#Tales of the Empire General Discussion

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lethal cove
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Discuss Tales of the Empire here!

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rough galleon
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SO FLIPPING EXCITED

lethal cove
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It’s gonna be awesome.
Definitely not lighthearted. But awesome.

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Also it took me a couple days to spot this, but the Governor of Calodan from The Mandalorian S2E5 will make an animated appearance.

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Thought that was cool.

proven merlin
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I used to like Barris but if they keep making her more evil then just not liking the Jedi direction I will be sad

lethal cove
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The internet seems to be divided 50-50 on whether Barriss should become truly evil, or find her way back to the light.

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So someone’s gonna be sad no matter what. 😅

inner dirge
copper cosmos
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Hopefully they name some of the owners of these

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proven merlin
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vocal pond
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Darth Vader never again. Only mechakin now.

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I love all the grey jedi stuff we've been getting after the herds of "you can't have your favorite fantasy fictional alignment" hate.

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And also I meant for me first post in here to be "let's be baddies!"

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inner dirge
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do you think Barriss will recognize him? maybe by his Force energy or something?

rough galleon
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Hard to say. But I'd bet that Vader will recognize her, and QUICK. It's up in the air what he'll do with that.

vocal pond
lethal cove
rough galleon
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Cause let's be frank. The instant Palpatine showed Vader the Inquisitors, he was furious. Vader may be in charge, and certain among them may command some respect from him, but there's no love lost between him and them.

inner dirge
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maybe he even tries to take Barriss as his Sith apprentice to undermine the other Inquisitors

gloomy barn
keen horizon
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I'm pretty geeked but I'm worried that Barris' story will be nearly identical to ||iskat's||. Although both characters appeared to ideologically want different things, their situations (and how they arrived to where they are now) are strikingly similar

lethal cove
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Therefore it is worth it to tell a similar “rise of an Inquisitor” story in animation, to reach a wider part of the fanbase.

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And while the character arcs of ||Barriss and Iskat|| may be similar in parts, they’re not identical.

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And we don’t know how it ends for Barriss.

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(Or if it will end at all)

keen horizon
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Good point! It may be the wrong channel for it, but one thing I deeply admired about ||iskat's|| story is that it adds additional layers to the complexities of the clone wars, cementing just how cornered the jedi were when their own ideals are challenged; and the extremes they're willing to go to fulfill expected duties. Sometimes I think the ramifications the clone wars had on "background characters" is lost, especially when watching TCW. Then again, my headcanon's that the TCW show is republic propaganda. There's just no way someone could justify the usage of child soldiers (padawans) in war. Seeing the psychologically ramifications from what she endured as a child soldier and seeing how her ideals were used to manipulate her (by both the jedi and now the sith) should be pretty interesting

slender hazel
# keen horizon Good point! It may be the wrong channel for it, but one thing I deeply admired a...

Children used in battlefield roles is a tradition as old as war. Aides, drummers, squires, messengers, etc. The British Navy would take boys on warships at 12 and promote them to midshipman by 15. That the Jedi are Generals and officers of a war at all is a indication of just how corrupted they became by the Clone Wars. Let’s not ignore that the Clones themselves were basically kids themselves in adult bodies due to accelerated aging.

lethal cove
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And even the B1 battle droids are childishly simple in how they express fear or joy.

inner dirge
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i mean the Jedi have always been a case of the blind leading the blind imo. you take a bunch of kids from their parents and then they're raised by a bunch of other people who were also raised without parents. it's generations of orphans. that's how you get Mace lolll

lethal cove
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Only 13 days until

vocal pond
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I laughed in bed.

lethal cove
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Only 12 hours until Tales of the Empire!

proven merlin
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Was thinking what I needed to watch during my bike tomorrow morning. Guess I know what now

azure geode
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Freaking amazing

lethal cove
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Barriss’ story was pure fire.

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proven merlin
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Anyone else notice the Holocron cavity in the wall in the first episode for barris? Just like Doks

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Plus the 2 brothers. I think the one Ahsoka kills in the first tales, other the one from her series?

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Now to the second of hers

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Can tell she isn't fully on board

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Also wish they had more unique sabers as their own instead of all the same still

proven merlin
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So glad her and Ahsoka connected back up

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More

rotund void
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I’ve held a grudge against Barriss for years…will have to process the episodes before I say more…

obsidian lily
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My global thoughts

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lethal cove
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Your last note…you thought the parents of the force sensitive baby were Ahsoka and Saw the characters?
Or just voiced by their VAs?

proven merlin
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Barris definitely better

lethal cove
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Barriss clearly went through a lot, and came out the other side basically like an independent monk or a Buddha.

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Trusting fully in the will of the force.

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I find that really interesting.

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Also that her path represents not giving into sunk cost fallacy.

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Which is a very good story to tell.

obsidian lily
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And dad in ep 6 was saw

lethal cove
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Yeah no worries about those

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The Mountain Clan of Dathomir is something they took out of Legends, and Ahsoka is not with it.

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And Saw’s too crazy for a family.😅

obsidian lily
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The dad had a similar design

rough galleon
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I loved Morgan's deteriorating mental state over the years. You can clearly see from the last episode why those people had utterly lost all hope by the time Din came to Corvus. Also, the broken distress signal? Morgan made a mistake by cutting it off. Bo-Katan almost definitely sent people to investigate and that's what leads to Ahsoka finding Morgan. Also was nice seeing Rukh in action again, as well as how far back Pellaeon and Thrawn go.
Barriss's story was soooo good. Also, whoever assigned her the prison cell with clear line of sight of the Jedi Temple? That was horrible, what a jerk. While I loved the first two episodes, especially the moments where you could tell that Barriss was definitely regretting life choices, the third part was so good. Barriss went on to be a healer like she was in Legends. And a total zen master, she was completely unafraid of Lyn. I like that they left it open enough that they can bring her back for another story later or say she passed before Lyn could get her help.

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lethal cove
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lethal cove
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Star Wars fans latch onto open-ended references like that the same way remoras latch onto sharks.

rough galleon
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Because Ahsoka jumped to mind first until I remembered the Jedi she saved.

lethal cove
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I mean “she” could also be Ventress for all we know.

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So we might as well interpret it as the person we most want Barriss to be referencing.

rough galleon
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Indeed. Or the most interesting option because, if it IS Ahsoka, then WHAT WAS THAT CONVERSATION LIKE

lethal cove
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Barriss: “I know. Are you still on the light?”
Ahsoka: “Yes. Are you back on the light?”
Barriss: “Yes.”
Ahsoka: “Cool.”

sterile fiber
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Older Barris hitssweatblob

vocal pond
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I just assumed Ahsoka.

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I do love when they give us the grey jedi they claim can't possibly exist.

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As for the first story, I shouted "Thrawn's baby!" I was surprised to see Rukh.

lethal cove
vital echo
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I enjoyed the 6 episodes that we got. I would have liked maybe 1 more mini arc more of the empire perspective

midnight thistle
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Barriss got off easy as far as Inquisitors go. I wonder if she was part of an attempt to win an Inquisitor’s loyalty without breaking them. And then she goes rogue so they start going all in with the torture and mutiliation Trilla and Masana went through.

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We don’t know everyone’s motivations, but Barris was already unhappy with the Jedi Order, and we think the Grand Inquisitor was one of the Temple Guards who helped Anakin bring her in, which may have been his catalyst moment. So maybe they tried to start with disillusioned Jedi.

We already saw in Bad Batch that Stormtroopers were voluntary and they believed that “genuine” loyalty would be better than the Clones who just knew nothing else. So perhaps they tried the same with the Inquisitors as well.

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Also, we’ve now seen 4 Inquisitors either go rogue or try to—Trilla, Reva, Barris, and Lyn. Which in my opinion makes sense.

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They know they’re functionally slaves

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atomic canyon
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I wish they would stop messing the timelines of the books. Like if books/comics/games are still their own parallel timeline that's fine (like the old EU) but stop saying they are all in the same timeline if you are going to ignore them.

atomic canyon
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Otherwise I enjoyed the series, there are some very good visuals.

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sand quail
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I tried to split up my week and only watch one episode a night. I started last night….im on episode 6

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inner dirge
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i can finally unmute this channel cause we watched it all last night xD

atomic canyon
atomic canyon
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Honestly they should have just used Eli, who is Thrawn's assistant at that point in time in the books/comics.
I suppose the are trying to establish Pellaeon more for TV watchers only for whatever role he is going to play in the upcoming tv series, but again if anything directly produced/created by Lucasfilm takes "canon precedence" over everything else that was the structure of the old EU, just say so instead of marketing them as one canon.

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It just makes Disney feel very disingenuous with the marketing.

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Anyways, to stop being a negative Nancy, I thought it was cool that they reintroduced lightside Dathomir clans, and I hope we can get more of Barriss

vocal pond
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We could just slap SWCU on it.

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Seems to work for Marvel.

atomic canyon
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I'm fine with that 😃, I just wish they would admit that is what they are doing.

barren parrot
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Well shiiiiiit. That was fun.

vocal pond
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Right?

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I loved it. Two great stories.

copper cosmos
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I wonder if that change also messes with the timeline of Eli (books spoilers) ||leaving for the Ascendancy||

rotund void
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I tried this out as a quick test - TVC Bariss head on TVC Reva’s body. Not accurate at all I know but not bad and it’s not like this figure will ever get made (still waiting on TOTJ Dooku, Qui Gonn, Yaddle and baby Ahsoka!). In the meantime I’m looking into getting the Black Series Fourth Sister/Lyn Rakish despite passing it up many, many, many times.

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inner dirge
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Lyn was so delulu o.o every time she started talking against the Jedi, i was like 😬

copper cosmos
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I wonder if now that they’ve given Bariss more story and an open ending to bring her back we’ll finally get her legacy saber

atomic canyon
copper cosmos
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Interesting, I imagine you’re right then about establishing Pallaeon, but still sad didn’t get to see Eli

rough galleon
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I still am not quite over the fact that the last episode made Barriss a healer like she was in Legends.

copper cosmos
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They used the opportunity with Morgan to bring the light side Dathomir clan back from Legends too

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I love it

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Gimme Tales of the Rebellion/New Republic with Rogue Squadron now pls

lethal cove
rotund void
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I’m feeling that “The Way Out” should be considered as peak Star Wars animation and storytelling! So many of its elements work on both microscopic and macroscopic levels…Just about every line of Barriss’ to Lyn, Lyn striking at the icy walls/her reflection both to carve a path out of the cave and on the macro level, out of the destructive choices she has made in life.

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Redemptions are nothing new to SW but I find Barriss’ particularly intriguing in that there are no helping hands whatsoever to bring her back to the light. Only her own self examination (“a darkness took over me”) and sorting through her issues to see that she had become a far far worse instrument of violence and death than what she accused the Order of and that the Inquisitor path was most definitely not in line with her core beliefs.

vocal pond
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She is added to my grey list, along with quite a few others.

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Grey is acknowledging and living with the Force as it is.

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Although she walks the line between grey and light by the end.

rotund void
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Are you familiar with Wayseeker Jedi from the High Republic books? Young Barriss would have been ideal for the Wayseekers as would Qui-Gonn. Most likely Galactic history would have been significantly altered if there were Wayseekers in the prequel era…QGJ would have been on his own and not needing to report to the Council and so he never meets Anakin.

hidden kayak
# vocal pond Grey is acknowledging and living with the Force as it is.

That's the definition George used to give for the light side, with the implication being that the Jedi were giving into the dark side by embracing their attachment to the political structure of the Republic and not intervening as the force guided them to. Really what Bariss did is find that she was right all along and the Jedi had strayed from the light, but that her way of handling it was wrong. At the end she's being what a Jedi should have been all along.

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Morgan Elsbeth's story kind of felt flat at first, but I get how it's an interesting contrast to Bariss' story. It wouldn't work on its own, and the whole series might have flowed better if it was presented as alternating steps in a journey to making amends contrasted with a journey of doubling down.

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hidden kayak
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Yeah, kind of. Ahsoka may not be quite as good at being different from the old Jedi as Bariss is though.

turbid wasp
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Dooku doubled down like Morgan did. He had so many opportunities to see what he was doing was wrong and he continued to double down. Bariss thankfully realized how illogical it was to try and gain respect and safety through destruction and pain.

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Yaddle gave Dooku a chance and he squandered it.

azure geode