
Lol i have all gup tanks.
unique scaffold
;-; WG, I will make money to pay you if you sell the bundle of all 3 with Ha-Go camo...
jovial kernel
Kuro is absolutely broken
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel Kuro isnt that broken. Its strong i accept that but its nowhere close to as op as drac or hrlsing.
unique scaffold
I want Helsing tbh, but not anywhere near the amount I want GuP tanks
jovial kernel
Kuro is an ez win tank
robust haven
I just want the Ha-Go Camo to cost gold, not as a bundle
unique scaffold
I want them for the novelty, idc about winning a wr, I want them bc GuP tanks
jovial kernel
Kuro is still a borken tonk
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel If kuro is op then vk 30 01p is op too. This thing has a bit worse hull armor but its much faster. Oh alo vk 30 01p has better gun handlings.
slender briar
T49 is a trash panda
unique scaffold
A racoon??
jovial kernel
I don't see the 30.01 (P) being completely red to tier 5 tanks
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel Did you ever faced with kv 220 t?
jovial kernel
Yeah but the Kuro has a gun capable of working
unique scaffold
VK 30.01 P is op at maximum modules, it sucks without engine
shut wigeon
Stock tanks doesnt suppose to be good anyway.
@tall ocean No go troll somewhere else.
unique scaffold
It needs max engine at least lol
tall ocean
It deleted my message cause my caps lock was on..
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold Every tank needs to be fully upgraded. Vk 30 01p is no exception for this.
tall ocean
IS 7 and 8 need a massive buff they are underused and under rated because how un armoured they are considering they beat back the germans in the battle of moscow
unique scaffold
I'm just saying the grind was only easy with the engine, the gun did not too much to change it
shut wigeon
Uhh no. 8.8 makes vk the vk.
@tall ocean clearly it doesnt have any armor.
tall ocean
It shows it does but in reality my IS 8 can do better against a IS 7
shut wigeon
@tall ocean Do you want to learn a tank that actually requires buff?
Its jg pz e100. Now want buff for it. Not is-7 or is-8.
tall ocean
e100 is already OP
shut wigeon
Jg pz e100 not e100. 😤
slender briar
@tall ocean the IS-8 made a huge impact at the battle of moscow
jovial kernel
Tankenstein is hilariously good
slender briar
I'd probably like it if it was on another platform than the Tiger P
jovial kernel
I like the Tiger (P) hull it often eats return fire while you shoot off 530 damage
tall ocean
Exactly @slender briar Wargaming needs to make the tank better/ make its armor better and its fire rate. it litterely takes 6-7 seconds to reload
wicked raven
Death toaster is op
unique scaffold
H
jovial kernel
F
true relic
Yes it is
ember thunder
D. Max is op
unique scaffold
SU100y is better
jovial kernel
No
small flame
@tall ocean are you dumb? the is8 and is7 never saw action. at all. especially during WW2
main vine
@tall ocean where in the world did you get the info that the is-8 and is-7 were even remotely involved in the battle of Moscow
unique scaffold
Lol...is7 in battle of moscow
Is this alternate timeline chat or are you just mistaken?
small flame
i thought dumb may have been too soft an insult for stupidity this severe
unique scaffold
I remember the good old days when they sent the IS-3 to fight in stalingrad
small flame
ahh yes. i do believe its greatest adversary was the E50M if im not mistaken, is that correct? @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
Nah, it was the jagdpanzer E100
main vine
Guys, we can’t forget the huge role leopard 1s had in the blitzkrieg
small flame
oh my lord youre so right. how foolish of us to forget. the leopard 1 was incredibly effective against the american t110e3s during the blitz through australia
unique scaffold
Shut up liar, the E 25 had a more important role
small flame
no! thats highly secretive information. those documents...they shouldve been kept secret!
but in all seriousness, i really want to see whatever article or video game made this guy believe that the IS7 and IS8 were used to defend moscow, espececially since the "IS-8" isnt even recognized under that name in russia.
small flame
have you tried hitting the target?
small flame
then perhaps the amount of ammo is a balancing factor, similar to the T-62A
late tiger
I agree but 40 shells that do 35 damage each is bs
visual nimbus
T7 Combat Car and Light VIC are the ones that really need their old selves back..
late tiger
True
small flame
maybe stop playing low tiers
late tiger
I want to master that tank!!!
visual nimbus
I only liked Combat Car for its .50 Cal barrage...I never really play low tiers Personally. unless I’m helping a new player or having a bit of fun every now and then..
small flame
good. then move up to higher tiers where the game is meant to be played
visual nimbus
You wake up on the wrong side of the bed m8?
keen star
I think so @visual nimbus😛
small flame
no, i just appreciate that the point of the game sint to skulk around in low tiers, but to move up and get better. hence why we had update 5.5
late tiger
I have battles in leo 1 and 1600 in VK28 but low tiers are fun and some need to get buffed
unique scaffold
5.5 has made me abuse new players
late tiger
Me too
visual nimbus
I totally agree with you...I’m just saying some of the low tier tanks like the Combat Car didn’t need to be nerfed that hard. Even though I (rarely) play it I sometimes like to send a rain of bullets down range..
late tiger
True but it one clipped tier1
visual nimbus
If you could get every shot in..but now tier 1 is removed...so that’s out the window
late tiger
Yes true
thick trellis
It was fine because i almost never saw tier 1s tier 2 games
late tiger
WHY IS SLOWMODE 45 sec now NOT 15. BALANCE!
visual nimbus
It keeps the room pretty chill in a way I guess.....
visual nimbus
A bit of patience never hurt 😉
jovial edge
It causes me physical pain to wait so I stay out of the chats. They said it was easier to moderate. It’s clear that they made it so long so few people would use the chat...
jovial kernel
I just add sentences to my messages with edit lol
jovial edge
Lol that’s avoiding the whole purpose and I wouldn’t be surprised if they muted you 💀
jovial kernel
Nah I've done it in front of mods
visual nimbus
Give the 0-47 a Japanese Crew!
delicate crypt
Balance me Pls UwU
inner dagger
Weeb
lone moth
pls nerf 7tier Halloween tank
wet quail
There's 4 tier 7 Halloween tanks 🤔
iron hearth
getting 30 masteries in a tank that very few people have isnt hard at all even a 40% can do it ,try to do the same on an is7 😂
sly locust
Is t illegal to do countdowns?
steady meteor
Nope unkidest's kid @sly locust
limpid elm
😂
steady meteor
😂
past elm
@steady meteorbhai
unique scaffold
Pleas buff the pen of t6 dracula to 200mm ^^
^^ laughing at you, not with you.
It was a joke dude T6 is much to op
like Helsing
i have 20 ace on 50 fights on t6 dracula
torn cliff
T6 is broken
visual nimbus
Nah, it’s balanced....
spark orchid
⚖
terse summit
WG pls give me better teams cuz my 39 day we is less than my career we
iron hearth
i contacted wg, now on you will get only 60% wr players in your team, thanks me later
barren bane
@terse summit
terse summit
Yes? I don’t have a lot of tanks Ik. I hate having a lot of tanks
barren bane
I too don't have luck with teams... A lot of trash animal players
sterile drift
@terse summit it might help if you finish your kills...
unique scaffold
unique scaffold
unballanced, and never will be
proven helm
True that
lapis shadow
I really think that the SU-100M1, SU-101 and SU-122-54 should get a armour buff
jovial kernel
I mean not to the extent that PC has buffed them though
Don't need a tank with 130mm of sloped armor that's as mobile as a medium tank at tier 7
lapis shadow
Unlike their Tier 10 brother Obj 263, they have like no armour anymore
Seems a bit off since they are built to be mobile TDs unlike the other TDs
jovial kernel
I'm not even kidding on PC the SU-100M1 has more frontal armor than the T-54 Mod 1
lapis shadow
But definitely not have armour like the Obj 268 V4... that tank was too op
astral plank
gravedigger: nerf the armour, buff the gun more dmg but nerf the reload...
indigo knot
Su12254 should be nerfed
halcyon wyvern
buff
indigo knot
Dpm nerf and gun depression to 6 deg buff.....dpm buff made it kind of op especially in tier 8 games
unique scaffold
yes
maiden rivet
The D2 reloads in 8 seconds, but why? I try to research the Sau 40 but it's so hard with long reload time and it causes just 50 damage per shot and the penetration in tier 4 is horrible! I can't penetrate the hetzer, matilda and amx 40 with apcr!! All low tier tanks totally nerfed!!
drowsy plaza
He said 54... the tier 9 tech tree, not the tier 7 Premium
valid gust
Tier 7 prem???
jovial kernel
Personally I think the Jagtiger, Tortoise, and SU-122-54 should all have the same DPM at about 300 less than the SU-122-54 has now
valid gust
Yeah, no.
jovial kernel
Why? They became sub par tanks the moment they decided to buff the SU-122-54 to highest dpm in the game, so I'd say the SU-122-54 should be nerfed down a bit, then the Jagtiger and Tortoise should be buffed up to match the nerfed version.
valid gust
JagdTiger is a bit OP in my opinion.
jovial kernel
not really
valid gust
I aced it like 6 times in defeats
jovial kernel
meaning people do badly in the tank
valid gust
Tortoise should get the same DPM at SU, but the JagTiger should be buffed in DPM a bit. Are you calling me bad? I have like 2600 average damage in it
jovial kernel
No, I'm saying the tank is bad. Being able to ace a tank on a loss more than once is a sign of a pretty bad tank, because on a loss you're still getting the top 1% of xp in the tank. That means people are doing badly in it.
jovial kernel
ok
quick lichen
@terse summit why don’t you, I don’t know, platoon with someone?
terse summit
@quick lichen tried that sir, but my mates are in platoons. Also, I still lose a significant amount of games.
jovial kernel
I can't believe that they're selling only balanced premiums in the shop as of now
shut wigeon
Su 122 54 is fine now. Yes dpm is beastly but tank has crappy gun depression and it has the worst tier 9 td gun. It clearly deserves best dpm in tier 9.
Also armor on this thing is not that great either.
On the other hand tortoise can use some armor buff. Its very easy to penetrate and very slow. Gun is not very amazing either.
jovial kernel
I mean it only has mobility and still decent pen that beats most tier 10 mediums
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel St emil has more dpm then sta-1.
delicate crypt
Balance me....... RIP*
visual nimbus
Dayum...
cloud dock
that's pretty much the only good thing about it though
fickle tinsel
@delicate crypt
grinded it from stock, have been averaging over 3k all today
forgot to refresh.. was a 75 wr 2600 wn7 with a 3.65 damage ratio and 3170 damage/battle when i logged off
and thats not even getting into the damage blocked...
60% survival too LOL
twilit crystal
it has good dpm mobility and armor. It lacks a bit of pen but and sniping ability but its on the move accuracy is fine its not super op but its a solid tonk
jovial kernel
What?
twilit crystal
sry read wrong for the su122 it was high up
dark salmon
is tier 8 vk good?
unique scaffold
Yes. Simple answer.
dark salmon
but the copula...
unique scaffold
Trolly af tho, you’d be surprised at how bouncy it is
rancid flame
The cupola on the t8 is very well armored. Tanks generally don’t shoot it, because anyone who needs pramo to shoot through it, will generally find somewhere else that greys up on your hull or turret instead
jovial kernel
Cupola literally has 208mm, make that 216-217 with the improved armor equipment
regal grove
need to spam prammo against the cupola
gaunt coyote
I don't speak russian so can someone explain the little text in the #devs-answers charts?
plucky acorn
@lusty silo will translated charts be released?
lusty silo
to be honest i thought everyone knew how to read those charts
i'll add an explaining note
@plucky acorn is it okay now?
plucky acorn
@lusty silo I can read them, but I remember last time I posted them somewhere and people were confused
coarse harness
How can i see the T-34-2 is definitely OP🤔
unique scaffold
Wth it’s fine
coarse harness
That tank is like a T-44, just worse in almost everything
unique scaffold
So it’s not overpowered
rancid flame
Not even close
atomic hound
@lusty silo any chance you can post those winrate charts in English so I can read what each line represents?
Oh, already been said, sorry
lusty silo
😉
valid gust
@lusty silo
Can we keep banners from Twister Cup?
Can @lean forge answer? He’s my fav Wargaming Staff...
Please @ me if someone replies. Thanks!
plucky acorn
@atomic hound I asked because I know some people have never seen those charts before 😉
@valid gust They said they're getting removed after the season. That might change, but there are rumors that something like them will be added in a future update.
iron hearth
Watching on armor inspector heat shells + cal of the type 62 should pen the front of a lowe but that in the game never happens why?;
With 275 you should easly pen it maybe is the caliber of the gun that doesnt allow it?
plucky acorn
@iron hearth aim at weak spots.
Lowes are easy to fight in my type 62. You're also in a light so you should be flanking.
iron hearth
Ik that i havr 65 wr on it so i know how to play it, i was just asking because its weird with 275 pen you are supposed to pen his upper plate
elfin mortar
did you check your angles when firing?
iron hearth
elfin mortar
that seems...wrong
shy wren
That’s a Type 62 HEAT round.
Tank’s not angled
sharp wind
It is quite simple to read the charts. You would have to have an IQ below 70 not to understand the charts. Bars correlate to win rate. Dotted lines are linear averages. And the irregular line is the avg dmg. That is literally a third grade skill one must have learned in order to understand a simple bar graph.
iron hearth
Even angled its green the upper plate so it should pen
elfin mortar
you also have to take into account the natural increased slope due to the fact that the type 62 is much shorter
jovial kernel
Still a reliable pen
shy wren
Add gun depression, it’s a bit tougher
elfin mortar
Well then, the only thing I can say is that you got unlucky lmao. You low-rolled your pen values since they have a 15% variable
jovial kernel
3.8 equipment system seems biased towards heavy tanks because most tanks get to either lessen their weaknesses or buff their advantages while heavies get to do both
tawdry moat
Just got hit with RNG thats what i can say.. it happens.. now if you bounce on a borsigs turret.. then we need to have a talk.
sharp wind
You hit the gun then the turret
torn furnace
According to the latest charts clearly OP premium tanks are: T-55A, AMX 49 and the Chinese FakeTank.
@lusty silo So are you going to nerf them?
Just not very fair to have these expensive P2W tanks as OP...
jovial kernel
Chinese FakeTank is OP, 49 and 55A are only owned by skilled players mostly
atomic hound
They're premium tanks, I'd forget it... Pity, because especially that Chinese one is utterly ridiculous. I won't hear that wg didn't know how good it would be, either, because look at the price they set for it.
20k gold, was it?
jovial kernel
idk
hard sapphire
It was 44 dollars for the chinese td
dark pike
stupidly overpowered
somber mauve
#howtomakeoverpoweredpremiumtanks
I am pretty sure once the skorpion G is included in the graph, it will look like the WZ120 1G ft
#stopoverpoweredpremiums
atomic hound
Yeah, it was obvious just looking at its stats it'd be broken
dark pike
i dont understand how the console wz 120-1g ft is decent but the blitz one was made gamebreaking
somber mauve
Begin rant
I am going to be honest, @lean forge the current testing method for premium tanks is useless unless you guys are building a fully "pay2win"game. I mean it. You guys are on the way to stop the bleed on new players leaving the game, but here you are releasing more overpowered premium tanks so old players can go "well, this game is pay2win now, time to quit". The game should not have premium tanks better than their standard tanks counterparts. But the stats in #devs-answers proofed completely otherwise. You guys are walking on the past of WoT, which made me hate that game in the first place. I like this game and want this game to be good. But the
developers keep defeating our expectations and not able to deliver the game we really enjoy for the past few update in terms of balance in
general. I quitted WoT just because of premium tanks being overpowered. I hope WoTB doesn't become the 2nd game I quit because of that. Fix it before it is too late. I mean it.
Rant over
torn furnace
Very wall said, Salty.
Along with non-random (=noob-protecting) match-making, these P2W OP premium tanks are my biggest concerns about this game, and its future. Please get rid of them.
austere saffron
@lusty silo Can you please translate the title to english? I do not understand russian (like most people here)... Sorry for mentioning u
atomic hound
@somber mauve another issue I would like to raise concerning this would be that even if you're prepared to get one of these tanks, they still ruin the tiers in which they reside. Tier 7 is utterly broken with the floods of overpowered tier 7s and 8s, so whenever you play a tech tree tank (especially stock) that is utterly powercreeped by these ever more powerful new premiums, you get stomped by some noob that has deeper pockets than you.
I'm personally prepared to pay towards this game, which is a hobby of mine, but it is being ever more ruined by floods of these tanks, and I'm not paying £150 for a tank, even if it is the latest in the line of overpowered tanks
atomic hound
I'd say it's high time wg put an end to their unwritten rule that they won't nerf premiums. That, or buff every tech tree tank up to the same level as the best ones from every tier, then never make an overpowered premium again. It isn't like wg hasn't made tanks that can be nerfed that you have to buy, see tier 9 and 10 enriched tanks, so including the 'this tank may be changed to keep game balance' footnote shouldn't be an issue. Since I doubt wg will ever nerf the premiums, and buffing everything else (like with the tier 7 heavies, except that wasn't enough, and heavies aren't the only ones that are worse than the prems) would take a lot of effort, I doubt this issue will ever be fixed, and while I really enjoy the game, I can easily see it being in the same state as the pc version a few years down the line.
gentle hill
WG please fix the Panzer 3
dim field
What is wrong with pz3?
devout flower
So be honest I’m quite upset with Wargaming’s update 5.5. I spent REAL MONEY on some of these low tier premiums. I list the ones I bought that got nerfed into the ground. T1e6, grobtracktor, m4a3e4, t14. I feel like Wargaming just slapped me in the face. I might as well have burnt all that money. All of it combined would have been $48. That’s a good sum of money. I feel hurt and thrown under the bus, once I found out about these changes I’ve vowed to never spend money on wotb again. Unless they fix my low tier premiums. I’ve put my foot down. Wargaming basically back stabbed me.
unique scaffold
lol
jade bluff
F
lusty silo
@austere saffron every title says "8th (9 or 10) tier, Average WR and damage among 55-65% players"
i guess the note above the charts explains everything
@valid gust they will be removed
but also we'll bring smth interesting instead
remote valley
what does the line represent and the bar represent? @lusty silo
lusty silo
@remote valley line is avr damage, bar - WR
remote valley
hmmm tht prob justified the need to buff isu-130
lusty silo
@remote valley it's getting a buff soon - after that we'll see how it performs
atomic hound
Looks like the type 61 could use a bit of a buff too. Maybe remove that huge hatch (it really stops the tank being able to poke ridges effectively). I was in the leo 1 this morning and managed to hit one in that hatch 4 times in a row over a ridge without taking anything in return, he couldn't back down enough to hide it, and I didn't have to expose anything to hit it.
remote valley
u can say the same for sta-1 ._.
atomic hound
Looking at the stats, the sta looks absolutely fine
unique scaffold
They nerfed paid low Tier premiums, BUT THE SAME TREATMENT DOESN'T APPLY TO KE NI OTSU. The excuse of it being premium doesn't stand any more. Coherence and WG are opposite terms. I never shopped, but now I have more motivation to NOT start doing it.
neon gyro
grave bear
is8 is very very fine
unique scaffold
Do the charts pay attention to the players paying the tanks? Or how much it is played? Because if i like a tank i play it more often and learn how to perform better with the tank.
Today I met a newbie with not even 1k battles and 2 Tier 10 and so few battles each tank it's impossible to have mastered them regularly. Shopping regulars some people LOL
remote valley
the number of battles played isnt showed @unique scaffold oni wr and avg dmg
sleek vault
tbh im never seen somebody using ISU-130 in match
that is really explain well why it's really low on the chart
modern rapids
@unique scaffold I'm not defending the Kenny being left and not nerfed. But i think it was the fact. So few people have this tank, it affects the lower tier alot less than the tanks that have been nerfed
quick lichen
The reason for the Keni otsu being left alone was the sheer amount of forum threads and complaints
My guess at least
fringe summit
Why the deathstar should be removed
That Deathstar shot me so hard, that one fire extinghuiser wasn’t enough
hidden scaffold
This is actually one of my most frustrating points regarding the Death Star
atomic hound
Don't sit spotted in the line of fire of an obvious position for one then.
hidden scaffold
There was a massive backlash before the Grille line was added over the question of the WT E-100. The argument that was used against it and led to it being replaced by the game was that it was simply broken. But is the 183 not the exact same thing in terms of how it’s affected tier X
atomic hound
Hmm. The 183 won't one shot (or clip) any tank in the game like the wt
coarse harness
Not always🙄 😅
hidden scaffold
The 183 is responsible for TD meta, has slowed down tier X Gameplay in the exact same way the WT E-100 would. Even if it doesn’t 1 shot tier Xs, it still makes you completely ineffective for the rest of the match
fringe summit
I rather face a WTF E-100, because he kills me in 5s, not in 0.1s like the DeathStar
hidden scaffold
It’s a lot easier to kill a WT than it is to kill a 183
atomic hound
If I was to rework the 183, I would reduce its accuracy down to like 0.55 to make camping pointless, but allow it bloom low enough to hit tanks from close-low mid range fairly reliably. Turn the tank into a very effective shot trader rather than a camper. Maybe buff the armour to the point where it can bounce a shot or two aimed in haste, and nerf the traverse.
hidden scaffold
That might just be the worst suggestion I’ve heard on fixing the 183
atomic hound
Lol, I'm no developer. The problem people have with it is the camping, so take that away without making it unusable
coarse harness
You just almost described the tank before the ,,nerf"
somber mauve
Players who play the 183 or keni otsu or overpowered premium tanks, their opinion should not matter at all. 🙃
hidden scaffold
First of all you leave the hesh the same while buffing armor, meaning anything less than a heavy tank is going to get screwed over. Second, higher AP pen means that super heavies can no longer attempt to push or trade off with a 183 since the armor is already pushed to the limit trying to bounce AP currently
atomic hound
Maybe it doesn't need the pen then, or indeed the hesh. The pen isn't good enough ATM to just aim centre mass on most tier 10 heavies, which is what I was going for, you can't aim for weakspots with terrible accuracy. The tank still needs a long reload time to allow it to be pushed on.
coarse harness
The 183 is a slow TD with paper like armor. 90% of the battles it sits on the most obvious camp spots.
atomic hound
I'm probably speaking out of my arse with all of this, I accept that. The issue is that you can camp in just about anything if it has the accuracy (some people do it in tanks that don't too, but hey)
short ginkgo
Paper like armour, yeah no. I’ve bounced more shots off a 183 than anything
hidden scaffold
If anything, either the AP or HESH pen needs to be nerfed to mitigate the problem of being able to counter any tank that tries pushing. Either give it good AP and terrible hesh so that you can deal easily with heavies but can’t survive being rushed. Or you nerf AP so that heavy tanks have a chance of pushing without instantly losing 1/2 to 1/3 of their HP
atomic hound
Let's be honest though, you can still camp to great success in a 183 without the hesh, so I don't think removing it would fix the issue
willow junco
Just give us 1500 Hesh dmg
drowsy plaza
They need to nerf the HESH pen - that would help the game significantly.
atomic hound
I heard an interesting idea from sk8 about removing the AP completely, but increasing the HE damage
iron tartan
Pls don't remove 183
drowsy plaza
Awful idea IMHO as it would totally wreck Meds worse and heavies would be able to yolo it -
fringe summit
There is one good way to fix the 183: remove the HESH, 220 pen and 1300 alpha is tooooo goood
atomic hound
You mean 240 pen right. Everyone uses calibrated shells
keen lily
pls just please balance the randomness of match maker because gosh i lost 20 battles in a row not even a single win and because of that not only my maus winrate is 0% after 9 battles but also lost 0.12% winrate
hidden scaffold
Honestly the best start to fixing the whole thing is nerfing the camo rating. It’s the size of a barn, you should be able to see it from half the map away
willow junco
If u cant afford 183 , just shut ur mouth
fringe summit
Like wtf, Grille 15 has worse camo than 183?!
keen lily
Gg physics xd
atomic hound
@hidden scaffold look at the grille, but people still camp in it. Nerfing camo will just push people further into the corners, imho
shrewd spear
Nerf the dispersion then
atomic hound
That's what I said.
hidden scaffold
My personal opinion involves removing it completely but I’m trying to work with a more neutral solution because I understand it’s a fun tank.
coarse harness
Is this a serious question ?
iron tartan
Why so much hate on the 183????
willow junco
183 should stay in game . It can hold yolo meds back
atomic hound
@hidden scaffold I get a good laugh from people suggesting introducing the fv4005 as a replacement, like they want that 183mm gun with better gun handling and reload lol
drowsy plaza
@willow junco it doesn’t. 1) The 183 really doesn’t affect a good medium player much. 2) It doesn’t stop the bad ones.
willow junco
One hesh solves the problem
coarse harness
Then the DPM solves the 183😉
drowsy plaza
Ever wonder why the 183 has such a low WR? Because for most of its players most of it’s damage comes late game and is useless, not affecting the game at all.
atomic hound
^^^^^^
hidden scaffold
I think it might be helpful to look at the reasons the 183 dominates tier X while the other high alpha TD, the Jgpz, is basically garbage. Those reasons being non-reliance on armor, hesh, and camo
iron tartan
@drowsy plaza
It does stop yoloing batchats and loepards
willow junco
For me most broken tier 10 is IS-4
somber mauve
@willow junco no u
If you don't know how to deal with an IS-4, then you are obviously not good enough imo.
atomic hound
Just because the camo is better than the grille, doesn't mean it's good. You'll still be shot by invisible mediums
drowsy plaza
@iron tartan most of the yolo’s are bad players who never learned to play. They learned the game from watching Seal Clubbers yolo in low tier OP tanks -
atomic hound
Let's be honest though, if a leo yolos at tier ten, it's gonna die instantly whether there is a 183 or not.
willow junco
Is4 is better than most heavies , Low profile , accurate gun , high HP , small weakpoint , extremely good armored
iron tartan
@drowsy plaza
😂😂😂 shouldnt they be punished?
somber mauve
@iron tartan sealclubbers already got heavily punished by having all of their "babies" removed
drowsy plaza
I don’t have an issue with tanks getting punished for stupidity. My biggest issue with the 183 relate to its camo. Quite often it can remain undetected even from a STB or Patton after firing. Granted it’s usually pretty easy to guess where they will be - frankly the 183 is annoying but doesn’t overly affect me even in my tier X meds
atomic hound
I reckon it would be nice if they could just swap the camo values of the 183 and grille
iron tartan
Personally I hated the 183, I just couldnt take another hit from them, so
I got myself a 183 instead
Now I fell better.
Feel*
drowsy plaza
Nerf the HESH pen - easy solution. CS overly broke the tank. Frankly the other option is give meds the +10% pre 3.8 rammer back
atomic hound
I don't see how giving meds and extra 3% ROF would help stop the 183.
iron tartan
But I like the idea of 10% rammer regardless of stopping the 183
I miss my 5 second reload on my obj 140 and 62a
hidden scaffold
I just want heavy spall liner back
drowsy plaza
Maus w’ Spall liner...
hidden scaffold
It’s extremely frustrating when I have no counter to HE spam while I sidescrape
willow junco
No one was using it , so it removed
drowsy plaza
Just like binos 🙄
willow junco
iron tartan
@drowsy plaza
Removing binos just broke some tanks man,
Especially paper tds
willow junco
Hmm. E50m is having good times , i see
atomic hound
You mean it fixed them lol. Most of the paper TDs are really good.
iron tartan
@atomic hound
Hmm
atomic hound
Borsig is great, wt auf pz 4 is great, grille is good, nashorn is nice, not sure about the Emil after all the buffs, it was ok even before them, if frustrating. The toaster at tier 5 was terrible, but hey, nobody has to drive that anymore.
rancid flame
I loved my toaster, lol
drowsy plaza
Clearly the STB and M60 need a buff. 😎
halcyon wyvern
😱 😱
rancid flame
I’d be happy with that
halcyon wyvern
toaster was the best
iron tartan
@rancid flame
😂 😂 😂 funny story
When I started this game, I saw this 1 guy ( toaster) at the start if the battle pointing hus gun towards the sky, i was shocked to see that🤔🤔 for a moment i thouht there was artillery in this game too
😂😂😂
Good times
rancid flame
Lol
atomic hound
The real thing was AA, so they gave it 90° gun elevation
rancid flame
I basically ground through the Toaster and then free XP’d through the Nashorn and St Emil and ground up through the rest of the line
atomic hound
The nashorn was great! That gun is really, really nice.
rancid flame
I’ve been playing against it a lot recently and I can most certainly agree. Not exactly JgPz IV level, but really good
iron tartan
The stug is really fast wow, I forgot how good that tank was
atomic hound
It does have that pen advantage over the jgpz, and the DPM is still very good too
I've not played the jgpz IV in years, it was my first tier 6, and I sucked lol.
rancid flame
Dude, it was my third tier 6 and I was unicum in it, lol. That was way back when before it got nerfed
atomic hound
I played it in +2/-2, and I was super bad back then
Try penning an is6 with that lol
rancid flame
I basically just went aggressive hunter killer in it. Drive around, find enemy, sit in front of enemy, hit Adrenaline for like 3500 dpm and burn them to the ground while they tried to circle me and my 60 degrees of traverse
drowsy plaza
So basically you only played it recently
rancid flame
Ehh, I played it pre 3.4
And, just saying, not recently. The traverse nerf happened a long time ago now
drowsy plaza
But the DPM buff was rather recent. Well after we lost +/-2
rancid flame
What exactly is your definition of recent? If it’s within 2 years, then, yeah, a lot of stuff in the game is recent, lol
harsh oriole
can the v39 please get a buff
silk egret
I think the t55A needs a buff. At least an armor buff or something. The armor loss from t 54 to t55A isn’t worth the small gun advantages you get with the t55A
drowsy plaza
Lol
fossil crag
Meanwhile, has the best average stats.
drowsy plaza
T 55A is a great tank - you shouldn’t be trying to use the armor on a med. it’s got the best gun combo from the T-55 options - DPM and Pen
silk egret
T55A only has good stats bc unicum Play it
fossil crag
Yes, the whole chart is based off unicums, and somehow they all do better in T-55A than any other Tier 9 medium.
silk egret
Well it cost 90$ so I’d imagine few ppl bought the tank
drowsy plaza
Keep in mind the player base of the T 55A is limited. So it’s skewed by the folks who own it. WG balance number consider ALL 55-65% players for the region. Tech tree tanks get skewed sometimes from that
silk egret
So no new buffs are gonna be made to the t55A?
drowsy plaza
Why?
silk egret
It’s just that for 90$ we are paying for a tank that already exists but with slightly better gun stats and worse armor
spring pelican
E50M nerf incoming
btw look at 183, it needs a little buff tbh. Maybe nerf something and buff something
unique scaffold
183 buff? It would be OP.
183 is fine currently
spring pelican
I said to nerf something and buff something, look at avg wr
harsh oriole
nobody gonna look at ARL v39?
ebon falcon
I hope they gonna nerf that new VK
fossil crag
The Tier 8 or 10?
ebon falcon
Tier 10, VK 72.01 K
fossil crag
If you're going to complain about the 72 01 K, and act like IS-4 doesn't exist...there are issues. 😂
ebon falcon
they should change it's stock gun, and make it 63k like it's in E 100 I thinkww
atomic hound
@ebon falcon it isn't that good though.
unique scaffold
VK 72.01 K is fine. It can’t even sidescrape
fossil crag
IS-4 has better armor, better mobility, more DPM, can actually sidescrape, do I need to continue? 🤔
unique scaffold
Yes c’mon
ebon falcon
Cannot really say it's not that good. Seeing it in battles each game and it really seems so op with that gun, destroying everything around without any problems, thats actually what I've noticed
unique scaffold
New tank. Ppl don’t know how to play against it. Will be fixed soon without nerf I think, it has plenty of weakspots
dim field
Isu-152 from above
ebon falcon
it really has, but all I do is ricochet so, Just assuming it might be a bit OP
unique scaffold
What else?
ebon falcon
I know about these, mostly got ricochets while shooting into a turret
unique scaffold
Wat tank u playin
iron hearth
lower plate use heat= gg
ebon falcon
I'm playing with my E 100, sometimes it pens with a gold ammo
hidden scaffold
Honestly just play against it more and it’ll be fine. I got my ass kicked the first time I fought it but once I found the weak spots it’s just a weirdly shaped E-100. Turret ring is very weak during face hug, and the side bulge is pennable as it sidescrapes
ebon falcon
Okay @hidden scaffold , I'll test it all out
hidden scaffold
I think it’s important to wait it out and let the general player base figure out how to deal with it before calling it OP. It’s been in the game for 2 weeks, only a small number of people have it and most of those are Unicums with extra free XP or noobs that bought it.
ebon falcon
Haven't thought about it actually.. Thanks for reminding me that bruv
graceful ravine
why did the chaffee get nerfed again when it got uptiered ? wg ? it should go at the same speed it goes at in pc 70km/h like seriously
indigo knot
@hidden scaffold i guess you are loving the the new maus line ......The maus magician
summer notch
fickle tinsel
that side spot is like 500 mm+ from the front
it basically requires gold on the front hull
hidden scaffold
@indigo knot its gonna take serious motivation for me to grind the Tiger P again to even get the two new ones
But I’ve heard they’re performing well so I’ll consider it
devout flower
Is there any way I’d be able to get my money back for my low tier premiums that got nerf into oblivion? Or is that just stupid of me to think?
crimson cosmos
You can sell them for gold, but not cash.
devout flower
Oh well I guess I’ll just sell them for gold and get some of those tier 8s in the store on Black Friday
dense cedar
For anyone who understands the Russian; the weakest tier 8 heavy on the graph, is that the is-2sh?
unique fulcrum
@hidden scaffold you’ll like them I’m sure of it... the VK tier 8 turns like a med.,..
jovial kernel
they said 3 per team tho
wet quail
if there is 8k people online yes, anything below that then no
ripe rampart
Btw all of the 3 kv2 had derp gun
Soo yeah we got raaaaappppeeeeeeee lost... Rl rl bad we didnt even had a chance
iron hearth
Im the only who thinks the german m41 needs a buff it feels underpowered or thats only me?
jovial kernel
It's a slower RU with more gun depression so eh
main vine
It has 8 degrees all around whereas the RU has 10 over the front and maybe sides, and i think -1 depression over the back @jovial kernel
jovial kernel
huh idk then
marble eagle
But it has a higher alpha
main vine
jovial kernel
so the bulldog gets better acceleration huh
unique scaffold
Hard to like the game
jovial kernel
Ouch
unique scaffold
Lol
atomic hound
@main vine ru has 5 degrees over the front, 10 over the sides, not sure about the back but it isn't great.
regal grove
@unique scaffold what am I looking at
jovial kernel
VK 100.01 is pretty balanced but they should make the cupola 200mm thick not 208
harsh oriole
arl v39 is not that bad when fully upgraded,but its still the worst TD in the game
true relic
RU has like 0 or 1 degrees over back @atomic hound
grave bear
think it's 0 degrees
deep sequoia
3 scavengers on my team
severe valve
6 48%ers
drowsy plaza
Scavenger is a decently capable tier 5 tank. You had a Light, 3 Meds a Heavy and 2 tds - what’s wrong ?
cloud dock
clanless usually means noob at that tier
drowsy plaza
@cloud dock it’s tier 5...
cloud dock
even more noob than usual*
drowsy plaza
Fair point.
tulip harness
Can the coupola on the Chieftain/T95 be removed?
jovial kernel
Meh, the tank is mobile enough to not get hit if you wiggle
Also, lower the bloody Grave Digger's recoil so it's possible to actually hit the weak spots.
Weaken the VK 100.01 (P)'s cupola from 208mm to 200mm.
dreamy rapids
I would like for the tier 8 wz td reload to be increased a who sec to help to the absolute burn it has the armor but it's a premium
winged barn
Nerf a premium. Then nerf all other premium out of existence. No thank you
brittle river
Would be glad if WG nerfs scavenger which is over powered for its class and rank
devout wigeon
I would talk about the balances.... but the charts are all in boolah boolah russian
hidden scaffold
Increase the number of complaints allowed for MH. Make them refresh after every game, and add a button at the top of the team list to report all players for inactivity/unsporting. Current system has led to all of these players being considered “impeccable”
visual nimbus
I can see that button being abused by players who can’t control themselves lol
hidden solstice
Yes That should NOT be added
ember thunder
@cloud dock oi clanless does not always mean it is a noob
tulip harness
There should be more compliments. Make blitz less negative. There is a lot of hatred going around. I got called a noob because I won a 1v3 in a Skorpion in a standard battle. Just trying to make the game more positive
tulip harness
More upvotes. Make blitz a more upbeat place with more compliments
charred narwhal
You realize almost no one uses them and the only time I ever get them is when my platoon mate upvotes me in return for one back.
tulip harness
Wow. Thats sad
I use them a lot and try to make Blitz a better and more positive place
spark frigate
Zero Gravedigger vs Two Gravediggers... plz One vs One!
0vs2 → 1vs1
unique scaffold
bleak oar
shy wren
That’s just unlucky. I have those streaks multiple times.
modern fern
About those graphs in #devs-answers
If every tank’s WR is over 50 then who’s losing?
shy wren
Prolly taken from players between 55-65% wr @modern fern
sonic scroll
The MBT-70 is underpowerd. I don't think its fair for players to wait 16 seconds to have a chance to hit 400ish damage. Make the reload time faster.
keen lily
omfg please fix match maker
jovial kernel
Fix your skills
sonic scroll
I swear there are bots among us in random battles.
WG's way to lower your winrate. Please fix this.
unique scaffold
Just made 5 battles with 183, no less than 2k damage in my worst battle, and fools with Maus or IS 7 who can't properly use them who stay still until they get killed... Some players...
brittle river
How do you define that the matchmaking is working well? Because its always a matter of win or lose.
Instead of just blaming the players to fix skills, one must understand the player population cannot just comtain only skilled playes. There are learners also. And if the game is making changes in tech tree to welcome new players, then matchmaking logic should also take care of new players based on their relatively low skills
north marten
a
pale cosmos
How
A lot of people play 30k battle. Then create another acc to reroll. You can’t count them as new players
thin kraken
Gravedigger, 2400 credits for 75 dmg average. where the fu ck is balance?
somber mauve
premium (gold) shells?
somber mauve
and apparently it's not the driver of the tanks' fault, right? completely nothing to do with the owner, it's the teams..... blah blah blah
unique scaffold
Its possible in wot 😂
somber mauve
I've heard that too many times to know what they are about to say or thinking 😂