Tier 5
#tank-balance-discussion
pallid pier
limpid elm
@pallid pier Will you mind stating why?
limpid elm
@pallid pier Do you play one?
lone warren
its easy to counter
pallid pier
Nooo
limpid elm
What tank were you playing in when you faced the leopard? @pallid pier
pallid pier
300 dmg
lone warren
The leopards pen isnt that good...
limpid elm
@pallid pier What tank were you driving when you faced the leopard?
shy wren
It’s 90 something pen. It’s good enough to pen most tanks despite the low pen figures.
You just need to know where the weakspots are
limpid elm
Namely the sides of tanks or the back.
shy wren
You’ll struggle against the Kuro, Churchills and the ATs, but everything else is fair game, really.
limpid elm
Just focus the light tanks, medium tanks and lightly armoured tank destroyers.
shy wren
That’s true. 90mm of pen is still enough for tier VIs IMO
70 is not, unfortunately for the 5cm
limpid elm
70 is not enough. You are right. @shy wren
strong depot
balance this🚭
shy wren
If full health, Bat Chat doesn’t die, just a huge flogging.
Unless if it’s an ammorack
remote valley
but the batchat was sent into a world of pain XD
shy wren
If it still can flank, it’s still a huge threat
remote valley
true...
marble eagle
@shy wren or a fire
shy wren
@marble eagle countered by fire extinguisher
ember thunder
1 HP
shy wren
Was talking about situation when you’re full HP, theoretically
unique scaffold
Well amx 13 90 shouldn't be able to pen t9 heavies frontally, thats why its so mobile
"mobile".
swift sparrow
🙄
shy wren
Tank’s not THAT mobile. It can circle, but it lacks in acceleration and too end speed to the other tier VIIIs
unique scaffold
Dude i played it, mobility's just fine
It's a late game assassin. Not a super mobile scout like the LTTB
Its enough
shy wren
It’s mobile enough to do the job. It’s not over the top
But just not as mobile as the other LTs of Tier VIII
unique scaffold
If I was going to do anything with light tanks this is what I'd do
Bulldog. Leave it alone
Lttb. Give it some pen back
AMX 13/75/90. Slight mobility buff, shorter interclip reload, and possibly improved gun handling.
T49. Non premium HE round and slight HE pen boost.
SP 1C... I don't even know where to start on this one. Obviously Wargaming hates it. It's gun needs much love.
T-54 ltwt. Nothing. It's perfect
RU251. Nothing. It's perfect.
tepid gorge
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remote oriole
I like how there's not a single nerf mentioned
unique scaffold
Because none of them need to be nerfed.
remote oriole
I'd rather say that multiple heavies should get reduced mobility, which would solve most problems mediums and lights encounter
Because the point in mediums is kind of not existent when you got something with almost as good mobility, way better armour, way better pen and higher alpha
stoic pebble
Which heavies? And what is your definition of the point of a medium?
remote oriole
The point in having mediums, i.e. the reason why you would play a medium and almost all heavies
unique scaffold
Heavies should lose the ability to mount optics as equipment.
stoic pebble
and what do they get in return? Spall liner?
unique scaffold
Honestly a return to the pre 3.8 equipment would go a long way in fixing the balance issues that the equipment changes forced on us.
remote oriole
Well, you could make certain equipment slots available for certain classes only, because that would reduce the advantages of a fully upgraded tank and also balance the classes better, by giving each a more individual advantage
unique scaffold
Just bring back the same system PC and console use. It's far superior to this dumb nine slot system.
stoic pebble
I haven't found any problems with equipment thus far - they've really only made it more comfortable to play tanks that used to have certain disadvantages. Is there really a serious balance issue related to equipment?
remote oriole
Yes, absolutely. It makes all tanks allrounders, which destroys the possibility for inferior tanks to capitalise on disadvantages of certain vehicles; Such a equipment system demands perfect balance
fast cave
This topic should all be about removing or nerfing like hell 183. This tank is a spit to the face of every player. Any spawn camping idiot can make 5k damage in it where making 5k dmg is requiring skills in any other tanks. Just a disgrace.
remote oriole
@fast cave While I wouldn't word it as strongly as you did, I completely agree
unique scaffold
Yes. Take the KV-2 for example. Prior to 3.8 it was balanced. Post 3.8 it can mount optics, vertical stabilizer, improved armor, improved traverse, and calibrated shells.
Meanwhile a tank like the Easy 8 took a hit to it's rof by losing vents and having the rammer neutered. Also the Easy 8 was one of a handful of tanks that should be able to mount a vertical stabilizer at tier VI... After 3.8 every tank could.
WG has done a lot of questionable things but I absolutely despise the equipment system that 3.8 brought to the game.
stoic pebble
How do you expect them to remove it then? Give everyone a full refund of credits they spent on equipment?
fast cave
Nerfing it like hell will result like removing it
unique scaffold
just remove 183. that tank is so unbalanced
@fast cave. I don't see the 183 as a problem. It's the number of them being played that is the issue. Personally I think the tank should be far more expensive to run. That would cut back on the number being played.
halcyon wyvern
183 OP nerf
remote oriole
@unique scaffold I hoped that it would give vehicles a higher degree of specialisation, making the gameplay more various. Unfortunately, the opposite happened, and now we have a heavy meta filled with allrounders
stoic pebble
Or wg could replace the 183 with the 4005 and let everyone HE it?
halcyon wyvern
The HESH didnt even pen my E100 and it did 850 wtf, thats the same as AP
molten helm
Ach hallo @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
@stoic pebble they will never do it. Getting them to backtrack on spare parts was basically a miracle. But yes, ideally I'd like a full credit refund on equipment and a return to the 3 slot system we had prior to 3.8.
@remote oriole. I agree. Players spam heavy tanks and TD's now. Good medium and light drivers are in very short supply.
fast cave
183 is a troll tank. At tier X you expect things to be more about skills and teamplay than derp and campers. So I see it like a problem. Like serving a Big Mac in a gastronomie fancy restaurant.
molten helm
Jes @unique scaffold
remote oriole
@unique scaffold Limiting the available slots for certain classes should do the trick, and give every tank a role on the battlefield. Heavies for example shouldn't turn any quicker, but be able to enhance their armour and penetration. Mediums should get to decide about gun handling and mobility, lights abut spotting and camo and TDs about repair and accuracy
stoic pebble
I felt like spare parts wasn't the main issue but the timers. Or maybe it was just me. I hate having to grind another million and a half credits to get a vehicle up to speed, and I wasn't really ever in a short supply of parts.
unique scaffold
Look at the PC or Console system. It is far superior to the 9 slot system we have.
molten helm
Is here sb. Who can teach me a little bit (EU server)
unique scaffold
Sorry man, I'm a NA player.
covert snow
:v
rough scroll
@fast cave tier 10 is not ruined by 183’s but by unskilled players. Sure 183s camp but so do 40%ers in STBs and IS7s.
granite dock
Most destroyers camp/snipe.....right?
fast cave
@rough scroll Except that 40% can do nothing in stb and basically any tank.... while they can ruin my game in 183 just by camping at spawn
slender briar
1 shotting tier 9s isn't really balanced
rough scroll
You need to be aware of where they are or could be but I don’t worry that much about them.
marble eagle
I hated the amx 13 90, but loved the 75
slender briar
They could be anywhere on this 600m² map, so I'll just wait for it to be spotted since it has an unreasonably high camouflage
remote oriole
Yeah, the 183 ruins any game where anyone tries to bring some motion in. Basically another med and light killer. The entire game seems to focus on heavies or derpy camping TDs. A development which is caused both by the equipment and the medium nerf, and the worst part is that Blitz was always a quick paced game, and now it's all very static, with limited positions, and so called "punishing" (derp in your face) whenever you make a move...
I am hoping for a mobility nerf for the heavies, a penetration nerf for derp guns and a clear relation between caliber (alpha) and dpm
ember plinth
Why tf is "fart" censored in the game..
chrome epoch
Idk
ember plinth
It's not offensive or abusive :/
lapis shadow
The only way I can think of to stop the 183 to be in the game is either nerfing it or remove it from the tech tree into a Collective tank and and have the Badger to replace it
chrome epoch
How about make the reload way longer
ember plinth
oh noooo please nooo... at least not until i get it
lapis shadow
Reload is long enough
chrome epoch
Or make it an SPG
junior tulip
@ember plinth "T-shirt" is censored as well.
lapis shadow
Weirdly I manage to get the reload on the 183 down to 18.5 seconds lol
chrome epoch
Wow, Fancy-pants
slender briar
Dispersion to base . 42 with a 6 second aimtime. Armor nerfed by half. Double terrain resistance, half camo
lapis shadow
I believe that’s the lowest you can get for the reload on the 183
chrome epoch
Why is slowmode 45 seconds in this channel?
granite dock
Who knows
lapis shadow
I have no idea, might due to spam that could happen
slender briar
And after those changes have been released, a temporary 100% refund on credits if it's sold.
junior tulip
Why do you talk more than once in a minute?
granite dock
Like something that happened in general huh @lapis shadow?
slender briar
Because I have thoughts more often than once per minute. Which doesn't seem to be a problem for all of us.
lapis shadow
I think so yeah...
slender briar
How to fix 183:
Dispersion to base . 42 with a 6 second aimtime. Armor nerfed by half. Double terrain resistance, half camo
And after those changes have been released, a temporary 100% refund on credits if it's sold.
Then make all remaining 183s collectible and add the badger, using the 183s crew
lapis shadow
I don’t think it needs a armour nerf, almost all Tier 9s and 10 can pen it by the front
slender briar
Not with HE. And rebalancing it isn't exactly The point of the nerfs. Its so people sell it, so there's no outcry about switching it for the badger in phase 3
lapis shadow
True
granite dock
Doent the game say it can pen ANYthing with he?
lapis shadow
That’s just the HESH
granite dock
waits 45 seconds
Or doesnt ricochet?
stoic pebble
fix the 183 by replacing it with the pre-buff WoT PC 4005. This works since now everyone can HE it in the face.
slender briar
I'll allow it
lapis shadow
The 4005 definitely would not fit with the line...
chrome epoch
HESH can't ricochet, it's literally plastic explosive that sticks to tanks and is remotely detonated.
stoic pebble
yes, but the badger would be broken, especially on mines
slender briar
The 183 is a really good fit for the line. -_-
lapis shadow
True because of that armour
chrome epoch
HESH does damage through spalling instead of actual penetration.
torpid tiger
I wanna ask a real important question... Is war gaming ever gonna remove the armour indicators in blitz? Cuz that's a real important thing about balance in the game
queen hemlock
I don't think it will be removed. Blitz is a mobile game and without hit skins it would require a far steeper learning curve @torpid tiger
olive arch
@remote oriole did you really suggest a mobility nerf for heavies?
remote oriole
@olive arch Is this even a question? 19:33 if you want to check it...
iron hearth
armour indicators removes the abuse of premium shells and that is a good thing in my opinion
remote oriole
Armour indicator gives everyone a chance to penetrate. This is a game for casual players too
iron hearth
without people would spam gold no stop like wot pc
olive arch
why would you want to make the slowest tanks in the game even slower. I already have trouble keeping up with my team in my heavy tanks now, if they nerf heavy tank mobility I won’t be able to keep up with my team @remote oriole
remote oriole
@olive arch 1. Most teams consists of heavies and tds; 2. Most heavies drive easily 30 kph; 3. You're not supposed to go flanking with mediums anyways
olive arch
@remote oriole we are talking about blitz right? Because I don’t play PC
remote oriole
Yes
chrome epoch
Yep
olive arch
we really shouldn’t nerf heavy tank mobility
chrome epoch
^^
remote oriole
Speed limits of American heavies: T29: 35, T32: 35, M103: 34, T110E5: 37, T57 Heavy: 35
olive arch
I use German heavies
slender briar
How unfortunate
olive arch
plus those American heavy tanks have practically no armor
smoky yoke
It's all about reaching the battle before your team dies
remote oriole
Tiger: 44, Tiger II: 38, E75: 40, E100: 30, Tiger (P): 35, VK A: 38, VK B: 30, Maus: 25
It's a matter of fact that at least concerning speed limits heavies usually exceed 30 kph
slender briar
M103 has no armor, but the other three are really solid.
olive arch
on paper their speeds are above 30 but in practice it’s quite different
slender briar
So nerfing the speed limit won't have any affect?
olive arch
I’m saying they don’t often reach those speeds in battle
trail veldt
well in the real world heavies were very bad at crossing basically alot of terrain as well
remote oriole
Mediums feature around 50 kph max speed. And top speed is important for the acceleration
trail veldt
take into consideration no comander wanted the maus during world war 2 that should say somthing
remote oriole
The problem is that most heavies can without any problem hunt average medium tanks, and get into medium positions. I claim that there's nothing a medium can do which a heavy tank couldn't also do, and most of the time better
smoky yoke
Are they nerfing mobility of heavy tanks?
slender briar
No, but they should
olive arch
they shouldn’t
trail veldt
i say depends on the weight of the heavy
remote oriole
@smoky yoke Nope, it's just me demanding it
olive arch
heavies are slow enough as it is
slender briar
IS7
smoky yoke
Why should heavies be nerfed? Heavies are already lagging behind meds. Meds right now have a better chance of carrying a game than heavies .
remote oriole
@smoky yoke Check the average winrates, and you'll find yourself wrong
smoky yoke
Don't include premiums into the matter
remote oriole
I don't
trail veldt
wargaming is making way to many premiums rn
slender briar
Also premiums need to be nerfed down to just below their tech tree counterparts level. Lowe should be worse than tiger 2, t34 worse than t32, and is5 else than is3
trail veldt
yeah so the new people who come on and spend money dont get the advantages the players actually playing get going up the tech tree
smoky yoke
Premiums can't be changed unless they want to loss their player base who actually spends money on the game.
slender briar
Ok, tech tree tanks need to be buffed
trail veldt
yeah i know but maybe at least limite the premuims alowwed to be bought after a certain number of battles
like for instance some newbie can go buy the new tier 9 and play it net even playing to a tier 2 or 3 not knowing what hes doing
smoky yoke
I doubt that would happen until the player base is big enough so that they get enough money or enough leeway to implement that.
glass coral
@slender briar seriously? So you want to nerf tog?
trail veldt
true @smoky yoke
glass coral
Ffs. Tog struggles on its own if teammates suck.
slender briar
No! I want to buff the Churchill 7 so it’s just better than the tog. Gotta read the messages 😃
olive arch
same
slender briar
Premiums should be the worst tanks in their class/tier, not the best
olive arch
it doesn’t even go down when you close discoed mobile you have to have the app open
trail veldt
yeah i see what you mean and honestly i agree apperiantly buying a tank gets more advantages then spending days/weeks grinding
winged barn
There is no point in buying garbage. No premiums would be purchased.
paper plank
Is6 got very big cupolas on the top of the turret you can easily penatret it
trail veldt
did you the that 59 pattons cupolas i mean that things an eyesore
smoky yoke
Actually nope , the tank gives you advantages in certain areas, but I can still pull off a 70% in most non-premium tanks
slender briar
I didn’t say it had to be bad. It just shouldn’t be a better tank than the tech tree variant.
trail veldt
instead of making all these premuims maybe wargaming could focus on new tech trees
olive arch
yeah
smoky yoke
IS-5 vs IS-3, IS-5 has better dpm but lower pen, IS-5 have better armor but crappier mobility , it gives and takes.
trail veldt
the is-5 isnt actuall that big of a problem because you gotta work for it
smoky yoke
Lowe vs Tiger II then, Lowe has better armor but really I mean really crappy mobility , once you go a direction you better stay there course you ain't running away .
slender briar
You think the Lowe and Tiger 2 are comparable?
trail veldt
well same can be said about the tiger 2
slender briar
The Tiger is practically a half tier lower.
trail veldt
lowe=60%protection 46%firepower 81% shot effectivness 25% manuverbiility tiger 2=55% protection 43% firepower 71%shot effectivness 24% manuverbility
givven this is a tiger 2 stock it does take a while to get better upgrades
torpid tiger
If it is to compare WoT PC wit WoT blitz, Blitz it's child's play @queen hemlock and even so in PC there's no hit skins and they shouldn't be in blitz either... that thing being removed will balance the game a lot
unique scaffold
You cant compare a stock tank to a premium
slender briar
And those number mean absolutely nothing.
trail veldt
its just what i pulled up alright to show what wargaming has the low and tiger 2 listed at
torpid tiger
That's probably because a lot of skilled players are playng the Lowe cuz it's the best credit maker in t8 not a lot of skilled players are playng the Tiger 2
slender briar
People have better win rates in the Lowe. We don’t have any way to check that or control for it.
torpid tiger
I even skipped the Tiger 2 with free xp haven't played a battle in it
slender briar
Lowe has better and a better gun for marginally worse mobility. Tiger 2 is inferior.
smoky yoke
is anyone having trouble loading blitzstar.com
torpid tiger
Compare the T34 with the t32
smoky yoke
queen hemlock
Balance would not be adjusted imho @torpid tiger because the aliens are there for everybody
slender briar
The Exp has so few players, it’s worth dismissing, but the numbers don’t lie here.
trail veldt
the premiums are better then the tech tree counter parts till you work up the tech tree counter part
torpid tiger
So are the 30%'s heshing you while you're in an e100
trail veldt
well in the t32 like i said the tanks crappy at the beggining thats probaly why the win rate sucks
slender briar
The T32 has better acceleration, except both are capped at 35 kmh, which the T34 has no problems reaching. The T34 has marginally worse DPM in exchange for 90 alpha and 50mm of pen.
T32 has a better turret, but it’s rare for the T34 to have problems.
torpid tiger
Premiums in blitz are not like premiums in WoT PC here the premiums are not so OP as they are in the PC version, premiums have better win rates here is because they are played a lot by skilled players
slender briar
Prove that that explains why the WRs are so different.
smoky yoke
I only played that tank line for maus but there isn't much difference, only that I had to level up the crew which takes 20-50 games to do and only different is 4% win-rate.That was nub me 1 year ago before armor buff, the way I play now is way different. The mobility of the tanks is so crappy that you basically run 10-20 km on slopes.
torpid tiger
As I said I didn't even played the Tiger 2 but I'm playng the Lowe a lot and I have 70% in the Lowe, same with the t34 I have 1k battles and 70+% in it but I haven't played the t32 at all
slender briar
So you don’t even know which one is better?
glass coral
Tog is extremely nasty to face if your team is good. Btw, can you be blamed for a team losing if you're using tog?
trail veldt
@glass coral i saydepends on wht you do with the tog that counts
torpid tiger
Trust me I know a lot about tanks and I could 1 v 1 almost anyone in a t32 vs a t34 @slender briar
glass coral
Once was cornered by one medium and two lights in tog. I killed all three of them.
slender briar
Ok, if you say so
glass coral
Not to mention one time I got six kills. Would of had seven but the timer saved him.
trail veldt
@torpid tiger depends on how good the person in the t32 is with that tank i could mop the floor with the t34 if commanded by an experiance player
torpid tiger
The only big downside of the t32 is that terrible penetration almost every other thing about it is better compared to the t34
True that @trail veldt
smoky yoke
Ohh yea you guys know a t34 is basically the tier 9 tank T30 right just in tier 8 right. Just like Kuro tier 6 is tiger 1 tier 7 tank.
torpid tiger
With a lot of nerfs @smoky yoke
trail veldt
or the t34 could be a tier 8 version of the t29
torpid tiger
Yeah exactly it could be a buffed t29
trail veldt
@torpid tiger also the penetration rate of the t32 is crappier than the t34 but the t34 has crappy hull armour
smoky yoke
T29 can be penned in the sides of turret but T34 even with apcr can't unless you aim for the cupola, T30 can't be pen in turret at all.
torpid tiger
The t32 has better DPM than the t34 the only REAL downside as I said is the poor penetration that the t32 has
slender briar
T34 has a lower time to kill than the T32 in a 1v1.
trail veldt
well the american heavys have good turrets a depression and elivation but on most all of them sucky hull armour
smoky yoke
Except tier 10s, if they face hug you , you will rage/
trail veldt
@smoky yoke also what tank are you using to try to pen the t34
slender briar
A T32 lol
torpid tiger
The t32 has the best turret tier for tier in the game
trail veldt
well i was able to pen a t34 side turret armour with the upgraded t29
torpid tiger
And the t34 turret has the same armour values as the t29's turret
trail veldt
also if in doubt just use he
smoky yoke
These tanks and any other good penetration tank. Due to me selling all to buy collector tanks.
torpid tiger
trail veldt
i have to admit finding a t34 in hull down position is a pain
torpid tiger
Take a look at those stats
trail veldt
t32 has a better rate of fire that could be life saving in a match
slender briar
T34 has better alpha, that could be life saving in a match
torpid tiger
Better hull, better turret, better dpm ,better aim time , better dispersion while moving the hull and turret
The only downside as I said is the penetration
trail veldt
true
slender briar
and dispersion overall 😃 good luck hitting weakspots with 198 and .371
torpid tiger
198 is horrible for tier 8
smoky yoke
It's a T30 ,dont compare it to a t32.
slender briar
Odds are you're using calibrated shells for a T32 anyway, which brings the DPM to basically equal
torpid tiger
That's with the stock t30 gun
slender briar
The parts you didn't circle is why the T34 is at tier 8 and not tier 9
smoky yoke
I saying it's just like a kuro , same tank build but with a tier 8 penetrating gun
torpid tiger
Cuz at tier 9 it would suck, can't compare it with an E75 , VK.b , IS8, WZ111 , the Conq
smoky yoke
I use the 400 dmg gun on my T30 , way better than the heavy hitter.
trail veldt
well the t30s also a tank destroyer not a heavy you cant really compare them to a t32 or t29
torpid tiger
And if you were to compare it with the t30 just check that DPM difference
slender briar
The gun on the T32 is bad enough that it alone makes it worse than the T34
The T30s 155mm is trash
torpid tiger
What?! T30 's 155 is trash? What?! Duuuudeeeee
slender briar
The BL-10 is arguably bettter on the ISU.
Interesting aside -- the T32 has the same dispersion as the ISU
torpid tiger
No it's not ! The t30 is arguably the best tier 9 TD because it has a turret ofc
slender briar
Waffle has a better gun and a turret
trail veldt
well like i stated the tanks dont really suck it really depends on the commander and how they play the tank
slender briar
You think all tanks are equal?
torpid tiger
But can U use that turret in the waffle? @slender briar can u be aggressive in the waffle ?
smoky yoke
Am just saying the T34 is a nerfed T30 , Just like the Kuro is a Nerfed Tiger I . They have no counter parts in that tier to compare with that has the same characteristics or model.
slender briar
Are you aggressive in a T30? because everything I just screenshotted, except for the borsig, can go straight through the T30 turret with AP.
trail veldt
@slender briar in a way yes why put a tier 8 in a tier 8 match that a certail tier 8 cant beat
torpid tiger
You can be aggressive in the t30, you can use a lot of aggressive hull down positions which u can T use in any other tier 9 td
slender briar
Yeah, it has a different playstyle. Still has the worst 150+mm at tier 9.
trail veldt
@torpid tiger given thers only on other tier 9 td with a rotatable turrets a bonus as well
stoic pebble
T30 is fun to play since you can take more positions
torpid tiger
But you have flexibility you don't get that thing in any other tier 9 td except the waffle which as I said can't use it's turret in the way that the t30 can
trail veldt
the t30 i see as a heavy mixed with a tank destroyer you can play th t30 as a heavy or a tank destroyer
torpid tiger
Yeah, and that is what makes this tank so special and one of if not the best tier 9 TD
jovial kernel
Also the T30 has a 155mm so it can overmatch up to 51.5mm of armor
halcyon wyvern
there goes lekpf sht tank
shut wigeon
When vk100 going to nerfed?
dreamy rapids
Vk 100 I have a feeling won't be needed to be nerfed due to the various weakspots and 20kph speed limit cap
jovial kernel
what weak spots? the entire front is over 190mm effective thickness before you bother angling up
chrome epoch
The copula
jovial kernel
literally 208mm in just raw thickness
It's not a weak spot it's a less strong spot
@chrome epoch
chrome epoch
Less strong = weak
unique scaffold
LoL
jovial kernel
Most tanks you face aren't penning even the cupola with standard ammo
lunar niche
Not even out and already asking for nerf.
jovial kernel
Nah, it's either going to completely ruin tier 8 or be hilariously useless.
jovial kernel
press x to doubt if it's top tier
shy wren
Tier VIII Heavies can reliably pen the cupola since they have more than enough pen for the cupola, minus the T32 and 45.02A
With the prammo, the tier VII Heavies can barely pen that
stoic pebble
at least wg was kind enough to nerf the "weakspot," if you can even call it that. in PC, removal of weakspots is a very big problem and I'm glad they're nerfing arguably op tenks.
jovial kernel
You forget to take into account their lackluster accuracy, wiggling is going to cause shots to hit off center and bounce off the angled also 208mm parts of the cupola
stoic pebble
y'all forgetting that the tank is tall as heck and dwarf tanks like the IS series and most mediums are going to need 220+
jovial kernel
That too also rip IS-6 even more
stoic pebble
the vk 100.01, just like the gravedigger, will absolutely destroy most equal and lower tier tanks, but be food for higher tier tanks.
all the 100.01 fears are the T34 and the T28 proto since they can meme right through the weakspot consistently without using gold. also all TDs except AT 15 rip
shy wren
Yeah, forgot to take that into factor
remote valley
not rly sure abt the cupola for vk 100.01p its still relatively tough..
jovial kernel
yeah it's not exactly a "weak" spot
remote valley
even a T34 can somewhat struggle to pen can still pen but not very reliably
dapper osprey
Tanks should cost less in blitz MAIN REASON: in pc it is a. Lot easier to get credits, more tanks more damage more variety, in blitz there is less tanks and less damage, therefore the only way to get credits is to either spend gold for credits or buy premium tanks (also explain p2w tanks like Dracula)
jovial kernel
PC games last twice as long, the idea is that in the same amount of time you get the same credits.
rotund ravine
Blitz needs to be like that
burnt lava
In my opinion Blitz and WoT PC are different games. Yes they are developed by the same company, yes they have the same concept, but in the details they are different. I can't be bothered to list these details, so you just think about it
jovial kernel
yeah absolutely
fringe summit
In 7v7 you are more depended in you’re team, unlike a 15v15.
jovial kernel
Not really, main differences is that in 15v15 there are enough players to split up, in 7v7 you wanna stick together
gray gorge
Is that true though? Aren't there just (shudder) more nubs per team?
Is there the same 'playerbase skill level' issue with wot? Do they whine about it to the extent that we do?
fringe summit
However, in PC version, it’s totally u balanced. You have tanks in the same tier which are very bad than others in that tier. And +2-2mm. So its a big battle with OP and underrated tank. That’s more fun than only balanced tanks like blitz has with +1-1mm.
atomic lodge
2+MM is funny if u are top-tier if u are middle or Lowtier its cancer
unique scaffold
Worth should have some tanks meet t10.For ex in wot PC t34 heavy and Lowe that don't have pref mm
Wotb*
jovial kernel
No, because it's simply not fun to play a stock IS-3 against an IS-7 or an E 100.
unique scaffold
Only when top modules mounted @jovial kernel
jovial kernel
Cool, then I just won't use top modules. It's not a good idea.
unique scaffold
Or just premium tanks
jovial kernel
then no one will buy them
unique scaffold
Welp,I'm just copying of wot.OR we can have a option in settings that will allow us to meet t10 (Optional)
jovial kernel
Nice option that no one will turn on. Just platoon with someone a tier higher than you dude
teal frigate
give foch 18kph reverse speed
slim aurora
Give T-62A 155mm cannon with 5s reload
shy wren
Nah, give T-62A alternate 115mm gun. That’s a historic one
slim aurora
Do you not understand sarcasm
shut wigeon
Give t62a 183mm gun.
shy wren
I do. I just want to give a suggestion @slim aurora
solar flicker
Lets give the Hetzer a 183 mm gun in the next update because the other derp is getting the boot
chrome epoch
Adding a 183mm in diameter by 183 mm long gun on the Herzter would cause it to fall flat on its face. (and the real 183 gun is far longer than 183mm long)
shy wren
r/woooosh
remote valley
wonder if people are realising the sarcasm in the atmosphere
solar flicker
no like put the gun on the roof of the tank and shrten it
chrome epoch
Oh I didn't read up
blazing furnace
Do you guys really think the kv’s are OP, some people keep saying that and i don’t believe its true
shy wren
They’re good, not OP
unique scaffold
@blazing furnace. The KV-2 is OP. The 3.8 equipment changes took the KV-2 from good to OP. Giving it calibrated shells, vertical stabilizer, rammer, improved traverse, and improved armor was massive overkill.
desert gull
Ugh 5.5 will be the worst update for me. The good old' T82 will be removed such as T-15 and A-32, I have t15 and a32 already so lets say i got 1.800 gold
blazing furnace
Yea but using the lv2 effectively before was almost impossible
shy wren
I was referring to the other KVs in the line.
KV-2 is an oddball
desert gull
i have kv2 on my other acc
blazing furnace
I have over 1,500 battles in the kv2, and 15-16 mastery badges in it. If they change it so it isnt as good im going to be very disappointed
unique scaffold
It should be changed.
lethal mason
lol, wargaming never touch the KV2, is a legend
cunning vapor
Kv2 will never recieve a buff or nerf. It will stay the same
unique scaffold
If it needs to be balanced then it needs to be balanced.
shut wigeon
@cunning vapor No it should get a he pen nerf. Its he pen is even better jageroos he pen.
cunning vapor
It has got a 21 second reload time. Its balanced imho
unique scaffold
It should have it's alpha lowered to fall in line with other 152mm guns. In addition to this the velocity of the 152mm gun should be reduced to make the tank impossible to snipe with.
cunning vapor
Its a very team dependant tank. No support and you are easily dead.
unique scaffold
It is a crutch tank that bad players abuse.
cunning vapor
If wg had any plans to nerf it, they would have done it now with all the lower tier changes. But Kv-2 seems like will stay the same, just like the 183.
unique scaffold
Bad players flock to it because it is the only way they can do damage. Land one shot, do 900+ dmg, and one shot some poor tier V. Then die having done 3 times the damage that they are capable of putting out in any other tier VI tank.
More rebalancing is coming... The KV-2 should be taking some sort of hit then.
cunning vapor
Its gonna stay the same
unique scaffold
We'll see. 5.5 proved that WG isn't scared to kick the crutches out from under players. I can only hope that the next few updates will do more of the same.
cunning vapor
Kv2 is a unique tank at that tier. It should stay thay way
The su-152 provides same type gameplay, maybe even better.
obsidian osprey
If the KV2 weren’t Soviet, it would have lost its “jewels” years ago
unique scaffold
Nobody is saying it's shouldn't be unique. I'm saying it needs a nerf. It was over buffed by 3.8 and needs to be brought into check.
shut wigeon
@cunning vapor Kv2 he pen is 88mm. This he penetration is absurdly overpowered for tier 6.
cunning vapor
@shut wigeon I use calibrated shells, so pen is 95 😂
obsidian osprey
they could make its turret locked during movement to give it a touch of realism
unique scaffold
Defending your crutch...
obsidian osprey
actually that would encourage camping oh god
unique scaffold
@cunning vapor what's your most played tank?
cunning vapor
I wonder how many games I have on my Kv2. I used to play in regularly. I dont have it now tho
dim field
Thing about su-152 vs kv-2. Su has not turret
shut wigeon
Yeah i didnt even count calibrated shells. 95 he pen in tier 6 is stupidly overpowered since you can pen most of the thing you faced. Also kv2 muzzle velocity is quite good for a derp which needs to lowered also.
unique scaffold
And is a tier VII...
cunning vapor
@unique scaffold batchat t10 is my most played tank 1.5k battles. Is4 is second
unique scaffold
Fair enough. My assumption was wrong.
cunning vapor
😅
shut wigeon
Defending kv2 is practically defending the deathstar in tier x.
cunning vapor
I used to love heavies, frontline battling. Now I play lights/meds more. Its more thrilling to play meds
shy wren
Flanking is fun, but I like going frontline
dim field
When meds bully a turretless
When teammates ignore the turretless teammate getting bullied
shut wigeon
Heavies are least skill required tank class in current meta.
Also they removed t-150 from the tech tree instead of kv-2.Why?Just because its popular.Ofc its popular thats happens when you put a 152mm gun with god level he pen on tier 6.
dim field
Popular and iconic.
Could you imagine if they did remove it instead of t-150? New players wouldn't be able to get it but still have to deal with it
shut wigeon
@dim field There is nothing iconic about it. Kv-2 was garbage just like any other kv variant in real life.
severe valve
KV2 should be nerfed there is no reason it should be the way it is. Don't tell me they should keep it the same when the T49 has less alpha 2 whole tiers higher facing tanks with noticeably more difficult armor profiles.
haughty river
It is fine as it is
atomic hound
The kv is very strong if you're against it: one mistake and you're done for, but playing in the thing, I've found it hard to push my wr above 66%, that reload cannot be underestimated, makes it very difficult to carry sometimes, especially with tier 7 being flooded with so many overpowered tanks. I think the tank is in a strange position between because the players complaining about it (the good ones who have to take it on constantly) don't like the risk factor associated with taking one on, but the tank itself isn't really that easy to have an excellent winrate in
The t49 definitely needs a buff imho, the alpha isn't enough, nor is the HE pen, and the HE should be standard not premium
haughty river
Plus if you miss and hit a external module or dont pen the kv2 only does about 300 dmg
atomic hound
When driving the t49 against IS spam, etc. your only option to deal damage is to fire HE if you can't get all the way behind them, and the splash damage is awful, often below 200 damage, which you're paying a huge amount of credits for, not to mention that as a tier 8 light it has a terrible credit coefficient
haughty river
I never have played the t49
small flame
You wanna talk about 150mm cannons that need rebalancing? Look no further than the kpfz
slim aurora
That's the downside of using a missile launcher. Last time, the T49 with the aforementioned gun ammo racked so many people it was ridiculous.
By reducing the HESH round's cost, you've created a downgraded but faster version of a KV-2.
strong depot
i love these teams
thx matchmaker
trashtalk mode (on)
wg what's ur opinion on this?
#dontcare
obsidian osprey
I don’t see any matchmaker problem there, just garbage players. You know matchmaker doesn’t balance the skill level on both teams and that’s why most games are unbalanced and boring, right?
unique scaffold
they collect the good players on a team and the bad players in a team, so the good players win and have better wr, that is stratige from wargaming
obsidian osprey
Not even remotely true
unique scaffold
unfair distribution
slim aurora
Matchmaker: Put a bit of this and put a bit of that
If the matchmaker was fair, queueing for games would take VERY long
unique fulcrum
Can anyone hear tell me roughly how long in hours till the server goes down for maintenance
slim aurora
1h 49 mins
unique scaffold
better 1 min wating for matchmake and not after 1 min all team dead in battle
unique fulcrum
@slim aurora ongggg lol i got a lot of replays to offload lol
mighty spear
I think the KV2 is balanced
Its not that hard to take out at a kv2. Bad armour, bad speed and a good player knows how to deal with it. Yes it can 1 shot but thats the uniqueness of the KV2. You just gotta know how to deal with it
the deathstar however is at tier 10 and completely different gameplay, I think the hesh on the deathstar should be nerfed and so should the KV2's but it should atleast have 65mm of he peneetration
spring pelican
nah dont touch my 183
shut wigeon
@mighty spear Kv2 doesnt have bad armor. Its turret is well armored especially the gun mantlet.
lone warren
yes it does. You will get the occasional bounce either because of bad aiming or rng but you cannot depend on the armour. Any decent player will avoid shooting near the mantlet.
acoustic burrow
@mighty spear t150 can kill very easy a kv 2
lone warren
The AP pen, hull traverse and camo are three things that need to be nerfed on the deathstar imo
odd girder
How i can play with T-150 against OP OVERBUFFED SPEEDED Gravediggers?
acoustic burrow
Take a tiger p then
coral echo
T150 > kv2
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold. That is one of the dumbest things I've read in awhile.
lone warren
@strong depot ouch bad team
coral echo
Lmao
unique scaffold
No it doesn't
normal sky
WG make the tanks flip like in normal WoT
unique scaffold
Like the tier 10 German light lmao 😂 😂
mighty spear
it really does
burnt venture
WG says 183 is balanced, but somehow nerfs HESH pen on Brit meds
mighty spear
183 is not balanced lol
lyric shore
fck 183, too much camping with that sht tank. YOu cannot play aggressive against an FV
mighty spear
exactly. They are nerfing tanks that dont need a nerf! THE 183 should not have 246mm of hesh pen. Slightly less
halcyon wyvern
200mm pen
mighty spear
And it promotes camping. It's a noob friendly tank. No i think it deserves 150-175 its op when u get hit for 1.4k dmg
halcyon wyvern
nerf st emil speed PLZZ
mighty spear
the 183 would be balanced if it had 150mm of hesh pen because 246 gets thru the lower plate of everything. It is not fair xd
150mm is fair, it can only hesh sides
246 is better than some tier tens. Like BC, MAUS, 62A, E50M
burnt venture
definitely NOT 150, that is way too low, can't even pen the sides of E100s
Maybe 175 or 190 or just flat 200. Even 210 would be fair
halcyon wyvern
HESHing the side of a SUPER heavy?
atomic hound
If you're stupid enough to give the side of your tank to a 183, spotted or not, you deserve to take the hit.
lunar niche
That just means not to move from spawn until 183 is spotted.
zealous citrus
Asia server is on ?
viral totem
lol
zealous citrus
??
plucky acorn
I had a maus ram me in my 183 which allowed me to HESH their side
terse drum
183 is the most brokken noob wr 50 tank... Plz do somthing... Not fun then where is 4 183 kids in one game...
warped ingot
jovial kernel
Lower the Grave Digger's recoil/tank shake on firing the gun thanks
royal mortar
Is anyone else experiencing a problem with world of tanks loading in? I’ve been on the “connecting screen for a good 20 minutes and nothing happens
visual nimbus
Server maintenance
jovial kernel
5.5 update
shut wigeon
Wz 120-1g ft is clearly balanced.
jovial kernel
Huh I might need to pick up the WZ-110
royal mortar
Ahh thx!
unique scaffold
I like EXP better 😛
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel Yeah do you really think wg will ever sell this broken tank again?
jovial kernel
No the 110 at the bottom of the list the first not premium there
shut wigeon
Uhm so?
stoic pebble
110 got nerfed a while back but it still has more dpm than all the IS tanks at T8 bar the IS-6 with the 175mm pen meme cannon
jovial kernel
Well yeah the WZ-110 has a 100mm gun and Grave Digger level frontal hull armor an a great turret
shut wigeon
Not really. Wz110 has a huge lower plate also armor behind tracks are only 60mm.
jovial kernel
Yeah true, but it does wreck when it's top tier
stoic pebble
60mm behind tracks doesnt matter since you won't be facing 183s anyway, and the lower plate isn't an issue if you play smart
shut wigeon
@stoic pebble Doesnt matter? It matters a lot you cant side scrap with them and when you slightly over turn and you will penned from your tracks. Also its sides doesnt have the spaced armor like russians so speaking generally its armor isnt that great. However it has a much superior gun handlings and dpm.
Our topic suppose to be wz 120-1g ft why we are talking about 110 lmao.
jovial kernel
Because it's the top non premium tier 8 and I might go for it
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel It has higher winrate yeah. But if you are a newbie i suggest you to play with is-3 first.
jovial kernel
I'm not really a new player, but eh it's an interesting tank for sure
mighty spear
150mm of hesh pen is fair..... You're not meant to be able to penetrate the front of maus's lower plate with such silly he pen. When HESH does pen. its 1.4k hp lost. It is not fair
tardy meadow
Lol scrubs get dunked by the 183 power and go to cry in the forums
jovial kernel
I mean even iRaikkonen thinks it doesn't work in blitz
plucky acorn
The game is pretty balanced imo
jovial kernel
I think the 183 HESH should be nerfed to 150mm pen and have the RoF buffed to make up for it
plucky acorn
Or just learn to deal with 183s
jovial kernel
It's not unlikable it just makes the gameplay campy and isn't fun to play against.
jovial kernel
The problem is that then no one wants to pay because no one wants to be the poor sod that gets hit for 1300
lime kite
Can they lower the reload on kv2 down to like 15 seconds BUT lower the pen as well
amber scroll
Nah reload on kv2 shouldn't be lower, its nice balanced now
lime kite
Put it down to like 60
stoic pebble
The entire problem with the KV-2 at T6 and such is that it takes barely any skill to operate. can't pen? shoot anyway and deal 400 ish damage and make the other guy who's trying to use his armor properly angry
amber scroll
@stoic pebble you're right, no one want to go further while enemy kv2 is aiming 😁
But its pretty balanced, cuz kv2 almost cant do nothing 1v1 + cant do nothing on long ranges
stoic pebble
It's not a very well balanced tank, but I can understand why people enjoy playing it. I have more problems with HE mechanics than the tank itself but I guess since the japanese heavies won't ever be added, I'm fine with a bit of derp in the game since its only at T6.
Games are about fun, and KV-2 drivers know that and just want to mess around. I'm fine with that.
amber scroll
I got 300 battles on it and i didnt noticed it dont goes for t7 xd
And for me personally kv2 was made to chill out a bit, just play for fun :D
dim field
I feel bad for the new players who are gonna hit tier 5 and freak out when they insta die
uncut raptor
New players deserve even more pain Now. They are fault that my "all time goldened" Stug got nerfed and i can't even get back my gold its just Scam from wargaming wtf
obsidian shoal
ikr i got the hetzer and loveed killing nubs with the 105 mm but now its getting nerfed
jovial kernel
Lol T-150 is still a monster tho
shy wren
It always has been
chrome epoch
It always will be
jovial kernel
Yeah but they nerfed it hard and it's still absurd
stray edge
lean lion
Jumbo still good
atomic marten
@stray edge rip a-32
My top tank 😭 😭
dim field
Still unable to use my tanks above tier 5, still downloading my resources for them apparently. Fortunately the gun they took away from them my Hetzer is not the gun I used to use. I could be a very mean individual now
:)
brittle sigil
@dim field ikr thee killed the luchs
Wargaming is dead to me right now I might just go play world of cancer aka warships blitz
dim field
Go drive real tanks instead
jovial kernel
Drive it through the WG offices
tranquil socket
Tempted to buy an SU-152 from a buddy of mine
$88k for a KV-2 or SU-152 and why is slow mode 59 seconds for me?
warm flicker
88? For two tanks that you can easily get yourself? Bad deal.
brittle sigil
@jovial kernel ok where is there office and we need to steal a tank from Texas
tranquil socket
@warm flicker why aren't you yellow!?!?!
dim field
Would actually buy that camo in wotb. Nothing could be funnier than killing people in a hello kitty tank. Plus my niece loves hello kitty
tranquil socket
@warm flicker and he tanks are forsale IRL 88 for 1 tank
Does anyone know why the sliwmode is at 49 RN?
brittle sigil
Tanks blitz is dead to me now after this update for me it’s 45s ha I know how to beat the slow things just edit a thing you already said HAHAHA
dim field
Testing to see my slowmode rate
Edit: it says 45
brittle sigil
You can beat it by editing what you are saying HAHA @tranquil socket it died for me because the luchs got slapped right in the face by a death star using HESH
tranquil socket
They are dead to me now, now we have T1's and T3's with 500 health now we must all slave to T10
dim field
Oooh i wanna try out my pz38h.
tranquil socket
I thought the collector tanks wouldn't take space, but they do
brittle sigil
Really @dim field ikr I would join but after the update I might give someone my acc
dim field
Honestly Im not a fan of tier x. I'll stick to 7,8, and 9.
tranquil socket
Im not kidding, i have 30 slots with 20 collectors
limpid elm
@dim field Why you don't like tier 10? Lol. 🤣
brittle sigil
My tier 10 sucks the T57 heavy hell the m48 has better armor then it does and it’s a heavy tank
dim field
Toxicity mostly.
That and my favorite tanks are in 7 and 8.
I only have one tier X and that's the is-7 but i prefer tank destroyers.
brittle sigil
Brb gonna go see if I got a reply on something I said about the update
jovial kernel
I mean it's not really a heavy
tranquil socket
If they're doing 5.5 like this
Just remove all Tanks and nations, add the Ratte and KV-6 and swedish artillery only, let them figure out how to play
warm flicker
@tranquil socket I never asked to be a mod. That’s why I’m not yellow. Are the tanks 3D printed?
brittle sigil
@warm flicker really are they 3D printed of a HE shell hit them there would be parts of it over the world
warm flicker
What?
limpid elm
Oh my! Since when was Maverick no longer a moderator?
summer notch
Did the A-32’s pen get nuked or something?
tranquil socket
They didn't nerf premiums at all
limpid elm
@tranquil socket That shouldn't come as a surprise.
tranquil socket
They nerfed collector and regular R35 Is no longer OP
jovial kernel
Yeah it is lol
tranquil socket
30mm armor 5.9 second reload c'mon wargaming it's T2 not T1
jovial kernel
It is tier 1 though
tranquil socket
It's a T2 tank for a T1 that now has T1 armor
jovial kernel
What? It still bounces tier 2 tanks lol
shy wren
@limpid elm there’s two Mavericks tho
limpid elm
Wait wut?
tranquil socket
The one with pramo is the old mod
indigo knot
I love the new camos in update.....tanks look cool in it
neon gyro
Let’s not be quick to judge. Remember the reason for the update. To make noobs pros. I am doubtful but we must remember, learning takes time. We learn, WG learns, and maybe it will work, but let’s not judge the book by the cover before we have read it through.
iron lynx
I heard the BT7 gets more armor than the R35
jovial kernel
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lucid jetty
Does anyone want to see the survival rate of vk100p?
fringe summit
Yes xD
hidden solstice
I was ok with the update until I saw what they did to my baby the m3 Lee they killed it it was prefect the was it was not OP and not bad if used right it could carry a team but if used by someone who did now know how to hide it's weak spots it was a EZ kill but now........ War gaming i despise you now
unique scaffold
Did they remove the top gun or did they nerf it to shit?
shy wren
The Lee got a reload nerf. It still has the 160 alpha, the highest in its tier...
unique scaffold
how bad is the reload now then?
shy wren
Around 8s
unique scaffold
and before?
shy wren
6s
unique scaffold
It could be worse
brittle sigil
It could have been hit lik the luchs was
plush umbra
How bad did it get nerfed?
atomic hound
Why does the vk100.01 P have over 200mm of hatch armour... Seriously... It's rounded too, meaning unless you're at close range with a decent pen gun (sorry mediums and lights, forget it) it is impenetrable
slender briar
So it isn't trash like the chieftain
atomic hound
If you angle the turret it is waaay better than either of the previously existing German tier 9 heavies for all round armour, over the whole tank
iron hearth
Just use premium ammo ez pen 😂
slender briar
Significantly worse gun in DPM and accuracy.
atomic hound
I shouldn't need premium ammo for a weak spot on a same tier heavy. And if you look at it, it still isn't an easy pen with plenty of tier 8s using gold
iron hearth
Go around the tank its slow af you want have problem
atomic hound
The sides of that hatch have in excess of 370mm of effective armour, good luck penning that
iron hearth
If you cant pen use he shells for some juicy 90 damage
atomic hound
Hmm. No thanks...
I feel sorry for the tier 7s that try to damage this thing... The tank can get over 240mm all round effective armour (including lower plate) angled right, the only weak spots being behind the tracks (200mm effective) and the hatch (about 210-220mm effective in the middle)
Those tier 7s can only fire heat at the hatch, because the tracks are spaced, so...
slender briar
Good thing the rear is 120!
atomic hound
Good luck getting the rear if he is either competent or has support... The tank has very decent traverse speed too, so circling it is tough
brittle sigil
No even the ru will have to deal with the gun so no one can do it
indigo knot
I think that Vk100.01p is fine ....dpm,top speed and gun handling balance it in my view
autumn zodiac
It seems my Enriched vehicles prior to 5.5 that were removed from the tech tree lost the enriched status even though it claims they haven't.
plucky acorn
I've heard from others that they were having some issues with the update
proven dawn
I quite like the update just that they made some tanks completely useless like the t2light (the old gold tank) u cant do anything now with him because u need to go close to the enemy’s and shot them and then u deal 40 dmg if u hit every shot and u cant escape anymore because u reload 7 seconds and u engine is really weak so u slow af so i would be really happy if u make the t2 engine better because i really loved the tank
scenic echo
When will FV215b 183 get removed or nerfed?
lunar niche
Complaining about a superheavy having more armour. What?!
brittle sigil
Toon tier 8 NA?
unique fulcrum
This tank is broken... lol
true meteor
Mach besser Mal nen Deutschkurs
shell ravine
a20 not good anymore
true meteor
Ist ja genauso grausam wie die Bugs im Update...
unique scaffold
Who thought it was a good idea to not nerf the otsu
@tiny root Da haste recht
Keni Otsu hasnt been nerfed, so it really has 3.5-3.75 times more dpm, up from 2x in 5.4 compared to other tier 3 tanks
The Keni is now even more broken. Nerf the thing. Because WG also nerfed a tier 2 prem that costed 10$ to hell and they wont nerf a tier 3 5$ premium.
unreal elm
add the t82 again
true wedge
T-46 is really bad now
unique scaffold
Most tanks are
true wedge
most low tier tanks are* and because of all these really really awful reloads and damage stats its now really awfully boring to play tier 1 to tier 4
unreal elm
the took the renault ft
unique scaffold
yes, they took the tier 1s
true wedge
also because of the awful decision to nerf tier 1 to tier 4 now if any tier 4 is uptiered to tier 5 its dead meat
so if your tier 4 gets uptiered to tier 5 now you might as well alt+f4
unique scaffold
At least there's no more +2/-2 mm where a tier 4 might end up against a tier 6
true wedge
well now tier 4s are just straight punching bags when they see a tier 5 because of the awful reloads and awful damage nerfs because they cant penetrate the armor or just because their reload is too slow to fight back
unique scaffold
Tier IV tank gets uptiered
Tier V tanks: It's real free estate
true wedge
yep in 5.4 tier 4s had a bit of chance to fight back against tier 5 now they cant at all
unreal elm
they nerfed only some of the t iv's. why??
desert gull
hhhh
clever mauve
This update stinks~ there’s such a gap between tier 4 and 5 now
potent patio
And chaffee is tier 6, like what the hell
wet quail
got a buff i think
potent patio
Yea ik, it has to get one if its gonna be a tier 6
clever mauve
I don’t think the Chaffee got much of a buff...
potent patio
But it got one
unique scaffold
Why t67 is so nerf for alpha, Jackson is much better now with 160 alpha...
Wolverine sorry, not Jackson
tiny root
@unique scaffold thx
unique scaffold
I am gonna keep the AT-1 for another update, to see if they replace the poor 57 mm gun (and 9 sec reload) with the 76 mm (11 sec reload). It's nearly useless now
unreal elm
that is a good idea
unique scaffold
The AT-1 icon has also the short gun, so it is the 76 mm, they did wrong in nerfing that vehicle, it wasn't a howitzer but it carried AP shells. And 60 damage with 57 mm every 9 seconds ruins completely the player who still own it.
mighty spear
Downloading the update right now, Im nervous af
But i will get the vk 7201k so thats cool#
glossy estuary
Vk100 is already killing dynamic gameplay at 8. It will be exactly like that circus in X with campers in TDs and super heavies. Meh
jovial kernel
Nah the IS-6 can dispatch them pretty not too hard when you load your skill rounds
glossy estuary
Skill rounds will punch the lower plate or turret. Fine if you play on moms computer with the 55” display vs someone who can’t angle or wiggle ......but this is a mobile game.
jovial kernel
@glossy estuary I play on a 5 inch phone...
deep isle
😄
jovial kernel
The VK 100.01 (P) is a lot less of a problem than I thought it would be tbh
Just keep your skill rounds at arm's length and your crosshair on the cupola
hidden scaffold
The 4502 B needs more side armor if it’s ever going to be competitive at tier 9
sharp wind
Did some moron state they are happy that -2/+2 is gone because tier 4s will not have to meet tier 6?
strong depot
what's the point of balance when this exists?
obsidian osprey
Professional troll. Yikes
sullen osprey
PLEASE Change Back the turrets on T - 28, PZ IV and Leopárd. The T - 28 are 100% unusable @lean forge
obsidian osprey
Anything sub 35% winrate requires active sabotage of one’s own team
sharp wind
T-28 was never usable
obsidian osprey
the 57mm gun was fun on the t28, not a good tank in general, but it had its moments
sullen osprey
T -- 28's 57mm gun is my Favorite
~3 sec reload and 90 damage with Great preparation. That's Enough for an good tank
jovial kernel
Yeah it was like a tier 4 CDC in that it was mobile, huge, had no armor, but a good gun.
glossy estuary
@jovial kernel sure you do. Just pen that hatch with prammo with a Russian gun. No big deal
jovial kernel
I'm pretty sure the IS-6 isn't really known for being a good tank.
The IS-6 has meh armor, bad penetration, okay speed, and the only thing good about it is the dpm which it can use to kill VK 100.01 (P)s
dim field
Can you screenshot their military honor for us?
short scroll
unique scaffold
@quick lichen ah i know, im cool with it i understand my dude.
short scroll
What?
jovial kernel
WG changed the tech trees to have less seal clubbers
ivory fractal
@short scroll what’s the problem? If there is one
inner comet
They nerfed the luchs so hard
32° of traverse for a light tank. And it's auto loader only has 4 shells. They also nerfed the leo, from 15 shells to 9
jovial kernel
Buff VK 100.01 (P)'s 105mm gun so it fires 5.5 rounds a minute with 1925 dpm before food and rammer
indigo knot
Remove wasteland map
jovial kernel
no it's a good map
wicked forum
why was the KV-1 nerfed so much?
inner comet
Dunno, maybe it was too OP
I also bought the leg camo for it. Now it's for nothing i guess, it's good against tiet 4 and 5 but tier 6 outclass it now
wicked forum
Yeah, in 5-6 battles the tier 6s absolutely curb stomp tier 5s
glossy estuary
@jovial kernel just nerfed that is6. More prammo=‘s less silver
jovial kernel
What? I still think the VK 100.01 (P) is fine imo as long as you keep some skill rounds close
wicked needle
Nerf that front of vk
jovial kernel
nah lower plate is weak
unique scaffold
@wicked needle. Buff your aiming 🤣
wicked needle
Nah its not weak,hts and mts cant pen lower plate
jovial kernel
just load the skill rounds and hit the hatch
jovial kernel
"Nerf the only good part of the tank"
quick lichen
Ikr
unique scaffold
Can't we put everyone into +/- 2 matchmaking to see what it's like to go up against tier 10's in a tiger 2 or is3 ? I'd wonder how many would still complain about the vk 100 P with the current MM
I wish. +2/-2 made for far better players.
Good old days :)
keen star
Kv220t is epic nowe against the t4's 🤣
unique scaffold
I still remember the time when I started playing wot blitz 😂 😂 I got so fascinated that I grinded to the IS during the first weekend
wicked forum
They’re so rare though it’s nothing to worry about @keen star
keen star
I have one 😜
blazing furnace
Gotta love free tank WOTB gave out after the update
Like if u had the E2 u got the E8
olive wren
Yeah but they nurfed al the tanks that they took out of the tech tree
jovial kernel
nah the Sherman V got pure buffs buffs buffs
blazing furnace
Yea
olive wren
And his derp gun beceaus the dw2 is nurfed the light vic and ltp
jovial kernel
Also the KV-13 got out with a nice engine buff
blazing furnace
Goodbye to derping im T82
olive wren
Dw2 has a 12 sec reload
blazing furnace
Why??!?
olive wren
I don't know and the LTP had 3.3 and now its 4.8
blazing furnace
Oh because now the DW2 would be OP because of the changes
With them getting rd of the derps their really is no fast way to destroy it
olive wren
But the worst is the light vic if you are Lucky you do 30 damage in 1 clip
blazing furnace
Yea it isnt very good
olive wren
Update 5.5 winrates drops to 0%
olive wren
Yes that is true
unique scaffold
Thank god that it is. I love my kv2
strong depot
wot blitz in a nutshell
jovial kernel
still lose
strong depot
oh yeah, forgot about that 👌
kindred python
i like how they nerfed the T2 Light so much it sucks now
visual nimbus
The T7 Combat Car did not need a nerf less than half the shots ever go in...
kindred python
ya but its the same with the t2 light
visual nimbus
Ohhhh well.......
kindred python
its a 3 clip instead of a 5 that it had
visual nimbus
Yep.
plush field
Sold my t2 light. It sucks. I had it since 2015. So lame 😒
visual nimbus
It’s for the greater good I suppose..
kindred python
its the tank i played the most
visual nimbus
Ouch
kindred python
ya
pine bobcat
i want my Gc back
jovial kernel
I bought the GC just because I knew it would be getting a free instant upgrade to the top gun
pine bobcat
this new update makes me want tto die
tender drift
anyway anyone know around what hour does that thing with selling vehicles go away ? lol
chrome epoch
I think 24 hrs
unique scaffold
I still don't get why the Ke Ni Otsu Is sacred and never nerfed with the excuse of being premium. There are Tier 2 and 3 paid tanks nerfed in this update but these occasions NEVER touch the Otsu. I really wonder why.
plush field
Yeaaaaahh that’s pretty uncool
unique scaffold
Because hardly anyone plays it.
Quite the contrary, in these last 2 days I met the Otsu at least 10 times
And then the team in which the Otsu gets in wins, always.
plush field
They made all of the tech tree tanks weaker. And then leave the most broken tank in the game untouched. GG
stoic pebble
I have not seen a single otsu on RU server, but thats probably because the queue is so diluted since there are so many people playing
unique scaffold
I play in EU server, and at least they could resell it, it's not fair it was sold just once in Blitz life
hard stone
EU server got KV-220.
jovial kernel
Bushka(mp) openly says it's op, I don't think he's against a Kenny nerf
storm storm
In 5.5 update we cant talk about any balance 😭 , worst update ever I've seen
jovial kernel
meh it's mostly fine
storm storm
@jovial kernel🤔 😂
jovial kernel
serious
storm storm
It cant be penned by 7
jovial kernel
meh
stuck path
Hey
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold Pz 2j is extremely rare too. Why does it nerfed?
unique scaffold
🤷 I don't work for WG.
shut wigeon
I dont get it you can able to explain why most overpowered tank stays untouched but you cant able to explain why other prems nerfed that they dont even deserves a nerf at all.
jovial kernel
The Pz. II J got buffed relatively, doesn't have to deal with those peskt tier 3 TDs penning it frontally
clever mauve
un nerf churchhill GC! reload is way too long now
jovial kernel
what? the reload was never nerfed
clever mauve
it used to be lower according to the youtube videos ive seen ~ maybe a different gun?
jovial kernel
maybe they have food and a gun rammer :p
clever mauve
i doubt it ~ also Ford is right its not fair the other low premiums we bought get nerfed but ostu doesnt
@hard stone yeah i made an EU account just to get a kv220 ~ its even better now with the tier 5s being nerfed!
@keen star i got one too its amazing!
bronze turtle
Okay so I feel win rate is broken to a degree. I have played for hours today and have yet to get a single win in my black prince. I can run any other tank and get a win. Whats with the mega nerf of the black prince as of late? Anyone else feel this way?
slender briar
Confirmation bias
bronze turtle
@slender briar pls explain
visual nimbus
You didn’t need to nerf the Combat car
quick lichen
Well at least the turret is grey
jovial kernel
that's just the gun mantlet, there's a lot of space between the gun mantlet and the turret on the Pz. III
visual nimbus
It can’t pen it, I tried
He sat there...so I fully aimed at the weak spots and not one 50 cal. got through.
quick lichen
@visual nimbus cs or vents?
visual nimbus
cs
Before the nerf less than half the shots ever effectively got in.. and now since it’s clip has been demolished the chances of doing damage is very slim..
quick lichen
Damn
visual nimbus
The barrage of 50 cal. was what made the Combat Car the Combat Car... now it’s nothing...oh well it’s not like I play low tier anyway.. It was just a tank for the laughs
midnight marlin
@quick lichen sorry!
quick lichen
@midnight marlin for?
midnight marlin
You completely forgot... shouldn’t had brought it up.
I’m sorry about talking bad about your loyal clan, but some can be rude, no offense, some just can’t stand to take a loss, no need to fire back, in just saying I’m not saying nothing bad about your clan. Before that’s what you think.
midnight marlin
I can’t help it that I end up in battles with PRAMO
quick lichen
You missed my point entirely
jovial kernel
Pramo is a weird balance, they either don't talk to you, get mad at you for driving within 50m, or are actually decent nice people. Everyone in the clan in my experiences is either completely neutral or pumped all the way to the extreme ends of the scale.
midnight marlin
Okay, no I didn’t. I understood what you meant, you told me to find a sucky clan that enjoys losing.
visual nimbus
Their humans...everyone is different
jovial kernel
Yeah but there's no mildly salty or mildly nice people, they're either very nice, very salty, or don't talk at all
it's really weird
terse summit
Yo is the t-34-2 gonna be bigger along with the wz 120?
jovial kernel
nah they like being smol tenks
terse summit
They’re seriously underpowered
jovial kernel
if you ask iRaikkonen he likes the WZ-120
Sk8xtrm likes both of those tanks
terse summit
While the players may be doing good, the statistics of the tanks are seriously underperforming compared to other tier 8 mediums
jovial kernel
They don't work as normal mediums. This is normal for unconventional tanks.
lean wolf
Same with T-34-3 after all...
modern pollen
Anybody know if the KV1/2 had any spec changes? Seem different but can’t put my finger on it.
umbral hound
Grave digger. I hate that tank much
lean wolf
Yeah, dpm was nerfed on both and it seems the aiming time is worse but I am not sure about that @modern pollen
modern pollen
Yes. Aiming. I’m missing a lot of shots that are normally dead on. Thx.
@lean wolf Thx. Couldn’t put my finger on it.
lean wolf
No problem, happy to help @modern pollen. So sad that they nerfed those two tanks though. They were so amazingly good...
modern pollen
I hear ya. It’s always tough, but so far my KV1 is still running 62+. We’ll see.
lean wolf
Well, the only good thing is everything else was nerfed too. Especially at tier 4-5
icy merlin
The duck is ruined!! I can’t pen the back of a kv 1!!!!!
modern pollen
The AMX 40? Isn’t that a collectible now? That’s quacked up.
jovial kernel
so is M7 prammo
brittle sigil
Fix the damn match making so we have even teams so it’s not pros vs 2 pros and 5 noobs
echo tendon
very nice thank you WG thanks a lot.
match making give Tiger I vs KV-4!!!! are you f*** kiding me!!! i cant any damage any of them!!!
indigo knot
Doesn't tiger 1 play like heavy medium
ivory fractal
@echo tendon watch your language pls
grand laurel
tribal summit
Afaik tiger1 have better pen than T32 so you can damage kv-4
shy wren
Sounds like the 8.8cm L/56 gun
tawny thunder
The pen on a lot of tank get lowed.
Not loving it. bad move for that topic WG
coarse meteor
yeah
also on some tanks the top gun is arguably worse than the stock gun, such as the sherman V. its stock gun has a much faster reload and act the same dmg but wg removed it
ember thunder
Why remove the derp gun from pz4...it was special for only that
Now its useless and have to sell it
shy wren
Armor is better for Pz IV. Now it’s harder to one shot the hull with KV2 HE
rough brook
What War Games did to the tier 5 Leo is absolutely sinful. It's a useless tank now. I'm scared to play any tank below tier 5 with the unspecified and undisclosed changes they made to these tanks.
remote valley
@rough brook u shudnt esp tier 4s... u always get matched up to tier 5s... imma wait till we see a wave of new players cming in...
ember thunder
?
hidden jewel
@brittle sigil:Fix the damn match making so we have even teams so it’s not pros vs 2 pros and 5 noobs.
That is not broken matchmaking. Its marketing aimed to show the noobs that they should invest gold/money for imediately updating their vehicles.
ember thunder
😑
quick lichen
@echo tendon how is it mm’s fault that you engaged a higher tiered heavy 1v1 without a gun capable of penetrating it? Did mm drive your tank for you?
true wedge
T-28 cant pen hetzer frontally now
quick lichen
Isn’t a T-28 a medium?
true wedge
10/10 balance
quick lichen
Don’t mediums flank other tanks?
true wedge
its handles like a boat and back then it could pen hetzer's lower front plate with the ZiS-4 which wargaming took away from it
now it can barely penetrate anything frontally and it turns like a boat so flanking is a no
quick lichen
Traverse doesn’t cancel flanking ability
languid hedge
You mean the L-10 75mm which I hate using it? I like the ZiS because you can penetrate any tank but with just lower damage and no armor
quick lichen
113 is an example of that
true wedge
the T-28 now only has the 76mm F-32
quick lichen
No 57?
languid hedge
Nope. No ZiS-4
quick lichen
Run cs and shoot gold when needed
true wedge
i shot HEAT at the hetzer's front didnt pen and all red
languid hedge
Wait T-28? That tank is a collectible tank. Of course it’ll get nerfed and removed
true wedge
yes, its now a crippled useless tank used to have 100+ pen now only 60
with that pen its useless
granite flicker
100 to 60 pen...LOL
shy wren
Basically A 32 gun?
true wedge
i'd be okay if the pen was still decent but no. they nerfed it down hard
granite flicker
U cant just do that to a tank thats only average....rite?
dapper osprey
Why should tier 7s face the vk 100? I really don’t think it was balanced for blitz :/
true wedge
the armor is bad, the turning speed turns like a yacht and the gun is now bad it was a glass cannon now its basically a T-26 fighting a Tiger
shy wren
Shoot lower plate for heavies, Russians use Prammo. Butter lower plate on 100.01 P
dapper osprey
Not in my medium ; (
true wedge
Premium Ammo costs a bit with creds
dapper osprey
I am making good credits in my T-43
shy wren
Mediums should not go face to face with a superheavy.
You’ll barely pen it with AP. Not guaranteed chance of pen with the Russian guns
true wedge
i make pretty good creds with my Scavenger
old anchor
Poor tanks that got nerfed by 5.5, this is very sad! Can we kill the heaviest tanks now? 😭
languid hedge
Hans, get ze Lüger
sour sparrow
@lean forge @lusty silo Can we get performance charts tier 8-10 for 5.4 ?
lean forge
@sour sparrow we'll publish them soon. got lot of other stuff to cover with the update and upcoming twister
rocky storm
The luchs cant turn anymore
inland idol
Neither can the T67's turret. The turret traverse got nerfed into the ground.
rocky storm
It already was slow atleaston pc
uncut raptor
Rating is so Dead
unique scaffold
Please restore the AT-1 76 mm, the 57 mm and 9 seconds of reload don't make sense, it's like I go in front of enemies with white flag
inner comet
Pls buff the traverse of the luchs
solemn mortar
Pz 3/4 kindda not balance after the nerf of it engine and armor.
unique scaffold
🤣 🤣 🤣
The point was to get players out of lower tiers. They aren't going to remove the Nerfs that they just put in place.
I just talked about it in #general-blitz-discussion
Why does everyone keep repeating the same complaints like READ
solemn mortar
Welp it was my credit collector tank.fav tank for tournament 5-6
boreal finch
Vk 100.01p is OP. I have played 60 games in it and have 75%wr.
woven harness
Panzer iv lost hp to have 95mm of frontal hull armour, thats even more than a T-150 (on paper)
rocky storm
Please give back hetzers 10.5
jovial kernel
No
shell wyvern
Simple balance: NERF KV-2
obsidian osprey
Hetzer was fine. Derp was balanced by poor mobility and the fact that it saw tier 5s like the Leo that chewed it up. KV-2, 183, and T82 are/were much more unpleasant
slender briar
Replace KV2 with T150
charred narwhal
Kv2 must stay. It’s a massive meme and helps keep tier 6 balanced from all the little Leo’s running around in no armour.
slender briar
Ok, but it loses everything but the 122
charred narwhal
I’ll quit the game if the 152 is removed from it. It’s funny also that the 122 actually wasn’t supposed to be mounted on it. They were more into the raw damage that an artillery cannon could do.
severe valve
KV2 should be massively nerfed or have it switched with the T150. Completely illogical move since they were trying to get away from players using derp guns.
dim field
Moment of silence for all the tier 5 that could have a chance against a kv-2 but got nerfed.
severe valve
Thats the dumbest part. How tf is an M7 with a 2 shot autoloader that dishes 60dmg per clip supposed to do anything to a KV2
chrome epoch
Good it was tier 4'd
severe valve
There are maybe 3 tanks in the game at 5 that stand a chance against a KV2 now
dim field
Leo and stug used to do alright, but no more derp stug and leo lost it's speed and clip power (which leo was a pain to fight as a tier 4)
severe valve
stug was never supposed to use derp anyway
nocturne jetty
World of nerf slogan: it’s nerf or nothing
severe valve
I'm fine with them shaving down tech trees to simplify the game. I'm not ok with them claiming to make it more logically progressive and then saying: "but KV-2 is much more popular tank among our players than T-150. It has big history in WoT Blitz and provides unusual gameplay that is loved by many tankers. That’s why the decision was made to keep KV-2, not T-150. "
if everyone likes the damn KV2 so much, make it a collectible tank and put it on sale. You want to be a plague on the game? You're gonna pay for it.
severe valve
there were tanks above tier 5 that had changes made to them. So no, I don't see why it is untouched
quick lichen
Only collector tanks
severe valve
the mere removal of tanks like the t-150 from the tech tree and the higher prevalence of weaker armored tanks due to that removal at tiers 5 and 6 create an inherent balance issue
that's like removing some of the heavier armored vehicles from tier 10. The 183 would see so much more play because you would have so many more reliable, consistent HESH penetrations.
charred narwhal
Is this because you can’t play kv2 well or you alway get killed when you play tier 5-7. Or was t150 just a kv1 for the tier 6 and you liked it?
severe valve
Neither, it is because there is a balance issue in the game that turns the idea of helping new players out on it's head
WG even changed the XP requirements to reach tier 5. Even when you get your first tier 6, you're still going to be very fresh.
mellow cape
Yeah all it really does is push players faster into higher tiers where they will face KV2 and quit the game because it one-shots them
severe valve
WG tells players derp guns are bad and removes them at lower tiers, and then encourage it by keeping a tank like the KV2 there. Does that make sense to you?
dim field
If they had removed kv-2 instead of t-150, all the older players would still have it but the new players never could get it.
I think they should have kept both
mellow cape
I think they should have not removed any tanks
dim field
Not removing tanks would have been nice
severe valve
@dim field that's perfectly fine. They have done that on PC on numerous occasions for tanks like the 183, 215B, and Foch 155.
umbral hound
Can they remove the gravedigger 😄
severe valve
I wonder if the gravedigger is a nerfable tank since it isn't a premium by the look of it
charred narwhal
Like I said about the hetzer derp removal. Why prolong what will always happen? Instead of getting derped at tier 3-4 they will get derped at 5-6
glass coral
It will be nerfed. Grave's clip is too long.
severe valve
yeah, so if WG's stance is to remove derp guns from the game, you might as well take it up to tier 6 where derp guns can 1 shot people. Even a 183 cannot 1 shot any tier 9 tank
mellow cape
@severe valve it can on max rolls
glass coral
I doubt they'd dare touch kv2. Stat wise. It's too much of an icon for the game.
stoic pebble
Well there are a few T9 TDs that can be but otherwise they'll just become a cripple for the rest of the match
umbral hound
I hope the grave digger is nerfable. Really hard to deal with as aT6
severe valve
@mellow cape which happens how often for tanks like the 183
glass coral
I once oneshota tier 6 russian td using kv2. Fun fun fun
severe valve
The KV2 can 1 shot any tier 5 tank with a sub average roll with HE. And it is not like tier 5 tanks bar the KV1 have adequate armor profiles to deal with that weaponry.
mellow cape
Even kv-1 can be one shotted on the lower plate
glass coral
Eh. I tend to get sub par rolls of around 400 to 500 damage.
severe valve
@mellow cape Absolutely.
@glass coral that's because you need to aim more.
glass coral
What would be awesome is if someone can train me so I can reliably kill someone's turret ring.
mellow cape
Also on blitz Derp guns will nearly always be unbalanced because of one fundamental difference, the amount of players
severe valve
Correct 1/7 is a lot more than 1/15
glass coral
I only did it once. Not sure how to kill someone's turret ring.
mellow cape
@glass coral turret ring can be seen easily on tanks like e100
severe valve
Additionally, consider the T49. Is it sensible to have a tank that has a 152 and does less alpha damage than a KV2, that mounts the same caliber weapon, 2 tiers lower?
There is an obvious balance issue that should be addressed.
glass coral
How could I do it on other tanks @mellow cape
mellow cape
Maybe if we had 15v15 or 10v10 battles in blitz it would be more balanced
unique scaffold
@severe valve good God, if WG nerfed the KV-2 ( and they should) the crying that followed would raise the sea level 3-5 inches.
severe valve
@unique scaffold absolutely, but not as bad as 3.8
shut wigeon
Kv-2 needs he pen nerf and muzzle velocity nerf.
mellow cape
@glass coral you will need to go to armour inspector and check where the turret ring is for every tank since it's different for every tank
glass coral
I know everyone would hate it, but if artillery was introduced, wouldn't they have to make bigger maps and bigger teams? And Kv2 is fine as it is imo due to the slow ass reload
severe valve
They can't shoot you back if they're dead in one shot.
shut wigeon
@glass coral That reload is not that long since it can one shot every damn tier 5 and some tier 6 tanks.
dim field
T49 has a nice balance, it's a glasscannon that can be one shot (or close to one shot) by other tanks of it's tier. Tanks like Isu-152 for example. Not many t6 tanks come to mind that could 1 shot a kv-2 except another kv-2 perhaps
unique scaffold
@severe valve it would be like 5.5 all over again. Lots of players coming out of the woodwork whining because someone stole their crutches.
glass coral
Thats what i mean @shut wigeon. Also, if artillery was ever introduced, doesn't it mean bt7art would become artillery?
slender briar
Hint, it's where the turret connects to the hull
true wedge
this match boy oh boy was it easy being the top tier with another tier 5 facing tier 4s and well tier 4s are nerfed so they have less of a chance
severe valve
This is like the update the M60 was the most OP tier 10 medium because of unnerfed HEAT pen. Everyone who owned it said it was balanced and then it got nerfed, and none of those people who tried to pass it off as OK kept on driving it.
mellow cape
@slender briar yeah but it is impossible to hit it on some tanks from the front like is7
glass coral
Also on other versions, is bt7art artillery?
unique scaffold
You know what is crazy OP now?
The Angry Connor
mellow cape
@glass coral t82 is also artillery
dim field
Is it really? The angry connor i mean.
slender briar
KV-2 as well
shut wigeon
@glass coral Bt-7 arty is not an arty in wot pc. Its a light tank.
mellow cape
KV-2 isn't artillery, su-152 is
glass coral
But it has "artillery" in the name
true relic
yeah lots of tanks are SPG's (Self Prepelled Gun)
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold You cant be serious. I have that tank should i give it a go again?
dim field
Nachos, i love your pfp
unique scaffold
@dim field. Yes. Two thirds of the tanks it goes up against just got nerfed. Autoloaders are a shell of what they were and derp guns got nailed hard. Meanwhile the Angry Connor has it's tier 7 gun and monster dpm.
slender briar
Rip toaster, I'll miss KV-2ing you
glass coral
Tbh I think I'd be good at artillery. Moving after a shot and all. Also, how many times have you ever encounter connor? I haven't. Been playing for two years
mellow cape
Angry Connor also has an insane credit coefficient
dim field
Bought Angry Connor for me and my bro last time it was on sale, just for the laughs (it's a unique gem). Sounds like we'll need to Toon with it again.
glass coral
I have never seen angry Connor in battle. Its rarity as of right now seems to balance it
true relic
@dim field thanks
everybody will shoot AP at my toaster in like 4 months bc they wont know what it is, while i steamroll them with my tier VIII 8,8 cm flak cannon of destruction. Really. reloads faster than the 76 on the Sherman
mellow cape
I honestly think it was a bad update because of the sudden jump from tier 5 to 6, it was quite smooth before
winged gull
Yea the toasters are suddenly fun
dim field
I don't consider rarity of a tank to be a balancing factor.
Assume you encounter it, what downside does it being rare give you while fighting it?
true relic
my reload is like 8.7 its so fun
shut wigeon
Did they touched kv 220t?
true relic
no
clever mauve
bt7 art is the new op tank low tier
winged gull
Bt-7 art and Ke-ni otsu are now the tanks you DON'T want to see in LT lol
true relic
no, has trash pen
winged gull
Actually it ain't that bad, you just want to keep a good safe perimeter between the tank you're shooting at and yourself, as the camo is now important. Play it like a sniping TD
jovial kernel
BT-7 art got nerfed by the fact that the Pz. III is now tier 3
true relic
- long reload
- AP only does 120
- no armor
- slow turret traverse
- better tanks exist, such as Pz. III and Crusier IV
winged gull
Yea cruiser IV still is a little beast
jovial kernel
no one uses the BT-7 art AP dude
winged gull
That's like using AP on the KV-2s Derp. Just stupid
jovial kernel
the HE literally has un nerfed penetration and with calibrated shells it goes through 42mm of armor
mellow cape
@winged gull kv2 ap is sometimes useful when you just can't pen with HE
winged gull
I use it verry rarely man, mainly because of the low shell velocity. Tbh I barely play the KV-2 at all. Mainly CDC, SU-100Y, Batchat etc
I love my fast movin', well traversing things. Wish I had the drac to fill my collection tho
tame rover
My friend is going to get kv-2 soon, working twords bat-chat & has amx CDC, su-100y, oof
mellow cape
I play a variety of different tanks, completed IS7 line and I am planning to start is4 line now
tame rover
Cool
winged gull
The KV-2 is just that one tank I can't get rid off lol. Sold it in 5.4 to free a spot for a future collector, it came back from its own in 5.5 because of the T-150 🙄
tame rover
Rip my loltracktor it got nerfed out of the game
winged gull
Almost like Stalin is talking to me; Goddammit green, the KV-2 was the first tank you got in Tier 6, weather you like it or not, YOU WILL PLAY IT OR GO TO GULAG
tame rover
...oooof lol...
winged gull
It's just a big ass salt shaker tank, fits right in there with the SU-100Y, Ke-ni otsu, Bt7 arty, T49, pretty much every light French and the TOG
tame rover
Lol
jovial kernel
VK 100.01 is a salt shaker
winged gull
Oh and the Jagdpanzer IV, I think that's just the biggest Nemesis of the KV-2 (gets under the KV-2's depression with face hugging)
lunar brook
I prefer that they had balanced in month of clearing tanks, now I have 34 to sell to get gold.
mellow cape
And gets HEed on the top of roof for one hit kill
tame rover
Yet kv2 can use Stalin guided shells to kill most tanks with one shot with derp gun lol
winged gull
Nah, the VK100 is easy to deal with once you know the weak spots. The lower glacisplate is weak as butter, and people overğangle it verry fast
jovial kernel
I mean I just shoot skill rounds at the cupola because they tend to be smart enough to hide the lower plate
mellow cape
@winged gull and what if you hide it?
austere saffron
Hey Ivan give me some o dat vodka
Here cyka (Throws vodka to commander)
(The vodka hits the gun trigger by accident)
(A 152mm he shell one shots a tank)
Ay blyet
A KV-2 in a nutshell
winged gull
Let's get a 13 75 or a 13 90 on that (or any hifh DPM moving dipshit for that matter)
tame rover
Ah good to know got into a fight with a vk during a battle in my Amx 50 100 (and won because I lit his engine on fire and it burned down his tank)
winged gull
It's German high tier, so aim for the transmission or engine. Verry high chance of fire.
tame rover
Yeah, man the reload for 4 shell magazine is crap but 4 shells comes in handy alot of the time
jovial kernel
actually a lot of german tanks got the transmission unlinked from the engine module, not the TDs though
mellow cape
Yes e50m is one of these
winged gull
The engines and the transmissions are to the Germans as the ammo-racks are to the Chinese and the IS-7
austere saffron
Rip mini maus
mellow cape
Worst transmission is in the case of the flatpanzer literally anything destroys your engine
jovial kernel
oh yeah lol but 3200 dpm
tame rover
Is Amx 50 B a good teir 10? I'm grinding for Amx 50 120 then Amx 50 B
jovial kernel
50 B you gotta watch out for 183s, your turret is only 150mm thick