division-universe

[cyan path]

I mean Hyenas get slaughtered left and right by Division and Civilian Militias and yet they act like the cockiest pieces of shit in the game.

At least I would appreciate it if they had fear voicelines like "Oh fuck it's that Division agent!"

or "Oh no it's them! Kill them before they slaughter us!"

[steel radish]

We dismantled their leadership and they still come after us

I doubt they’d care about a somewhat remote skyscraper

[open crest]

How come none of the factions have got together and are like. Anyone else notice this 1-4 man Army slaughtering us in the thousands?

[mint citrus]

I like to think that eventually they attempted to pull together

But that there was a lot of infighting and conflict

[spiral turtle]

I mean that how the lore went for resistance in div 1

So I wouldn’t be surprised if something similar happened in div 2 at some point

[cyan path]

True Sons, Hyenas and Outcasts could never work together.

[open crest]

Is there a lore reason for the outcast suicide Bois?

[cyan path]

Probably, Black Tusk might use one faction or another to achieve a goal

They're infected with Green Poison and won't be alive for much longer, so they go out with a boom @open crest

[open crest]

Ahh ok

[spiral turtle]

True Sons, Hyenas and Outcasts could never work together.
@cyan path the same thing could've been said about cleaners/rikers/lmb/rioters in div 1

and you see how that turned out

[open crest]

Yeah we've basically done to all the div2 factions what we did do div1

[spiral turtle]

they all equally hated each other in div 1 but they realized division wasn't going away so they knew they needed to find a common enemy

thus the reason they started working together

[cyan path]

Ok, maybe the Hyenas and True Sons, but not the Outcasts definitely, those people are even more fanatical than the cleaners, they won't ally with any other factions.

[open crest]

But their nutjob leader is dead now

[spiral turtle]

^

they don't have anyone to tell them to continue her legacy or whatever

so therefore they could theoretically bond with another faction over a common enemy

[open crest]

Yeah, I feel like they'd be pretty lost without mccrazyface screaming at them all the time

[spiral turtle]

cleaners in div were psychopaths when ferro was alive

and then he dies

they fall apart and bond with the other factions

the same theme is shared between all the factions in both games

so it very well could happen

[cyan path]

Ferro wasn't as crazy as Vivian was, bitch always blows herself up.

[spiral turtle]

i was referring ferro to outcast leader

vivian wasnt much of a leader

[cyan path]

I know, just commenting on the psycho levels of ferro and vivian.

[spiral turtle]

just a power hungry bitch who got brainwashed by the cleaners after she went rogue

ferro wanted his mission done from the start of the virus

he was never brainwashed like conley

[open crest]

Isn't it weird how of all the factions Keener got tight with it was the cleaners

[spiral turtle]

he started it as a form of revenge for his dead wife

[open crest]

Meanwhile he's making super bioweapon 2.0

[spiral turtle]

not really

[cyan path]

Didn't he have a child too?

[spiral turtle]

yes

his kid died too iirc

[open crest]

Aww. So no lil.baby ferro revenge arc?

[cyan path]

Nope

[spiral turtle]

virus killed his kid shortly after or shortly before his wife

im pretty sure

[cyan path]

Besides most people think the Div 1 player died or went rogue in NYC somewhere between Div 1 and div 2.

[open crest]

Season 5: Import Div1 characters and go rogue permanently

[spiral turtle]

Isn't it weird how of all the factions Keener got tight with it was the cleaners
@open crest

i guess it isnt very surprising because in some sense, the cleaners are the most logical hostile faction

if you compare them to the others

they actually have a somewhat decent end goal

[cyan path]

Yeah, they may be fanatical flamethrower loving psychos, but at least they aren't disrespectful and ruthless criminals.

[spiral turtle]

but they let the power of freedom and lawlessness get in their heads and prevent them from fully committing to their goal

Yeah, they may be fanatical flamethrower loving psychos, but at least they aren't disrespectful and ruthless criminals.
@cyan path

yeah but ferro made them that way after the said power and lawlessness got to his head

and the division stepping in his way

claiming that they are doing good

because his overall purpose isnt wrong

fire and extreme temperature will break down any viral strain

thats just basic virology

[cyan path]

True, the problem comes when it is time to decide between burning an infected person alive

Or a community for that matter

[spiral turtle]

Outcasts are eco-terrorists just seeking revenge, hyenas are just gangs taking advantage of no government, true sons are domestic terrorists, rikers are escaped convicts, black tusk is borderline ok, but suffer from corruption imo

yeah thats kinda the blurred line with their plan

like its logical in some sense

[cyan path]

Eh, I get a feeling that Black Tusk wants to dominate the United States and then move on to the world

[spiral turtle]

but in the next sense, your destroying people that could potentially be healed

cleaners seem to want to create a new world ig

[cyan path]

My understanding is that they want to "purify" it from the disease

[spiral turtle]

Eh, I get a feeling that Black Tusk wants to dominate the United States and then move on to the world
@cyan path

but thats what i mean, i don't think all of them want that, thats part of the institutional corruption that i believe exists

bardon doesn't seem like all that bad of a guy

its his superiors that make him bad

[cyan path]

He's just following orders, and he got in the way of the Division

[spiral turtle]

based on some voice logs he seems to somewhat respect the division and its the higher ups that are wanting them taken care of

i don't even want to kill him

which is why this manhunt is dumb

[cyan path]

That's unfortunate, Imagine he betrays Black Tusk and takes a platoon with him to the White House.

[spiral turtle]

they create bardon as the half bad half good guy

[cyan path]

And joins the JTF

[spiral turtle]

and its just "oh lets kill him"

[cyan path]

Wasted opportunity

[spiral turtle]

this manhunt makes less sense than hornet imo

just part of massive half-assing a story

[cyan path]

Hornet was already nonsensical to me because I swear to god if I didn't fill his head with bullets in the Russian consulate every time he shows his dumbass up

[spiral turtle]

Support Stations work wonders apparently

Season 5 Manhunt: Joe Ferro

[cyan path]

No, that would put the actual effectiveness of the Div 1 agent in serious doubt

Guy/woman can't kill shit if Joe Ferro comes back.

[spiral turtle]

Just give him another support station and the healing trap

[cyan path]

Support Stations op

[spiral turtle]

balans

[cyan path]

Now I see why only Black Tusk has them

[spiral turtle]

the true pain was pre-nerf black tusk healing stations

when it healed tech and wasn't limited to how many times it could heal the support guy

[cyan path]

Oh no

Yeah, warhounds already give me nightmares, the sight of one of those shits regaining health is horrific

[spiral turtle]

it was hell

tbh the minitanks are worse than warhounds

i dont understand their mechanics at all

[cyan path]

Grenades and a machine gun

[spiral turtle]

sometimes it stops moving and shooting when the controller dies and other times the controller dies and it just sits there endlessly shooting

they are an absolute nightmare on legendary

[cyan path]

And I swear to god, I've seen those things survive without their controller just because another one was present in the gunfight

[spiral turtle]

they are the sole reason i haven't finished summit

[cyan path]

EMP sure comes in handy

[spiral turtle]

i use my foundry tank build on those floors

so i dont have an emp

[open crest]

Isn't Parnell spot on about the division working for corruption though, so are we really the good guys

[spiral turtle]

but even then, they only stay emp'd for like 2 secs

i wasn't opposed to his idea

stares intensely at huntsman

[cyan path]

Maybe, maybe not, there's the possibility thar Parnell was spewing out bullshit to try to make the agent turn on the division and join Keener

[spiral turtle]

thats what kelso pointed out

but he's not completely wrong and Huntsman proved that

[cyan path]

Who's Huntsman?

[spiral turtle]

considering he was a division recruiter and turned

season 2 manhunt target

[cyan path]

Oh right I already forgot about that guy

[spiral turtle]

division recruiter turned rogue

iirc he was the one that passed keener, hornet, and kelso

although i have no issue with kelso

[cyan path]

Kelso is a good agent

She's like Lau, but doesn't turn bitter and betrays us

[spiral turtle]

i am a certified Kelso simp 😃

[cyan path]

Kelso is definitely worth simping for

Girl actually goes out to help you, only in like 3 missions, but she helps, and doesn't die or go rogue like the other NPC div agents

[spiral turtle]

Kelso in the WONY opening cinematic

[cyan path]

Kelso for president 2020

[spiral turtle]

vouch

[cyan path]

Fuck Andrew Ellis, he a pussy and a traitor to the nation

[open crest]

Traitor to who, all the dead people?

[spiral turtle]

pretty much

still a dick

[cyan path]

Let me correct myself though: not a pussy, he disarmed a Hyena and started shooting like a madlad

But still an asshole

[open crest]

I mean he's always running away though

As far as I can tell his only real usefulness is being a puppet for the BT

[cyan path]

Yeah

Anyways I'm always wondering how many division agents are out there that aren't dead or rogue

There can't be many

But the few that remain must be really battle hardened

[open crest]

What about non rogue defectors. There must be some of them

[cyan path]

You mean people like Odessa Sawyer?

[open crest]

More.. hermit like.

[cyan path]

I don't know

[open crest]

Like, not aligned with anyone really.

Just sort of living day to day

[cyan path]

Some rogue agents are like that

[lean wedge]

wouldn't defecting count you as rogue?

going off the mission and that

[spiral turtle]

odessa isnt a defector tho

she stopped because of injury

and created theater

[cyan path]

They said "fuck this shit I'm out" and went rogue to survive

[open crest]

Isaacs idea of rogue seems a little strict

[spiral turtle]

She was injured in a fight against hyenas with kelso and proceeded to stop/retire for the sake of her inury and her daughter

[cyan path]

Quoting Ortega, he can be a "piece of shit wristwatch"

[spare arrow]

Still my favorite line, man

[spiral turtle]

hence why the hyenas went after her daughter because they figured it would draw her out into the field again so they could kill her

[cyan path]

I'm interested in ANNA though, the AI of the rogue network

[spiral turtle]

personally i love the fact that manny uses a white knight to symbolize kelso on the map

manny a fucking simp

[cyan path]

Who wouldn't simp for Kelso though

[spiral turtle]

but shiiii can you blame him tho 👀

kelso a baddie

[sterile star]

This might be tiptoeing on the rules but did y’all hear about the data mines for the season 3 voice lines?

[spiral turtle]

yes

most everyone who doesn't drastically care about it being spoiled has heard about them

[sterile star]

Im not sure whether or not they’re actually gonna add lore to the hunters or use them as a piece of cork to fill in the lore

[spiral turtle]

also thats why this channel exists

hence the name spoilers

[sterile star]

yeah but i dunno if talking about data mines is good or not, my bad

[spiral turtle]

most people talk about leaks and datamines in here

[sterile star]

I don’t talk on this server much, but it’s good to know now lol

[cyan path]

I really want to know the reason for the existence of hunters, even if they turn out to be rogue agents who turned psycho and collect watches as sort of a point system for confirmed kills

[spiral turtle]

hence why we knew the details about raid 2 and summit like wayyyyyy before they came out

part of me wants them to be kept a secret but i also want to know more

and itll be a big missed opportunity if massive doesn't at least do a little bit more with them

[sterile star]

Well I mean the whole black tusk payroll thing makes it so the Wave 3 theory is gone

Which brings the hunters back to being a nondescript hole in the lore

[spiral turtle]

because there was an apparel event last season that involved them briefly, there's now a gear set regarding them, there is one in the shade bounty etc

[cyan path]

I watched a Youtube video about Hunters and one of the theories is that they could be russian special forces, or mercenaries

[cold bramble]

bardon schaffer works with hunters

[sterile star]

Russian special forces doesn’t make sense, there is no other mention of them anywhere in the entirety of the lore, and the only thing involving Russia is Tcherneko

[spiral turtle]

i could honestly see it as a combined 3rd wave but on black tusk payroll type of deal

bardon schaffer works with hunters
@cold bramble

not exactly

that hasn't been confirmed yet

[open crest]

Whatchu talking about. In Div1 ISAC is always saying Russians nearby

[sterile star]

It has in the data mined voice lines

[cold bramble]

it got leaked at the end of season 3 where you kill bardon he talks to a hunter and sends the hunter to kill you

[spiral turtle]

oh

i mustve missed that

[sterile star]

All of the rogue agents are either being chased by or working with hunters

Bardon’s boss fight includes hunters as well I think

[spiral turtle]

i think i heard something relating to it but didn't get all the details

i knew that much

[open crest]

Hunters are robots sent back in time..

[sterile star]

^^^ best theory

[open crest]

Oh sorry wrong franchise

[spiral turtle]

normally i fucking hate spoilers, but there's so much lore and details when it comes to division that i don't care anymore lmao

[cyan path]

The fact they don't talk at all makes them seem more like psychos honestly

Or really focused soldiers

[sterile star]

Part of me believes massive just thought they were cool and don’t have lore for them

[spiral turtle]

i feel like you need shit spoiled so that you know wtf is going on half the time

[sterile star]

^^^

[spiral turtle]

thats how much damn lore is in this game lol

[cyan path]

True

[sterile star]

The lore not even in the game has so much impact that it’s better to know it to get a grasp

Like books and things of the sort

[spiral turtle]

Part of me believes massive just thought they were cool and don’t have lore for them
@sterile star

did someone say fan service

imma be deadass for a sec

hunters were a lot more terrifying before people came up with theories about them

now they're just confusing

[open crest]

Rule of cool is always the no1 motivator in game dev

[cyan path]

The aura of mistery gave them that effect

[spiral turtle]

people should've just let massive do their thing

[sterile star]

yeah

Well holdup you can’t blame the community for speculating

[spiral turtle]

im not saying that

it just made them more confusing rather than terrifying

i mean they are still scary

but not the level of terrifying when they made their debut at the end of the survival trailer

best faction reveal in history of games dont @ me

[cyan path]

You got people saying they were a 3rd wave of div agents tasked with cleaning up the mess in NYC, 2nd wave agents included, russian soldiers, LMB spec ops

Shit got all over the place

[spiral turtle]

^^^^

[sterile star]

That was a theory I liked, but without the mess of LMB

[spiral turtle]

its not necessarily the theories not making sense

[sterile star]

Just simple 3rd wave coming in to fix shit

[spiral turtle]

but more the fact that they all got jumbled together

[sterile star]

But then in all theories there’s so many holes

[spiral turtle]

that sorta ruined the aspect

[cyan path]

I like the 3rd wave theory meaning that the division isn't what we really thought it is and Theo Parnell was sort of right about the corruption

But it got debunked

[spiral turtle]

bro

what if

[open crest]

How did it get debunked?

[spiral turtle]

hunters are korean special forces

[sterile star]

They’re working with BTSU

[spiral turtle]

[cyan path]

👀

[spiral turtle]

because vigil from R6

[sterile star]

A direct threat to SHD and essentially national threats

[cyan path]

Possibly lmao, Korean spec ops do love to use ballistic masks

[sterile star]

Don’t give Ubi ideas with bringing in R6

[spiral turtle]

[cyan path]

Please do

[spiral turtle]

Hunters are just Caveira clones

[sterile star]

There are no proper theories anymore

[cyan path]

We need Thatcher yeeting EMP grenades all over the place while fighting Black Tusk

[sterile star]

They can’t be russian, because there isn’t any mention of Russians except tchernenko and one of the hunters have a USMC tattoo

[spiral turtle]

We need Thatcher yeeting EMP grenades all over the place while fighting Black Tusk
@cyan path

so you mean black tusk medics

[cyan path]

And warhounds

[sterile star]

They can’t be 3rd wave, unless that means that up to the top the directors of SHD were corrupt and working with black tusk all along

Also how come we never hear from the cores in game?

[cyan path]

Black Tusk: has tech

Thatcher: real shit?

Legendary Black Tusk: laser sight on every weapon

Thatcher: ASCENDED

[sterile star]

You’d think that since your agent basically single handedly dismantled 5 factions and is fighting off black tusk that there’d be some sort of “Hey good job” from the cores

[spiral turtle]

The Marine Raider Regiment, formerly known as the Marine Special Operations Regiment (MSOR), is a special operations force of the United States Marine Corps, part of Marine Corps Special Operations Command (MARSOC). @sterile star 👀

[sterile star]

MARSOC do exist yes

[spiral turtle]

from a 3 sec google search

they are like the top division in the marines

[sterile star]

Yes

[spiral turtle]

[sterile star]

Im aware what MARSOC is

[spiral turtle]

Hunters are Marsoc

[sterile star]

That’s too simple of a solution imo

[cyan path]

Would justify their use of an axe to execute people

[sterile star]

And they have no crayons on them, so I doubt it

[spiral turtle]

bUt ThE mArInE tAtToO

lmfao

[cyan path]

No crayons? That's reason enough to be expelled from the marine corps

[sterile star]

Exactly

[spiral turtle]

dishonorable discharge

[sterile star]

I just hope we get some things cleared up this season

Who knows, maybe next season the manhunt will be hunting the hunters

[cyan path]

Hunters have not shown any signs of an organized hierarchy yet

They just, appear somewhere and if there's an agent within a 500m radius of them their eyes glow red and they instantly go to kill said agent

[spiral turtle]

Who knows, maybe next season the manhunt will be hunting the hunters
@sterile star

wouldn't make sense for hunters to have direct ties to Lau imo

but who knows

now that they are working with BT

https://tenor.com/view/real-shit-isleep-shaq-triggered-woke-gif-17504394

^ hunters when they see an agent

[cyan path]

^^Hunters when an agent enters a 5 mile radius within their position

[spiral turtle]

^^^Hunters when an agent loads into Division whatsoever

[cyan path]

^^^^Hunters when the Division exists

[spiral turtle]

kek

[cyan path]

nice

[spiral turtle]

chef's kiss perfection

it's ok @sharp vessel you can come back now

[sharp vessel]

💋

[round sinew]

@sterile star Thank you. I've mentioned this before. What the fuck is happening in the HQs?

And why is the ISAC mainframe in DC and not at the HQs?

[sterile star]

Yeah the only time Cores are mentioned is in the Dark Horse book if I’m correct

[spiral turtle]

i still havent read any of the division books

pain

[sterile star]

That I assume is for, in game, being able to activate it and feel special. In lore, I’d assume so the public can’t track the cores

[round sinew]

And if there are mainframes there, why is ISAC not made to be redundant like everything else the Division is made to survive?

[sterile star]

@spiral turtle Read New York Collapse, it’s fucking amazing

If you’re going to read them for a good book primarily and lore secondly, read New York Collapse

[round sinew]

Like it makes no sense. SHD is made from the ground up to survive literally any calamity. Agents can even survive technically if all 3 HQs take a nuke. Why is ISAC so vulnerable?

[spiral turtle]

I wanted to buy all the books but my mom was like "nO, yOu NeEd To Do SoMeThiNg BeSiDes GaMeS"

[cyan path]

for real, the DC node got invaded by Hyenas

[spiral turtle]

and im just like

https://tenor.com/view/weird-champ-weird-champ-pogchamp-pog-gif-13780848

[round sinew]

Broken Dawn is nice.

Gives a lot of info on how agents operate.

[sharp vessel]

I would’ve believed it a little more if black tusk got to ISAC

But literal 4head gang bangers did

[round sinew]

I think that's a conspiracy

[spiral turtle]

hyenas arent even 4Head

[round sinew]

I can't be convinced Hyenas took out 20 Division agents.

[spiral turtle]

hyenas a like 2Head

[sterile star]

I have Broken Dawn, I just haven’t had the motivation to read it

[cyan path]

Like bruh, some Antifa knockoff 21 year olds got to the server room of a secret agency

[sterile star]

I have heard it reveals some cool tricks BT have up their sleeve though

[round sinew]

Or Outcasts in that bunker.

[spiral turtle]

i still refuse to believe the logic of the bunker mission

[vapid light]

I guess not all agents are rolling up in end game gear.

[spiral turtle]

no way outcasts killed all those div agents

[round sinew]

You can't sit here and tell me Outcasts wiped out an entire base of Division agents.

[sharp vessel]

I mean there is a comm that talks about BT arming the hyenas but even then.

That’s just guns

And equipment

[sterile star]

No I’m talking about BT changing Rogue agents back to Active agents

[spiral turtle]

at this point if they say true sons were supplying outcasts with equipment i wouldnt be surprised whatsoever

[cyan path]

Or Oucasts taking out an entire Division squad, which is impossible according to Manny

Manny have you ever been suppressed by Outcast machineguns while their tanks and suicide bombers are rushing you, and the snipers are shooting explosive arrows at you?

[round sinew]

8 agents can canonically derail the entirety of Black Tusk in DC. But a dozen and a half agents can't protect a bunker against Jihadis?

[sharp vessel]

Oh. I know they can stop an agent from being designated rogue by ISAC

[sterile star]

Manny just wants to go to the toy store, don’t bully him

[spiral turtle]

Or Oucasts taking out an entire Division squad, which is impossible according to Manny

Manny have you ever been suppressed by Outcast machineguns while their tanks and suicide bombers are rushing you, and the snipers are shooting explosive arrows at you?
@cyan path

this hit me on more than a personal level

Manny just wants to go to the toy store, don’t bully him
@sterile star

he needs more white knight figures for kelso

[round sinew]

1-4 agents can clear the bunker, but you're telling me 20 couldn't hold it in the first place?

No, nope. This is a spook

[cyan path]

Like I said, fucking outcasts machineguns , tanks and bombers

[round sinew]

I demand Massive explain this.

Because Hunters or BT or someone else had to be involved

[spiral turtle]

also the fact that some of the agents were hanging from the ceiling like, i dont know, trophies

looks a bit familiar

[round sinew]

And the fact there's no other bodies.

[sharp vessel]

One could argue they might’ve buried their own dead but they don’t seem the type

[round sinew]

You're telling me the Outcasts either picked up their dead or took 0 casualties?

[spiral turtle]

maybe the used all rushers

[cyan path]

Rusher spam op

^every Div agent to ever face the Outcasts

[round sinew]

Maybe it was an inside job? A rogue let them in while everyone else was sleeping.

[cyan path]

Too much ruckus for it being a surprise attack

[round sinew]

That would be a better explanation than "random crazies take out super advanced and talented badasses no problem"

[sharp vessel]

No one can convince me Keener, BT, or hunters were not involved in any mass genocide of division agents that also didn’t see massive casualties on the enemy side

[spiral turtle]

maybe outcasts and underground are working together

[cyan path]

Underground mofos do be deadly tho

those semi auto FALs are insane

[spiral turtle]

secret tunnel system that leads into the bunker

??

[round sinew]

In other Tom Clancy shit, the only time a slaughter of that level happens to the good guys, it's usually because a nuclear weapon was used.

[sharp vessel]

Hunters did it bet

[sterile star]

@round sinew there are bodies in the bunker

It’s the shitty civilian militia asset with a watch slapped on

[cyan path]

You would think that with all the shit that happens to the division, their already highly trained agents would be so battle hardened the entire Russian military would be needed to tackle 30 of them but no

[round sinew]

Division agents really do die by the truckload in canon

We're expendable af

[sterile star]

Well there’s hundreds of thousands of us lol

Just get this server to raid the black tusk HQ

[cyan path]

Y'all know the agents who where with you at the start of Div 2?

[round sinew]

Fr how many division agents are there? Is it like 1 for every million people? 1 for every 100k people?

There certainly do seem to be a lot of dead ones, and all the survivors seem to be rogue.

[cyan path]

depends, their numbers can't be high since they only search for the best of the best

[round sinew]

They're also supposed to be, y'know, secret.

[cyan path]

given that in the two games, it is a maximum of 4 agents causing all these troubles to multiple armies of trained soldiers, criminals with military hardware, and fanatical terrorists

with the only exception being the raids, the number of agents increase to 8 in those

in the second game

[round sinew]

I always figured the entirety of SHD is under 10,000 people, including R&D and administration

[cyan path]

12 player raids when

let's take on two battle tanks, fuck it

[spiral turtle]

16 player double Fieser battle version of iron horse when @cyan path

[cyan path]

Never done a raid before, what kind of bs boss is that

[spiral turtle]

look him up on YT

actually 2nd most annoying boss out of both raids

first is Major williams

also part of iron horse

[round sinew]

Iron Horse in general is cancer

Raids in general are cancer

[spiral turtle]

agreed

[sharp vessel]

yeah not a fan, personally.

[spiral turtle]

i stopped bothering trying to get ravenous and regulus

i opened box probably a combined 100 times between my groupmates and hardly got any of the exclusive pieces and never got ravenous to drop for someone who already had it to give it to me

[gaunt grail]

Are there any good pics of the Cross Roads hunter dead? I saw one set on reddit but if there's any others to check that'd be gucci

[sharp vessel]

which one is the cross roads

i just ape run at things and shoot them

[gaunt grail]

Cross Roads is the name of the bounty for Shade, manhunt target. A Hunter spawns about halfway thru it

[sterile star]

You can kill it? I didn’t put out enough DPS in time when I did it

[open crest]

I didn't even notice it when I did it until it poofed away.

[spiral turtle]

you dont kill him

[open crest]

Some people claimed to have killed him

[spiral turtle]

you can get him all the way down but he poofs away anyways

yeah thats bs

i shot him all the way to where his health bar wasn't showing and he still poofed away

[open crest]

What a tease

[cyan path]

I didn't even encounter the hunter

and Shade glitched out of the world when I went for her during my bounty

[gaunt grail]

He's killable. I got him with 6R Hunter's Fury. I switched it to normal and tossed a shock trap at the spawn door, then melted him before he could do anything.

The tattoos on the reddit post weren't the same as the WONY ones, I wanted to see if they were the same for everyone. My kill folded up too weird for me to see it well, but he did have a kukri on his back (in addition to the axe, weirdly enough)

[open crest]

No

[spring bison]

@ember trail no posting of personal content

[ember trail]

ight

[spiral turtle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/j3u77b/theory_about_why_the_hunters_are_summoned_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Interesting theory that actually kinda makes sense

[cold bramble]

makes less sense then the magic healing drones in this game

[glad steppe]

The only canon hunter not counting the guys in season 3 cuz I don't know shit about it is the guy in agent Edward side mission

[cold bramble]

a named hunter shows up in the seasons

[glad steppe]

Dunno dude haven't play in half a year

[cold bramble]

with people trying to actually explain gameplay mechanics as lore aspects and the data mine leak showing even more depressing information, you shouldnt come back, i honestly want to leave too, i already play very little

[round sinew]

i just ape run at things and shoot them
this is so fucking relatable

[cold bramble]

Are the Financial District's Nutcrackers something significant, for some secret, or just... there?

[round sinew]

The new bounty dropped today, aye?

[mint citrus]

Yup

[round sinew]

Cool

"The global Corporation that funds Black Tusk"

👀 interesting

Boy oh boy, were we right? Is Sokolov Concern the real baddies?

Is it really the fucking Russians?

[mint citrus]

Bruh

[lofty spire]

Welp

Finished the new manhunt

There was another hunter during the bounty

Unlike the one in the Shade bounty, I managed to kill him

[cold bramble]

@lofty spire anything related to an identity revealed?

[lofty spire]

Nope

I got a couple pictures of the hunter's body, but the way he fell is kinda awkward

Could see his mask and the tattoos on his left arm though

[cold bramble]

same as the others? former mili?

well

sokolov concern is the coolest brand set

so rip that they are evil

funding bt doesn't make them evil

bt shoots civilians and stuff though

executions and such

willing to bet the usa in that world is a funder as well lol considering a number of officials working with them even before ellis

true

[round sinew]

Guess we'll find out

I'm still working through the bounty

[west patio]

Hunters are special forces of some sort recruited by the BTSU I think

If you ever died to a BTSU rifleman the description says there ex rangers, seals and shit and some of them share tattoos with Hunters

[cold bramble]

true

although that may just be reused assets

[west patio]

I very much doubt it

From what I've seen they've went so far as to make different hovercrafts for different missions with the BTSU

Nothing is a coincidence in this game I think

I spend too much time thinking about little details ngl

[round sinew]

Okay, I'm not done with it yet

But can we agree Wraith is a Dom mommie goth gf

[round sinew]

Okay, hot idea: Schaeffer is recruiting rogues to sacrifice them.

[open crest]

To whom?

[round sinew]

To Black Tusk.

If the Hunters are working for Black Tusk, or alongside Black Tusk.

Then maybe Schaeffer's current job, after losing DC and two BTSU teams, is to fish for rogue agents.

And subsequently also getting the loyal agents tracking the rogues.

[open crest]

But don't they hate all agents in general.

[round sinew]

Getting the rogues out of hiding, finding out where they are, and letting the Hunters sweep them.

What do you mean.

That's the point of my theory, dude.

Schaeffer is basically Sokolova's bitch right now after losing so hard, so his current task is fishing for agents and pulling them out of the shadows for the Hunters to swing by and put them down.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

[open crest]

But if the agents are in hiding and not really doing anything

Why bother with them.

[round sinew]

Uh

Well. Schaeffer and his last surviving lieutenant are on record not having anything personal against the Division.

So They're probably just following orders.

With a little revenge mixed in for making their jobs Living hell

This is just a theory, a game theory

What we really need is more info on Sokolova

But I think Wraith's comms give a significant hint of what Schaeffer is doing.

And what he's doing is putting Rogues out to dry.

He's not stupid. Black Tusk isn't incompetent. They're purposely using unsecured comms with Wraith. Because they want someone(Likely SHD or Hunters) to either know what the rogues are planning on advance, or to use that information to track the rogues down.

[north lava]

when is bonny gonna come?

[merry lance]

Bet we deal with him as a halfway boss in the season finale

Or.

They're going to make him take Schaeffers position after he's taken out

[mint citrus]

Wraith's whole demeanor in the comms just

Annoys the hell out of Bardon

And I live for it

[cold bramble]

who is bonny

[mint citrus]

Jack Bonney

A member of the BTSU

[cold bramble]

ah ok

[sleek plover]

Is it just me or Negatiators dillema set and the ace set seem made by Black Tusks?

[round sinew]

Jack Bonney is the last BTSU member. It's kind of implied he's Bardon's 2IC and friend.

He was part of the initial BTSU team, and was still around when Bardon had to rebuild BTSU only for it to get destroyed again. But Jack Bonney is still out there somewhere.

[sleek plover]

by the way btsu torso seem to exist irl
https://www.sandsprecision.com/plateframe.html

[round sinew]

He was interesting because on some of the audio logs and ECHOs we get, he doesn't seem to be really invested in killing SHD agents. He seems to alternate between thinking SHD should be allies, and SHD are threats if made into enemies. Bardon himself never really seems to argue, so that implies Bardon is also pretty sympathetic to SHD.

[sleek plover]

I think he is more self righteous than sympathetic.

[rigid condor]

so shawffer is leader of black tusk right?

[sleek plover]

The specialist unit

[round sinew]

Black Tusk is a massive PMC propped up by some huge investors which we're only now learning are likely some large arms manufacturers.

[rigid condor]

i see

[round sinew]

Black Tusk Specialist Unit is Bardon's personal team of bad-asses sent to oversee operations in DC and deal with Division agents.

[rigid condor]

ah great

[round sinew]

His initial team was wiped out, with only Bardon and Jack Bonney surviving.

Bardon was then given replacements for BTSU, which were again killed at Camp White Oak.

[cyan path]

badasses is debatable, poor guys get picked off like flowers whenever I show up with my White Death

[rigid condor]

white death is amazing

[sleek plover]

You know about black tusks... Tusks are type of animal teeth right?
So having Black Tusks mean you need to take a visit to a dentist?

[rigid condor]

thank you for that

[sleek plover]

Badumtss

[cyan path]

then again they have warhounds and remote controlled mini tanks so I don't have any type of mercy for them

[round sinew]

White Tusk, on the other hand, is a name given to legendary-difficulty Black Tusk units. But they have no place in canon currently and are purely a gameplay element.

[sleek plover]

Also they take care of their dental health well.

... Sorry for that

Did I just stun an entire chat?

[round sinew]

What we've learned in Season 3 so far is interesting

• Bardon Schaeffer is dealing with rogue SHD agents.
• Hunters are involved
• Schaeffer's superior is likely revealed in Natalia Sokolova
• Black Tusk is run or invested in by a global arms manufacturer.
• Bardon has orders from Sokolova about dealing with the rogue SHD agents.
• Bardon appears to be both supporting these rogues on behalf of Black Tusk, as well as trying to make them vulnerable.

And Jack Bonney is nowhere to be seen.

This is also way more plot than we got in Seasons 1 or 2.

[sleek plover]

I think the devs learned to add more lore in seasons.

[vapid light]

The fact he’s trying to leave those same rogues he’s working with pretty exposed is bonkers.

Can’t really fathom why but if it’s orders from on high rather than his own decisions I suppose it makes sense

[sterile star]

I’m aware this isn’t really a spoiler but I don’t see any lore chats so I guess here is the best place to put it.

If anyone else has the Dark Horse book on The Division, in the SHD Tech section, specifically the agent’s SmartWatch, it says one of the listed features is a Electronic Aggregation Pulse. Anyone know what that is? There’s no other mention of it I can find.

By the name sake I’d assume it’s the radar, but I’m not completely sure.

[round sinew]

I expect it's because he's intentionally drawing them out so the Hunters can take them down.

@sterile star likely either the ECHO function, the Scan gadget, or the threat radar.

[sterile star]

It’s not the ECHO function, that’s marked as something else entirely. It’s definitely one of the last two though, from what I’m thinking it’s the threat radar. Mainly because of “aggregation”

[round sinew]

Could also be the general proximity scanner the watch has.

Like scanning electronic locks, scanning/tagging things in the world, showing you toxin zones in your HUD, etc.

[sterile star]

That could be it, actually.

Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.

[round sinew]

Ye. Gotta remember everything about the HUD and shit that we see is presented in-game as something the Agent can see.

The agent wears contact lenses that are linked to the watch and the brick.

Personally, I think you should get a choice between contacts and glasses, but what do I know.

[sterile star]

That I know. It’s just that there’s so many things that could be considered an “Electronic Pulse” that it really widens the search for what it actually is.

[round sinew]

Fair enough lol

[sterile star]

I asked my friend about the other day, regarding Wraith. How come she wears eyeglasses? You’d think that they’d at least make the ScanTeks prescription to boot.

[round sinew]

I assume since its an aggregator, it might be a general handwave term for all the HUD clutter

[sterile star]

Yeah, there’s so many things that it could mean. Sometimes I wish I could just contact the creative team of ubisoft/massive and ask them myself, lol

[round sinew]

Wraith might not need prescription lenses. They might be Google Glass. I played my Division 1 character with sunglasses and RP'd that his HUD was on his glasses rather than with contacts.

[sterile star]

That’s fair, I feel as if contacts would be more practical, though. One wrong hit from an Outcast heavy and no more SHD Tech for you.

[round sinew]

True. I think Broken Dawn showed that.

The agent in the book took a baseball bat to the brick and fucked it up.

[icy nexus]

can anyone tell if its the same hunter thats appeared in both manhunts, ive been too far away to see the mask

[lofty spire]

I didn't get a chance to see the one in the first manhunt

Second manhunt hunter has a dark silver skull mask though

[gaunt grail]

It's the same hunter for both manhunts, same tattoo/mask. The tatt appears to be unique for the Manhunt hunter, spent a while trying to find a duplicate in the factions but couldn't.

[round sinew]

If it's the same Hunter, that means he's changing out gear.

[icy nexus]

might mean that its just one dude trying to kill schaffer instead of a coordinated team of hunters

[round sinew]

He's not trying to kill Schaeffer

Refer to my theory

[cold bramble]

is the name the same when you die to both hunters

[merry lance]

Whats his name?

[fickle summit]

Does anyone know if there's like, a story recap website or something? I did a quick google. I haven't played since mid-season 1, jumped in today and saw Schaffer had converted Faye or some shit (broke my heart tbh) but would be interested in the background of all that. Or if one of you is able to do a quick recap?

[spare arrow]

Essentially right vefore keener died he activated the rogue agent network, which we dont know much about. In season 1 we take down a rogue agent cell whose leader was holed up in roosevelt island, creating super-emps that we eventually disable. In season 2 we take down a rogue agent cell whose leader is a keener-convert named hornet, who has the rest (i belive) of keener's "Eclipse Virus" and he intends to use the virus on us, and then the rest of the world. In season 3 we are taking on Bardon Schaeffer, BTSU's head honcho, who has seemingly been working with Faye Lau, former division coordinator.

Faye Laue went rogue as soon as Keeners signal went out, i believe, but she wasnt all too happy that he either died, or that he activated the network. But she was seen in a cutscene directly after keener's death scene, talking to Bardon.

[fickle summit]

Thanks mate

[spare obsidian]

That rogue agent network activation sounds so much like order 66. Changing sides immediately.

[sterile star]

So S2 Hornet is the same Hornet from the Russian Consulate?

[cyan path]

yep

one of his rogue underlings stitched him up after our Div 1 agent or agents dumped thousands of rounds into his head

[sterile star]

When did his voice get so deep

[cyan path]

probably one of our bullets pierced his throat and it got replaced by another one idk

[cold bramble]

ignoring the gameplay causes (no agents don't go for the head), we were only hitting his armor, we "the character" didn't finish him off or visibly shoot him in the head after we downed him, we only listened to isaac announcing a flatline (he can easily get things wrong)

just an fyi also, the "downed" system for npcs was only added in division 2

so barring the plothole isaac being a shitty watch, he could've easily been in a low heart rate state

so i was wrong about one thing

issac didnt announce anything

so he was in a downed state

[cyan path]

puts in severe doubt the actual ability of that agent to actually get the job done

season 4 manhunt: Bliss returns to command the Black Tusk because we never bothered to check for his remains in his helicopter crash on Div 1

[open crest]

Didn't virtually everything about Hornet change ?

[round sinew]

Like what?

[open crest]

Well I don't personally remember anything about him from Div1, but I read that literally everything change, except his name.

[round sinew]

There wasn't really anything about Hornet pre-S3. He was just a rogue agent helping LMB.

That's it. There wasn't really anything to change because it didn't exist.

[cold bramble]

What iff mr ellis is playing 2 face with BT, and hyenas?

Surely the hyenas wouldve killed him in bank hq by now

it's possible, there is a plot thread we've barely touched upon (and it was with ellis) that deals with the government being corrupted

Alexa's easter eggs & this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtaP6Yc7rEM

after thinking about it again, it might've been dropped and replaced with the rogue network

it could pop up again after the seasons since we are only interacting with only a handful of bt

[sleek plover]

Is it possible for an agent to go "rogue" but still have an orange watch for having zero civilian kills?

Lore wise that is

[round sinew]

Not really

Wait

Yes

[sleek plover]

So a guy will just ignore all orders but he still has one rule of never hurting civilians

[round sinew]

That's exactly the plot of Broken Dawn. An agent goes Rogue but ISAC doesn't mark them rogue for a couple reasons.

I know it's called spoilers, but I won't spoil it if you plan to read it.

[sleek plover]

I love spoilers

whenever I start a game I always look for spoilers beforehand

[round sinew]

Okay. The guy goes Rogue by leaving a bunch of civvies to die. According to other agents, that level of negligence should mark an agent rogue, lock his watch and gadgets, and basically put a beacon on him for agents to come and execute the traitor. ISAC didn't mark him though.

This was partially due to ISAC not really understanding what he did wrong.

[sleek plover]

oh

wait so lorewise going rogue would lock the skills?

[round sinew]

Yes.

The main reason he wasn't marked Rogue is that Mantis had a backdoor in ISAC and kind of made the agent invisible from ISAC for a bit.

[sleek plover]

oh

[round sinew]

That's sort of a hint to the Rogue network, I think. A prototype in a way.

I do like that all the agents mentioned in all the books, comics, and other supplemental material are all still alive.

[sleek plover]

Wait I wonder

Maybe aaron keeners the one who basically started the whole thieves den system for rogues

[cold bramble]

a bit of a stretch but he was in a DZ for a bit of time

could be possible

[sleek plover]

I mean thieves den is almost equipped to the safehouse level

[round sinew]

Doubt it

The DZ vendors are canonically loyal Division agents.

I doubt they'd be dealing with Keener

[cold bramble]

they were dealing in credits initially also....

[round sinew]

Yeah. Didn't understand why they're not just giving us the gear we need when they work in the same agency we do.

Iirc they're officially part of the logistics and supply branch of SHD

[open crest]

Loyal Division agents tryna make a buck? Sounds legit.

[cyan path]

those "Loyal" Division agents sure love talking shit in front of my face a lot like my agent wasn't the one who took down the leaders of the 3 major factions in NYC

[open crest]

Isn't it lorewise a group of agents?

[round sinew]

Lorewise everything in Division 1 is completed by an amorphous group of 1-4 agents.

They're not even necessarily the same group for each thing.

[sleek plover]

At least @cyan path will have my respect for doing that. I literally started the game because I hate LMB and true sons

[cyan path]

My div 1 agent did everything by himself, just like my div 2 agent

[round sinew]

Actually, Division 2 is a little more clear that the Sheriff does almost everything solo except the raids.

[open crest]

Well that's even more nonsense

[cyan path]

if Ubisoft lets us form our own lore in regards to the fate of our Div 1 agent I'd say mine is just a battle hardened, desperate veteran just killing anyone that doesn't look like a loyal Division agent or innocent civilian

[open crest]

My Agent joined Keener.

[cyan path]

somewhere lost in NYC, barely surviving

[round sinew]

I'd say mine's dead.

Like most of the NYC-based agents after the fall of the JTF.

[open crest]

Seems to be an awful lot of agents in NY alone.

[cyan path]

It would be cool if Ubisoft introduces a single Division agent that is a veteran from NY and has Hunter Masks all over his backpack

or her

[round sinew]

Like they did with Judge in Far Cry, yeah

[cold bramble]

an SOS did go out like DC

[cyan path]

I wonder what happened to that team of agents in the beginning of Div 2

I think the agent you meet at the Pentagon safehouse is the same one at that town

[mint citrus]

Sanders lives

[cold bramble]

the boss in that town did meet up with us again in a dlc, don't remember which though

[mint citrus]

She meets us at the Pentagon

[cyan path]

good to know

i'm curious about the other two agents

since 99% of NPC agents are either dead or rogue

[round sinew]

I'm just mad the team on the opening screen of D2 who are specficially last seen being in DC are nowhere to be found.

They're the ones who originally saved the Castle, along with April Kelleher.

[cyan path]

oh shit, speaking about April

[round sinew]

Yeah. She's somewhere.

[cyan path]

thank god

[round sinew]

Not sure where since Massive seems to have forgotten about a lot of the other lore they made.

[cyan path]

she's genuinely one of my favorite characters, mainly because she managed to survive NYC, encountered Keener and pretty much she's a lucky and tough woman

I wonder where Kandell is tho, I don't see her anywhere in Haven

[cold bramble]

inb4 she rescued keener like he did for hornet

[mint citrus]

I think the Agents in the promo stuff are still alive

Caleb and Agent Ward

[round sinew]

Kandell was last seen in Michigan.

I do wanna see Dunne, Ward, and Johnson again.

Or even Aurelio Diaz or Ike Ronson.

Or Ryan Marquez.

[cyan path]

I just wanna see more NPC agents assisting us in missions like Kelso

[round sinew]

Or the team from Agent Origins. I assume they're dead though.

[sleek plover]

Well I want to fight a BTSU unit explicitedly stated they are Ex-LMB. I want to hear dialogues like "we were just following orders!" "why are we doing this to us!" as they are losing.

[round sinew]

Fair enough. I wonder if BT absorbed all of LMB or just the Rogue LMB in New York City.

[sleek plover]

at this point i cant trust shotgunners being Ex LMB, many of the BTSU may have gone sensei and disciple with LMB chargers to learn their ways.

[cyan path]

And I wanna see LMB in the JTF, I mean it is in the lore that some LMB soldiers joined the JTF after they collapsed

[sleek plover]

I really want to fight enemies like they are explicitedly ex-LMB, and I want to see them suffer.

Welp, time to go rogue than if there are LMB amobg JTF.

[cyan path]

Damn, you're very biased against the LMB

[open crest]

Div agents should accept the old world is gone and just lay down their arms.

[sleek plover]

I literally started the game because I read about them in the wiki and decided I hated them.

I want to sacrifice them aztec style in honor of lady liberty.

[cyan path]

wonder why that hate didn't go to the Hyenas

yes I hate them a lot because of their general attitude and annoyance

[round sinew]

They're a crazy rogue PMC that went so off the rails their own company disavowed them.

[sleek plover]

Freedom IS a right, Liberty IS a given. To deny this is blasphemy.

Blasphemers must be slain.

[round sinew]

It's even stated the Last Man Battalion elsewhere, upon learning what Bliss did in NYC, distanced themselves from him.

[sleek plover]

Thats the kind of stuff my agent would say, he worships freedom like a religion.

[round sinew]

Though it's implied that they were just doing it to save face and knew exactly what Bliss was doing and no one believed their crocodile tears.

[cyan path]

never trust a PMC in a Tom Clancy's setting

[sleek plover]

wonder why that hate didn't go to the Hyenas
@cyan path
Well I do find their propaganda about tearing the rulebook and freedom very appealing.

[round sinew]

never trust a PMC in a Tom Clancy's setting
@cyan path
This.

[sleek plover]

But they too are tyrants of force.

Might makes right is tyranny.

[round sinew]

looks at the plot of Siege
Oh no

[sleek plover]

If I had to choose sides, I say ill lead my own group of rioters and grow it into a faction.

It will be like french revolution themed freedom-cultists with a guillotine on their base.

[cyan path]

yep, BUT, if they're gonna be cocky little shits thinking they own the place just because they got some UMPs and gas masks I got a whole magazine of reality checks for them

Well I do find their propaganda about tearing the rulebook and freedom very appealing.

We really need to have the opportunity to chase the remaining two Council members of the Hyenas

[round sinew]

There's a lot of loose ends. Let's just admit it.

[sleek plover]

Maybe they will rebuild their faction un division 3?
They would definitely abosrb whats left of rikers to form a natiom wide gang syndicate.

[cyan path]

god no

[sleek plover]

and thats it, android keyboards are the worst.

[cyan path]

My div 1 and div 2 agents already have enough hate for the rikers and Hyenas respectively

[sleek plover]

And my hatred goes to LMB and true sons.

[round sinew]

Rikers wanted to defund the police before it was cool

[sleek plover]

enough rl politics I say

[round sinew]

Lmao

I like the Hyenas personally. They have no real unifying policy or agenda and have the ability to be allies.

[sleek plover]

Same reason as why I like the rioters

But hyenas... well they thrive on picking on the weak, but I really like their aesthetics

[round sinew]

Cleaners and Outcasts are both too zealous. Rikers are too aggressive. LMB need to be dismantled. The True Sons are traitors.

[sleek plover]

Green fumes, gasmasks.

[cyan path]

I like their gas masks, I don't like how every single hyena ever has one

except their tanks

[sleek plover]

Outcasts, well I am a sympathizer.

[round sinew]

They're all on meth basically.

[cyan path]

Outcasts were understandably pissed

[round sinew]

No they're not

[sleek plover]

Apparently drug named spice does exist and its supposed to. be synth marijuana

[round sinew]

The spice must flow

[cyan path]

even our agent can get high on spice with the exotic P90

[sleek plover]

And the coyote mask.

[round sinew]

Let's not forget the True Sons did a war crime on the Castle.

[open crest]

I'm really not sure why you hate the LMB so much

[round sinew]

Because PMCs are bad.

[sleek plover]

The first time I heard from the trailer saying freedom is not a right, I decided I reallt hated them

and then I read the wiki, and I hate them even more.

[open crest]

The Division is probably under orders from corrupt politicians, they're bad.

[west patio]

My favorite factions are the PMC's

[sleek plover]

And LMB ar enothing but fascists deserving perdition.

I want their heads on the pike surrounding lady liberty.

[west patio]

There actually tactical instead of rushing with a G36C holding it sideways

[cyan path]

^

this, like jesus

[open crest]

So you want to murder them because they have a different point of view?

[sleek plover]

I want to purge them for their blasphemy against one sacred truth. Freedom.

[cyan path]

every time I see a Hyena firing a G36 sideways while holding it in one hand I prioritize them and blow their head up

[west patio]

They can Lazer you from 20 foot away holding a G36 sideways cough hyena cough

[merry lance]

Tmw a single hyena red tier regular shreds your entire team to shreds as he brazenly gets in yer gobs with a ump 45

[open crest]

The 'truth of freedom' is up for debate.

[cyan path]

Tmw a single hyena red tier regular shreds your entire team to shreds as he brazenly gets in yer gobs with a ump 45
@merry lance also while one handing it and holding it sideways too

[sleek plover]

Freedom IS a right, Liberty IS a given. To deny this is blasphemy.
@sleek plover

They must be purged

[merry lance]

I just want an LMB faction outfit for my agent thats been havenified

Its clearly LMB but with green strips signifying its a haven member

[cyan path]

and I want more tactical gear, I mean I dig the vibe of taking out PMCs, criminals and crazies while wearing some slip on sandals but where did all the tactical gear go

[merry lance]

I miss the slouchy beanies man

[sleek plover]

I want a rioter hoodie for sure.

[west patio]

I want to be tacti cool not dumb dumbass wearing a set of shorts and sandals

[merry lance]

Div 1 had some damn good beanies

Slouchies for life man

[sleek plover]

TBH i really want an animation skin so I can do the "stupid gangsta side grip" thing like the hyenas.

[cyan path]

it also gives you a 200% accuracy bonus cuz apparently that's the optimal way to lazer somebody

[sleek plover]

I would also appreciate skill skins for my turret etc can look "improvised"

[west patio]

I just want more tactical outfits

[open crest]

Agreed on the tactical gear.

[west patio]

Is there anywhere where we can suggest that to the devs?

[open crest]

Forums probably

[cyan path]

melee executions too

[sleek plover]

So you are an LMB fan snipty? if so, no offense intended

its fiction

[cyan path]

the only factions I'm a fan of are the civvy militias and peacekeepers, every other faction gets some degree of respect, and different levels of hate from me

[sleek plover]

I. mean efan seem to have simillar reasons about hating hyenas. I find LMB to be self righteous fascists deserving worse deaths.

[cyan path]

LMB is kind of in the middle of my hated factions, they wanted to restore order, but in a fascist and ruthless way, they got mid respect from me too

fuck their shock shotgun rushers tho

[sleek plover]

If LMB won, its gonna be terrible. Forced conscription, brainwashing...

[cyan path]

it's a hard choice really, you either get extreme order and no justice, or extreme anarchy with varying levels of justice, depending on your own ability to avenge someone or keep violent people away

Hyenas take the first place in hatred and I have no respect for them, Rikers come in second because some of them are hardened criminals who have no remorse and those kinds of people do need to be feared, but still I hate them, True Sons come in third since they fucked over the JTF when they could've just stayed loyal and the situation would be better.

like, 10 times better

[sleek plover]

Hyenas and Rikers are middle place actually. Mostly because they pick on the weak.

There are two types of oppression, oppression by order and oppression by force.

True sons... well...I like burning Ridgeway alive with incendiary grenades so

[cyan path]

that's wack

[west patio]

That's what I call a cooking lesson

[cyan path]

I like to make his ammo pack explode and fill his dumbass head with bullets

[sleek plover]

Cleaners are is on my second place hated faction, right after true sons, Black tusks and LMB sharing the 1st place

[cyan path]

Black Tusk actually doesn't oppress civilians who don't cooperate with the Division and JTF

[sleek plover]

Outcasts, well, are my least hated second to Rioters.

Well bounty says otherwise...
Also they recruited LMB into their ranks.

[west patio]

Black Tusk are pretty decent tbh

[cyan path]

Eh, rioters shouldn't be hated in the same terms as the other factions, most of them are just people who went so desperate they had to cross some lines

[west patio]

They normally don't engage civs if not engaged

[sleek plover]

I actually like rioters, mostly because they have no set ideology.

[cyan path]

Cleaners have a noble cause, their methods are less than noble tho

[west patio]

Cleaners have a good cause ngl

[sleek plover]

So I decided to make my agent one by giving him summer hoody, balaclava hat, scavenger pants and having all of the equip transmorgrified to improvised brand

Also gave him a hockey mask because thats the reward at division 1 for killing LMB.

[cyan path]

if Joe Ferro hadn't gone crazy I'm pretty sure the cleaners could have been an allied faction

[sleek plover]

I also carry new reliable(RPK), M44 and pf45 because thats the weapons that Rioter heavies, lookouts and lurkers carried

I hate android keyboards

[cyan path]

think of them like waste disposal for the JTF, infected bodies need some burning? Cleaners
"Unusually high contamination levels that the JTF can't handle? Cleaners

[sleek plover]

I admit cleaners are a marvel in post apocalypse enemy faction design.

[west patio]

Yeah but they burn everyone so

[sleek plover]

But they ignore the rights of people's freedom to live.

[cyan path]

because Joe Ferro riled them up to be like that, killing anyone they deem infected

[sleek plover]

excuse me for the language, but I found Vivian Conley screaming like a little bi_ch when he goes kaboom very satisfying.

[cyan path]

"oh you coughed? burn in hell you parasite" -some cleaner probably

[west patio]

Yeah

[cyan path]

same, I hate that brainwashed bitch

[west patio]

Conley is a annoying bitch

I liked Kajika

And dragov and Theo were meh

[cyan path]

I liked Theo, his collectible recordings show that he wanted to get the truth out and bring justice for the death of his father

[sleek plover]

I think theo is wasted by killing him tbh. We could have capture him alive and force him to work for us instead of jail sentence. I mean we'll eventually reach the bottom of conspiracy behind BTSU so he would have been very helpful.

[west patio]

We eventually will

[cyan path]

maybe that's the corrupt Division command center tying up the loose ends

[mint citrus]

Theo would have made a useful ally

Seriously

[sleek plover]

Yeah

[mint citrus]

My BOY

[cyan path]

I mean, I would've honestly tried to capture Theo

[sleek plover]

Well about Kajika, I wonder if he has any ties with Ghost Recon of Division universe.

[mint citrus]

Same, I think the only villain we capture is the Outcasts' strategist

[sleek plover]

I mean its a parallel world so they can at least exist.

[cyan path]

It's been confirmed that Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six exist in the same universe

along with Splinter Cell

[sleek plover]

Maybe Kajika was a former ghost.

[cyan path]

wouldn't make sense with Far Cry tho, in New Dawn there's references to Fisher

and his endeavors in a post apocalyptic USA

[mint citrus]

A Division cell in Chicago iirc

He went there for some reason

[cyan path]

Ubisoft is increasingly leaving references in their games that as time goes on actually influence their other titles

it is confirmed that Aiden Pearce ambushes and kills an Abstergo convoy in Assassins Creed Origins

[sleek plover]

Well, if Assassins do exist in division universe, I am definitely gonna join.

[cyan path]

idk if Ubisoft is like "haha random references to our games inside our other games" or if they're trying to pull off an MCU on us but damn

[sleek plover]

ideology wise Assassins are definitely the closest thing with what I value.

But... its the tom clancy universe, having too much ref on AC would be intruding.

[cyan path]

yeah

I'd say the Watch Dogs and Assassins Creed universe are together

Far Cry must be its own thing, or maybe not, and Division, Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon are together

and also Splinter Cell

[west patio]

Rainbow six, ghost recon and splinter cell are together

The divison has its own stand alone Tom Clancy universe

[sleek plover]

+division would at leasr exisr

in none-apocalyptic situation

[cyan path]

So that crate drop in Wildlands from The Division was just a random easter egg?

[west patio]

Yeah, to build up hype

[cyan path]

played like a fiddle

Then the collectible suit of Fisher in Far Cry New Dawn must be a random easter egg too

[sleek plover]

I am excited/worriednabout far cry 6

far cry games never, never had a decent ending except the ones you dont play the game

However at the same time it does satisfy my gamer fetish of fighting as a guerrilla fighter against the tyrannical regime.

[cyan path]

I just hope it has better gun play

and pet animals

I'm a Far Cry Primal fan, if I at least don't have a dog that can help me kill the bad guys, it's either a low tier or mid tier Far Cry game

[cold bramble]

BTSU did nothing wrong

[sleek plover]

BTSU is doing wrong by existing.

They are oppressors, simple as that.

[cyan path]

fucking having warhounds is what they did wrong, ditch those pieces of shit

[sleek plover]

we need our own customizable warhound companion.

It should be fighter-plane grey with SHD symbol.

[acoustic epoch]

probably a spec, maybe the special skill being an explosive drone like the BT drones.

[west patio]

I would love a warhound speculation

A pet robot death dog would be so fun

[round sinew]

Yes

Skill build meta

Finally

[west patio]

Nah DPS meta

More damage you got the harder it hits

[round sinew]

What if the dog adopted the stats of the owner

Red makes it hit harder. Blue gives it armor and health. Yellow gives It...?

[west patio]

Yellow gives it fire rate

It's a skill that a chopper drops in and as a specilization ammo it gets a combat overload which makes it 6/6/6 for 30s

[round sinew]

What loadout does it get though?

[mint citrus]

Minigun!

Because those never stop moving at all

Ever

[cyan path]

it can vary

frag grenades deal high damage and bleed, but they're very limited, meaning it can only fire a certain number before entering a long cooldown

as a grenade launcher warhound

minigun warhound could run all over the place suppressing all enemies

but its damage would be low

and the 50. cal rifle warhound deals a lot of damage, but also receives more, and it needs to be exposed in order to fire

[round sinew]

I want the warhound from Ghost Recon

Mobile cover, mortar, and guided missile launcher.

[open crest]

Wouldn't call the gattling cannon warhound damage 'low', sure it won't down you in a couple hits, but it can shred you quick enough.

[cyan path]

I mean, compared to enemy warhounds, ours would have a lower damage output

[shy ridge]

What if there was a Cavalry Warhound that you could ride around and shoot off of. It would also have a charge move to run over enemies!

[round sinew]

Nnnno

[open crest]

Sounds like an absolutely glorious idea.

[sleek plover]

I would equip it with riot foam myself

I would def laugh at those True Sons and BTSU guys struggle to get out of it and burn them alive with incendiary grenades

[queen cave]

You know, that is a cool idea.. one of those hacked wardogs as a mount, or a technicans pet :P

[west patio]

Or imagine owning your own pet marauder

[steel radish]

Fly around the city on top of it

Wait no that would cut you up

With it carrying you*

[dense mulch]

Not sure if this is the best place to ask but I'm looking for a song that's in the game quite often but I can't determine when it's triggered. I usually hear it in the open world. It's a very calm, slow paced track with distant notes here and there. It's so relaxing

[west patio]

It one of Ola Strandh's songs I think

[steel radish]

I struggle finding the ambient tracks

https://youtu.be/guJ4noT1D9A you may be looking for this

[dense mulch]

Omggg yep thanks man it was this one 🤤 @steel radish

[steel radish]

No problem

[dense mulch]

Wait, TD has a movie?

Seems to be missing ever since the IRL pandemic lol

[cyan path]

Why make a movie when the first stages of The Division are happening IRL

[dense mulch]

I know right

I accidentally missclicked and launched TD1 yesterday. I only did the campaign back then so I thought it would be neat to rediscover the map etc. The story vs reality comparison is crazy. Like the hospital ship standing in NYC? How could they anticipate something like that

[round sinew]

TD has a couple short live action things.

D1's trailer, the 4 agent origins shorts.

There's apparently a Netflix movie that's been in the works for like 4 years

[desert thistle]

With Jakeypooh and Jessicaboo.

[cold bramble]

@round sinew you forgot the most important one of all, the isaac event shorts

[round sinew]

Those were disappointing

All that buildup for a bounty.

... Wait. That was just a fucking Manhunt event.

[cold bramble]

[spiral turtle]

... Wait. That was just a fucking Manhunt event.
@round sinew just WONY as a whole

[round sinew]

[spiral turtle]

Wraith sounds like a total bitch

[cyan path]

She's your average quirky thot who thinks is hot shit

I'm glad my sniper turret and drone are hotter shit than her

[cold bramble]

pretty sure she has ground to stand on, pretty much every one who obtained that orange circled badge does

[cyan path]

Yes, but some people can go overboard with their ego when they have skill and power to back it up

[cold bramble]

true

[cyan path]

it just feels satisfying to me, whenever a boss is an egotistical trash talking maniac and I just casually show up and kick their ass

Like every single Hyena and Riker boss

[spiral turtle]

Wraith’s hunter nearly just killed me cause I wasn’t paying attention to him

[round sinew]

I barely noticed the Wraith hunter just like the Shade hunter.

They both hid from me

[cyan path]

I noticed the Wraith hunter very easily

in fact he almost killed me twice

jeez, give a hunter armor and they turn 100 times deadlier

not mentioning the fact we don't have the almighty classified gear sets to help us in Div 2

[static bay]

Are the Hunters killable? A friend of mine tried to oneshot Wraith's hunter with a specialisation and failed.

[cold bramble]

You don't get anything

[trim goblet]

Hey is anyone in the community division 2 discord?

I was wondering if someone could hop in and get the name of a few mods. I wanted to ask them a couple questions (currently banned from there). It would mean a lot. Please. Happened like 7 months ago and trying to get back in.

[sleek plover]

Man summit is hard

Ive been repeating 61 for like 20th time today

TBH I dont really care about the top and the reward, just want to murder those white BTSU guys

[round sinew]

Try getting a buddy for Summit

The difficulty increase for a group of 2 doesn't outweigh the benefit of having a partner.

[shy ridge]

now that i have the shield splinterer, they should make it Exotic

not sure what would change, but i feel it needs it

[round sinew]

Eh

Most exotics are barely better than named weapons, if at all

There's not really any exotic gear I like for my Gunner spec Hardwired build, anyways.

[pallid rapids]

This hunter in the skull mask is literally an elite bodyguard for Schaeffer's allied agents.

[cyan path]

More like he's trying to kill them, but we show up and he's like "oh well shit, fighting that guy is gonna be annoying and it'll give time for my target to get away, I'll try my luck with somebody else"

[tepid ibex]

Cleaners are is on my second place hated faction, right after true sons, Black tusks and LMB sharing the 1st place
@sleek plover

Oh?

[sleek plover]

You died too clean a death

You should have been sacrificed Aztec style as a sacred offering to lady liberty.

Freedom IS a right. Liberty IS a given.

To deny this sacred truth is blasphemy. Blasphemers must be purged.

All shall worship the divine truth that is freedom. Or they shall die as a heretic.

.... thats what my agent would say at least if I go full RP here.

To be honest people of NYC would have a better fate to become extinct due to green poison than enslaved by LMB

[sleek plover]

@tepid ibex

[olive drift]

In terms of game play, Black Tusk is just annoying, mainly their grenadiers

They can hit airbursts right on you with pinpoint accuracy Every. Single. Time. If you move out of cover you still get hit by it. If you get hit, you're knocked out of cover with 95% of your armor gone

But in-game, I'd honestly go Rogue and maybe join Black Tusk or just the Rogue Network in general. The Division is controlled by our government and consists of bunch of people who are either elite JTF, Spec-Ops, etc.

[west patio]

Black tusk are by far my favorite

[olive drift]

They have some cool tech, but is still a PMC at the end of the day

[tepid ibex]

You died too clean a death
@sleek plover.

I never died

Freedom IS a right. Liberty IS a given.
@sleek plover

I don't agree with everything he said but cmon, that line was badass

[west patio]

Yeah

[tepid ibex]

@sleek plover Final Words:
Says the one who's least hated Faction is the one who had no intention of bringing back NYC.
The LMB and Cleaners had good intentions of saving New York at least but just went about it the wrong way or ways people disapproved of. The LMB only wanted to restore order to a dying New York. They got left behind to guard Wall Street buildings owned by the rich, they made something out of nothing. They were sent there without the government telling them how bad the virus had gotten, so they took matters into their own hands. I feel as if Massive purposely GAVE them a bad rep. I mean what kind of military with mostly highly trained soldiers kills civilians (for no reason) if they're trying to start a NWO and get people to join them? They made it seem like the soldiers have no mercy when it comes to killing their own people in the U.S. I just don't feel like it would really go down like that. The LMB even had camps/tents for civilians. They also gave civilians protection from what I've overheard on the loudspeaker. The funny thing is the Division could never succeed (atleast fully) if they acted like they do in the game. The same cannot be said about the LMB though.

[ashen jungle]

I forget sometimes just how American this game is.

[sleek plover]

Bounty entries claim otherwise.
There are reports of LMB squad attacking civilian aid workers and indiscriminately killing civilians.
Also there was just one commander guy who pressgangs civilians into suicide squads.
I am an korean american, I know what kind of order fascism is only capable of bri
inging.
Order of slavery.

As for the speaker, thats jusr propaganda.

Besides they are MADE by massive, so whatever portrayals they made is pretty much canon.

[round sinew]

^

That doesn't mean those portrayals are ham-fisted

Why is everyone killing random civvies? Even the True Sons who are former military seem to have gone off the deep end.

You think even though Ridgeway and his people differ in ideology, the fact they're just going around killing random people would be less... Palatable to former American military.

LMB, though, I'm not surprised with. PMCs are often baddies in Tom Clancy stuff. There's like 2-3 instances in everything under the Tom Clancy brand where that's not true.

I just want a little more nuance. You know, like look at Fallout New Vegas with Caesar's Legion. They're supposed to be the bad guys at first, but the game shows they're really no better or worse than any other faction. I'd like that more grey morality in Division. The circumstances especially call for you at least being forced to question morality at least a little.

But that's not even a Massive issue, it's a wider Ubisoft issue. They get so close to showing a grey morality, but then snap back to "good guys good and bad guys bad"

[drifting inlet]

Ngl the deep lore is dope and amazing but i think what Ubisoft wants to make is "perspective effects the way you look upon the story" and i think there's why a reason we can go rogue not bcuz for the gear or stuff but its bcuz its a choice i think that's why rogue agents is so cool and has a deep end backstory of why they gone rogue and the question is why did we even went rogue just for the loot? Wrong its basic instinct "kill or be killed"-flowey

[steel radish]

Technically nighthaven isn’t bad

But Tom Clancy didn’t create Nighthaven so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tepid ibex]

But that's not even a Massive issue, it's a wider Ubisoft issue. They get so close to showing a grey morality, but then snap back to "good guys good and bad guys bad"
@round sinew

Pretty much. But if we talk about other Ubisoft games I would consider Eden's Gate from Far Cry 5 anti-heros as well other than Cleaners and LMB. Even if they try their hardest to make it seem like the bad guys are bad I'll find a way to see they have something good about them (unless It's Rikers and Hyenas). A lot of the factions in Ubisoft games are made out to be bad guys, but you'll see some had the right idea just executed it poorly which is why I consider them anti-heros.

[round sinew]

@steel radish Nighthaven was almost bad in the lore. Harry forced a measure to hire them because they were about to be hired by bad guys.

@tepid ibex Silence LMB scum, your own company abandoned you.

No but really, Peggies were good guys in New Dawn after they realized their original way was stupid.

[tepid ibex]

@tepid ibex Silence LMB scum, your own company abandoned you.

@round sinew

How so?

[round sinew]

The official lore states that Last Man Battalion disavowed Bliss and the LMB unit in New York City, saying they went off the rails and were no longer operating according to LMB procedure.

The official lore also says nobody really believed them.

[tepid ibex]

@round sinew Well hold on a minute. Correct me if I'm wrong but typically, the commanding officer of a Battalion has the rank of Lieutenant Colonel, so how is it more LMB exist outside of Bliss's command?

I would love for that to be true otherwise

[cold bramble]

who is bliss

[round sinew]

No idea. iirc Bliss is the CEO and founder of LMB, so you'd think the entirety of the company is in NYC.

[tepid ibex]

@cold bramble it's a drug

[round sinew]

Ha. Holy shit it is.

[cold bramble]

so the lmb are commanded by drugs?

[round sinew]

I guess it makes sense, though, that there's likely LMB offices outside of New York, other contractors and execs who would plead innocence and ignorance to Bliss losing his mind.

[tepid ibex]

No idea. iirc Bliss is the CEO and founder of LMB, so you'd think the entirety of the company is in NYC.
@round sinew

Yup. But LMB existing outside would tickle my nuts. The LMB from outside would be called in by the government to help deal with Black Tusk as well.

[cold bramble]

god damn black tusks

[tepid ibex]

I guess it makes sense, though, that there's likely LMB offices outside of New York, other contractors and execs who would plead innocence and ignorance to Bliss losing his mind.
@round sinew

gasp Ignorance is Bliss

[round sinew]

It doesn't really matter, though, since it's also established that LMB ceases to exist once Bliss dies. Though I guess it's a little vague whether that means LMB as an entity, or LMB's operational presence in NYC.

[cold bramble]

cheese

cheese

[round sinew]

My guess would be, that just as the LMB remnants in NYC are swept up by Black Tusk, any LMB left outside New York would also scatter once they figure out what Bliss did and realize that the majority of their company is gone.

[cold bramble]

oof for them

[round sinew]

Either join Black Tusk, local JTF, or some other nearby faction.

[tepid ibex]

@round sinew Perhaps just operational presence. But maybe the military would still use the name Last Man Battalion but maybe not since Bliss founded it

[cold bramble]

I'd wanna join the outcasts

[round sinew]

Why would the military use that name?

[cold bramble]

I like fire

[round sinew]

LMB is a private military company.

[tepid ibex]

Either join Black Tusk, local JTF, or some other nearby faction.
@round sinew

Oh yeah we've seen some LMB joined JTF in the Aninated Short for WONY

[cold bramble]

strap me down with a flamethrower and let me burn down the other strongholds

[round sinew]

You're free to use the shitty Division-spec flamethrower.

[cold bramble]

do you think the outcasts could kill ridgeway?

the division spec flamethrower is ass

imagine if they made an exotic grenade

[round sinew]

w-what.

[cold bramble]

what do you think the stuff on the grenade would be?

[tepid ibex]

Why would the military use that name?
@round sinew

I don't suppose they would anymore really but It's not like it matters anyway since the world is in shambles in this universe

do you think the outcasts could kill ridgeway?
@cold bramble

Doubt, they would have to get through his men first anyway

[cold bramble]

think about this an exotic chest piece that when you would die one every 300s you are restored to full hp and armor and create a 15m explosion that deals damage equal to your hp and armor to all enemies

call the talent shd overhaul

name of the chest armor isac protocol 5b

[ashen jungle]

that sounds pretty OP, and not really related to a game spoiler.

[spiral turtle]

Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the drug in FC5 called Bliss?