Lol yeah
#tank-balance-discussion
lapis depot
sleek grove
Lol... didn't thought it was that powerful
dapper osprey
They should add spaced armor to the sides of the fv4202 so you don’t get HE spammed
spring pelican
4202 is so rare most dont know where to shoot to kill it faster
brittle river
Tiger p is just useless. No traverse. No pen. Just slow moving junk.
unique scaffold
FV4202 should have its historical turret armor.
dapper osprey
It’s not bad
brittle river
Will there be some balance for tiger p?
unique scaffold
Wait? Are people arguing for a Tiger P buff?!?!? The thing was just over buffed like crazy.
normal sky
The reason why tier 8 shouldnt be in crates, this guy has 5 battles and 0% WR, he should not have access to a tier 8 tank, WG!
unique scaffold
@normal sky he could have bought it. At least he is vested in to the game. Perhaps that will motivate him to improve.
normal sky
@unique scaffold and make lose everyone else, yes. He was AFK btw...
fossil crag
Looks like a reroll on NA
lilac kettle
Lie
burnt venture
@normal sky yo he also could have gotten it from a free huge crate...
normal sky
Thats why I mean @burnt venture , new players should not have access to tier 7-8-9-10 tanks, not by finding it in crates, not by buying it, not anyway.
brittle river
@unique scaffold just play tiger p. You'll understand it's junk. Low DMG. Slow moving junk.
normal sky
@brittle river idk bro, I quite like it... it has good DPM, good frontal armor and nice penetration for its tier...
brittle river
It's a cake for tier 8 actually
unique scaffold
Yeah no. I have no interest in grinding that line. Tier 7 German heavies got a huge buff recently. They don't need another.
brittle river
I'm actually having full team wipe out in tiger p with no one killed on other side. Don't know what's wrong.
It's easy to say no without trying. I'm going to se this junk off.
unique scaffold
I can look at performance stats and I've played against plenty of them. The Tiger P does not need a buff.
atomic hound
@brittle river I played it at 72% post nerf for hundreds of games solo. It is easily the second best tier 7 heavy (tech tree) since the black prince got buffed and is now better
brittle river
I also accept that I'm not so good. Just my views. Thanks for your comments guys.
atomic hound
@brittle river if you wanna try slow moving junk at tier 7, try the at7. You'll be wishing you were back in a tiger P in a heartbeat.
unique scaffold
It is very competitive when compared to other tier VII heavies.
In some ways it is better then the tanks after it.
brittle river
At7 Haha
atomic hound
Don't laugh... I had to play that thing...
unique scaffold
@gleaming light I'm thinking they just don't understand how it should be played.
modest prairie
@unique scaffold o7 forum legend
unique scaffold
@modest prairie aloha! "Forum legend" 🤣. I'll put that on my resume!
modest prairie
😁 👍
I have never felt the need to contribute to any of the topics although may very well do soon... @gleaming light
unique scaffold
Ah, a lurker.
I tried to escape and do that for awhile but inevitably someone posted something dumb and couldn't resist responding.
modest prairie
@unique scaffold I did notice that and thought nope not gonna happen mate😂
unique scaffold
No will power ☹️
quasi flame
is the tiger p worth grinding for? there seems to be a pretty mixed opinion on it....
weak sides, stronk front, kinda slow, good gun?
i think its the side armour that gets me, probably can't sidescrape
brittle river
Tier 8 light and medium can easily beat it for dpm and damage
Not sure why defining it heavy if upper tier light can pen and cause more DMG
atomic hound
@quasi flame DPM is fine, pen is good, accuracy is good, aim time is ok, sidescrapes very well, frontal armour is dominant against tier 6s and 7s, very troll Vs tier 8 heavies. Turret is strong apart from the hatch, which you can hide through sidescraping. The mobility is obviously not great, but it is nowhere near as bad as other seem to be making out.
quasi flame
ok thanks, would you say this is better that the tiger 1 tho?
atomic hound
Easily. Tiger 1 won't bounce anything off the hull reliably
unique scaffold
It has solid dpm among tier 7 heavies. Good frontal armor if you hide the LFP. Tiger P is good if driven well.
modest prairie
Obj 140 or t62a?
quasi flame
thanks guys
atomic hound
T62A, for the best gun in the game hands down.
unique scaffold
What no! 140 for flexibility and not depending on a finicky APCR round.
Better mobility and a extra degree of gun depression on the 140.
modest prairie
62 cause its the one I got😂
atomic hound
Haha, you're kidding right? The T62A has a better turret, and the gun is an absolute laser beam. Forget the leo 1, I run it with 1800m/s shell velocity, unnoticeable aim time, and 0.272 accuracy. It won't miss. You can snipe hatches from 300m no problem.
unique scaffold
But if I have to play a tier X med (I don't enjoy the tier X meta right now) I'm going to play my FV4202.
@atomic hound. I think it comes down to how you play. I play a very aggressive scout, for that reason I prefer the 140 over the 62.
bronze mica
That medal
Supremacy Medal
Is out of balance
Just thx a little bit
For first class need 10M
Now check that statistics
What is average points earn from the game
How many years will be needed
What is progress of the player at the moment
It’s any idea that this medal classes out of balance
atomic hound
@unique scaffold the obj140 certainly has the better hull and mobility, but the weak turret is a serious issue Vs any tier ten, you can't go hull down and expect to bounce shots. The difference in guns between the two is also ridiculously large after the 62A buffs, even the pen is better on the 62a now too.
unique scaffold
I try to play in such a way that I'm not depending on armor and the 140 turret is still pretty workable.
atomic hound
@unique scaffold when you already have the lowest alpha in the tier, and with TDs being so common, to not have a good chance of bouncing something with the best part of your armour isn't great. Other mediums that don't have the armour tend to have fun depression, but the obj doesn't. It is also not mobile enough to flank in the blink of an eye like the pta at tier 9 (which also has 6° gun depression). It is obviously still easy to do well in, but the 62A just feels so filthy with that combination of best medium tank dpm combined with the best gun handling in the game.
@unique scaffold out of interest, do you have a 62A?
rose siren
errant wedge
Hey
unique scaffold
@atomic hound I do and I absolutely suck in it. Like I said I prefer the mobility of the 140 but if I'm going to play tier X I'm most likely going to be running the 4202.
coral echo
Stb is very fun and has a troll turret
sharp granite
Patton is better
mighty cradle
Hey guys there is a glitch that makes your aim go up on touch devices when aiming at an object.
jovial kernel
M48>FV4202 but the FV has HESH going for it so that's pretty nifty I'd say
coral echo
@sharp granite bet
lunar niche
Comparing E5 to IS 4? what?
wild lion
@mighty cradle We had that for years. Its not a glitch. Wg did that to mess with moblie users. 👌 🤣 🖖
mighty cradle
Well that sucks, the good thing is that I play on pc and that happens sometimes, which is bad in some maps
small frigate
I still love T-62A. It's great, except its hull. But that is what we called balance so I can't complain anymore
meager condor
Shouldnt we get the Pershing a slight buff in firepower? Not only is it lacking firepower against a Super Pershing, on par with the 13 90, and somewhat lacking in penetration, at least the Pershing can get a slight kick in firepower
jovial kernel
WG gives tanks that have more mobility less firepower as they don't have the ability to flank as effectively, hence the T26E4 getting more penetration.
meager condor
I could see that, however the Pershing only has its somewhat reliable mantlet to defend itself with sluggish acceleration for an armor profile that seems somewhat mediocre, meaning that the Pershing is a sitting duck unless it can have at least some type of slight increase in firepower to compensate it
severe valve
nerf X heavies view range by 5-10m across the board
that's my first balance recommendation
jovial kernel
also nerf 183 camo that'd be nice
viral terrace
Yeah that kinda op
hidden merlin
So anyone mind filling me in on the tier 10 medium tank meta nowadays?
I own the FV4202 (only tier 10 RIP) and I heard it's preferable right now
hybrid field
why isn't there a pregression set in the game to make it where players have to achieve goals to move up to the next tier... other then just researching, players need to learn how to play the game .. a person with 150 games played should not be in tier 10.. but they are, and they have no undertanding of how to play, they win tanks in crates or they buy a tier 10 tank..this should not be possible.. it creates players that have no idea what to do that play in high tears causing teams that should win to lose, good players who have over 5000 games playing with a few players on their team with less then 150 battles is wrong and don't say it doesn't happen cause it's happened to me 5 times today
stoic pebble
Apparently the Patton is in a good place along with the E 50M. Both have usable armor and gun depression. I'm not too sure about the 4202 but I'm sure its great at clubbing tier 9.
jovial kernel
FV4202 is overshadowed by the E 50 M and the M48 but it gets hesh so that's pretty nifty I'd say
scarlet cargo
Needs a turret
flat bane
E5 is a jack of all trades people said 🤔
visual nimbus
It is but I kinda think I could be better
latent sail
Patton needs an acceleration buff
plush trellis
Chi-to is the tank that really needs a buff lol
junior valley
Helsing is underpowered. wg pls buff, XD
wild lion
Oi what
night thunder
@vocal dew chinese mt is meant to be used in a peek a boom style while soviets are for hulldowns and brawling
wild lion
This warthunder chat? Took the wrong turn around the world.
jovial kernel
why does the GC cost as much XP as a tier 7 tank and why does the Conqueror cost as much as a tier 8 tank XP wise
scarlet cargo
Hmm
jovial kernel
Conq and Caer literally cost the same XP wth
scarlet cargo
Cause caer is not noob friendly my guess with wargmaing logic
scarlet cargo
Yeah stock conq is es
unique scaffold
So just wondering, am I able to post multiple messages that's basically an unrevised essay of a few reasons why I think this next update won't do as much as the devs hope for?
Nvm, 5.5 discussion Im sure I should ask that in
jovial kernel
the Churchill 1 is literally my worst WR tank that I own
the only 2 pros are the gun has good pen and amazing snap shot ability, otherwise that 177mm plate is useless against anyone that presses the zoom button, it's as slow as a tortoise, and has the worst turret of any tank I've ever played.
hidden merlin
All the Churchill's are as described, but the DPM and the gun is where it's at. Use that HP pool and DPM to push corners similarly to the Tiger I or Tiger (P). Or thats how I would do it
mellow cape
Churchill's are also good at sidescrapping
jovial kernel
lol no they're extremely hard to sidescrape well because of the hull shape
hidden merlin
Eh not really, though tracks get raped often
mellow cape
But the tracks are THICC and eat any heat shells
dusk ice
Indeed
solid oracle
215b needs buff, bad armour vulnerable turrent, slow top speed, bad alpha. Needs time on turrent.. rear turrent with no gun dep or armour?
Also bad viewrange and spottijg
and it's huge
lone warren
I dont agree its one of my most played and i do think it has armour on the turret/front you just gotta know how to use it. I also do not think 36 is a slow top speed.. plus it has really good traverse of hull and turret so it feels smoother. I can agree on the gun depression though it is quite annoying
formal delta
215b was good tank and he fast.Also i hate the armor because i always can't penetrate and the penetration 215b was too good for people
lone warren
I can sidescrape quite effectively in the tank and it is a good counter to mediums, they bounce your front more often than not and you can nearly match their reload
formal delta
And i always hate FV215B 183 because if he using HESH and its hit my e100 turret it's -1400 and its too big dmg for me and WG should reset the dmg FV215B 183 and was big dmg to me thx
lone warren
well you should be more careful, the deathstar can only pen the side and rear of your turret with hesh if it is flat and not angled.
autumn night
and ap can pen the turret front for 930 dmg that is also "fair"
smoky yoke
well it is a tank that needs 19 seconds or 21 seconds to reload so yea
lone warren
That doesnt affect it much plus mine reloads faster than 19. The AP pen is stupidly good and shouldnt be
modern fern
I dont see you guys complaining about the kv2...
And if FV is nerfed, you guys will just move on to the next highest alpha tank
autumn night
Kv2 doesnt have the accuracy, penetration and camo value of Fv183 (for its tier)
modern fern
Alpha for it tier tho
autumn night
goodluck aiming your shots for a century while being spotted by enemy and if it pens you can do good damage, while in 183 you can stay unspotted aim and pen everything with ap and most of things with hesh
pallid pier
Leopard is op
lone warren
183s accuracy isnt that bad, its mobile for a td, has amazing pen not to mention its camo value...
Kv2 yes has the derp, but its slow and sluggish, has virtually no armour has god awful accuracy no gd and camo isnt amazing so
Not to mention the kv2 takes around 2 secs+ to reload depending on skills (from@183)
plush socket
183 need to have unavantages, remember it can shoot a 1399 per 25 secs
fiery cairn
Yo
sleek grove
183 can be he Penn by his side
short bough
grave needs buff, its angling is as bad as a mid tier amx light
lone warren
183 does have some disadvantages, unreliable armour, no gun depression, people can take advantage of the reload i guess. However it should also have its camo lowered and i personally think its hull traverse should be lowered,
Maybe the ap pen lowered a bit too. The gun wouldnt be such an issue if it didnt have such high pen and the tank wasnt mobile enough to prevent a medium etc from circling it
brave bay
Nerf the grave digger . Because its incredebly over powered in his tier it has high pen ,fast rate of fire and it can be really anoying im the matches
drowsy latch
Its pen is good but against tier8 it sucks
modest prairie
@drowsy latch most tier 7s suck against tier 8 that's the point
sleek grove
Bc it suppose to work that way
unique scaffold
Okay then BC have in one magazine 3 ammo and he shoot every 15s
And magazine dmg is 900 max around 1140
So dmg godzilla = bc
sleek grove
Yeah...but the dmg output is slowed by the intraclip reload and being HEed all the time
drowsy latch
@modest prairie well ye
fickle plaza
inland idol
The 183 doesn't need to be removed or nerfed in any way. It is already balanced by having a long reload, unreliable armor, and a slow traverse speed.
bright torrent
i agree
sullen vault
Im glad ur not a developer of this game @inland idol
near gull
Yoooo is the gravedigger getting nerfed?
sullen vault
Pleaze tell me how the 183 doesnt need to be removed when it has no correlation to its line whatsoever?Also,ur talking about raw stats,which should never be a true factor in balancing or a way to look at a tank.
unique scaffold
WG could add turreted TD British line with 183 or FV4005 II at Tier 10
sullen vault
We just dont need tanks that remove over half the hp of tanks,thats not being competitive at all
unique scaffold
Maybe not to heavy tanks (E-100 optics bar getting HESHed is unfair)
Nerf camo also
unique fulcrum
And half the time the nuked are lucky shots.
solid oracle
Just nerf 183 cam0, thsts all
unique scaffold
And the IS tanks are supposed to defeat HESH shells thx to spaced armor
warped valve
Hi tankistes 😏
floral fjord
Hallo
unique scaffold
And what tank are we crying about this morning?
@unique scaffold no matter, Let’s just rage about some tank
Well, we've beaten the T49, 183, and KV-2 into the ground... What's left?
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold another derp or russian tank?
So you can't spam chat...
@unique scaffold well we could go with the mantra of the 40%er and complain Russian bias for a few hours?
Lol
Tbh the Rudy is broken ah
Uhm... Not really. It's in a tier where every tier VII heavy just got massive buffs and it consistently has to deal with the IS spam that is tier VIII.
I will say unbalanced so
Struggles against tier 8s, shreds tier 6/7
It's basically the same as a T-43 and I don't hear complaining that it is over powered.
fiery cairn
What’s you guys opinion on the st Emil
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold no it’s different the fire rate is still broken but the manœuverability is T-43 on steroids, more horsepower and better terrain resistance, not fair SP 1 C has worse manœuverability
Using the SP1c as a bench mark is silly.
Benchmark ? Silly?
(My english level stops here)
sullen vault
Comparing something to spic is like comparing a sports car to a van
fiery cairn
Well hope guys say goodbye to the toaster
sonic token
I already bought it
unique scaffold
Not that different
proud cape
Increase the traverse speed of Pz II Luchs, I'm not gonna sell my favorite speedster
fiery cairn
The toaster is amazing, beast gun
unique scaffold
SP 1 C got overnerfed btw
@unique scaffold yes it did. SP1c is a shell of what it once was.
fiery cairn
Spi c got nerfed? When? What happened?
unique scaffold
@fiery cairn 2 years ago
proud cape
@fiery cairn think it was a year back or little more
It got reduced pen and autoloader shell reload
Aside from that,it's not fast as LTTB,so it's easy prey as it's paper and Dracula loves ramming SP I C
fiery cairn
I’ve played this game since 2015 I was a noob back then . Didn’t rlly get the hang of it till 2016. I didn’t rlly pay attention back then
proud cape
Hence SP I C too slow and I have a exp discount certificate saved for RU251
wary prairie
Same, just made fun till i reached 8k battles
fiery cairn
I love the sp I c in my opinion
wary prairie
Increased 4% in the last 4k battles lol
proud cape
Well SP IC needs to be buffed back to original specs and be made as fast as LTTB
ruby kite
Or buff back the vk28's speed back to 72kmh
Coz its getting outgunned by the RUSSIAN BIAS MT-25 400 DMG AUTOLOADER AT T6
unique scaffold
@little echo biased
The 800 alpha gun always deals like 600 dmg >:T
little echo
reload time
unique scaffold
17.0 on 100% crew and no equipment
little echo
like fv183
ruby kite
If pc wot incl i would say fv4005 stage II @little echo
inland idol
I think the jg reload with 100% crew and gun rammer is 16.0s, but I don't remember.
little echo
thnx
unique scaffold
Hello
little echo
hi
unique scaffold
@inland idol I said no equipment, with gun rammer it’s 15.8s
little echo
oh
ruby kite
How about removing the hitskins in blitz like in pc wot?
bronze mica
BC 25t must be up 2.5sec reloads
wary prairie
Batchats are very well balanced, the tier 7 and 8 need a buff
minor grail
Gravadier need nerf
quick lichen
It hasn’t even been out for one update
Let wg gather data before making any asks for balancing
unique scaffold
And try spelling it right...
lone warren
ok what. it needs to be nerfed, and its hull traverse speed + turret means its not that slow lmao i hope ur joking @inland idol
lunar niche
The combination of high alpha dmg and very good camo, along with good mobility makes it broken. Why play Grille when you can play 183 and do more dmg per shot without getting spotted?
Why even play 600 roll JgpzE100 when you can play 183 that does not lowroll below 850? Armour is better on T110E3 anyway. For all the lowrolls, Jagero might as well be a 640 alpha TD.
astral plank
best td; Wt auf Pz 4
latent sail
I've earned 1 million exp in my 183 and I can tell you it is perfectly balanced.
lunar niche
@astral plank Its better than Grille imo.
inland idol
Well, during the live stream yesterday, they said they were leaving the 183 untouched for now, so there's no point in arguing it any further.
proper zenith
Everyone talks about how the 183 is so op it needs to be nerfed. No one looks at the JGPZE100 when it has only 130dmg less, better penetration and better armor. If the 183 ever gets nerfed everyone will just go for the next high alpha gun which is the JGPZE100 and then after awhile people will be asking for it to be nerfed because it has to good armor or the gun or something.
latent sail
I'm glad. It seriously can't survive another nerf. I lowroll all the time.
inland idol
@proper zenith yeah. Pretty much.
lunar niche
@proper zenith Do you have one? I have bothh and let me tell you. In my 4k total battles in tier X, i have seen a max roll from jagero 4 times. Just 4 times. Only seen 1 max roll of 1500 from a red Jagero 1 time. He was surprised too.
Armour is better on T110E3. Jagero has less mobility, no turret, no camo, no HESH and lowrolls most of the time.
900 rolls are rare in jagero, 800 is here and there. You mostly see 700+ or 600+ dmg rolls.
Just because sk8 said jagero will replace 183 doesn't mean it will. It lacks the thing which makes the 183 broken.
The one that will replace 183 will be Obj 268. That or T110E3. They roll better dmg than Jagero.
proper zenith
I have E3 and it has better armor stat wise. But it has flat facing cheeks u cant angle without compromising the side armor.
I'm going off my opinion not sk8. Our opinions just happen to be the same.
People like big alpha, JGPZE100 has next highest alpha plus armor and it has higher potential alpha. E3 only has 640. You have your opinion on what would happen and I have mine. That's our right
lone warren
@lunar niche lowest i rolled in 183 is like 710 idk how
Also E3 is great i love tje tank
i also somehow rolled for 290 in my fv215b?? This game never fails to surprise me
lyric shore
I'd love to see the 110's stock gun getting an aim time buff
low bluff
Rngesus must not like u guys driving the jag
Ive never got hit from the jag less than 750 only 750-800 if shell went through module if not it does its 800+
lunar niche
@proper zenith People like high alpha but also like to do it in an easy way.
jagero gets penned reagardless of angling. The superstructure cheeks, LFP, track wheel while angled and even the cupola. T110E3 has no such things. The weakspot is troll, even the cupola is very strong.
Jagero has higher potential but never rolls above 800 consistently. It rolls 600-650 most of the time. That is something other 640 alpha tds roll. It is slow, slower than Maus, T110E3. Has no turret like 183 or its camo to snipe. It has no HESH for high dmg, the HE pen is 85 mm.
If they fix the rng on gun, then yeah it will probably replace but as it is now, it will never replace 183 or even Obj 268 for that matter.
low bluff
Eh 183 is balanced to me even tho I dont have it. I've learned to adapt to go against it and i rarely get nuked from it. Nerf it and it will cause a commotion
proper zenith
As I said we both have our own opinions.
unique scaffold
@lone warren with ap you cant roll lower than 300
lone warren
i have played the 183 alot and i can tell you it isnt balanced imo lmao. I dont get spotted at stupid distances. A med trying to flank me? Let me just turn my hull and turret at light speed
low bluff
Um on the matter of you always getting pened in the jag, must be just u
copper slate
i say lets nerf the mobility on the 183 first and see what happens from there
lone warren
Nerf camo, slightly reduce hull traverse would be the way i go at first
low bluff
The 183 is balanced to me coming from a average 61% 3,400 wn8 player
unique scaffold
Imo accuraccy should do it
low bluff
Once 183 gets caught on reload by 2 tanks its ded or just by 1 tank
lone warren
makes sense lets go from turretless tds that are slow in every aspect to a turreted td with the biggest gun that turns quick af and has better camo than a grille yes please
lunar niche
@low bluff Thats the case in every non turreted or turreted tds. Even heavies get rekt by 1 med.
low bluff
Your win rate ans average in jag/183?
lunar niche
53 and 51 in jag and 183. Jag was my first line.
dapper osprey
Can they rework the armor profile for the E4, says 250 front but it feels like 100 even hull down
low bluff
Savage u super duper unicum lets hear your opinion
sullen vault
@low bluff any tank caught on by 2 tanks is ded.and it isnt balanced nor does it fit the line
low bluff
I mean if the 183 is caught on a reload its basically ded
dapper osprey
^^^
sullen vault
1.that cam be any td or tank 2.i highlt disagree
low bluff
To me 183 is balanced
dapper osprey
Eh
sullen vault
Thats an opinion,not a fact.The fact is 183 is not balanced in its current situation,also explain how it dorsnt need to be removed from the line?
low bluff
I dont have it but Ive gotten nuked from it due to my stupid moves in battle. But from map awareness I barely get nuked
lunar niche
@low bluffSo is Jagero and any other heavies or TDs regardless. Seen an IS 7 at full hp getting rekt by a Leopard.
I've done it to T110E4 and Maus in my Leopard.
sullen vault
Its no because of "map awareness" its creating a terrible meta to play with.
lunar niche
You can't predict where 183 is camping. They could be anywhere as they have very good camo. This makes meds hesitant to spot which in turn makes heavies stop and tds to just watch out in case they pop out.
low bluff
Yes the meta where if u pop out and u get nuked from a unspotted 183 and makes u pretty much ded
dapper osprey
Maybe that new Russian medium will fix that, looks like it has the 420 alpha gun
devout shuttle
I think they need to nerf hesh I don't think any heavy should be able to be penned
lunar niche
@low bluff It should be there punish stupid mistakes or a yoloing heavy but as it is now, its broken.
sullen vault
There is a reason it has the lowest wr but yet skyrockets in avg dmg while other tds have corresponding avg dmg to its wr.how is that anyway a view of good balance.
low bluff
Bcs its the best non skill tank at tier10
sullen vault
There u go,ur getting somwhere😄
low bluff
Basically any1 can camp and shoot, and thats why i sometimes rage after doing 4-5k damage in a med or heavy 1st half of battle and die by getting nuked from a camping 183
But most of the battles I didn't wait for my friendlies to spot or i didn't reset my camo.
quick lichen
183 farms with 0 risk
late hatch
“Everyone talks about how the 183 is so op it needs to be nerfed. No one looks at the JGPZE100 when it has only 130dmg less, better penetration and better armor. If the 183 ever gets nerfed everyone will just go for the next high alpha gun which is the JGPZE100 and then after awhile people will be asking for it to be nerfed because it has to good armor or the gun or something.”
You realise how stupid you sound?
quick lichen
Every other tank has to find its own shots
Jg e100 isn’t op nor is it a problem
It has no turret and is very sluggish
dapper osprey
Jg e100 doesn’t have a turret or camo
quick lichen
No hesh either
sullen vault
183 is the no skill td,because it doesnt require any sort of skill level to gain 3k avg.You cant say a tank that can sit in the back and chip off over 1/2 a tanks hp while being unspotted because of its op camo and if it has,the mobiltiy to fall behind.
jovial kernel
Maybe because the Jg E 100 has bad traverse, no hesh, less gun traverse, and bad camo
late hatch
He is probably the 47% guy who sits at the back but has 2.7k avg in 183 and 2k in the rest
sullen vault
How on earth is that balance to u?
jovial kernel
the 183 is basically artillery in blitz at this point
dapper osprey
@late hatch 47%ers don’t have 2k in tier 10s in general
sullen vault
Ur basically stating arty is balance at this point on pc.
jovial kernel
give it 3 shots and that's 2/1 damage ratio as well
jovial kernel
This guy is basically saying 183 takes skill at this point 🤣
jade cargoBOT
Downfall V2#3558 has been warned.
sullen vault
Unintellectual?
quick lichen
No
dapper osprey
Forgive me @quick lichen but you get the point
quick lichen
183s ruin the game
It’s that simple
We have this discussion once a day
Should just pencil it in for 10 am est
minor grail
But u reload 20s and u haven’t got armour and u big cardboard
dapper osprey
@quick lichen I can platoon rn(wrong chat)
quick lichen
@minor grail but you hide in the back and behind a building unspotted
jovial kernel
but it has camo, decent mobility, and memes everything it hits
quick lichen
Honestly it’s not hard to understand
How is trading 400 for 1300 fair?
It’s behind cover before you reload
dapper osprey
If anything needs a nerf it’s the T62A
quick lichen
Mediums don’t need nerfs at all
jovial kernel
they don't even need to trade because by the time they're spotted and anyone can shoot them they're behind cover already
quick lichen
Exactly
dapper osprey
Only 2 second aim time and 4k dpm @quick lichen
unique scaffold
Lol. Mediums need a nerf?!?!
quick lichen
dapper osprey
Mainly the aim time
jovial kernel
I can't believe people actually try to defend the death star anymore, the 183 is op and people need to deal with it
low bluff
I stil prefer 140
lunar niche
I'm surprised IS 4 has less wr than Maus.
quick lichen
Notice the 183. Highest damage. Lowest win rate. Tells you everything you need
unique scaffold
FV4202 ♥️
dapper osprey
@quick lichen DMs
sullen vault
62a dpm nullified many by pen time and u cant just do whatever and use ur 4k dpm,now the 263 has almost the same dpm but far better pen.but is broken? @dapper osprey
lunar niche
@quick lichen I don't play supremacy in Maus. Too slow.
unique scaffold
The problem in tier X is team composition. Seeing 7+ TD's between the two teams is not fun.
minor grail
What is difficulty Ob263 or e4
dapper osprey
@sullen vault nah cuz no turret
jovial kernel
the DPM TDs actually need to stay exposed so in general they involve a lot more thought to play
quick lichen
@lunar niche others do. And lose
@jovial kernel or they camp and watch their team die
coral moon
Blitz just copied the stats of 183 as it is from pc wot . But maps are blitz aren’t that big . So 183 should have a damage per shot nerf accordingly
lunar niche
@quick lichen The chart is the latest one right?
quick lichen
Yes
jovial kernel
correction, involve a lot more thought to play (well)
sullen vault
@dapper ospreyu have lower alpha and worst pen,also gun handling is nothing to complain broken about.leopard has nice gun handling but is it broken?
quick lichen
@coral moon tbh the alpha makes sense compare to the jg and the 150 mms. The problem isn’t that the 183 isn’t balanced. It’s that the 183 simply doesn’t fit in blitz. Same as the Japanese heavies. Maps are far too small
dapper osprey
@sullen vault how long are you gonna yell at me for my bad opinion on tanks?
sullen vault
Im not yelling,im just questioning ur logic. 🤷
dapper osprey
@sullen vault I’m just salty cuz I’m getting clapped by it
sullen vault
Just trade effectively if u are
lyric shore
Nice FV buff incoming... fck
dapper osprey
@lyric shore for 183 or 4202? Cuz 4202 needs it or 215B?
lyric shore
lol hopefully not 183. That statistics board shows how many noobs play with that freakin clicker tank. They just have no skill but do much damage. Tho they fail to win as they cannot do anything but camp.
dapper osprey
@lyric shore wargaming should ban all 40%ers from the server (IMO)
lyric shore
hmmm not imo, but I would lock tiers 7-10 for them and make those tiers only available from 50% WNR up
But as WG deletes those low tier tanks they cannot even learn the game on lower tiers as there are not many tanks left on low tiers
dapper osprey
Yes because so many 40%er buy into higher tiers ruins my statpadding in type 62 on my reroll (reroll was 39% now 48%) @lyric shore
lyric shore
lol having rerolls is poor anyways but 40% players flood high tier mm these days
dapper osprey
@lyric shore I would grind winrate on my main but all I have rn is a tier 5 (main is 54%)
lunar niche
Stats shows the Grille and Jg have worse WR than other tds. Still no buff lol.
lyric shore
agree. why did they remove Jageroo's special HEAT pen and make Obj 268 have exactly the pen Jag has? Of course... as they are Russian German tanks cannot be better than them lol
lunar niche
Jg and Grille have the lowesr avg dmg too. But then again, they are German so no buff lol.
lyric shore
Account ban incoming in 3....2...1.... lul
lunar niche
E50M will probaly be 'adjusted'.
lyric shore
i dont even think E50 is OP. It's just good. Finally. T62 didn't need a buff and got one. E50 needed it.
jovial kernel
Honestly how do people get 45 or lower WR
lyric shore
dont know
jovial kernel
Like I'm a pretty bad player and I'm at 49.95 career and 56 30 day
lyric shore
currently making my way up to 57% on 18k battles
lunar niche
@jovial kernel I had 45% WR when i first got JgE100. 54% now. Some improve, some don't.
jovial kernel
Also the Churchill 1 is murdering my win rate I'm at 37% over 39 battles
lyric shore
that tank is crap, I know
but Black Prince is just a murder. You're grinding through T7 and T6 tanks like butter
proud cape
Black Prince is OP and better armoured variant of Comet but slower
bronze mica
BC must be up with 2.5 sec reload
jovial kernel
My problem with the Churchill 1 is that it's so slow that by the time you can actually do anything it's already a 3v5
proud cape
Well that's for heavy route,I basically hold position in slow tanks with heavy armour
devout shuttle
They need to buff bc she'll reload
visual nimbus
Why is the TOG a thing? It’s so bad! armor wise anyway....
mellow cape
because why not, not every tank needs to be competitive, the tog is so fun to play
visual nimbus
Fun?
boreal thunder
@visual nimbus you win nearly every 1v1
solemn aurora
It is fun to play. And who needs op armor when you have more hp then every tier 8 in the game at tier 6 plus a pretty good gun
And it doesn’t turn slow either, just moves slow.
It’s an in game meme anyways, it’s supposed to be there for the lols, who’s asking you to play it competitively …now I wanna do a tournament with 7 togs…
lone warren
The tog is a fun tank i love it and honestly its a good tank but very situational
solemn aurora
Yep.
drowsy plaza
Problem with the 183 is that it’s a roll the chicken bones tank. I played 35 games in mine yesterday. One game I had 1 hit in 7 shots (min roll) the next game I had 9 hits for 6k dmg a Kob and a Pools. It’s terribly out of balance for Blitz.
solemn aurora
Especially when the tier 5s with low single shot damage guns try to kill you. You can have an entire cup of coffee, start shooting after and still win
lone warren
Are there any other tanks people think need buffing or nerfing? Im tired of seeing 183 discussions tbh lmao
visual nimbus
True true
unique scaffold
T23E3 needs a buff. @lone warrenhappy now?
solemn aurora
I agree with crusader on that one. The other reason being it’s too unique. It can’t fit in, it does not have a certain role. And desire, it’s just so broken so it comes into discussion often, there’s many other tanks that need fixing aswell
lone warren
watch them make the gc op when its removed im keeping the tank
mellow cape
nah they won't
ember thunder
@lone warren tiger 2 and vk 45.02a needs buffing
mellow cape
so many noobs going around in helsings
fiery cairn
Grille needs a buff
Compared to the WT it’s worse in almost every aspect excluding speed and reload
livid snow
AMX 40 is too OP
crude raft
Yeah. The duck bounces literally everything.
small flame
Or you just need to get good and learn how to aim or flank
dark pike
theres something called weak spots, aim at them
lone warren
i think ms-1 should be tier ten
unique scaffold
Or not play tier 4? @livid snow
coral moon
@quick lichen yes you are absolutely right. Maps in blitz are not made for 183
manic birch
So, what is going to replace the Sherman V since it leads up to the Sherman Firefly?
stray gazelle
I don’t know for sure, but I think it is the crusader
kindred nebula
u know wot concers me
exlesor's pen
tiny marsh
The Front Armor from the e100 Need a fix
devout shuttle
^
dapper osprey
@jovial kernel I free exp the church hill
jovial kernel
I would but I spent free xp on T-44 turret
crude raft
Would having a churchill gc get me the AT8?
vernal cosmos
@crude raft idk but it might not get you to the AT8
crude raft
Checkout #devs-answers
lone warren
Yes pretty sure you get the at8 with any xp transferred to the tank. Same as with kv-13 they give you upgraded t43
crude raft
Gr8
south shore
swift sparrow
Is the 15 garage slot offer ever gonna appear again?
hidden portal
You know the grave is cool and all but it seriously needs a Nerf least to reload speed or more apt pen
dark pike
gravedigger pen is quite bad
devout shuttle
Yup but everything else about that tank is op
spring pelican
then you dont know to play
it is so easy to kiil that tank, full of weakspots. Not like Helsing or Lupus or Nameless...
devout shuttle
It's definitely op it isn't broke like healing but it's ok nontheless
spring pelican
why you all say Gravedigger OP and then there is Lupus which is best t7 heavy and no one talks about him, or Edelweis best t7 med and no one talks about him too
dark pike
gravedigger is ridiculously armored for t7
devout shuttle
Bc no one thinks the edwlweiss is op @spring pelican
spring pelican
Lupus isnt armored? @devout shuttle but it is, its much much better then any othere t7 med
devout shuttle
Ok well I don't think do
spring pelican
did you drive Edelweis?
devout shuttle
No but any ran into i would clap
spring pelican
what?
quick lichen
Nameless is the best tier 7 heavy change my mind
uncut raptor
Tiger P*
coral moon
@devout shuttle its true. edelweiss is the best tier 7 medium
rugged patio
Dracula ?
coral moon
Drac doesn’t have any sought of armour
Edelweiss can go hull down and use its 10 degrees of gun dep
Not 10 ...8 degree
proven helm
What is it with the cronical tanks and good gun depression lol
quick lichen
@uncut raptor not a chance
uncut raptor
I hit the spot i guess?
quick lichen
Nameless is smaller, higher alpha for trading shots, stupidly strong frontal armor, no turret hatch and can actually sidescrape
storm jungle
The Vindicator has the worst gun depression.
uncut raptor
I can pen nameless frontal tho and Tiger p can angle in a small way tho
wise ivy
Depends on your playstyle
quick lichen
The 45* angle front plates are easy pen
Tiger p has an enormous hatch
Big lower plate
And it’s slower
uncut raptor
I angle like 10° and i Feel like Maus unless i get rushed by dracula xD
unique scaffold
Ich think the Tier 5 vk could get a better engin
unique scaffold
Hello
cedar flower
Are you suggesting the Nameless needs to be balanced?
quasi flame
what are your opinions on the Panzer IV (tier 5). I love the derp gun (9 sec reload for 330 approx alpha!), but I think WG forgot about the other gun (160 alpha) - i'm pretty sure it has a worse reload than it's predecessor, the Pz IVD...
Assume 100% crew btw
unique scaffold
i have a panzer IV tier 5 and i think the first cannon is just no damage while the second one does a nice amount of damage
also i think the KV-1S does exagerated amounts of damage while you almost cant do any damage to him, that makes it a little bit annoying to play against
hidden solstice
And the reload makes it annoying to play
atomic hound
@quick lichen back to the 183, it may be easy to do damage in, but pushing your wr up from the back of the map is utterly futile. When I first got the tank I played it from the back, but struggled to get my wr over 54%. The only way I pushed it up past 60% was to trade shots from front or second line (I accept you are a better player than me though, but this is what I found over 100s of games). The tank is the most team dependant in tier 10, and the stance I take on being hit by one from the back is that it is always your own fault, since there are a limited number of places they can be, and you chose to risk entering their field of fire.
quick lichen
I’m tired of 183 talk
atomic hound
Sorry, was a bit late to the party
atomic hound
I don't think people would suffer through so many slow and arguably bad tanks for anything less desirable or unique than the 183, personally
atomic hound
@gleaming light there is a reason 183 is most played tier ten. You're wrong here, if you mean replacing the 183
fathom spire
it would be a more logical ugrade than the deathstar. but on the other end its the freakin deathstar. thats would need to be in the game
main vine
I’d think alot of people like using the 183, just not alot like playing against it
quick lichen
The clear solution is to make a separate queue for only 183s
atomic hound
Haha
quick lichen
Let them kill each other and leave the rest of us out of it
main vine
Ok but a vast majority of players don’t go on the forum, or even know it exists
atomic hound
And that still doesn't combat the fact that the 183 is by far the most played tier ten...
main vine
I’m not saying it isn’t.
fathom spire
it fits the line better, buth the deathstar is a signature and meme machine. it cant just be removed. like the amx 40 duck or the kv 2
atomic hound
Bad example, the amx 40 is being removed from tech tree @fathom spire
quick lichen
@gleaming light show some data
fathom spire
yeah, i just know remembered. now i am sad 😦 rip mah duck
quick lichen
Otherwise you might as well say most of the players want the entire soviet line removed. It’s completely unfounded
Show data to support your claim
atomic hound
I think a high DPM, mobile TD with frontal armour requiring prammo for most meds and heavies would cause some controversy in itself, personally. Blitz hasn't yet gone the way of pc which is flooded with tanks requiring prammo
quick lichen
Also how many times do I need to tell you not to @ me?
Badger isn’t that mobile
Way less than the 263 and foch
fathom spire
people mostly go to the forums to complain. oh no, i got 1 shotted IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OPEN. this sh*t must be op. remove it. its like reporting people for doing too good. sadly this is how some people handle their upset
stoic pebble
badger would be broken in blitz's small maps
quick lichen
So you have no actual proof of your claim
atomic hound
Naming the two most mobile tds doesn't mean a whole lot, the other tanks before it have dodgy armour at best, and the badger has a whole lot more mobility than them, and better tier for tier armour.
fathom spire
their winrates, for example could be one
autumn night
do you actually think dracula and spic are balanced to each other?
cedar flower
@autumn night they are very balanced. If you put them together, you have a balanced tier 7 tank. They are yin and yang. Don’t get more balanced than that.
fathom spire
as far as i could seen, both are fast and annoying, but defeateable
autumn night
lol nice one @cedar flower
quick lichen
Sarcasm is difficult for some
cedar flower
Seriousness is difficult for all.
quick lichen
@cedar flower should mandate a drac and sp1c platoons
fathom spire
reading when u fin tired is difficult for all. and me
quick lichen
I think you’re on to something 😂
cedar flower
Totally agree!
cedar flower
Some people play that stock gun on purpose it’s soooo bad.
fathom spire
i will get the spic some day. its just 1 tier away
cedar flower
I’ve avoided it for now. It’s a 1 ram HE shot kill.
quick lichen
I like how a Dracula (medium) is supposed to be balanced with an sp1c (light)
cedar flower
I have it researched. I can tear those things apart with tier 6, though.... it will be a poison pill to play.
fathom spire
some mediums are great heavyes(s.pershing) some are great lights(dracula) but they ranked as mediums.
cedar flower
I think tier 7 is the most ridiculous tier balance wise.
atomic hound
Drac has better armour (spaced stuff), is faster, has a better gun, better rammer, better gun depression, etc. Of course they're going to get compared. Oh, and it has way more hp and a stupid track repair ability
autumn night
medium tanks and light tanks are the most similar classes in the game
fathom spire
lights are more stealthy, but meds have better armaments. usually
quick lichen
^^^
autumn night
also spic is extremely vulnereable to ramming unlike dracula
quick lichen
If you’re getting ram killed in an sp1c, you’re not playing it right
atomic hound
Nobody driving a drac has ever once wished they were in an sp1c instead.
cedar flower
I think WG goofed with the Drac. I want one... but I refuse to crate.
jade cargoBOT
talhaONE#5013 has been warned.
fathom spire
yeah. smaller maps, bigger armor, they all around better. but peeps in lights like me have our places too
autumn night
goodluck runnin away from dracula with your inferior mobility
atomic hound
If a drac wants to ram you and you're in a sp, he will easily outrun you.
quick lichen
Read it
Use buildings
Ridges
Bushes
If you don’t like the play style of a light then don’t play one
fathom spire
hide behind the giant mass of heavyes
fossil crag
Bushes underrated because most don't understand how to utilize the mechanics.
quick lichen
^^^
atomic hound
My Winrate in the sp was over 60%, but that doesn't mean the tank wasn't bad.
cedar flower
Well. I’ll let you know what I think, soon. I just don’t think the SP 1C can hang with much. I’ve never seen an SP 1C that made me nervous.
atomic hound
Let's be honest here, whenever I see an SP I immediately feel lucky. When I see a drac I don't. I'm not the only one by any stretch of the imagination.
quick lichen
It’s not a strong tank in its tier. But players have to adapt to its play style
atomic hound
Hence why it needs a buff
fossil crag
I'm more afraid of Comets and Rudy's in Tier 7...I don't understand everyones obsession of Dracula. Heck, whenever I see a Black Prince on enemy team, I want to commit die.
stoic pebble
my question is - what can the sp1c do that the drac can't do better? I can think of only one, and that's the camo.
cedar flower
I’m bad at those small, no armored, slow turning but fast tanks. Maps are so small and teams so bad... I can’t keep distance.
quick lichen
@fossil crag exactly
I actually balance the tanks myself and never use sarcasm @atomic hound
atomic hound
All of those bar the Rudy are nerfable, and the Rudy is just flat out better than the t43 anyway, even if not by a whole lot.
meager condor
My question is why is the Rudy at tier 7 instead of tier 6?
autumn night
it is tier 6 in PC isnt it?
quick lichen
It’s like that on pc as well
atomic hound
I don't recall being sarcastic
cedar flower
T-43 is a T-34-85 one tier up...
quick lichen
@atomic hound dory syndrome?
cedar flower
I didn’t like it.
quick lichen
T43 is excellent
atomic hound
Perhaps, would you mind reminding me then?
cedar flower
Needs more RoF
atomic hound
Nothing wrong with the t43 at all, very nice tank
cedar flower
I’ve heard that said. I love the T-34-85 (6k Games) but I didn’t like the T-43. Really struggles with IS’s at tier 8
Same problem with LTTB.
jovial kernel
T-43 is a comet that trades a little dpm and gun depression for side scrape ability, armor, and alpha
burnt venture
T43 is comet trading GD for armor and alpha
quick lichen
Lol
fossil crag
Play a Black Prince, you'll forget Dracula and Helsing exist. 😂
quick lichen
Or a nameless
atomic hound
Or a lupus
cedar flower
You two collaborate on that response?
burnt venture
BP was apparently "bad" before RoF buff, but id see why it was OP now lol
jovial kernel
Drac is meh Helsing is oof because I can snap shot one, the other has armor alpha decent dpm and speed
quick lichen
I disagree. Don’t play supremacy and predict team movements
cedar flower
I say give the T-43 a RoF buff.
autumn night
they should have give the panther reload to blackprince instead of comet reload
quick lichen
Fatness pulled 5.6k 1v5 kolo in a black prince
Speed isn’t a problem
Move to a place where you have shots
cedar flower
I just finished Churchill VII. Hated it. Too slow to get where needed.
quick lichen
Use the mini map
fossil crag
I see what's happening here. So if the Black Prince was able to go at 65kph, you would say it's balanced, right? 😂
atomic hound
Yeah, the black prince is op anyway. The at7 though... Ouch.
jovial kernel
I sometimes wonder what would happen if we took a real life churchill and gave it a 1500 hp engine
quick lichen
@fossil crag we should make every tank go 65 kph
atomic hound
You should ask for it to be in server rules (if it isn't already)
fossil crag
Maus with 65kph. 💦
quick lichen
Ram ranch
cedar flower
It’s called Mad Games.
sharp coral
SP IC Just why even get it really
jovial kernel
for the RU is why
cedar flower
Didn’t go that fast even with it.
sharp coral
I really love the SP IC
quick lichen
You guys act like the panther and panther 2 grind are easier than the sp1c and ru
jovial kernel
I mean, it could be the T-34-2 stock grind lmao
autumn night
panther 1 is good
atomic hound
At least you won't get 2 shotted by IS spam in a panther though
sharp coral
It’s like so easy to kill by ramming with my Type 58 I just use accelerator
stoic pebble
panther 2 is fun, I don't think it was that underpowered when i played it
jovial kernel
the T-34-2 stock grind is actually bloody disgusting
autumn night
panther 2 was decent when i played it but it was long time ago
quick lichen
@jovial kernel agreed
sharp coral
Panther II is great in mad games those ru 251s and SP ICs don’t see u coming
stoic pebble
I believe that the stock grind for the ST-I should be changed somewhat - 175 pen at T9 on a heavy tank that slow is just suicide
unique scaffold
Tier 8 is gr8 because it has the best light tanks ☺️
atomic hound
Anyone here played the ST-I fully stock?
jovial kernel
you need to get 16k xp for a gun you should have gotten at tier 7 but for the 16k xp you need to play with 126mm pen at tier 8
atomic hound
@stoic pebble wow, took the words right out of my mouth there
sharp coral
I can ram the SP IC to death in my SU-122-44 easily I think SP IC is just too bad just get the VK.30.2.D it’s better
fathom spire
just thinking, what if they implemented the research style used in war thunder?
jovial kernel
oh wow the churchill 1 is actually decent in mad games what
fathom spire
i dont said why, i said what if. cmon, theorize a bit
unique scaffold
What if they introduced the level up system they have in Candy Crush???
sharp coral
@gleaming light I just did and it’s my opinion so yeah cope on
fathom spire
irritating grinds would be out of the question
jovial kernel
I like how less than a week and people already got salty on the forums over how Pramo members are mod here
unique scaffold
@quick lichen don't steal my idea
sharp coral
Mad games is just better to upgrade some tanks like the T28 Prot stock grind wasn’t too bad in mad games
quick lichen
You mean 3 of us? @jovial kernel
atomic hound
I'm not on NA, what's the issue with prammo?
jovial kernel
ye lol some people on forums got salty
unique scaffold
Forums make the ocean look unsalted
sharp coral
What are forums ? And wha wrong with Pramo people?
fathom spire
peoples go there to relieve their stress of the game. they got 1 shot they go there, if they lose cause ,''their team sucks'' they go there, etc
unique scaffold
Is it true Pramo once wrestled a bear... And won?
jovial kernel
Personally I stay to the opinion that pramo is about 90% salty bois and a few genuinely nice people, as is every other competitive clan in any game
atomic hound
I feel for you mate
uncut raptor
I do Not know pramo so i don't Really care about pramo being mods lol
unique scaffold
Never had a issue with anyone from Pramo.
sharp coral
@quick lichen I’ve been through this too lol only being the leader of a clan it’s not in wot blitz though
uncut raptor
Thats the Whatsapp Status from one in my class lol
atomic hound
So which tanks (tech tree) do you think need balancing then raik?
quick lichen
Good question
uncut raptor
Btw i understand if You Keep kv2 but y not Let it do less dmg
jovial kernel
Raik do you think the new german heavies will cause any balance issues
uncut raptor
Buff? Wtf no @gleaming light
atomic hound
It's not funny that the löwe is just a better tiger 2 now, yeah
quick lichen
I don’t think so. I know everyone is afraid of the tier 8 German but the sides are easy pen
sharp coral
IS-4 nerf why @quick lichen people only care about IS-7 it’s just better
quick lichen
Just open up firing lanes
Is4 got a turret and front plate buff. It can only get one in my opinion
@gleaming light if someone wants your opinion, they can ask. Stop speaking for me
atomic hound
Only if they give you the sides. The löwe is the bane of less mobile tanks precisely because they are forced to shoot the strongest bits whilst getting penned by its amazing gun
sharp coral
@quick lichen Tiger II in mad games against T28 Prot. And me in the T28 Prot. Is me easy win I can pen the front of the Tiger || like butter
quick lichen
Lowe definitely got over buffed
The tiger 2 problem is actually that the lowe is just better
jovial kernel
the Lowe can't sidescrape properly because of the side bulges from the turret tho that's the only downside other than weak sides in general imo
atomic hound
Yeah
sharp coral
Lowe is no match for me in the T28 Prot. In mad games @quick lichen
uncut raptor
But Löwe wont get nerfed so thats fine as i play it myself lul
stark oriole
Hi all
high lantern
Hey Iraikenon
sharp coral
Tiger || does need to be buffed I agree
quick lichen
@high lantern hello
jovial kernel
that's... not the point talha
atomic hound
@gleaming light you don't get pinged continuously by many people, probably
uncut raptor
Cant say anything Against it i like Tiger 2 and i play it so Please Buff it xD
quick lichen
@atomic hound LOL
sharp coral
Iraikkonen u mean @high lantern
unique scaffold
quick lichen
Easy with the image spam
jovial kernel
He said stop speaking for me not stop pinging me so 🤷
uncut raptor
Ken
high lantern
I can't spell ur name R peopele lol
jovial kernel
now you're just gonna get muted for being a terrible person lol
atomic hound
@gleaming light you're just looking for trouble now dude, why bother...
jade cargoBOT
/)~|DevILx;_;|~)#9008 has been warned.
unique scaffold
That’s rough
sharp coral
He’s image spamming warn him why only me grrr
sharp coral
No it’s not
quick lichen
@unique scaffold please don’t spam
unique scaffold
There is no image spam, posting 3 images every 3-5 minutes, possibly only 1 more in a minute isn’t spam smh smh smh.
jovial kernel
yeah it kinda is, you're posting like random anime stuff whatever idk
quick lichen
^^^
lunar niche
How is IS 6? I have an offer at 50%
quick lichen
@unique scaffold 3 pictures in a second
@lunar niche power crept to death
Is5 is better
jovial kernel
IS 6 is strong but not op I'd say
sharp coral
3 pictures in a second is impossible
sharp coral
Yeah you can but we have not
stoic pebble
I would say the IS-6 is still useful - even with the 175mm pen gun I can get consistent 2k games.
jovial kernel
IS-6 has great dpm and you can bully mediums also it has good mobility for a heavy
atomic hound
@stoic pebble consistent 2k games all the way until you run into an e75 and wish you had an is5
quick lichen
112 and 111 are far better in side scraping
livid snow
With AMX 40 you can farm coins way too easy.. Got 1 kill and got destroyed... 13k coins
quick lichen
Or the heat gun
jovial kernel
IS-6 is good but only if you run medium lane every match
quick lichen
Except mod 1 and super persh
jovial kernel
nah it can do head to head with Mod 1 Mod 1 has bad dpm
lunar niche
Is it similar to IS 4?
atomic hound
Super pershing is stupid. How am I supposed to hit the hatch of a super pershing with something like the is5, and more to the point, why should I have to? It is a medium, not a heavy, why the hell does it have the frontal armour of a tier ten heavy, that is all spaced so I can't use heat?
quick lichen
What tank
stoic pebble
its called aim and pray
lunar niche
Whoa just aced Jgaro at 1386 xp
quick lichen
@atomic hound I don’t have issues against it. Turret hatch is 50/50 pen
jovial kernel
IS-6 has about 500 more dpm than the mod 1 which is nice
quick lichen
Is5 accuracy lets it down
atomic hound
True, a 50/50 pen with a 1/100 hit chance
quick lichen
Is6 dpm gun needs calibrated
lunar niche
@quick lichen Is 6. Does it play like IS 4? the hull looks similar.
quick lichen
No
Is4 is way better and no frontal weak points other than the lower plate
Is4 can side scrape way better
jovial kernel
IS-6 actually has a thicker lower plate than upper plate fun fact, less sloped tho.
atomic hound
Is4 actually has hull armour, is4 turert is indestructible frontally, even to 960 HE, and the armour gets better when you angle it rather than worse
jovial kernel
don't count on your armor unless you're going medium lane and laughing as you out trade and out DPM the T-44s
autumn night
i use dpm gun on it for fun
stoic pebble
i run IS-6 dpm gun with rammer
atomic hound
@jovial kernel can't count on the armour Vs most meds at tier 8, since most of them have 200+ pen
quick lichen
@autumn night when you see a vk b or e75 what do you do?
I’d just exit the app if it were me
jovial kernel
hope the enemy E 75 didn't go medium lane
I mean no E 75 ever runs medium lane so it's not like you're gonna meet them unless it ends in 1v1 or smth
autumn night
pick another target
atomic hound
There will probably be a load of vks now with the release of the vk72.01 k next patch, I suggest that you don't play the is6 again...
stoic pebble
wasn't the IS-6 designed to kill T7 tanks on launch?
quick lichen
Yes
autumn night
it is not my duty to as a bottom tier tank
quick lichen
Uh what?
atomic hound
I have one, I have only really used it in mad games where the pen doesn't matter because nobody can hold angles to you, especially when you're invisible.
quick lichen
Your job is to kill everything you see
jovial kernel
IS-6 bullies mediums and that's it's role
autumn night
dpm gun is more fun and work better for me idc the rest
atomic hound
If we are talking tanks you can't kill in other tanks, let's not forget that the pz2j cannot pen the valentine tanks, the amx 40, or the dw2 from anywhere, even shooting premium ammo. They are utterly unkillable. (Yes I know it is tier 3, but still...)
jade cargoBOT
talhaONE#5013 was softbanned
unique scaffold
hmm
quick lichen
He’s got a long list of this man
autumn night
exactly which rule did he violate?
atomic hound
Had it coming to him, if you don't mind me saying so
strong condor
He is the only person i have ignored in wotblitz forums. Not surprised 👀
autumn night
i cant see that on the restrictions
strong condor
Yes
jade cargoBOT
talhaONE#5013 was banned
atomic hound
Why the full ban? He didn't do anything more did he?
quick lichen
Soft ban doesn’t work
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Countless warnings and a few mutes
Still doesn’t learn
jade cargoBOT
talhaTWO#1018 was banned
unique scaffold
livid snow
xD
unique scaffold
seems legit talhaone is banned and talhatwo joins
atomic hound
Hahaha
strong condor
Good stuff lul
livid snow
That escalated quickly
unique scaffold
Do I have a talhaTHREE? A talhaTHREE? Anyone, a talhaTHREE?
atomic hound
Same guy, obviously
atomic hound
Hey, it says 'discussing mod decisions' but agreeing won't get me banned right?
unique scaffold
@summer dirge you are ...
@summer dirge also swearing to a mod..
not the smartest thing to do
swearing in general
quick lichen
@summer dirge are you also questioning mod decisions?
unique scaffold
Seems like it to me
zealous oriole
OOF
wary prairie
Delete 183, broken tank
quick lichen
It’s funny @unique scaffold that account hasn’t talked when talhas are here
unique scaffold
also funny how it says new to discord
quick lichen
Also cries about the drac
jade cargoBOT
balancedtankdestroyer#1956 was banned
quick lichen
👋🏼
zealous oriole
So, @quick lichen , do you solely moderate the chat here or do you also have the power to suggest things to WG? If so, tell them that the Grave digger is ridiculously OP (side armor blackholes) and that penetration on some tanks need to be looked at.
quick lichen
I moderate all channels
People like that make me stay in this channel
It’s quite annoying
wary prairie
183 kills the game + a lot of braincells
zealous oriole
I have a 183, it's overrated.
quick lichen
@zealous oriole we need to give it more time. Just aim low at the front. There’s some weird spaced armor on the sides I agree
jade cargoBOT
__SP4RT4CUS__#2694 has been warned.
quick lichen
I can’t handle another 183 conversation
wary prairie
Omg why that
zealous oriole
Yeah, I've seen a green Type 62 bounce 4 times consecutively on the sides of a Gravedigger near end game where everyone was rushing his position.
Also, I doubt that WG is removing the 183. It's not even that OP anyway.
quick lichen
Use type 62 wn8 rounds 😂
wary prairie
How is that swearing omg, if this is such kind of server...
quick lichen
Let me show you
zealous oriole
Wasn't me, someone else on green
I don't even have a T62 lol....
@wary prairie Not sucking up to PRAMO/WG in any way, however you probably should understand mods like iraikkonen (what does that mean anyway?) are stuck in a precarious position. They do not get paid by WG, however the players don't appreciate their positions either
fossil crag
Did someone say 183 isn’t even that OP? 😏 That 62A disagrees.
unique scaffold
My issue isn't the 183. It is the number of 183's and TD's in general. Make the game very stagnant.
Same with kv2
same with kv1s
quick lichen
Do you think we don’t have mod logs?
wary prairie
I get warned for a message i edit in 5s?
zealous oriole
RIP.
Also, why is there a 45-second limit? Do known non-spammers get a pass?
unique scaffold
It's being spammed and ruining those who are trying to grind
i mean, he corrected the message but ok
quick lichen
It’s a warning
unique scaffold
I should get a pass @quick lichen. All my posts are informative and entertaining.
wary prairie
And shit aint even offensive to 999/1000 people, these warnings are useless
stoic pebble
...
unique scaffold
U swore again
quick lichen
Is he still innocent?
thin condor
But then just think what TD would everyone go to of course the JGpz E100
unique scaffold
@wary prairie you don't read so well do you?
zealous oriole
the irony is making me laugh.
it's like when you procrastinate, start doing work, then search up articles on why one procrastinates.
quick lichen
@unique scaffold is he still innocent?
strong condor
This is big channel and its good that any kind of swearing is not accepted
unique scaffold
The foch 155 is a good tank but it's a very rare sight in t10 battles
quick lichen
Wrong channel
unique scaffold
another swearer 🤔
wary prairie
How am i swearing omg, this is crazy bruh
cunning sapphire
is shit a bad swear word
jade cargoBOT
__SP4RT4CUS__#2694 was muted
unique scaffold
technically "sh**" is not swearing to anyone, but im not a mod or the owner to discuss this so im gonna not do it
jade cargoBOT
_K_E_V_1_N_#2131 was muted
unique scaffold
@wary prairie just saying he can mute/ban you for discussing mod's decisions
ah too late
quick lichen
I’m not doing this
There are kids on this server
Behave or get moderated
It’s that simple
unique scaffold
Ok,better agree with mods then...
thin condor
But technically if your under 13 you aren't allowed to play. Go to app store or Google play and you'll see
zealous oriole
lol big oofs
quick lichen
Half of these people ask for problems and people ask questions
@thin condor right and no one under 18 plays cod right?
strong condor
16000 people here. Its necessary to have tight rules
quick lichen
^^^
zealous oriole
I can't speak for everyone, however r/AskHistorians is one of the most heavily moderated subs I know of, and the quality of its content is excellent
thin condor
Well I played call of duty on my playstatin 2 when I was 10 but the world was different back then
quick lichen
Breaks the rules
unique scaffold
Especially in a world filled with toxicity.I mean it's the work playerbase.Rules do need to be strict here.
i think we should take this discussion to the dms since this channel is for talking about balance of the game
The inability of people to follow simple rules is incredibly funny to me.
jovial kernel
Yeah but this discord is full of 90% 13 year olds, just like the game is
quick lichen
@unique scaffold you’re right
Really quick. What’s a tier 9 tank that’s under powered?
GO
jovial kernel
laughs in Kpz 70
quick lichen
Lol
prime oracle
Wz120
unique scaffold
But bad gun depression
jovial kernel
WZ-120 could use a buff to 4 degrees of gun depression at least imo
thin condor
But if it's played right the tort can be a very important tank
unique scaffold
Shouldn't the 112 get a 46 kmh speed like in wot pc?Or is it gonna be a fast bunker on wheels.
strong condor
M103 is underpowered imo. E75 and Conq are just better
thin condor
I mean you play it like the rest of the tanks in the line exept you don't have armor like the rest. Excluding at8
unique scaffold
E100 has that big lower glacis.And if anyone loads a gold shell,the turret cracks like nuts
thin condor
Buff the T54E1 lol it's probably the most op
unique scaffold
amx 50 120 imo
prime oracle
@unique scaffold nab
unique scaffold
Make the type 59's gun a little bit more accurate.
stoic pebble
Buff the object 140's turret to PC levels then it will be balance :^)
jovial kernel
Give the IS-6 a 2000 hp engine thanks
thin condor
And make the kv2 have the accuracy of a grille
prime oracle
Why did lunar get power here
unique scaffold
The is-6 IRL could reach 44 kmh.Not 35 kmh top speed in game
jovial kernel
because that with 2400 dpm on a 122mm gun would totally be balanced, especially with the armor
Helsing is far more overpowered than the Drac because Drac drivers think they're some hot sh** and try to dpm brawl comets and die
Drac takes skill to be op, I'm fine with that. Helsing does not however so I have a much bigger problem with that
unique scaffold
in my opinion the type 62 is better than the dracula
stoic pebble
So what you're saying is Drac has a high skill floor and ceiling while the Helsing has a low floor
jovial kernel
Yes, making the Helsing the only op one in my mind
Prammo pen.
don't need normalization when calibrated shells gives you 275mm pen lol
quick lichen
@undone briar how many accounts you gonna make?
stoic pebble
I believe cs in any french light tank above T6 is the best way to play, along with the T71.
jovial kernel
I'm not doing it wrong if I can pen a KV-4's front at literally 50 degrees
quick lichen
Comes back with the same yellow discord icon and complains about the drac first message
At least make this a challenge
I was born yesterday
unique scaffold
@undone briar you remind me of someone...
jovial kernel
only thing that would be more sad was if he started calling people suburb boys 🤣
jovial kernel
was just making a little forum joke 😦
ashen marsh
old ingot
Nerf the gravedigger armor
winged barn
It has plenty of weak spots
winged barn
Lower plate? Cupola? Looking down on its hull with a tank with gun depression?
quick lichen
@unique scaffold hacker
unique scaffold
How are you?
This thing is literally insane, could probably get 2.8k or 3k if I just got it again
@unique scaffold some dude in my clan has like 2900 avg in it
Hello der @unique scaffold and ye @unique scaffold it’s so ridiculous lmao I love it
Hope youre doing fine
Cheers, still in hospital. Been just over a week now, just my legs now due to complications during the operations.
radiant verge
I want the batchat at teir 10 to have more alpha at 350 instead of 310. Also I would like to see it have 5 shells in a mag with a longer reload
jovial kernel
Nah I'd say 350 4 shot is good
strong condor
How about balancing it? Bc is super good already
dense sleet
to be honest with the t57 heavy tho
scarlet cargo
57 is doing fine a hull turret buff would nice
dense sleet
i would like it to go 40 instead of 35
and maybe have a dmg buff to like 410 or 420, but if i could choose between the 2 i would say faster speed
especially given how light the armour is
scarlet cargo
Yeah
jovial kernel
57 gets actual turret armor on a tier 10 autoloader unlike bat chat and 50b, plus it has actual gun depression too
scarlet cargo
Ye dont froget 1 mm extra pen
dense sleet
what is better? T57 Heavy or AMX 50b? Like the reload speed wise
sullen vault
50B for Full reload,T57 for intra clip reload
dense sleet
cause my T57 H has a 20.6 sec reload and 2.5 in between
sullen vault
i mean,u can just use blitzstars for this
tepid cipher
They both have the same clip reload time
50B takes 3 seconds between shells
unique scaffold
I think the Foch's need their auto loaders
sullen vault
@tepid cipher i thought they had different,im guessing since the rebuff its the same
low bluff
57 has better reload between shell and has some armor but sacrifices speed
The 50b can relocate/roll with meds
jovial kernel
I mean the 57 can kinda roll with meds but it is late to the fight
warped anchor
-->>> 50 B for relocation,slightly better accuracy and handling,and good gun depression,as well as a better rammer
-->> t57 all about that unload and can bounce more then 50b
More playstyle dependant I find them equal just different roles
silent agate
severe valve
comet needs buff
tiny cairn
yes i agree penetration buff pls
severe valve
and bloom just slightly
ember thunder
Comet is already OP
severe valve
no
dark pike
comet is ok
unique scaffold
Hay
severe valve
comet is not in a good place right now. Armor does work, and gun is worse because of the shifting to a heavy meta in tier 7
jovial kernel
And the excessive abuse to Comet and T-43 drivers by me in the KV-13 after 5.5 is not going to help
shell parcel
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low bluff
@severe valve a little pen buff to it wont hurt
thorny bison
@shell parcelare you german?
void marten
Yeah I bit more pen on the comet would be nice
limpid elm
Tbh, I kinda agree with Dark_Magician_Girl. Tier 7 tanks will face tier 8 tanks in many games. With premiums at tier 8 being mostly heavies, tier 7 is also full of heavy tanks. Comet lacks pen. It struggles in some maps.
teal crane
HEY
indigo knot
Yaa I didn't like comet as much as I liked panther when I played it. The bloom and penetration is horrible in comet.
limpid elm
Panther in da hause boii
indigo knot
Is there any possibility or way that there may be a slot added for tier9 tanks for the tournaments....I mean a seperate slot instead of tier 9-10 tournament. There are so many good tanks at tier 9. Is there any possibility???
limpid elm
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