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#tank-balance-discussion
tired sorrel
quick lichen
Also t95 and e3 have 305
ember thunder
Hi
My name is Salt...
I love you
tired sorrel
i miss them sorry @quick lichen
quick lichen
263 isn’t as strong as you’d think
shy wren
Best tank in terms of armor is the Maus. If that’s what you want
ember thunder
XD
shy wren
It’s OP because it’s easy to play and not many people have it after the 2016 Halloween event.
A good player will know how to counter it tho.
ember thunder
.... its not easy to play
Have u driven a maus before?
dim field
I think they mean helsing
shy wren
Wrong phrasing.
The people who play them knew how to play the Helsing
Was referring to Russian Bias
ember thunder
Oh..ffs
shy wren
I’ve played a Superheavy before, the KV-4. It’s a tricky tank to ace actually.
Miss it actually, since selling it for the ST-I
No comeback from the one who says that Helsings HO are just blatantly OP? Ok then.
jovial kernel
tbf it is blatantly op
shy wren
From my experience, not really so
jovial kernel
Compare it to the IS and KV-13. It does both of their jobs, but better.
quaint beacon
@shy wren You want him to come back?
shy wren
Welp, he’s back guys
9 and counting
bold zephyr
Slow mode is stupid balance slow mode from 45s to 20 or 15 seconds
shy wren
Leave the 15s to the open communication
jade cargoBOT
Russian Bias#3128 was banned
shy wren
Hmm, he really cannot wait
quick lichen
Nope
thick sandal
Helsing is perfect tank, 63%vr, over 1k battles... slow turret is only weakness...
proven helm
I dont think perfect is a good term to describe it.
thick sandal
For me, the best tank in tier7
compact sundial
Gravedigger would beat it out on armor...most tanks can't pen the front and sides ;-;
prime oracle
Gravedigger has a sht gun
compact sundial
Yep, to compesate for the NUKE-proof armor is my guess
prime oracle
But it's kinda balanced
open hedge
How many times have I found myself in the middle of opposition when they don’t even show? That’s not lag.
compact sundial
It's a good tank for survivability in, but it also puts a GIANT target on you as a player in battle.
indigo knot
Is update really on 13th
jovial kernel
most likely
unique scaffold
when it fake..
unique scaffold
Mm is fine.
obtuse bay
Lol it's a Joke bro the MM is the best sh1t 1ng mm of MMO
unique scaffold
English please
jovial kernel
MM is completely random, what do you expect? It just cobbles together whatever people are playing those tiers.
acoustic burrow
One time this happened to me .. like all my team was afk and when the first enemy tank come all wake d up and i won it
Random match
bold zephyr
Please buff FV215B 183 IT NEED BETTER ENGINE WITH 5000 horse power and have 80 kph top speed and lets not forget 5s shell reload
ember thunder
@bold zephyr XD
IN UR DREAMS
jovial kernel
you forgot the 82789327498325mm pen on HESH
unique scaffold
Don't you mean HEAT?
jovial kernel
no hesh
unique scaffold
Oh sorry about that, my mistake
bold zephyr
You guys are messing the point 5k alpha
hidden solstice
If the fv 183 needs that then the T110E3 need armor to match ×10 because it just does
bold zephyr
T110E3 needs RU-251 mobility pronto
jovial kernel
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hidden solstice
@bold zephyr no it needs better mobility
bold zephyr
And get rid of that pimple on the top the T110E3 is under powered
hidden solstice
It also needs the gun from the t92 hmc with the same reload it has now (the gun before the damage nerf)
bold zephyr
Lol is that an artelary?
hidden solstice
Yes from woT PC
bold zephyr
Yeah I have it on there lol
hidden solstice
Then the E3 would be balanced
bold zephyr
Yeah it is way under powered just like the maus it need at least 640 alpha and 500mm turret
And 70 kph top speed
hidden solstice
Wtf it's not changing what I said I can't edit it
bold zephyr
Slow mode it sucks
hidden solstice
I'm trying to say of not or
bold zephyr
Lol what
hidden solstice
What i said about the t1 it won't let me change or to of
acoustic burrow
Perfect tank is : Maus armor , bulldog movement , ru top speeds, jagd e 100 penetration , fv 183 damage , keny reloads and bc 25 t range spot
tired sorrel
Vehicle with more HP?[HorsePower}
fierce rock
@acoustic burrow Fun fact: M60, m48 patton and stb-1 has better view range then bc 25t.
acoustic burrow
Sry my bad i am not rich to have this tanks xd
fierce rock
@acoustic burrow You dont need to be rich to learn this informations. You can check all tanks view range from in game stats.
acoustic burrow
Meh for me wot armor inspector dosen t work so i am not surprissed if the game stats dosen t work :))
Or you mean in the game ?
fierce rock
Game stats works just fine.
unique scaffold
Pls buff VK 45.02 A its not good enough to fight vs tier 8 and 9
jovial kernel
It's good enough to fight tier 8 mediums
glad creek
So is Hellcat and Jagpanzer E100. The jg is a HEAT magnet to the face and the other tank destroyers use AP with their high pen. Hellcat is very bad in armor. It needs at least a turret boost
jovial kernel
If you're spotted in the open and staying still in the Hellcat you're doing it wrong.
unique scaffold
Bingo
jovial kernel
Bad Hellcat drivers are a KV-2 driver's wet dream.
glad creek
And the driving on the hellcat is ugh
jovial kernel
Have you tried not being spotted and then getting out of there the moment that light bulb pops?
glad creek
Yes
acoustic burrow
The moment when you start a match in kv 2 and in like 5 second you are still in spawn and you get spotted .... another 5 second you are dead
glad creek
The hard turns are difficult when I see a KV2
unique scaffold
This is hilarious
worthy jasper
Don’t you think it is pretty fun when you have a team full of Heavy tanks that decide to camp behind the TANK DESTROYERS
Needless to say, my team got slaughtered quicker than the prisoners in gulags
small flame
Hey man jokes about people in gulags aren’t very funny
static gale
Prisoner talking about prisoners
toxic wren
cobalt quiver
What do you think about the IS 3 defender?
formal spear
Don't u hate when u get shot when the light bulb barely shows up
unique scaffold
I hate that i drove today with my k91 literally 100 m from a borsig and he was in sánd river in the corner right in the open
I wasnt able to spot him
We nearly Lost that
I got spoted
Could not figure out he was that close to me
dreamy trail
Oof
plush field
@formal spear the light bulb comes on 3 seconds after you have been spotted.
formal spear
Ik
versed lark
That a little late for a response on that topic
formal spear
Ik ik ik
formal spear
Ok ik
plucky acorn
VK 45.02 A is a good tank
dusky birch
How is it set the match making? I wonder because I always get morons as team mates..... and opposite team are usually pretty decent.....
Specially lately
jovial kernel
It's literally random
flat maple
The conqueror with the type b barrel is so bad
half veldt
What has kept the Ke-Ni Otsu from being nerfed all this time? IIRC, WG tried to take away the tank from players when they realized it was broken, but there was a lot of outrage, so they had to return them.
What stopped them from nerfing it immediately?
late hemlock
I’d rather have a gun handling buff
small flame
I would personally very much like them adding the XM-1 or the first variant of the Abrams as a tier X premium.
Feel free to @ me or dm to debate it
jovial kernel
Ah yes, because composite armor with the mobility of the Cromwell and armor of the E 100 would totally be fair.
burnt lava
What about the gun? Gun of the Grille 15?
static gale
Ye M829 depleted uranium shot is all we need at T10 not to mention ceramic armor
icy merlin
I’ll take balanced for 700 slav(EU)
sharp burrow
Who is complaining about the vk 45 a?
hollow crescent
It's a reliable tank, maybe a bit lack of frontal armor
sharp burrow
Good reload decent pen not great armour but if you can angle it it’s pretty reliable, it’s my favourite tank, I aced it in 8 games
hollow crescent
I've played it too, i liked it, 45 b too and maus is OP i love it
But i prefer my batshit
sharp burrow
Vk 45 b is wonderful but I can’t play it because my teammates are always bots so it just ruins my stats
hearty marsh
I am really not looking forward to the new tech tree changes
void patrol
Same
atomic hound
@hollow crescent ok, never again will I call that tank the batchat... 😂
hollow crescent
:)
sage mauve
hello
void patrol
Would anyone play the Pz I C if:
-Tier X
-Credit coeff of 180%
-1500hp
-55km/h top speed
-7.92mm MG with 290mm of pen on AP(no apcr), HE with 3mm of pen.
-40 shots per clip, 10 damage per shot for AP, 12 for HE. Clip reload 7s
-30mm front armor
upper socket
shy wren
That’s 3.4k dpm
void patrol
Too high or not high enough?
shy wren
That doesn’t count burst time
If burst time is accounted for, let’s say 2s; the DPM might be 2666.67dpm
wary holly
is this satan
shy wren
Probably
If the burst time is 3s, the DPM would be one of the lowest at tier X, at 2400dpm
late hemlock
What’s the point of the HE lol
void patrol
How about belt fed, so 200 per clip, 10s reload? And 10s to empty one clip? MG 13 has a fire rate of 600 rounds per min, and there are 2 MGs mounted. @shy wren
@late hemlock Anti-Grille ammunition. Or just pegging people very quickly for track/module damage.
shy wren
Too OP; that’s gonna give you 6000DPM
void patrol
Very nice. Clear a Jpz E-100 with one clip
hearty marsh
Yeah we need some More OP T10 tanks bro
shy wren
Make that 90 rounds instead; you’ll get 2700DPM with 900dmg burst
void patrol
Too low. 100?
shy wren
3000DPM
1000Dmg per burst, 300 rounds per minute
void patrol
Not too bad. Comparable to TDs and not as broken as Leo. And don’t forget it has 0 armor
shy wren
If it has 10 shots, it’ll fire 10 rounds per tap, like the AT 7
void patrol
Nah. MG, not autoloader.
late hemlock
What if it just did hella module damage
void patrol
Then it achieved its purpose
true crypt
SU 85 was OP at one point of time
void patrol
how?
fiery cairn
Emil speed buff
true crypt
@void patrol cause of the DPM,DPS and speed , but since the update where the provisions were changed , its now just eh
fallow spade
I feel that the Is8 is underpowered, it doesn’t have enough armor to be a true heavy, but it doesn’t have enough mobility to make up for the lack of that armor. It’s dpm is ok but nothing outstanding and the health pool is kinda bad as well. It’s almost like a strict downgrade from the ST-I
brave dragon
I struggled with the is8 as well, fwiw
fallow spade
Yeah, it’s a huge struggle for anyone to get the is7 which I think is quite popular
Also it would be cool if they changed the name to t-10
dapper osprey
Any tips to play leo1?
atomic hound
Use bushes, snipe from mid range, move to positions with shots that are at other angles to your allies, don't trade shots.
Your main advantage is your mobility, make sure you don't get trapped into a position as you'll die fast.
icy merlin
Anyone think the AMX 13 90 should be buffed? 2/3 of it are tier 7 not tier 8.
unique scaffold
I agree maybe penetration 175 struggles so much against sloped armor :/
craggy dust
Why buffed?
atomic hound
Use calibrated shells, it isn't that bad, will deal with meds, most TDs, and lights frontally with little issue, if you're shooting standard rounds into the front of heavies like the e75 you're doing it wrong.
craggy dust
That’s the whole point use your speed against heavies
wispy sigil
Any tips for AMX 13 90 ???
ivory fractal
@unique scaffold English only pls
somber mauve
Conqueror? It's an excellent tank at tier 9 imo. It has the best heavy tank gun (120mm) on any given heavy tank
white haven
like 100k exp before u get it tho
somber mauve
@white haven that's a reason why you save up free exp 🙃
white haven
so true
acoustic burrow
save free xp for BLITZ "Unfair"
jovial kernel
Blitz (un)fair
soft rune
meaw...
sharp mantle
Whens 5.4 out?
unique scaffold
@sharp mantle about a month ago.
plush umbra
i think 13 november or something like that
sharp mantle
Thanks, now I know I can grind the vk
sharp mantle
Oh
lean forge
@shut wigeon say it to my RU 251 👀
unique scaffold
Hat wer Bock zu. Spielen??
wet quail
Buff 183 😁
unique scaffold
@shut wigeon. Light tanks are game changing if played right.
The problem is that players don't play their roles. They think they can brawl a heavy in a light tank or that yoloing is the right way to go... That isn't a light tank problem it's a player education problem.
magic prism
when the team dies too quickly it’s almost impossible to win in a light tank. But light tanks are fantastic support vehicles
unique scaffold
And lights can be game changers in the end game.
I tend to aggressively scout, lure the reds towards the greens, fall back through the greens, flank around the reds, engage the best targets while trying to split / distract the reds, then when possible race in and mop up.
Lights are team dependant but at the same time they are great at setting the terms of the engagement.
stuck umbra
How about adding APCR gun for IS5? Just like it is with IS6?
visual nimbus
Lights are an essential part of the team if played right.
sharp wind
IS-8 is op
sharp mantle
Damn right
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold Heavies can be game changers in the end game. There is a reason why everyone spams heavy tanks in tier 8 tournaments.
unique scaffold
@shut wigeon I've killed 2 mediums and a heavy in under 15 seconds in a light. There aren't many heavies that can do that.
jovial kernel
I'm guessing this light was french
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold Maybe because they are garbage players? As i told you there is a reason why everyone spamming heavh tanks. Its meta.
unique scaffold
A. Tournament ≠ public matches.
B. Nobody is saying heavies aren't relevant. I'm saying that lights are relevant.
C. A good player is going to be more flexible in a med or light then they will be in a heavy.
shut wigeon
Good player will still play good with a sturer emil. But that doesnt mean sturer emil is an amazing tank.
Also heavy tanks have much higher winrates then light tanks.
Who cares being flexable? You will be enough flexable in an is-spam tank with god level armor.
unique scaffold
Are you just here to argue?
More then one type of tank can be relevant. Lights are relevant. Heavies are relevant.
deep egret
Hello
shut wigeon
Lights are underpowered compared to heavy tanks.
Im not trying to argue anything here.You are saying light tanks are fine just because you can do something in random which enemy team can be full of noobs. You arent giving any reasonable explanation. All you saying is i killed meds with my light tank so they are fine.
They arent fine. Get over it.
Even tho tier 7 lights are utter garbage with some exceptions.
unique scaffold
The majority of the lights are acceptable. They play their role fine. If they were buffed so that the average 40%er could do well in them you'd have games where a 60%er would own any match they played in them.
dusky wolf
while seeing some bois playing speedies like TD and camps far behind
even there's 2-3 HT in squad, and all of them still acts like TD.
unique scaffold
lights aren't underpowered, its just harder to use it correctly than heavies
dusky wolf
TBH, why don't those bois buy a TD instead using non-TD tanks and acting like a true TD player.
unique scaffold
Im suprised that no one spoke about meds yet
dusky wolf
For me, meds are literally supersized LTs. but somewhat well balanced.
unique scaffold
The leopard (Tier V) is a fat light
dusky wolf
A LT secretly working out, same as VK 28.01.
unique scaffold
Some german meds are bigger than some heavies
shut wigeon
Most fair thing to do for tier 7 is buffing all light tanks hp to 1150 same as type62 and along with it amx 13 75,t71, spıc needs another buff to their gun or mobility. Also amx 13 57 needs its camo rating fixed its unusable now.
When it comes to tier 8 Ru251 could use some mobility buff(Dont tell me it has amazing mobility with 80 kmh top speed, it has garbage p/w ratio which leads takes forever to reach that speed.) and amx 13 90 could use some reload speed to magazine it takes so much time which leads crappy dpm.
@dusky wolf Mediums are not well balanced in tier 8. Some of them have the worst overall winrates.
unique scaffold
The IS-8 is a light tank
The maus is a medium
dusky wolf
i guess i went T-54/Type 59 went too far also tier 9 leopard prototype.
shut wigeon
T54 mod 1 and 59 are well performing meds. While panther 2 has awfull winrates compared to them.
unique scaffold
Players inability to play them does not necessarily mean they are bad tanks.
shut wigeon
If they were viable pros would use them in tournaments.
unique scaffold
If I put a 5 year old behind the wheel of a Infiniti Q50 that doesn't make it a bad car.
And once again ...
Tournaments ≠ Public matches
shut wigeon
Tournaments=Most viable tactics only=Heavy spam.
unique scaffold
Irrelevant to public matches
dusky wolf
A master knows how to use bad stuff to against/tilt the odds and conquer or creating more win oppotunity.
cyan vine
I think Some lower Glacis on some tanks need to be buffed
dusky wolf
Bad driver having good car, maybe it seems good. but still wasted most of it's best protential.
cyan vine
(Fv215B and E100 cough cough) AMX AC 48 needs a buff on top hatch
shut wigeon
It does. In randoms still heavy spam is the most efective tactic. If your team has more heavies then other team (especially when your team filled with is-spam tanks) you have higher chances to win that match.
dusky wolf
If you had deep pocket like spoiled kiddo that stole parents credits card, yea...
And panther 2 would be a sad MT since it's more like a mobile TD but low pen and not that fast also too tall to hide the body.
long 88 seems good, but it just makes panther like prone to snipe only.
shut wigeon
Panther 2 and panther 8.8 needs 8.8cm kwk l100 gun from e50m. With that buff both panthers can do their job with much more effiency.
unique scaffold
I've seen matches where the MM puts 4 lights against 4 heavies. This was in tier VIII and the lights tore the heavies apart. Superior view range and the ability hit, reposition, and hit again won the game with ease.
I've got other things to do. To say lights aren't relevant is ridiculous.
I haven't been playing much lately because I've been busy and I'm kind of burned out on the game but I'm sitting at a 74% average win-rate in my high tier lights right now.
Seems relevant to me.
jovial kernel
Here's a rule. If I can do well in a light tank, then that light tank is too good.
dusky wolf
Besides panthers overall armor just saying i am target pratice, pls hit me hard and end my suffering asap.
main vine
I’d much rather play a tier 7 light than a tier 7 heavy
lone warren
id rather not play tier 7. lol
main vine
^ that too
jovial kernel
the Aufklarungspanzer Panther would be a neat addition to the game
dusky wolf
i'd brings KV-2/SU-152 with 152 derps to send tier 7 lights to GULAG.
shy wren
Lights are fun to play; you’ll have to adapt to a steep learning curve to master them
lone warren
Ru is one of my most played such a good tank i love it
dusky wolf
While there's T-54 ltwt that got more T H I C C armor than most MTs in tier 8
shut wigeon
"I've seen matches where the MM puts 4 lights against 4 heavies. This was in tier VIII and the lights tore the heavies apart. Superior view range and the ability hit, reposition, and hit again won the game with ease."
Those doesnt work against skilled heavy drivers because they can easily predict which place you come. Also you need to aim very carefully to pen them while they dont even need to aim at all.
Even if this possible tier 8 tournaments would be filled with full of light tanks. Thats NOT possible thats why they dont use them. It seems working in theory but not works in action.
Also that list only have 5 battles with them. So its not proving anything.
main vine
But assuming both drivers are of equal skill, the light driver can use the mobility and camo to create a significant advantage over the heavy tank
unique scaffold
@main vine. Bingo. This guy has heavy blinders on🤣
dusky wolf
As long as not those RNG with IS series spaced armor
shy wren
5 battles? You must’ve forgotten that the ltwt is also tier VIII
unique scaffold
the guy must really have something agaisnt light/mt 🤣
dusky wolf
Which it's truly broken LT for me so far. i mean look at that turret armor, better than most MTs in tier 8
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold Im not against the lights. Im against the damn HEAVY SPAM thats why i want buff for them.
unique scaffold
so you have something agaisnt mt?
main vine
what
unique scaffold
lights are perfectly fine IMO
fallow spade
Why would you buff something that’s spammed already
shut wigeon
@fallow spade Who spams light tanks?
dusky wolf
so... asking buffing heavies?
fallow spade
Oh wait, you meant buff the lights?
unique scaffold
he mean buff lights
If you noticeably buff the lights they are going to become massively over powered in the hands of a good player.
prisma dune
@unique scaffold The more experienced I get the more I prefer the flexibility of meds. Heavies can be too one trick pony sometimes. Meds just can make themselves relevant by getting to critical positions as critical times of battle. I’m still a heavy centric player.
shy wren
RU already have very good DPM
T49 has derp
AMX has 675 clip potential
ltwt has armor
Don’t think they really need a buff; they fill their niches quite well
shut wigeon
Thats why i want a slight buff. I dont want them to be overpowered either.
unique scaffold
it's already pretty good in the hands of good player, if you are saying it's bad then it's really the driver not the tank
dusky wolf
i guess MT truly needed buff according to those LT traits especially Panther 2. Heavies? maybe not those IS series
unique scaffold
he only want the buff for LT not MT somehow
"FordToday at 06:52
@B_Huff [FEAST] Im not against the lights. Im against the damn HEAVY SPAM thats why i want buff for them."
lone warren
imagine if ru gets buff pfft
prisma dune
@lone warren I’d still yolo in it. Lol
jovial kernel
RU gets HESH as well
shut wigeon
@shy wren Ru is extremely big target and its p/w ratio isnt very great.
T49 is fine.
675 clip potential doesnt back up its disadvantages.
Ltwt is fine.
lone warren
RU gets 100mm more of HE pen
jovial kernel
"RU" "extremely big" found the ELC driver
timid glen
shuddum and shoot somfin
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel Ru hep is mostly useless against is-spam tanks. Every game is filled with full of is-spam tanks.
lone warren
Ru isnt that big its kinda low profile turrets not that big just keep moving at 70-80
unique scaffold
that's not true ru is pretty good if you use it correctly like any other tanks
timid glen
wow this channel is insane. i had to disable my voice to lolz
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold Being possible doesnt make it balanced.
jovial kernel
The RU's HE shells don't work on the sides of IS tanks because they have spaced armor. Try aiming through the tracks.
unique scaffold
you are obviously not using it correctly that why you think its not balanced?
lone warren
so many scrubs drive the ru though and die in 1 second flat a little piece of me dies everytime i see this
shy wren
If anything, the TT Mediums are the ones that are a bit underpowered
jovial kernel
And how is the RU "extremely large" u wat
dusky wolf
Mediums are not well balanced in tier 8. Some of them have the worst overall winrates. As Ford said.
lone warren
If the ru is massive then the Spic must be larger than a maus
shut wigeon
Btw this is my amx 13 57 winrate after 20 games even with broken camo.
jovial kernel
If you think the RU is massive you have never driven any Centurion tank or the CDC.
unique scaffold
ru isn't balanced is seriously ridiculous imo
lone warren
ru251 is god
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold Ru has garbage overall winrates. Explain this then if you think its petfectly balanced.
jovial kernel
The RU has bad win rates because noobs yolo and get blapped.
unique scaffold
just because players can't use it correctly doesn't mean the tank is not balanced?
@shut wigeon you aren't getting it. A good light driver relies on map knowledge, situational awareness, and a general knowledge of tactics to play well. There is no way to buff a light tank to make a 40%er have this knowledge and if you were to try you would make the tank an absolute beast in the hands of a good player.
shy wren
A good player knows how abuse it’s strengths
A bad player typically yolos
lone warren
^ exactly the ru is an op af tank in the right player
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold Then explain m8 why good players doesnt use them?
jovial kernel
It's like saying autoloaders are bad because noobs don't know how to use them.
shy wren
I don’t have RU yet; got ltwt. It’s fun
dusky wolf
Except paper armor, speedy and firepowers speaks opposite. And i would say tier rushing skrubs keep farming exp from it.
unique scaffold
maybe they don't feel like it? maybe they are too lazy to grind it? there's so many reasons that people don't play a tank but the tank itself is balanced
lone warren
@shy wren u should get ru if ur not a bot its very fun and not that much grind
shy wren
Hating the SP 1c atm, rage sold it
dusky wolf
for me, i grind tier 8 premiums for extra creds more than using other tier 8 non prems
jovial kernel
If you want noobs to do well, give every single 40%er a WZ-120-1 FT. They simply won't do well in a light tank because they can't hold themselves back from over using their speed.
shut wigeon
@shy wren Spıc is utterly garbage.
lone warren
I’d take my ru over many tier 8 mediums or other lights
jovial kernel
I bet that if you gave the IS-3 the RU 251's speed, noobs would do worse because they would rush, be surrounded, and killed.
unique scaffold
Good players do use them.
Plenty are on here telling you that right now.
Either way I'm done. Don't ping me again.
shy wren
That was 9 months ago, haven’t bought it back, so Idk about now.
dusky wolf
or Giving AT-15/T28 that ru speed. prob ended up in ram only
lone warren
i think maus should get ru mobility
jovial kernel
It's entirely because noobs think speed=yolo
shut wigeon
They rather use is-5 or löwe over a ru251.
unique scaffold
I don't think you get the point
timid glen
use guys should get in a tank and fight about it
mossy cipher
i think the t43 needs at least a better gun
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold Good players can make st emil work. Does that make st emil fine?
shy wren
You do forget that those are premium credit grinders, not a TT tank; the RU has one of the worst credit coefficient
lone warren
^
shy wren
Most LTs tend to have terrible credit coefficients at higher tiers
lone warren
smh why im always broke i drive three fvs and a fully equipped ru
shut wigeon
@shy wren Most of those players already have millions of credits so money grind isnt the explanation for it.
And yeah ru251 has one of the worst credit coefficent. Lets punish players more for using underperforming tanks.
unique scaffold
Irrelevant. And ru isn't even underperforming tank... it's one of the best tier 8 lol.. good player do use it as well for me as example and no I don't even have millions of credit when I play it
shy wren
That’s their choice of playing; people have different preferences; some like slow, lumbering heavies with tons of armor, some like the speedy demons
shut wigeon
@unique scaffold Thats why everyone spams is-spam tanks in tier 8 right?
jovial kernel
Also the T-54 ltwt is not fine. If you look at the average player stats, it beats the T-44 in everything but average survival %
shy wren
Also GD; T-44 has -7°
unique scaffold
it can still perform well even with is spam....
shut wigeon
It doesnt make it balanced just because it can.
shy wren
At tier VIII, all tech tree mediums loses out to DPM meds of tier VII and IX.
jovial kernel
I mean you claimed the T-54 ltwt is fine, but it's clearly not considering it's just outperforming the T-44 in everyone's hands.
lone warren
The ru is fine where it is.. if it gets buffed anymore you will suddenly see the ru dominating the mm because it will be op
dusky wolf
Most tier 8 LTs are between borderline OP and fine, and MTs are truly need some buff than other classes do.
shy wren
They do gain more alpha and armor, but their DPM is lackluster
jovial kernel
actually the T-54 ltwt has more alpha than most tier 8 mediums
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel The stats you were looking for are only from last couple days. T-44 has better winrate overall.
dusky wolf
T-54 ltwt 100mm gun which makes tier 8 mts like a joke.
unique scaffold
I actually like how he use blitzstar to claim that a tank is worse than another tank
jovial kernel
Stats from the last couple days actually matters more. It better reflects the tank in the current meta.
shy wren
The T-44 too
I was referring to the overall tier; at tier VII, medium tanks run guns ranging from the 7.5cm to the 100mm. At tier VIII, it ranges from the 84mm to the 122mm
unique scaffold
Players go to heavy tanks because they are dependable. Comparing a heavy to the ru is like comparing a Honda to a high end sports car.
Anyone can drive a Honda to nearly it's full potential. The same can't be said about the sports car.
jovial kernel
actually it ranges from an 84mm to a 122mm because the Centurion 1's 20 pdr is an 84mm gun
lone warren
I hated the cent I thank god i had the tier nine discount
jovial kernel
If you want to see decent tanks that people suck at driving, there's the Centurion 1 for you. A lot of good players say it's either great or average at least, but people including me suck at driving it.
You see the exact same effect in the Caernarvon.
shut wigeon
Players plays with heavy tanks because its meta.Even the most succesfull players i see were all using heavy tanks or tds. There is a reason why you cant see an %70 player using a ru251 because they know its not a good tank to play with.
@jovial kernel Cent is underpowered.
unique scaffold
I hated the Centurion... But ♥️ the 7/1.
jovial kernel
Fine then look at the Caernarvon
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel Caern, tiger 2 and vk 45 02p are currently the worst tier 8 heavies.
unique scaffold
I guess its depend on how you define succesfull player really
sharp wind
Caer and the VK452 are op
shy wren
The guns on the British tanks destroy Russian tanks, as they can pen IS tanks like a knife through hot butter
jovial kernel
The Caernarvon literally has armor, dpm, mobility, and penetration. People just suck in it because they get into situations where good IS-5 drivers force them into shot trades.
shy wren
Tiger II all depend on your ability to sidescrape and using that gun to good use
Vk 45.02 A can be a heavy flanker
dusky wolf
most of Caernarvon i know shows their bellys.
lone warren
90% of people i see driving the caer dont know wtf they are doing lmao goes for alot of british tanks tbh
sharp wind
Never sidescrape in VK452
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel Caern only has some armor on its upper plate and turret front. Anywhere apart from this has garbage armor.
jovial kernel
Have you considered that there's this thing called a "hull down position"
lone warren
whats the gun depression like on the caern again(
sharp wind
Caer requires use of map knowledge a concept I can see that you lack
late hemlock
-10
shy wren
British tanks tbf have pretty steep learning curves, that’s why people struggle with them; not recommended for newer players
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel Did you heard t-34? T-34 hulldowns much better then caern why even i should bother with caern?
lone warren
@shy wren tell me about it... first two lines i did were brit tds and heavies
unique scaffold
Guys, Ford knows what he knows and won't hear anything you say. Just let him be.
shy wren
F.
I started out with the Russian KV line @lone warren
sharp wind
A caer can pen a hull down T34, you are just proving your lack of knowledge. Because a T-34 is a Soviet tier 5 which definitely doesn’t go hull down well
lone warren
Tbh i think it was nice that i went for the british tanks first, it was harder for me but i learnt the game and became decent with the nation and only play their tier tens now pretty much
dusky wolf
Which T 34? T34 on tier 8? or T-34 on tier 5?
burnt lava
They mean the American Premium Heavy tank, the tier 8 T34. Caer would never be matched with a tier 5 tank....
Logic people....
shut wigeon
@sharp wind Wow. Im done with this.
@unique scaffold You didnt explained anything yet. Lights arent okay just because you killed another underpowered tank.
dusky wolf
I would like to see a T-34 user out smarted a caernarvron skrub.
unique scaffold
I agree, just let him be
shy wren
The guns on a British tank are accurate and have high penetration to compensate for their lack of alpha. They can easily demolish the hull of the T34 or hit the hatch reliably
shut wigeon
Hatch is not visiable when t34 is using its gun depression.
@shy wren
sharp wind
The apcr will pen the cheeks of a T34
jovial kernel
Lets not forget the Caern literally has the most health and dpm of tier 8 heavies at the same time, and is one of the most mobile too.
unique scaffold
What part of "don't ping me" is so hard to understand?
I posted my last 27 games in high tier lights over the past 30 days with a 74% win-rate. Let's see your high tier heavy stats for the past 30 days.
shut wigeon
@sharp wind Good luck penning it.
jovial kernel
That's not a penetration map that's a normal armor map.
lone warren
lol
shy wren
Area just above the mantlet is pennable by a British gun
shut wigeon
sharp wind
Child don’t educate me on a tank that I’m at least top 100 in
lone warren
what kind of bot would try to challenge a hull down t34 anyway
shut wigeon
@lone warren @sharp wind saying caern can beat a hulldowning t34.
shy wren
Using a T29 as the hulldown tank (same armor profile like T34, minus the ears), pennable with APCR
jovial kernel
Actually the T34 has a 200mm plate on the turret bustle but that's besides the point
sharp wind
Gun on the T34 is slightly higher and you can pen right under neath the gun as well
shy wren
That’s true; haven’t bought the IAP on Armor Inspector to prove that with a British gun, hence using the T29 as a placeholder
jovial kernel
Personally I would have used the T30 as the placeholder but 🤷
oh wait tier 9 and 10 are blocked off with premiums right
sharp wind
And I only played the Caer before it was buffed twice
shy wren
@jovial kernel rip
jovial kernel
I need to buy that bundle :/
lone warren
my ms1 can beat t34 hulldown
shy wren
Same; that app is quite useful
jovial kernel
Google opinion rewards gib more surveys thanks
late hemlock
shy wren
Yep, that’s it; the T29 has a pretty similar armor profile anyways
jovial kernel
Basically the same model other than the turret back and ears
shut wigeon
T29 doesnt have the same effective turret armor value as t34. Nice try.
jovial kernel
The T34's model was literally just posted by r4zerbl4de
shy wren
Say that again?
shut wigeon
@shy wren I tolf efective armor not the armor thickness.
jovial kernel
It's the same armor at the same angles dude lmao
dry thorn
Even tho I love the kv2, I think it needs a rebalance, just saying
late hemlock
A caern should not try to out hull-down a T34. It should rush it and utilize its DPM against the T34’s long reload
jovial kernel
Or just play the medium flank and just outbully those guys and push the T34 later
lone warren
@dry thorn yeah probably
shut wigeon
Their effective armor isnt same. T29 effective armor is way less then t34.
worthy jasper
Who still has a Gravedigger?
shy wren
Almost the same actually
jovial kernel
I was playing and it got down to a 1v1 between a full health IS-3 and a Caern who was having trouble connecting at the start, and he was trying to trade shots. Guess what, and props to this guy, I tell the Caern to push and use his dpm. The Caern moves up and just outright bloody shreds the IS-3 because it has almost 600 more dpm than the IS-3 and started the fight with 1600 hp and not 1500.
shy wren
Factor in normalization; that’s an easy pen
shut wigeon
@shy wren Lol the pictures that shows cheeks isnt even looking to us.
jovial kernel
He's trying to prove they have basically the same armor model, not prove the pens.
shy wren
I was showing how similar the tanks are in terms of armor profile
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel They dont have same efective armor. Caern can pen t29 cheeks but not t34.
late hemlock
Guys it really doesn’t matter lol. Don’t even know what you’re arguing about
lone warren
This discussion has lost all meaning
jovial kernel
Someone mentioned that it was possible to kill a hull down T34 with Caern prammo and Ford kept trying to say the T29 used as a placeholder turret was different compared to the T34's (It only is if you count the mantlet shape and turret rear plate) because he realized he can't prove that he's right.
shy wren
@lone warren from LTs to HTs to similar tanks
shut wigeon
They are saying caern is amazing hulldown tank. then i sad why would i bother witg caern when i can use t34. Some of them told caern can hulldowning t34 and here we are. @late hemlock
late hemlock
They both have different strengths? They have different play styles so you can’t compare them too well
lone warren
Bother with caern because any non-bot will just use the mobility and dpm and force the t34 to move
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel For gods sake t34 turret cheeks are way more angled then t29 turret cheeks. Caern cant pen a hulldowning t34.
jovial kernel
We never said the Caer was amazing at hull down, I said it was a good tank that people just can't drive, you said it was one of the 3 worst tier 8 heavies.
The T34 and T29 have the same cheek angles.
late hemlock
Any good caern player will just aim for the cupola, end of story. No need to aim at the cheeks
lone warren
honestly u guys are saying the same things over and over again lmao
shy wren
The turret on the Caernarvon is not the best, but it’s still pretty bouncy
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel Thats why t34 has better effective cheek armor?
shy wren
Use armor inspector; we don’t know where you’re highlighting
You might be focusing on a different part of the tank
late hemlock
Alright I’m gonna leave, you guys have fun with your discussion
jovial kernel
Tap the spaced armor to get rid of those ears, most people wouldn't be able to tell them apart.
Fine, I'll prove this later, I'll take my Centurion 1 (which has the same penetration values as the Caer) and someone with a T34 and I'll record where you can pen that turret. Also the original argument was that APCR pens that, so I'll have that loaded.
shy wren
Make sure the T34 uses a contrasting camo to make it easier to see the pennable spot for your test
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel Apcr can pen t29 not t34.
jovial kernel
hmm I wonder what that forehead triangle is
shut wigeon
Those pictures are their armors against same shooter. Look at the t29 cheeks they are much more brighter then t34.
jovial kernel
Well a 20 pdr can tag those weaker spots with apcr ez
shy wren
Take a look at a sliver of orange just to the right of the T34 gun mantlet
shut wigeon
@shy wren Good luck hitting that part constantly from a range more then 50 meters.
sharp wind
You can hit it 6/10 times
jovial kernel
I mean the same can be said for the T29 turret
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel T29 was never in our comparision. Some guy put it just because he thinks they have same armor profile.
jovial kernel
They for the most part do
And besides if this is a 1v1 situation the Cearnarvon can always just rush and unload 2600 dpm into that big juicy hull
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel Yes caern can do that no doubt about that. However this arguement for the guy says "Caern can beat t34 on hulldown" arguement.
jovial kernel
I'm pretty sure he meant it's pennable not it does hull down better
shut wigeon
If im gonna hulldown i would use t34.Or at least t32. Why would i bother with caern?
jovial kernel
maybe you were forced to given the situation
shut wigeon
Not really. No one forces people to grind fv215b line.
shy wren
Unless if you’re grinding it; you’re forcing yourself if you hate the tank
What he meant was that he’s forced to be in a spot where you have to get hulldown. The upper glacis plate on the Caernarvon can bounce shots, unlike the Americans, the British turret is weaker, but still very bouncy.
drowsy plaza
The roof/cupola of the T34 is an easy pen for the Caern.
Even with AP.
The T32 turret is significantly tougher than the T34, if you want a great hull down tier 8 tank.
shy wren
The person above was trying to bash me because I was using the T29 as a template for the armor profile on Armor Inspector instead of the T34 (both have very similar turrets), which is due to me not having the pen IAP @drowsy plaza
Hence the arguments that ensued
drowsy plaza
Ah
unique scaffold
It all started with someone saying lights aren't relevant...
jovial kernel
And then it went to people saying that lights just get driven badly, which went to me mentioning the Caernarvon being a "misunderstood" tank, then going to someone saying the Caernarvon can pen the T34's turret cheeks with APCR, which then went to that being misread as "The Cearnarvon does hull down better than the T34" which then in the process of using the armor models becoming "The T34 has a stronger turret than the T29" which is wrong frontally because they're basically the same at the front, which then ended with this.
vocal verge
im wondering if they will ever put in the polish and Swedish tanks in
jovial kernel
Swedish is rumored to be next year, but I want the polish more tbh. I like big tickers
iron falcon
If they add the Japanese heavies imma die...
vocal verge
They should add rap heavies though but probably decrease penetration or increase reload so lights may live. I think the the polish heavies would be fun.
The czech tvp would be so fun
shy wren
Czechs might come next year
vocal verge
that would be awesome. they should add artillery but just convert them to massive derp tank destroyers with slow slow reload that ark a tiny bit so it can slightly lob over small ridges and stuns
shy wren
Stun? No
Derp TD? Possible. But they have to have a bit less HP than their counterparts
vocal verge
true they shouldn't one shot at least at low tiers but maybe at high tiers against lights and lightly armored med
The italian meds would make the game more variable though over the polish sweds or czechs because of their weird auto loaders
severe valve
can we buff clippers
what's the point if you can't even connect on target with half the damn shots. Forget penning them, how about connecting them?
vocal verge
@oak sandal spg are and integral part of the original game and they make the game more interesting. they dont do much damage but their stun helps a ton and @severe valve Clippers???
severe valve
yeah clippers. what is point having 3s intra when it misses anyway
vocal verge
you mean stun by spg?
because if you miss its your fault and splash damage by spg are significant if you are hitting a med or light or light sneaky td
vocal verge
Spgs are campers legitimately and sneaky tank destroyers should camp while lights med and heavys spot for it
formal spear
Wtf wotb
shy wren
F
wicked needle
You should turn on supremacy
deep pike
f
pseudo grail
F
flat bane
F
burnt lava
F
ember thunder
U
deep pike
C
dusky wolf
Is that some sort of sorcereh?
stray rock
F
tawny finch
the KV4 needs a buff
shy wren
It’s fine as it is, good AP pen, excellent APCR pen, great DPM, great gun handling on 107mm gun, heavy, slow and well armored
little crest
F
willow junco
What are you planning for "BLACK FRIDAY"
unique scaffold
Nothing
indigo knot
When is the "black friday"
lapis shadow
No idea
summer plume
23 Nov?
ember thunder
@tawny finch it needs a buff of armour on the top turret of the normal turret..the big weakspot
Rest is OP
severe flame
Katyusha sakai
tribal plume
23 of Nov black friday
shy wren
@ember thunder that has 180 on the front and side cheeks on the upper turret
ember thunder
No...any tier 8 and above can pen it easily
Its sometimes very irritating when players hit u there EVERYTIME AND U CANT DO ANYTHING
Hmm but...its ok if u wiggle it
ember thunder
Its not fine
unique scaffold
Your explanation is lacking. Explain what is "not fine" about it.
hybrid sage
Everything
unique scaffold
in ranking battles u always get like stupid teammates who doing always the opposite what u say
Why should a player listen to you?
I've said this before but here we go again.
A good player wins despite what mm throws at them.
A bad player loses and then blames mm.
modern rapids
dapper osprey
The FV 183 was behind a wall and I was in leo, wasn’t spotted until he shot
unique scaffold
Okay champ. I'm not the one whining about mm without giving any actual reasons.
shy wren
Hey, language @Im called Pepe#4402
remote valley
nt sure abt language but im guessing he got the boot
limpid elm
Lol.
glad creek
They should remove that way from VK 45 to Maus in 5.5 completely though
shy wren
Ah yes, didn’t realize that the tag wasn’t working
limpid elm
@glad creek You might wanna change your name.
shy wren
@glad creek they shouldn’t; people are still grinding the Maus through the Vk as of right now
glad creek
I know I was copying someone else's name
I have to wait until they allow me to change it
remote valley
@glad creek nah its better to replace the maus with pz 72.01k to ensure greater consistency in the line plus they still trying to follow suit to the content they have in WOT PC
unique scaffold
Can you stop copying my name lol
remote valley
go figures wondering whose name he was copying lol
limpid elm
No wonder it looks so familiar....
unique scaffold
I do have that symbol but in another server
soft flax
unique scaffold
Bot team
soft flax
I cry alone...
ember thunder
@unique scaffold now that statement is false
You must know this
"A leader is nothing without a team"
quick lichen
The only constant in every game you play, is you @ember thunder
There’s a reason for 30% and 70% players. Skill. Not mm
Take off the tin foil hats guys
brittle river
Cant expect everyone to be skillful. Thats why good matchmaking logic makes better gameplay experience.
limpid elm
@brittle river Not exactly, every small advantage over the opposing team comes from every decision you make from the get-go. From choosing to flank, escape and even which tank you are driving and supremacy mode.
brittle river
I agree that. Several factors indeed.
limpid elm
I actually don't really enjoy the new mm.
brittle river
Im gonna watch live stream. See you later @limpid elm :)
limpid elm
Advantage with tank types are at most 2. Not exactly good when you know it's disadvantaged in your team from numbers but your team decides to go your flank.
brittle river
Hmm
limpid elm
And then the heavies throw hate your way for dying in like 2 mins.
drowsy plaza
Good players see MM as a challenge, poor players blame MM. As @quick lichen mentioned, you are the only constant -- everyone gets the same teams over time, what you can do with those teams means the difference. Yes it can be frustrating when you draw a total lemon team, and the red team is not a bunch of potatoes -- but the randomness of the game is part of the draw, and challenge -- those games are where the aces, and the RAS, Pools etc come from -- rise to the challenge.
limpid elm
Well said.
unique scaffold
I like the one on the left.
plush trellis
XD
west zealot
I'm gonna miss my Pz IV shooting VK Leo with 400dmg per shoot in the next update
midnight tendon
I like the one on the right but the mm is great
spring pelican
@quick lichen you in that team?
quick lichen
@midnight tendon if only you knew 😂
spring pelican
the fact that all 3 are blond, that means WG wants to get more men players
quick lichen
Well that’s rather sexist
spring pelican
did you see that letter "S" they pronnounce like letter "Z"
quick lichen
Back to balance discussion
wicked needle
Group A seems tough
balmy token
When's the gravedigger getting nerfed
sharp wind
When enough data is gathered and is determined whether or not a nerf/buff is needed.
sharp mantle
It does seem a bit OP
unique scaffold
Meh. Gravedigger is nothing special.
sharp mantle
Well the armours pretty good
unique scaffold
So shoot it where it's not.
atomic hound
I've found it needs to be played extremely aggressively to be effective, if you play it safe, you'll do no damage because the gun can't hit weakspots at anything but point blank, and the turret is a huge weak spot to tier 8s. I have got it over 70% over 70 games solo, so it certainly isn't bad
sharp mantle
Yeah, but it gets annoying when you fight it I'm a t6 and it pumps 400 dmg before you can react
jovial kernel
I bet the KV-1S is fun to play against then
atomic hound
If it pushes hard on a tier 6, that tier 6 is utterly screwed. The only tank in the tier that can reliably pen it is the arl44 (and they are annoying), but you can clear one in 2 clips
sharp mantle
Yeah, the ARL's 212 pen is epic
unique fulcrum
@quick lichen LOOOL you cant expect hot models when majority of the players are of shape unattractive nerds.
quick lichen
That wasn’t what I was saying or my point
unique fulcrum
LOOOOL ooops
elfin heath
That tourney tree looks rough.
stoic pebble
Does anyone think that the T-44-100 needs a gun depression buff, or a buff in general? I have heard many people on other servers say that it's one of the worst T8 premiums and I'd like to hear what everyone here thinks.
jovial kernel
It's balanced is the problem. The T-44-100 isn't bad, just all the other tier 8 prems are good.
stoic pebble
The T-44-100 is what a premium should be - worse than the tech tree counterpart in some way, but has a gimmick that makes it work. In the case for the 44-100, it gives up a large chunk of engine power and -2 degrees of gun depression to gain 8mm side skirts.
However, I would much rather play a T-54 proto because that thing is a T-44 with more armor and around T-44-100 mobility
jovial kernel
Mod 1 has bad dpm
stoic pebble
100 less DPM for 2 more degrees of depression is something I would give up.
severe valve
gravediffer is already overdue for an armor nerf
jovial kernel
I think the armor is fine, just remove the recoil so the lower plate doesn't keep moving up and down so you can't hit it.
Honestly I'm fine with fighting those tanks other than that issue
zealous citrus
can i get YOUTUBERS role because i m also a you tuber?
strong depot
Wg is this funny??
warm flicker
Yes, also frustrating
strong depot
i want to rage, cry and trashtalk right now
this is balanc discussion so balance matchmaker
cloud wadi
Nope, it's reality 😂
strong depot
matchmaker is like: F.. u, u will not win this match
minor grail
T-44-100 I is average tank but need buff
quick lichen
@strong depot what is wrong with mm?
strong depot
everything
dry thorn
It alright
strong depot
they have 4 players > 60% wr and rest >50% while my team all under 50%
dry thorn
Hard to find games sometimes
strong depot
can still give me some players who actually know anything about the game
there was no way we/i could win that match
and this is not the first time
cloud wadi
And also not the last one, tbh. But I'm sure u don't check enemy stats same way when you win that battles. U know it's not always sooo bad, don't you?
stoic pebble
... When did they nerf the Pz. Sfl IVc's gun elevation? It's literally impossible to play the tank :^)
wind gust
Oof
tired sorrel
Im starting to hate this game cuz of unrealistic tanks
daring island
play in tier 8/9 and murder them with realistic tanks?
quick lichen
@strong depot so you’re telling me you’ve never been on the winning side of this?
It’s always your skill that wins every game?
strong depot
u know what i'm talking about
what is it, ur gonna blame me i get a little annoyed because i'm trying to win a battle ?
quick lichen
You’re the only constant in every game you’re in
There’s a reason why players are 30%ers and 70%ers
strong depot
so u mean u have absolutely no idea what i'm talking about
u know what, screw it. Matchmaker is perfectly fine every battle.
shut wigeon
Matchmaker uses rng. Thats why sometimes you get losing streaks or winning streaks. If it would use Prng you wouldnt get those streaks. Prng simply wont allow you to match with %70 unicum or %40 garbage player consecutively.
I have access to more then one accounts and i can clearly say i dont feel any mm difference between a wallet warrior account and a freemium account.
woeful tendon
Make kpfpz realistic, can not possibly go wrong g
Composite armor, gun velo, round types, speed... Kpfpz definitely needs to be realistic
shy wren
Please no
woeful tendon
Y not?? Its not like an MBT could possibly be OP in a game based mostly off WW2
but it does need a buff... The most modern of any tank in game and has lowest DPM of any t9 heavy... And drastically so
shy wren
It just needs a slightly better RoF. That tank has the highest alpha of all tier IX heavy tanks
woeful tendon
And still lowest DPM by far... E 75 is only tank that gets close
winged barn
It is not that different from a kv-1s
It just has an armored turret to go with it
solar river
Does anyone else think that the Predator could use a little depression buff?
I mean it's almost impossible to fight some tanks at even medium distance.
Not even an alpha or armor or pen buff, just a little bit of more depression.
west zealot
Huge tall tank with Russian depression is kinda sucks indeed. Grave also have awful depression for a tall and huge tank.
solar river
The main problem with predator is that it has its gun on the highest point possible.
That's like gravedigger having its gun on the literal roof of the turret
late hemlock
@winged barn except the kv1s doesn’t have issues penning most things it sees, while the kpfpz has pretty bad pen for its tier
solar river
the kampfpanzer hits like a truck tho.
It can 3 shot basically anything that isn't a maus.
That thing is obviously meant to bully meds and lights just like predator and grave and original is6
icy merlin
Pls tell me what the match maker is getting fixed in the update!!
robust haven
Matchmaking will never be fixed in any game
solar river
Tbh instead of wishing for the matchmaking to be fixed i just kinda started to let go of the obsession with winrate. God knows it's not easy, our very own little skinner box. It feels good to see the numbers rise but it matters little in the game and even less outside it.
The truth is that I've seen 45%ers pull ridiculous numbers in battle and carrying and I've seen pseudo unicums Yolo and die first and then spending the rest of the match cursing at everyone for not being able to follow his yolo in a goddamned light tank.
The truth is that mad games were a great success because people are having fun for the first time in a long while because they don't have the burden of numbers on their shoulders. They can have fun without concerning that their immaculate reroll accounts are getting stained by "bad numbers" that literally no one outside of the ga
limpid elm
@solar river Very nice. Well said.
heady acorn
Yup well said
deep pike
hm
dim field
Completely agree
unique scaffold
Well said
It's honestly annoying when you get called a 45%er and a noob when you're trying your hardest to help the team
deep pike
yep
dim field
Or when somebody makes a series of bad choices, blames you for the loss, gets their clan to harass you, and say they were right and send hate because they have a better wr than you.
unique scaffold
Yep
deep pike
yep
dim field
Can we get a buff to Vk 30.01H pls? Poor thing is basically a dw2 going against tier 6
remote valley
rather than a buff i think a rebalance shud be made to it. more on armour less on the gun to play it more like a heavy
cause the gun is exceptional on the tank and compensates for the lack of armour on the tank @dim field
dim field
I was just thinking maybe more hp and maybe more engine power (not speed but push power)
unique scaffold
One good example was when I was playing on an account given to me, I was playing the Super Pershing, and ended up tangoing with a CDC and 2 other meds that were trying to flank my teammates. I managed to hold them off long enough for my team to make short work of their teammates, getting called a noob by the CDC after I got killed even though he and his buddies had trouble trying to take me out. He then proceeded to message me and insult me and my clan. And this guy was from ARCHR.
remote valley
@unique scaffold be smart. post pic send to wg wait for them to impose karma on tht guy
unique scaffold
I'd rather save that for someone that went too far.
Insults to my clan and myself I can handle.
unique scaffold
No it doesnt you just bad 😂😂😂
shy wren
ASIA server player here; only saw Grave Digger twice.
It’s tough to pen the turret, but lower plate’s paper
solar river
Tbh gravedigger is a monster against tier 6 only
I mean not even the TOG stands a chance, and the TOG is another legendary monster with massive dpm, pen and health
remote valley
@solar river u do have to know the tog has no armour and notoriously slow lol (large amount of hp doesnt equate to having to survive longer than any other tier 6 tank. To many of us we just see it as fresh meat :3
dim field
When you bounce a kv-2 round while in a TOG
shy wren
HMS TOG II is too strong for your minute rounds, KV-2!
remote valley
Tog 2: bounce me? hah good try kv-2 pelts kv-2 to death
dim field
My dream is drive my TOG off a cliff and land on an enemy.
remote valley
@dim field time to grow up use a type 5 heavy XD
the meta points to the japanese heavies in squishing enemy abilities lolololol
dim field
But my beautiful chocolate covered banana or extended watermelon needs me
remote valley
nyeh throws in a wild O-I
shy wren
@dim field your dreams might come true with the Neptune map
dim field
My TOG is ready!
solar river
Big hp pooling might not be everything alone but combine it with the super high rof and pen and also its turn rate and basically you get a giant dalek
shy wren
It kinda looks like a HOT TOG
remote valley
Me in my KV-2: loads HE juicy also me in my su-152: omae wa mo shindeiru
dim field
NANI
grand raptor
nande?
shy wren
Nando’s
remote valley
Naan
grand raptor
nandos!!!!!!!!! 🐔
shy wren
Nunchucks
dim field
Balance the nunchucks
shy wren
Tightrope
dim field
@slender briar wr doesn't actually do what you think it does. It's misleading and overvauled. It's just an overall number but it doesn't carry much weight. It doesn't show how good you are, it doesn't show how much you contribute to winning either. If i do zero dmg, but my team pulls throgh with a win, my wr goes up even though i didn't do anything. People who are garbage at the game might one day have everything click and start getting much better, they'll still be stuck with a bad wr that doesn't represent their actual skill level. Plenty of good players can still lose even though they did beautifully all game. You've probably seen or experienced those times where people have pulled 5000 dmg and still lost with the rest of their team pulling out a combine 1000 dmg. Many things can cause winrate to be inaccurate it's only an average. Another possible and easy discrepancy could simply be a person works up to a 60% and then stops playing for a year. They come back and play like a 30%. It's possible. All of these things mean you can't reasonably tag wr alongside by itself. It doesn't tell the whole picture. Think of how many people make bad decisions and just happen to have 60% wr. I often will see a 60% wr sit back in the corner trying to snipe while they're in a light tank or a 60% td yolo into enemy lines and die 30 seconds in.
grand raptor
literally the story of my wot blitz life. I am making stupid mistakes all the time but I still manage to maintain a 60%+ wr
dim field
I just cannot see any real value coming from attaching a score to a persons name in battle that wouldn't have more downsides than upsides.
remote valley
what abt wn8? @dim field anything to say abt it?
but wn8 still doesnt eliminate sealclubbing tho u can have a super unicum wn8 just from sealclubbing ._.
grand raptor
it should be average damage and wn8
slender briar
Ok, we can use WR alongside an expected win rate metric, in a given tank, assuming a significant # of battles, say 10x tier.
eWR can be regression based, with the y value being WR, and independent variables being platoon rate, damage, damage ratio, survival rate, spot rate, and damage:kill ratio
dim field
Iirc wn8 is something blitstars adds up yes? I'm iffy on it tbh. I don't remember how it adds things up exactly or why it adds it up in such a way. I've had unicum stats when I had been doing crappy over 30 days.
grand raptor
actually a good idea would be to put the average damage/wn8 of the tank that person is playing.
slender briar
Platoon will probably need squared, not sure about the others.
remote valley
@dim field i believe they take into ur acc ur spots, avg dmg, hit rate, so on so forth. Even if u didnt win, as long as u spot a lot, made a lot accurate shots so on so forth im guessing thts the reason
solar river
As i said winrate is a skinner box
It's there to compulse you to play even if you don't want to in order to keep the streak or recoup lost wr
I'd be best if wg allowed us to hide stats like literally every time other game
But it's part of of the business, human psychology so it's better to if you train yourself to ig or it. I guide myself more with países because those are given, those are méritos other people hand over to you in acknowledge of your contribution or skill
dusky void
Guys when is the 5.5 update coming out
remote valley
@dusky void 13/14th nov
solar river
2018?
remote valley
@slender briar u r aware blitzstars.com shows u ur periodic winrate as well?
dusky void
Thx
Do any of you think BT7 needs an armour buff
slender briar
Yeah, it's nice, but it isn't in the game.
dim field
I go by praises aswell atleast to sorta gage my own involvement. But military honor has its flaws aswell.
remote valley
@slender briar its doesnt have to be cause the website is already endorsed by wg so its pretty unnecessary to stuff one into the game but i believe they shud publicise the website
slender briar
Like, the entire military honor system is completely flawed?
Uh, being available in game is the whole point of the entire discussion
remote valley
nah @dim field praises aint a good indicator some of them can be because ur platmate just praises u for the fun of it
dim field
I'd be alright with wg hiding stats, but i also know competitive people be competitive. I see stats more of a personal gage and maybe see how you and your friends compare. Since you will know more about your journey than a random and who doesn't like to brag to their friends how you have every stats in your isu higher than their isu
I value "worthy opponent" to an extent. Makes me feel good.
slender briar
I give everyone upvotes. Driving a 183? Here's a lucky upvote.I give worthy opponent to potatoes lol
remote valley
welp websites like blitzstars.com are ur side "products" tht competitive people can use to gauge their performance after all, its a game, its not intended to make everyone competitive its meant for people to have fun
grand raptor
if i am in a bad mood i give them all downvotes cuz I hate arty
slender briar
The point of a game is to win,. The purpose is to have fun. Games are inherently competitive
remote valley
@grand raptor excuze me theres no arty in wotb XD
dim field
They mean Bt-7 arty
grand raptor
183 arty
solar river
Also, why people take "lucky player" as an insult? I had once a triarii flipping on me when I gave him the lucky praise
remote valley
@solar river beats me
slender briar
If your good game was dismissed as lucky, I'd be salty too
limpid elm
@solar river Bushka does that to players who didn't do too well. Guess they are insulted because of that.
dim field
I'd wager it's more that people are inherently competitive, games just follow suit.
Tournaments are competitive in design.
remote valley
i wudnt bother tht just me XD
dim field
The only reason I care about stats the amount i do is
- I cannot let my little brother think he is better than me
- Defense against the "My wr is 1% higher than me insert unoriginal insult here therefore you have to play how i want you to play because I'm better and some how it's your fault that I died after i yoloed into all the enemies at once"
slender briar
That's why regression is used to get an accurate picture of performance, captured in a single metric, a second WR.
dim field
Still wouldn't provide any real benefit.
slender briar
Sure, helps me identify HVTs, and pinpoint more likely locations. More data means better predictions, and higher returns based on skill.
dim field
But it's a raw score, void of a way to know how it was formed.
Sure scores could have large gaps between them but you don't know what makes them so different.
slender briar
Soft skills- calling, picking out HVTs, better predictions, assistance damage, applying cap pressure.
You can disclose exact coefficients, so everyone knows exactly how it's formed. With a good model, is unlikely that there will be much deviation
remote valley
well @slender briar those factors wud be extremely hard to put into data unless ofc wg has in place some sort of deep learning software which allows the game to recognises these skills
slender briar
They're not in data, which is why WR would be different from the eWR regression.
dim field
I'll give an example. Tell me how the number is formed and who is "better". I'll give you a rough formula
Average tier x dmg x winrate = score
3500 vs 6000
remote valley
nope wudnt do tht
slender briar
Is WR a decimal or a whole value?
dim field
Decimal
slender briar
definitely the 6k player, but not at all what I'm looking at doing now
dim field
Ready for the math?
Actually can you tell me how the 6k player is better first?
What is their average tier, damage, and wintate?
slender briar
Uh, you're asking me to solve 3 variables without any constraints. Like an hour ago yeah. I moved to the regression of significant stats vs their aactual Wr
dim field
Yup, you wanted a score by their name
Average tier x dmg x winrate
71000.50 = 3500
81000.75 = 6000
3500 vs 6000
slender briar
So the 6k player has 1 higher avg tier same damage, and a . 25 higher wr? I'll take him any day
dim field
The 6k does have a higher wr and average tier, but they're not doing anymore damage than the other player. This could be a problem.
slender briar
Ok, still I'm looking at regression.
dim field
What about 2700 vs 2000?
Also what do you mean by regression?
limpid elm
Oh wow. Those numbers. Is this a math class? 🙃
slender briar
a measure of the relation between the mean value of one variable (e.g., output) and corresponding values of other variables (e.g., time and cost).
dim field
How would you put that into our example?
slender briar
In this case, the Y would be WR, and the other variables would be survival, damage, spots, etc etc.
It could be tank based, or on the individual. Due to the nature of regression as a prediction tool, it will be somewhat inaccurate. This inaccuracy helps identify the type of player that is being dealt with.
I don't have the ability to generate an example. I could make a sample model tomorrow.
dim field
Now, how is a player to dissect that number though?
We still have trouble weighing how much each stat actually means.
Each stat on it's own is unhelpful really. How do you combine them? How does a player know by looking at a number what it means or what the pieces were? It's like looking at the image for a puzzle, without knowing how big the pieces are.
Bigger number = statistically bigger threat I'd assume but you could still have similar numbers be worlds apart.
jovial kernel
Personally I run it by average damage times (10+average tier) multiplied by average spots multiplied by their winrate
slender briar
This would actually be able to weigh stats for us, with enough data, whether it's the stat itself, a square, a cube, or even a log.
Basically, if your eWR is lower, than you're doing something soft that is increasing your WR. If it's higher, you're not doing something right.
eWR= expected win rate = regression analyzed win rate
dim field
So basically it would be like
30% plays like a 60%, this dude has bad luck
60% plays like a 30%, this dude is luckiest man alive.
slender briar
Assuming there's a significant difference anyway. differences will probably be within a percent, if i had my guess.
jovial kernel
Yeah I made up a formula that kinda works decently for most players
slender briar
I'll try it out. Pull 5 different clans and run it to see if it's even significant.
jovial kernel
watch it suck horribly lmao
dim field
Assuming this all some how works out neat and tidy, it's going to open flood gates for toxicity and it might skew it's own reults.
Let's say you see 4 of your teammates are 40% players they go towards hill. Two are 50% they go towards town. The 50% players ditch their 40%ers. Who do you travel with? (Assume WR and eWR are close to each other)
slender briar
I'll be able to get it to predict WR correctly at least 90% of the time.
Depends on the map and tanks...
jovial kernel
I take hill because hill is more important and I get more support
dim field
I cannot throw in map and tank comps atm. The skew I was going to bring up was if people start judging eachother based on these scores before the battle even begins, do you not think there is the possibility that people will give up on the people they see as bad players? Typically people won't do well if they have to verse an opposing force larger than themselves. And people seen as bad players are probably going to be used as cannon fodder. This sould lead to them getting poorer stats which lower their score would it not?
remote valley
@dim field r u trying to make a mod?
dim field
Nope.
We've been having a discussion bout adding Wr (and now a secondary Wr) next to players names during or possibly just in pre-game loading screens.
We're talking about the pros and cons if WG started doing it.
I'm highly skeptical towards it and believe stats are often overvalued, missused and it could lead to more toxicity and problems.
Bootleg believes it would be a highly valuable tool to implement.
slender briar
I'll certainly be better able to formtactics and advice based on how bad players are.
I'll know for sure that Mr 40% has 70 + battles in his Tiger, and odds are he's going to lose it, because his wr is 40% and matches his eWR. I know I'm not going to listen anything he says about tactics.
jovial kernel
Even if you know a player is bad, if you're using them as cannon fodder in any way other than using their spotting to farm damage, you're worse than they are. But then you don't need stats to take advantage of spotting.
remote valley
i think they shud add 30 days performance rather than overall stats.. tht also over a certain group of tiers. At least people will kno how each player fares in a certain group of tiers
slender briar
Just tank performance will do.
dim field
Do you mean add 30day performance in the stats menu or during a game?
remote valley
@slender briar tht will do also :3 but like i said go for 30 days or so.. overall wud not give a very accurate representation of the players current performance
jovial kernel
I say it makes sense if it's 30 game performance in the tank they're in if that person has over 100 battles in the tank
remote valley
@dim field both and @jovial kernel exactly
but then again ill suggest to wg to have it as a side "product" for players to install into the game
jovial kernel
I care a lot more about how well a person is doing in their Tiger 1 that they're driving than what horrible things they're doing in their R35.
dim field
Maybe expanding the stats menu might be ok, adding in an option to hide stats would be appreciated though.
remote valley
@dim field u prob can do tht in post game results... it wudnt be viable during battle
dim field
I'd want to hide it period. Even if i had an 85% wr
remote valley
nani?!
bold dagger
wassup
remote valley
nani?! oh were going overboard over the issue of stats @bold dagger
jovial kernel
We're discussing if an XVM type thing would be a good idea in the base game and how calculating an expected win rate of people that didn't count seal clubbing and bad luck in the MM would work.
remote valley
welp not as a mod but as a part of the game
dim field
I don't like the toxicity stats like wr bring. People already bash eachother for it. I don't want to have to play peace keeper when the stats are visible mid game.
jovial kernel
And let's not forget all the prammo getting sent in the way of unicums and forcing their heavies into only hull down and sidescrape positions if the stats are visible.
dim field
Well.... I should probably go to bed. This was a pretty good discussion and I'd like to keep going but it's almost 6am and I've got to be up in a few hours. Y'all have a goodnight
remote valley
gdnite mate
balmy cipher
the shellthrower's pen (scavanger's gun) from 25 to 40
remote valley
huh?
unique scaffold
Hi
tawdry abyss
Hello
ember thunder
What will be avatars xD
I cant wait for those
unique scaffold
Whos the average player that just wants to play for fun and is not planning to train to become pro they just want to play for fun?
These people dont care about any status
They just want to play but the "unicums" kept bashing them making the average players/newbies think that this game have a bad community.
wary holly
^
warm kernel
32 Pounder gun for Caernarvon plz
winged barn
It does have a bad community
remote valley
@unique scaffold i believe the qn shud be more of who on earth thinks tht the game shud be solely played for competitive sake rather for the fun of it, which is basically the whole idea of playing the game
unique scaffold
Players who refuse to learn and for some reason thing that losing is fun are the problem.
I'll take a try hard super Unicum on my team over a turret spinning, team trolling, rock shooting, 40%er who plays for fun any day of the week.
whole veldt
i think VK 45.02 A need buff on the front armor. RN the thickness is 120mm in WOT it's 150. i'm using that tank to get Maus guys. Believe me it's terrible. side and back thickness is 80 so i hope the front armor have good thickness but it is 120mm. and i think like "well it's okay the armor is slope anyway" boi i was wrong even the 122mm D-25T can penetrate it sometimes. so i demand WG to buff VK 45.02 A front armor coz the only advantage of this is the tank faster a bit than any tank in tier 8
@lean forge @charred comet
winged barn
It is a slow medium and should avoid being hit
ember thunder
@whole veldt I agree fully
stoic pebble
I doubt the VK A needs a frontal armor buff of any amount. If the frontal armor is buffed, it will not only be faster than the Tiger 2, but also be more well armored.
quick lichen
@unique scaffold if you’re complaining about this game then you take the game seriously. If you play the game seriously then you’re not just “playing for fun”. It’s part of it but not everything. I play to win. Fun still happens though
unique scaffold
Well its kinda meh, but depends on a player
civic sorrel
Well idk why PRAMO talks bs all they play is for just doing battles bc they have all tanks on their garage they have got every singel tank from 1 to tier 10
Also not to metion that PRAMO
PAYS 100 DOLLARS FOR RNG AND WW BENEFITS I MEAN sik of this sht
sharp wind
🤔 my brain wave reader isn’t working on this one
sharp wind
WG isn’t that nice, at least a couple grand must be paid to get rng perks
rancid flame
Bro, if $100 buys good RNG and MM, where the hell is mine!?
quick lichen
I got $300 to join xpd a few years ago
But we don’t pay for anything
We don’t have press accounts
Please take off the tin foil hat
jade cargoBOT
Danirepgameplay[Nova6]#2912 was muted
unique scaffold
Well he isnulted his clan so it's justified
queen hemlock
I think people missed the R for good RNG
No need to pay, just pray. One letter makes a lot of difference
unique scaffold
On point.
tepid cipher
I use credits for equipment, consumables, provisions, and crew training. Those things reduce the effect that RNG has on my actions. Anyone can do this. Anyone can "pay for better RNG" in a way.
It's not unfair, it's just a part of the game.
queen hemlock
True. You do get those amazing penetrating shots in the one game and then the next everything misses or bounces. But it affects everybody so that's fair
quick lichen
@tepid cipher it’s a good thing we all got 500 million credits when we joined
tepid cipher
Yep. Didn't need to use any skill whatsoever playing premium tanks and tournaments to make those credits.
quick lichen
MBGA
unique scaffold
It´s not about the MM. Its about the players, who are just playing TD´s…
unique scaffold
FeelsCensoredMan…
I think, they are not surprised, but feel a little bit confused, because TD´s just laughing about armour…
Well if you dont like a lot of td's in a game, you could start from yourself and dont play them 🤔
I dont like TD´s. Doesn´t matters if I am playing them or get outplayed by them.
It is a problem for months now and i dont really see it fixed still
atomic hound
I want to ask wg something. When I shoot the flat side of a tank with no armour, amx light tank, t49, etc. and the shot is absorbed into the tracks (usually without even blowing them off) to the incredibly irritating tune of 'we got em', is this a bug with your game (after all, there is no way that these tanks have 200mm+ effective side armour flat on, tracks or not) or have you designed this in for some odd reason? Either way, please fix this, even if we all benefit from it at some stage, it makes games so much more frustrating...
unique scaffold
@atomic hound That´s not a bug. It´s irony. And much vodka.
Maybe you aimed to low.
If you hit an external module like tracks there is a chance of penetrating but not doing damage. Its not a bug its a game mechanic
atomic hound
Can anyone actually verify this isn't a bug? Just because it has been around forever doesn't mean it is intentional, when and where has wg said this is intentional? Id be grateful to find out
stoic pebble
@atomic hound I have had this problem as well. I'm waiting around the corner for a CDC to show up. He drives around the corner side on and I blast him with my IS-5. And for some absurd reason, the shell does no damage, not even damaging his tracks.
atomic hound
@lean forge I would very much appreciate it if you could clear this up for me
atomic hound
Can't just say it is down to rng, there is no pen roll on any gun at tier 8 that will fail to pen the flat side of a light tank.
unique scaffold
Its tehnically a penetration, only thats it doesnt do damage. Its the thing with external modules as i already said
atomic hound
Again, where is your evidence that this is intentional? @unique scaffold
sharp mantle
What are you talking about?
dim field
I often will disable enemy crew members, but not do any damage.
Like kill their driver and gunner, but their tank will still have full hp.
wooden gazelle
No you don't.
atomic hound
@unique scaffold do you have any idea whether this is intentional on wg's part (my question was above)
unique scaffold
@dim field thats wrong. Its only for tracks and optics or such, but if you hit a crew member you are doing damage 100%
?
i dont know
dim field
Tell that to all those times it'll pop up a yellow steering wheel but the enemy keeps full hp
unique scaffold
never had that
atomic hound
Not that, the zero damage penning hits into the sides of light tanks
unique scaffold
that thay say we got them
they
thats just rng
hating you lol
@dim field thats a track...
dim field
It's happened a couple times. It's not a track. A damaged track shows as part of a track
atomic hound
As I said, there is no pen roll on any gun at tier 8 that won't pen the flat side of a light tank, so how is it rng?
wooden gazelle
I'm assuming you've got some sort of screenshot of this happening then?
atomic hound
Shouldn't the shell go through the tracks like it does if you hit the drivewheel? I'm not talking about when you shoot below the hull into the tracks
atomic hound
Do I need a screenshot? This happens all the time, to everyone.
unique scaffold
if you have some
dim field
I'm sure it'll happen again, i'll try to remember to take a screenshot next time
atomic hound
As will I, I'm sure I'll get plenty next time I play for 15 minutes...
wooden gazelle
Not you Adam, the guy saying that he's killing drivers without dealing damage.
unique scaffold
Well hes mistaken
atomic hound
Yeah, dead drivers with zero damage is bs.
queen hemlock
@atomic hound it all depends on the shell and the thickness of the drive wheel
All modules have a certain thickness and HP pool too.
If the shell has sufficient pen left AFTER penetrating spaced armour or modules, then it will be the armour plate behind it
atomic hound
The shots I'm talking about don't hit the drivewheel, when I shoot the flat side of the CDC, above the bottom of the hull, and the shot is absorbed into the tracks, there is no way the effective thickness of the tracks is 180mm or whatever, so how is this possible?
unique scaffold
He just explained it to you....
queen hemlock
If you hit tracks at a 90 degree angle, most energy gets absorbed by them
atomic hound
Why?
queen hemlock
Because of the way the armour models are designed and calculated
What tanks are we talking about? CDC versus ...???
atomic hound
Is5, but it really isn't limited to that
stoic pebble
I specifically remember this happening with my IS-5, but I shrugged it off as bad rng.
atomic hound
It's even worse in TDs with 150mm+ guns that should overmatch the sides of these things...
wooden gazelle
Simple solution, stop shooting tracks.
stoic pebble
That's not simple
atomic hound
Exactly, if you shoot the side of a tank, there is a good chance it will hit the tracks.
stoic pebble
If I see the side of an IS-3 or IS-8, I'm going to shoot the tracks to avoid the stalinium that lines the sides of those bias tanks. Same applies for the IS-7.
queen hemlock
Spaced armour is annoying indeed
wooden gazelle
Fair, but not relevant to the CDC example.
quartz steeple
Stalinium 😂 😂
queen hemlock
And the IS series has loads of strange angles too.
@wooden gazelle my guess is he hit the tracks dead on, and the shots get absorbed by them.
atomic hound
Spaced armour is annoying, but I still don't see why the tracks on a tank alone (this happens to me in the borsig, and that has almost no side armour at all) should stop a high pen round.
unique scaffold
Get over it, it is how it is
stoic pebble
Bad RNG. Happens to the best of us.
atomic hound
If wg answered like that to every issue you had, I think you'd have some strong words for it... @unique scaffold
queen hemlock
But it is pretty much true @atomic hound . The game is designed as it is. Little we can do there
unique scaffold
I dont see it as an issue, as i said i think its a game mechanic
atomic hound
Isn't that the point of this discord server though? @queen hemlock
What I fail to understand is why wargaming would intentionally make this a game mechanic, spaced armour, yes, but tracks that absorb everything once in a while, no.
queen hemlock
I think it has more to do with limitations of the armour model than intentional programming
atomic hound
Meaning it is closer to a bug then...
queen hemlock
A bug is a fault in software. This is not a fault but a technical limitation
jovial kernel
There's also the chance that the shell went down and hit a road wheel which counts as hitting spaced armor, and left the bounce icon over the CDC making it look like you bounced
wooden gazelle
*roadwheel
jovial kernel
Thanks yeah
ivory swift
Bite
quick lichen
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jade cargoBOT
WoT Blitz Official (ENG)
quick lichen
@rustic remnant 18,238 people
true relic
how do you get DJ? Is it like a role you get for higher than player or what
wooden gazelle
you have that tag
quick lichen
I’m no one
inner comet
Is pramo on some performance enhancement pills or sumn
quick lichen
🤦🏼♂️
inner comet
Let raid win
inner comet
Hmmm
old basalt
Lol.. Nice one iraikkonen
shut wigeon
Raik what is your thoughts about vk100?
rustic remnant
I understand keeping it under control ... but there are only 1400 on this channel...interestingly enough ... i woulda thought they could do a channel by channel slowmode if needed..
cedar mist
I've spoken to WG about the slow mode and they will not be changing it from 45 seconds due to these channels being more important in the chat with devs section.
rustic remnant
Interesting...
limpid elm
Err... it is 45 seconds.
cedar mist
Yes
inner locust
It's too long tho
cedar mist
Like I said, I asked WG if they could reduce it, but they said the above.
deep egret
@cedar mist buddy please suggest to wg change server option again coz i face to lag in NA server and actually i live in india .. thats why i told u so please help me
lone hound
O
wicked needle
Only option is you shift to NA
quick lichen
@shut wigeon I think it’ll be very strong but nothing too broken
jovial kernel
I think the VK 100.01 (P) will either be extremely useless or extremely strong with no in between.
hollow wren
Um...I want to buff t54e1 penetration..
unique scaffold
No need
north rover
pls fix platoons in matchmaker becouse we wait for 20 mim to get into battle !!!!!!
that becouse no one play platoon
celest lance
lol 20 mins? Are you playing when no one is online?
unique scaffold
Exggergating
quick scroll
Hi idk if that a good idea but its possible to upgrade the ap penetration of the 150mm of the Rhm B Wt (215 -> 220 or 225)
jovial kernel
Use calibrated shells.
quick scroll
Yes but the reload was too slow 😂
jovial kernel
So you want it to be the OP monster it was on release? Good luck with that.
quick scroll
Its just a idea
coarse harness
The ISU is has more pen, dpm, armor, accuracy etc🙄
quick scroll
I dont like isu too slow
coarse harness
35 km/h with fast acceleration and good traverse speed
shy wren
Borsig has turret
serene falcon
Borsig has turret. That is the main appeal of it to players
tepid wadi
A buff for the engine of the AMX 13 90 is greatly needed
Its acceleration is too slow for its size
coarse yacht
But it’s a heavy
jovial kernel
what lol
hollow wren
Yes...I think AMX 13 90 needs to buff penetration.. it's too low...So AMX 13 90 can't penetrate 9 tier heavies by ap shell.
coarse yacht
An
jovial kernel
13 75 and 13 90 need buffs badly, the 13 75 is just a 12t that reloads faster and got thrown up a tier, and the 13 90 is just a bad tank overall.
coarse yacht
The kv2 needs to be buffed
hollow wren
Um...why?
coarse yacht
I was using my kv2 and there was a mt25 shot him then it bounced
limpid elm
@coarse yacht Buffed in what?
hollow wren
I think it is RNG..
jovial kernel
Also why would you be using any gun or ammunition that would be capable of not doing damage with the KV-2
coarse yacht
It needs more armor nope I was using the derp gun it one shot 2 other people
jovial kernel
how about no
limpid elm
🤣
shy wren
It already has the derp gun and a turret. Why a buff? It’s meant to face tier V-VII.
pallid pier
Nerf lepard !!
limpid elm
@pallid pier Which leopard? 🤣 Leopard (Tier 5) , Leopard PTA or Leopard 1?