#tank-balance-discussion

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junior coral
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Make the kpz 70 a t10 medium with the original horse power

void patrol
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@junior coral then that 150mm wannabe gun will be underperforming. Besides, why would you want people to be able to buy their way into Tier X, when f2p players spend much time and effort to reach, and their effort spent cannot be valued with mere dollars and gold. Just imagine spending almost 2 years grinding 1 line to reach tier 10, only to see some guy with 3 battles on record driving a Chieftain Mk 6 on your team and throwing the game. It’s infuriating

unique scaffold
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I feel like we gotta talk about the ISU
[Edit]: 152 specifically

dapper osprey
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Any plans to increase the speed of T28 proto? The gravedigger weighs 10 more tons and goes 15 kph faster, totally not P2W.

iron lynx
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ISU 152 is fine

dark pike
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isu 152 is fine with its ridiculously strong gun

iron lynx
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It has to, with the bad armor and traverse

dark pike
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su series dont have good armor but a health buff to isu might be needed because 1010 hp is a joke even for tds

void patrol
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The poor armor and traverse is to help balance the tank, especially when it carries the best gun tier for tier

iron lynx
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Rhm gets 1k base health tho

dark pike
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no borsig is 1100 hp

iron lynx
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Dafuq why am I always rate limited

unique scaffold
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@dapper osprey im guessing that the crazy amounts of armor that the proto has makes up for the speed. (T28 proto)

dark pike
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the only thing the t28 proto has over the t28 is angled hull armor and a turret

unique scaffold
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Let's talk about the red headed step children of tier VII. The panther M10 and the T23E3. These tanks have been completely forgotten for a long time now. Since 3.6 the have repeatedly been ninja nerfed by changes to the meta. 3.6 hurt their premium round. A round that was used often due to the constant IS spam they face. Then 3.8 took their vents and nerfed their gun rammer while at the same time buffing the armor of that same IS spam. These tanks took a massive hit in their DPM over a series of updates. This needs to be addressed.

iron lynx
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T23E3 is still fun

unique scaffold
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@unique scaffold Agreed, and aren't u on the forums?

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Not saying it isn't fun. I'm saying it has been repeatedly ninja nerfed over a period of updates. And yes @unique scaffold I am.

dapper osprey
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@unique scaffold yeah but gravedigger is that but faster, if it goes 20 it should have a bigger gun so that way your team doesn’t ditch you for the mediums

iron lynx
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Hmm you are right
I kinda need more pen on the T23E3
Or faster reload, whatever helps

unique scaffold
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@dapper osprey Very good point, i agree. The Gravedigger also has amazing speed, its hard to think of whats going on with the speeds. I think the t28 needs a speed buff or grave needs a speed nerf (unlikely) :GWseremePeepoThink:

iron lynx
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When I aim at Gravedigger front with Rhm, I see all red

autumn night
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grave digger gun is terrible, the tank is balanced

unique scaffold
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@autumn night oh no no no, its not terrible

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For the T23E3 I'd like to see a slight rof fire increase and for the gun to be made similar to the bulldog. APCR standard and heat as pramo.

iron lynx
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Heavy version of the AMX 13 57

autumn night
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if a gun with bad pen 90 alpha, and bad accuracy for 57mm is not terrible i dont know what is

dapper osprey
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@unique scaffold T28 has somewhat good armor too, you can get your sides HE so if someone circles you you die, but if you had a 640 alpha gun like everyone other tier 8 td (excluding french and British) maybe your team will support you

iron lynx
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Its pen is somewhat good actually

autumn night
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you cant afford to fully aim your shots most of time and nearly half of them miss or bounce

iron lynx
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Then the T28 will be a slimmer T95 one tier lower

viscid granite
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Buff for german tiger , tiger ll

unique scaffold
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@dapper osprey I strongly agree with that, it either needs more alpha or more speed. Maybe a balance of both

dapper osprey
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@unique scaffold because that’s what tier 8 is all about, speed

humble olive
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@viscid granite , i agree, heavy tanks should not be Penderecki with higieny explosive on the black dog od the ru 251

iron lynx
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T28 prototype armor is kinda pointless when everyone knows your turret can be penned easily

viscid granite
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@humble olive tiger should get buffed because its just brick with low damage per shot

iron lynx
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The T28 prototype is like a weaker T34

humble olive
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U suggest it should get a 105mm?

dapper osprey
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@unique scaffold I would also like to mention it has the wort pen of all tier 8 TDs it’s the slowest too, so if you play it ruins your winrate

viscid granite
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<@&481447501690568709> e75 should get a little bit more armor in lower plate

quick lichen
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@viscid granite we do not balance the tanks. Please don’t @ us over that

sour bone
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Hello im new to this channel,moderators i agree e75 should get more armor at lower plate

quick lichen
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Personally I think the e75 is fine as is. Side scrape and get hull down ¯_(ツ)_/¯

unique scaffold
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^

worthy basin
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we don't work for WG. We're just players doing volunteer-work

humble olive
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Coz as for me developers should rather add new branches to the tech tree with some unique gameplay like let's say a kanonenjagdpanzer based atgm vehicles not just premiums with crazy good dpm/autoloader

quick lichen
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Tanks aren’t supposed to be impenetrable

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That’s kinda the point of the game

dapper osprey
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Why is slow mode so long

timber geyser
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@worthy basin is youtuber that streamed Twister cup?

worthy basin
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yes

jade cargoBOT
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dynoSuccess Captain2xJ#6548 has been warned.

bold dagger
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gotta be kidding me

unique scaffold
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@dapper osprey to stop spam and keep this section calm

iron lynx
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ATGMs don't work well
A few moments back the T49 ATGM is already very broken

quick lichen
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Lol mav

bold dagger
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E75 has a stronger effective lower plate on flat ground than the E100

dapper osprey
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@unique scaffold ok but 45 seconds?

worthy basin
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E75 is very noob-friendly. If it gets buffed, it's going to be way too OP

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especially when driven by unicorns

quick lichen
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Exactly

viscid granite
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@bold dagger how can t54 pen you then

quick lichen
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Heat?

timber geyser
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Yep

quick lichen
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The cupola

worthy basin
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@viscid granite because they aim

quick lichen
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The sides

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Rear

worthy basin
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^all of that

quick lichen
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Anywhere BUT the front plate?!

dark pike
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e 75 has a very strong lower plate if angled

unique scaffold
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If you think the E-75 needs a buff you are playing it wrong.

quick lichen
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@unique scaffold hola

worthy basin
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Just because it's not impenetrable, doesn't mean it's weak in the slightest

viscid granite
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@dark pike but you need to be pro to angle lower plate and not get pen on the side

quick lichen
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Nope

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You absolutely don’t have to be a pro

unique scaffold
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Aloha @quick lichen!

Opinion on the T23E3 pretty please. I think the meta since 3.6 has been very unkind to that poor tank.

humble olive
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Some people say that black prince needs to be buffed...

quick lichen
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I think it’s a paper medium that isn’t very special

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I don’t want one

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I’d rather have a drac rudy Helsing nameless lupus etc

viscid granite
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Also in all my 450 battles with e75 i got only one ammo reck

quick lichen
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You should spend more time on armor inspector

void patrol
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I really think the T23E3 needs a penetration buff, maybe give it a 90mm gun with the exact same dpm

quick lichen
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But not getting ammo racks doesn’t mean a tank is bad

unique scaffold
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The point I made earlier was that it used to be so much better. It and the Panther M10 are the red headed step children of tier VII.

quick lichen
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Panther m10 has gone from seal clubber to meh

humble olive
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@void patrol , how would you then play other stuff like my beloved e25 or even the comet, these vehicles would be just peeka boo,Ed by the crazy t23e3 90mm

viscid granite
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Ammo rack hiting system needs to be balanced because in 70% of geting ammo rack kill it will be done by tank destroyer

unique scaffold
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Give the T23e3 a slightly faster firing version of Bulldogs 76mm single shot gun. APCR as standard and Heat as pramo.

quick lichen
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Tank destroyers 1 have bigger guns and 2 do more module damage

dapper osprey
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Buff the T30 turret, 279 is not enough

humble olive
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As for me, t23e3 is a well balanced vehicle, it can be both horrible and awesome. It depends on how you play it

quick lichen
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Tank destroyers as oddly as it sounds, are designed to destroy tanks with larger gun calibers and higher penetration

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@dapper osprey that’s a joke right?

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Please learn how to e75

void patrol
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@humble olive can’t E25s just get below the barrels of reds and burn them down at point blank range while comets COD? The difference between the comet and the T23E3 is that the comet at least has a trollish turret and great mobility while the T23E3 is sluggish at best, even with engine boost

quick lichen
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The T30 is an absolute monster. Doesn’t need any help

dapper osprey
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@quick lichen yes, but not about the T28 proto needing a buff it is really lacking in everything

unique scaffold
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But it goes backwards really fast!🤣

quick lichen
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Not every tank is designed to be god tier

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Some tanks are going to be bad

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It’s just a fact

viscid granite
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@quick lichen t30 has a lot of damage per shot but its armor needs to be nerfed

dapper osprey
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Name a bad Russian tank other than kv3

quick lichen
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What are you talking about

void patrol
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@humble olive plus 90mm damage model isn’t really what you wanna use for peek-a-boo tactics. The alpha is too low. Only 200.

quick lichen
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T30 only has turret armor

unique scaffold
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@dapper ospreyA-32

west torrent
quick lichen
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Kv-13

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^^^

humble olive
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@void patrol , e25 can't get down below every tank gun but just certain heavies, and it's still difficult to remain there no matter how good you are and comet's turret ain't that strong, believe me

quick lichen
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T30 and e75 are among the best tanks in tier 9

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They’re also very easy to use

dapper osprey
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I need isu

quick lichen
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I’m not sure what you guys are looking for here

unique scaffold
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JagdTiger and SU-122-54 very good tiers 9 too

quick lichen
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Tier 9 is one of my favorite tiers

unique scaffold
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@quick lichen a discussion about balance?

quick lichen
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It honestly feels quite balanced

dapper osprey
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If don’t average 2k damage at tier 8 are you a noob?

unique scaffold
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But it’s almost always bottom-tier :/

quick lichen
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@unique scaffold there’s balance and then buffing a tank into broken status

viscid granite
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@quick lichen idk what is it but sometimes e75 feels like its made out of paper

steel vault
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I think is4 must have 200 more hp

quick lichen
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Good players make it work

stoic pebble
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T9 feels like the best tier in the game; you can stomp tier 8 while remaining very competitive against tier 10s.

quick lichen
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@viscid granite if the e75 feels like paper I’ve got bad news for you with every tank other than the is4 and maus

unique scaffold
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I agree tier nine does feel well balanced... Until you are bottom tier with 7-9 tier X TD's spread between the two teams. Then it feels less balanced.

viscid granite
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@quick lichen i said sometimes

unique scaffold
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Tier 9 tournaments should exist

dapper osprey
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Is su-100 a hard grind?

steel vault
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Anyone with me is4 needs 200 more xp

quick lichen
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If you drive side on to a 183 in an e75, your tank will feel like paper

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@steel vault is4 is already broken op

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And you want it getting more hp?

unique scaffold
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IS-4 is fine
Gun balances it

quick lichen
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Is-4 isn’t balanced

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Why does every tier x clan spam is4s for the last year?

west torrent
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The gun is amazing on the 4

steel vault
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Mmm is4 have 2500 hp in pc

unique scaffold
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It could be good without being OP
rages about slow mode

quick lichen
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We aren’t on pc are we?

west torrent
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And Maus has like 3,000

quick lichen
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None of the tanks have the same ho

unique scaffold
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It's a vicious circle. Bad players gravitate towards OP tanks, suck in them, and then the tanks get buffed. So goes life in Blitz.

quick lichen
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Hp*

dapper osprey
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Maus vs. T92 HMC (before AP we removed for SPGs)

quick lichen
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Why is that even here

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We don’t have arty

west torrent
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@unique scaffold that’s not how balancing works. It’s balanced off of 55%ers->65%ers

steel vault
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It also needs more fire power @quick lichensurely actuelly I want it sorry it is my opinion pl

viscid granite
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@quick lichen is e75 same in wot pc as in wot blitz

unique scaffold
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I know... It just feels that way sometimes

quick lichen
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E75 is just as good in blitz as it is in pc

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If not better

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@steel vault I guess you really hate the is-7 then

steel vault
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@quick lichenmmm it i right

quick lichen
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200 hp more on an is-4 means there is no point in playing an is-7

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Absolutely none

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So you would break tier x

steel vault
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@quick lichenno i like is7

quick lichen
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And call it balancing

unique scaffold
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It’s already broken as hell

viscid granite
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@quick lichen they say is tanks need more armor just because is is made to be facing straight at enemy

sly locust
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@vocal pebble does that chart show that M48 Patton needs a nerf?

quick lichen
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Then go hull down or angle

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Don’t just sit still on flat ground

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This isn’t hard

void patrol
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@humble olive the Comet turret ain’t strong, but it is still trollish, given that part between the gun and the chassis is like jutting out to make the surface uneven. Besides, E 25 can still kinda snipe, given that its still very small, thus having a good camo rating. T23E3 on the other hand does not bring anything to the table. Its big, the gun’s performance is underwhelming, the armor feels worst than the Pz.sFl IVc, and it feels painfully slow.

viscid granite
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@quick lichen lower plate is only thing you can pen then

sly locust
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Oof I tagged wrong person :’(

steel vault
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Is 7 need Turret improvement I think

quick lichen
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That’s called balance lol

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You can hide the lower plate

unique scaffold
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This is really hard for a lot of players. @quick lichen. I think we both know that.

lunar niche
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Who is asking for IS 4 buff? What even

quick lichen
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^^^

unique scaffold
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@steel vault IS-7 turret is already hard 2 pen

quick lichen
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That’s like saying the mod 1 needs 200 more hp

steel vault
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Aloso need 100hp

sly locust
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👀
👅 @iRaikkonen [SCAMO]

dapper osprey
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Buff E 50 M gun depression to 12 degree (joke)

quick lichen
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The is7 has been completely power crept by the 113 and is4

unique scaffold
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I think that the Maus needs armor buff ))) and 183’s gun sucks

quick lichen
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There is no point in using an is7

steel vault
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No is7s Turret can be pen with ap shell

sly locust
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😢 i was grinding IS7

lunar niche
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I will be ok with IS 7/4 buff if they gave me Maus buff from pc lol

dapper osprey
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E4 is a very good tank when you use it right

quick lichen
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In the side or rear of the turret only

unique scaffold
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@steel vault top of the turret maybe, but not front

quick lichen
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Head on even the best players can’t pen an is7 turret with ap

viscid granite
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@steel vault no it cant because is 7 whole front side is desinged to be faced against enemy

quick lichen
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I’m not sure where you are getting your information from

lunar niche
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Facing head on, even the LFP of IS 7 trolls my 299 AP from Jagero

quick lichen
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Only thing that has a chance is premium shells and probably calibrated shells

steel vault
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I already pen is7s Turret with my is4 severely

viscid granite
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@quick lichen me?

quick lichen
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374 heat pen

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You’re using heat

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Or not looking at the front

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I will make a training room if you’re so inclined

steel vault
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No ap shell @quick lichen

quick lichen
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False

lunar niche
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@steel vault Tier 8 can pen Maus head on, where is my Maus buff lol

quick lichen
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Is-4 with calibrated still isn’t getting ap shells to pen an is7 head on

steel vault
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And from front really believe me

quick lichen
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I’ve played 1100 battles in pubs and a few hundred in tournaments in my is7. I don’t believe you because it’s never happened to me

unique scaffold
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@lunar niche Maybe turret cheeks buff, but Maus is meant to have several weakpoints like KV-5, it would be broken if it was too hard to pen

steel vault
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Nt calibrated I'll give u replay later

unique scaffold
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Upgrade Centurion mk 7/1

quick lichen
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Cent 7 is good as us

lunar niche
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@unique scaffold LFP is there, even the bottom side hull armour is like 80 mm

quick lichen
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Load hesh and flank

steel vault
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And maus fv183 and obj268 r too much op

unique scaffold
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Yeah I love it too but so slow

quick lichen
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Well. I guess since pramo pays for rng that makes sense @toxic tapir

unique scaffold
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Maus has underpowered pen

visual nimbus
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268 isn’t over powered

regal root
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@steel vault Maus is too slow too, I wonder why you say it's op

unique scaffold
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@lunar niche No way that they buff LFP, it would be broken I think

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183is over powered, no 268

steel vault
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@regal rootobj has380 pen

lunar niche
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@unique scaffold Not talking about buffing LFP lol. I was saying LFP is a weakspot along with the 80 mm armour behind tracks and the hull slants while angled.

regal root
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@steel vault I don't think it's hard to kill 268, except that it's kinda quick and in good hands it's troublesome

unique scaffold
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@lunar niche ok it’s too weak

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M41 90 is the best T10 light change my mind

steel vault
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@regal rootit can pen anything else on its road

lunar niche
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@unique scaffold the base pen in tier x has gone up to 260. With CS that can go to 270+. Whats 240 turret cheeks gonna do?

unique scaffold
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@unique scaffold what about the autobaguetter?
@lunar niche Yes I said that cheeks need buff at least to 260 mm like on pc

steel vault
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@lunar nicheright

lunar niche
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@unique scaffold Turret cheeks to 260 or just buff the gun handling. Takes forever to aim, which exposes weakspot. 246 pen can be worked around but the gun handling is not good for such stable platform.

unique scaffold
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@lunar niche idk much about it, I got the Maus but don’t play much bcz I really suck at Tier 10

steel vault
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Is 4 needs 63 to 65 fire power and is 7 also needs 62 to 64

visual nimbus
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Maus is good. It’s really supposed to be the riot shield of the team. make everyone shoot at you while you’re team does the job.

regal root
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@lunar niche better than E100 aim, coz enemies just wait for us to shoot as we aim gun at them

unique scaffold
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@steel vault they’re already fine

lunar niche
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@unique scaffold Its good if you know how to angle. You can bully IS7/4 1 vs 1 but the autoloaders will run circle around you. And yeah, 80 mm armour gets tracked and dmged at ridiculous angle.

potent patio
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@visual nimbus most of the time, teams dont do anything, 😂😂

regal root
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Coz cheeks too wide and easy pen

visual nimbus
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Well that’s true in regular battles I guess. But Maus makes a good tourney tank

lunar niche
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@regal root That too, but the aim time is not much different between them.

potent patio
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@visual nimbus true

viscid granite
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There is only one thing that needs buff

Our noob teams

lunar niche
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@visual nimbus I saw lots of IS 4 this time around. Give it a few months and another superheavy or russian heavy will replace Maus in tourneys.

visual nimbus
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I mean It’s possible, but it hasn’t happened yet.

viscid granite
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My first ammo rack ever

steel vault
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@viscid granitehahaha alot of noob team in wotb

lunar niche
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This was one of my best Maus game. It was on mines with mostly meds on the red team. Have to say there were noobs on the red team, otherwise they would have rushed.

willow junco
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hi

visual nimbus
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Nice

willow junco
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finally my mute is over

chrome salmon
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Any is4 nerfs soon?

tawdry knoll
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Why would you nerf is4?

sleek grove
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Hmmm... there is a special place in hell for guys like u...

sullen mango
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@viscid granite no disrespect intended mate but it’s a bit unfair to just say “our noob team” blaming them. The E75 is a monster at tier 9, put it on the front line absorbing for the team and it will help a lot.

chrome salmon
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Maybe cuz its the most op tier X atm

quick lichen
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Exactly @chrome salmon

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Someone gets it

tawdry knoll
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@sullen mango agree

quick lichen
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Buffed the upper plate and the turret. Not the is4 is broken when hull down

sleek grove
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@chrome salmon not op...at least bc 80% of is4/is7 players are just noobs

quick lichen
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Needed to pick turret or upper plate. Not both

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@sleek grove if it’s not op, why is it spammed in tier x tournaments?

chrome salmon
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The way it can go hulldown almost anywhere with unpenable turret and troll small lfp

sleek grove
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@quick lichen i can say is as good as well driven e5

quick lichen
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Not even close

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Gold pens the e5 cheeks

viscid granite
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@sullen mango the fact is light tanks act like they are tank destroyers

quick lichen
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And the hatch is penable

tawdry knoll
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@chrome salmon the same thing is with the is7 turret

sleek grove
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Is7 turret just weak on gold

quick lichen
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@viscid granite that’s irrelevant to you not knowing how to play the e75

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Is7 turret isn’t weak

tawdry knoll
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@quick lichen it is the same with the is4

viscid granite
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@quick lichen why you think i dont know how to play e75

quick lichen
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Is4 got over buffed. Plain and simple

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Because you’ve complained about the e75 for the past hour despite everyone else saying it’s amazing

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That’s a start

proven helm
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What about the su-122-54 lol

tawdry knoll
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Its sick now

sleek grove
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I think tiger 2 is amazing as well....change my mind

chrome salmon
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Yea agreed, is4s turret is just straight up unpenable

quick lichen
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Is7 upper plate is weaker than the is4 and takes more skill to use anyways

viscid granite
quick lichen
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Pikes are way harder to use

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One game isn’t proof of anything

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Show me your averages

tawdry knoll
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3k is nothing speacial in tier 9/10 games

chrome salmon
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Is7 cant go hulldown most of time cuz of gun d

humble pecan
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U.S. medium line should have a Tier X - M60A1. Then it would be comparable to the Soviet medium line Tier X - T62.

quick lichen
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Should doesn’t really apply to wot

unique scaffold
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@humble pecan M60 is a premium already

quick lichen
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It’s not a historical simulator

sleek grove
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And m48 does it's job tbf

quick lichen
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And the m48 has been the top tier us med since wot came out

sullen mango
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@viscid granite nobody is saying you don’t know how to play it but you need to remember everyone stats are public so it takes two seconds to quickly look and see how anyone is doing in any tank. As a personal quick recommendation I would say your playing it way to passively.

tawdry knoll
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Im triggerd when someone says "bigger maps and more players"

sleek grove
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Actually I'm amazed that m48 is such good tank....despite his size

quick lichen
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It sounds fun to me

sullen mango
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@sleek grove m48 Patton is a beautiful tank to play 😍

sleek grove
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Manage to do equal dmg and assist dmg... which is good for me

quick lichen
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Blitz is so small. Think about himmelsdorf. It’s go left or go right and that’s it

chrome salmon
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Stb>

tawdry knoll
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I lile the hole american med line

unique scaffold
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@sullen mango but T-62A is a blyatiful tank to play

quick lichen
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Stb is better but harder to use

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Not as forgiving

sullen mango
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Lol tankist

sleek grove
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@sullen mango ik...but still stb is my bae

chrome salmon
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Everyone says to me that stb sucks, but i love it, almost at 3k avg

sullen mango
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I would prefer a patton every day, I adore it

quick lichen
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@unique scaffold noted

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Just too passive and not winning on trades

regal root
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I got only Leo 1, hence I love it anyway 😐 😐

unique scaffold
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Gotcha

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@chrome salmon STB-1 is a Leo-1 with less speed but a bit more armor and low profile, why ppl says that it’s bad?

tawdry knoll
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@quick lichen what do you think about is5?

sleek grove
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I usually have a 2k dmg in meds....just cause I like to help my team as a scout ...and assist dmg comes in help...aced stb with 2.3k dmg

quick lichen
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Is5 is the best tier 8 heavy

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It’s that simple

chrome salmon
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The most boring one

quick lichen
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That too

regal root
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@quick lichen is3d

quick lichen
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Is3 d is number 2

dapper osprey
unique scaffold
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IS-5 is an IS-8 downgraded to tier 8

quick lichen
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Nooooooo

sleek grove
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Idk...why....but I can't ace is5....fml

chrome salmon
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Lowe is 3rd?

quick lichen
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M6 gets nuked by anything when it turns

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T34 is my 3rd

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Lowe 4th

regal root
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I prefer is3d anyday

unique scaffold
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I despise the IS-5 with a passion. I try it once a month or so, miss some shots, inevitably end up going up against a red E-75, die, and then say I'm not playing this stupid thing again. Rinse and repeat one month later.

quick lichen
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T49 isu And borsig love the m6

dapper osprey
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Am I good? @quick lichen

strong condor
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Pre nerf wz-110 was best

sullen mango
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^^^ that

tawdry knoll
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T49 for the memes

quick lichen
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It’s not particularly mobile

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T49 can flank and take over half of your hp easily

regal root
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I didn't buy is5

quick lichen
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That’s not a good thing

chrome salmon
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T49,borsig,ru my favorite tier 8s tbh

unique scaffold
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I wish I didn't buy the IS-5

sleek grove
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T49 is a waste of teammate when facing iss

quick lichen
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M6 is a school yard bully and nothing more

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No

dapper osprey
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M6 is bad, I beat a guy from _STR8 in a 1v1 when he used it and I was using CDC (cdc is op tho)

quick lichen
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M6 is just average

chrome salmon
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M6 is only good against bots that cant shoot the side

regal root
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M6 is if you keep enemies to front

sleek grove
#

Rhm is bae tbh...better than grille

quick lichen
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Poke a ridge at an angle and your sides get penned

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Other wise enjoy heat spam

unique scaffold
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CDC only OP in mad games
But its enormous size balances it

willow junco
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#buff Fv4202

dapper osprey
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M6 is just a taller t28 proto

quick lichen
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False

regal root
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@sleek grove grille has best gun handling in whole line

quick lichen
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Defender by far has the best wr

sleek grove
#

Ik...butt it feels more satisfying to he someone on t8 than on t10

quick lichen
#

So is the m6

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Defender is a far better tank

regal root
#

Oh, haha, I see that option

tawdry knoll
#

Defender is op

quick lichen
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It’s accurate for me

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Also the m6 has only a third of the games played

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Not to mention far fewer people own it

regal root
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Defender is good and so it's gun, I don't find any problem

tawdry knoll
#

Defender front is very weird to shoot at and that saves it

willow junco
#

T34 or Superpershing ?

quick lichen
#

T34 easily

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Not a debate

sleek grove
#

T34 all day

visual nimbus
#

I prefer the Super Pershing

sullen mango
#

T34!

quick lichen
#

600 less battles and everyone owns the defender

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It’s not an argument

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Furthermore. If the m6 was better. Why isn’t tier 8 tournaments m6 spam?

unique scaffold
#

T34 hands down... But I prefer the Super Pershing. It just looks so good and mine has a lady on the side.

chrome salmon
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I think wg needs to do something with the fv183, so there wont be so much ppl playing it, 2 per game is average fvs for me atm

quick lichen
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Why do is5 and is 3ds own tier 8 comp?

regal root
#

Wow, you guys have so many tanks
I got like only 70-74 played and researched included 😐 😐

lunar niche
#

I agree on pike nose being harder to use. I do better in Tiger II compared to IS 5.

sleek grove
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@regal root I got like 5 t10 and 2 future tier 10s

quick lichen
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I don’t think anyone in my clan uses that tank

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

visual nimbus
#

While the M6 is pretty good in my opinion. It’s too big and gets punished for small mistakes

steel vault
#

@quick lichenwhat tank you like most

sleek grove
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M6 is weak by the sides

viscid granite
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@quick lichen how much e75's lower plate has milimeters at 40° angle

regal root
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@sleek grove nice
My whole clan knows my t10 tanks coz I never grind other than those

unique scaffold
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Dear God not the E-75 again

chrome salmon
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Lol

quick lichen
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It was a grind event. Of course pramo has the tank

viscid granite
#

@unique scaffold why not if everyone says its amazing

steel vault
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@gleaming light??🤐🤐🤐

quick lichen
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@steel vault favorite tank is probably the T49

unique scaffold
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Because it's a dead horse topic?

flat bane
#

Wh

quick lichen
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40* is way too much angling for an e75

sleek grove
#

My most tank ever played is grille with over 1200 battles

proven helm
#

Kv1s

quick lichen
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Kv1s is sooooo good

willow junco
#

mine is T-3485 Victory

unique scaffold
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T49 is a blast. Bulldog is also a hoot.

visual nimbus
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200 games from 2k games in Super Pershing

quick lichen
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Ill take my t49 if you take your bulldog @unique scaffold

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Poke me

unique scaffold
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Ha! I don't think thats a fair fight. @quick lichen

quick lichen
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Welcome to blitz lol

chrome salmon
#

T49 is fun af, especially if you know how to play

proven helm
#

Would kv1s be considered sealclubbing? @quick lichen

sleek grove
#

T49 feels weak.. ..tbh

quick lichen
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Um. No? But it’s not far from it

visual nimbus
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T49 is one of my favorites but it’s not reliable in the long run

quick lichen
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T49 isn’t weak

unique scaffold
#

Bulldog is very underrated

quick lichen
#

Run Cali shells

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You hit is tanks for 300 without aiming

flat bane
#

Is7 is good

tawdry knoll
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T49 with 90mm is also pretty good

jade cargoBOT
#

dynoSuccess Captain2xJ#6548 was muted

chrome salmon
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@quick lichen worst tier 9 tank?

sleek grove
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Idk....i don't own myself a t49....but in my t8 encounters....it struggles to fight me

hushed abyss
#

T49 is almost fully the best tank.

flat bane
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If a t49 ia trying to cod you just shoot its track

regal grove
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T49 was best tier 8

unique scaffold
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T49 has to play smart... Needless to say that doesn't make it a strong tank for many players.

quick lichen
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@chrome salmon tough one. I didn’t like the tortoise. Kpz is quite troll to use. I didn’t like the type 61

dapper osprey
visual nimbus
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It’s a high risk high reward tank

quick lichen
#

Probably the tortoise

flat bane
#

Felt good ammo clapping people each round

regal grove
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Had 11 T49 ammo racks in a row before someone else racked me, now it’s more situated in brains

deft fractal
#

Plese help my SD si Crash

chrome salmon
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Type 61 was the worst one i played so far, but i didnt play the tort

sleek grove
#

I played only mad games this weeks and no change to my wr and avg dmg....yet I had best games....

visual nimbus
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Tortoise is pretty bad

dapper osprey
#

Buff T30 give it the 750 alpha gun from PC

quick lichen
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@dapper osprey that would break blitz

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What even

lunar niche
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There is no reason to play Tortoise when you can play Jagdtiger or SU-122-54.

sleek grove
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@chrome salmon how dare u say that....type 61 is godly....the gun is just perfect the armour tho.....

dapper osprey
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5.5 has already ruined it so why not @quick lichen

quick lichen
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I think that the 183 grind should be as painful as possible. Change my mind

unique scaffold
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I can't.

willow junco
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isnt it already ?

quick lichen
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5.5 is an enhancement to blitz

visual nimbus
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I agree

chrome salmon
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Pta and cent has better gun

lunar niche
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@dapper osprey sure if we get 1750 alpha 183.

flat bane
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Remove 183 from the game, but put the 183 gun on jg instead 👌

quick lichen
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No. Both of you go play pc and leave blit alone

proven helm
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I am ok with 183 but remove the best

dapper osprey
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All I play on Pc is my T67 so no

quick lichen
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Tds are already the meta and you want to buff them??

sleek grove
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@willow junco I hope u get ammo racked every game for that reaction

quick lichen
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@gleaming light I’ve said that for a year

chrome salmon
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@quick lichen i appreciate less arogant sealclubbers

quick lichen
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As do I

flat bane
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Bruh what's going on

unique scaffold
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High alpha TD's are the Crocs of blitz.... Sure they are comfortable but at their core they are designed for people who can't tie their shoes.

willow junco
#

i ammor rack u with my 183

visual nimbus
#

Interesting point

quick lichen
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@unique scaffold 🔥

lunar niche
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@quick lichen If they remove 183 though, lots of players will be angry. Even if the players get to keep it after getting replaced, it won't help tier X.

flat bane
#

263 one of my fav tanks

proven helm
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Keep it but remove its hesh

chrome salmon
#

Avg iq of 183 ppl i meet is prop around 50 lol

quick lichen
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Idc because the 183 makes more players angry by existing in the first place

dapper osprey
#

T30 makes people rage

quick lichen
#

People rage at everything who are you kidding?

willow junco
#

I love to trigger people with 930alpha dmg

lunar niche
#

If they nerf the camo and traverse, it will be manageble. The 3.8 equipment changes made it a lot better.

deft fractal
#

Ste tu někdo Čech?

proven helm
#

Amen my dude @quick lichen

quick lichen
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I got shot in the turret with a jg e100 heat round in my pta and it bounced. I got screamed at for 30 minutes

unique scaffold
#

I had a 183 rage at me for shooting him with HESH from my FV4202🤣

chrome salmon
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Nerf camo by a lot and its good

quick lichen
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Come on now

dapper osprey
#

Nerf pramo?

proven helm
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NO

unique scaffold
#

Ive bounced so many fvs in my e50m and its funny when they say "cheater" or "hacker"

lunar niche
#

@gleaming light Meds won't even push aginst another meds lol.

willow junco
#

well someone needs to stop rushing meds tho

quick lichen
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@gleaming light the tank is balanced for tier x. The tank isn’t balanced for BLITZ. And that’s the problem

unique scaffold
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Set a limit of 2 TD's per team. That'll clear out a lot of the TD spam in higher tiers. Make em wait in que or play different tank.

quick lichen
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That’s the best way I can describe it

chrome salmon
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You cant really push a one way flank with 183 sitting in a bush and thats a problem

dapper osprey
#

Buff batchat to have 4 round clips

quick lichen
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@chrome salmon plus you have to ask, which bush is he in

visual nimbus
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Bat chat is perfect

quick lichen
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@dapper osprey can’t

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Do you know why the bat has 3 shells at 310 alpha?

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I can explain

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But I need you guys to stop typing for me

chrome salmon
#

Yes that also

quick lichen
#

Deal?

visual nimbus
#

👌

lunar niche
#

Camo is too good for a tank the size of Jageroo.

willow junco
#

#buff 183's aiming time

chrome salmon
#

#no

dapper osprey
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Shut up

unique scaffold
#

Everything on blitz is less, because there are less players on each side

willow junco
#

and shell velocity

quick lichen
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Bat chat = 183
Bat 310+310+310=930
183 ap = 930
Bat 3 sec + 3 sec + 14 sec clip = 20
183 without rammer = 20
The bat is actually balanced off of the 183. The is is directly off of the balancing people from wg. I talked to them about it in person at twister last year

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The problem is that the bat will bounce a shot and the 183 will pen hesh

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So therefor you get 620 vs 1300

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There’s the lack of balance

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Ask away

#

I’m not making this up

dapper osprey
#

Give it hep

quick lichen
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My idea was for the tvp to get 3 shots with 2 second delay and 16 second clip. Still adds to 930 in 20 seconds

lunar niche
#

@dapper osprey Yeah, why doesn't Leopard 1 have HEP like Ru 251?

visual nimbus
#

Interesting

quick lichen
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I thought the same

ancient geyser
#

@quick lichen let him cry , fv183 is an excuse for many people for their difficulties and results in high tier

dapper osprey
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@lunar niche because ru is bad and hep balances it

chrome salmon
#

Ru is bad? Lol

unique scaffold
#

What if the helsing and FV215b 183 Had a baby, lmfao

quick lichen
#

Here’s the other problem. The bat has to be exposed for at least 6 seconds and find its own shots. Meanwhile the 183 camps and just pokes when it needs to

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It’s why the 183 isn’t balanced for blitz

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It doesn’t work here

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It doesn’t have to work for its damages

summer notch
#

183 nukes all and spares none

visual nimbus
#

Agreed.

quick lichen
#

Every other tank does

unique scaffold
#

Replace it with the Badger, like idek

sleek grove
#

It can be he penned by high calibers

willow junco
#

Badger , give it to me

ancient geyser
#

Just whining 😃

quick lichen
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Even the jg e100 doesn’t have a turret so it has to be smarter

summer notch
#

The 183 should just get a Camo and Armor nerf

quick lichen
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Jg e100 has to angle and find its own shots without the turret

unique scaffold
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Yeah, it works better in the tech tree too, you would have less lights getting fůcked at the begining of the game

dapper osprey
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@quick lichen what if they put in the Foch 115B

sleek grove
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Oh ..yeah...badger.....just an armoured tortoise

lunar niche
#

@quick lichen Why Batchat over a Leopard 1?Autoloading aside, is it because of light tank camo and a bit more mobility?

indigo knot
#

Or replace it with Fv4002...he magnet

quick lichen
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183 already got an armor nerf. No difference

ancient geyser
#

If WG delete the 183 whiners will focus another tank nd so on

willow junco
#

JgpzE100 needs alpha dmg buff

quick lichen
#

Bat chat because of camo

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And size

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No

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Jg doesn’t need an alpha buff

dapper osprey
#

Give Foch autoloader

spring pelican
#

Chieftain 95 needs to get removed gun port

lunar niche
#

What Jg needs is an RNG buff for the gun. Too many 600 rolls.

visual nimbus
#

I don’t think the Jg needs any buff

quick lichen
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@dapper osprey can you voice chat

sleek grove
#

@willow junco legit...u got ideas that trigger us

quick lichen
#

I’ll explain why the foch doesn’t have an auto loader

willow junco
#

jg really need it , the gun never shoots 900 or 1000 , it usually shoots around of 680to750

ancient geyser
#

Be honest all : which tank have the best stats in tier 10 ? FV183 ? No

quick lichen
#

Too much typing

sullen vault
#

@ancient geyser well there will always be a tank inbalances,but deleting the 183 off will be an immense improvement

ashen marsh
#

Type 5 need to be in the game

quick lichen
#

No

#

Stop

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We can’t get Japanese heavies

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They don’t work with blitz

dapper osprey
#

@quick lichen in school, and I’m assuming it is the same for bat chat? It should get a 2 round autoloader 640 alpha 6 seconds between shells

sleek grove
#

I'm getting so trigger over ppl that want pc damage in blitz

proven helm
#

Can we get more mbts like the kpfpz70?

quick lichen
#

I’ll pm you

unique scaffold
#

@ancient geyser Imagine you get HE Hit wegen your playing AMX 50B

quick lichen
#

Nope

visual nimbus
#

Just because Jg is the weakest TD doesn’t mean it’s a bad tank

sullen vault
#

183 has the highest avg dmg by a huge margin compared to others,yet the lowest winrate.tell me how thats balanced

ancient geyser
#

I play tier 10 @lucello and I don’t whine

lunar niche
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@ancient geyser Maus had the best WR from what i remember. 183 hass the highest dmg with the lowest WR.

autumn night
#

Jg is fine i am satisfied with it

unique scaffold
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@sullen vault to many jgs yolo

willow junco
#

atleast jgpze100 needs little bit of Gun Arc

sleek grove
#

@lunar niche it has low wr cause of noobs that shoot and die

indigo knot
#

Atleast they may nerf the camo rating of 183 down to Jge100 ...that might balance it

autumn night
#

^^

lunar niche
#

@gleaming light i feel like the new German superheavies are a test for Jap heavies.

jovial kernel
#

nerf 183 camo buff grille camo should be what they do

proven helm
#

NO

sleek grove
#

@jovial kernelye

ancient geyser
#

Not only this tank have no armor and when this tank had shot , this tank is dead 23s reload

indigo knot
#

I feel 183 has excellent camo...that is main problem

willow junco
#

the fcking aiming time always resets everytime i move

sullen vault
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@ancient geyser just because u dont whine doesnt mean its balance,thats not how it works.

proven helm
#

hesh

unique scaffold
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@tepid otter since it existed

jovial kernel
#

yeah the 183 doesn't get spotted until it's already aimed, fired, done 1300 damage, and already moving back to cover

lunar niche
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@tepid otter 1300 avg with HESH/HE. Max is 1650 i think.

ancient geyser
#

@sullen vault when 183 will have bests stats than t110e4 we will talk about nerf 183

sullen vault
#

@ancient geyser it has highest avg dmg,i just stated that

unique scaffold
#

Fv 183 is pretty op

proven helm
#

The fact a 183 can almost one shot a grille it kinda problematic.

unique scaffold
#

The Fv183 should be replaced with the badger

jovial kernel
#

183 has broken stats that's just a fact I'm sorry. It puts itself at minimal risk and does massive damage. It's basically artillery in blitz.

ancient geyser
#

I just look all the stats , I could take each tank which is the best in a stats and ask for nerf

sullen vault
#

@ancient geyserwhat does that mean,raw stats?

visual nimbus
#

The E5 is so balanced it’s average favorite tier 10 personally

unique scaffold
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@unique scaffold no its fun (i dont play iT xd)

sleek grove
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I think auto loaders are balanced asf....in mad games my t57 heavy was godly when I whipped out 2/3 of the hp pool of a maus with the hammer perk max roll being 750

lunar niche
ancient geyser
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I like diversity with real strongnesses and weaknesses and fv183 have the both

sullen vault
#

If ur talking about raw stats, then im happy ur not a developer of this game.

proven helm
#

Question since preme are becoming "collectible" does that mean they can nerf them without having to compensate if people are unhappy with the purchase?

unique scaffold
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@unique scaffold its not for the lights that get shot like crazy, that fv is cancer. They wont shoot targets with low hp because they want damage done, which is cancer. So they will rather shoot a 2000 hp Heavy than a 31 hp batchat

autumn night
#

the main reason 183 is op in blitz unlike the wot PC the maps are smaller and view ranges are shorther, in wot tier 10 tanks have 400m view range form that distance fv cannot pull out accurate shots, so shooting unspotted is not an option for fv183s in wot PC, however in blitz it needs approx 200 meters to remain unspotted and that is close enough for that gun to work

lunar niche
#

That chart is outdated though

unique scaffold
#

Yes i get oneshotted in my batchat ap @unique scaffold

jovial kernel
#

The FV215b 183 is OP because it allows noobs to pretend they're good at the game since they can do stupid amounts of damage and a 2/1 damage ratio with little to no effort just by firing 3 shots

ancient geyser
#

Have you seen fv4202 => nerf it cause damages lol more than 183

sleek grove
#

@tepid otter t57 is just a better amx50b....fite me

unique scaffold
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@unique scaffold Then the Fv should be replaced with the Badger because the 183 Ruins games like crazy

sullen vault
#

@ancient geyser u clearly dont get balancing in this game.

unique scaffold
#

Yes its op and annoying af

jovial kernel
#

FV4202 has exactly one reason to play it which is HESH. The FV215b 183 doesn't need hesh to turn a game campy

visual nimbus
#

I do feel the E5 needs a small buff

unique scaffold
#

I think wg need to put more tier 10 light tanks in the game

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@unique scaffold Well you said that it shouldnt be replaced and now you find the 183 annoying. The FV Should not be in blitz. It doesnt fit in the tech tree in any way.

jovial kernel
#

the FV4005 at least fits the tree branch

unique scaffold
#

They need to delete the fv

lunar niche
#

@jovial kernel Not really, its turreted with no armour. Badger is the one.

autumn night
#

they should nerf its camo rating for a start and maybe ap penetration

unique scaffold
#

Its much different from the at tanks and it is a new matter in the game with more camping

jovial kernel
#

@lunar niche I mean on pc it fits the fact that the tree for it has turrets and no armor, with guns that increase in size

unique scaffold
#

@lunar niche Yeah but before the FV4005 is the conway, it properly leads up to tier X and isnt gonna be a pain in the ass to deal with. The fv183 after the tortoise is annoying because the fv 183 has little armor, and it makes zero sense

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@unique scaffold its just a stupid tank

jovial kernel
#

plus the conway has a 5.5 inch gun now that would transition from the 120mm gun to the 183mm gun as a middle step

sour kite
#

Plis nerf gravediger

unique scaffold
#

The 4005 has much better transitions than the FV183, its time for the 183 to go

quick lichen
#

War gaming has repeatedly said that the type 5 is not coming to blitz @gleaming light

unique scaffold
#

@quick lichen better not, its stupid tank

quick lichen
#

Exactly

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It doesn’t fit this game

#

@jovial kernel language

unique scaffold
#

@quick lichen are they going to put the swedisch tanks in the game?

quick lichen
#

@tepid otter change your name

unique scaffold
#

Why was my message deleted @quick lichen

quick lichen
#

You’ve got 2 minutes

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@unique scaffold inappropriate text

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@tepid otter you know why

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1 minute

unique scaffold
#

But literally the person before me said the same thing... smh @quick lichen

quick lichen
#

I deleted both

unique scaffold
#

''Balance,,

cunning vapor
#

Says 2 mins, waits 10 seconds says 1 minute

quick lichen
#

And I’m telling you to change it

#

It’s close enough to the real thing

#

Everyone knows what you are referring to

sleek grove
#

Hmmmm... I'm not offended by his name tbf

quick lichen
#

Doesn’t mean others aren’t

#

It’s been 2 minutes

visual nimbus
#

I suggest changing that name dude

unique scaffold
#

Just do it

jade cargoBOT
#

dynoSuccess KuklaxKlan#7841 was softbanned

sleek grove
#

Hmmmm

spring pelican
#

@quick lichen Gravedigger can get new second gun?

unique scaffold
#

@quick lichen you could have just changed his nickname yourself...

quick lichen
#

And he can change it back

atomic hound
#

Anyone think the vk45.02 A should get a buff? I drove it fairly recently, and while it was ok, it is just below average in almost every aspect of it's stats: low pen, mediocre if not poor armour, lackluster mobility, and huge size

quick lichen
#

You’re all allowed to change your own names on the server

sleek grove
#

softbanned

jovial kernel
#

the Type 5 is a no skill meme tank that means you can damage everything regardless of positioning, it's literally every single problem that people have with it in pc, then some more because arty doesn't exist

quick lichen
#

Even if we change it, you can change it back

unique scaffold
#

@quick lichen do u think swedisch tank Will come in the game

quick lichen
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Soft ban is for 2 weeks

unique scaffold
#

Well if he changes it back then you could ban for him resisting a warning @quick lichen

Edit: oh, only two, kk nvm

quick lichen
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@unique scaffold 2019

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I gave him a chance

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He declined

unique scaffold
#

Wow nice

quick lichen
#

I don’t like saying this but it’s in the rules that you can’t argue mod decisions

visual nimbus
#

He got what was coming to em

quick lichen
#

Please don’t make me do anything more

#

We are all here because we like playing the game

#

It doesn’t matter what tank or where you come from

cunning vapor
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How long is a hard ban?

quick lichen
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Treat people respectfully

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@cunning vapor permanent

spring pelican
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oof cant argue with mod, who made those rules

visual nimbus
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^

quick lichen
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I didn’t make them

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Ribble did

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Argue with him and see what happens ¯_(ツ)_/¯

spring pelican
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mods are here because of members, so no members=no mods?

cunning vapor
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Oof

quick lichen
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@spring pelican nope. We’ve been here since the beginning. Stop probing

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Also there’s 15k people here

atomic hound
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So, about the vk? Buff or not?

quick lichen
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How exactly are you going to get them to all leave?

spring pelican
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you didnt get what I was saying

quick lichen
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@atomic hound vk a is good as is

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It’s a support heavy

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And a medium killer

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Don’t front line with it

atomic hound
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@quick lichen I was driving it at 60%, but it often felt a little futile against some of the more overpowered tier 8s

quick lichen
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Just can’t engage is spam head on is all

atomic hound
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It isn't really quick enough to bully mediums either

unique scaffold
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Which vk?

jovial kernel
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4502A

spring pelican
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did you know that Wargaming has their airplane?

jovial kernel
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it could 100% use some small buffs tho

unique scaffold
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Wow

fathom gulch
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Dudes

spring pelican
unique scaffold
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Lol

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A maus can fit inside that

spring pelican
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buying crates=wg has airplane

unique scaffold
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Yes its treu
Donate now wg So they can have their own plane

sleek grove
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help wg built their own plane by buying those crates

fathom gulch
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There is a huge ping and packet loss in Eu server

spring pelican
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buy 10% crates and wg will get 100% plane

unique scaffold
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1 crate = 1 plane piece, how much plane do they get?

fathom gulch
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Do u experince this issue too?

sleek grove
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Maybe a 1cm square

spring pelican
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that looks like boeing 747, most popular plane

fathom gulch
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Eu Server on full alert !!! Ping and lag wave !!!⚠ ⚠

sleek grove
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Then don't play....simple

lunar niche
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So i was watching the stream and the guys said they want to make the tech tree more logical

jovial kernel
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laughs in american

lunar niche
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Super Conqueror, Badger, Obj 268 V4 in the future possibly

autumn night
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v4 da gud for game da

sleek grove
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Not the obj.....😶

jovial kernel
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Superconq maybe Badger hopefully V4 please no

topaz geyser
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Hamilton>raikkonen upss

spring pelican
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raikkonen=nah, Sumaher= yes

stoic ice
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sa

sleek grove
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Can wg actually remove the -r2k- clan and his bots....i mean cmon....

jovial kernel
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delete salty pramo players leave the nice ones :p

spring pelican
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It can, and lets delete toxic Pramo lol

stoic ice
sleek grove
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@jovial kernel just search -r2k-....

unique scaffold
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1 game, 4 fv 183... wish me succes

jovial kernel
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unlike R2K I meet pramo every third match and 9 times out of 10 they will get salty at your for literally just driving within 50m of them if you're on their team

sleek grove
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@jovial kernel dude... -r2k- has lower than 40 wr overall

jovial kernel
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lolwtf

sleek grove
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Look for urself...eu clan...cant search now cause busy

jovial kernel
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I'm on NA so idk

quick lichen
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Keep this on topic

trim quarry
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Wont the changes in 5.5 cause more inexperienced players too get into higher tiers

unique scaffold
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@trim quarry I think... they will come to tier 5 and face/play TDs without knowing how to play/play against it

viscid granite
mellow cape
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and kv-2 at tier 6

viscid granite
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@trim quarry more kills

mellow cape
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without any knowledge of derp guns, they will probably think "oh this tank has a small gun it should be easy to kill" and then get one-shotted by it

viscid granite
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Lol

mellow cape
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another reason to keep hetzer derp gun even though it is a nightmare for newbs

trim quarry
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@unique scaffold but even so if tier 6 tanks can be researched easier than they will move up easier creating headaches for us in the higher tiers

fathom spire
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honestly, low tier derps are a way to prepare the new players to higher tier matches

trim quarry
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but if you move up to fast then they wont be ready

mellow cape
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yes they will have to face 183s one day, unless they quit because they can't progress past tier 8

viscid granite
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When is 5.5 coming

trim quarry
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mid november

unique scaffold
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I think that special MM (beginners only face beginners) was a good and sufficient idea...no need to destroy low tiers :C

atomic hound
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Kv2 should come with a warning sign lol. So many people I've one shotted wondering wtf just happened. It was already most played tank, but after the change it will become part of the line to the is4...

burnt owl
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Yo la team

spring pelican
viscid granite
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Im going to get kv2 just to one shot newbs

trim quarry
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i already have it

fathom spire
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you could get a hetzer or a t-82, both are as good and easyer to get

atomic hound
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Been there, done that. Played 1300 games in it at 65%, but after a while it got repetitive

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Hetzer and t82 are worse, neither can one shot as well as kv, and neither have armour as all-round good as the kv2

jovial kernel
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KV-2 can't one shot it misses like every shot

trim quarry
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then you not masterd the kv-2

mellow cape
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kv-2 can't oneshot the tier 7 heavies either

viscid granite
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But can scare s h ii t out them

atomic hound
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Try the t82 or hetzer against dw2s and kv1s, you'll do worse.

unique scaffold
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KV-2 is a crutch tank for players who can't put down damage in a normal tank. It's the artillery of blitz. An RNG slot machine that negates skill.

trim quarry
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it can you just have too pick out carefully where you shoot them@mellow cape

jovial kernel
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it's also a fun tank tho

viscid granite
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Who wants arty back

mellow cape
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@trim quarry no it can't, max roll is 1200 and most t7 heavies have more HP than that

atomic hound
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@unique scaffold wrong, you need the skill to pick your shots carefully, since you take 22s to reload. You need the brains to keep yourself alive since 50% of the time you'll be in the middle of a long reload

unique scaffold
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@unique scaffold not totally wrong, usually when u see a KV-2 he’s camping in a TD position, choose 1 innocent light, one Shot it and get destroyed...

jovial kernel
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KV-2 can pen stock tiger cupola oof

mellow cape
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the problem is hitting that thing

atomic hound
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Won't hit said cupola in a million years though

trim quarry
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@mellow cape the heavies i agree with but the light and some medium tanks are still fare game, even if it cant one shot tier 7 heavies, loosing 1200 hp in one shot is F*** scary

odd girder
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Why they nerf old tanks and make *hit on playerbase from years 2014-16]

jovial kernel
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I actually have hit it stock tiger cupola is massive

mellow cape
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well I have sniped a ELC across the map on desert sands moving at full speed on a kv-2

trim quarry
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@odd girder because they want money they want more players to play so that they can make more money

unique scaffold
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Same argument gets used by artillery players on other platforms... "Hurr Durr It's hard because I have to think really hard before I shoot. Then I have to think super hard about who to shoot next after my 20 second reload."

viscid granite
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You lucky...

mellow cape
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you can even kill 2 tanks with one shot on kv-2, it has splash damage

unique scaffold
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Oof

trim quarry
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slash damage is rare but its very fun

viscid granite
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@viscid granite

atomic hound
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@unique scaffold in the kv2 you can't carry from the back, you need to front line it, unlike arty. You also can't take damage early on or you'll be useless if it comes down to you Vs multiple reds. @mellow cape yep, I did it once

odd girder
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@trim quarry Thank you... this game going to hell

visual nimbus
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Nah

mellow cape
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hey atleast we don't have artillery with 2000 alpha on AP shells

unique scaffold
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Balance the 183s Camo pls

viscid granite
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New camos

unique scaffold
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@atomic hound actually 2% of KV-2’s players know how 2 play it, what’s frustrating is when the unskilled enemy choose u and one shot u RNGfully then gets rekt

trim quarry
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@odd girder yep 5.5 is gonna cause some major problems for higher plyers and older players. that said, does historical accuracy mean nothing to these people?

viscid granite
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I have idea

War Thunder

mellow cape
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Batchat had a 17 round autoloader irl, what's your point?

atomic hound
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@unique scaffold while I get what you mean, if you expose yourself when you can see there is a kv2 on the enemy team, it is your own fault if you get one shotted, no matter how lucky they got.

unique scaffold
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@atomic hound What I hate is when they blind-shot me...

mellow cape
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@atomic hound say that to the ELC I sniped from across the map

odd girder
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@trim quarry This game started in good way... fast tank battles very similar to PC version, but now??? Blitz and classic PC version will be very very different

atomic hound
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Still the elc's fault. I've never once been one shotted in a tier 5 or 6 by a kv2 except whilst driving one, because in everything else there is no need to take the risk.

trim quarry
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i tell you its because all they want is money@odd girder

odd girder
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and 5.5 update will be just another weird step

mellow cape
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does that mean you should just camp in spawn because "theres a kv-2 on the enemy team?"

unique scaffold
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@atomic hound I sometimes got blind-shot in my Nashorn, so frustrating

plush umbra
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nah just play carefully and attack on reload

trim quarry
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@odd girder the wrong step

atomic hound
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@mellow cape absolutely not, but you can take up positions that kv2s can't hit you in.

mellow cape
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and to get to those positions, you have to expose yourself especially on open maps

plush umbra
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true

unique scaffold
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@atomic hound ofc u right just play carefully and you’ll not get OS
Frustrating when it OS u, but not OP

odd girder
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@trim quarry Just agree eith you man

atomic hound
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@unique scaffold the tank is lethal to people either not paying attention, or people unaware of what it can do, but against experienced players it often struggles because just hitting them becomes very difficult.

trim quarry
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@atomic hound thats why you play as much as you can to master it and only shoot when you are 80% sure it will hit

unique scaffold
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@atomic hound. We aren't talking about the same players. You're talking about the 20% who play it right. I'm talking about the 80% who don't. The 80% who have a 40% win-rate and the KV-2 as their most played tank. The ones who only move from spawn to the nearest red line or bush. The ones use use PC auto aim to one shot some poor guy from across the map and the type "Jajajajaja" over global. Those are the KV-2 players I'm talking about.

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@unique scaffold yeah so painful

severe valve
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Kv2 needs a nerf

mellow cape
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I think the best way to help new players would be to have more advanced tutorials like one about camo, angling your armor, autoloaders etc

atomic hound
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@unique scaffold they're fodder for us decent players, even easier to kill than other noobs because of that reload and accuracy. If you're 40% too and get OSed then I can understand the salt, but if you're 60%+ there is no reason to complain. Same deal with the 183.

severe valve
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There is no reason why a tier 6 tank should be one shorting same tier tanks

unique scaffold
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MM needs to be fixed also
I got into a tier 10 battle with my Churchill I >:T

trim quarry
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@unique scaffold does pc auto aim even work that well, i paly it on pc but i never use auto aim, its ridicules

unique scaffold
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KV-2 needs to have the Velocity of the hundred 52 mm gun substantially there. That way it has to be played Frontline and will be completely ineffective as a red line sniper.

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@severe valve there is no reason why a tier 6 tank should be one shooting tier 7 tanks >:T

lilac kettle
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True

topaz geyser
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Panther ll needs more armour

trim quarry
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@unique scaffold if its a light tank then there is no reason to complain but i do agree if it can one shot the IS then it might be a tiny problem

unique scaffold
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@trim quarry it can one shot the Chi-Ri >:V

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@trim quarry PC autoaim locks on to center mass and leads the target for the user. For most tanks this isn't that effective. For the KV-2 it is very effective.

jovial kernel
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I actually prefer mobile autoaim because it locks to hull weak spots if you aim for them

trim quarry
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@unique scaffold but that tanks is not crap but not good. @unique scaffold thanks for the advise i will try it but i doubt i will stick with it i like to be in control of my own tank

unique scaffold
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What will Happen to my pz 2 j? If they remove Premium ammo it gets useless

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That is why I think it needs a substantial velocity Nerf. Make it so that it can't be used effectively as a sniper. Players who play it correctly will barely notice a change to the velocity.

jovial kernel
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it keeps the prammo dude no worries, it's actually getting a buff since tier 3 TDs are getting delet

unique scaffold
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@trim quarry but it can also do with Comet, T-43, VK 30.02 D, T20...

atomic hound
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@unique scaffold pz2j isn't losing premium ammo, all tier 3s keep their premium ammo, but lose HE

unique scaffold
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No more HE spam in T1E6?!

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There is no more reason to play :C

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@atomic hound thanks :)

trim quarry
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@unique scaffold i am following what you are saying but could you explain more about how the velocity of a shot works pls
@unique scaffold that is what makes the KV-2 so famous is its power will you want to wait 20 sec for a weak ass shot, but those tanks can pierce the kv-2 armour with ease right?

junior tulip
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The Vk 30.01 D needs buff bad. Terrible armour, bad gun...

unique scaffold
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@junior tulip yes pure crap
@trim quarry it’s so frustrating...but not OP so I don’t ask for a nerf

slim aurora
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NERF WZ-120-1G FT.
240mm of penetration, medium tank manoeuvrability, strong armour

trim quarry
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@atomic hound them what about the su-76I it will be a pain without HE

atomic hound
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@trim quarry a slow shell velocity means it is very hard to hit moving targets without lead (which takes skill). The su76i was overpowered anyway, so I honestly wouldn't mind if the lack of HE hurt it, though I don't think it will.

jovial kernel
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laughs in BT-7 art keeping HE shells with un nerfed penetration

mellow cape
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nah the most op aspect of the chinese td is the camo

atomic hound
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Oh, one thing I've not seen mentioned yet is that it will be virtually impossible to destroy modules in low tier tanks because the vast majority are having their module damage reduced to 1 or 2

unique scaffold
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cries in derpless Panzer IV

plush umbra
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@atomic hound why tho

trim quarry
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@unique scaffold they cant nerf it because its too popular
@atomic hound so velocity is the speed of the shot.... ok i see what you mean i very rarly shoot from that far away, the closer you are to your target the better. i have the su76i, it wont hurt it to much but i use HE for light tanks because it scares them away its gonna be a pain dealing with them now

atomic hound
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@plush umbra best ask the Devs, but I suspect it is to stop noobs having their tanks become undrivable due to being shredded by autoloaders

plush umbra
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yeah that is true

unique scaffold
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@trim quarry yes they can bcz WG is OP

atomic hound
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@unique scaffold su76i has a very good traverse speed, light tanks shouldn't bother you

unique scaffold
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@atomic hound wat
Why u talking me about SU-76I

atomic hound
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Mistake, sorry

trim quarry
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@atomic hound i agree with that, the Leopard is a huge pain especially in low tiers but you have to learn how to counter them.

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@atomic hound light tanks bother me a lot and the su76i traverse speed ain't that fast

junior tulip
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Then play light tanks

trim quarry
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@unique scaffold they would get alot of hate if they remove the KV-2

atomic hound
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@trim quarry use the increased traverse module and stick near walls. If I can grind up through all the AT tanks with over 60% wr in all of them, you can drive something with tier for tier better armour, and way better mobility I should hope!

plush umbra
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At line makes me angry

unique scaffold
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@trim quarry they’re already removing most of lower tiers...

trim quarry
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@junior tulip believe me i tried but i just cant not enough armour

cedar mist
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Please do not use the term cancer in vain.
plush umbra
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Yeah mr donut, but watch yo languege

atomic hound
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@jovial kernel even the hull itself is dodgy on most of them.

jovial kernel
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yeah machine gun ports

junior tulip
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The Panzer 3/4 is good. Until you get the VK 30.01 D, which is actually trash. It needs a buff bad, either a faster gun, or better hull armor

plush umbra
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Why is this timer so long. @cedar mist Weren’t you gonna ask if they could move it to 20 seconds?

jovial kernel
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or give it the short 88

trim quarry
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@unique scaffold if they remove the KV-2 then i am deleting this game

cedar mist
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I did, but WG have said since these are the more important channels they won't be reducing it as they don't want it to get flooded.

unique scaffold
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@junior tulip VK 30.01 D, VK 30.02 D, Indien-Panzer and Leo PT A are all trash.
Better grind the SP 1 C

plush umbra
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Fair point

atomic hound
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@cedar mist of course there would be more important channels than game balance discussion ahaha

cedar mist
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The whole Chat with Devs section.

trim quarry
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@unique scaffold i agree they are but they are fodder for other tanks

floral quartz
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I have issues with most medium tanks at tier7 at penning the gravediggers from the side

jovial kernel
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VK 100.01 might potentially break tier 8 just a little bit

manic dawn
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Pls nerf IS-4

trim quarry
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why

unique scaffold
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@jovial kernel 128 mm gun on tier 8 heavy :v

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T-150 should have stayed in the tech tree. The KV-2 should have become a collectible tank at Tier 7. Kv-2 to KV-3 makes no sense. It should be KV-1 to T-150 to KV-3.

jovial kernel
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KV-2 should be a side tank like it always was
the KV-2 is a fun tank and keeping noobs from getting their hands on it would be bad for the game

manic dawn
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160mm hull armor (front) and it is stronger then 250mm?

unique scaffold
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Nah, make it a collectible and then sell it every 3 or 4 months. WG would make 💰💰💰

trim quarry
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@unique scaffold why? i really have no love for the T-150
@jovial kernel i think if noobs cant get their hands on the KV-2 it would be a good thing depending on if they are ally or enemy

atomic hound
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@unique scaffold I don't think wargaming have ever made a premium tank with huge alpha, and I hope they never will. It would obviously sell very well, but I think it would also ruin it's tier

plush umbra
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SU-100Y

unique scaffold
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Hell they might make so much 💰💰💰 that they'd be able to pay someone to fix the Fury tank model.

@trim quarrybecause the play style is similar. KV-1 to T-150 makes way more sense then KV-1 to KV-2.

atomic hound
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@plush umbra the one exception then. But there is a big difference between 530 and 960

plush umbra
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true

jovial kernel
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I actually rarely play my KV-2 tbh it isn't really useful unless you are a really lucky player. The T-150 is a very strong yet balanced tank I'd say but it's less fun than the KV-2. Then again if I like pulling the slot machine lever and one shotting people I might as well play the Tankenstein which got more one shots in a night than my KV-2 got in a month.

unique scaffold
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@atomic hound one could argue that the KV-2 already ruins it's tier. Might as well profit from it.

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@unique scaffold it dont destroy the tier, its a Well Balanced tank

trim quarry
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@manic dawn it depends on how you angle the armour
@atomic hound i agree
@unique scaffold i dont agree completely the t-150 cant even compete with its own tier the only place it is somewhat strong is in a tier 5 game where as the KV-1 dominates its own tier and abit of the higher tiers

unique scaffold
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@unique scaffold🤣

jovial kernel
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you wanna hear well balanced? WZ-120-1 FT

unique scaffold
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@unique scaffold If a kv2 Shoots u get 20 sek to destroy it

trim quarry
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yeah but if you srew up then you are screwed

jovial kernel
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also it does only 350 damage 90% of the time it hits

unique scaffold
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@unique scaffold not when it one shots you from across the map.

plush umbra
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wanna hear balanced. not wot blitz

trim quarry
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@jovial kernel the kv-2 or t-150?

dapper osprey
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@jovial kernel LMOA DONUT

jovial kernel
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I've never actually seen a KV-2 ever one shot someone from across the map unless both tanks were sitting still

unique scaffold
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Thats luck because it has a Very bad accuracy @unique scaffold

trim quarry
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@jovial kernel bro then you have to and buy it and play with it abit and you will see

jovial kernel
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I own one and don't play it lmao it sucks I'll drive my T-34-85 gulag wagon

unique scaffold
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@jovial kernel i bought the menacing camo because i Love my kv2

plush umbra
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me too

unique scaffold
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@unique scaffold. That's my point. It is a skill less tank that allows luck to negate skill. It is a RNG slot machine that rewards bad players.

jovial kernel
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either that or it screws them worse

unique scaffold
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@unique scaffold If u know how to use it, you hit most of your shots

plush umbra
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@jovial kernel i have oneshot a kuro moro mine in the side from full hp

trim quarry
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@jovial kernel bro play some platoon with a pro KV-2 player and it will show a whole other side of the kv-2
@unique scaffold i just wish the camo was a different colour

jovial kernel
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excusemewhat

plush umbra
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its very strong in the hand of a good player

unique scaffold
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And a crutch for poor players.

severe valve
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Even a 183 cant do that

jovial kernel
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my T-34-85 gulag wagon actually is more enjoyable to play because watching a KV-2 shell miss is hilariously agonizing

plush umbra
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oh look its dmg

trim quarry
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@jovial kernel well it depends on what you enjoy if you enjoy that tank then its up to you as long as your having fun

jovial kernel
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there are many crutch tanks that are worse for the game than the KV-2, the only difference is this one's tech tree

trim quarry
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What is wrong with its tech tree?

unique scaffold
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@jovial kernel jeah but its easy to kill

trim quarry
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only if its a noob player

jovial kernel
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KV-2 is an easy kill 90% of the time, and one of the few tanks with turrets that can actually be circled without being able to shoot back. Honestly if I have more than 500 HP in a non light tank I rush KV-2s

unique scaffold
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@jovial kernel you can circle any tank if u have a fast tank

trim quarry
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@jovial kernel how many times did that work out well😂
@unique scaffold that tactic is a PAIN

jovial kernel
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not without it shooting back unless it's tracked.

plush umbra
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nah i'll just ap you though

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500 hp won't help you then

unique scaffold
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@trim quarry u can easy avoid that If u bring your ass against a wall

trim quarry
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i will i try but it doesnt always work

unique scaffold
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@trim quarry why Not?

plush umbra
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sometimes there is no wall

unique scaffold
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@plush umbra then u are are bad player

trim quarry
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@unique scaffold because they stop right behind me when i go backwards and the sides are just as weak as the back

plush umbra
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or ppl are just too good. i aggree that it is a bad idea to sit in the open. but some players do

unique scaffold
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@plush umbra losing is how they learn

plush umbra
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that is true

trim quarry
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very ture

atomic hound
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@unique scaffold keep telling yourself that next time you play with a 40% player with 20k battles...

unique scaffold
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@atomic hound wtf 40%???!!!!

plush umbra
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no offence but personally i wouldn't call myself a bad player with 6.300 battles and 55% wr. just average

atomic hound
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@unique scaffold hahaha, happens all the time, don't act so surprised!

unique scaffold
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@plush umbra i got over 60% but i dont feel like im that good

atomic hound
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I've got 14k at 59.5%

plush umbra
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yeah. 40% is very common. i have had a few ppl below 30

trim quarry
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@atomic hound thats is whats gonna more after update 5.5

unique scaffold
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@atomic hound in low tier maybe
@plush umbra sry for u
@trim quarry i Hope so

atomic hound
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@plush umbra average is 48-49% , at 55% you're doing well dude
@unique scaffold take a look at your team next time you play tier ten.

trim quarry
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@unique scaffold why that would that would be bad if they are on your team

plush umbra
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thx. it is my only acc so a lot of losses in low tiers because i didn't know what i was doing but it does show my total capabillities

unique scaffold
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@atomic hound i can See there win rate by seeing how they Play 😂
@trim quarry not on my team

trim quarry
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yeah but remeber they will always find a way into your team

plush umbra
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yeah

visual nimbus
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Question: does anyone feel the T110E5 needs a small buff or does it feel right as it is? It’s my most played tier 10. I just feel it’s a little sub par compared to the other heavies like the IS-4 etc...

autumn night
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i personally dont, it feels like a decent&balanced heavy to me (over 1k battles)

sleek grove
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@visual nimbus a bit of turret armour

unique scaffold
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@visual nimbus turret is a bit too weak lol and DPM isnt best

visual nimbus
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Hmmmm Interesting.... I wonder what War Gaming thinks.

sleek grove
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Actually I'm kindda ok with the current dpm

unique scaffold
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T49 is great tank#

jade cargoBOT
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dynoSuccess Xoxy#1426 was muted

unique scaffold
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1700 games and nice HE

fierce kernel
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in close range E100 can pen upper plate of E5, needs buff

sleek grove
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Indeed needed

visual nimbus
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I could see where it needs a buff to it’s armor all around. mostly turret.

fierce kernel
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when E5 need buff, E100 too, cuz now 340mm pen HEAT can pen angled E100 turret, to bounce this shell you need hide 1 side of your turret

sleek grove
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Not really.....proper angled e100 can bounce jge100s heat

fierce kernel
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but need hide 1 side of turret, cuz max armor on both sides is 330, yes there can be more, but then other side have less effective armor

atomic hound
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T49 HE shouldn't be premium ammo, running this thing is very hard to even break even

spiral belfry
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Shoot more heat

unique scaffold
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@atomic hound I agree. @spiral belfry I think you meant "bounce" more HEAT.

spiral belfry
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not on side or back of german heavies

unique scaffold
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I've seen HEAT bounce in the most ridiculous of ways.

atomic hound
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@spiral belfry against IS spam all you have is HE unless you manage to get all the way behind... Which is risky.

unique scaffold
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If I've worked my way to a perfect shot in the T49 I'm not going to risk a BS bounce with HEAT. I'm using HE. I've learned that the hard way.

jovial kernel
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yes the T49 should just be a prammo-less gun with HE and HEAT as both standard

atomic hound
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I don't see why the t49 should have ridiculously expensive HE when for every other tank in the game it is cheaper than AP.

jovial kernel
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actually KV-2 HE is more expensive than AP. the HE on the T49 does cost too much tho

marsh timber
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It should be more expensive I'm tired of seeing nooobs drive it spamming heat and doing 0 dmg per game