#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 97

indigo knot Nov 4, 2018, 4:26 PM

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@quick lichen you are a unicum
You can make every tank work but think it in a perspective of an avg player....when you get in tier 9 games everyone simply harrasses you

quick lichen Nov 4, 2018, 4:27 PM

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Seems like the “well it’s a heavy tank so I frontline” mindset

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Use it as a medium killer and support tank

limpid elm Nov 4, 2018, 4:27 PM

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@indigo knot Don't be so quick to judge. Many people don't use the tanks as they should be used. That's why we jumpto the conclusion that certain tanks are bad.

quick lichen Nov 4, 2018, 4:28 PM

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@limpid elm someone watches slip phantom

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/chems

indigo knot Nov 4, 2018, 4:28 PM

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Well it doesn't have that good dpm and most use calibrated shells on it

limpid elm Nov 4, 2018, 4:28 PM

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@quick lichen Maybe. Then again, I pick up a few things from the videos on YouTube.

quick lichen Nov 4, 2018, 4:29 PM

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It has good dpm and it’s pen wasn’t an issue

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It’s a German gun so it shoots where you aim. Don’t be afraid to aim

limpid elm Nov 4, 2018, 4:30 PM

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@indigo knot Play it like a panther 2 but bigger and heavier. It doesn't have good armour but is mobile enough to get to flanks. However late you are, you can get damage in.

ember thunder Nov 4, 2018, 4:30 PM

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Will Vk 100.01p be OP ? or good?

quick lichen Nov 4, 2018, 4:30 PM

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Good

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Not op

modest prairie Nov 4, 2018, 4:30 PM

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Pretty op in WoT

unique scaffold Nov 4, 2018, 4:31 PM

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I’m going to love the 128 mm I think

quick lichen Nov 4, 2018, 4:31 PM

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Like the maus it’s weak on the sides

limpid elm Nov 4, 2018, 4:31 PM

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Lol. Explain Russian light line.

narrow terrace Nov 4, 2018, 4:31 PM

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Germans are never OP, because all russian mediums on Tier 8 plus are already OP execpt T-44

quick lichen Nov 4, 2018, 4:31 PM

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So many mobile tier 8s

ember thunder Nov 4, 2018, 4:31 PM

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But in right hands?

quick lichen Nov 4, 2018, 4:31 PM

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Very good

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Not op

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Armor from the front would be nearly impenetrable except a hatch you can’t hide

limpid elm Nov 4, 2018, 4:32 PM

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@narrow terrace T44 is workable and very good in the right hands. It's flexible i armour and mobility. Gun is pretty good too.

narrow terrace Nov 4, 2018, 4:32 PM

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T54 Mod.1 = Good mobility and frontal armor like a heavy tank and there no weakspots which you can hit

unique scaffold Nov 4, 2018, 4:32 PM

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Actually have tiny cupolas and lfp can be penetrated easily enough if it’s not moving too much

narrow terrace Nov 4, 2018, 4:32 PM

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T54mod1 is a 1vs1 monster. Nothing to win against this tank!

indigo knot Nov 4, 2018, 4:33 PM

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@limpid elmYaa I played it like a slow medium but truth be told I didn't like this tank ...gun depression was also one of the issue I felt

little crest Nov 4, 2018, 4:33 PM

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Heavy tanks and TDs can beat it down @narrow terrace

limpid elm Nov 4, 2018, 4:33 PM

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@indigo knot Then play the panther. It has the same gun depression angle.

indigo knot Nov 4, 2018, 4:33 PM

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@limpid elm played that one too...loved it

narrow terrace Nov 4, 2018, 4:33 PM

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Yes but Light tanks not 😦 not even with 250mm pen on HEAT Because HEAT just succs

modest prairie Nov 4, 2018, 4:34 PM

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Panther 2 needs a buff

lunar niche Nov 4, 2018, 4:34 PM

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Cupola will be nasty, but the turret cheeks are small on Vk

indigo knot Nov 4, 2018, 4:34 PM

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@narrow terrace my bet is on Indien panzer... ignore spelling

limpid elm Nov 4, 2018, 4:34 PM

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@indigo knot Hmm...

@modest prairie Panther 2 is workable. Just not very flexible in many situations. It's huge and has ok DPM.

modest prairie Nov 4, 2018, 4:35 PM

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@limpid elm yeah needs a buff it can't compete with 0 armour and low dmp in comparison to the other meds

indigo knot Nov 4, 2018, 4:35 PM

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@narrow terrace add cent1 to the list too

limpid elm Nov 4, 2018, 4:35 PM

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@modest prairie A buff to what?

narrow terrace Nov 4, 2018, 4:35 PM

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what bet?

modest prairie Nov 4, 2018, 4:36 PM

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Dpm and speed @limpid elm

indigo knot Nov 4, 2018, 4:36 PM

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These two can beat mod1 1v1

limpid elm Nov 4, 2018, 4:36 PM

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@modest prairie That's it?

little crest Nov 4, 2018, 4:36 PM

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Buffing Panther II's dpm will make it quite broken

narrow terrace Nov 4, 2018, 4:37 PM

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yes indien panzer has enough pen i think

modest prairie Nov 4, 2018, 4:37 PM

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@little crest nrly it's still massive with no armour

little crest Nov 4, 2018, 4:37 PM

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Then play it cowardly

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and keep on performing hulldown to make it a harder target

modest prairie Nov 4, 2018, 4:38 PM

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Still slow and has not enough dmp

limpid elm Nov 4, 2018, 4:38 PM

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I like how in this chat room, Black Prince is hardly ever mentioned. 🤔

indigo knot Nov 4, 2018, 4:39 PM

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I think panter 2 is quite good and can bully Russian meds which have low pen gun

modest prairie Nov 4, 2018, 4:39 PM

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@limpid elm I love the BP my WR is 64% with 500 battles

indigo knot Nov 4, 2018, 4:40 PM

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@limpid elm everyone mostly play tier8 and at tier 8 even hellsing and drac are balanced out

modest prairie Nov 4, 2018, 4:40 PM

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@indigo knot what about when they face tier 6?

limpid elm Nov 4, 2018, 4:41 PM

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@modest prairie Eh, don't ya mean tier 9?

ember thunder Nov 4, 2018, 4:41 PM

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Hey now I am getting used to tiger 2
HURRAY

little crest Nov 4, 2018, 4:42 PM

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modest prairie Nov 4, 2018, 4:42 PM

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@limpid elm the drac and helsing

limpid elm Nov 4, 2018, 4:42 PM

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@ember thunder And how is the tank? As bad as you had expected?

ember thunder Nov 4, 2018, 4:42 PM

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A little better

little crest Nov 4, 2018, 4:42 PM

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"not enough dpm" @modest prairie

indigo knot Nov 4, 2018, 4:42 PM

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Cent 1 has less dpm than panther2😮

modest prairie Nov 4, 2018, 4:42 PM

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@little crest what about armour?

limpid elm Nov 4, 2018, 4:43 PM

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😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

little crest Nov 4, 2018, 4:43 PM

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It is fine

indigo knot Nov 4, 2018, 4:43 PM

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Indien panzer is such an underrated tank...no one mentioned it😢

limpid elm Nov 4, 2018, 4:44 PM

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@indigo knot Feels bad man. Just like the VK30.02M.

little crest Nov 4, 2018, 4:44 PM

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who needs armor when you get penned?

indigo knot Nov 4, 2018, 4:45 PM

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@limpid elm yaa that one good too ....awesome gun and dmp....and vk3001p is an awesome tank too

limpid elm Nov 4, 2018, 4:45 PM

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@little crest If you are talking about mediums, fair point.

livid harbor Nov 4, 2018, 4:53 PM

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@indigo knot has 23 mm more pen

unique scaffold Nov 4, 2018, 5:39 PM

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I love the Indian Panzer, on paper it is just an average medium but the package is very good.

midnight tendon Nov 4, 2018, 6:09 PM

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Jg Pz IV needs a reload buff

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Churchill GC needs a armor nerf and pen nerf

regal grove Nov 4, 2018, 6:15 PM

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Make Panther II faster and it will make sense for E50 fat ram ranch line

olive wren Nov 4, 2018, 6:17 PM

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Yes Panther II is to slow

lone warren Nov 4, 2018, 6:18 PM

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i think ru251 needs a mobility buff too slow

coarse harness Nov 4, 2018, 6:58 PM

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Nerf the GC ???
There are some serious problem with you...

crude raft Nov 4, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Yeah. The GC is highly immobile and the armor and gun is what make up for the horrid mobility. You want them to be nerfed?

sharp wind Nov 4, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Armor? Hast thou been inhaling the serum of the degenerate?

unique scaffold Nov 4, 2018, 7:07 PM

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Nerf bp ('-')

unique scaffold Nov 4, 2018, 7:48 PM

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Gc has armor??

jovial kernel Nov 4, 2018, 7:52 PM

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yeah it actually has 130mm on the front

burnt lava Nov 4, 2018, 8:19 PM

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But its completely flat, so...

gentle gorge Nov 4, 2018, 8:20 PM

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@burnt lava so when you angle it is becomes slightly decent

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And the gun is godly @burnt lava

burnt lava Nov 4, 2018, 8:21 PM

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*Slightly decent. Players with any intelligence will just cod you

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Yeah, the gun is great, its one of the guns on the AT15, tier 8 British td

gentle gorge Nov 4, 2018, 8:22 PM

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@burnt lava it has decent traverse and it's very long so not as easy as you would think, you also should never play it out in the open, you should play it near cover, also stopping cod

burnt lava Nov 4, 2018, 8:23 PM

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Yeah, well tbh I haven't played it yet, I've just heard that its really bad. Seen some gameplay as well

gentle gorge Nov 4, 2018, 8:25 PM

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People think it's really bad because it takes so much XP to get the top gun and it's horrible when it's stock but after then I love it, that's why I free xpd the guns. And if you have the at15 gun then you save 20000 or so xp

burnt lava Nov 4, 2018, 8:25 PM

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I'm just hoping that I can grind to it before the update

gentle gorge Nov 4, 2018, 8:27 PM

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What are you on now?

unique scaffold Nov 4, 2018, 8:36 PM

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Its still flat, it stops nothing

jovial kernel Nov 4, 2018, 8:39 PM

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literally has the raw armor to just eat shells from tier 5 tanks

burnt lava Nov 4, 2018, 8:43 PM

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@gentle gorge I'm halfway through the Matilda

gentle gorge Nov 4, 2018, 8:43 PM

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@jovial kernel @unique scaffold I do get bounces occasionally

jovial kernel Nov 4, 2018, 8:44 PM

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don't need to bounce then the sheer thickness of the plate is more than their penetration lol

flat maple Nov 4, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Why is the caevron so bad

twilit crystal Nov 4, 2018, 8:58 PM

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coz BP has more dpm a tier lower

regal grove Nov 4, 2018, 9:00 PM

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Before buff Caern was still obviously better but now that BP did Caern also needs a buff

jovial kernel Nov 4, 2018, 9:02 PM

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Caernarvon has dpm penetration mobility and armor, it's not bad just not as good

regal grove Nov 4, 2018, 9:04 PM

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Dpm lol y not pick medium, pen lol no, mobility lol soviets mucho fast, armor lol y is that a thing

jovial kernel Nov 4, 2018, 9:05 PM

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The upper plate is pretty strong and so is the turret for the most part, it has 2600 dpm, it's mobile among heavy tanks, and the penetration beats every tier 8 medium other than the cent 1

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why is the M4 49 the only good french premium

copper heath Nov 4, 2018, 9:14 PM

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@jovial kernel cdc, amx fcm. Two great premiums

jovial kernel Nov 4, 2018, 9:18 PM

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eh they're okay

twilit crystal Nov 4, 2018, 9:19 PM

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coz WG doesnt want players to play high skill medum or lights or autoloaders and wants eveyrone to play heavies

copper heath Nov 4, 2018, 9:22 PM

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@jovial kernel m4 49 is like tiger 2

plush field Nov 4, 2018, 9:48 PM

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Why does the type 61 feel like it has the same camo values as a MAUS ??????

unique scaffold Nov 4, 2018, 9:50 PM

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cause it doesn't have russian bias

random anvil Nov 4, 2018, 10:11 PM

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AMX 12t needs improvements imo. It has terrible depression angles, terrible accuracy and gun stabilization

shut roost Nov 4, 2018, 10:16 PM

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it will not help you how to remove tanks because noobs will not learn so, so how to remove tanks will not solve the problem with new players who can not play it I would leave as it was in patch 5.4 when it comes to tanks

copper heath Nov 4, 2018, 10:20 PM

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@random anvil amx 12t is so good tank!!!!!! I will screenshoot my wr..so you will see

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@random anvil just look!! One of the greatest tier 6!!!

📎 Screenshot_20181104-232131.png

random anvil Nov 4, 2018, 10:23 PM

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Yeah but that doesn’t remove it’s bad sides I mentioned

hidden solstice Nov 4, 2018, 10:23 PM

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It sucks

vast trench Nov 4, 2018, 10:23 PM

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Oigan alguien de aqui abla español

copper heath Nov 4, 2018, 10:24 PM

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Only skill you need!

random anvil Nov 4, 2018, 10:24 PM

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Ik. But I want more comfort

unique scaffold Nov 4, 2018, 10:49 PM

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@shut roost. Spamming the same thing in multiple channels isn't going to change anything. It's just annoying.

jade cargoBOT Nov 4, 2018, 10:50 PM

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dynoSuccess Warning logged for Damian Bychu Bystrzycki#4838. They were not warned.

wet quail Nov 4, 2018, 11:11 PM

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12 is a good tank

gentle gorge Nov 4, 2018, 11:22 PM

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@random anvil 12 t has bad gun depression because it is French and has an oscillating turret, it also doesn't have terrible accuracy and gun stabilisation, wait till you reach the 13 75, to me that felt worse other than dpm

random anvil Nov 4, 2018, 11:23 PM

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I’m not gonna play on 13 75

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Gonna jump to tier VIII with free exp @gentle gorge

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The only tank I want from that branch is BC25t and I want it ASAP

unique scaffold Nov 4, 2018, 11:25 PM

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nerf the drac
im sure it wont get nerfed

sacred bolt Nov 4, 2018, 11:28 PM

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@random anvil dude I just got rid of 13 90. It really makes you cancer. But 13 75 is a bit more better than 13 90. I recommend you to play on 13 75 and skip 13 90 to tier IX

random anvil Nov 4, 2018, 11:29 PM

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🤔

copper heath Nov 4, 2018, 11:45 PM

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@random anvil play all tanks amx!! Dont jump tree!! All tanks are good!!

little crest Nov 4, 2018, 11:46 PM

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Nice! 😄 @copper heath rip my amx 12 stats though

random anvil Nov 4, 2018, 11:46 PM

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Yeah especially 12t. Don’t make me laugh @copper heath

copper heath Nov 4, 2018, 11:48 PM

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Look my stats...im not good player but this tanks are good!!!

📎 Screenshot_20181105-004709.png 📎 Screenshot_20181105-004734.png

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@little crest 😁 😁

lyric tendon Nov 5, 2018, 12:11 AM

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@quick lichen @toxic tapir Maybe you should look at this nick.

quick lichen Nov 5, 2018, 12:11 AM

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Already did

lyric tendon Nov 5, 2018, 12:12 AM

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So where is the punishment? Insult + sexual content.

quick lichen Nov 5, 2018, 12:13 AM

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It’s been handled

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You’d know if you used more than two channels

lyric tendon Nov 5, 2018, 12:13 AM

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If its handled why he still has same nick?

jade cargoBOT Nov 5, 2018, 12:14 AM

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dynoSuccess AMINA-KOYAM#7990 was muted

burnt lava Nov 5, 2018, 2:02 AM

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The AMX 12t is good, the AMX 13 75 is almost the same tank, 1 tier higher

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13 75 has almost the same stats as the 12t, but much worse depression/elevation

devout shuttle Nov 5, 2018, 2:36 AM

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1375 is just a bad tank

modern sentinel Nov 5, 2018, 2:36 AM

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Any tank can be good if you use it correctly

devout shuttle Nov 5, 2018, 2:37 AM

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I have used it correctly bit it usually underperforms when compared to other tier 7 lights

timid galleon Nov 5, 2018, 2:44 AM

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dude, the 13 75 is an excellent tank

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 3:04 AM

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laughs in Type 62

flat bane Nov 5, 2018, 3:04 AM

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Never played it, and never will

near rapids Nov 5, 2018, 3:15 AM

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Type 62 is op for a light

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 3:19 AM

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Yes
HEAT pen
Fire rate & DPM
HP + manœuverability

modern sentinel Nov 5, 2018, 3:19 AM

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HEAT spamming Type 62s arent fun

shy wren Nov 5, 2018, 3:25 AM

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Unless they hit your tracks
Or spaced armor

solar flicker Nov 5, 2018, 3:25 AM

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HE should get like 5 extra pen for tier V - X

split atlas Nov 5, 2018, 3:36 AM

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laughs in kv2

modern fern Nov 5, 2018, 3:42 AM

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cries in leopard

unique fulcrum Nov 5, 2018, 4:09 AM

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@solar flicker HE doesn’t need more pen. People just need to learn how to aim

rapid merlin Nov 5, 2018, 5:03 AM

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HE should have more pen than AP

robust haven Nov 5, 2018, 5:34 AM

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Yeahhhh nope

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 5:37 AM

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BT-7 Arty gotta wipe its brow

robust haven Nov 5, 2018, 5:39 AM

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Wondering how the BT-7 Art is gonna be after 5.5

coarse meteor Nov 5, 2018, 5:52 AM

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agreed

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 5:53 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20181105-065215.jpg

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 6:07 AM

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BT-7 art remains basically untouched in 5.5 according to the test server, only alpha on the AP that no one uses and HE module damage get nerfed

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 6:13 AM

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@copper heath ko te sta pito

fringe summit Nov 5, 2018, 6:31 AM

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Rip BT-7 Art.

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 6:52 AM

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dude the BT-7 art is basically untouched because the only things that change are you can't ammo rack with HE anymore and the AP gets an alpha nerf

normal sky Nov 5, 2018, 7:56 AM

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Thats the WG doing the job correctly 😀

remote valley Nov 5, 2018, 8:02 AM

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@jovial kernel u do know the module dmg nerf might be quite significant, meaning ur less likely to dmg modules as often as u wud previously

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so basically its currently just hp dmg were looking at. rarely be seeing engine dmg, ammo dmg or even ammorekt moments from tht tank

copper heath Nov 5, 2018, 9:12 AM

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@unique scaffold moram malo ljudima srat. Steta kaj se ne mogu tu svađati..da me ne banaju 😂 😂 😂 😂

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 9:56 AM

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Ahaahhah

unique fulcrum Nov 5, 2018, 9:57 AM

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Needs nerf asap

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remote valley Nov 5, 2018, 10:08 AM

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sry mate ur results alone aint gonna convince wg to nerf XD

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 10:08 AM

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how do you not suck at the game plz thanks

remote valley Nov 5, 2018, 10:32 AM

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he got dem skillz @jovial kernel 😎

copper heath Nov 5, 2018, 10:43 AM

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@unique scaffold vidi ovog busha..misli da cim ima wr malo bolji odmah treba nerfat tenka..bas je egoisticno govno hahahah

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Stavi ti stats tigera P pa napisi da treba buff 😂 😂

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 10:57 AM

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@copper heath this is the English server.

copper heath Nov 5, 2018, 11:00 AM

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@unique scaffold i kaj sad?? Mozda ne znam engleski. A tebi bi bilo vrijeme da naucis konacno hrvatski jer neces nikad u zivotu napredovati, a ni zajednica oko tebe nazalost... 😕

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 11:00 AM

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That isn't English.

scenic gate Nov 5, 2018, 11:05 AM

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@unique fulcrum the Foch is most definitely very strong, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was nerfed eventually

unique fulcrum Nov 5, 2018, 11:05 AM

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@scenic gate it is godly

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Its an SU122 On roids LOL can out turn meds, goes fast dpm, pen

scenic gate Nov 5, 2018, 11:10 AM

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Put the extended consumables equipment on it, pop adrenaline for 20 seconds and rip anyone

unique fulcrum Nov 5, 2018, 11:11 AM

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@scenic gate i go unlock that slot...

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I forgot about that... here I come 2800 avg dmg

scenic gate Nov 5, 2018, 11:12 AM

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Yeah it’s nice, got me to 3k

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 11:18 AM

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Showoff's

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#502009251787440139 thumbsup /thumbsdown

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@copper heath ahahahaha koja budala misli da moze protiv yoko onoa 😂😂

ivory fractal Nov 5, 2018, 11:39 AM

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@unique scaffold @copper heath English only please.

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 12:18 PM

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I've mentioned this before but I think the Bulldog is the hidden gem of tier VII and perhaps just a smidge OP.

inner comet Nov 5, 2018, 12:21 PM

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2,5k dpm and mobility, i love the bulldog

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 12:21 PM

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I disagree

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And a laser of a gun when you run the single shot. That thing lands shots on the move like nobody's business. If you can stay alive towards the end game it is a game changing tank. I killed three low health tanks just as fast as I could reload this AM. Raced into their group, boom, boom, boom, and that's game.

I ♥️ the Bulldog

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Definitely the best of the tier VII tech tree lights.

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Bulldog is amazing. It's like if the Americans got a Maybach engine

finite kelp Nov 5, 2018, 12:46 PM

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The M41 Bulldog has such low damage though which I think is ridiculous for a tier VII light tank, in my opinion it should have a 200 alpha instead of a 150 alpha. Comparing it to all other tier VII light tanks, it’s not a good tank.

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 12:48 PM

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M41 Bulldog is avg
I prefer the AMX 13 75 and T71 because of autoloaders

finite kelp Nov 5, 2018, 12:48 PM

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The M41 has an auto loader, however most people prefer the 4.3 second pea shooter barrel.

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 12:51 PM

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Because the autoloader has low pen, and I don’t like that bulldog because once in a while I got a good game, others just got shredded by enemy teams

jolly ermine Nov 5, 2018, 1:10 PM

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Does the game seem to have lag problems for others since this last update? During the game when a match starts my ping seems to be good but as soon as the match progresses on and I get closer to other tanks the lag begins to pick up big time. I've seen my ping go from 190 starting clear up to 1200 in just 30 seconds

fiery cairn Nov 5, 2018, 1:14 PM

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The t71 is better

solar flicker Nov 5, 2018, 1:15 PM

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@unique fulcrum i get what your saying but maybe a small difference so RNG dont screw with HE lovers

fiery sedge Nov 5, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Has everyone notice theres always 2 scavengers on a team

soft stream Nov 5, 2018, 3:00 PM

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Eh, kinda

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 3:01 PM

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Yes always If you on a 5 or 6 tank

soft stream Nov 5, 2018, 3:01 PM

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I'm usually one of those two

zealous stone Nov 5, 2018, 3:56 PM

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just an idea give T34-3 a dpm buff 1sec off from the reload and maybe 1° more of depresion from 5 to 6

lapis shadow Nov 5, 2018, 4:04 PM

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The AMX 50 120 definitely needs a gun depression buff to like 7-8, 6 feels far too short

regal grove Nov 5, 2018, 4:06 PM

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nah, amx50b would be totally worse then

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 4:10 PM

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it'd just be too depressing to play then

tropic tide Nov 5, 2018, 4:15 PM

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Why is panther 2 amor not like e50 it should fit in the line with the IX And X

quick lichen Nov 5, 2018, 4:16 PM

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Uh

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It’s a tier 8?

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 4:20 PM

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Also it's a Panther, I don't think those are known for armor.

quick lichen Nov 5, 2018, 4:21 PM

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🤦🏼‍♂️

mighty plover Nov 5, 2018, 4:21 PM

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@jovial kernel oi

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 4:22 PM

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Why doesn't my T49 have the accuracy of the T-62 and the armor of the Maus? 🤣

plush umbra Nov 5, 2018, 4:22 PM

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lmoa donut has taken another form

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 4:22 PM

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Why doesn't my IS-6 have a CDC engine?

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 4:22 PM

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@jovial kernel why doesn't my CDC have IS-6 armor?

plush umbra Nov 5, 2018, 4:23 PM

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because its an IS-6

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 4:23 PM

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Why can't I put the KV-2's gun on my MT-25?

mighty plover Nov 5, 2018, 4:23 PM

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Lmfoa

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 4:23 PM

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Or the MT-25 gun on my KV-2?

plush umbra Nov 5, 2018, 4:24 PM

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not as much fun

mighty plover Nov 5, 2018, 4:24 PM

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The KV 2 Gun on AMX ELC bis 😂

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 4:24 PM

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No, I want a light tank that has the mobility to get behind people at tier 6 and just one shot top tier heavies 😦

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no I mean T49 with better HE pen at tier 6

shy wren Nov 5, 2018, 4:25 PM

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Do you remember the guy who draws tanks that depicts how tanks look like if they swap guns and hulls?

mighty plover Nov 5, 2018, 4:25 PM

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Wut

plush umbra Nov 5, 2018, 4:26 PM

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is that an t-34-85 in simpleplanes?

shy wren Nov 5, 2018, 4:27 PM

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Yep, made it myself; it’s the K230

plush umbra Nov 5, 2018, 4:27 PM

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noice

shy wren Nov 5, 2018, 4:28 PM

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@mighty plover like a Maus with loltractor turret or MS-1 with IS turret

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 4:28 PM

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Why can't I get a KV-2 gun on my T-54 ltwt?

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 4:33 PM

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I'd like the KV-2 gun on my T49.😐

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 4:33 PM

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nah T-54 ltwt for maximum bias

shy wren Nov 5, 2018, 4:34 PM

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Nah, gib KV-2 light tank mobility and camo for maximum Russian Bias
Gib it rounded turret and sloped hull... wait, that’s T-54 ltwt

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 4:36 PM

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take the KV-2 then give it a 60 kph top speed, CDC engine, and the armor of the AT 2

shy wren Nov 5, 2018, 4:36 PM

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That’s the Kpz 70, a German

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 4:37 PM

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@jovial kernel give it an e50m engine

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@jovial kernel I think you missed my point. I'd like the 152mm on the T49 to have the same alpha as a 152mm gun that is two tiers lower.

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 4:43 PM

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I think that's asking too much from wargaming, buffing a tank to have the same gun as a russian tank two tiers lower? that's just too far man.

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 4:43 PM

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Silly me.

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True. Why do T49 and Kampf Panzer 70 have lowered dmg?

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 4:45 PM

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MBT 70 is a bad tank in the first place, no way wargaming would ever consider making a german tank competitive

cedar fulcrum Nov 5, 2018, 4:45 PM

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@jovial kernel After that it will be balanced.

versed night Nov 5, 2018, 4:45 PM

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Why is keni otsu not tier x light

cedar fulcrum Nov 5, 2018, 4:46 PM

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@versed night It will be overpowered in tier x.

versed night Nov 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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True. After all it can kill e4 in 45 sec (tested)

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 4:47 PM

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too much dpm would out dpm batchats /s

honest lynx Nov 5, 2018, 5:05 PM

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can you buff Type59 ? his reload and penetration is pathetic

fluid ferry Nov 5, 2018, 5:07 PM

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Hi what are you think about t-34-3?

cedar fulcrum Nov 5, 2018, 5:07 PM

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@honest lynx no git gud.

fluid ferry Nov 5, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Worf for 10000 gold?

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 5:12 PM

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@copper heath @unique scaffold banat ce vas ako ne pisete engleski 😄

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 5:31 PM

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Ma zaboli me 😂😂 @unique scaffold

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@fluid ferry absolutely not

jade cargoBOT Nov 5, 2018, 5:51 PM

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dynoSuccess ɴᴀʀᴄᴏʟᴇᴘᴛɪᴄɴᴏᴏʙ (ᴘᴢɢᴇʀ)#0107 was muted

quick lichen Nov 5, 2018, 5:52 PM

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@fluid ferry I just bought mine

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Love it

small flame Nov 5, 2018, 5:53 PM

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@honest lynx why the hell do you think the type 59 needs a buff?

unkempt lagoon Nov 5, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Spammajte im hrvatski

quick lichen Nov 5, 2018, 5:56 PM

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@unkempt lagoon English only please

unkempt lagoon Nov 5, 2018, 5:57 PM

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I be apologize becos my emglesh be so so bed

small flame Nov 5, 2018, 5:57 PM

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what language you speak?

unkempt lagoon Nov 5, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Whot you sayed me not understend

small flame Nov 5, 2018, 5:59 PM

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hablas espanol? O Ruski?

unkempt lagoon Nov 5, 2018, 5:59 PM

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English only please!Or banned!

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 6:00 PM

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There is a reason it's called the English server.

unkempt lagoon Nov 5, 2018, 6:01 PM

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Yes ban that guy pls

small flame Nov 5, 2018, 6:03 PM

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wtf. thank you @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 6:04 PM

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It is croatian @small flame

small flame Nov 5, 2018, 6:07 PM

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yes thats cool. i was jjst trying to communicate with the guy who couldnt speak english very well. but now he wants me banned for that. oh well

jade cargoBOT Nov 5, 2018, 6:48 PM

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dynoSuccess jokoiron#5349 has been warned.

worthy jasper Nov 5, 2018, 6:52 PM

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LMAO

copper heath Nov 5, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Hahah nice joke. @jade cargo

quick lichen Nov 5, 2018, 7:09 PM

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You showed him/her/it

graceful heart Nov 5, 2018, 7:23 PM

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Rippp

unkempt lagoon Nov 5, 2018, 8:09 PM

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Enable global emotes hellooo!?!

smoky cave Nov 5, 2018, 8:15 PM

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Isn't possible to make classes in game result worth some currency? For example Ace Tanker would be worth 100 gold or something like it and then lower amount depending on class.

obsidian osprey Nov 5, 2018, 8:23 PM

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No, there’d be zero incentive for WG to make the game free. You could just farm aces in one of the niche tanks no one plays and never have to spend another dime again

cedar flower Nov 5, 2018, 8:32 PM

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For a while, I had a 20% ace rate in the IS-8.

tender drift Nov 5, 2018, 8:32 PM

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you could farm ace tanks in T-34-3 since no one will ever play it since is so underpowered like most chinese meds xd

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 8:39 PM

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meh, I think it could be Ace gives you 10 gold times the top tier tank in that match, so if you're top tier in a tier 9 and ace you get 90 gold but if it's a tier 10 match you get 100 gold

late hemlock Nov 5, 2018, 8:40 PM

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WG would never give out gold like that

dull river Nov 5, 2018, 8:41 PM

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Yea

small flame Nov 5, 2018, 8:43 PM

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Why do you guys dislike the t-34-3? It’s a very good tank

dense sleet Nov 5, 2018, 8:44 PM

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3.91 rpm

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 8:45 PM

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dpm is over rated

dense sleet Nov 5, 2018, 8:45 PM

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my is6 has a faster rpm than it at 4.81, which is 12.5 sec reload

small flame Nov 5, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Yes we’ll dpm. Isn’t everything. And it has 400 alpha as a med

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 8:46 PM

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I mean mine reloads in 10.3 but still dpm is over rated

dense sleet Nov 5, 2018, 8:46 PM

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dpm is what you want, like the su-122-44, or both of the Chinese tier X

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 8:47 PM

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lol what no 121 has crap dpm

proven helm Nov 5, 2018, 8:47 PM

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The is6 is built to take fire so it can take advantage of that firerate, the t34-3 is built to dip in and out of combat so a high firerate wpuld be pointless.

dense sleet Nov 5, 2018, 8:47 PM

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400 dpm reload in 8.7 sec on my su 122-44, haven't gotten the Chinese tier x yet, and the Su-122-44 has amazing dpm, 400 alpha at 8.7 sec reload, its a tier 7 perm tank

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 8:48 PM

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I might get that one but the SU-152 gets like 3.3k dpm

dense sleet Nov 5, 2018, 8:49 PM

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the su 122-44 gets 3.480 dpm

lament vessel Nov 5, 2018, 9:13 PM

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In my opinion, T34-3 is a very nice tank, however it's reload time is a bit too much (13secs) and the pen isn't good at all (175mm in AP, I guess). Well, so I think WG should buff the reload time and maybe the pen.
Reload should be something around 11secs and the AP pen 185/190mm...

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T34-3 has one of the worst T8 dpm

quick lichen Nov 5, 2018, 9:14 PM

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The 122-44 gets 2800 dpm...

lament vessel Nov 5, 2018, 9:15 PM

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Yes, T7 tanks has better dpm then it lol

tight verge Nov 5, 2018, 9:15 PM

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@tight cedar

cedar fulcrum Nov 5, 2018, 9:48 PM

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@lament vessel If you buff t-34-3 you have to buff some other medium tanks too.

umbral hound Nov 5, 2018, 9:56 PM

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Buff the American T32

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It needs it

lilac kettle Nov 5, 2018, 9:58 PM

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Pen yes

umbral hound Nov 5, 2018, 9:59 PM

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^^ Yes ^^

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 10:00 PM

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I mean it's balanced to just not take damage when it's hull down basically

dark pike Nov 5, 2018, 10:01 PM

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the gun handling and pen is bad

lilac kettle Nov 5, 2018, 10:03 PM

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Up close it’s op

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 10:04 PM

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If you think the pen is bad drive a stock gun IS-6.

lilac kettle Nov 5, 2018, 10:05 PM

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175 pen

umbral hound Nov 5, 2018, 10:06 PM

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Sure but the IS-6 gets to upgrade to the 122.

lilac kettle Nov 5, 2018, 10:07 PM

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Very true

umbral hound Nov 5, 2018, 10:07 PM

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If you have to compare a stock IS-6 to a fully upgraded T32 heavy then it seems like a problem right?

sharp wind Nov 5, 2018, 10:08 PM

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The T32 has a better gun compared to majority of stock tanks at its tier

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 10:27 PM

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Hello

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 10:50 PM

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Anyone else think the AT series beyond the AT-2 needs a cupola armor buff? Or is it just me

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 10:50 PM

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oh yeah it absolutely needs that

copper heath Nov 5, 2018, 10:51 PM

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T32 is so good tank! And the gun is good!! No buff

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 10:51 PM

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Yes T32 is balanced as is

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 10:52 PM

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how do people think 198mm pen at tier 8 is bad lmao

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 10:52 PM

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You just need to aim tons of tanks have weak points with lower armor

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 10:53 PM

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laughs in WZ-120-1 FT with lower plate hidden behind terrain

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 10:53 PM

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So true

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I Play rather aggressively in it often going front line with heavies blocking their hull to protect them

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Got 540 battles and 57 masteries

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 10:56 PM

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@versed lark it's just you.

copper heath Nov 5, 2018, 10:56 PM

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@jovial kernel well than you not have enough skill for t32

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 10:56 PM

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That thinks AT7 AT8 and AT 15 needs cupola Buff?

halcyon wyvern Nov 5, 2018, 10:57 PM

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no

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 10:58 PM

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honestly what's with people complaining about 198mm pen in the T32, I'd love that in my IS-6

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 10:58 PM

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Sure. Every tank needs a weakspot and having that one there is your punishment for grinding to the 183.

halcyon wyvern Nov 5, 2018, 10:58 PM

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At1 buff to 350mm armour 60km sperd

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 10:59 PM

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No not complaining of 183 I think it’s rather balanced

dark pike Nov 5, 2018, 10:59 PM

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at 7 and at 8 have too much weakspots and weak frontal armor

copper heath Nov 5, 2018, 10:59 PM

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@jovial kernel you have in equpment better pen if you want

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 11:00 PM

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@dark pike once again, that is what you get for grinding the 183. That whole process should be as painful as possible.

dark pike Nov 5, 2018, 11:00 PM

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fair enough

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 11:00 PM

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Don’t even have Death Star stopped at tortoise and gave up on the line

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 11:00 PM

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@copper heath If I use that, I lose the DPM advantage over same tier mediums.

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 11:00 PM

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Excellent. Then it is working as intended.

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 11:01 PM

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Just the lack of how slow and how weak the armor is it just isn’t enjoyable

dark pike Nov 5, 2018, 11:01 PM

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give the t28 the pc armor and model

copper heath Nov 5, 2018, 11:01 PM

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@jovial kernel yes. But you have always option. What do you need more?!

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For me, t32 is so op tank. I use faster reload.

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 11:02 PM

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Because if I want 2400 dpm I need to put up with 175mm pen

tender drift Nov 5, 2018, 11:02 PM

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at least they could buff the pen

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 11:03 PM

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No pen is fine for t8

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 11:03 PM

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nah the T32 does not need a pen buff at all guys wtf

tender drift Nov 5, 2018, 11:03 PM

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since it carries a "heavy tank" gun or at least that dpm since i just checked and it gets outnumbered by almost every tier 6 ingame except for kv1s i guess

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 11:04 PM

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Can pen weak points on frontal armor of most heavies already

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 11:04 PM

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go play the Caernarvon if you want penetration and dpm

tender drift Nov 5, 2018, 11:04 PM

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ups mb was meaning about the T-34-3 lol ..

dark pike Nov 5, 2018, 11:06 PM

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caernarvon should have a stronger turret than the centurion

tender drift Nov 5, 2018, 11:06 PM

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@unique scaffold still at least pen would help more since i ain't getting a tank just to spam HEAT after lol , i ain't a good player , not a really bad one either , and i liked the T-34-2 but this one just feels more "clumsy " than the techtree version of it lol

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 11:07 PM

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yeah that's a bit annoying, but the dpm and penetration in the same bundle more than make up for it

tender drift Nov 5, 2018, 11:08 PM

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well if you do not have pen at least some dpm could cope for the shot's you missed and there is alot of troll armor in tier 8 lol

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 11:09 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20181106-000915.jpg

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10 battles 0 win !!! Always !! Change u fcking MM wot

copper heath Nov 5, 2018, 11:13 PM

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@unique scaffold hahahah 😂 😂 😂 😍 👌

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 11:17 PM

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@unique scaffold. What's the common thing in all those matches?

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 11:18 PM

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Trash teammates most likely

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 11:19 PM

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@versed lark. Nope. Try again

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 11:19 PM

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Blaze relies somewhat heavily on teamwork

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I sometimes do 3k damage and only get 300-340xp on losses

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 11:20 PM

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@versed lark. I'll give you a clue... It's him. He was the common thing in all of those matches.

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 11:21 PM

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Ok kinda rude but there surely other factors 270xp on a loss is rather decent

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200 where it gets rather worrying

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 11:27 PM

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Not meaning to be rude. I just don't sugar coat things. He is the common theme. When is he getting that damage? Is it important damage or is it end of the match damage when the game is already lost?

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 11:28 PM

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^ I need to work on this a lot, getting damage early in the game when it matters is an extremely important skill

limpid elm Nov 5, 2018, 11:28 PM

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@unique scaffold To be fair, the replays wasn't sent so we don't know anything. Saying something like that is not the nicest thing to say.

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 11:28 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20181106-002652.jpg

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 11:29 PM

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have you considered playing a tank you aren't terrible in

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 11:29 PM

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If you lose 10 in a row you are doing something wrong. It's not nice but it's the truth.

I can't even remember the last time I lost ten in a row.

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12 battles 0 win !! LOL 😂

quick lichen Nov 5, 2018, 11:29 PM

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I stop playing after 4 losses in a row

limpid elm Nov 5, 2018, 11:29 PM

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@quick lichen Lol same.

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 11:30 PM

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after 3 in a row I swap off tanks, also I finally climbed out of the hole to 50% so that's pretty nifty I'd say

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 11:30 PM

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Just lost in a AT-2 over 5k damage blocked 635 damage done

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 11:30 PM

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I stop to play l'm 😡

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 11:30 PM

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I think my 13 win streak from when I got the Tankenstein helped a lot with getting to 50% lol

unique scaffold Nov 5, 2018, 11:31 PM

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Bye

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 11:32 PM

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dark pike Nov 5, 2018, 11:33 PM

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they cant aim

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 11:33 PM

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They kept using HE

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Told them mid match my cupola was weak point they kept hitting hull with HE don’t know why

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 11:35 PM

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lmao

limpid elm Nov 5, 2018, 11:36 PM

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They probably don't know what you mean.

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 11:36 PM

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That what I assumed till a enemy leapord flanked me and kept hitting cupola

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Got him eventually after went back onto a rock wall and kept traversing

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@hybrid spoke what are your thoughts on the armor of the cupolas on the AT-7, AT-8, and AT-15?

dark pike Nov 5, 2018, 11:40 PM

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t6 and t7 are both garbage

limpid elm Nov 5, 2018, 11:40 PM

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@versed lark Bushka never speaks.

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 11:41 PM

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Could always be a first you never know

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 11:42 PM

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Bushka(mp) likes the AT 7 a lot if I'm not mistaken

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no he actually likes the tank with the 20 pdr which is easily actually one of the best guns in the tier

quick lichen Nov 5, 2018, 11:43 PM

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@versed lark how many people do you think @ him a day on this server?

jovial kernel Nov 5, 2018, 11:43 PM

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yes

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 11:44 PM

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Roughly 60-70

quick lichen Nov 5, 2018, 11:46 PM

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Do you think he has time to respond to all of those? @versed lark

versed lark Nov 5, 2018, 11:46 PM

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Nope I’ld assume he might check a few now and then though

quick lichen Nov 5, 2018, 11:46 PM

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Pm me please. I’ll share a secret

limpid elm Nov 5, 2018, 11:47 PM

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🤔

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 12:32 AM

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I got a question, why are soooo many other premium tanks getting nerfed like crazy but the one 5$ Keni Otsu isnt.

snow dust Nov 6, 2018, 12:33 AM

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Lol cuz its useless anyhow

visual nimbus Nov 6, 2018, 12:43 AM

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Hardly anyone has the tank anyway

versed lark Nov 6, 2018, 1:18 AM

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So unused that it not a big problem

cedar fulcrum Nov 6, 2018, 1:19 AM

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Haha it will be used a lot after update 5.5. Also pz 2j is nearly unused but its getting a nerf too.

versed lark Nov 6, 2018, 1:21 AM

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Idk the people that have it have higher tier tanks by now that are premium only reason they would go back is for W/L ratio

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Most are I believe satisfied with their W/L ratio but there will be the few people trying to still get them easy wins

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 1:25 AM

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Heres the thing

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The tank now has a higher advantage. There arent many tanks to compete it. It will ruin low tier mm. Just nerf it ASAP

cedar fulcrum Nov 6, 2018, 1:27 AM

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If wg does not nerf kenny with update all kenny owners will start sealclub so hard. Kenny will have 4x more dpm then others while having not a disadvantage to cover its massive advantage.

@unique scaffold We will see it. If wg doesnt touch kenny in update 5.5 it will going to be a mess.

naive fjord Nov 6, 2018, 2:12 AM

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@cedar fulcrum yeah kenny needs a major nerf in 5.5

remote valley Nov 6, 2018, 2:20 AM

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@cedar fulcrum @naive fjord well given the rage people are having over the nerf of other premium seal clubbing tanks, im not sure if wg will dare to do it again

naive fjord Nov 6, 2018, 2:21 AM

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@remote valley good point

gentle isle Nov 6, 2018, 2:44 AM

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I hate the stupid tanks WG are selling now. Sell the Chieftain MK.6, not a bunch of useless overpriced underpowered tanks!

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its a good tank

void patrol Nov 6, 2018, 3:10 AM

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@unique scaffold 40%ers are not the problem. The problem is those newbies with less that 10 battles on record buying their way into Tier X and ruining the fun for those who spent months and years grinding to reach tier x

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 3:28 AM

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@unique scaffold i thought it said Fort Despacito hahahaha 😂 👌

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 3:31 AM

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Better underpowered than overpowered like the WZ-120-1 FT @gentle isle

void patrol Nov 6, 2018, 3:49 AM

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200+mm of effective front armor

gentle isle Nov 6, 2018, 3:52 AM

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@jovial kernel I don’t support broken tanks either looks at glorious pink WZ-120-1 FT in garage . It’s just the current batch of tanks are boring and overpriced. At least something like the Lorraine 40t is fun.

obsidian osprey Nov 6, 2018, 3:54 AM

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Ke ni otsu is the hill WG is choosing to die on. Rather than nerf the most OP tank possibly ever released, they are choosing not to alienate roughly 200 total players who have spent collectively about $1000, in order to massively hit the entirety of tier 1-6 and leave the ke ni otsu even more OP. Rip that things balls off already. Please. I’ve seen about 6 of them in 100 or so low tier battles this week and clubbed the crap out of them in retaliation (which is not hard since the average otsu driver is a 48-56%er). I’ve had it up to here with WG’s schizophrenic and ill considered buffs and nerfs while low hanging fruit like the otsu remains untouched. What are they going to? Go to apple and demand a refund for a $5 purchase 3 years ago just so you can ban them for charge backs? Get real. What WG DEV loves the otsu? The same one with love for the drac and Helsing?

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 3:55 AM

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It’s interesting that the line is drawn over the otsu

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My guess is it’s the number of players who owns it

obsidian osprey Nov 6, 2018, 3:55 AM

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yeah it’s tier 3 so who cares. And that’s why nothing is done 😦

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 3:55 AM

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1 day sale only = small number in comparison

obsidian osprey Nov 6, 2018, 3:56 AM

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At least the almost equally broken t46 and cruiser 4 are being dealt with

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 3:58 AM

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Here’s my thoughts. I have one. I’ve had it for two years. I’ve gotten my $5 out of it. Idc if it’s nerfed because I don’t feel hosed by any means. I think compensation should be there if they nerf it. Maybe like 500 gold but I’m really not upset. It surprises me to no end how angry so many people are over this. Most don’t even have one but it’s the idea that you can’t nerf premiums. That nerfing a tank that was a mistake means that every premium can be nerfed. And yes. Premium tanks can get nerfed, but they never have. The Keni otsu is such a ridiculous exception to this unwritten rule

gentle isle Nov 6, 2018, 3:59 AM

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WG claims they are offering compensation for premium tanks that are being changed. Where is the compensation for my Churchill III which will be nerfed to the ground?

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 4:18 AM

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@gentle isle all of tier 5 is getting nerfed into the ground

gentle isle Nov 6, 2018, 4:18 AM

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@quick lichen I thought the KV1 was not getting much of a nerf

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 4:19 AM

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Seems like it’s not being touched

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It’s rather odd

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Hold on

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It’s the 85 mm guns

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They’re being lowered to 140 from 200 alpha

obsidian osprey Nov 6, 2018, 4:21 AM

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I feel like the Ke Ni Otsu should be nerfed to the point that it’s comparable to the tech tree ke ni but offering higher DPM for less mobility and gun depression. Fair. Still unique and abusable but not quite so much. Offer 1500 in gold to anybody who wants out. Fair.

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woah KV-1 nerf is a red letter day 😮

gentle isle Nov 6, 2018, 4:23 AM

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I still don't think it is right to change premium tank stats without turning them into collectors

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 4:24 AM

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@obsidian osprey I back that

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@gentle isle I agree too. The thing is if you don’t like it you sell them for gold. The fun debate is the “not the full gold amount” debate. Technically the tanks still have some value, which is why you don’t get full gold value back

gentle isle Nov 6, 2018, 4:29 AM

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I have no problems whatsoever with WG turning premium tanks into collectors. The gold amount that is offered is worth the value of the tank IMO. I would be totally fine with WG removing some underpowered tier 8 premiums and turning them into collectors. In fact I would rather have them do that instead of letting them get powercreeped into obsolescence.

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 4:38 AM

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cough is-6 cough cough

void patrol Nov 6, 2018, 4:40 AM

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@quick lichen Whats wrong with the IS-6?

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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Power crept to death

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Utterly worthless

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I have two of them. I’m very sure

void patrol Nov 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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10/10 penetration and armor. Legend has it that IS-6 platoons were the most broken thing ever

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Uh what

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Is-6 has 175 pen with the dpm gun

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That’s awful

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Use the heat gun and it’s the worst dpm of any 400 alpha heavy

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Is-6 platoon was broken in 2016

void patrol Nov 6, 2018, 4:43 AM

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The higher pen gun only has 221mm of pen, and I don’t feel like it is enough

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 4:43 AM

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It’s 2018 and is-5s are better

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Power crept

void patrol Nov 6, 2018, 4:43 AM

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I wish I can sell my IS-6 for gold. Like around 5000 gold. Hated it so much

obsidian osprey Nov 6, 2018, 4:45 AM

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I’ve thought about how to balance autoloaders and howitzers and it is quite tough. For autoloaders/autocannons, the cruiser 2 is instructive. It was released with a 4 second clip reload, which is ridiculously broken. I aced it in the first game with nearly 2k damage. Barf. BUT even with a 9.5s reload, it’s still abusable because low tier players have no idea how to push on a long reload tank, obviously including the KV-2 (which is a really really bad tank except for the playerbase that sees it and the hand of Stalin one shot RNG kills on 1000+ hp lights). Howitzers are already horribly underpowered against 50%+ players at low tiers, but against new players who sit still on top of the hill on mines, they do 183 level HP damage or more (T18, or T82 abusers). The answer is either to make everything a 37mm single shot with identical reload at tier 😴 or to attempt some balance and split the queues so sub 1000 battle players don’t see each other at tiers 1-4 (and risk new players walking away after a 2 minute+ wait). There’s no true win for WG :/

visual nimbus Nov 6, 2018, 4:46 AM

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IS-6 is really easy to pick off now

obsidian osprey Nov 6, 2018, 4:48 AM

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IS-6 was always boring, but now the IS-5 has hax armor and better reload with the same bad gun and Soviet RNG. I would gladly trade my IS-6 for 7500 gold :/

void patrol Nov 6, 2018, 4:48 AM

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I heard that the IS-5 has even better armor than the IS-8

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 4:51 AM

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I don't really remember but i think is-5 was bulkier and slower is-3, while is-6 was lighter armor but faster is-3

obsidian osprey Nov 6, 2018, 4:51 AM

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Yep. Is-8 requires effort. IS-5 will bounce well aimed shots from guns that should pen it. I don’t even bother with AP anymore. APCR and bait them so Stalin’s dispersion misses anyway.

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IS-3 has the best gun out of the three that’s for sure.

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 4:54 AM

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So many tier 8 IS
Is-3
Is-3 defender
Is-5
Is-6

Do we count the glacial as an Is?

void patrol Nov 6, 2018, 4:56 AM

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Glacial is a WZ @dim field

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You forgot about the IS-2sh

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 4:57 AM

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I know, it just seems so similar to an Is-3 i joke about it.

Good gosh you are right

void patrol Nov 6, 2018, 5:09 AM

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And the IS-3 Bear @dim field

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 5:30 AM

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I thought that was just a camo

violet arrow Nov 6, 2018, 5:37 AM

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it is just a camo

obsidian osprey Nov 6, 2018, 5:45 AM

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I feel like there are a lot of IS-X counters now though with good pen,. The problem is poor power crept tier 7s like the T71 and SPIC. Thank god the bulldog got a buff.

old notch Nov 6, 2018, 5:45 AM

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Remember the time when PC M41 has a 10-round drum?

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:45 AM

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Well SP I C needs to have buffs otherwise it's rare to be seen in battle

obsidian osprey Nov 6, 2018, 5:47 AM

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SPIC was good before the nerf. PC Bulldog sounds dominant 😱

old notch Nov 6, 2018, 5:47 AM

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Nah it’s gone now, think it’s also a 3-round drum

obsidian osprey Nov 6, 2018, 5:48 AM

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Yeah 10 round sounds broken

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:48 AM

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Yeah SP I C needs buffs

More speed and traverse to compete with Russian LTTB

More HEAT penetration to be able to fight tier 8 instead of being a paper shell magnet

Reduced shell reload time in autoloader (2.5 seconds is balanced I'd say for tier 7) since the DPM isn't good as Dracula

I'm open to any opinion on what buffs SP I C needs

obsidian osprey Nov 6, 2018, 5:49 AM

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I feel like it was fine before nerf. If anything in that line, VK 28, Leo, and Luchs needed nerf

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:50 AM

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Luchs needs to be buffed back since I love playing in it in CnR lol

I'm keeping it but I'll still keep asking for traverse speed buff
Why not? It's no longer attainable but I'm still keeping a robber legend tank lol

old notch Nov 6, 2018, 5:50 AM

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Luchs is being removed anyways so... 🤷‍♂️

obsidian osprey Nov 6, 2018, 5:50 AM

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Leo escaped a nerf for no apparent reason lol

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:51 AM

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Does Wargaming listen to what players say here???

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 5:51 AM

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Not sure tbh

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 5:52 AM

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Leo and kv-1 were/are probably the biggest boss tanks in tier 5.

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:52 AM

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I won't be surprised if WG opened discord server just to make players more patient

old notch Nov 6, 2018, 5:53 AM

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Maybe

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 5:53 AM

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I think wg does listen, but remember that listening and doing what the players tell them are not the same thing.

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 5:54 AM

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Hmm well for sure SP I C badly needs a buff

Luchs also since less players would be using it

Leopard? It already got nerfed and less shells tbh. What's there to be nerfed? @dim field @obsidian osprey

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 5:58 AM

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I wasn't really saying it needs or doesn't need a buff. Was more of refering to kv-1 and leo being amoung the best tier 5 tanks. Every tier seems to have their own "boss" tanks. Boss tanks that tend to be a large difficulty spike that aren't usually handled the same as other tanks of that tier. Boss tanks are the ones that usually give less experienced players the most trouble, especially when those players are tier 4 and go up against a leo or kv-1 for the first time.

obsidian osprey Nov 6, 2018, 5:58 AM

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Did Leo get nerfed? I haven’t kept track. It’s still crazy good even in mediocre hands so I feel like it could use a light touch of nerf (a few more second of reload and slight pen nerf but preserve the mobility and clip size/characteristics). WG only listens to prammo and a few other clans as play testers for balance decisions. RU server 90% determines balance decisions anyway so why bother. They do seem to be responsive to massive player outrage when it comes to monetarily relevant things like crates though 🤷‍♀️

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:00 AM

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@dim field well SU152 is a boss tank for tier 7

Not sure about tiers 6,8,9,10

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 6:03 AM

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Agreed, I would consider su152 to be a boss tank. Used to be scared to death of them. Especially when i couldn't pen em from the front and they always seemed to be backed into a corner ready to one shot me.

For tier 6 Id wager kv-2 is a boss tank given how it is infamous for one shotting.

For tier 8 maybe rhm is a boss tank. It gets to a point though that there are less boss tanks as you go

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:04 AM

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Lol the accuracy meh.....Su100 seems to be my boss tank

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 6:04 AM

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Kv-2 is the best tank in the game especially for snapshots wdym ?

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:05 AM

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I don't do snapshots,I do very few snapshots

Only unskilled players would do it and sometimes they get dumb luck lol

Snapshots I do only with accurate guns like Lowe(full equipment) and E50M

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 6:06 AM

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16 K games and 55,38% WR have been playing since patch 1.2 and trust me the kv2 is awesome for snapshots

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:06 AM

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Nah I wouldn't take the risk of snapshots,see the gun specs. Kv2 is balanced despite the HE alpha nerf

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 6:07 AM

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I know how derpy it can be I have over 1 K games in that thing

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Ammo price for the centurion should be lower when using the max cannon

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:07 AM

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Same lol @unique scaffold

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 6:08 AM

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There can be more than one boss tank per tier. It's not so much a one per tier kinda deal.

I fear the kv-2 platoon.

Leo toon, kv-2 toon, drac toon are the platoons that scare me the most. I've been in so many games where that those toons just slaughter every man woman and child in sight. Especially given how mm balances my teams.
It'll give me one stock kv-2 and then have us go against 3 fully stocked kv-2s

narrow terrace Nov 6, 2018, 6:08 AM

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T6 Dracula ismt even so strong. Amx cdc is same and ru251 has better dpm

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:08 AM

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Yeah I love being in Dracula platoon
It's like a wolf pack with high win rate and super fast mobility

Dracula is balanced
AP is normal
But apcr is high pen
But it's paper armour and has less traverse than LTTB

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 6:09 AM

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I only do snapshots if I know I have time to reload, it pays off when I'm in my IS-6 travelling full speed and hit a 50 120 turret

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 6:09 AM

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Drac is tier 7, CDC and Ru are tier 8.
A drac toon can verse tier 6

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:10 AM

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Don't think so I recall beating a tier 7 enemy platoon types of TD and HT

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 6:10 AM

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I love playing against kv2 platoons means it's already 2 tanks in their team that I can one shot

narrow terrace Nov 6, 2018, 6:10 AM

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I am scared of helsing xd

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:11 AM

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Hellsing is slower than Dracula and less penetration
Wouldn't mind taking on two helsings at same time with an IS-5

narrow terrace Nov 6, 2018, 6:11 AM

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But mobility is way to high in amx cdc and t6 drac. They have better mobility than ru251 but ru251 is a light tank!

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:12 AM

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Yeah but Dracula has a nuclear powered engine called Redcell which delivers 1200 horses,same power as my 65 ton E50M while Dracula is only 30 tons(the armour is paper,why not 20 tons???)

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 6:12 AM

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I'm not scared of hellsing to be honest.

I've got a hellsijg though, so I'm more used to knowing howto mess with them.

Like when their second shot misses. Or that my Blaze can bounce em point blank.

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 6:12 AM

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What? Helsing has less pen than Drac? it has 15mm more pen than drac lmao

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 6:14 AM

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Probably why i fear dracs is most my tier 7's and even tier 8 are turretless tds and dracs can push and circle me easily

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:14 AM

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@jovial kernel LMAO
Hellsing shells
AP:140-150mm
APCR:196mm
HE: IDK

Dracula
AP:155mm CLAW
APCR:243mm FANG
HE:60-70mm SWARM

As a result the vampire wins

narrow terrace Nov 6, 2018, 6:14 AM

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Dracs and cdc have still better mobility than ru251

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:15 AM

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Tbh Dracula should be a flying tank since it's a vampire LMAO XD

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 6:15 AM

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What? The Helsing has 170mm pen on standard.

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 6:16 AM

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I was surprised when i saw Drac didn't have vampire in mad games.
Imagine how unbalanced that would be.

narrow terrace Nov 6, 2018, 6:16 AM

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Both are OP and only statspadders play these tanks.

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:16 AM

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I don't remember helsings stats now,last time I saw the pen it was below 150mm @jovial kernel
That was in Halloween 2016

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 6:17 AM

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actually, it's always been 170mm pen

narrow terrace Nov 6, 2018, 6:17 AM

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I play since release wot blitz c:

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:17 AM

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No it wasn't always 170, I'm sure it was below that when it came out,my memory is mostly correct

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 6:17 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20181106-011725_World_of_Tanks.jpg

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 6:18 AM

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It's literally always been 170

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:18 AM

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Seems like my memory got mixed up with the Rudy tank penetration lol

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 6:19 AM

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Happens to us all.
And happens the more you age

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:19 AM

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I only just turned 18 lol @dim field

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 6:20 AM

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Happy Birthday

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:22 AM

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Thanks,just to tell u,it was today lol @dim field

void patrol Nov 6, 2018, 6:22 AM

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@dim field what tank is that? Helsing?

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 6:23 AM

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@void patrol yep Abraham Helsing,the legendary Vampire Hunter

bold dagger Nov 6, 2018, 6:59 AM

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what

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no

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 6:59 AM

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Yeah that was for helsing

bold dagger Nov 6, 2018, 7:03 AM

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Abraham Helsing GWqlabsFeelsLULMan

paper nebula Nov 6, 2018, 7:04 AM

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😂

bold dagger Nov 6, 2018, 7:06 AM

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lets keep on topic as well guys

paper nebula Nov 6, 2018, 7:08 AM

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Well buff VK 45.02 A

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 7:13 AM

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Agreed,it feels like a very slow medium tank with less armour than a tiger II,seems to be too weak

paper nebula Nov 6, 2018, 7:14 AM

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I love toaster btw such a good tank

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 7:14 AM

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45.02 A could use a gun depression buff to 8 degrees but other than that eh

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 7:15 AM

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The paper TDs ain't my type duh,even I suck at Stug III

The only true love I have is for Stalinium TDs
Su100,Su152,Su101

Currently grinding ISU-152 and SU-122-54

paper nebula Nov 6, 2018, 7:15 AM

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Eh?! Eh?! Read again what you said @jovial kernel 😡

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 7:16 AM

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pretty sure the 45.02 A only has 6 degrees atm

proud cape Nov 6, 2018, 7:17 AM

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Well it needs to have same armour thickness as Kingtiger and also turret armour

I find vk45A easy to kill

paper nebula Nov 6, 2018, 7:20 AM

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@jovial kernel i just wanted to say it needs a big buff because it is so underpowered

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 7:20 AM

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It's not a proper heavy tank, playing it like a proper heavy is just asking to be rekt in it

bold dagger Nov 6, 2018, 7:26 AM

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okay, here's a real suggestion: buff the AMX CDC's gun bloom while traversing turret and hull to .12, instead of .16

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its super hard to hit anything on the move in the CDC because the gun blooms a lot

shy wren Nov 6, 2018, 7:28 AM

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It out-DPMs all the other mediums and out-flanks them too. It has to have some sort of weakness. Like gun bloom and armor

bold dagger Nov 6, 2018, 7:28 AM

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its also as massive as a house and gets a poor camo rating

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 7:29 AM

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CDC isn't a good tank in general oof

limpid elm Nov 6, 2018, 7:29 AM

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What do you mean?!

bold dagger Nov 6, 2018, 7:29 AM

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and the DPM on the CDC is not better than all other meds. or even most of them

limpid elm Nov 6, 2018, 7:30 AM

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CDC is a great tank. Good DPS and mobility to flank around.

bold dagger Nov 6, 2018, 7:30 AM

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okay never mind, it has more DPM than most tier 8 meds

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but not all of them

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and the Ru gets more DPM by 400

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the CDC is basically a worse Ru

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less DPM, less mobility, less chance to get hit or HE penned

limpid elm Nov 6, 2018, 7:31 AM

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I call CDC a better version of Dracula.

bold dagger Nov 6, 2018, 7:32 AM

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Dracula has a higher top speed, a tighter bloom, better side armor, and a cooler sounding gun lol

limpid elm Nov 6, 2018, 7:32 AM

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🤔

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 7:32 AM

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also the RU has HESH/HEP

bold dagger Nov 6, 2018, 7:33 AM

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CDC has slightly better gun stats: better aim time and better dispersion by a bit more

limpid elm Nov 6, 2018, 7:33 AM

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Rip. Can't say that anymore. Seems like CDC should be worse than Dracula. I think you are right. @bold dagger

bold dagger Nov 6, 2018, 7:33 AM

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and larger HP pool, but it better because its a tier up

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CDC was way worse than the Dracula when it first debuted

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now, they're roughly equal. they each have their own benefits

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Dracula is also smaller and gets a better camo rating, and is harder to hit because of the size

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if i could trade my CDC for a Dracula, i would. for sure

limpid elm Nov 6, 2018, 7:35 AM

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Very nice. 👍

coral moon Nov 6, 2018, 8:15 AM

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On wot pc ....amx cdc has 240 alpha ......cdc needs that small buff of 20 alpha with same rate of fire

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 8:18 AM

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no, on PC tanks have more hp at high tiers. CDC needs gun handling

zealous vortex Nov 6, 2018, 8:18 AM

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Gravedigger needs nerf

burnt lava Nov 6, 2018, 8:33 AM

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WoT PC is almost a different game

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*sorry, correction. Basically its the sane game, with the same concept. But if you look at the details you will find 2 very different games

small flame Nov 6, 2018, 8:40 AM

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yall are mad dumb if you think the cdc needs a buff

tiny cairn Nov 6, 2018, 9:06 AM

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whoooo tf just said cdc needs buff

dim field Nov 6, 2018, 9:09 AM

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The buff they asked for was adjusting the bloom while on the move

void patrol Nov 6, 2018, 9:26 AM

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Jpz E-100 needs aim time buff

bold dagger Nov 6, 2018, 9:29 AM

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@small flame @tiny cairn i did

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gun bloom while traversing on the CDC is like driving a heavy tank

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 9:31 AM

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I did too

full grove Nov 6, 2018, 11:05 AM

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@bold dagger thank God it has awful gunhandling

bold dagger Nov 6, 2018, 11:05 AM

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and whys that

full grove Nov 6, 2018, 11:07 AM

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It already is difficult to hit if you play peek a boom with it cause the gun is mounted high on the turret + -10 gd

bold dagger Nov 6, 2018, 11:07 AM

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it's ineffective at the only thing it theoretically can do

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that's kinda lame imo

full grove Nov 6, 2018, 11:08 AM

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It's a unique tank

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The buff it got was what it needed and that should stay that way, once it's buffed its unlikely to be reverted

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And I don't see too many CDCs having trouble hitting me in my RU 251 whilst peek a booming, so it can't be that bad, not to forget it has really nice dpm

low bluff Nov 6, 2018, 11:10 AM

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Buff AT15A, Su12244, and pantherM/10

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Literally powercreeped tanks

full grove Nov 6, 2018, 11:11 AM

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I agree on Panther and AT, but why the SU?

nocturne nova Nov 6, 2018, 11:12 AM

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why su ?

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 11:12 AM

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OK so you want an overpowered tank? I can see you're a little salt lord

low bluff Nov 6, 2018, 11:12 AM

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I have su12244 out of the 3 but it can perform well but u see the op Wz at tier8? Its nowhere close to thay

full grove Nov 6, 2018, 11:13 AM

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And WZ is out of question to be more like a t9 tank

low bluff Nov 6, 2018, 11:13 AM

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I can do average 1.5k if my team is good and i can farm off their hp pools. It cant afford to tade with tier8 heavys and dame tier tanks

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 11:14 AM

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No tanks should be OP man, just because one is op doesn't mean they should make a few more op tanks that are locked behind paywalls

full grove Nov 6, 2018, 11:14 AM

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It's a t7 not a t8 omegalul

nocturne nova Nov 6, 2018, 11:14 AM

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I agree on overpowered WZ it should be t9 or nerfed dpm

low bluff Nov 6, 2018, 11:14 AM

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Im not sayin make the 12244 OP just buff its gun handling

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 11:14 AM

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It's fine dude

low bluff Nov 6, 2018, 11:15 AM

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It cant afford to trade with hevys and enemies head on and u gotta snipe but the aim time and dispersion is shet like is5 shet,its suppose to be russian but not that much troll even if im fully aimed it goes nowhere near the target

cedar fulcrum Nov 6, 2018, 11:16 AM

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Wz 120-1g FT is balanced.

low bluff Nov 6, 2018, 11:16 AM

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Id take the WZ instead of the tier9 dpm 12254 bcs of armor

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Just gun handling buff and it will never need a buff again and you'll see more of them out there and also AT15A and m/10 buff

full grove Nov 6, 2018, 11:19 AM

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It's a td it shouldnt trade at all, you have the lowest hp out of all classes, (except German tds), the SU can just club with its good Dpm, not to forget that heavies tend to have higher pen than lights and meds, you should reconsider how you play it maybe.

low bluff Nov 6, 2018, 11:19 AM

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Auburn wuts your ign?

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@full grove

full grove Nov 6, 2018, 11:24 AM

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Oh sure you're gonna check out my stats cause logic, no matter what the stats are there is thing that are just the way they are you know

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Being knowledgeable is something different from being a good player, and I am not a horrendous player at all if you think that now

minor grail Nov 6, 2018, 11:40 AM

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T-44-100 need more penetration at ap

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 11:51 AM

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Same gun as every other soviet med in tier 8

cedar fulcrum Nov 6, 2018, 12:16 PM

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T-44-100 needs gun handlings buff imho.Currently its just a t-44 with worse gun depression and mobility.

minor grail Nov 6, 2018, 12:32 PM

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But T-44-100 is better at side scrap but hasn’t got armour at tower and front plate

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T-44 is better than T-44-100 in my opinion

coral echo Nov 6, 2018, 12:38 PM

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Being knowledgeable can tie into your skill because if you understand your tank you would be able to exploit it's strong sides and do better @full grove

jade cargoBOT Nov 6, 2018, 1:30 PM

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dynoSuccess Hi my name is jeff#6395 was muted

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 1:32 PM

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Honestly the t-44-100 is a proper premium. Worse than the tech tree version with better credit making. It seems like it sucks because of how op all other tier 8 premiums are

tropic sorrel Nov 6, 2018, 1:33 PM

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@quick lichen we all know we must balance the fantasy tanks due to them being fantastic.

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 1:34 PM

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Why are you telling me?

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Not my job

tropic sorrel Nov 6, 2018, 1:36 PM

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Because why not?

spring pelican Nov 6, 2018, 1:37 PM

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ask Serb

jade cargoBOT Nov 6, 2018, 1:39 PM

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dynoSuccess Hi my name is jeff#6395 was banned

minor grail Nov 6, 2018, 1:43 PM

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It’s only one reason why I like T-44-100 have large earning but in side scrap is good

minor grail Nov 6, 2018, 2:03 PM

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But 175 mn penetration are you kidding me light ru 132 and lekpz m 90mn have more penetration why

orchid rock Nov 6, 2018, 2:23 PM

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Why o why is the wz 120 ft still untouched

minor grail Nov 6, 2018, 2:27 PM

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Idk

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 2:33 PM

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Because WG compiles data from a number of updates before making a change. That's why.

coral moon Nov 6, 2018, 2:49 PM

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This video is banned in our country for some copyright issues

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This is the msg i get when i open this link

ivory fractal Nov 6, 2018, 3:08 PM

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@queen hill not the right channel use #replays

queen hill Nov 6, 2018, 3:09 PM

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But its a video about the game balance not about gameplay

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 3:41 PM

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#replays

crimson cosmos Nov 6, 2018, 3:44 PM

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I’m sure this has been asked and answered a million times, but...

How, exactly, does the 4% buff for improved armor work?

I’ve seen posts on this in various places, but they never seem consistent or definitive. So, does anyone know the WG sanctioned answer?

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Damn. Not balance related. Sorry.

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 3:45 PM

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It’s honestly very confusing

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All armor thicknesses are supposed to be 4% thicker but I don’t think it has that effect

shy wren Nov 6, 2018, 3:49 PM

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If that effect takes place, the Tiger I will have 104mm frontal armor; doesn’t really change anything.

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 3:57 PM

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@shy wren not true. A extra 4mm of armor angled is a huge increase.

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 3:58 PM

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the armor buff is much better on tanks like the IS-3 than box tanks

shy wren Nov 6, 2018, 3:58 PM

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Frontally, not really.

high token Nov 6, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Hi everybody, can we continue to use skin mod ( hd skin no ammo position or anything)

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 4:00 PM

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Yes. @shy wren
An extra 4mm of armor when angled at 45 degrees turns into a extra 6mm of thickness.

📎 Screenshot_20181106-105813.png 📎 Screenshot_20181106-105832.png

shy wren Nov 6, 2018, 4:00 PM

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Superheavies however, will benefit greatly from the 4% buff to armor

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At a tier which the minimum pen for mediums is around the 140s, it’s not really worth it; as it can just go through, and you’re exposing your side armor

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 4:03 PM

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@shy wren. Not worth it? The numbers just went from pen to not pen. It's totally worth it.

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Feel free to message around with the numbers yourself. https://panzerworld.com/relative-armor-calculator?armor_thickness=100&angle_type=sine&angle_1=45&angle_2=90

Relative Armor Calculator

Calculate the relative armor thickness of a sloped armor plate. Specify either one or two slope dimensions.

shy wren Nov 6, 2018, 4:04 PM

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Also, take in account for the 5° of normalization

crimson cosmos Nov 6, 2018, 4:05 PM

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But has WG ever confirmed that it really is a 4% boost to thickness? Too many people out there claim it isn’t a straight increase in the armor mm.

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 4:05 PM

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@crimson cosmos. They haven't... And that is a whole different issue.

crimson cosmos Nov 6, 2018, 4:07 PM

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That’s what I thought. Why on earth wouldn’t they just say?

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 4:07 PM

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@crimson cosmos ha, where's the fun in that!

crimson cosmos Nov 6, 2018, 4:08 PM

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Twisted man. I knew there was a reason I liked you.

shy wren Nov 6, 2018, 4:09 PM

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At a 45° slope, regular AP will normalize by 5°, making the slope 40°. Using Tank Inspector, shooting a Tiger I with a Comet that has 148mm armor gives a guaranteed pen.
Some tier VIs will struggle against that armor at that angle, namely the Shermans, but most of the tanks can pen the Tiger like that

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 4:11 PM

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@crimson cosmos. Why introduce a clear well described change when you can introduce a poorly described change that creates confusion and generally clouds the water?

@shy wren not necessarily once you take into account the +15/-15% variance that the great RNGEsus gives us.

shy wren Nov 6, 2018, 4:14 PM

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Armor Inspector has already taken that to account, hence the percentage chance of it penetrating its shots. The Comet with 148 has a 100% chance of penning, the T37 at 50% chance of penning with 135mm of pen and the Shermans at 0% percent with their 76mm guns producing 128mm of pen

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Anyways, it’s been nice discussing with you, I’ve gotta sleep now.
Good night!

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Last thing to note; the tier Vs will really struggle with the armor of the Kuro. They don’t even have the pen to deal with an angled Kuro.

full grove Nov 6, 2018, 4:18 PM

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@coral echo I meant being knowledgable in in that manner, you can be knowledgable, but still bad at the game because you are not good at executing your knowledge under "stress"

coral echo Nov 6, 2018, 4:19 PM

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Lol there is no stress in playing wotb. It's not like every game is the finals for the twister cup

jovial edge Nov 6, 2018, 4:22 PM

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You are entitled to your own opinion, no matter how wrong it is

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 4:28 PM

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^^^

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 4:28 PM

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I'm married. I'm always wrong.

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 4:30 PM

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ooft

bold zephyr Nov 6, 2018, 5:23 PM

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Drac is under powered

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Lol jk

cedar fulcrum Nov 6, 2018, 5:24 PM

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@bold zephyr Drac needs 152mm gun and 3000hp engine.

bold zephyr Nov 6, 2018, 5:25 PM

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@cedar fulcrum Yeeesssss and 300mm front plate and turret

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 5:26 PM

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and 600mm penetration

bold zephyr Nov 6, 2018, 5:26 PM

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An 183mm auto loader

small musk Nov 6, 2018, 5:27 PM

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6 sec reload for the clip

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 5:27 PM

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6 shots 6 seconds right

bold zephyr Nov 6, 2018, 5:28 PM

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Let's not for get make it heavier so it can ram nicely

small musk Nov 6, 2018, 5:28 PM

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.7 reload per shell and 6 for the clip

bold zephyr Nov 6, 2018, 5:29 PM

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Lol am chilling in German class talking about tanks lol

small musk Nov 6, 2018, 5:33 PM

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prob pay attention then

atomic hound Nov 6, 2018, 5:53 PM

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Who needs .7 interclip for 6 shells when you could just ditch the autoloader and have a .7 reload time

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 5:56 PM

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laughs in Black Prince

atomic hound Nov 6, 2018, 5:59 PM

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On adrenaline it fires as fast as the t37 unloads...

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 5:59 PM

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yeah basically

scarlet cargo Nov 6, 2018, 6:17 PM

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I think t44-100 needs a better engine

zealous stone Nov 6, 2018, 6:18 PM

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and gun depresion

scarlet cargo Nov 6, 2018, 6:26 PM

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T44-100 at least needs the 560 hp engine that’s on the t44

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 7:02 PM

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Vk 45A is so terrible

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 7:03 PM

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It's not a proper heavy tank

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 7:05 PM

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@unique scaffold not at all

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Vk 45.02 A is wonderful

wind cape Nov 6, 2018, 7:05 PM

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I agree @quick lichen

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 7:05 PM

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T-44-100 is what premiums are supposed to be. Slightly inferior to a fully upgraded comparable tech tree tank that earn additional credits

versed lark Nov 6, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Looks at Löwe’s stats

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 7:06 PM

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@unique scaffold 🤦🏼‍♂️I said the same thing hours ago and people still don’t understand what premiums originally were

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Everyone knows certain premiums are way too good. That’s not the debate here

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 7:06 PM

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@quick lichen🤷

versed lark Nov 6, 2018, 7:07 PM

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I’m aware and would agree with diablo that’s how it should be

wind cape Nov 6, 2018, 7:07 PM

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@quick lichen premium tanks should be slightly weaker than tech tree tanks because they earn a lot of credits

unique scaffold Nov 6, 2018, 7:08 PM

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@wind cape. He literally just said that.

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 7:08 PM

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Why are you telling me exactly what I said earlier and literally just agreed with?

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🤦🏼‍♂️

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 7:08 PM

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Premiums should be slightly worse than the top tech tree tanks with something interesting added to make the playstyle slightly different

wind cape Nov 6, 2018, 7:08 PM

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I just joined the discussion

quick lichen Nov 6, 2018, 7:08 PM

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So instead of reading what’s been said you just jump in and make assumptions?

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Pray for rng and yolo basically?

wind cape Nov 6, 2018, 7:10 PM

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I have to pray to rngesus. And I agree that vk 45 a is wonderful

versed lark Nov 6, 2018, 7:11 PM

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Well it got quiet

fringe summit Nov 6, 2018, 7:23 PM

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@jovial kernel Exactly! Premium tanks are made to be unique, not to be OP.

sharp wind Nov 6, 2018, 7:24 PM

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They are made to reward those who spent the money on them

fringe summit Nov 6, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Yup

spare sun Nov 6, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Blitz in America we have day light savings time tournaments are an hour off please fix

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 7:30 PM

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I mean the Tankenstein is slow and has terrible DPM but it's special because it has a whopping big gun and a special play style. That means I like the tank and do pretty well in it.

devout shuttle Nov 6, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Does it have a peekaboo play style? @jovial kernel

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 7:35 PM

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It's a peek a boom tank with armor and the second highest alpha in the tier

mighty spear Nov 6, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Hey guys, do u think wg will nerf the black prince?

visual nimbus Nov 6, 2018, 9:00 PM

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Eh..

mighty spear Nov 6, 2018, 9:01 PM

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idk if they will tbh

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 9:02 PM

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imo SU-122-54 should lose 250 dpm and then Tortoise and Jagtiger should be buffed to have maybe 100 more dpm than it

runic beacon Nov 6, 2018, 9:09 PM

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@mighty spear Well they eventually nerfed the Tiger so it's somewhat likely but they probs won't touch the FV201

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 9:11 PM

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5.5 test server only shows a small traverse nerf for the BP

small flame Nov 6, 2018, 9:36 PM

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lets be real here tho. the vk45a is a super fun tank to play

wind gulch Nov 6, 2018, 9:48 PM

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Hello people

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 9:51 PM

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The Leo needs a gun nerf

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:01 PM

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i would say the leo needs improvments

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not getting nerfed , it has a good gun , and good gun handling , nothing else barely any gun deppresion no armour mobilitty is bad for a tank with no armour

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needs bit more mobility , or something that can make it decent

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:04 PM

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More mobility? It's. faster then a lot of the lights at tier 5

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:05 PM

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well , ok not mobility but something that will improve it

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:05 PM

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It does not need a buff

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:06 PM

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it is way behind the competition

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:06 PM

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It does over 300 damage a clip and has super good accuracy

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:07 PM

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yeah but that is the only good things about it , just has good dpm and a accurate gun thats all

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:07 PM

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What tank is it "way behind" it also has good mobility

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:08 PM

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well the e50 m outplays 90% of the time

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:08 PM

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The e50 is a tier 9 what Leo do u think I'm talking about

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:08 PM

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the e 50m the tier 10

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:09 PM

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I'm talking about the tier V Leo

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:09 PM

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oh i thought you were talking about leo 1 at tier 10 , sorry

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:10 PM

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No they are fine not OP at all

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:11 PM

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btw quicky question , it the m48 patton good ?

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:12 PM

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I don't have it yet I'm on the pershing

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:12 PM

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i have the sherman jumbo

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:13 PM

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Don t sell it

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:13 PM

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im also grinding the heavies , also do you know when update 5.5 is coming out ??

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:14 PM

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Lol

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 10:14 PM

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the Leopard is literally getting nerfed it's so good

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:15 PM

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How much do you know, also what heavy line?

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 10:15 PM

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I mean it's being overnerfed and will need a buff after it but still it's getting a nerf

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:15 PM

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the 1 to the t110e5

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:16 PM

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@warped mesa I hated the E5 till I got it to 95% crew but now I love it

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:17 PM

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right now i have the t29 and im still trying to figure out some good hold down positions so right now im not doing too well in the t29 .

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:17 PM

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Do you have another tier Xs?

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:17 PM

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my only tier 10 is the fv 215b 183

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 10:17 PM

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Just find any spot that makes it so the bottom third of your screen in sniper mode is blocked by the ground and you have a good spot generally for the T29

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Well that's not going to help you with the E5

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:19 PM

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oh ok thx , yeah i dont have alot of high tier tanks , i generally play tier 7-9 because i love some of those tanks and they re arent as many derps at those tiers

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 10:20 PM

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If you want a proper meme tank the ISU-152 has a ridiculous gun if you want to just completely wreck everything

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:20 PM

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but i cant say much about derps when i have the fv

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i had the isu 152 but not the top gun i sold it though

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:21 PM

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You should have seen the t29 before it got its buff it was way harder then it is now

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:23 PM

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i have saw some replays about the t29 before its buff , the thing i dont like about the t29 is the 13 sec reload can do about 250 -300dmg in 1 shot

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it can be annoying but the pen is wonderful

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:24 PM

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Well now most of the time it does over 300 damage also the turret speed was buffed

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:24 PM

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it just struggles against russian heavies and german frontal armour

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:25 PM

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And they all struggle vs it's turret

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:26 PM

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when its in a bad matchup against tier 8 , but its so satasfiying to bounce big tds guns and let your allies storm through while they reload

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:27 PM

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Ya but some times they hit your weak spot right above the mantlet then you will be mad

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:27 PM

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the only tank im not looking forward too in that line is the t32 , it looks good but if caught out in open you will be in the garage pretty quickly with all the guns getting bigger and bigger

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:27 PM

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Ya the only thing bad about it is it has almost no pen

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:28 PM

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i try and wiggle my turret to try minimize that happening

thats not good for me then i will have to load alot of gold rounds which i really dont like doing

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:29 PM

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Well you can pen most tanks lower glades. Cya

warped mesa Nov 6, 2018, 10:29 PM

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but i must go now , nice chatting with you
see you later , bye 😉

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and good luck

hidden solstice Nov 6, 2018, 10:30 PM

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You too cya

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So it's on the bottom and people can see it the leopard needs a gun nerf (I'm talking about the tier V leopard)

cedar fulcrum Nov 6, 2018, 11:56 PM

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@hidden solstice M6a2e1 EXP wants to join this discussion.

jovial kernel Nov 6, 2018, 11:58 PM

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Lowe's lower plate is a meme

hidden solstice Nov 7, 2018, 12:00 AM

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What about the m6a2e1 exp @cedar fulcrum?

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 12:00 AM

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@hidden solstice Uhm its lower plate is around 260mm efective.

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 12:01 AM

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Lowe would like to have a word

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 12:08 AM

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So not all tanks lower plate is weakspot. Mutants, t28htc, t95, Super pershing, Fochs, all british at tanks, is3 and is3d lower plates are not the weakspot.

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 12:10 AM

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IS-3 and IS-3D's lower plates are weak spots because they're less angled

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also Jackson's strongest armor is that transmission bit, and the VK 45.02 A's upper and lower plates are the same strength

hidden solstice Nov 7, 2018, 12:14 AM

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The jumbo's lower plate is not its weak spot either

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 12:14 AM

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@jovial kernel Is3 lower plate is only 5mm less efective then its upper plate and is3 d lower plate is same efective as upper plate. I wouldnt call them weakspots.

hidden solstice Nov 7, 2018, 12:22 AM

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Also @cedar fulcrum if you read what I said I said it can pen MOST tanks lower plate

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 12:24 AM

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@hidden solstice I wasnt talking about most pen can it. Im saying its lower plate is not weakspot compared to lower plate.

hidden solstice Nov 7, 2018, 12:28 AM

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@cedar fulcrum I know but I was telling @warped mesa that the t32 has bad pen but it can pen MOST tanks in the lower plate, how often do you see the m6 exp

scarlet cargo Nov 7, 2018, 12:29 AM

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T32 load 60% prem rounds click battle and your good

inner goblet Nov 7, 2018, 12:29 AM

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That thing really could do with a DPM buff

hidden solstice Nov 7, 2018, 12:29 AM

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I did fine in mine and I had vary little prem

scarlet cargo Nov 7, 2018, 12:29 AM

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Aim time buff l

regal grove Nov 7, 2018, 12:29 AM

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T32 turret is annoyingly impenetrable tho

inner goblet Nov 7, 2018, 12:30 AM

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@regal grove Yeah, it'ss the only good part about the entire tank.

scarlet cargo Nov 7, 2018, 12:30 AM

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The hull doesn’t get enough credit

regal grove Nov 7, 2018, 12:31 AM

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Hull is ok, good enough for American tank

hidden solstice Nov 7, 2018, 12:31 AM

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The hull is kinda bouncy unlike the t29

inner goblet Nov 7, 2018, 12:31 AM

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Ffs T32 only has a 0.5 second faster reload at most compared to the T29 and the only gets minors buffs to hull and turret

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Bring reload down by 1.5s at least vs T29

hidden solstice Nov 7, 2018, 12:32 AM

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But the t29 is better tier for tier

inner goblet Nov 7, 2018, 12:35 AM

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By far

scarlet cargo Nov 7, 2018, 12:36 AM

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Yes

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A 120 mm gun would be cool but op

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 12:41 AM

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@inner goblet T32 has better mobility then t29 and t34.

inner goblet Nov 7, 2018, 12:42 AM

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@cedar fulcrum Doesn't make up for the bad pen and medicore DPM. All it needs is a DPM buff imo.

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 12:44 AM

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@inner goblet T32 has better dpm then t34.

scarlet cargo Nov 7, 2018, 12:45 AM

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Aim time

inner goblet Nov 7, 2018, 12:50 AM

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@cedar fulcrum Obviously, but compared to the T29 it only reloads half a second faster, a tier higher in T8 which is filled with crazy good tanks

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 12:52 AM

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@inner goblet T32 is more mobile and its armor is better in every single way. It has enough advantages to be a tier 8 tank. A tank with higher tier doesnt always means better dpm.

inner goblet Nov 7, 2018, 12:54 AM

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@cedar fulcrum The armour profile is basically equal tier-for-tier (hull is noticably more trollish, I will admit), and it's power to wieght ratio is only 1.5 hp/t better (using WoTB Assistant Tankopedia)

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 1:01 AM

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T32 hull armor is much better then t29 hull armor tier-for-tier. Also T32 has much better gun handlings then t29. It aims faster, more accurate on the move and better base accuracy.

For the love of god only buff that t32 can use is the cuppola armor buff. Yes its small but its easy to penetrate when you hit it.

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Effective armor for the cuppola is around 200mm which it should be much more imho. It should be 230mm at least. I mean the god of hulldowning shouldnt be penned that easy when hulldowing.

inner goblet Nov 7, 2018, 1:11 AM

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40mm more effective thickness is not that much better at tier 8. Better gun handling is true I will admit. I agree the cupola could do with a buff.

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 1:23 AM

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@inner goblet T29 is generally slightly better then t32 tier-for-tier because they buffed all tier 7 heavies to oblivion to balance out the drac and helsing mess. T32 is balanced except the cuppola armor imho.

inner goblet Nov 7, 2018, 1:24 AM

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(Tiger 1, Tiger P and Black Prince intensify)

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 1:24 AM

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Of course only buff the heavies tho

inner goblet Nov 7, 2018, 1:25 AM

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I do badly in the BP WR%-wise because I get too overconfident in it lol

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 1:26 AM

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@jovial kernel Yeah its so stupid they didnt buffed the light tanks with them.

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 1:26 AM

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also, my KV-13 is basically outclassed in every single way by the Helsing

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 1:30 AM

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@jovial kernel Every td is outclassed by helsing lmao. 😂 😂 😂

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 1:31 AM

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Nah, SU-152 ain't

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 1:33 AM

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@jovial kernel helsing is actually better then su-152. Helsing has better armor better mobility and much better gun handlings. And oh it has a damn turret. What su152 have? Only a 152mm gun.

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 1:39 AM

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yes but at least the SU-152 has something it does better. The SU-152 can also just out dpm the Helsing if it wants to use a 122mm.

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 1:39 AM

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Very true^

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 1:42 AM

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@jovial kernel Having better dpm does not make the tank better immidiately. Helsing has way more advantages to cover up its worse dpm.

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 1:43 AM

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He didn’t say it made it overall better he said it is something it does better than the helsing

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 1:43 AM

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@versed lark Being better at something doesnt make overally better.

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 1:44 AM

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I never said it was overall better, are you high?

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 1:44 AM

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Never said that I’m stating that it is better in one statistic

inner goblet Nov 7, 2018, 1:44 AM

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Dear lord please nerf that digusting thing. Who the hell thought having a tank that has amazing dpm, good mobility, and heavium armour was a good idea?

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 1:45 AM

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You said su-152 is not outclassed by helsing which means su-152 is equally as good as helsing.

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 1:45 AM

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I'm saying the advantages it has can be leveraged. I never said they were equally good.

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 1:46 AM

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Outclassed in one key statistic my dude

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Ahhh that going to be misinterpreted

limpid elm Nov 7, 2018, 1:48 AM

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Is this SU-152 v Helsing?

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 1:48 AM

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@cedar fulcrum It's like the ISU-152 vs the WZ-120-1 FT. The 120-1 is the better tank, but the advantages the ISU has can be leveraged to win.

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 1:48 AM

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Yes

limpid elm Nov 7, 2018, 1:49 AM

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Helsing is better IMO. It has fully rotatable turret.

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 1:49 AM

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well no shit

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 1:49 AM

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Sounds like someone didn’t read what we were saying

limpid elm Nov 7, 2018, 1:49 AM

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Well duh. I just got here.

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 1:51 AM

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I said that the SU-152 wasn't completely outclassed by the Helsing because it either has crazy alpha or ludicrous amounts of DPM and German Bias took that as me saying "the SU-152 is better than the Helsing" which is outright false.

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 1:51 AM

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^

limpid elm Nov 7, 2018, 1:51 AM

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Ok ok. Look.

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 1:52 AM

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I said the SU-152 has some things that it does better. He took that as "it does everything better lolololol"

limpid elm Nov 7, 2018, 1:52 AM

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Helsing and SU 152 has their advantages and disadvantages. For example, SU 152 running the 152 mm has more DPS tha the helsing. If you are able to exploit these advantages, then you'll find that said tank is better.

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 1:53 AM

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Exactly. I said the SU-152 has some advantages that the driver can leverage to win against a Helsing, and he read that as "SU-152 is better than Helsing lmao"

limpid elm Nov 7, 2018, 1:53 AM

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If you can't find these advantages due to your gameplay style, then you'll think said tank is weak.
This is why people will debate which tank is better.

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 1:55 AM

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Maus is better than MS-1. fight me

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 1:55 AM

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lol

limpid elm Nov 7, 2018, 1:55 AM

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Plus, whether a tank is better comes down to the versitility of the tank. If you have a turret, then the tank is more versitile.

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 1:55 AM

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Rear mounted vs front mounted and central also impact gameplay significantly

proven helm Nov 7, 2018, 1:56 AM

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Full traverse or partial traverse turret also makes a difference

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 1:56 AM

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You're just repeating what I said at this point. I said the Helsing was better but it's possible for an SU-152 to win if it uses it's advantages.

limpid elm Nov 7, 2018, 1:56 AM

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@versed lark Exactly! I'm glad you are beginning to realise this.

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 1:57 AM

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Anyone care to debate against me? My claim is the Maus is better than the MS-1

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 1:57 AM

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The MS-1 is Russian. I win.

thin condor Nov 7, 2018, 1:57 AM

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Lmao a ms-1 could beat a maus

limpid elm Nov 7, 2018, 1:58 AM

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Maus is tier 10 but MS-1 is tier 1. Hence MS is worse. 🙃

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 1:58 AM

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Oof think I just lost

limpid elm Nov 7, 2018, 1:58 AM

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Lol. And I thought I will be the loser. Says so in the name. 🤣

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 1:58 AM

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Russian bias transcends tiers. Just look, the KV-2 at tier 6 has a better gun than the T49 at tier 8.

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 1:59 AM

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Yep

limpid elm Nov 7, 2018, 1:59 AM

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Oof

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 2:00 AM

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UE 57 vs KV-2

limpid elm Nov 7, 2018, 2:01 AM

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UE-57 because it's more fun.

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 2:01 AM

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UE 57 because it literally won't be hit

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 2:02 AM

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KV-2 Dispersion it cant hit if you far enough away

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Assuming Hasty shot doesn’t happen

proven helm Nov 7, 2018, 2:02 AM

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I wonder if u hit close enough to the ue57 if the he splash could kill it without an impact.

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 2:03 AM

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Or is it lucky shot...... I don’t know my skills

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Wonder how a P. 1000 Ratte or a P. 1500 Monster would be balanced

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@jovial kernel any ideas?

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 2:07 AM

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It can be balanced by having the map actually be the inside of a Ratte or Monster with ramps for getting around the different levels.

versed lark Nov 7, 2018, 2:08 AM

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Very in the box idea XD looking for a more out of the box approach though

vocal verge Nov 7, 2018, 2:28 AM

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@proven helm the smash can kill it i once got a double kill with the KV-2 splash

clever portal Nov 7, 2018, 2:28 AM

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5.5 won’t help anything if they don’t find away to fix there match making system

burnt lava Nov 7, 2018, 4:08 AM

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I fully agree

shy wren Nov 7, 2018, 4:13 AM

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Just plz don’t remove the 5cm from the Leo

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 4:23 AM

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rip they are lol

outer nimbus Nov 7, 2018, 5:05 AM

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@acoustic schooner

inner goblet Nov 7, 2018, 5:33 AM

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@shy wren Y tho, the 5 cm is garbo

white haven Nov 7, 2018, 5:56 AM

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no

jovial kernel Nov 7, 2018, 6:00 AM

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meadsy likes it tho I mean he doesn't play tier 5 often but he does like the 5 cm

white haven Nov 7, 2018, 6:01 AM

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:(

shy wren Nov 7, 2018, 7:19 AM

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I like that gun at tier V
I even suggested that gun to Meadsy in the first place in a YT comment.

gilded pulsar Nov 7, 2018, 9:54 AM

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Nerf the most overpowerd tank in the game the helsing ho, it has great dpm, great alpha (400) after both bullets, great armor great speed theres pretty much no flaws.

worthy jasper Nov 7, 2018, 10:02 AM

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The IS-5 is kinda underwhelming, that fat triangle of death on the top of the hull basically makes the armour useless

void patrol Nov 7, 2018, 10:03 AM

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@gilded pulsar You can't nerf Premiums. It is an unspoken rule. WG is a business model, not some charity that can do whatever they want with their content.

worthy jasper Nov 7, 2018, 10:03 AM

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Plus, the roof of the turret is only 35mm

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And the gun has accuracy to be ashamed of

void patrol Nov 7, 2018, 10:10 AM

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The gun's Russian. What did you expect? British gun handling?

worthy jasper Nov 7, 2018, 10:11 AM

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I expected a gun that could hit the target from ~20m+; guess I expected too much from Russian engineering.

void patrol Nov 7, 2018, 10:13 AM

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Thats derp for you. It misses when it should hit and hits when it should miss

worthy jasper Nov 7, 2018, 10:18 AM

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No wonder why the Russians got slaughtered by the Germans

void patrol Nov 7, 2018, 10:18 AM

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Nah, Actually, that is only true at the start. The Russians did turn the war around.

worthy jasper Nov 7, 2018, 10:21 AM

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Guess they had better RNG late in the war

shy wren Nov 7, 2018, 10:23 AM

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The German Bois just over engineered their tanks

worthy jasper Nov 7, 2018, 10:29 AM

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The IS-5 just seems like a Chinese knockoff of the IS-8, except that the Chinese one is the WZ tri. 1

modern fern Nov 7, 2018, 11:12 AM

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dim field Nov 7, 2018, 11:16 AM

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Flaws with hellsing, turret turning speed sucks, you can avoid that by turning your hull with the turret but that gives up your armor. The double barrel also can miss if you try shooting a target that's moving too fast. Also pretty sure it's got bad camo, not sure though.

~~in response to person saying the helsing has no flaws~~

unique scaffold Nov 7, 2018, 12:34 PM

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@modern fern tf is that

ember thunder Nov 7, 2018, 12:36 PM

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Those are WOT halloween tanks
@unique scaffold
Am i right @modern fern?

spring pelican Nov 7, 2018, 1:04 PM

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From last year

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They used 2 turrets which was pretty cool

ember thunder Nov 7, 2018, 1:08 PM

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Ik

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 1:13 PM

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@dim field Helsing sealclubber just found.

dim field Nov 7, 2018, 1:14 PM

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Huh?

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 1:15 PM

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@dim field What huh? Slow turret traverse is common for all tds with turrets so its not a disadvantage at all.

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Helsing has only one disadvatage and its gun depression. Other than it has no disadvantage.

ember thunder Nov 7, 2018, 1:16 PM

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And double barrel xD
I have seen many players miss me when I am backing up or going fast

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If the team is gud..not best but gud ...then it is extremely op

dim field Nov 7, 2018, 1:17 PM

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I'm saying huh to the "Helsing sealclubber just found"
I'd definitely say a slow turret traverse is a possible disadvantage. Even if it's common among Turreted TDs, it's still a disadvantage.

atomic hound Nov 7, 2018, 1:17 PM

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Not when there are 2 chances to hit a target or pen a target rather than the one that every other tank gets

proven helm Nov 7, 2018, 1:18 PM

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I mean what other tier 7 turretted tds are there?

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 1:19 PM

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@ember thunder Thats because second shot comes 0.25 later.This is not tank fault if driver didnt lead his shot.

@dim field It has much more advantages to cover up its weakness. There is literally no point to defend helsing here.

@proven helm T25/2

ember thunder Nov 7, 2018, 1:19 PM

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Is 4 more OP XDDDDD
WHAT WILL U SAY NOW

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 1:20 PM

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@ember thunder This has nothing to do with our topic.

ember thunder Nov 7, 2018, 1:21 PM

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📎 unknown.gif

dim field Nov 7, 2018, 1:23 PM

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They said the helsing has no flaws.
So i pointed out some of it's flaws.

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If the helsing was truely flawless, it would have the best armor all around and nothing could pen it. It'd do more damage than any other tank while also being faster than any tank while having zero cost to use. Does it have strengths? Yes. However it's not some mass miracle tank that cannot be killed. It's got it's weaknesses so therefore it's not perfect.

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Also I'm still confused by your "Helsing sealclubber just found" remark

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 1:42 PM

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Helsing sealclubbers usually defend their tank.

Btw being flawless doesnt mean it has to be best in every kind of situtation. It has enough advantages to be flawless.

atomic hound Nov 7, 2018, 1:44 PM

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@cedar fulcrum you clearly need to update your definition of flawless...

dim field Nov 7, 2018, 1:45 PM

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So I'm a helsing seal clubber (didn't know a tier 7/8 was seal clubbing) because I said the helsing isn't flawless?

quick lichen Nov 7, 2018, 1:49 PM

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@cedar fulcrum look up the definition of flawless🤦🏼‍♂️

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@dim field no. You’re not

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Flawless in a tank would mean perfect for every situation

cedar fulcrum Nov 7, 2018, 1:51 PM

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@dim field Using a known overpowered to beat your enemies is counts as seal clubbing.If you use helsing then you are one of the worst person in this community.

quick lichen Nov 7, 2018, 1:51 PM

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Nope

unique scaffold Nov 7, 2018, 1:51 PM

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@cedar fulcrum that is such nonsense.

quick lichen Nov 7, 2018, 1:52 PM

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Tier 7 first and foremost is not a seal clubbing tier

wary holly Nov 7, 2018, 1:52 PM

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Why does using a tank automatically makes you become the worst people

quick lichen Nov 7, 2018, 1:52 PM

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Second there’s a ton of op tier 7s so it’s not really all that op

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Third

jade cargoBOT Nov 7, 2018, 1:52 PM

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dynoSuccess German bias#8740 was muted

quick lichen Nov 7, 2018, 1:52 PM

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@wary holly it doesn’t.

wary holly Nov 7, 2018, 1:53 PM

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yea

quick lichen Nov 7, 2018, 1:53 PM

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This user has a lot of “interesting” ideas about blitz

dim field Nov 7, 2018, 1:55 PM

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The funny thing is while I do play helsing from time to time (mainly for credits) the tanks with the most battles are my tier 8/9

solemn aurora Nov 7, 2018, 1:55 PM

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Raik, why are you wasting brain cells mate

quick lichen Nov 7, 2018, 1:56 PM

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Dude I don’t know

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Probably because I’ve banned that kid 7 times and he keeps making new email accounts

wicked needle Nov 7, 2018, 1:57 PM

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Who

solemn aurora Nov 7, 2018, 1:57 PM

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Go drink some water, calm down and chill. If you’re needed I’ll give you a tag, there’s no point in arguing with people like these…never argue with a noob, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience

dim field Nov 7, 2018, 1:57 PM

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Wait really? 7 times.

wary holly Nov 7, 2018, 1:58 PM

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true dedication is making 7 email accounts and get this discord for all of them

mint vapor Nov 7, 2018, 1:58 PM

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(0_0)/

wind sandal Nov 7, 2018, 2:00 PM

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Just waiting for the 8th

limpid elm Nov 7, 2018, 2:01 PM

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I'm so not tho

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He has caused enough trouble as it is.

wind sandal Nov 7, 2018, 2:02 PM

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Yeah but uk that kids probly not gonna stop 4 a while

shy wren Nov 7, 2018, 2:06 PM

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Helsing OP? It’s quite good, but defeatable with the right gun. It’s armor is easily overmatched by 122mm and is susceptible to HE due to 40mm of side armor.
Although it has quite good mobility, it doesn’t really traverse well. 47°s of combined hull and turret traverse is not that good for a tank that can be circled

minor grail Nov 7, 2018, 2:10 PM

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what do you think about the insertion of the projectile helmet 152 m in the back hellsing

shy wren Nov 7, 2018, 2:10 PM

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Mmm, juicy
100mm and 122mm guns can do that too

minor grail Nov 7, 2018, 2:11 PM

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Yep but better gun 152 mn or vindicator gun

shy wren Nov 7, 2018, 2:12 PM

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One-shot wonders. It’s engine deck at the rear is only 25mm too

wind sandal Nov 7, 2018, 2:13 PM

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Kv2 does kv2 lol. And the big TDs at that tier bacicly 1 wrong move and no hps left. And that changes play style. Also if u try to brawl an is or even a t29 and tanks like that frontally which I've seen numbers of times u can be penetrated on your frontal top plate 4 some and the turret ring. Also its hull Is kinda like a minny grave digger and it's easy to slot 1 on that lower plate if u can get in a good distance. U can bully little tanks all day but when u get flanked it's all over

fossil marten Nov 7, 2018, 2:13 PM

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New players being able to buy any premium they want irrespective of battle count and experience, good thing or bad thing? Does it actually help WG with gaining customers or is it likely to result in new players being put off the game? Should there be a restriction on what level of premium tank can be purchased depending on battle count and experience? I think there should. It completely messes the balance of teams when you end up with a totally inexperienced player trying to play higher tiers, as in tier 8/9 particularly. Perfect example....

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wary holly Nov 7, 2018, 2:14 PM

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197 battles
IS-6

lol

minor grail Nov 7, 2018, 2:15 PM

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embraced hellsing can do a lot but you also need to know the place for him or how to angulate and how bad you go and in the opposite team is troll np Rhm or isu-152 to one shoot

fossil marten Nov 7, 2018, 2:15 PM

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Admitted has no map knowledge so just followed the player next to him!

wary holly Nov 7, 2018, 2:15 PM

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@fossil marten lmfao

shy wren Nov 7, 2018, 2:16 PM

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He’s not too bad; at least he knows how to shoot

minor grail Nov 7, 2018, 2:16 PM

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Sory for my english

wary holly Nov 7, 2018, 2:17 PM

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imagine having löwe but dont know how to use provisions and consumeables

fossil marten Nov 7, 2018, 2:17 PM

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Imagine having Lowe or IS6 and having no idea how your armour works!

wind sandal Nov 7, 2018, 2:17 PM

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Or even how to angle

minor grail Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM

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Omg why

fossil marten Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM

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Exactly @wind sandal

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But it’s not his fault. He’s been allowed to do this. Why is there a delay on sending on this channel?

shy wren Nov 7, 2018, 2:20 PM

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It’s set like that, even on all channels
You still can edit comments tho
Like what I’m doing

unique scaffold Nov 7, 2018, 2:20 PM

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The slow mode

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Because people spam... And hopefully having to think about a topic before posting will cut down on the stupidity... It hasn't worked so far but I'm an optimist.

dim field Nov 7, 2018, 2:22 PM

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Question on perspective, what if it has worked and this is nothing compared to what may have been?

wind sandal Nov 7, 2018, 2:22 PM

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Like ok. U start the game u buy the t14 in my opinion like a little American is6 kts life Is around angling. And using the little bit of gun depression. Cus I can take nearly ever tank and pen it with ap but a few angles and boom. 200 to 300 armour and nothing at that tier can pen. And with the is6 u get more armour but a flat side is weak tier 8 lights and mids still have trouble but that's the point. But u try to fight an is3 or thr t34 not knowing angles and to get the most armour and hiding the weak top u will lose that battle every time

unique scaffold Nov 7, 2018, 2:22 PM

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Touche @dim field

shy wren Nov 7, 2018, 2:26 PM

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Another alt. Really?

unique scaffold Nov 7, 2018, 2:27 PM

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@midnight gulch. Can't you take a hint?

quick lichen Nov 7, 2018, 2:29 PM

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@unique scaffold didn’t you ask him not to ping you?

shy wren Nov 7, 2018, 2:29 PM

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Um, you’re comparing tanks from different tiers. How’s that an argument?

limpid elm Nov 7, 2018, 2:30 PM

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Lol

tired sorrel Nov 7, 2018, 2:33 PM

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Why Object 263 Have the most strong armor in game? 250 mm

shy wren Nov 7, 2018, 2:34 PM

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I’ve faced quite a few Helsings when I played Blitz on the Asia Server. Yes, they can be OP when they are played correctly. Yes, they are powerful. But the tank is not that OP when you consider that the tank is riddled with weakspots

quick lichen Nov 7, 2018, 2:36 PM

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@tired sorrel it’s not in reality