#division-universe

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steel radish
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Since they’re the only other named hunter

wraith light
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I think so man

scenic thicket
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like i killed the hunter but he doesnt drop anything

steel radish
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@scenic thicket spoiler tag your message in general though

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||like this||

scenic thicket
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nvm i deleted it lol

steel radish
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Alright

scenic thicket
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when i came to the spot the hunter was already being ganked by both black tusk and rikers

wraith light
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Same

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I died the first time because I'm clueless, then he spawned again on my second attempt

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so I'm assuming it's scripted

steel radish
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I’m assuming we’re gonna get some hunter lore this season

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They pop up on the summit, we get a backpack themed around them

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And now this

wraith light
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the plot thickens

spiral turtle
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I’m glad I got the achievement for doing the manhunt on challenging or above last season. Def doing it on normal now

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That was painful

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Granted I did the whole season and not just the mission on heroic

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Because I don’t know how to read

scenic thicket
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wait just to be clear sokolova in the comms that i picked up after doing the shade bounty is the same as in sokolov concern brand?

steel radish
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oh wow the leaks are true

wraith light
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🤔

terse ginkgo
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Of course they’re true. Hence, “leaks” instead of rumors.

steel radish
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Leaks can be false information

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The devs could have made changes since said leaks

round sinew
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Is the fire tower fixed?

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As in the tanker mission bug?

steel radish
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Should be

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Why ask in game spoilers though lol

round sinew
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This is the only channel I frequent lol

cold mantle
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Yes it's fixed ran it earlier today 8/10 points though my team died a good 2/3 times for a full restart

round sinew
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I just ran the Shade bounty. I found a Hunter as well, but it wasn't named. He didn't attack me at all and bamf'd out as soon as all the Rikers were dead.

steel radish
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I assume they see the name after they got decked by an unexpected hunter

round sinew
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I guess.

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I'm confused why mine wanted nothing to do with me. He helped me kill Rikers, then dropped behind cover when I targeted him and smoked out

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Wait a second.

steel radish
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I think he’s scripted to, well, not die

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I think he’s gonna pop up on the other manhunts

round sinew
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Bardon's rogue cell is Shade, Belfry, Wraith, and whoever the 4th is, right?

steel radish
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Yeah

round sinew
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How many of the Hunters have we hit that have spooky names.

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Hell, one gave us the Wraith mask.

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I wonder if that's supposed to be some kind of connection?

steel radish
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Nah, I don’t think so

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Then again

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There’s also a shade mask iirc

round sinew
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Just a coincidence that Hunters and Schaeffer/Faye like spooky names?

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"Welcome to the Division. We like Halloween here."

steel radish
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It’s not like these names are very thought through

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Hell, season 1 looked like they were just assigned random planet names

wraith light
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I may or may not have seen that an upcoming apparel event has the hunters "logo" on the chests

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Dunno how old this is just so you know

round sinew
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It's hinted Keener assigned those callsigns.

steel radish
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The new (I assume) apparel gear for the event looks quite hunter esque

wraith light
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That too, there's still a hunter to be found on coney Island

steel radish
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This came right after “New apparel” in the season 3 trailer

wraith light
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Also we're definitely not supposed to be able to kill that hunter during the shade bounty

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That pic

round sinew
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Also this is just me pondering

wraith light
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That looks like all 3 NY factions been beefed up

round sinew
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Oh I can't upload photos.

steel radish
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Well, they’re wearing agent watches, one has a bulwark shield and ones carrying the spec flamethrower

round sinew
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The Hunter logo looks a lot like a stylized wolf.

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You know who else in the Tom Clancy games uses a wolf logo?

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Bodark

wraith light
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Someone debunked a similar theory

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It's been said (?) that division is completely separate from the other games

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Which really sucks but I hope that isn't true

steel radish
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It is

round sinew
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They've said that before but i don't trust anyone at Ubi

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"Separate franchises" and then I see a crossover for Watchdogs and Assassin's Creed.

steel radish
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???

wraith light
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Lmao and splinter cell in siege

round sinew
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"Separate franchises" and then I see a Splinter Cell easter egg in Far Cry.

steel radish
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Every other Tom Clancy game are in the Clancyverse

wraith light
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Sure there was that splinter cell mission in wildlands too

round sinew
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Lmao and splinter cell in siege
@wraith light
But that makes sense. Tom Clancy games.
But fuck that decision anyways, it makes no sense.

steel radish
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Yeah, because they’re actually connected

round sinew
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^

wraith light
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I seee

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I'm holding out hope anyway

round sinew
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Splinter Cell, Ghost Recon, Rainbow 6, EndWar, HAWX. They've always been connected.

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Even if Ubisoft wants to forget HAWX and EndWar happened.

wraith light
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Hawx was g

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I'm still angry they killed it off

round sinew
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I still maintain Division is connected. Otherwise, why use the fucking Tom Clancy franchise name.

wraith light
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What makes most sense to me is division and wildlands/breakpoint being connected

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Hunters specifically

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But my brain is small when it comes to theory shit so div2question

round sinew
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Hunters, Bodark, Raven's Rock, Wolves, Phantoms, and Los Extranjeros all have similarities.

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Likely because out of those 6, 4 are connected to each other.

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And one is "normal evil Tom Clancy PMC"

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That leaves the Hunters.

wraith light
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Dont the hunters also share a tattoo or marking specifically with one of those factions you mentioned?

round sinew
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Not that I've seen, but their wolf logo is pretty similar to the Bodark logo.

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But Tbh I'd be kinda pissed if Hunters turned out to just be Russian SF

wraith light
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Man

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If they did that, I'd still be playing the game ..

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but very annoyed lmao

round sinew
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Honestly, I think I'll hate any revelation

wraith light
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100%

round sinew
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Currently they have the advantage of mystery, so they seem like these inhuman killing machines. Even if at this point we've all killed like 30 of them lol

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Despite killing so many they're fucking terrifying.

wraith light
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I agree completely man, keep em a mystery

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Expand on them in some aspect sure

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But leave em as you said, inhuman killing machines

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never been so terrified of something like them in a shooter game before

round sinew
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Might just be me, but the Hunters in D2 are scarier than in D1.

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At least in Division 1, you knew you'd have to fight one off in Survival, or randomly get screwed by having one pop up in the Underground.

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But in Division 2, they have cute little puzzles, but even if you're not doing a puzzle, they can just pop out to fuck with you.

steel radish
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I still want them to be third wave

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Especially with Ellis antics

wraith light
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I mean I'm still surprised that they're kinda building onto them still

round sinew
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Yeah.

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The fact they're the Floor 100 "boss" isn't shocking. Having a game mode like that makes sense for the hardest units outside of raid-gimmick bosses be present.

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But having one pop up trying to fuck around while you're chasing Shade is interesting.

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We'll have to see if that Hunter or another one pops up in a few weeks when Wraith comes out.

wraith light
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Did you see what I quoted from the State of the Game thing further up?

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Apparently during state of the game they said "We are not the only ones hunting the manhunt target"

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"they" being the devs

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so most definitely, wouldnt be surprised if Bardon's fight turns into a big thing with a hunter to fight as well as him

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one can hope I guess lmao

round sinew
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That begs the question: Why are the Hunters going after Black Tusk personnel and Black Tusk-aligned Rogue agents?

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The only time they've ever been directly mentioned in-game is when you have to find Edwards. It's the only time someone other than the Player Agent or ISAC seems to be aware of them.

wraith light
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I assumed they were neutral tbh

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Or maybe they're "helping" clear the way for something bigger

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Theres that "nightmare" game mode coming at the end of the year iirc

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set up for div 3

round sinew
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Nightmare seems like a spooky theme in-line with Hunter naming.

cold bramble
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since they even bothered to port d2 to next gen, its very likely to be an expansion

wraith light
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Is div 2 better played on console or?

cold bramble
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alot less problems then pc seems to have

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smoother too

round sinew
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It's not an expansion though.

wraith light
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I nearly bought the base game yesterday n all for xbox

round sinew
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It's been marketed as a limited-time event taking place in Kenly College.

wraith light
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could they not just replace kenly now??

cold bramble
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"limited" because kenly is limited

round sinew
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So I can't tell if it's like a one of the league events we've been getting, or if it's going to be a gamemode.

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idk why Kenly can't just be available all the time.

wraith light
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I've genuinely only tried it once

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Couldn't understand the idea of it

round sinew
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I cleared it on my own once. It's... Interesting.

cold bramble
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its a investigation type mission, its where the manhunt bs came from

round sinew
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It feels like they were trying to test a new format of how to play the game.

wraith light
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I did not get those vibes at all lmao

round sinew
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its a investigation type mission, its where the manhunt bs came from
@cold bramble tbh if every Manhunt was just formatted like Kenly, I'd be happier.

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Much more fun than "replay all those missions you've ground 1000 times already"

cold bramble
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speaking of nightmare, it could be the halloween event they had planned but delayed because covid

round sinew
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Well. We got Summit, which is just Underground 2.

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I'm gonna guess Nightmare is Survival 2.

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Except I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet it's PvE.

wraith light
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I sure as hell hope so

round sinew
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Not PvPvE

wraith light
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Is PvP prevalent enough in div 2 though?

cold bramble
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no

wraith light
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I assumed as much

round sinew
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We have PvP in Conflict and PvPvE in DZ.

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tbh I think it's enough pvp for the game.

steel radish
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I still want manhunts to function like mini invasions

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At least give the targets their own missions instead of a bounty

glad spruce
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Okay, so I was gonna talk how there was a random Hunter showing up in the Shade bounty, but I guess that's already being discussed

I'm more interested about the audio logs for this season. Sounds like the Rogue Agents hired by Schaeffer was a directive from Natalya. One of BT's higher ups, I presume

round sinew
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Yes.

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Seems like Faye is helping Schaeffer gather Rogues. I'd guess they found 8 Rogues, and split the recruits between the two of them.

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I wonder if Natalya Sokolova is on purpose.

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Like the name.

steel radish
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Oh no, SMG lady

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(Death)

round sinew
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What

steel radish
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Because

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Sokolov concern

round sinew
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I was thinking maybe she's related to the Sokolov Concern. Maybe Sokolov Concern is a backer- YES

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Thank you.

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Maybe some of the "brands" we see in-game are the reason Black Tusk exists.

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Maybe they're the investors.

glad spruce
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That reminds me, there's one ECHO from D.C, where Charles Douglas expresses concern about the manufacturing side of D&H with his partner John Harding, and Douglas was believing that a ''secret cabal'' were deliberately freezing out their business.

steel radish
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The lore thickens

wraith light
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Borderlands type shit

timid grotto
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so wait... we have one bounty hunter for Shade now... I heard there was 2 "Stalker Hunters" as well???

wraith light
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Tell me if I'm looking too much into this

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ODER Electronics, the company logo plastered all over the summit building is a lot similar to the hunters logo

round sinew
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Nah, you're looking too much

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That's just a normal trisymbol

wraith light
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oof

steel radish
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I wonder if those same 3 division agents that appear in trailers have any backstory

cold bramble
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Msv hasn't put much thought into the trailers like they did in 1

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So probably not

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Not even memeing like the d1 shills

tepid ibex
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I want a whole ass hour long movie cinematic consisting of Division 1 Factions dishing it out.

round sinew
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I want the movie we were promised

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And not those live action shorts we got.

wraith light
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ah yes the cringe action shorts

tepid ibex
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@round sinew Frrrr tho where the fuck is it? Shit's been in production for like 4 years

round sinew
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Probably development hell.

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I can only assume Ubisoft was ready to make a bunch of movies, but I bet the lackluster reception of Assassin's Creed kinda killed their spirit.

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I know they wanted to do a Splinter Cell movie and a Ghost Recon movie as well, but I bet those got panned like the Division one.

winter solar
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are there actually boxes on every 3 floors of skyscraper?

wraith light
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correct

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if you cant open it, you didnt pick up the access key

winter solar
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if i miss them will i have to do all 100 floors again?

wraith light
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nope

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you can go back and farm it

winter solar
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farm that exact box?

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because isnt there supposed to be exotic parts in them

wraith light
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theres a chance for an exotic crafting item to drop yes

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drops from each box on every 3rd level, so 13, 16, 19 for example

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one for each difficulty in summit

winter solar
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alright i still dont completely understand it but thank you 😄

round sinew
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I've only ever gotten useless trash from those boxes.

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Besides, the hallways of Summit give me anxiety.

pseudo quail
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My first run into the summit, we did floors 1-21. I found a single exotic crafting piece

thick narwhal
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theres 1 pc per difficulty level and the chance of getting it from the crates is like 20%

round sinew
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I've now gone up to floor 60.

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It's all the same.

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Found a team of rogue agents. That was fun.

fierce egret
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what difficulties do they drop[ on though?

thick narwhal
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every. 1 pc per difficulty

fierce egret
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so you have to do it on normal too? :/

thick narwhal
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yes

amber granite
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q. How do rogue agents spawns actually work? I've gotten multiple in the summit recently

thick narwhal
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its random spawn. every level is randomly generated i think

round sinew
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^

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I've only had one. It was an upsetting surprise.

cold bramble
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i got a triple rolled merciless from one earlier

thick narwhal
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ah, an exotic component

round sinew
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I got a Diamondback with shitty rolls. Only thing I've ever that's halfway decent.

waxen fox
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lol my diamondback was god roll

round sinew
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It was better than my Kenly College one, so it's whatever. I usually have shit luck anyways.

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Though I found out my gearset is actually good on Challenging.

waxen fox
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I wanna know where to get the eagel bearer

low mural
waxen fox
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well @low mural how would I have known?

low mural
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Well the channel names are right there for you

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And this channel says “game spoilers”

cold bramble
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@low mural homer shoots mr burns

round sinew
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@low mural Rico executes Visari in cold blood.

winter solar
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im in a 3 man squad and doing summit and we got to level 80 what type of builds should we take into legendary

merry folio
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@winter solar When I ran it with my group, we had a legendary setup variant of 1 healer, 1 CC, 1 DPS full red, and 1 Hunter’s Fury Hybrid with the healer making the shields borderline invincible.

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But you should always have a healer, and you can either have 2 DPS with the healer or 1 DPS with a healer and CC

winter solar
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is there any checkpoints from 91 to 100 or is it all in one go

merry folio
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There is only one checkpoint at 91, and to reach 100 again, you’ll need to go from 91-100 again

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If you wipe, there is a session checkpoint every 3 floors that will go away when you leave the session, so it would go like 93-96-99

winter solar
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ah okay

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so if you die at 100 you will spawn at 99

merry folio
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It’s kind of weird

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Let me elaborate

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Clearing floor 93-96-99 gets you a checkpoint, getting to 100 gives you the usual permanent 10 floor checkpoint, but will not give you it to go back to after extracting

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If I’m correct

winter solar
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i understand the leaving summit takes you to 91

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and so on

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just didnt know if you get cps at 99 or so

wary ivy
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This should 100% be fixed (they said ON Stream that you ONLY have to go through the Summit ONCE) they lied because as it stands you have to be lucky enough to get all 5exotic pieces and then go to 100. Doing 91+ is a extreme pain in the ass. And we should totally be able to go straight to 100 after finishing it

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Also all inifinite spawns on the objectives must go .... it's neither fun nor any joy of replaying it

tall tendon
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There are no infinite spawns

round sinew
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^

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Unless it changes on higher levels, me and a mate discovered sitting outside doors and using our turrets to pick enemies off until they stopped spawning. We were both skill builds. We made it to 60 before we got bored.

tall tendon
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It's the best way to solo certain objectives on legendary

spiral turtle
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So do we have a definitive answer on what’s up with the hunter in the shade bounty? I know some people said he was named for them. Mine was unnamed, fought the rikers, i shot him all the way down and he disappeared.

round sinew
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Nothing yet. Wait for the next bounty.

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I bet he'll be back. Or another one.

candid spire
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was just about to ask that

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Did the manhunt bounty, the section before the final boss I saw a hunter puff of smoke but no Hunter

round sinew
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He's very shy

candid spire
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Wish I recorded the bounty now lol

vapid light
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Very strange I thought it might be a bug or one I triggered by accident. Guess that all but confirms the hunter’s involvement in black tusks interests.

round sinew
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The opposite

spiral turtle
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^

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According to the wording of something shown previously (I forgot what exactly) it says we aren’t the only ones going after the rogues

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Or something to that effect

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And if it’s referring to the hunters (which is likely) then the hunters have the opposite of interests of black tusk if they are trying to kill black tusk affiliated rogues

vapid light
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Oh that’s even weirder

round sinew
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Hunters are a concerned 3rd party at this point.

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They obviously have issues with SHD, and they also seem to have issues with Black Tusk, or at least the rogue agents.

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At this point, my working theory is they're basically SHD's Internal Affairs. They're out to clean up every other agent, regardless of their rogue status.

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Basically the old 3rd Wave theory, but this is obviously a larger movement than the NYC Waves.

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I think SHD's 3 Headquarters have lost control in some way, and the Hunters are agents activated to wipe out evidence of the rest of the agents.

wraith light
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Have you seen the leaked season 2/3 info at all?

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While on the topic of hunters again

round sinew
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Seeing as we're on Season 3, I don't think anything for season 2 or 3 is really a leak at this point lol

wraith light
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So you've seen how the Schaefer fight is supposedly going to go?

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I hope copying this works

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To not spoil anything to do with the leaks: ||the appearance of this hunter may refer to something mentioned in the leaks of this hunter or a group of them being infact contracted by Schaffer|| Major spoiler in next set, just need to emphasize it here It spoils the storyline of the manhunt basically ||On Schaffer's actual mission it is said that the boss fight starts with the Hunters being ordered to kill the agents, to then two BTSU Lieutenants which would then finally result in Bardon himself. Of course though the leaks haven't proven to be 100% accurate, but it may be likely nonetheless||

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Just some interesting info on our mysterious boys

round sinew
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Maybe

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But then why are they trying to kill Shade?

wraith light
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Black tusk where fucked over by keener, maybe he's taking revenge since we're hunting them down anyway?

round sinew
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Taking revenge on... His own recruits?

wraith light
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Just spit balling

round sinew
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Schaeffer seems like a fairly straightforward and rational guy just trying to do his job.

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I can't see him doing some weird conspiracy where he's hiring two groups to fight against each other.

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He gains nothing from the Hunters that work for him to be fighting and killing the rogues that also work for him.

wraith light
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Very true

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I enjoy spoilers too much you see

round sinew
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We just don't have enough info yet. But they seem to be opening up Hunter lore now, so we'll just have to wait and see what we find out when hunting the next rogue.

wraith light
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If "Jones" pops up again for the next bounty then something is 100% up

round sinew
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Maybe another Hunter pops up. Maybe we'll learn something in the audio logs.

wraith light
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Hopefully, delighted they're getting some content

winter solar
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if i die on level 94 will i respawn at the elevator?

thin dirge
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yes

cold bramble
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@wraith light who is "jones"

round sinew
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@cold bramble If you've played the Shade bounty, you'll find him.

wraith light
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Jones is supposedly the hunter that you encounter in the Agent Edwards side mission that comes in and fucks around with you, but doesnt kill you

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Now he's back(?)

cold bramble
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a named hunter? that is pretty important if he is unkillable

cold bramble
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i did find him

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he wasn't named though

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that;s pretty cool though

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a named hunter

round sinew
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Supposedly, if he kills you in the Shade bounty, "Jones" is the name that appears in the killlog.

cold bramble
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oh damn

round sinew
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The hunter refused to engage me in glorious combat, so I can't personally confirm this.

cold bramble
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why was he named in the agent edwards one but not in the bounty though?

round sinew
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He wasn't named in the Agent Edwards mission, either.

cold bramble
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to my recolection he was

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yeah he was

round sinew
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It says Unknown you egg.

cold bramble
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yes

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but it is a yellow bar

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why would they change that

round sinew
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Okay, he's not Jones though.

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Sorry, I misunderstood what your argument was.

cold bramble
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ah its ok

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thats big though

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a hunter that has a name

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i would classify yellow barred hunters with no name just harder normal enemies, having a name is pretty huge story wise

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yep

round sinew
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The Agent Edwards Support Hunter is called "Bear" by the community.

cold bramble
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why?

round sinew
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No idea.

cold bramble
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probably because of the military tattoo links

round sinew
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However, that Hunter, and the one in the Shade bounty are different. They're armed with different equipment.

cold bramble
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yep

round sinew
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Doesn't prove they're different though. Dude could've just swapped out gear.

cold bramble
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the going from a named enemy to an elite though

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all normal hunters are elite

round sinew
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Either way, it's still big, you're right. It's only like the 2nd time a Hunter has shown up in a real "canon" situation other than Survival, where they aren't mentioned.

cold bramble
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yep

robust nova
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I killed him so i wonder if he shows up again at some point (if so the should made him unkilleble)

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Maybe he had a issue with faye lau from way back and now is comming for her and like us has to start from the bottow to get rid of the lose ends

cold bramble
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chasing him down like the bloodhound you are doesnt make him not unkillable, the fact he runs away does, that means you arent suppose to kill him like the stalkers

robust nova
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Then he was just to slow🤣

Oh well maybe he had a revive hive on him so he should be ok

cold bramble
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you bloodthirsty monster

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😏

robust nova
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Well he wasnt that tanky to begin with...

Altho i did had ND on and was close to full stacks so over 200% CHD and foam naded him..... So he was doomed

vocal jackal
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so uh, can you not do anything about the castle settlement?

cold bramble
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pick up a broom and clean all of that biological material

neat glacier
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people... is it normal that random hunter spawned in bounty mission?

glad spruce
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Yes

cold bramble
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they are hunting you, so i guess?

glad spruce
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Lots of players had that Hunter show up in Shade bounty mission

neat glacier
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okay thanks. cause we just got it spawned and was like "WTF?!"

lofty spire
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Yeah one spawned for me too

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Didn't get a glimpse of him, thought he was just another elite enemy until he disappeared into the smoke

neat glacier
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we were able to kill it, but no drop

lofty spire
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Think it was supposed to run away

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Other people have mentioned that the hunter ran and hid right as it appeared

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Like it would go up somewhere behind cover and never stick its head out

neat glacier
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i guess it happened cause we had like BIG chunk of enemies running around and thanks from cc by shock trap and fire from me. Since it happened with 2 stacks of black tusk right in the same place

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and he EMP them all

lofty spire
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Makes sense

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I did the bounty with one other person through a backup request

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So it was just two of us

neat glacier
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we were 2 also. But like i run eclipse with fire + shock, and those 2 stacks of black tusk around happened

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and he basically appeared in their ranks

lofty spire
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Interesting

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As I said, I didn't even really recognize it as a hunter until he disappeared

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TBH I don't remember him ever actually directly attacking me

winter solar
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Healer for level 100?

round sinew
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Go to lfg

west patio
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I think that hunter was there to kill the target to prevent another loose end for Bardon but we killed it's target for it

round sinew
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Doubt it. Bad take.

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With current information, it makes no sense for Bardon to be ordering Hunters he controls to kill rogue agents he controls.

fair oxide
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Does the hunter drop a mask?

cold bramble
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no

shy ridge
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So I found a 4th wall break Easter egg in the summit

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So you know those SHD tech crates you find in the summit and in Liberty Island?

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Well if you die to rouge SHD tech the only datapoint is a quote from Aaron keener saying ‘did you really think you could beat me?’

round sinew
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I like the fact that you died to some SHD tech to find that out.

shy ridge
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Yeah well Legendary is hard

cold bramble
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wouldn't necessarily call it a 4th wall break considering we are technically still fighting him (by proxy atleast)

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the quote is unnecessary though tbh

shy ridge
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It’s not voiced over

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It’s just a quote

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But that quote couldn’t of existed because you beat him

cold bramble
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we didn't, not yet atleast

shy ridge
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It’s more of a half-4th wall break, like with the objectives in Liberty island

cold bramble
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we killed him sure, but we are still dealing with his plans

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we are still "fighting" him

shy ridge
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Yeah but he’s dead, so his ghost...that actually would be an explanation

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His ghost is mocking the player

cold bramble
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div2relax i did say by proxy

shy ridge
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Well I still do think it’s an interesting piece of trivia anyway

round sinew
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@shy ridge Those aren't really 4th-wall breaks either.

shy ridge
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Yeah, that’s why I said it’s like a 4th wall break

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It challenges the players ideas of how the game world interacts with our view of the world

round sinew
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Nah, it's just Keener fucking with ISAC and trying to demoralize the agent.

cold bramble
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^

round sinew
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Though if Keener is trying to tell me instead of my agent that everything is meaningless and I should give up, then he's really beating a dead horse because my depression demons already tell me that in real life and I don't need no fucking two-bit half-ass video game antagonist to tell me what's up.

spiral turtle
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oh

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that was dark

cold bramble
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oh damn

cyan path
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Keener chose the worst person to demoralize with you...

round sinew
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If it was me in the game world, that reject Saturday morning cartoon villain Keener should be very afraid because every time he fails killing me, I'm just going to get more pissed at the fact that I'm still alive because no one wants to kill me more than me.

cyan path
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you sound like what my Div 1 agent would be like after months of failures in New York between Div 1 and Div 2

round sinew
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Oh the D1 player character is totally dead at this point lmao.

cyan path
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I like to think that mine isn't

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Faye Lau was a cripple during 99% of Div 1 and she's still alive

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what prevents my hard ass player with a fully automatic LVOA-C, House, and Classified Nomad set from surviving?

cold bramble
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div2relax mine is totally dead, i'd like to think she would've joined BT just to backstab them

humble coral
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Contaminated Area level 9999

cyan path
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shit u right

lunar night
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Lot of 2nd wave agents turned traitor

mint citrus
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Unfortunately

cold bramble
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OMG! How did YouTube miss this?! On The Summit, SHOOT all of the buckets with "the mop" shotgun and get something AWESOME at the checkpoint! (10th lvl) You Can't miss ANY of the buckets they are missing mops so this was a no brainer!

vocal jackal
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With black tusk being a thing in the game, literally invading the Washington D.C

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Where in God's name is the US military

glad steppe
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Dead I guess

lost lark
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by the US military i assume you mean the JTF?

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which is literally the joint task force of the army, the navy, and the airforce

cold bramble
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Dead I guess
div2lalala we wouldn't of been activated if this wasn't true

lost lark
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that too

steel radish
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The JTF pulled out of Washington, leaving only the ones in the White House

lost lark
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yes

wicked crest
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I need a brief synopsis of spoilers in proper chronology

tawdry shadow
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I just lost 5 braincells trying to understand what you said

wicked crest
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😆

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I skipped all the cutscenes and tutorials and everything

tawdry shadow
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lmao

wicked crest
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It didn’t matter to me coz I’m extremely accurate and get lots of headshots

tawdry shadow
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Same except that I focus on Division 1

wicked crest
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I have div 1 will start on that when this trail week ends on 2

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I noticed that even with low level weapons if I get two headshots they die

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Like even if they’re like 20-30 levels higher

tawdry shadow
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It took me 2 months to get to level 30 lmao

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I can shred level 34's and mini boss'

wicked crest
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I started yesterday I’m at 11 I think

tawdry shadow
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In div 1?

wicked crest
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2

tawdry shadow
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dam

wicked crest
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I already finished the easy achievements with my other account

tawdry shadow
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I still level 2

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I'm level 30 in div 1

wicked crest
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I just use a shotgun sheild build

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In my first acc

tawdry shadow
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All high ends, gear sets, and exotics

wicked crest
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Main acc one I’m trying a drone plus enemy scan thing

tawdry shadow
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well not all

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But some of them

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I have like 4 exotics

wicked crest
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I’ll get on div 1 tomorrow once this free week closes

tawdry shadow
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a high end shotgun that does 139 thousand damage lmao

wicked crest
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Add me we play together

tawdry shadow
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Div 1 is cross plat right?

wicked crest
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Idk I have it on uplay

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U on stadia or what?

tawdry shadow
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Nah

low mural
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No crossplay

wicked crest
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PC?

tawdry shadow
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Xbox

low mural
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He’s Xbox

wicked crest
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Damn

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Even division 2 is like internal PC cross play only right

tawdry shadow
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I'm in school but im on discord right now lol

wicked crest
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Or does it sync with consoles?

tawdry shadow
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idk

lost lark
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nothing syncs with consoles

tawdry shadow
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Add me back? (discord) @wicked crest

wicked crest
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U can still add me on uplay

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With the club app

tawdry shadow
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Ubi club?

wicked crest
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Yep

tawdry shadow
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I can't get on my xbox until like 1:15

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Because I have school which absolutely sucks

wicked crest
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Ubiclub is really convenient coz u can see the psn and Xbox ID too

lyric gyro
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to answer you net, i think that the bardon manhunt is gonna be in the summit after the hunters

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im just not sure how sokolova ties into this

green dragon
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No its in Coney island

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U fight him in coney island, A hunter chases both of you through coney island and they are teamed up.

lyric gyro
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datamine?

green dragon
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;)

lyric gyro
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thats interesting

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btw if you know how to datamine, do tell because we could use some info for a division spreadsheet

low mural
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Oh I saw that same thing from a reddit post

green dragon
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Agent Manhunt Locations for Season Three

Shade = Two Bridges {Bounty} (Comes with a hunter)

Wraith = Judiciary Square {Bounty} (Comes with a hunter)

Dusk = Southwest {Bounty} (Comes with a hunter)

Belfrey = West End {Bounty} (Comes with a hunter that is apparently "Chasing her")

Schaeffer = Coney Island {Mission} (Teams with a hunter)

Coney Island Hunter = Coney Island (Part of the mission)  
green dragon
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TL:DL version of those audio files are, Black Tusk is confirmed to be working with hunters. All agents and Schaeffer are working with and or being chased by hunters. But the hunters chasing them are being put on Black Tusk payroll. We have a new name, Natalia Sokolova. Appears to either be Schaeffers boss which was already found out a couple days ago. And last but not least, Faye Lau is getting a job propisition to work with the president.

mint citrus
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OH shoot WHAT

round sinew
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Uhh

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So, if this isn't a red herring and hasn't been changed since the leak

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Sounds like BT has decided to get rid of Schaeffer and BTSU in general.

green dragon
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Doesn't seem like it. They are too important.

cold bramble
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it's easier to tail someone working with someone instead of the actual target, bardon may be marked because of his deals though

round sinew
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If they're so important, why is BT hiring Hunters to hunt Bardon and his dumbass Rogues?

cold bramble
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i don't agree its BT but the reason for "going after them" is because of the rogues

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div2question what the datamine implies could give hunters another reason for going after the shd besides "just because" but i don't believe it at all till we get more evidence

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it tremendously undermines the character/faction of them set so far

humble coral
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My question is more about why they cooperate with each other more than who betrays or abandoned who in general. Like, they are so.... philosophically wrong to each other they probably will start shooting each other

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Immediately

cold bramble
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div2lalala also there is this question, Why does the BTSU exist when a unit like the hunters also does "for the black tusk"

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😑 the datamine when a question like that exists just screams "this was player made"

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maybe another push to link them to bodark and the russians

green dragon
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If u want I can send u the audio files that confirm it, But BT are most likely working internationally

round sinew
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@humble coral why who cooperate?

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If you mean the rogues, I can answer that. If you mean the Hunters or BT, I can't.

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@cold bramble I agree Tbh. This has real "big if true" vibes and if it's true, it kinda makes the Hunters out to be kinda weaksauce.

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They go from walking grim reaper death machines to lapdog bitches of Black Tusk that are so morally bankrupt they have no issues killing their own if told to do so.

green dragon
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The mission seems to be you chasing Schaeffer around Coney Island with rikers all around, Hunters intercept the mission and mow down the rikers, Goto Schaeffer and team with BT.

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Seems to me more than one, maybe 3 or 4. and the one that teams up with BT being the 5th.

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@cold bramble If u were talking about the hunters

round sinew
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Seems confusing af

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They kill Bardon's pawns, then team up with Bardon.

green dragon
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Theres a hunter which each rogue agent so. Im not terribly suprised seeing as they fought along side all 4 of the rogue agents.

vapid light
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I mean if us tailing shade gets us a step closer to Bardon. I can see black tusk taking her off the table being a reasonable thing to do.

steel radish
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I love some of the hunter quotes

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“You find bear? No, bear find you”

outer pewter
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Can I have the audio file?

iron ice
left radish
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wow

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lmao

rigid topaz
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what do you guys think hunters are 3rd wave or spetznaz because i know they do speak russian

lost lark
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i think theyre cool peeps hwo are just missunderstood and just want hugs and cuddles next to the fireplace

shy ridge
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I am so upset

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I got to floor 100 finally and was doing really well then we all died and I had to leave

left radish
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shit so sorry dood

shy ridge
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Like I would have few complaints if you guys didn’t spam disrupt so much. It’s really annoying.

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Like lower the spam if that and it would be fine. But given that I’m talking to one hopefully you guys will listen

mint pilot
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are you talking about the hunters and how they spam disrupt because there are ways of resisting that as a whole

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tactical link in the tactician tree is a good start

shy ridge
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Thanks for the advice

mint pilot
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np

left radish
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omg

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im a hunter and i didnt kno that lol jk

round sinew
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MJ: "Hold up, time out."
Hunters: stop shooting. "Yeah bro, what's up?"
MJ: "Can you stop spamming disrupt? It makes this difficult."
Hunters: "Oh shit, sorry bro, our bad. We still cool?"
MJ: "Yeah we cool. Okay, game on."

shy ridge
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Damn I wish

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Imagine if this game was like fallout and you could just convince the enemies to not fight you with a speech check

round sinew
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Just put a bucket over their head and walk by

cold bramble
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@steel radish do you have an audio file of those hunter quotes?

steel radish
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It isn’t audio file

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It’s when they kill you and you inspect

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I never heard them speak actually

round sinew
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Never will

spiral turtle
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@round sinew so you think petter

round sinew
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They won't waste the time

spiral turtle
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truth

warm ginkgo
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So, in the liberty island ferry cutscene, if you look on the left side of the screen, it says MAX SCHAEFFER. Not Bardon, MAX. Unless that's his fake name or its a family member. Because we know that there's a boss to Bardon Schaeffer, as seen in an ECHO in DC.

cold bramble
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that might be his dad

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and if it is then his dad might be the leader of black tusk but that's a huge stretch, because bt probably wouldn't have neoptism

cold bramble
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I do hate how Rogue agents tend to just W key you constantly

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Like they just go full fucking send

round sinew
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W Key?

low mural
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Means they rush you

cold bramble
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xd

round sinew
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Ah

cold bramble
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its so FUCKING annoying

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like when u get 6 of the cunts spawning

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n they think yoooooooo lemme just push this mf 😳

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but no my tank shield and godroll famas is just useless

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but its okay i dont mind dying

crisp shuttle
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drip hunter escaped, how do i get his mask?

round sinew
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Gotta log out and redo the Drip

low mural
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Can we not use the c-word please?

cold bramble
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ight

restive fjord
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I don’t really post in this server but I keep listening to a Agent Kelso audio log named “Psych Assessment” and the second division person talking in it sounds like the unknown Black Tusk voice in their audio logs. Don’t know if it’s been discussed before or just a reused voice actor or something 🤷‍♂️

spiral turtle
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Probably just a reused voice actor

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There’s a lot of them on the game

candid arch
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how the hell are you meant to win against keener

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ive been fighting him for like 2 hours

spiral turtle
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You destroy his skills and shoot him

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It’s not hard

round sinew
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You kill him before he has a chance to hack your skills.

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Trying to stretch that battle out is possible, but it's way more upsetting to attempt.

cold bramble
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Or have a reassigned chest piece, get shock ammo. Whenever he’s about to do something shock him

leaden marten
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i almost broke my controller fighting keener

granite tapir
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first time keener was torture, yeah

leaden marten
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i never wanna fight that piece of shit again

granite tapir
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what if i said you have to in order to kill Shade

leaden marten
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i dont really do the manhunts

granite tapir
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Then it wouldn't matter, lucky you!

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but it wasn't nearly as hard tbh, now that i'm in an actual build unlike at story end

leaden marten
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yeah you can go into the fight with a real build instead of shit you jus found

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i pretty much mained the police M4 the entire warlords campaign

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then i found a decent LMG to use

vapid light
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Keener this time felt like bullying on my part compared to the last time.

cold bramble
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the keener mission was

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soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo boring

round sinew
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I feel like the story difficulty missions are easier than when I first played them? Like in general, it feels like they have less adds.

grim remnant
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Keener was ez the first time lmao

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Just shoot him and his skills

spiral turtle
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@round sinew because it’s an even easier difficulty level than normal, so it will have even less adds with even less hp. Essentially just shooting cardboard with a .50 cal

round sinew
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I feel like Normal replayed is easier than the story difficulty the first time through, though.

spiral turtle
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Hmmm

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Idk

shy ridge
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Update: Finally killed all the hunters and beat the summit 🙂

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now i just have to go get Ridgeway's Pride

cold bramble
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nice

weary pivot
#

Oh wow. Me and my buddies are on 30 rn.

green plume
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the Aaron keener mission of WoNy is a collection of everything i hate. the razorback, marauder and hounds >:C

glad spruce
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Liberty Island might have been hard and too frustrating for some people during release month, but there isn't an excuse to be hard as of this time

green plume
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?

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a: this is my first run of it
b: im just saying what i hate is all collected in 1 mission

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i never said it was hard

round sinew
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It is time consuming.

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Still not as bad as the Pentagon missions imo.

green plume
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i did struggle a few times on keener himself

vapid light
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We don’t talk about the Pentagon missions here.

cold bramble
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who the fuck are the little loot goblins that spawn randomly

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when you shoot their pack it gives you loot

low mural
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You just answered it

cold bramble
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loot goblins?

low mural
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Yea

cold bramble
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lol

hollow wing
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whattt this is real?? Lol loot goblins😂 what have I walked into XD

cold bramble
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they come from the christmas event

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dropped a dope chicago typewriter

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that shot snowballs

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but that was before new york so the sleigher is lvl 30 and useless

tall tendon
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Not really much more useless than it was before

clever pulsar
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The sleigher is the worst

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I had it in my stash for ages before i got level 30 finaly got to use it and well

median hound
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yo what's the difference between a rogue agent and a hunter because they sound like the same thing

timid grotto
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They're not literally loot goblins... they're from the underground fraction xD

steel radish
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Hunters are non named enemies spawned through specific ways, award masks and are generally a lot stronger

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Rogues are random encounters in activities and drop named items

round sinew
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Also their lore is different for now.

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Rogue agents are SHD agents just like you but at some point they decided to turn traitor for X reason. Which immediately makes them all bad guys no matter what and the punishment is death. Don't question it.

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Hunters are... Something else. But they don't like you so that's enough reason to kill them.

static bay
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@round sinew to be fair, even though you can be marked rogue for harmless reasons, many of the Rogues in the manhunt have done some seriously fucked up shit. It would be pretty safe to assume that the random Rogues we encounter have their fair share of crimes.

round sinew
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Meh

steel radish
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I know it’s probably because they’re named enemies

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But they’re also yellow

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So who knows

livid bloom
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So im not sure if anyone else has noticed but Memento has a bit of a Story to tell, not from the Inscription but rather the watches on it. If you're under the right Lighting, And wearing the Hunter themed Apparel, You will notice the difference between the watches on your apparel items to those of Momento, Because they are red.

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Not to mention But who shows up while your on the bounty for Shade? A Hunter.

open crest
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Are you suggesting they only hunt rogues?

round sinew
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No

livid bloom
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No, Not by a long shot because the apparel gear shows Orange watches. I think that one theory about them being the Clean up crew or Third wave may hit home

round sinew
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He's suggesting Memento is a weapon confirming hunters take delight in collecting the heads of Rogue agents.

livid bloom
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Yes and No.

round sinew
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I type slow lmao

livid bloom
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I think the Hunters are a
"Third Wave" that were trained to Hunt Any and All Division agents, Rogue or Not Rogue.

round sinew
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Yeah. I brought that up a few days ago.

#

We all just talk in circles around each other lol

open crest
#

Frankly the whole wave system just seems flawed.

livid bloom
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Lol yeah but its fun to fantasize about their Purpose and their Motives

open crest
#

And is there differences between the waves?

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Is the 2nd wave meant to be better or worse than the first

round sinew
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Waves mean nothing outside the first game tbh

open crest
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Or is it just a case of having people in reserve

livid bloom
#

Well its a really Really long story

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So, Essentially, The First wave of agents, Typically the ones we hear about in The Division had gone "MIA" (Later confirmed to either be Rogue or Dead)
Due to them being considered MIA the Division commanders send in The Second Wave to Investigate what is going on in New York with all the MIA (Rogue/Dead) Agents. and they learn of the betrayal of most of the First wave, keep in mind that the Government is watching this all through the data streams through ISAC.

So the theory is that During the Discovery of the First Wave's action the remaining Government decides to make an Unknown Third wave that neither of the first two know anything of, and These Third Wave agents are kitted out to Kill any and all Active duty and Rogue agents on sight. and the gear these Hunter's have make this a Very compelling theory but its just that, A theory.

#

But there are many theories out there for who the Hunter's are and what they motive is

open crest
#

Isn't the government more or less dead by this point

round sinew
#

A game theory

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To be fair, the 1st wave was outright unprepared for the chaos of New York City.

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It's pretty much established that, out of the ones who survived, they were caught in the Dark Zone and left behind.

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And then the 2nd Wave was basically destroyed in a single blow.

#

Iirc canon is/was the entire 2nd Wave was destroyed when the helo was shot down, leaving only Faye Lau and the 1-4 Player Characters left alive,

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Granted, by the time of Division 2, waves don't matter as they're specifically a NYC thing. And since then, with the comics and books, it's established that SHD agents routinely travel around to different areas depending on needs.

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Tbh I wish there was some explanation for where the D1 PC/PCs are.

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Since by Division 2 WONY, there's basically no loyal agents left in NYC.

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Where'd the 1-4 Agent team in NYC go? Did they die? Did they go rogue? Did they get transferred?

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I can't see them leaving Faye alone in NYC. So I doubt they were transferred.

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I also doubt they went rogue after all the shit the PC deals with in D1 and the 1-4 agent team goes through in the special operations.

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So I think the best assumption is the 1-4 agents left in NYC have died between Division and Division WONY

open crest
#

If Most of the 2nd wave was in the chopper, why was the 2nd wave so damn small compared to the first, going by how many rogues there are.

viscid nimbus
#

Just to clarify the end of aaron keener manhunt, why was blacktusk trying to kill him? Something about network that aaron keener made?

lyric gyro
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from what i know, keener used the BT to establish the rogue network somehow, and bardon hates agents and rogues alike, and was pretty mad about keener using him for his own shit

viscid nimbus
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BT?

lyric gyro
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im sure someone here knows more but thats what i know about it

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black tusk

viscid nimbus
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ah, okay

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And what is the canon explanation for the aaron keener's watch?

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Is it black tusk tech?

lyric gyro
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its repurposed division tech

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ISAC is for division and orange, and apparently he created ANNA for the rogues, which is red

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with the help of theo parnell or something

viscid nimbus
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got it

round sinew
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Schaeffer was trying to get Keener because Keener fucked Black Tusk over.

terse ginkgo
#

Anyone have theories regarding Natalia Solokovia? (With or without the context of story leaks)

spiral turtle
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Black tusk turned on keener because he played them like puppets on Coney Island

round sinew
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@terse ginkgo I think she's a shareholder of BT.

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And also likely the daughter of the Sokolov Concern founder.

cold bramble
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puppet would imply they had power to begin with

steel radish
#

Keener pissed off the black tusk at Coney Island

pure matrix
#

so quick question! did keener have a spouse? or was he a single pringle?

glad spruce
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He was married twice, but divorced in both marriages

pure matrix
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Ahh got it! ty!

pallid rapids
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The black Tusk, along with the Rogue agents, managed to convince hunters to be helpers in their plans? div2question

ashen jungle
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I never really saw Hunters as a single faction, to me they're more like rando's who went crazy and set up Saw-level puzzles.

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especially going off how they were in Underground.

pallid rapids
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Hunters also hunt Rogues, right? Perhaps there is a guild. And this guild, some must have betrayed them, and become Black Tusk's allies, or some Rogue agents. div2hmm

ashen jungle
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I would put my Eagle Bearer on the line to bet that Hunter's aren't aligned with Tusk. Tusk are as dumb as LMB were.

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Hunters aren't exactly trying to take over the world, just live in their corner of it. You can see that with Ghost, for example. He only fights you after you salute the fallen. It's a mark of respect.

pallid rapids
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But there must be some reason why they are looking for agents to hunt. There is no other person's desire to do something unimaginable.

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Or, if they are won from something.

ashen jungle
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They went crazy, just like plenty of people did after the world ended.

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I wouldn't exactly call it sane to mark out separate window panels and lie in wait for months for someone to come along and stumble upon your puzzle.

cold bramble
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i wouldn't put the puzzle aspect of hunters as part of their lore, its more of gameplay created like our survivability towards pretty much anything

ashen jungle
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I think it's an issue to ignore any aspect of a character, when the only way that we have to interact with them are those puzzles.

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We could go purely off the Underground Hunters.

cold bramble
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div2relax Are you ready to explain how we can survive things other agents can't without using "plotarmor" as an excuse?

ashen jungle
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Yeah easily: we aren't NPC's who have back stories. We are blank slates who seemingly have 0 personality.

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We are empty paintings.

cold bramble
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definition of plot armor

pallid rapids
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So, in my small and never stated thesis: Hunters, they are ancient agents, lunatic and thirsty for blood and revenge, who live in an isolated guild. div2hmm

ashen jungle
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The Agent you make doesn't get happy or sad over an event, you can RP it if you like but that doesn't make it plot-true.

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us being called "The Sherriff" is the most personality we get over the entire timeline of Div2.

west patio
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We're just referred to as "Agent" and "Sherriff"

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I think it's there so you can make up a story that you like about your agent

ashen jungle
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oh sure, but my point is that it's not exact canon. If anything we exist in kinda a loose "eh" area. I don't think the place we start Div2 at (pre DC) even gets name dropped.

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I'm fairly sure 'Tusk showed up there as we ran off, but that's it.

west patio
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They did

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So wherever you were BTSU are now there, hopefully we get to go back there

ashen jungle
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is that ever gonna be brought up again, do we know? We kinda abandoned someone who was seemingly a friend of ours.

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Hell, make them a warlord or something. Would tie it off.

west patio
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She is alive I think, if I'm right she was brought back in the Pentagon expansion

cold bramble
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😑

ashen jungle
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Uh, that's the first time I'm hearing about that. You sure?

west patio
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I think so

ashen jungle
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I made a new char a week ago and didn't recognise her in Pentagon.

west patio
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I'ma check cinematics to see if I'm right, gimme 10 minutes

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Yeah it's her

ashen jungle
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Name?

west patio
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Agent Sanders

ashen jungle
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Was it ever mentioned in-game that she was a friend of yours? I don't recall that at all.

west patio
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Kelso said something about a reunion I think

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She's the same person

ashen jungle
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Oh good, another butchered plot-point. I swear it's a drinking game by this point.

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Ta for finding out, although now I'm actually way more pissed than I was if we just forgot her.

west patio
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I'd rather her be a rogue

ashen jungle
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I'd rather they re-do WONY so its less dumb.

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I feel like div1 was a waste now. All my effort in that game were undone without even a cutscene.

west patio
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Yeah

unique fern
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That was a pleasure to read. Thanks @west patio @ashen jungle div2thumbsup

cold bramble
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i noticed that the hunter masks in the summit are reused from the ones in new york and dc

terse ginkgo
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Anyone have a conspiracy theory linking Cassie Mendoza and Colonel Morzova

spiral turtle
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doubtful

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cassie is just a gun runner

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morozova is just fucking insane

wicked crest
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spoil the game as briefly as u can

ashen jungle
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@wicked crest like Covid but worse. Murica thinks guns will handle it.

wicked crest
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Nah, just america being its scummy evil filthy manifest destiny self

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But in covid

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🤣

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Trump already nearly dead

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And black lives matter more than covid lives

ashen jungle
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thats not really related to the game tho.

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also pretty rude

wicked crest
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U mentioned america

vapid verge
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uhh

ashen jungle
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yes because the SHD is murica based

wicked crest
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I'm on the cleaners side

vapid verge
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Kizz.. What the fuck?

cold bramble
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a PMC destroys communications for a government group, things happen, peace briefly returns, agents left in NY sends out SOS, things happen, Keener outsmarts us again, here we are

wicked crest
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They've got everything organized

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And Divison just goes in and messess it up

vapid verge
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I wouldn't call it organized

ashen jungle
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DW toxic, kizz clearly doesn't know a lot about the lore if he thinks cleaners are sane.

vapid verge
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yeah

wicked crest
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Every side thinks they're right

vapid verge
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hes like level 9 last I checked

spare arrow
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the strategic homeland division was supposed to be a driving force for good, a "taskforce" to get america back on track to stability in the time of a national crisis.

cold bramble
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@ashen jungle this channel wouldn't exist if everyone paid attention kek

vapid verge
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A secret taskforce to be deployed when the world went to shit basically

wicked crest
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Well shd doesn't get more troops when needed

ashen jungle
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nah, i like to use it as lore speculation @cold bramble

wicked crest
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Basically just play solo or 4 man heros

vapid verge
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thats cause its not the military

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its a taskforce trained in secret, of the best. They cant just draft people into the division dude

ashen jungle
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SHD are closer to black-ops, think more James Bond than troops.

wicked crest
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Even the NPCs say we need more people lol

spare arrow
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But with all the chaos after the green poison hit, and Keener turning agents of the first wave on the rest of the SHD, things went badly

vapid verge
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do you know the deployment waves of the Division?

cold bramble
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@ashen jungle well you are outnumbered by 'muh gameplays'

vapid verge
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and the lore of that?

wicked crest
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SHD are closer to black-ops, think more James Bond than troops.
Black ops just running and running in plain sight yeah right

spare arrow
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First wave was killed or converted by Keener.

ashen jungle
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Let's try and keep it civil here.

vapid verge
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closer to a black ops styled system

wicked crest
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Cleaners are the most civil in the Divison world

ashen jungle
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@spare arrow actually that's not true

spare arrow
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For the NYC divison?

ashen jungle
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Yep, not true

spare arrow
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oh?

vapid verge
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wasn't most of them either rogue or killed in the dark zone?

ashen jungle
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Okay so basically the Dark Zone is the reason the First Wave are mostly gone, Keener is just a by-product.

cold bramble
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div2shrug being truthful, well back to sleep

ashen jungle
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they died "trying to hold the dark zone", taken from the game.

spare arrow
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I mean, still- Most are either Rogue, or Dead.

vapid verge
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cause they got basically locked in the dark zone and would go rogue if they left

ashen jungle
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Sure that works, but Keener wasn't really the cause of that. He was caught up in it.

spare arrow
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Known from Javier + Keener's logs?

ashen jungle
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Known from 100% Div1's collectibles

wicked crest
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Everyone just born into a side or ended up in it involuntarily

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Mostly

ashen jungle
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okay bathroom break, yall keep going.

vapid verge
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👍

wicked crest
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Where are the bathrooms in game never saw even one

spare arrow
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They exist, theres no gameplay reason to keep a bathroom open usually.

vapid verge
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Yeah

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Unless you have that, search for loot styled approach

wicked crest
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Like if the game was realistic a kid died by the virus while on the break using a phone

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It could've been atleast an echo

vapid verge
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Theres no real reason to have that as an echo

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echo's tell the story of the past of what shit was like or who said what.

spare arrow
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Echos are made by footage from cameras and recreations of voice logs.

vapid verge
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I don't think an echo would have a kid dying on the toilet on his phone

wicked crest
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That's what am saying the past of someone takin a shit

spare arrow
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No cameras in a toilet, i would hope.

vapid verge
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Yeah

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they are just digital recreations of conversations

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thats why they are still and dont move

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a simulated scenario to match the voice logs

wicked crest
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Like "mom: get out of the loo... Kid:wait mom I gotta finish this last fortnite thing"

spare arrow
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Some kid taking a bathroom break is just... something that happened before. It'd be a waste of disk space to have voicelines of a kid taking a shit.

wicked crest
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There's too less humor in the games

spare arrow
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If it was, idk, some roosevelt island quarantine type "Stay in the bathroom, all 100 of you" type stuff, i could see it.

ashen jungle
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No cameras in a toilet, i would hope.
@spare arrow Unless you're that twitch streamer.

spare arrow
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Yea....

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Theres quite a few funny lines and funny reads in the collectibles if you are just reading through them.

ashen jungle
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@wicked crest if you think there's too little humour in div2, you would've hated div1. It's a deliberately miserable experience.

vapid verge
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Its set in a post apocalyptic America where all government has collapsed and gangs do what they want and civilians get killed. I dunno if a kid taking a shit is humor to match the game

ashen jungle
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i kinda miss that tbh

wicked crest
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Yep definitely do

spare arrow
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My favorite line is "Piece of shit wristwatch!"

ashen jungle
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The adult rioters getting attacked by a group of kids with baseball bats will forever take the cake.

spare arrow
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Everyone ive played through the game with laughs at that.

vapid verge
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I remember hearing a cleaner yell out once. Something like "Son of a bitch, why dont we have shields like that!"

wicked crest
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That's a far cry copy

ashen jungle
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woosh

vapid verge
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what?

ashen jungle
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okay anyway, yeah div2 is definitely more audience friendly.

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which is good for longevity.

vapid verge
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yeah

wicked crest
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Fc3 yep the negs say that stuff about us

spare arrow
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Its much nicer, atleast.

vapid verge
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thats cause everyone has taken the time to somewhat get used to it

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in div1 its still pretty recent and nobody knows how to cope

spare arrow
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i mean, all factions have stuff like "WHY DO THEY HAVE GOOD STUFF WE DONT HAVE GOOD STUFF"

wicked crest
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Div 2 is much more sunny

vapid verge
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cause its set in summer

ashen jungle
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i do love the weather effects in div2, fog is a great addition.

vapid verge
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Div 1 is set in winter if you couldn't tell already

wicked crest
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Meant like ambience and game mood

vapid verge
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oh yeah, have you ever gotten a sandstorm?

wicked crest
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Div 1 is gloomy

vapid verge
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the red sandstorms are awesome

ashen jungle
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Rick Valassi's weather machine comment made me laugh tho

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too deep of a cut?

wicked crest
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Ac3 still has best weather of all ubi games

vapid verge
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eh

ashen jungle
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games with older tech dont age as well.

vapid verge
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I mean its good weather system, but its by far the best tbh.

wicked crest
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Remastered

ashen jungle
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ac3 wasnt exactly ground breaking when it came to engines.

spare arrow
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I havent played many games with weather tech, but AC3 wasnt... the best with its weather system

vapid verge
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I mean the remaster wasn't all bad

wicked crest
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Remastered
@wicked crest

vapid verge
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they just made everything look like clay

wicked crest
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🤣

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Maybe ur GPU sux?

spare arrow
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You dont even have a GPU, who are you to talk.

wicked crest
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P40 24gb vram

ashen jungle
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youre looking at it through rose-tinted glasses I think. The game looks like pants now.

vapid verge
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Its not my system. The graphics are pretty, smooth to say the least

ashen jungle
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this is kinda getting away from spoilers i feel

vapid verge
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Like looking at a side by side comparison is pretty obvious the textures got mucked around a bit

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yeah how did we start talking about ac3

spare arrow
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comparing weather systems

wicked crest
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Div 1 to div 2 no changes in textures res

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Seems like

ashen jungle
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well thats just a blatant lie lol

vapid verge
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There is dude

ashen jungle
#

but ANYWAY

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div2 spoilers: thoughts on whats happening next with Black Tusk?

spare arrow
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Div1 was already pushing the texturemapping, Div2 is using similar tech in that way

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Almost seems like Bardon'll get replaced, but i have no clue so far.

wicked crest
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They should enable rt for div 2

ashen jungle
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i know the next manhunt is supposed to be against the head of 'Tusk, but thats it

spare arrow
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Head of BTSU? or head of BT straight out?

vapid verge
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I heard through some guys a week ago that Faye Lau will be joining Black Tusk

ashen jungle
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I'd bet BTSU, if they kill off Black Tusk entirely the game needs a new enemy force.

wicked crest
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Did she get back her eye?

ashen jungle
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you dont.....get back eyes lol.

vapid verge
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why would she get her eye back?

wicked crest
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Like some advanced tech

vapid verge
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it got fuckin blown away

spare arrow
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Yea, maybe we'll get a different invading force look... one can hope

ashen jungle
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Actually toxic it was shredded by metal

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aka: opening to div1

spare arrow
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div1 opening yea

vapid verge
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yeah thats what I meant

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like helicopter explosion

ashen jungle
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man she was messed up back then

spare arrow
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like... its gone. Gone gone. hella gone.

vapid verge
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Not getting that shit back

ashen jungle
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she was in bandages in an eternal winter, id say Lau has a right to be angry.

vapid verge
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couldn't even fight or anything

ashen jungle
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im considering joining her, seeing as NYC kinda felt like a waste in WONY

spare arrow
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the only tech advances we are seeing is cleaners and fire, BTSU using Darpa labs equipment, and agents upgrading gear... somehow

wicked crest
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Well atleast she can get half the action view

ashen jungle
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no depth perception tho

spare arrow
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....People with one eye still see a full picture

ashen jungle
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she can take over flying the Planet Express.

wicked crest
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They should add some sexy elements as a dlc

vapid verge
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why

spare arrow
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They just lose depth perception.

vapid verge
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just, why.

spare arrow
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What?

ashen jungle
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oh sure, Faye can be in a cocktail dress and Keener is a mankini

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gotta make it even

spare arrow
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I'd pay to see keener in a mankini.

wicked crest
#

R6 had some funky stuff

ashen jungle
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actually forget the dress, Faye as normal, keener still in a mankini. Turn it into a reverse Arkham game.

spare arrow
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Not really?

wicked crest
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Div can too

vapid verge
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I bet you just looked at IQ's ass when you queue for a match lol

ashen jungle
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we need some balancing out here. What other male character should be in skimpy clothing. Hmm.

spare arrow
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R6 had like... Dokk in tactical yoga pants and Iq in skinny jeans, but... ?

ashen jungle
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I vote Ortega in chaps.

wicked crest
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What's in the rectangular canister

spare arrow
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paul rhodes in a mini-swimsuit, our agent in a wetsuit, Beach episode of div2

ashen jungle
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can Massive please steal the beach event from WF then?

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all Cleaners in floaties.

spare arrow
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i'd be up for that

vapid verge
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cleaner in floaties, bathing in gasoline

spare arrow
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instead of fire they are just shooting waterguns...

vapid verge
#

perfection

spare arrow
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10/10

vapid verge
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its like that pool party pyro taunt from tf2

wicked crest
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Divison Paintball

ashen jungle
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it was meant to be fire, but Kelso swapped it out at the last second for Spice.

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make it lore-friendly.

spare arrow
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would have gotten away with it, if it werent for kelso...

ashen jungle
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and her meddling Warhound.

spare arrow
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kelso: aka the true hero of div2

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all hail agent kelso

wicked crest
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Scooby doo canine

ashen jungle
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youre trying Kizzy, thats all that matters.

vapid verge
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aha

spare arrow
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also wtf happened to kelso's watch? didnt it get busted in one of the story missions? it ever get fixed?

vapid verge
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it must've

ashen jungle
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Considering the excess tech we found in Darpa, im betting we gave her like 30 spare ones.

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i wish that stuff would come up more.

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id pay to make armour out of excess SHD shields for the JTF.

vapid verge
#

oh same

ashen jungle
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Massive, i think we found your next DLC

spare arrow
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Did we ever see the agent watch in darpa? i know we see the backpack part, but do we ever see the watch?

ashen jungle
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"DARPA raid"

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we saw a lot but not everything, considering there was a lot of the lab we never went through I think it's safe to say all of our tech was in there.

spare arrow
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we see most of the skills. striker turret and drone, Warhound and Minitank, Pulse and Hives, but never a watch....

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Yea thats probably it.

ashen jungle
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We see scaled up versions of most of it

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or scaled down that they were working on making bigger

spare arrow
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Scaled up or blueprints of it

vapid verge
#

probably

ashen jungle
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yeah i replayed it like 2 days ago lol, went on a photo tour.

spare arrow
#

its still one of my favorite looking missions

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just because theres SO MUCH TO LOOK At

ashen jungle
#

that plant infested room in the Pentagon is possibly the prettiest area in either of the div games,.

vapid verge
#

I hate the pentagon missions with the passion. Yet i love them so much

ashen jungle
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heavy tLoU vibes.

spare arrow
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yeah, i do like that room

ashen jungle
#

how can you hate a giant drone as a boss? its better than another dude in armour.

vapid verge
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I hate and love it at the same time

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I remember both missions being a fucking bitch too fight for the first time

spare arrow
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it do be like that sometimes...

ashen jungle
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the first time i did that fight i was solo and using an SMG. i wanted to die.

spare arrow
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my friend ran those missions before i did so he was like HAHAH YOU FINNA HATE THIS PART

ashen jungle
#

you know how bad that fight is when you have no range?

vapid verge
#

you remember when the room goes red and some heavy minigun guy steps out and theres 4 jammers on all sides?

ashen jungle
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that was badass

spare arrow
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"Lets see you use skills now, agent!"

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somethin like that

vapid verge
#

I pretty much shit myself. I had to solo that while my friend was downed. Took me around 5 minutes of cat and mouse holy shit

ashen jungle
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i dont know if i should even admit this, but my version of that fight didnt.....my skills still worked the whole time.

vapid verge
#

whaat

ashen jungle
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oh its been fine ever since, worked as intended, just my Story completion of it glitched out.

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so that fight was nowhere near as hard.

spare arrow
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i was running a skill build at the time. Made my life hell for the 5 minutes that the jammers were up

vapid verge
#

Same, 5 minutes of cat and mouse

ashen jungle
#

i did wonder at the time if something was supposed to happen.

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imagine open world events with those agent killing EMP's

vapid verge
#

that would be awesome

spare arrow
#

I'd love more open world events

ashen jungle
#

i guess lore-wise it wouldnt make sense since the point of that mission is we stopped it.

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I dont think Summit counts, before someone says it.

vapid verge
#

yeah no I dont think it would count

glad spruce
#

I'm more interested to see more of this manhunt's audio logs, especially concerning Natalia Sokolova and how Faye Lau might play into the role of things once Bardon is out of the picture

steel radish
#

I doubt the summit fits into lore much

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Like how underground and resistance hunters didn’t really fit into lore

cold bramble
#

yep

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plus the summit masks hunter masks are reused from previous hunters

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so it can't fit into the lore

lost lark
#

you'd think after seeing a group of 4 people literally clear an entire skyscraper the "bad guys" in Washington and new york would stop trying to kill you, and yet they still do. truly baffling what determination can push people to do.