Lol my bad
#td2-raid-discussions
royal patio
misty swan
Can someone please explain why captain fieser keeps healing?
Everytime we get him low he gets full armour
smoky tapir
its because you have to kill the "tank" behind him first using the crucible
misty swan
Thanks
long rivet
I'm kinda new but have nearly good tank and status build can i join?
just need advice for the build not to join a group ATM xD
normal mirage
for iron horse, if you are going to tank, try to aim for 91%+ burn resistance. Good for boss 2 + diagnostics on boss 3. Status build isn't used a lot at all except for maybe boss 3.
You should get a red dps build, good for many roles, for both raids.
@long rivet
flint iris
Red dps is the most basic one everyone should pretty much have
smoky tapir
As far as I know, burn resistance doesn't lower the "heat" damage you take in the control room (only the on fire and on fire burn damage). So without some outside source of healing of about 100k/sec, eventually you will die as the tank solo in there. Just solo heal it and have no worries
vagrant wing
He was talking about the role of reading the codes not staying in the control room i believe - for that role fire immunity is more then nice to have
smoky tapir
ya def for the code reader/water user
granted the code can be done without even going out of the room so really manily for the water user (which can be negated by just using a decoy too)
normal pier
doing a gingerbread manhunt on operation iron horse easy discovery mode if anyone wants in?
misty swan
doing a gingerbread manhunt on operation iron horse easy discovery mode if anyone wants in?
@normal pier do you kill bosses to? Or just the manhunt
flint iris
@normal pier use #lfg-raid-pc
normal pier
kill the bosses of course @misty swan
blissful glade
What is up with the Iron Horse Clan Banner and trophy? I haven't seen any update on the issue.
frozen vapor
Not sure if this is the proper channel for this question.... Do raid teams have a certain SHD level requirement ? Me and a clanmate are around SHD level 130.
flint iris
Most wont
Shd level won’t matter much
Builds and knowledge say much more about the player than shd lvl
frozen vapor
Ok thanks was just wondering the two of us went to check out the first raid and I don't think we can two man Boomer, took away a couple bars of his health but I think it requires more than one Tank and one DPS...
versed swallow
Shd level does carry important passive strength via the watch buffs Plus guys at low watch levels will not have their specialization research points completed so their accounts are less effective even if gear is largely similar. Anyone below 200 ish is going to mostly be a carry in the dps portions of either raid
viral patio
would their be anybody willing to show me the ropes of how to do the raids
flint iris
It really doesn’t make all that much of a different
But overall yeah
Chances are those players aren’t gonna know all that much about builds since they just started playing
somber fog
Hi Im looking for help with iron horse, im trying to get Regulus. PSN: Shellnanigans. Thank you for the Help @flint iris sorry for posting here im new
flint iris
@somber fog use #lfg-raid-console
unique kestrel
Can some of you help me do a raid I need some help with it
tender hollow
Sure
flint iris
Use the lfg channels
tender hollow
What’s your PSN
flint iris
He’s on pc if you don’t know
dapper gyro
The watch really doesn't matter that much. In one of our IH FTC runs we had someone with L23 or 30 or so and he did pretty well, in most cases even better than most L2K guys who think they know it all. And it also doesn't say much about their experience, they might have played it to death before WoNY and just returned or play on different platforms or had great mates with top build advice from the start + lucky drops and so on...
And well, shouldn't a decent enough team actually be able to carry a FTC even if he is totally underpowered 🤔
uneven garden
Anyone tested momento ? Feel like losing a lot dmg
restive herald
Fewer people doing raid it seems
normal mirage
far fewer. Fewer experienced players playing too, from what I experienced since TU11. Most of them are doing summit and other new activities.
viscid fossil
watch levels doesn't mean anything after 1000.
tender hollow
Has anyone done discovery IH? And what’s it like?
vagrant wing
Yes. What exactly do you want to know?
tender hollow
How easy is it and what mechanics are missing?
summer girder
its definitely harder than Dark hours discovery
vagrant wing
1st boss: basically the same
2nd boss: codes appears without blank spaces, codes needed to be shot at the right order, wipe mechanics still exist. heat stacks barely hurt you, only 1 rocket is needed for the turret, the doors doesn't required to be open for you (they open automatically) water pressure is much easier
3rd boss: boss doesn't come out until you release the lava, cogs doesn't need to be turn by counting (interact with the valve and the game will turn them for you), no need to hold the diagnostic button to solve the puzzle (once pressed you can let go and search for the yellow/blue boxes/valves), the letters can only be turn "down" (or minus), one rocket needed for the turrets, once you have the key you have 2 (!) minutes to interact with the stations
4th boss: all the mechanics are there. Morozova need to be staggered, need to destroy the shell on each phase. Only 1 rocket needed per turret, 3 for the shell, you can survive the electricity barrier by placing a healing hive outside
adds and bosses health pool are lower and you get less adds per room/phase. I hope that answer your question @tender hollow (i might have left couple things i can't remember)
about the difficulty of it - it depends, if you matchmake - it's harder the the normal mode, the lack of communication makes it really hard. If not - or if you have 2-4 players on comms it's pretty easy provided no one shoot Morozova
tender hollow
Lol. Doors opening automatically should’ve been there in normal raid
Time to bring my raid team through then
late scarab
Time to bring my raid team through then
@tender hollow out of curiosity, does your raid team have trouble with normal?
humble crescent
would their be anybody willing to show me the ropes of how to do the raids
@viral patio Youtube should be your friend on that regard.
tender hollow
Wanna see the difference between normal and discovery with the team
1st boss we can’t kill him without overcharge
2nd boss guy in control room dies if it’s not the main and codes
3rd and 4th boss is fine
agile lily
Hey everyone. My clan is finally able to consistanly clear 1st and 2nd boss, now onto the 3rd IH boss on normal difficulty. I was wondering what team comps people are finding success with. My theory crafting led me to believe a TP backpack tank, a FI chest healer, one burn resist dps for diagnostics, and 5 focus/vigi dps players should be able to take down the boss. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks.
normal mirage
The tank should be able to do diagnostics, I think having a tank and a burn resistance dps is a bit overkill
echo bobcat
Couple questions:
- Do raids require an immense amount of communication/voice chat, or can they be done without it?
- Does discovery difficulty make the raid easier?
- Do I need to spend hours building a specialized gear set/build for raids or can I go with the normal loadout I always run?
agile lily
@normal mirage i always assumed tank was for the console button and then burn resist dps can kill the snipers. But will keep inmind maybe we dont need both, thanks!
lapis ridge
Whats a good enough watch level to run IH on normal?
agile lily
@echo bobcat i cannot speak to IH as i havent finished it yet. but for DH i have 10+ clear so i feel confident enough to provide some answers.
- Comms are a must, just boomer alone to call out computers people need mics.
- Discovery removes alot of very important mechanics, thus it is much easier, but exotics are not obtainable and it is impossible to "practise" for normal as the mechanics are not in place. 3. DH can be completed with a full red rifle build, only certain sections will require a healer, tank or an emp jammer build.
lapis ridge
Is it possible to run IH on normal while being watch lvl 70?
echo bobcat
I see, thanks for the answers! Time to get a group together and do some research
agile lily
@lapis ridge theres nothing stopping you except builds
If you have the builds then ur watch is just free stats
lapis ridge
Gotcha. Just asking.
I stopped playing before warlords came out so, its been a while lol. Slowly trying to get back into it.
misty swan
Only chest and bp are exclusive
@flint iris yeah I have backpack but can I get chest on discovery or is it normal only
smoky tapir
normal only for chest/back
misty swan
Is it possible to run IH on normal while being watch lvl 70?
@lapis ridge I completed IH on normal and I’m SHD level 70
Granted I had a really good team helping me
normal only for chest/back
@smoky tapir thanks
lethal hazel
summit 91 lvl just want to finish it anyone ?
dapper gyro
@agile lily Hazpro tank for diagnostics, some also let the healer run diag, but we prefer the tank there and the healer on the ground with the troups.
Rest can be all dps. Though we prefer another tank for the consoles, diag one running tardi and the downstairs one running vanguard. Makes it easier for him and the team, he can shield folks while doing lava doors, can do the letters downstairs or protect the one doing them, and the two tanks can also make the boss fight a breeze one taking aggro and the other one helping with the backpack bouncing him forth and back between the tanks.
In addition we have 1 dps run demolisher firefly for heavies and boss backpack who is mainly on adds duty during boss fight.
Instead of tanks you can also use a status effect guy and just foam the boss so the team has it easier to melt him. But sometimes it's too much hit and miss and since we do ftc runs we like to use the safer strat for us.
wary moat
@echo bobcat i recommend learning 1 role at a time, and branch out
little steppe
Every time we kill Williams in the furnace, it immediately blows up after he dies. What are we doing wrong?
late scarab
He drops a key... pick it and go up to 3rd floor and find the right console to put it in. Then you need to have your teammates activate each computer on each color on the 1st floor. You have to do this all in like 20-30 seconds
little steppe
Thank you @late scarab !
wary moat
yeah the main boss there is the furnace
late river
Anyone down to do the Iron Horse raid?
And maybe get the ravenous?
I'm down, just ping me.
flint iris
#lfg-raid-pc buddy
gleaming shard
Just a pet-peeve of mine that I hear a lot regarding the last boss of the IH Raid. Shooting the "green lasers" does not do anything. It has been confirmed by one of the Massive Raid developers that their firing time and targeting follow a pattern and can't be disabled by shooting them. Even as I've pointed this out to people and shared the actual tweet from the developer (https://twitter.com/SuspiciousPixel/status/1293476041890181121), they still insist that "shooting them suppresses them". Frustrating to have people who continue to insist it does something and waste time shooting at them instead of adds. Just venting...
vagrant wing
Let them shoot, why do you care? 🙂
rough rapids
If you're with them it's a waste of time....
gleaming shard
Let them shoot, why do you care? 🙂
@vagrant wing
Well, normally I don't but there seems to lately be a rash of clans that have some 'raid script' that they use and won't deviate from - and apparently this particular clan member who was 'leading' the raid kept wiping on the last boss and was blaming it on his team members not "suppressing the lasers" for him while getting the chunga keys. Despite me nicely informing him about the developer comments and sending him the link, he continued to insist that "it definitely suppresses them to shoot them" and kept harping on the other players to 'suppress the lasers!" all the while adds are escaping all over the map since he insisted every one target the lasers. Fun stuff.
vagrant wing
Oh i see. Sorry for your experience although i'm sure you laughing at it now... unfortunately these kind of ppl exist everywhere (even us behave like this sometime - i know i am)
verbal mist
Been there done that .
exotic pawn
if im on the regulus parts quest step and i've already done normal difficulty this week, could i get the parts from discovery mode and then switch to normal after to get the last part from the key box?
gleaming shard
Fresh Iron Horse Raid, Raid-Voice-4. Newbies or those wanting to try/learn new roles/positions in the raid are welcome (I will teach/guide). Only stipulation is that you must have at least a solid DPS build.
tender hollow
@vagrant wing
Well, normally I don't but there seems to lately be a rash of clans that have some 'raid script' that they use and won't deviate from - and apparently this particular clan member who was 'leading' the raid kept wiping on the last boss and was blaming it on his team members not "suppressing the lasers" for him while getting the chunga keys. Despite me nicely informing him about the developer comments and sending him the link, he continued to insist that "it definitely suppresses them to shoot them" and kept harping on the other players to 'suppress the lasers!" all the while adds are escaping all over the map since he insisted every one target the lasers. Fun stuff.
@gleaming shard when I join a random group and there are 3-4+ clan members from the same clan, 50% chance it will going go extremely well and 50% chance its going to be a tragic mess.
viscid fossil
its the placebo effect since when they shoot them they turn off lol.
uncut crypt
i still shoot, cause why not xD
gleaming shard
i still shoot, cause why not xD
@uncut crypt
You should shoot at the chaingun in the middle too! If you shoot at it long enough, it will stop shooting as well! 🙂
uncut crypt
@uncut crypt
You should shoot at the chaingun in the middle too! If you shoot at it long enough, it will stop shooting as well! 🙂
@gleaming shard 1000 rounds in the BK, i.will.not.stop.FIRING!!!!!! NEED MORE DAKKA!!!!!
frozen wind
will iron horse bosses drop regulus project parts if I already looted all bosses, or do I have to wait for weekly reset
tender hollow
Lol on 2nd boss in control room why do people use a future initiative build? Their not healing others only themselves so why go for it
You can get 80% incoming repairs iirc if everything’s maxed out, 3 20% incoming repair mods and 1pc R&K
frozen wind
to use this build everywhere else as a healer if you are too lazy to switch parts lol
i think 3 piece would make sense
tender hollow
And on last boss you can go one healer on the right side.
2 up front on left side, 1 at the back taking care of RPG, 1 tank, 3 uptop right side and 1 at back doing RPG
normal mirage
because building 2 separate healing builds is kinda silly for most ppl. FI is good enough for solo and very useful for other parts of the raid because of the dmg buff. Why do you need incoming repairs? FI can solo heal with the doors shut forever.
tender hollow
if tank and healer both have ravenouses the RPG guy can die easily
uneven garden
“Shoot the green laser” is annoying. It’s on a timer and we tested it. Either way a key tank should never go down to green laser or anything in IH.
tender hollow
For a self healing build all you need is 2pc alps, 1pc R&K, 2pc murakami, btsu gloves. Repair skills in each mod slot and have repair skills and skill haste
tender hollow
You can get 80% incoming repairs iirc if everything’s maxed out, 3 20% incoming repair mods and 1pc R&K
@tender hollow because the 7 other people in the raid group will get 25% more damage if they each have full armor and everything including the boss will be killed faster. 7 x 25% = 175%. So its like almost 2 extra players in the raid group when everyone has full armor
late scarab
yes, the future initiative buff still works for the rest of the team
its the placebo effect since when they shoot them they turn off lol.
@viscid fossil there is placebo effect going on, but how you worded it, you're describing the post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy, more commonly known as correlation doesn't imply causation
I'd word placebo effect like... for the majority of enemies and mechanics, shooting at them makes it better... so shooting at this seems to make it better too
urban dove
What's a raid?
late scarab
A raid is a kind of mission that allows a higher player count and requires more communication and coordination than a typical mission or stronghold
urban dove
I aee
See
I'm playing the free trial rn on PS4 and I only have like 5 hours left and I'm sad because the game is too expensive for me to purchase
But tis so much fun
late scarab
Raids are the best part of the game, but it's considered "end game" content... it's what you're gathering gear to achieve
urban dove
My friend was talking about like scavenging gear and stuff
Like tarkov but mostly different
Just the looting aspect of tarkov, and that's what got me interested
I couldn't even afford the game when it was on sale yesterday for $13
Now it's $33
lucid vale
can anyone here explain to me or any link for me to read. how to open loot box inside raid ? once a week?
tender hollow
@tender hollow because the 7 other people in the raid group will get 25% more damage if they each have full armor and everything including the boss will be killed faster. 7 x 25% = 175%. So its like almost 2 extra players in the raid group when everyone has full armor
@tender hollow
My regular guy who goes into control room has an all yellow build. When we swap it around the others use future initiative and that’s no help if everyone’s running all red and not at full armor
Unless they farm and get a belstone piece like me that has all the stats needed
whole spoke
What's it matter though. What someone runs is their business unless it's actively hampering others.
tender hollow
What's it matter though. What someone runs is their business unless it's actively hampering others.
@whole spoke Exactly why would you want people in your raid group to do extra damage
weary niche
@whole spoke if you don't have proper DPS builds, that is actively hampering others, because others have to do more because of you
whole spoke
? Was reffering to someone running FI in control room up above
tender hollow
Lol dark hours boomer all you need is a ravenous and ad control becomes easier
And razorback
nimble mantle
molten steppe
What's it matter though. What someone runs is their business unless it's actively hampering others.
@whole spoke on raid you run like a team not SOLO seflish mode , the worst community in division franchise are solo/casuals players
whole spoke
I was talking about someone running a FI build for control room above? Read the context above.
proven junco
So not looking for a group right now but will be tomorrow/later are there any people in here who don’t mind running with people who haven’t done the raids? There’s 3 of us one being a healer other two main dps but can run tank or skill
restive herald
The raid channels are empty. Is everyone doing the summit?
viscid fossil
down time for most usually they be back in around 4 hours
kind scroll
I was wondering how hard it is to get an Eagle Bearer these days? I only picked up the game a few months ago after playing Div1 a ton, I'm sitting at 500 watch level with a pretty decent tank or healer build. Wondering if I'd be needing a carry if I could hold my own in a normal raid
cunning night
@kind scroll Entirely depends on the group you get. It’s all RNG based, but I think most people who run raids on the regular probably have it already so they might share it if it drops. However, for dark hours raid, a DPS build is what you want to run outside of 1 person running a jammer build for drones on Razorback.
kind scroll
@cunning night ty
long geode
How do I unlock raids? I have the Kenly College unlocked but idk how to play it
late scarab
Kenly College isn't a raid
get world tier5, or if you have the expansion, kill Keener.... and I think the raids will be available at that point
brave coral
How long does operation dark hours take usually?
autumn turret
well depending on the team usually 40-60 minutes
if its a really good team it can go under 40
possibly even under 30 minutes
brave coral
Ty
tender hollow
For a 9 sec LT gray isn’t it better if 1 guy wears the eclipse bp and apply’s status effects to him? 30% damage from Eclipse backpack, 15% amplified damage from overcharged pulse 15% amplified dmg from spotter and 25% dmg from vigilance and and 10% amplified from opportunistic
That’s 95% more dmg right there and 70% amplified dmg
weary niche
DPS usually run exclipe backback yeah
dusky bolt
Yes.
latent pulsar
late scarab
esclipse backpack is only from the person wearing it, not the whole team like overcharged pulse and opportunistic
BUT... yes, I usually am a survivalist for the 10% dmg for status effects to whole team
vagrant wing
@latent pulsar no. Although you have to meet this criteria:
GS 480 for non WoNY owners, if you bought WoNY you have to complete it first
I'd recommend to have a good DPS build put together for the very least and to watch a vid or 2 about the mechanics. Use the channel below to find a group and good luck
ocean spade
Do ironworks base materials only drop from your first kills every week?
vagrant wing
They also can be obtained by opening the key boxes in normal/discovery mode
vagrant wing
I can't remember. But you can still open the boxes on discovery
ocean spade
Even if you've opened them on normal?
vagrant wing
Yes
ocean spade
Awesome, thanks for the info
proven junco
Question regarding the raids can skill builds like mortar be used is it mainly dps?
Or is it mainly dps?
austere isle
Mainly DPS for raids
proven junco
Fair play thank you @austere isle
Best finish working on it then 🤣 have a rocking skill build but dps is just ok need netter rolls
Better
austere isle
The only real place for skill is boss 1 of IH if your team wants to use the oxidiser turret method but otherwise you want DPS
proven junco
No worries I’ll sort it out soon it’s ok the build is right the rolls are just not there yet on my dps.
night folio
Hope this is the right place for it; I'm really interested in getting into raids but the whole thing seems very daunting, especially since there will be other people relying on me 😅
Any tips on how I get best started with raiding?
tldr: i'm spooked of getting flamed
cunning night
@night folio I would start off by watching guides so you know the general process on what needs to be done and when. Make sure you at least have a fairly decent DPS build to start off with. Finally, I would say be honest with your experience with your teammates. I’d rather someone be upfront and tell me they don’t know the encounters that well then lie about knowing how everything works.
tender hollow
Hope this is the right place for it; I'm really interested in getting into raids but the whole thing seems very daunting, especially since there will be other people relying on me 😅
Any tips on how I get best started with raiding?
@night folio you can matchmake and do the discovery Dark Hours raid first. Note that there are major differences between the Discovery Dark Hours raid and the normal raid, so watch the youtubes also. People are generally recommending you should have a DPS build with ~50-60 CHC and ~150 CHD. If you have glass canon switch to anything else. For example Obliterate has almost the same damage but your not going to die every 1 minute.
ripe mist
What's the drop chance for FB / FI backpacks and chestplates in Iron Horse?
Also, once you've picked up a chestplate or backpack for those gear sets, can they show up in regular targeted loot, or are they always locked to the raid only?
zinc saffron
Chest and backpack only drop in fresh raid
dusky bolt
yes.
vagrant wing
You'll be able to craft it after completing the project
hot shuttle
Me and my two friend just lose our first raid where can i find people for raid
devout kite
@night folio there are a lot of nice people that are exp in raids and would not have a problem guiding new guys, but you need to listen to them
nobody was good from the start
we were all there
join a raid voice group, ask if they would like to play with new people to raids like you and if they would like to guide you
night folio
@cunning night @tender hollow @devout kite thanks to all of you for your answers! i looked up some guides on youtube and actually managed to join a hella nice raid group yesterday!
cunning night
That’s good to hear.
little steppe
Is there anything different about the key that Williams drops in the furnace? Still bring it to the top and use the consoles on the ground floor?
On discovery mode I mean
slate hawk
Yes same mechanic @little steppe you just have way more time to put it in on discovery versus normal raid
little steppe
@slate hawk really? Every time I kill Williams I have like 15 seconds before the furnace explodes
slate hawk
On discovery @little steppe ? That’s weird I have only done it once and it gave us like 2 minutes to put it in cuz on normal it’s only 20 seconds
versed swallow
If you don’t fix the pipes it’s 20s on discovery. If you fix them it’s 2 mins
little steppe
Do the pipes stay fixed? So, could we fix them on the turret stage and then do boss as normal?
dusky bolt
Yes.
agile lily
Hey everyone. How are you guys getting past the lava phase of boss 3 for IH? we run diagnostics no problem but by the time we shoot the locks and break the lava the furnace explodes. Do we need 3 people on the ground and 3 upstairs to turn all the locks at the same time? Or just set the locks and run more diagnostics until we get the pressure back to zero? Thanks.
cunning night
@agile lily When the raid was new, we had 3 people turning valves simultaneously and 3 people on the ground spotting them. Now, you can do 3 up top without the people down below. You can count the number of turn needed for each valve before you start the encounter or just alternate between each valve till they make the sound that there locked in.
agile lily
@cunning night ok we will have to practise. My clan just started working on IH and this weekend was our first real attempt on boss 3.
Correct me if im wrong but the boss woll spawn as soon as we shoot the first lock right?
cunning night
Yes, once you open a lava gate by shooting both locks/lights, the boss will spawn near that gate pretty much.
I would also advise that you only break the locks once all are locked in and break lava at same time. That will make the boss retreat.
vagrant wing
@agile lily there're several ways of doing this:
- being what hunter said - this is the most "difficult" for inexperience group (it's hard on ppl to count and listen to the cogs sound)
- keep running diagnostics during cogs phase (note that you have to break one cog first)
- (and that what i suspect you guys doing wrong) keep doing what you're doing but don't break the cogs until they all aligned. When they're - break all 3 of them at once - that will save you the problem of dmging the boss
cunning night
Yeah, without using spotters, that would be the most experienced tactic, but it is currently the most efficient. Even using people spotting you can be difficult. Probably was much easier for us in that particular case if you know everyone’s voice and can ignore the ones you don’t need to listen to.
agile lily
@cunning night ah i didnt know boss would run once all 3 lava are flowing, thanks for that. @vagrant wing right so aslong as we start with pressure low enough and we break all 3 locks together, and ultimately break the lava flows at once, we dont need to dps the boss at that point. Im not sure i understand the "break 1 cog to do more diagbostics" though
vagrant wing
I didn't said it's not the better way 🙂
It's just hard on inexp groups - which i suspect is the case here (no offence)
agile lily
No offence, we r boss 3 noobs haha
cunning night
We all were at some point.
vagrant wing
@agile lily If you want to keep doing diagnostics during cogs phase - you have to blow up one lava first. You can't do diagnostics if you don't (you can interact with the station but nothing will come up)
agile lily
@vagrant wing gotcha thanks for clarifying. Well hopefully this will enable me to rally the homies and clear this boss
vagrant wing
Good luck!
cunning night
This is just my take, but I would avoid running more diagnostics than what is required. It just adds more things to look for, then npcs can roam if they’re not watching. Just focus on doing the initial 3 as quick as possible. 
agile lily
Pressure only "stops" building once we have destroyed the 3 turrets and done the red valves yes?
vagrant wing
I agree. Although if you do that - you have more time with the furnace - so it's up to the group. But generally i agree @cunning night
Pressure only "stops" building once we have destroyed the 3 turrets and done the red valves yes?
@agile lily Kinda. It's going up again when the boss is dead
cunning night
The pressure never stops. There is a whole other process once you break all the lava.
agile lily
Right the 30 second timer once the boss dies
vagrant wing
The pressure never stops. There is a whole other process once you break all the lava.
@cunning night He was talking about the letters
cunning night
Right @vagrant wing , misread that part.
vagrant wing
Right the 30 second timer once the boss dies
@agile lily It's not just the timer. If for example you build up so much pressure it's almost at the end, you killed the boss, got your 30 sec timer - but now the pressure building up again - the furnace might explode before the time runs out
agile lily
@vagrant wing ok thats good to know lol thanks for the help gents
cunning night
No problem and good luck. First clears are always exciting.
worn pasture
Can I farm the regulus pieces?I got 1 piece from William and 1 from the last box.Can I still get them this week or do I need to wait?
cunning night
@worn pasture If you already cleared the bosses this week and they didn’t drop parts, you will have to wait till next week. They are part of the weekly exclusive loot.
worn pasture
@worn pasture If you already cleared the bosses this week and they didn’t drop parts, you will have to wait till next week. They are part of the weekly exclusive loot.
@cunning night Oh ok.Thanks for replying 🙂
flint iris
@civic carbon use #lfg-raid-console
civic carbon
I am now thx 😊
slim lake
FI and FB bp and chest can only drop in raid ?
dapper gyro
Yes.
tender hollow
For those that have tried it, is Hunter's Fury any good in any of the raids?
worldly fox
hello, nab question, i completed for first time raid, last night! though at end i missed one key for chest! i was 4/5 ! any chance to return to raid to pick key somewhere or need wait to reset and do raid again?
warm wren
You can return to the raid to grab the key, but you'll have to complete the boss again to get access to the chest again, from what i understand
tender hollow
@uneven garden Might try it on DH next weekend. Ty
uneven garden
Yeah the problem is with the memento backpack there arent so many adds to kill in raid to keep the 5 min buff
side topic we tried haz tank it the control room and it worked. When heat stack over 95 just need a fixer drone to offset the dmg
green sphinx
@charred hornet lets discuss here instead
there are exceptions to the all red factor buid, where sawyers kneepads could work out with nemesis for the last boss of IH
charred hornet
Sawyers is blue, not good
glossy blaze
there are hybrid builds that excel in raids
charred hornet
Nahnahnah, blue not good, understood
charred hornet
@tender hollow what speedrunners?🧐
tender hollow
🙂
charred hornet
@green sphinx skill builds good at 1st boss
tender hollow
hey i posted in wrong thread. oops
green sphinx
but what i cannot understand working is rainbow builds, where there is the issue over not doing your roles
glossy blaze
hybrid red-yellow is good at fieser
green sphinx
skill in first is questionable
charred hornet
@green sphinx good for speedruns, I saw some grps using it
green sphinx
imho, i think that a t0 turret will do the job and the adds can be killed off really easily with a pgc-vigil build
tender hollow
there is always exception, but in general if its not mostly red your not doing as much damage as others
charred hornet
Im doing with my 3 yellow 3 red build more than you
tender hollow
^ yeah i dump a 6 yellow core turret at B in boss 2, and it can take care of the adds at B
charred hornet
3 y 3 r is op
green sphinx
i really dont think it is?
because u can kill a red in 2s
and kill off a yellow in 6 at most
charred hornet
I did speedruns with it, ez sub40
charred hornet
You did speedruns?
upbeat mesa
@charred hornet sub 40 isnt a speedrun
charred hornet
@upbeat mesa trashtalking
glossy blaze
different groups have different standards
charred hornet
Sub40 is speedrun
upbeat mesa
sure if you think so
charred hornet
You did speedruns?
@charred hornet @green sphinx
green sphinx
not with u?
charred hornet
No, I say in general
glossy blaze
how fast should a speedrun be?
charred hornet
@glossy blaze I think sub50, because we tried hard for sub40
@upbeat mesa whats a speedrun for you?
unique shoal
im sub20 speedrunner, and u need 17 red build for that time
long ember
XDD
upbeat mesa
@charred hornet Nice trolling mate you got me, touche xD
glossy blaze
@unique shoal i dont see ur name in the leaderboards
charred hornet
@upbeat mesa what u talking bout
unique shoal
im so fast the leaderboards cant catch me
charred hornet
Im PTG..
upbeat mesa
@glossy blaze check the discovery leaderbord for donald haha xD
glossy blaze
🤔
unique shoal
with randos, not try hard clan
tender hollow
Discovery IH with randoms is harder than Normal. I tried but couldn't finish
unique shoal
one thats mad osama is ahead in DH
charred hornet
@unique shoal what clan?
unique shoal
dnt worry bby
charred hornet
?
glossy blaze
its okay PTG dont question the world fastest
unique shoal
no, we know how to skip 3rd and 4th boss and kill iron horse in 30 secs, sorry but thats my clan secret
charred hornet
@unique shoal im asking for a grp, not only for the secrets
tender hollow
@charred hornet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDvM8-52lBU
unique shoal
the group in the secret
charred hornet
@tender hollow whats this
tender hollow
if you really really want to do you can replicate
charred hornet
@tender hollow I have no grp
tender hollow
oh
half wren
@charred hornet try Unicorn Clan, the only clan did Raid with Rainbow Build Top in leaderboard
charred hornet
@half wren What place?
green sphinx
@half wren What place?
@charred hornet 1st
charred hornet
Cool
dusky bolt
Yes.
Wow @unique shoal 23mins
@charred hornet Could have been sub22 without dead weight. FeelsBadMan
charred hornet
@dusky bolt whos tha deadweight?
charred hornet
@dusky bolt who do u think is a tryhard clan?
dusky bolt
ALL
dusky bolt
JTF pretty try hard too.
charred hornet
LFN ?
dusky bolt
LFN ?
@charred hornet trash
charred hornet
@dusky bolt IOG?
dusky bolt
@dusky bolt IOG?
@charred hornet whos that?
charred hornet
@charred hornet trash
@dusky bolt I just wanna hear yes or no
@dusky bolt Insturment of God
Good clan @dusky bolt
dusky bolt
Are they as bad as your spelling?
charred hornet
@dusky bolt @unique shoal is in IOG, he good
ocean spade
Do you have to wait for a weekly reset to get the Regulus parts?
vagrant wing
Yes.
ocean spade
Aight, thank you
dusky bolt
Yes.
@vagrant wing Yes.
half wren
Do you guys know why Raid need 8 people ?
flint iris
Because it requires teamwork and 8 people working together
half wren
No, Apes together Strong
unique shoal
well technically u just need 4 people to do raid, but if you want a painless raid, min 6 people can do raid in less than 1 hour with keys
normal IH that is
tender hollow
If 4 people could get past the 1st boss no problem what stops 8 people doing it?
Can’t say lack of dps cause it should be there
uncut crypt
If 4 people could get past the 1st boss no problem what stops 8 people doing it?
@tender hollow most the time i encounter were people who are under prepared or no mic to communicate and arrogant toxicity, other than that, the raids i hosted or joined, quite smooth
meager flame
What is the best build for dh raid?
tender hollow
Groups I’m in they always get the boss to low health then it’s a wipe automatically. Team were speed runnings who could kill gray without needing overcharge. But clearly they needed it
uncut crypt
What is the best build for dh raid?
@meager flame Pure dps, or if u want, striker 3/4piece with obliterate and bloodsucker or whatever u want
tender hollow
All dps. 1 person can run TP support with vanguard
meager flame
So focus on dmf
tender hollow
Yeah
uncut crypt
Multiple ways can work were it tested or can synchronise with other builds, like opportunistic and the overwatch talent
but some i see bring in status damage for ads/mobs
tender hollow
My clan can do gray without needing overcharge. Solid dps, opportunistic, spotter and vigilance. Pestilence, mortar build or m1a’s with boomerang or rifle man
With the core group
uncut crypt
yup, many methods can work, key would be communication mostly
tender hollow
With the less experienced clan members we need overcharge pulse
3rd boss is easy and doesn’t need any cc or tank If everyone’s dps
uncut crypt
fair
tender hollow
Cqb’s and fast firing weapons for the ads. M1a’s for the boss
slate hawk
@meager flame if you have about 150 crit damage is good for dark hours raid
brave crag
Does anyone know what Skill Damage % bonus threshold is needed to play EMP on DH and one-shot the drones?
Also, does anyone know the maximum cooldown time between EMPs as an alternative? (i.e. how many seconds exactly you need to get cooldown down to if you're relying on Haste instead of Hard Wired)
I'm looking to run Future Initiative instead of Hard Wired to give the group the damage bonus (for when playing with randoms and less experienced).
I have Sk Dmg up to +82% vs Drones with the following:
Future Initiative: Mask, Backpack, Holster, Knees, all rolled Skill Damage
BTSU Gloves: For the hive resets
Wyvern Chest: Skilled talent + Skill Damage
Technician: calibrated for Skill Damage bonus
Not aware of any guns that can help especially, so have Mechanical Animal & Bullet King
The principle is that instead of going for HW I'm gambling on Skilled resetting the EMP cooldown.
TIA
vagrant wing
82 is definitely not enough. It should be between 85 (with some talent like kinetic momentum/overwatch/glass cannon or demo in the group) and ~95 (not sure on the minimum amount but 95% should do it)
the cd for the EMP should be lower then 12 otherwise the drones gonna do some dmg to the group (even with 12s or less you need to time it right). It's also depends how many waves you'll get (or in other words how quickly the group destroy the weakpoints)
brave crag
Damn, that sucks but thx for the info.
Do you know if there is a Future Init build that works?
vagrant wing
And you can't count on skilled at all
brave crag
(My quickest skills Haste was 12.8s if I went for pure skill hsate)
Skilled gives you 95% chance of success assuming there's 10 drones (I'm guessing the count, and obviously I'd have to hit them all).
That's still 1 in 20 failures, but playing with randoms we have big issues way more often than that anyway. 🙂
vagrant wing
i couldn't get it to work properly after TU10 that's why i said it. If you tested it since you know better
brave crag
Yeah, a friend was running the EMP, and all of a sudden EMP vs Drones struggles.
I guess HW + Overwatch or something would achieve similar. Just more of a faff and a small dmg buff.
(We've not tested Future yet, just HW, but didn't find the threshold)
vagrant wing
Consider this build instead (i havn't tested it at all - so i have no idea what's the cd gonna be)
FI: mask, BP, gloves, knees - all with skill dmg
Wyvern: chest - skill dmg & haste
non-brand: holster - skill dmg and haste
potential skill dmg should be 6*10 + 10 (watch) + 10 (wyvern) + 10 (technician) = 90
potential skill haste 15 (FI) + 4*12 (mods) + 2*10 (chest & holster attr) + 10 (watch) = 83 and whatever you put on the pulse itself. No idea what the number of seconds it'll result into
(We've not tested Future yet, just HW, but didn't find the threshold)
And again the threshold is 85 + talent or 95 and above
brave crag
Looks like it'll work but losing the BTSU feels like a risk with not being able to reset the hives.
It's a tough trade off.
vagrant wing
I didn't manage to use the BTSU without glass cannon on the chest. Perhaps someone else manage to do it
brave crag
Oh wait, I forgot to add the bonus from Future Initiative to myself...
That gives me 82% +15% if I'm on full health.
vagrant wing
Might work then. Cooldown should be 12 ish sec or below tho
brave crag
I think Cooldown is actually over 16s for that one, as everything rolled for Damage.
Basically you're gambling against the 5.6% failure of Skilled, but you'd have time to warn people they'll need to shoot drones, and you have BTSU for yourself to reset in an emergency if it's not already on cooldown.
Oh man, thanks for helping me think this through. Sounds like it might work.
vagrant wing
Give it a roll what can i say? i just think you're going a bit too far with giving your team extra dmg - but might lose to the drones at the end. There're better alternatives (opportunistic) just saying
brave crag
I was originally thinking Future chest + Opportunistic (crazy total buff) but wasn't sure if the cooldown (think it was 12.8s) was fast enough.
I guess my can't-compromise is BTSU, as people are always falling about all over the place. 😂
vagrant wing
12.8 is fine (depends if you get 2 or 3 waves of drones)
brave crag
I'll have to experiment with both, but sounds like a bunch of promise.
tender hollow
Where is the best spot to put the assault turret for Boss 2 IH on C upstairs?
dusky bolt
Yes.
vagrant wing
Where is the best spot to put the assault turret for Boss 2 IH on C upstairs?
@tender hollow does it matters? what build you're running?
tender hollow
@vagrant wing skill 6 tier because i want to dump a healing hive downstairs
vagrant wing
Well not to comment on the choice of build here 😉 i always place my turret in a way it can cover the adds spawn and the power switch. Somewhere next to the edge of the box
tender hollow
@vagrant wing Ty. Might try it on the railing the next run
brave crag
Just to confirm that Future Init @97% works. I did have Skilled fail to proc once, which scares the crap out of you. The randoms were bitching a bit, but mainly because I completely human-errored the first one (too early). But yes, you can one-shot the drones with Future Init.
I didn't get a chance to try the higher buff option. Another idea again is higher Haste + Calculated, but you'd need to find the sweet spot, and it still might not be viable to get it in in time.
tender hollow
^ if you have btsu, you have a get out of jail if skilled fails to proc, by breaking the hive. The added bonus is your healing hive recharges faster. I run overwatch + opportunistic instead on a non-gear set build
uneven garden
I’ve tested multiple variations of drone build and in order to use BTSU + crossbow, the chest pc has to be Wyvern with Kinetic or GC.
restive herald
@brave crag the other people in the circle can have jammer on their dps build. Yesterday before we ran with you we did the last boss without a dedicated jammer. 4 circles used jammer with 2 going at a time. Few drones were left but we can surely mange that
So one circle along with one running fi uses jammer on first wave. And then for next wave fi and another circle uses it.
restive herald
But will we be getting ground control buff all the time? Do we all have to be full armor to get ground control buff? I don't have a clear idea
vagrant wing
Pretty sure he knows that. He just wanted a build to make it easy on randoms. The option you suggested requires a lot of coordination
restive herald
Yes that's true
half wren
@restive herald For Drone Control I use Hardwire build all 3 waves i can destroy the drones
or u can use Status effect eclipse build for drones also works
tender hollow
Maybe if someone runs an almost all red 4xFI Pistol, Dodge City Holster, Punch Drunk build that might be optimal.
restive herald
@half wren yes that works. But @brave crag was trying to provide dmg buff to teammates and do jammer at the same time by using fi.
brave crag
@restive herald Future Initiative doesn't guarantee a buff all the time. We tested to check, and it's the recipient of the buff that needs to be at full armour. So it's certainly true that FI won't be giving the buff to everyone all the time, but it is "automatic" in the sense that it doesn't require the wearer to do anything in particular. Overwatch might as well be run by a DPS. Opportunistic looks like a good option, but relative to my quoted build, it might compromise getting the EMP back up in time for the next wave if running with FI. I can't run two yellows alongside FI, as that would mean no BTSU, and BTSU is my "non compromise" requirement as people go down too often.
@tender hollow The all red FI is an interesting idea. I was considering it for something else, but a DPS guy running that would take the FI load off the EMP guy, who could then run opportunistic + BTSU + EMP.
My next test will be whether Calculated procs & stacks when jamming a number of drones. If it does then pure haste might be enough to get the EMP back up, which would then allow me to run FI chest for a larger buff.
Has anyone ever run Calculated to reduce cooldown specifically with Razorback drone kills, and does it definitely 100% work?
vagrant wing
I think you might gone a bit to far into the FI idea (not that i'm ruling it out) and even tho i'm all for the tests i think you miss something here.
The way i look on that encounter is: You want as much DPS as possible, but since it's better for the team if the drones are taken care of without any problems/unnecessary coordination you run an EMP build. Now If i'm gonna run that build i want to buff my team as much as i can - so far you and me have the same mindset. Problem start when the buff isn't consistent (like FI). Now based on some calculations i made (for another build - doesn't matter - i can show you if you want) 8% multiplicative dmg equal roughly to 24% additive dmg - that means that 10% multiplicative (opp) is better then 25% additive (FI) especially when it's inconsistent.
You can argue that FI with opp is the best - and it might be, but until further testing i don't see it that way. Especially when you use technician (which is kinda useless imo since you want the "useless" guy to use the crossbow).
So in conclusion, i think that for now, overwatch + opp is the best "tested" proven build either with HW or non-gearset (and again - i'm not trying to get you off the idea, just try to look at the bigger picture here)
Sorry for the long reading... i'm bored 🙂
@brave crag
Overwatch on a DPS is a missed opportunity imo. There are better talent for a DPS to use such as focus, spotter or GC to name a few
vagrant wing
When you see the word "increase you and... dmg" it's additive - sorry
And btw to get 25% from FI you need to use an FI chest - which you don't. So...
brave crag
Yeah, the have FI chest relies on Calculated working or similar.
vagrant wing
opp should result in more dmg just saying
brave crag
I guess I liked the idea that FI would be helping with the adds on all corners, whereas Opp is mostly just for helping boss damage, right?
But overwatch would cover that, anyway, of course.
vagrant wing
Yeah you make a good point. But you can't hold the stick in both ends
restive herald
I run 2blue full armor with red attribute for survivability. So I am losing 30% dmg but using a walker I get 5% back. If someone uses fi in team then I am at my normal dps level but also with some protection for myself
So imo having a fi helps. Since you can run jammer with it I think it's better at least for me.
vagrant wing
Again you missed the point. 10% multiplicative is greater then 15% additive or even 25%
uneven garden
Iirc we discussed this drone build couple weeks back @vagrant wing lol and am convinced kinetic is the best imo
I forgot if it was you or someone else who suggests this @vagrant wing
vagrant wing
yeah @uneven garden i know. I'm talking from a perspective of buffing the team here not killing the drones
uneven garden
I’d agree you the drone guy should just clear drones as 1st priority, with healing and BTSU as added benefits to the group
vagrant wing
We see it differently i guess. Let's agree to disagree 🙂
uneven garden
Lollol nvm
it certainly depends on the group but 7 dps should be enough to 4 phase if doing back front back front
restive herald
@vagrant wing With 2 15% loss I am adding them to 30% when they are actually multiplicative, right? So I am losing more?
viscid fossil
@tender hollow close to the door on those boxes on the left.
vagrant wing
@vagrant wing With 2 15% loss I am adding them to 30% when they are actually multiplicative, right? So I am losing more?
@restive herald that's not how the dmg calculated in this game
restive herald
If possible do give an idea
vagrant wing
which will result in this formula (as far as the community knows) base dmg * (1 + wpn dmg + wpn type dmg) * (1 + HSD + CHD) * (1 + x *(talent wpn dmg (additive))) * (1 + talent wpn dmg (multiplicative))^x * (1 + DTA) * (1 + DTH) *(1+ OOC)
where x is the number of additive/multiplicative talents (if you don't have any x = 0) assuming talent wpn dmg are identical ofc. If not add/multiply them
so FI additive dmg probably belong to the talent wpn dmg (additive) where opp belong to talent wpn dmg (multiplicative) since it's exponential it's raise the dmg quite a lot
EDIT: after someone brought it to my attention the formula is (on purpose) mathematically wrong. The mathematically correct formula look like this:
base dmg * (1 + wpn dmg + wpn type dmg) * (1 + HSD + CHD) * (1 + talent wpn dmg (additive) + talent wpn dmg (additive)) * (1 + talent wpn dmg (multiplicative)) * (1 + talent wpn dmg (multiplicative)) * (1 + DTA) * (1 + DTH) *(1+ OOC)
restive herald
Thanks 👍
vagrant wing
np
glossy blaze
yes.
dusky bolt
Yes.
tender hollow
@tender hollow close to the door on those boxes on the left.
@viscid fossil Thanks for the pro tip. Just tried it and its perfect. I shoot his weakpoint from the corridor after the turret gets agro
quartz star
I dunno, I felt like a babysitter trying to walkthrough others with the DH discovery, but glad I could teach under 100 watch level owners and Gear score players the ropes
...now I wish I responded to help calls
strange crater
R anyone doing a raid i have a dps build with about 41 chc and 150 chd and watch is 278 would like to learn how to do the raid
late scarab
My group does it weekly. We'd take you
ocean spade
After all the farming to finish the Iron Horse projects, I never thought that grinding blueprints for the magnum replica would hurt me the most...
azure fossil
whats typical IH group composition these days, 6 dps, 1 tank, 1 heal?
warm flower
go to build for IH?
warm ibex
@azure fossil depends on the boss. Boss 1 (7dps,1 healer)
Boss 2 (6dps, 1 tank, 1 healer)
Boss 3 (6dps, 1 healer, 1 tank or 1 cc)
Boss 4(5dps, 1 healer, 2 tanks)
There are some other possibilities but this should work fine
azure fossil
Interesting, thank you
Is it much like DH, where adds wipe more than the boss does -- especially when people can't handle their adds?
tender hollow
@azure fossil they are all really dps and know what to do checks. the lower the dps and the less people really know what to do, the longer it takes and the more likely you will wipe.
azure fossil
Ah okay, at least as I feel - in DH the only thing that really consistently wipes teams is adds, and failure to control adds.
tender hollow
^ basically the same. failure to control adds = lack of dps and/or people not knowing what to do
azure fossil
Makes sense, most dps seem to have a hard time staying alive with adds
warm ibex
If staying alive on dps is a problem, then you are not doing enough dps! Basically a dps with full stacs should max 3 tap any enemies
azure fossil
3-tap, raid enemies? What do you mean -- Sacrifice build?
warm ibex
Crit HS about 5mio
I use 3pc providence with focus and vigilance, ceska, foxprayer, groupo or contractor gloves. With m1a classic, you can use sacrifice to but i dont hava a decent rolled one
The Raids are not the place for personal perference builds, if u lack damage the team has to compensate
azure fossil
well in the immortal words of Diesel the heavy Hyena, "Don't die motherfucker."
celest nebula
i'm p sure boss 3 you need to save couple DPS in the final stage for ads control
quartz star
Why is DH on normal less stressful than on discovery?
versed swallow
Because usually people on normal are on mic and will listen to the raid leader even if their builds are not good. Proper footwork/coordination is 80 percent of the deal beyond just shooting stuff
azure fossil
public discovery is complete trash, people begged for public raid matchmaking and they got it
verbal mist
Nobody listens in discovery . They just shoot everything like it’s bank headquarters in challenge
Don’t shoot boomer kill ads , then you look over and there facetanking boomer with a lady death 🙄
empty pawn
I remember my first discovery game. I hid on the stairs with drone and turret haha
blissful otter
I tried discovery dark hours and it just looks like there’s a bunch of headless chickens running around blasting stuff with no general strategy
muted horizon
Reasons to NOT do discovery:
- it teaches incorrect timing, limited mechanics so that you're not getting the full spectrum of the encounters... only learning 50% of the mechanics, on a different timer/value of the mechanic does not help when you go into normal and the pacing is faster/harder
- people treat it as free gear, afk mode... half your group will either be afk, making dinner, or watching porn... so expect to be 1 of 4 actually doing anything.
- loot sucks and exotics for the raid arent there
- you're not learning anything, as mobs hit less hard, mechanics are dumbed down/non-existant, and timing is far slower... doing discovery and then into normal will actually hurt you more than just shooting straight for normal mode...
to sum: gear a decent dps build off youtube (just YT some builds for pve end game... isnt hard to see a pattern in what you should gear with) and then find a normal mode... dont waste your time in discovery at all.
blissful otter
The only issue with that is for solo players like myself finding a competent group is difficult
muted horizon
thats what trial and error is for this channel - it's easy to get into a group. simply be the first to join RV channel and get in - otherwise use reddit or Ubi forums to find a recruiting guild.
blissful otter
Yep still haven’t found a good group to reliably complete the raid and still haven’t had any luck with the eagle bearer
muted horizon
Thats unfortunate, but also as a solo player, you're lucky to have the discord avenue to get right into raid through this - as when DH came out way back when it took me a few weeks to even find my current clan, get into the raid rotation and then push through content - now it can be cleared within an hour or two depending on group and experience - keep at it tho.
blissful otter
Yep just keep on grinding the few times i actually completed dark hours was because of the groups I joined from discord it’s only a matter of time until I get lucky
nimble surge
in terms of difficulty how does iron horse and dark hours compare?
fleet meadow
in terms of difficulty how does iron horse and dark hours compare?
@nimble surge dh silver5 iron horse global elite
nimble surge
dont sleep on silver
twin ember
@muted horizon Discovery imo is for new players to get a feel of their gear. Most don't know how "good" is good enough for raid. I usually tell them go to Discovery, shoot some NPC and see how you do, then leave.
warm ibex
I dont get why people dont know how good their gear is. For a Raid you should be prepared. Watch some vids check the builds. For people who are to lazy to go to youtube and type „division 2 iron horse“ maybe the raid is not the activity
amber blaze
The same reason why you can sometimes get low SHD level players when you matchmake for Legendary.
viscid fossil
i think discovery is scaled to 4 players and normal is scaled to 8. just jump in and struggle lol
late scarab
in terms of difficulty how does iron horse and dark hours compare?
@nimble surge Dark hours is easier, but it will be more obvious if people don't do enough damage
Iron Horse is "harder" to learn because there's more things to learn. However, once you learn it, it's arguably easier
amber blaze
LFG Raids in a nutshell https://imgur.com/jtNE5md
late scarab
LOL... my group will take all inexperienced people!
this is my Uplay
add me and look up me during the weekend
iron lake
new here, have not tried raid and would love to. are there groups/players here that will take noobs in raid? 😄
celest nebula
try in #lfg-raid-pc
late scarab
Yes.. hit me up during the weekend, Heero
iron lake
cool, thanks. I will check some videos out.
uneven garden
anyone seen a 22:34 IH by a Japanese team on YouTube. They skipped the rockets in the last boss completely
for 2nd - 4th phases.
iron lake
@azure fossil ahh I thought so lol. just making sure 🙂 thanks
vagrant wing
anyone seen a 22:34 IH by a Japanese team on YouTube. They skipped the rockets in the last boss completely
@uneven garden can you post the link please?
uneven garden
muted horizon
@twin ember i disagree - getting a "feel for your gear" can be done in heroic mode 4 man missions - if you can complete heroic or say kill an elite mob (yellow) with 1-2 clips using your setup, then you can go into normal raid - other than getting the layout of the boss encounters, I see no other value in running discovery as the mobs do not have the same amount of health as normal (giving the illusion to people that they can burn mobs down quickly in discovery), the timing is WAY slower in discovery (thus giving that player the satisfaction they are completely mechanics at that timing, but when going into normal are shocked at how much faster stuff happens), and overall not learning 50-75% of the mechanics in each fight correctly - example: waters on second boss being different values (thus only needing one person to do it correctly) - it's stuff like that will ultimately gimp a player more when they go from discovery to normal and see that stuff hits hard, takes a shorter time to react, and has more health to boot, as well as 1-2 mechanics that they dont see in discovery that drastically changes outcome of the encounter.
dim patrol
anyone got tips on blind turning on the pacman in major williams encounter?
probably the only thing i can't do in IH lol
timid belfry
lfg for summitt floor 96 need one more person to completre group voice 2
icy hull
@timid belfry wrong channel, please use the LFG end game channel.
ebon acorn
hey guys what is an optimal dps build?
icy hull
Weapon dps?
3 prov + coyotes + fox prayer + 1 of (grupo/ceska/2nd overlord) for AR/LMG/Rifle builds.
normal mirage
anyone got tips on blind turning on the pacman in major williams encounter?
@dim patrol hold the interaction key for 1/2 a second and then let go. If you hear a loud click, it means the wheel is aligned and you can move on. If you hear a soft click, it means you need to keep going. Helps if the team is quiet during this phase.
dim patrol
thanks, i figured i couldn't hear because everyone was talking
normal mirage
it's kinda like unlocking a safe just like in the movies 😛 need quiet and concentration.
gleaming shard
Another tip is that all cogs will all need at least 4 turns, so you can hold it down for the first 4 clicks, then go to the 1/2 second "one turn" key presses to complete each one.
dusky bolt
Yes.
normal mirage
No.
vagrant wing
It's actually between 5 and 9
brave sedge
What is the Stryker build for the last boss (IH) fight used in speed runs?
vagrant wing
You have some variations but the most common one is
Striker: mask, holster, knees and BP
chest: perfect focus
gloves: Contractors
weapon: Sleipnir with perfect frenzy and dmg to health
@brave sedge
vagrant wing
The common believe right now is that chc/chd doesn't work on the train at all so it's your decision:
Either roll chc/chd to kill the adds faster
OR
roll wpn handling to reload faster (better sustain dmg toward the train)
It's also depends whether you gonna use that build for the 1st boss or not
brave sedge
👍🏻
tacit pebble
what does RV stand for in the LFG channel
deep ruin
Raid voice channel, I think
tacit pebble
ahh, that makes sense, thanks
young canyon
what builds should i focus to make for iron horse before attempting it?
fathom karma
DPS@young canyon
barren idol
Anyone have DH Razzerback CP?
gleaming shard
It's actually between 5 and 9
@vagrant wing That's correct, but the whole point of the "1-turn" method is to never overshoot it. Since some only take 5 clicks to lock, if you go 5 on the first turn you can risk overshooting it if you've got latency or can't hear it well. If you want to go 5 on the first round, may as well use the method to count how many you need before going up there. My $0.02 anyway.
tender hollow
Is there any sense in doing the raids on discovery level?
tender hollow
Is there any sense in doing the raids on discovery level?
@tender hollow for DH yes. for IH no. watching the youtube guides for both is the best and having a good dps build (50+ chc, 150+ chd, unbreakable) will ensure you enjoy the experience and can help the team
ornate steeple
How in the world are you meant to have 150 chd I just barely got mine to 100
vagrant wing
What's your build looks like @ornate steeple ? 100 is really low for a dps build
icy hull
Full weapon dps build normally has like ~180 chd
ornate steeple
•2 piece hunters fury for backfire and shotgun
•3 piece providence
•Ninja bike kneepads
vagrant wing
That's a weird one. Could you tell me the reason for each piece?
ornate steeple
•Well hunters fury for the +15% dmg for smgs and shotguns
•providence got the dmg and bonus crit chance and dmg
•and I don’t have a reason for the kneepads (I don’t even know why I run it)
And then I have a different build I’m testing (just made it today) which is 2 piece prov 2 piece walker and 2 piece hunters
vagrant wing
Alright.
First when you're using gear pieces you'll never get as high as 180 chd just so you know
Second 3 providence is a waste (try and hit hsd with a shotgun) why not using grupo & ceska instead?
3rd as you said - kneepads?
When ppl say 150 chd and above they're referring to the 'meta' rifle build
3 prov, contractors, foxs and gropu
lucid juniper
Any tips on how to speed clear iron horse? My clan can run it in 1 hr 30min-1hr 45min. I'm looking for ways to possibly speed things up and do it in an hour or less
flint iris
Kill yourself instead of running after each boss
ornate steeple
@vagrant wing hows this build for rifles I’m building up so far I got 50% crit chance and 113% crit damage
•1 piece Grupo
•3 piece providence
•Fox’s prayer
•1 piece ceska
ornate steeple
Yeah my luck for gear is unlucky
I’m so far doing alright like once I get the grupo I’ll be close to 150% crit damage
tender hollow
@tender hollow for DH yes. for IH no. watching the youtube guides for both is the best and having a good dps build (50+ chc, 150+ chd, unbreakable) will ensure you enjoy the experience and can help the team
@tender hollow
I see, I were wondering because the DH dont work the same way as on normal, I m trying to get experience but seems pointless
tender hollow
tbh people were saying 110 chd before before IH launched, then suddenly everyone said 150 chd. but imo 150 chd for IH
icy hull
Before IH 110 is something I never heard. 150 yes and all the time.
You use chd on weapon? Or weapon mods @tender hollow
flint iris
Dps matters even more in dh 🤔
icy hull
^^
tender hollow
You use chd on weapon? Or weapon mods @tender hollow
@icy hull its 49.6 chc, 209.7 chd with m1a (using +5 rounds, 1xchc and 1xchd), 1x ceska, 1xgroupo. with bullet king is 49.7/197.7
i mostly raid with randoms, and with randoms IH is harder
icy hull
Ah rifle
twin ember
60/185.7 > 49.6/209.7
tender hollow
60/185.7 > 49.6/209.7
@twin ember for solo yes
icy hull
Keep in mind hell get +10 chc for 59% chc total
tame peak
anyone there can help me the new raid i still need both exo weapon and the future chest. ? 🙂
odd tundra
don't you love it when you lose rock paper scissors so the other guy gets the ravenous? 😂
i dont mind but it was a pretty funny moment
fallen epoch
LF3M to farm any mission with all directives except skill (we will all use skill builds) to get max XP for apparel event.
valid marlin
fallen epoch
Ok sorry didn't realize!
thorny turtle
jolly sparrow
‚63<?| 3
vagrant wing
Yes.
long rivet
is there is a written instruction of the IH raid that i can read? i get sick of the youtuber if find things that i didn't see in the video and i don't want to feel useless
thanks in advance
vagrant wing
@long rivet yes
https://discordapp.com/channels/477210626742288384/578577872701095956/747445155002450040
credit to the authors ofc
uneven garden
@west spruce did you manage to figure out the last bullet thingy ?
west spruce
We decided to down the bullet to ensure it's not wiping us, not certain of the exact mechanic if it's safe to leave it alive and possible to wipe us.
uneven garden
Oh...I didn’t see that bullet, just the alarm
I guess it didn’t affect the time as you’d have to wait for 3 keys either way?
west spruce
Yeah it actually won't affect, it's the same as you mentioned, have to wait for last 3 keys either way, you will have time to down it like regular raid run (6 RPGs)
summer birch
Today is my 34-birthday and i wanted to celebrate with IH-raid because i didn't play it!Im experienced player with 1.5K hours so i think i should not be a problem with good team.THX for understanding!
brittle hamlet
Need 3. starting from lvl 81 .. GV7
summer birch
THX guys very good run!I appreciate the effort! 😉
rich echo
Will they eventually add the raid exotics to the loot pool? Even if its a year later I just want to be able to get them.
icy hull
no
flint iris
no
muted horizon
@rich echo it should not take a year to get a decent raid dps set up (weapon red core attributes build) to kill 8 bosses total with one pull of trash in between a few of them - what timezone are you in? I'm going to start pushing for training raids certain nights on this discord, around 9pm EST that'll put in the LFG-Raid-PC channel - i'll try to get you in for one so you can learn the fights/get the downs/have a chance at EB and Rav (regulus is a given once you clear enough)
icy hull
@muted horizon FYI he isnt talking about a dps set up. but rather if the raid exotics are leaving the raids into world drops.
muted horizon
@icy hull i understand his question - I'm following up by stating that if he's having trouble downing the raid bosses, I'm going to be setting up training groups for newer raiders that can't finish the fights - I agree with @flint iris and you that they won't put those three weapons into world loot pool
icy hull
👍
muted horizon
and if I'm incorrect that he's downed the fights and just having RNG issues on the drops, then that's something he needs to take up with an Ubi developer, and not this channel 😛
flint iris
@muted horizon that’s also really nice of you to do that, setting up training raids, props to you bro and gl
rich echo
@muted horizon I appreciate the help. Its not so much of I cant take them down its more of the fact that getting a good raid group can be difficult
muted horizon
@rich echo duly noted - yea pugging from time to time, i hear you on that front.
cerulean veldt
So what is the difficulty of the raid like just on normal is like compared to heroic legendary what?
viscid fossil
you really cant compare since raids are scaled to 8 players,
flint iris
Normal mode with 8 player scaling
lavish ocean
Can range from super easy with 8 raid veterans that understand mechanics / raid builds to almost impossible with 8 unprepared, not fully maxed out first-time raiders
cerulean veldt
I just dont really understand what to do now like i did a full headshot and crit damage build with the diamond back and erkims rifle until i get nemisis but i cant do legendary missions due to being squishy af and matchmaking into a team never works so kinda lost
late scarab
I like Visualsun's comparison
Usually, I don't like people's comparison, because it's apples to oranges, in my opinion. Usually, the answer is that legendary strongholds are more difficult than the raids. The challenge to the raid, though, is the learning process aspect of it. By the time you learned it, of course it's easier. The proper comparison is between a legendary stronghold and doing a raid for the first time. In which case, the raids are harder, even moreso if the rest of your group is new to it too.
balmy hound
Most missions you can push through with pure DPS and force of will. In raids people have jobs, they have to know how to do those jobs and communicate that those jobs are being done or the group will never clear it.
cerulean veldt
Yea i cam from destiny and like wow so i get raiding idk i just dont understand how to get more DPS or if i just need to totally throw away my build because i cant do the legendary mission or if i should just try to solo it because then it wont scale to 4 people idk
late scarab
people have rules of thumb to what the optimum DPS build has, and you can compare to that. I believe it's 60% critical hit chance and 150% critical hit damage....
balmy hound
What Tycohh said, most weapon damage builds focus on 60% CHC and then as much CHD as possible. As far as using legendary as your litmus for ability to complete content, those are like 95% knowing target priority and not getting wrecked by the 3000 drones and grenades.
Just my 2 cents, there may be someone else here that can provide much better info. 🤷♂️
cerulean veldt
yea drones kill me immediately and i only play solo because i dont know anyone on the game
tender hollow
A raid is harder than Legendary. I've done Capitol Legendary with an SHD 50,100,150 and their builds were below average. I don't think 5 normal experienced players would be able to carry them through IH.
Legendaries you can cheese and take your time. Raids you have to kill fast as more and more ads keep spawning.
flint iris
Some encounters are timed too
uneven garden
Raids are certainly more difficult than legendary from all aspects
legendaries seem to encourage skill builds and fight outside the designed combat area idk if it’s intended
vagrant wing
I think we can conclude that:
NPCs on legendary are superior to NPCs on the raids
The raid is harder becuase it's not just shooting stuff
As to you @cerulean veldt - i wouldn't attept a solo run of legendary mission without a skill build (I'm not saying it's impossible, ppl done it but it's frustrating). I also suggest that you create another build for those kind of content like lmg/rifle/AR build. Because even tho I'm sure your current build hit hard, it's also take time to line your shot whixh make you vulnerable
uneven garden
@vagrant wing yeah legend adds hit harder. raid is less but need to be able to kill fast, and there is no tactical retreat in raids lol
vagrant wing
I know. I tried to make a funny comment on a chewed up subject
uneven garden
Lol. A lot peep know what to do for raids but builds may not enable them to kill fast. like 1 mag + to kill an elite
uncut crypt
go PGC
azure fossil
Are you able to apply bleed to all humanoid raid bosses?
vagrant wing
Beside Dizzy, Ricochet and the 3rd (forgot his name) which i haven't test, you can apply SE to all humanoid bosses BUT some of them aren't affect by it (Morozova for example) and even if they do - usually it's extremely short duration @azure fossil
azure fossil
Okay, that's more or less what I figured. I'm using a filthy 6 red bleed build, and was wondering how viable it would be against most raid bosses
vagrant wing
It won't. Generally speaking all skill builds are useless against the bosses (dmg wise. Maybe ongoing can work idk) unless you want to CC them
azure fossil
no, 6 red, no skill build. All damage amp applied by dmg to bleed and dmg to status
close to 7mil DPS, without Glass Cannon
vagrant wing
Oh, sorry about that. I miss read. I can't see why it won't work then - unless you can't apply bleed reliably
azure fossil
No its okay, thank you much for the info
uneven garden
Oxi is not useless against gray
lol
I’ve seen stellar use Oxi against buddy seeker
warm ibex
Oxi works against the seekers, but buddy and lucy dont take se
uneven garden
But yeah generally skill builds are not so useful especially in DH
vagrant wing
First: the bosses on IH have way less armor/health then their counterparts on DH.
Second: the groups that use to run oxidizer on Gray did so because they used it on the railyard prior to the boss spawn (except for that one group who used it as a proof on concept)
It's not as good as many thinks
vagrant wing
Oxi works against the seekers, but buddy and lucy dont take se
They still do. Not bleed ofc, but you can still shock them
warm ibex
I forgot about shock, yea shock applies to buddy&lucy, but if you are not doing a speedrun with a coordinated team i would not recomend shocking them.
west spruce
Oxidizer is a direct skill dmg just like assault drone or turret, it's not Status Effect hence it's able to directly damage seekers, Lucy Buddy and enemies or raid bosses in general.
Beside Dizzy, Ricochet and the 3rd (forgot his name) which i haven't test, you can apply SE to all humanoid bosses BUT some of them aren't affect by it (Morozova for example) and even if they do - usually it's extremely short duration @azure fossil
@vagrant wing Morozova is bleeding monthly already so she already build up a very high tolerance against it.
vagrant wing
I disagree @warm ibex but honestly i haven't tested my shock build with a solid group since TU10
west spruce
Jokes aside, raid/named bosses have higher status effect tolerance so the damage effect and duration won't last as long on them compared to regular adds. But if you can reliably apply it on them (say overcharge foam/fire grenade) it should still allow you to dish out comparable damage with complementary weapon talents.
vagrant wing
I think that guy uses the Ridgway pride for bleed and the eclipse BP for dmg but i'm not sure
warm ibex
@vagrant wing you are talking about solid group, i was talking about average lfg group
But im in for trying it out to burn down buddy and lucy while shocked
vagrant wing
Oh yeah - you're right in that case
viscid fossil
the shock duration is shortened, same as bleed for all bosses.
vagrant wing
It's not about the duration. @azure fossil asked about bleed in general and as long as he keep bleeding he should get the affect. About the shock - you can kill B&L in 5 ish sec if it's done correctly unless they changed something (tested after gear 2.0, without pulse stacking or any other exploits)
glossy blaze
just use strikers for DH
glossy blaze
running out of loadouts cant keep my pistol build 😦
viscid fossil
yeah they shortened the duration. so you cant lock them in the center even with tamper. but ive seen a guy use tamper to stop her spin though at the start
vagrant wing
yeah they shortened the duration. so you cant lock them in the center even with tamper. but ive seen a guy use tamper to stop her spin though at the start
@viscid fossil You still can. That i can tell you for sure. You just need to be overcharged prior to the trap drop
But it is a very short duration. You got that right
glossy blaze
they kind of fixed it, where the duration doesnt overlap as often, maybe they added an internal cooldown to it
not sure, but thats what i think
vagrant wing
I did test it kuku in TU10 maybe TU9 after the changes to status effect. I was able to shock them in the same way i used to. But yeah it was really short. Definitely short then 10 sec
tender hollow
what happens if you have a couple of people with tamper?
vagrant wing
It's not about the shock itself. As Stellar said - raid bosses (and elites in general) have high tolerance against status effects now (i can't remember when they changed it TU9?) so it's not whether you can shock them or not, it's whether the shock gonna affect them at all or in other words whether you have enough status effect to overcome their status tolerance
verbal mist
It’s changed unfortunately . I used to shock them and we melted them . Now they just run through it
vagrant wing
Again pretty sure it still exist. But i'm gonna test it just to be sure
verbal mist
Okie dokie
warm ibex
What i have seen the way to shock them is a dedicated cc build with acosta go bag for overcharge the shock trap
vagrant wing
Yes.
cerulean veldt
So what is the likely hood that someone will even pick me up for a raid since ive never done one on here?
wary thicket
warm wren
I mean, as long as you are clear that you havent done the raid before, and are open to fixing your build, a group is likely to pick you up.
brazen rivet
to piggyback on to that question, i just ask that and specify im new in the raid lfg channel right?
warm wren
Usually if you see a raid you want to join, but havent done/havent done much, just ask "hey, im new, can you look over my build and show me the ropes for the encounters?"
azure fossil
is there any particular reason why i can't donate "Badger Tuff gloves" to Foundry Bulwark project, despite having two in my inv?
they are, high-end & not favorited...
flint iris
Are they crafted?
azure fossil
I'll try a relog, otherwise need to farm for Petrov gloves anyway
azure fossil
off to Jefferson Plaza I go, oh well
worn cargo
Bit of a new player question but it is about the raid. Me and three others were thinking about doing the raids on Normal or Discovery. How difficult would these be with only 4 instead of 8? Me and a buddy had trouble going in 2 man in Operation Dark Hours but we were barely 500 gear score anyway
azure fossil
Does Morozova drop IH key every time, multiple times a week?
@worn cargo they are for 8 people, Discovery is relatively pointless because you don't get loot and some mechanics are missing
worn cargo
I know they're designed for 8 people. Good advice about discovery though
viscid fossil
yeah moro drops key every run
late scarab
Yes, Discovery can be done with 4 people. It'd be more fun to get 4 randoms and do normal, though
tender hollow
The donation stuff shouldn’t be crafted, gotta drop
uneven garden
There is a 4-men IH on YouTube
ivory venture
Have you notice that vanguard on RAID give the bonus armor not only for allies but also for yourself? Is that a RAID bug?
PS: I’ve test it on both RAID and it happen on both
smoky tapir
vanguard is supposed to give it to everyone, thats not a bug. its always worked like that
ivory venture
@smoky tapir not really. It supposed to give bonus armor for all your allies but not for yourself. It only give bonus armor for yourself on RAID (but not on the open world)
smoky tapir
its always given it in the open world and raid. your included in the "allies" equation
ivory venture
Well that is not my understand and it never worked like that to me. Anyway if that is really that correct behavior it does not work on the open world only on RAID so in either way it seems be bugged
coarse plover
what does RV2 mean or 3 see it allot in lfg im new
west spruce
@ivory venture you are right. The vanguard buff is somehow given to you as well in Raid only, but working as per description in open world.
ivory venture
@west spruce yeap just wanna understand if that is expected to happens on the RAID or it’s a bug that I should report
west spruce
@coarse plover RV# -> Raid-Voice channel with corresponding Number
vagrant wing
@ivory venture it's been like this since launch. They had several times to fix it if they wanted to
light yew
Good morning - new to the division discord
Been trying to find this place and none of my team mates was very helpful
young canyon
@azure fossil tbh for others iwas able to craft and donate but badter tuff definitely was not working for me too
iron lake
just want to verify, the dark hours raid... would it be better for all to have good dps builds or having tank/healer/dps in a group makes it easier?
warm ibex
All dps, healer for boss 2+3
iron lake
any specific dps build? rifle/marksman or doesnt matter as long as you deal good damage?
light yew
I am loooking to do the dark hours raid and get the eagle bearer — got two straight dps builds
And I got a hardwired medic healer build that doubles as a decoy booster
Negotiators dilemma is good if doing a rifle build and SMG
uneven garden
It depends on the group @iron lake imo. Generally all DPS, but I’ve run with group that run an FI healer until razorback n in 20/25 mins so
iron lake
Thanks
I’ve seen alot of guide on the raid but can you link me a good and easy guide to follow?
uneven garden
sure like mechanics or builds ?
For builds like many have said here 3pc providence, contractor glove, fox prayers and grupo/CESKA depending on whether your CHC hits 50+. Talents I’d say vigilance and unbreakable to start with
for mechanism I think @west spruce @vagrant wing know them inside out lol
livid lynx
Hey guys, I just came back into the game and was wondering if its easy these days to get a group for a raid? Havent made one yet on PC
lavish ocean
Relatively easy - just keep an eye on #lfg-raid-pc and note the peak times when players are on (evenings, weekends)
livid lynx
Alright thanks, are healing builds useful for any of the raids? Or you recommend full DPS?
slate hawk
Future healer build @livid lynx used for iron horse
livid lynx
Oh thats what I have, sweet then ! thanks @slate hawk
smoky tapir
The Future Healer build is good especially so since when you look at the bonuses, in a world where everyone has the potential for the same damage, FI provides a 15%/25% bonus to each player thus providing essentially a 105/175 bonus thus making up the loss of 1 damage dealer for what is essentially free healing then
rustic wren
whats does RV mean in raid lfg channel ?
late scarab
Raid voice
vagrant wing
You can still shock B&L pretty easily for about 4-6 seconds if you guys interested @viscid fossil @verbal mist
viscid fossil
Oh sweet yeah that should be long enough to chunk them
livid lynx
Thanks @smoky tapir, is the build any good if I play solo? or its really a group thing
warm wren
Future Initiative is best with a group. You wont be doing much damage, but each of your friends will be doing more, equalling your share of damage.
livid lynx
Alright. And what do you think of the Hunters Fury set?
warm wren
Its worth using in certain places, but in others you are better off using a high end build as you wont be able to gain stacks. Best places for a hunters fury build are DH first and second bosses, and iron horse second and fourth bosses. Those encounters are pretty good for hunters, as you'll be able to gain stacks quickly and have enough targets to use the stacks.
And hunter's fury is very good in solo play. Armor on kill, increasing damage, its all very good.
flint iris
Why second boss on dh?
warm wren
Because a HF player can be on dedicated ad duty, and when their stacks are good enough they can switch over to the bosses.
flint iris
That’s one less person focusing on the boss tho
And they only shoot him when they have stacks
warm wren
Its not the best, but it can work
livid lynx
So I guess to clear raids I must really have a good build maxed out then? Damn im so not ready haha
warm wren
Not maxed out, persay, but you'll need to know what does what and what to have.
livid lynx
Should I try the exploration mode before trying normal?
vagrant wing
@livid lynx not really. No. A decent one should be enough. The raids are about communication and mechanics not so much about dmg (there're some vid's out there demonstrate it). High dmg is advisable not a must
warm wren
Nah. Learn the mechanics in the normal raid, as some mechanics are entirely gone in the discovery mode, and it makes the transition into the normal raid much harder on you.
Do read up and watch some of the raid explanation videos, though.
livid lynx
I see.. well If you guys want to do it for fun one day, hit me up, Ill learn and follow your leads how it works 😄
warm wren
You can always look in the Raid LFG chat, just specify that it'll be your first time through
livid lynx
Alright, thanks a LOT for the tips guys, much appreciated
visual harbor
Does anyone know if Foam staggers Mo Mo in the IH raid?
flint iris
Say what
visual harbor
I'm just wondering, but I have a feeling it wont
I know the Hive and nades do, but unsure of foam chem
vagrant wing
@visual harbor explosions only. You can read it in the raid description
visual harbor
Ahh perfect! Thanks!
uneven garden
For DH, what exactly needs happen to endure when weasel drops there is no gas followed by an orange gas phase
azure fossil
how does the exotic components drops for Regulus work, you have to wait for the next raid reset for the boss drop?
amber blaze
Yes first raid of the week per character @azure fossil
You have to put your regulus on another character (not just place it in stash) and when you do the raid each boss will drop an exotic component. Don't forget to get the exotic ignot from the chest at the end
tender hollow
https://ibb.co/W5qhbht
FI DPS Razorback build. I had 50.9 CHC/122 CHD but with OP gear it could be 47 CHC/152 CHD. It was ok. Cannot say its better than a DPS build. We did 5 phase.
azure fossil
@amber blaze I figured as much, thanks
vagrant wing
@uneven garden You need to kill the boss with the purple gas first iirc
verbal mist
You have to kill on the switch . Then no gas on one side
vagrant wing
If you kill after a switch one side will be gas free for couple seconds, that's true. If you want an orange gas afterwards you need to kill the one with the purple gas right after the switch
as far as i remember that is
azure fossil
Regarding IH control room (breaking the glass), what does 100% burn resistance do for you, and what of the tank in foundry room if they have 100% burn resist as well?
vagrant wing
First of all you don't need 100% burn resistance. 91% and above is enough.
Second it prevent you from catch fire (you still take dmg from the heat stacks)
smoky tapir
answered by ^
you can run a tank with vanguard and can keep a lot of the heat damage to blue armor damage
i would still rather run healer then tank up there though, single healer makes is basically free
azure fossil
why 91% ?
smoky tapir
you dont need 100% to cap, most of the negative status effects range from 91-97% to become immune to it
celest nebula
96% is the treshold for all
azure fossil
I see, so it's primarily to prevent the status effect animations locking you out of interactions
vagrant wing
96% is the treshold for all
@celest nebula that's incorrect
celest nebula
Shock only needs like 84% at best
smoky tapir
i know someone's got the list
celest nebula
What needs 97%? I remember poison and disrupt needs 96% at least for immunity
smoky tapir
i think one is 96.4%
azure fossil
whats recommended build for foundry room tank, for Fieser?
smoky tapir
dont "really" need a true tank build for it, decoy will get the attention to get to the water
vagrant wing
That's the "list":
Poison - 96%
Ensnare - 93%
Bleed - 93%
Blind/Deaf - 91%
Burn - 91%
Disorient - 93%
Disrupt - 96%
Shock - 84%
This was tested by one of the community members (i forgot his name) who posted it on reddit
tender hollow
hi there i havent done any of the raids yet and planning on doing this on my next day off from work so my questions are if i was to ask ppl on here if they like to join me do i need to be in there clan or is there away just to play? also what kind of builds would ppl recommend for a person who has never done this. thank you for your time.
azure fossil
@vagrant wing interesting numbers, thanks
icy hull
on the Hzd res numbers FYI its here https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/fkzvlz/tu8_changes_to_hazard_protection_and_status/
vagrant wing
Thanks @icy hull that's what i was looking for
azure fossil
@tender hollow You don't need to be in a clan to raid, you can join any group of random people. Use #lfg-raid-pc and jump in on a LFG for Dark Hours, and be honest that you are new and ask if thats okay (it almost always is for every group). Run a DPS build, typical build is high crit over 50% CHC and over 150% CHD -- run Rifle or AR, whichever you prefer and an LMG for sustained damage on things like boss phase -- Bullet King is excellent, but any proper LMG will do.
You can do healer/tank for the specific roles that require it, but not every encounter requires it and generally the person doing so must know the mechanics well. So it's recommended you just have a nice dps build
tender hollow
@azure fossil thank you i do have a good few dps builds so i am ok with that and i will check out the LFG-raid section tomorrow then on my day off and see what happens
azure fossil
I'd recommend Dark Hours first, mechanically it is easier to understand. Iron Horse can be a bit overwhelming for new players. With Dark Hours you need to be comfortable dealing with juiced up adds (they are like beefy heroic mobs) for most encounters, so play conservatively, stay alive and kill adds -- thats your main role in Dark Hours.
Iron Horse is more mechanics than adds, with everyone having specific roles to follow.
tender hollow
ok yeah i did wanna do the dark hours first tbh it was out first i just never had anyone to play it with really. all the ppl who got the game with me just don't play it no more so i came across this discord and just wanted to see what ppl was like.
hazy obsidian
i need help with dark hour raids
heavy violet
@tender hollow when i began raids... I stuck w DPS for both raids... I would suggest unbreakable for the chest talent so you dont have to be picked up all the time. DH requires all dps for the most part... IH u can still get by. I recommend watching youtube videos so when the leader is giving out roles or commands, you have a good idea of what is being discussed. DH is a lot more n00b friendly imo
tender hollow
ok i was thinking about watching a video on it when i get home tonight so i wont be running around like a headless chicken lol
ionic egret
Is Dilema still glitching the raid?
Used it yesterday.
Third boss had 5 problems to solve before the second phase.
The last boss was not spawning enemies properly and was taking too long for rocket woman to appear
smoky tapir
far as i know, ND has been fixed for IH
the enemy spawn issue on boss4 wasn't related to ND, it just happened randomly
ionic egret
hmmm ok, thanks for the info!
limber slate
got a question, if i only got 4 keys from IH raid, can i go back the same week for another run to get the 5th?
vagrant wing
Yeah. Keys reset every Teusday so until then you can go back and pick up the keys you missed
tender hollow
Is Dilema still glitching the raid?
Used it yesterday.Third boss had 5 problems to solve before the second phase.
The last boss was not spawning enemies properly and was taking too long for rocket woman to appear
@ionic egret Dunno about the last boss of IH and DH, but I've used it at least once since maintenance this week on all other bosses of IH and boss 1 of DH. All other bosses a vanilla DPS is better.
ionic egret
@tender hollow depends... I used it because on the third boss, there are multiple enemies everywhere, specially at the last phase, so I was killing them while the team focused on the boss
tender hollow
^ I agree its awesome for some of the bosses, just as long as your CHD isn't low like 100
tribal jackal
Anyonme wantr tro run with me through Dark Horse? Alsop need help completing the DLC
I am new to PC and M/K.....I would really like to get my character built up
flint iris
Use the raid lfg channels below please @tribal jackal
tribal jackal
sorry Bend
muted horizon
Thought with people asking about builds to bring to raid/what to expect in normal dark hours/iron horse, I'd post a quick sum of what usually is acceptable as composition per boss each raid - note this does not take into account speed runs and cheesing strats - it's the basis on what to bring for an average pug/clan raid progression:
Dark Hours
Boomer/1st boss = 7 red weapon DPS, and either 1 healer (FI suggested for extra boost to dps) or 1 tank rolling vanguard chest/bonus armor to group
Weasel/2nd boss = 5 red weapon DPS (1-2 being sniper/riflemen for sniper add control), 1-2 skill hybrid dps (assault turret/drone/decoy/eclipse foam) for add control, and either 1 tank (rolling vanguard) or 1 healer (again FI preference)
Buddy+Lucy/3rd boss = 7 red weapon DPS, 1 healer if doing fire line strat, otherwise use all red dps for 3/5 split
Razorback/4th boss = 7 red weapon DPS, 1 hardwire or skill build with jammer pulse (drone clear)
Iron Horse
Grey/1st boss = 7 DPS (can be mix of hybrid drone/turret or just red weapon DPS), 1 healer (FI preference)
Fieser/2nd boss = 1 Healer (fixer drone and resto hive) in control room, 1 hazard protection build tank with vanguard rolling on raid, 6 DPS (can be mixed hybrid drone/turret or red weapon DPS)
Williams/3rd boss = 1 healer (FI preference), 1 cc w/ riot foam and/or decoy OR 1 hazard protection build (can be a tank, heal or dps) and 6 DPS (hybrid drone/turret or red weapon dps)
Morozova/4th boss = 1 healer, 1-2 tanks w/ bulwark shields (1 of the two either has sticky explosive, merciless/ravenous for morozova stagger on mechanic) 6-7 dps (can be weapon dps or hybrid drone/turret - note that you can technically stun lock morozova with one of these dpsers using similar as above tank note, but be careful not to push her over armor limits per phase
Hope this helps some of the newer players/groups that are running.
late scarab
Good summary
azure fossil
@fathom crypt you should consider Dark Hours first, tbh
fathom crypt
is it that hard?
azure fossil
its the first raid, mechanically it is simpler
tribal jackal
Someone told me Shock Traps are broken against Boomer and Buddy/Lucy
flint iris
Broken as in?
uncut crypt
Someone told me Shock Traps are broken against Boomer and Buddy/Lucy
@tribal jackal
Was, they patched it. Doesn't work anymore
Lemme rectify my statement.
Doesn't work as effective as it once was before.
vagrant wing
It still works (for B&L at least) before you guys make any statements please test it
tender hollow
Yeah but they only get shocked for a sec or so?
vagrant wing
4-6
Doesn't change the fact that it still works. You can say that's not practical for most groups - and i agree. But saying that it's not working at all - is inaccurate at best and deceiving at worst
fading solar
are ironworks material shared on account ?
tribal jackal
@flint iris used to literally make it so there were 0 mechanics needed for those two encounters
tender hollow
I just wondering, if you put the outcast plague debuff on a raid boss like for example boomer will he take damage or not?
lyric dagger
in Iron Horse 4th boss in the middle when all line up behind shields... why are we always hit with mortars? what do we need to do or not to do to stop this?
I have heard it all from stack up in the back, or don't touch the grass in the back, or do not enter it to early. what is the trigger .. and how not to trigger them mortars?
dapper gyro
Can't avoid it, they just keep firing as they would if you were still outside.
What helps is to place decoys, turrets and such outside before you enter the tunnel.
The airstrike will destroy those, but the mortar targeting has a lil delay and will still target those spots instead in many cases.
uneven garden
It’s just RNG in my experience. Mortar also hit the sandbag area, and staying on the grass doesn’t always get mortared
like the “world tier normal” thingy, just different perception I guess
tender hollow
I have heard it all from stack up in the back, or don't touch the grass in the back, or do not enter it to early. what is the trigger .. and how not to trigger them mortars?
@lyric dagger I dunno for sure. But people say, 1st time you go in you wont get mortared, but after that no one should cross the yellow line until Morozova starts running to the shed/you start seeing the impending yellow mortal symbols on the ground. Also people say that you should not go all the way to the back of the tunnel as this will trigger a mortar in the tunnel as well.
tender hollow
The mortars hitting the under of the tunnel afaik the mortars target the closest person or people who stand still for longest
echo nexus
tender hollow
does anyone know where people look for raid groups on consoles (PS4)?
mint ivy
fading solar
regulus isnt time gated , just read till end
first you have to do a fresh raid run and has to be key run to get the ironworks material , then u make another character and do the raid again since after first run u will have between 31-37 material and need more , from these 2 runs ask ur friend to share any fi or fb gear they dont want so you can donate it, you only need 2 sets so it will be easy to get , then u buy fi and fb from cassie and base and deconstruct for crafting material , then wait for next day for reset and do the raid another time on same character you completed both donation quest on
if you do it right , you can get the pistol in 24 hours or less just have to be efficient with it
also i did that and will get the pistol next reset
tender hollow
anyone have tips on how to disable boomers healing module?
finite timber
shoot his chest when its green
austere isle
Shoot it when it becomes yellow cause you can stop it from getting up
steel thistle
Anyone wanna help me finish dark hours raid? I’m on Razorback
muted horizon
@tender hollow usually assign 2-3 guys that will rotate threat through the turrets and chest on boomer - they kite for each other into 45 and 41 - shooting the chest gives threat to you so be ready to kite if you do this job -
azure fossil
specifically what kind of minimum build do you need to solo control room @ Fieser?
azure fossil
~97% burn resistance, 4pc FI, everything else in repair skills?
flint iris
Burn res just makes it so that you’re not on first for as long when at 100 stacks
Our team did it without any
azure fossil
which is just the fire status effect, preventing you from interacting with anything -- not taking extra damage?
so you can just ride out the fire status effect for as long as it takes at 100 stacks?
flint iris
You should be able to
azure fossil
alright, only concern with that is rockets
appreciate the help, not to keep hammering on with questions but I guess people are using a cheat sheet to quickly do wifi codes, does anyone have a link for that?
muted horizon
@azure fossil and anyone else that wants: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/707383749070946304/752222375482884228/1234.png
first letter per error code pertains to what u read to that link
azure fossil
the very first letter read from within the foundry
I was wondering how tf people were getting by with just saying "F", "P", etc
muted horizon
when the person goes in- after the : read the first letter.. and it relates to what screen is on that cheat sheet link
if it's numbers, do "pound" or "numbers" and control room reads screen 6 picture
azure fossil
appreciated, ty
tender hollow
specifically what kind of minimum build do you need to solo control room @ Fieser?
@azure fossil you can do it without burn resistance. most people do it using their normal FI healer build, which has less skill haste than a non-FI build.
toxic orchid
question about pinning morozova to the trailer for ih, how do you do it?
vagrant wing
@toxic orchid use the explosive/emp sticky when she's kneeling down (after she exit the shack). Then either stand in front of her with your shield or rotate behind her. The EMP timing is crucial here
toxic orchid
will you need to stagger the boss during it or does it lock her out
vagrant wing
You still need to stagger her in the right time
toxic orchid
so you have the shield to block her from moving and you still need to swap to rav or sticky to stagger?
vagrant wing
Pretty much, yeah
It's not so much about the shield as the timing. If you miss the timing - shield or not - she will move
toxic orchid
thanks, ill try it at some point; was just curious
tender hollow
If you have already completed IH on a character for the week (i.e. that character has already opened all chests), does that character get Ironworks Base Materials for crafting, if it opens the final chest again?
vagrant wing
Pretty sure you only get those once a week (you can get them from discovery (if you open the keys chests) tho if you havn't did that this week)
tender hollow
Wow Thanks @vagrant wing .
strong island
if you compleet the ih raid for this week and i do it agian can i still get a foundry pl8 drop? or is that just once week change?
warm wren
Technically you can get more foundry and future peices, just gotta ask your friends.
tender hollow
Looking for a good raid build for Iron Horse or Dark Hours
celest nebula
for DH, a bog standard high end DPS build will mostly do, prep a high skill damage jammer build and a high end tank just in case
warm wren
What build do you wanna run, any specific weapons you want to use in the raid? I can give you a generic build for DPS but thats boring overall.
celest nebula
for IH, you need hazprot tank, DPS, FI healer, and tank with explosion skill of some sort at best
harsh valve
Do you have an Operation Dark Hours party?
agile jungle
@celest nebula for the FI healer, 4 piece minimum? have 3 now, still need Kneepads to get 4pc, then do raids for chestpiece and backpack
celest nebula
4 piece or bust lol
been told that if you are soloing control room get the backpack
flint iris
^
azure fossil
You can do control room without FI tbh, I've done it a few times. Obviously you can because you need to clear the raid in order to complete FI 
but ofc it is better if you have FI for the team dmg buff alone
just alternate between your hive and chems, make sure you have enough hive charges for when you need to hold doors open
flint iris
You could also use drone or ball instead of chems
azure fossil
its more about timing the heals than anything else in my experience
flint iris
I agree
verbal mist
Hazard on control room build .
Personally I recommend . And incoming healing , or repair skills .
I will say something happened recently . The ads in ih got tougher to us . Seems different . Now even though your armor maintains its hitting your health hard . Maybe their is finally a need for health ?
azure fossil
incoming healing doesn't affect your own healing on yourself, afaik
it affects healing received from others
verbal mist
Umm 🤔 you sure about that ?
So if I have incoming healing mod it doesn’t up my heal from my own heal hive ?
flint iris
It’s any healing from skills
azure fossil
someone was very adamant about it on my previous raid, we could both be wrong -- haven't tested it extensively. Generally I would find Repair Skills to be better
flint iris
Incoming repairs increases the repair on armour from any healing skill
brave gull
IH drops any exotic?
verbal mist
My healer build I use repair skills . If I’m for myself only I max out incoming repairs
Ih has chance to drop ravenous at chest and small tiny chance on bosses
azure fossil
10% & ~1% respectively
verbal mist
And if you complete project you can also craft the regulas
azure fossil
is there a general trick to keeping or stealing/peeling Boomer's agro?
likewise for Dizzy, Ricochet, Weasel -- or any staggering mechanic
muted horizon
Boomers threat is based on who kills the chest for healing... sometimes turret gunner will also take threat after breaking bp but chest break is a sure thing
Dizzy Richo and weasel are threat modifier based ... based on dmg done + out of cover + if shield used (added threat multiplier... amd if you have threat you can stand near them and have them spam melee stun ability so their timing on nade launch and sticky nade weasel is off
azure fossil
Thanks a lot, I kind of figured Boomer's main threat was chest -- things get kinda messy when everyone's gunning for the chest
muted horizon
Yea - have lead assign 2 ppl to do chest/turret and kite boss - whoever doesn’t have threat goes to turret while other makes sure chest stays off while kiting
Other 6 clear adds
potent tartan
Regulus is ridiculous with the project. Especially when your trying to find ppl to raid with
I wish they would put the chest piece and backpacks from the raid into the open world....
flint iris
They’d do that when eagle bearer starts dropping in the open world
warm wren
Just reminded me i need to get the foundry bulwark chest for the project, then finish that part to get regulus on tuesday... Ill do it later
muted horizon
@potent tartan they need incentives to have ppl run the raids - if EB regulus and rav dropped in open world no one would be running raids, and if big horn dropped in lower difficulty ppl wouldn’t run legendaries... You’re lucky this discord exists to instantly find raid groups just by joining a voice channel when it starts up
potent tartan
@muted horizon while this is very true. I was lucky to run it with a great group once. I’ve been posting and looking for about 3 weeks and lfg is hard for people because some clans don’t have the people or will to raid. And it sucks. I loved the raid I thought it was fun. I am not lucky I’ve posted I. This group several times and have not gotten a response actually several servers.
I was talking about gear not exotics. They did put the chest and backpack from DH in the open world so, eventually, I’m assuming the same for IH.
@warm wren I feel it. Me too. And the backpack lol
warm wren
Yea, im running IH rn for a chance for the chest, lol
smoky moss
I just need future initiative chest and I actually gave that away to someone in my last run a few hours ago because I thought it was the bulwark chest I needed and not the FI one smh
tender hollow
People who farmed last boss for either exotic don’t deserve the weapon and i have no respect for them
IH time it takes to run 5 last bosses you can obtain all 5 keys
2nd boss can be done in 6 mins no speed running and 3rd boss 1 min ish saved skipping fire phase and 2 mins releasing lava same time
dense pendant
what do we need for IH ?
potent tartan
I have enough base materials for future initiative but the project won’t finish. Idk why.
smoky tapir
You have to donate them
late seal
@tender hollow alot people finish the entire raid once per week, like me alot people farm the final boss after bec we want additional chances for the chest. you cant farm the other bosses for keys. plus regulus u need to run the entire raid atleast twice to get it.
unkempt sparrow
any raid with lvl 30
unique shoal
People who get hissy over last boss farm are pathetic. As avenger said if you already done the raid and collected keys for the weekly what else is there to do? You HAVE to farm last boss for keys. You cannot get anymore on the same tune until next week.
I dont do last boss farm personally cos I find it boring but I understand if people wanna farm it for exotic. More power to them.
humble solar
Just irritating when you're looking for people and they say they have X amount of clears and they're experienced, but have no idea how to do any of the other 3 bosses.
vagrant wing
That's another big problem. You can have a guy who done it 3-4 times but every time on different role and know the raid better than a guy who done it 20 times as DPS only who doesn't know anything else
humble solar
If they took away the getting a clear from camping boss 4, then i got no problem.
crisp merlin
Can someone give me a short summary of builds to make for IH?
azure fossil
@round cloak @main flower He can LFG for what he wants, but general advice is just to do a normal raid -- jump in on a group thats filling up, just be honest that you are new and 99 times out of 100 the group is more than fine with that.
Discovery is very weird. The mobs are very easy and its missing mechanics which makes zero sense
humble solar
@crisp merlin 2 dps builds if your new, 1 undreakable and 1 pgc or focus for boss 1. A healer consisting of 4pc FI when you get the pieces(come from the raid). 1 tank build and 1 tank/hzd build.
All fairly easy stuff to get besides the healer build since you have to do the raid to get them
median raptor
Hey what are the minimum stats for DH?
azure fossil
An average dps build is fine for DH, just be comfortable clearing adds. 50% CHC / ~150% CHD is fine for red crit builds. Someone will always have Coyote's Mask in a raid. Don't bother with something like Glass Cannon, use an Unbreakble chest to cover your mistakes
1 Tank with Perfect Vanguard is nice to have to cover people's butts with 1mil bonus armor, someone with a Tardigrade is nice too. A healer isn't always necessary but its nice if you have plenty of dps, a healer with BTSU, healing hive & jammer pulse is pretty nice at Boss 4
vagrant wing
Hey what are the minimum stats for DH?
@median raptor There's is non. Generally speaking if you can do heroic content by yourself as a DPS you're good
EDIT: technically you need to be GS 485 and above
median raptor
Okay
Well luckily I can
I run a solo legendary built around the chameleon
I just though I might have to switch ars, which fucks my build up
So I thought I might have to create a new build
Thought*
vagrant wing
On both raids you'd tendto engage at mid range so do adjustments if you need to
azure fossil
Adler is right though, there is no minimum requirement. To be honest, the raids are much easier than they were before because post-WoNY players are extremely powerful now. So even an "average dps" is leagues above a "good dps" pre-WoNY
even really min-maxed builds prior to this were struggling at times
icy hull
most important thing is "know what to do"
smoky tapir
^ basically, a low stat build can even clear just fine if you kwtd.
vagrant wing
Adler is right though, there is no minimum requirement. To be honest, the raids are much easier than they were before because post-WoNY players are extremely powerful now. So even an "average dps" is leagues above a "good dps" pre-WoNY
@azure fossil what what what? where's my ones shot nemi build? my bleed build? my AR spotter build? my seeker build? I'm sorry i have to disagree on that one. Agents PRE-WoNY where much much more powerful
crisp merlin
Yeah I’d disagree too. Explosive damage as a stat was insane
azure fossil
If you say so, there were some broken builds but adds were harder to deal with pre-wony from my experience
humble solar
Put a berserk clutch build against anybuild we got now, clutch for the win
azure fossil
What I mean is the average player is extremely powerful relative to the average player pre-wony, barring busted meta builds that they've since fixed or nerfed
vagrant wing
It was for the meme @azure fossil no harm intended. But yeah PRE - WoNY you felt way more powerful imo
azure fossil
Nah you're good lol, its just a difference of perspective. I think since WoNY more people have done the raids too
humble solar
Pre wony was amazing
vagrant wing
Nah you're good lol, its just a difference of perspective. I think since WoNY more people have done the raids too
i'd argue on that too due to the shrinking size of the community. But hey i don't like to complain 😆
azure fossil
well it is what it is, pop is still pretty healthy all considered
the only games that usually "grow" are free to play or freemium games like Warframe or ESO
normal mirage
GeNsHiN iMpAcT
tender hollow
Ask “does team kwtd?”
If they ignore it or ask what does kwtd means they’ll be in raid for long time
late scarab
Oh boy, I'm going to get called a casual again. What does kwtd stand for?
flint iris
Know what to do
unique shoal
@late scarab bloody casual
tender hollow
anyone for the first raid?
flint iris
Use the lfg channels for raid lfgs please. This is for raid discussions
alpine sequoia
tbh if you rage and leave a raid channel going to another channel right after is just gonna bring their group down
warm ibex
tbh some groups wont ever complete the raid! If people are prepared just a short amount of player will leave a raid
restive herald
Is there any news of dark hours being shelved?
warm wren
no, why?
restive herald
Someone was discussing that in another server. Just wanted to check
They have the wrong info I guess
azure fossil
why would DH be shelved?
late scarab
They are probably confusing Division 2 with Destiny 2, which is another shooter that is shelving their earlier raids in a couple weeks
soft arrow
lol destiny is boring now they are just remaking old content and gear all the time
undone cradle
Do you know if there are people who completed Iron Horse in Hardcore? Also, is there a commendation for it, like there is for the Dark Hours?
amber blaze
there isn't hence why nobody has bothered
peak siren
so, is there still DH raids here?
gaunt grail
unique shoal
IH Raid is so easy you can do them 6 man. If you fail 8 man, your group sucks so bad, maybe even you.
drowsy totem
verbal mist
😂 350 lvl 30 dh clears , 46 ih clears . It’s so funny when people post things like this .
tender hollow
But then have no clue on what to do. How hard is it to watch a 20 min YT guide to completing IH
I remember being in a sherpa run where the carry wouldnt listen on 2nd or 4th boss
2nd boss he didnt bother using a sweet dreams instead using raw dps to kill purple and went down even though control room wasnt on fire
4th boss he used to ignore ads, using the pestilence on morzova causing her to go immune and wiping us
late scarab
Magnet, you always use unique terminology... What's a "carry" in a Division 2 raid? I thought a carry was the ranged DPS on a DOTA/LOL team.
empty helm
Anyone having problems on boss 3 with valves being bugged and unable to be shot?
unique shoal
Carry is when someone is just there to make up numbers, does not contribute damage, does not know any or little mechanics, does not listen when told to go from blue to red build.
Carry is generally a waste of space and is a time waster
New guys ok, but don't comin in new if you cannot ATLEAST contribute damage wise.
late scarab
Ty
warm wren
A carry is just a sherpa that doesnt do their job
alpine sequoia
Carry is generally a waste of space and is a time waster
@unique shoal then why run a raid with them?
twin ember
Carry is when someone is just there to make up numbers, does not contribute damage, does not know any or little mechanics, does not listen when told to go from blue to red build.
i'm pretty fking sure when i'm carrying i'm like the only one doing any kind of mechanic while guys getting carried are perma-afk behind cover just killing ads
unique shoal
@alpine sequoia I dont wanna run with them, but I guess what? There are dishonest people in the world. When I ask for exp they come in pretending they are exp. When I ask for dps they come in rainbow shit. When I wanna kick I will get called toxic. These days I dont care anymore, I will kick these people anyway. But the guy asked what a carry is, I obliged with a definition.
alpine sequoia
Well I get that, I've been in groups where someone says dps and it's just random rainbow gear, so I understand that part
unique shoal
@twin ember difference between carry and carrying. Carry label is applied to the people i described. Carrying is when you do the carry of said players
alpine sequoia
As far as mechanics go tbh I dont even know the full mechanics myself I just run a full red and I know specific sections on iron horse that i know what to do on
Like B entrance in the crucible etc
unique shoal
@alpine sequoia thats fine if you have done like 15 or less full clears but if you have done 100+ clears only doing one thing, I feel that's kinda bad. I get sometimes not wanting to do a certain role becuase u wanna try a new dps build etc. But true exp is knowing all roles.
alpine sequoia
Oh nah it's been literally 10 or so clears but my deal is I understand gear checks because running with dishonest people can get kind of annoying, but then theres really elitist people that try to kick me for having the sacrifice on when I go down maybe once the whole raid to getting foamed in the furnace while everyone else shit talking is constantly downed, it comes off as pretentious when I'm obviously doing better and they just assume its a casual
unique shoal
I dont mind people running sacrifice as long like you maybe only go down once or twice. Also if you don't complain that heals dont work on you then run whatever you want. I run sacrifice on boss 1, but don't on any other boss cos I dont think its worth it. But as I said people should do what works for them as long as they contribute meaningfully.
alpine sequoia
I feel like as long as someone can solo a chungus then the dps is fine it's when they struggle with normal ads I understand you wouldnt want them in the run if you want to get it done in a reasonable time
unique shoal
I've run a sacrifice on boss 3 on 6 man raid iron horse so its not like you can't use that talent.
alpine sequoia
Yeah I know I use it all the time, it's only annoying when some 100+ shd player tells you you cant run because of that one talent