lone salmon
The weakpoint highlight turned me into pretty much a weakpoint sniper lol
#division-universe
pine spindle
how much does the WONY add?
cold bramble
@pine spindle 10 hours of gameplay, 15h + w/ extras, 40+ if you count the end-game grind (well if everything goes well kek)
the grind varies person to person :x
pine spindle
❤️
dusk dove
More than enough for the $30 tag.
paper bison
Not worth it. The campaign is the only thing good about it. The end game grind is mindnumbingly tedious and the loot is absolute garbage 90% of the time. Another fun fact. You can't play end game activities with your friends who don't have the season pass, As level 40 is locked behind a paywall.
cold bramble
💩 the only thing true about that is the not being able to play with your friends LOL
ah, general chat just proved that wrong 2
stray gulch
When is tu 9
paper bison
@cold bramble Hehe! Have fun raiding with your level 30 friends when you are level 40 and pls share your experience. It's like people are so busy sucking up to ubishit, that they cannot be impartial anymore. Correct me if I am wrong. The end game so called "manhunts" involves capturing some control points, doing bounties, and replaying the same missions you have played for shitty loot a thousand times. I got so tired of farming heroic missions with bullet sponge NPCs that can one shot your for fun, just to get exotics with shit rolls, that you cannot do anything about. Not to mention they nerfed all the fun gearsets like Aces and Eights to the ground and there are no holster talents on exotics anymore. This is not even considering the game breaking bugs(unable to revive teammates for example), glitches(Like the DPS glitch) and dreadful lag. Never should have wasted 30 Euros on this shit!
@pine spindle There is nothing to play apart from the 10hr campaign that is fun and challenging. Apart from that, there is really no other end game activity in the WONY expansion as of now. Unless you count the dumb global events for shaders and other cosmetic items end game activity, you are paying $30 for 10 hrs of fun. If I were you, I would hold off on the purchase until they add more content before going for it, or you are going to be disappointed.
wispy sky
@paper bison Maybe this game just isn't for you? Have you considered that? If the only thing you consider fun and "challenging" is campaign on story mode, then that's probably the case.
formal moon
ever tried legendary this is challanging
dreamy jungle
what day is the reset for raids ?
paper bison
@wispy sky So this game is only for those, who like to go on a mindnumbingly, tedious grind(to what end, I don't know) of playing the same old missions a 1000 times? Gotcha! And BTW, I have moved on from this game about 2-3 weeks ago, as soon as the first manhunt launched. Now I play a better game that has 7 raids, 2 dungeons, ordeals(which are extremely rewarding BTW as they almost always drop exotic armor with god rolls), Gambit(PvEvP), Crucible(PvP), nightmare hunts among other things. It has 130+ exotic armor and over 100 exotic weapons. And guess what? Exotic weapons do not roll with 4% weapon damage(my first bullet king). All exotic weapons have the same damage and talents unlike crapison 2!
wispy sky
@paper bison this game is for those who like it's setting and combat mechanics. You don't have to grind the same mission 10000 times over to enjoy this game really.
paper bison
So you are saying there's hardly any new content and you just keep playing it for the heck of it? Wish someone told me that before I bought the DLC!
wispy sky
There is plenty of content as it is. I don't even know what to tell you. I guess you shouldn't be spending 123 hour per day on one game and then complain that there is nothing left for you to do.
paper bison
Pls enlighten me what new content is there in the DLC apart from the 5 main missions?
There's no new raid, not even a stronghold. Its just same old bounties and control points
wispy sky
It's more of the same, yes. If you don't enjoy the atmosphere/lore and basic gameplay loop then you're gonna have a hard time sticking with this game. Loot is good as long as you don't entitle yourself to getting constant godrolls. Not sure about hive, mine works.
Plus Keener sexy af on manhunt screen, that alone is worth 30$ in my book.
blazing marten
I guess i'll ask in here.. After this NY update, getting exotics are the same as before ? in particular i'm interested in Chatterbox atm.. I got the 3 parts, did Bnk HQ on challenging for the Blueprint but i didn't got it.. is it different to get BP now ? or is it not guaranteed drop anymore ?
dreamy jungle
yes its the same way @blazing marten
blazing marten
OK.. so it seems i didn't needed to get the BP again.. but it still didn't let me craft new one until i deleted the lv30 one.. so there's that.. kinda sucks, since i wanted to leave lv30 exotics on my alt that i was still playing from time to time with others that didn't had NY DLC.. but oh well..
cold bramble
@blazing marten dont delete it
put in stash and take it from your second character
then you can can craft it again coz BP is already in Crafting station
echo oxide
@blazing marten if u already got the blueprint before you dont need to get it again
queen ginkgo
will be be able to reroll normal item too ?
cold vault
Ohh noo all the spoilers, oh wait its three people bitching
Is there a way in stats to see how many people you’ve killed ingame? I think Aaron would like to hire me
quick creek
you could go and compare yourself to friends
it's in progression I think
not sure if it shows total kills
but you can see how many BT/Hyenas etc you killed
hollow jolt
@paper bison they fixed the revive bug
round sinew
Just took down Kajicka.
Could the man be any more edgy?
Vivian and Dragov were assholes, but at least they had a goal in mind, something to do and a group to lead. Kajicka just wants to genocide anyone in the JTF for -reasons-.
quick creek
He had a list of JTF members to take down basically
glad spruce
Well, his psych profile did say that he's prone to become unhinged
full grail
His reasons are just not as long-term as Dragov, Parnell, or Conley. He's in Keener's Rogue crew just for revenge, and after that not even he might know.
Look for his Comms collectibles around New York, it should give a better idea about his motivations.
hexed oasis
Completing subsets and main sets should unlock outfits or skins because right now. Finding all collectibles is just gonna give u a nice boring 34k xp en 8.3k credits
pine spindle
after you return to D.C, with a boosted character, all my gear just says "40" no gearscore, do I need to tier up again?
full pendant
do someone already know what does ANNA means?
velvet glacier
whats the relevance of anna?
final rune
advanced neural network application or sth like it most likely. but, as hawkster said... ;)
and fiz3x, it's keener's network AI
round sinew
ANNA is just ISAC but "evil"
Tbh Keener's team was shit and after he got his way in bombing everyone with his virus, if he didn't kill his own team they would've turned on him and each other.
They had no unified goal and the only two who seemed to really be actually aligned were Theo and Keener, and Keener was willing to let Theo die when push came to shove, so...
Jupiter might just be carrying out Keener's orders from beyond the grave, but at least it seems like her team of asshats is actually coordinated.
full pendant
yeah I know ANNA is the evil ISAC but I'm pretty eager and try to guess it's meaning.
wonder when massive gonna say something about it
round sinew
DLC for year 2 lol
full pendant
lol
cold bramble
yeah unfortunately lol, i don't see it happening anytime soon till we get meat on bardon and faye (probably some hints when we kill jupiter)
compact temple
I think ANNA is an AI like ISAC, but developed by Black Tusk. I think that in the future we'll take down the Black Tusk. I mean there's still a president to hunt.
full pendant
so far the only clue I have about ANNA name would be something like agent new network application but it's too plain so we will need to wait but apparently it we won't know anytime soon
valid quiver
Autonomous Nano Network App
echo acorn
Wasn't ANNA is developed by Parnell by piggybacking the ISAC network?
indigo halo
because rogues and BTSU blend with what happens at the end of WoNY (which was a bit confusing to say the least)
so there are Rogues*, but there are also Rogues**, but not the same. And because we hear about all that through Keener's watch, it can be confusing.
* ||regular rogues, either non aligned or rallied by such as Parnell, or Jupiter||
** ||Faye Lau (which in retrospect was not a great buildup, but hey) who defected to BTSU||
wary ivy
I didn’t seem to catch where ANNA is heard or seen in the game can someone tell me how I missed that?
quick creek
During Liberty Island
Once during the cutscene when the ferry gets attacked and crash lands then again after you destroy the marauder and start going after keener
glad spruce
And you use Keener's watch for SHD leveling which you hear ANNA when you unlock a point for each category for the first time
Its fair to say there are two breeds of Rogues. BT Rogues and Regular Rogues
BT Rogues are basically Rogue Agents who sided with Black Tusk. And Regular Rogues are Rogue Agents who's only alignment are themselves
glad spruce
The Hunters are a complete mystery.
scenic compass
thats whats so good about them tho lmao
i really love how they look
so i invested a lot in the covert hunter outfit and hunter masks
got the 12 original... only got 2 from the new ones added since WONY update
frozen sorrel
There's speculation on another discord I'm on that the Hunters are actually Bodark
since at some point it will all come back to russian ultranationalists :V
otoh this is disproven by how the Hunters don't have optic camo
incidentally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgKjbySsAik
2:11
Assault rifle firing full auto - there is spread, but the spread is still contained center mass and will hit vital organs. Admittedly, it's .300 BLK, which is good for sub-300 meters but starts losing effectiveness beyond that range, purely due to physics...
hot gale
I just wanted to drop my two cents into this rink, mainly because the only reason I fell in love with this game is the lore. (Literally bought the books to try to get some more info about this extensive world)
Rogue Agents:
From what I've gathered there's 3 forms of Rogue agents.
The "Keener Agents":
These are the original Rogue agents that aligned with Aaron Keener after the collapse of the DZ when the JTF abandoned them, but because the SHDs primary objective is to save humanity those agents had to choice to either abandon those civilians left behind in the DZ or turn Rogue as they would be disavowing their mission. From what we know all of these agents are from the First Wave. (We learn this from the Kajika collectibles and from the Division "1")
Known Agents (Division 2):
Aaron "Vanguard" Keener: Original Rogue Agent, he convinced many others to join him in his mission against the SHD and JTF for abandoning them in the DZ, status: deceased
Vivian Conley: Former Chemical Engineer, shared beliefs with the Cleaners, upgraded their weapons, status: deceased
Javier Kajika: Former Black Ops Hitman, wants revenge on those who left him to die in the DZ, status: deceased
James Dragov: Son of a Russian Mobster, former Police Officer, worked at Rikers Island as a guard, grew to know the inmates, treats them like family, now runs a Black Market, status: deceased
Theo Parnell: Technician, avoids detection, doesn't trust the government, trying to find his fathers murderers as he believes there was a conspiracy to assassinate his father who was a Senator, status: deceased
Molly "Jupiter" Henderson: Planning an attack on DC, status: alive
Chadwick "Neptune" Brandon: Flight engineer, murdered JTF officers, status: deceased
Lucy "Venus" Anders: Sharpshooter, thief of supply drops, status: deceased
Mary "Saturn" Masters: Head of logistics, status: alive, location unknown
Ryan "Mercury" Chang: Marked Rogue after torturing and executing prisoners, status: alive, location unknown
Known Agents (Division 1):
"Scarecrow": Was the first agent to join Keener, we encounter him at the Police Academy mission, status: deceased
"Hornet": Lead the assault on the Russian Consulate with the LMB to capture Vitaly Tchernenko, status: deceased
"Raptor" and "Domino": Were ordered to stall the SHD agents while Keener escaped during the assault on the U.N. building, status: deceased
Charolette Clark: The Rogue dispatcher which leads agents through Manhunts to the terminals needed to deactivate them
"Torque": Encountered during the WarrenGate Power Plant mission on Legendary difficulty
"Tarantula", "Redback", "Widow", and "Weaver": Encountered during the Napalm Production Site mission on Legendary difficulty, (spider names, might have some significance)
"Gambit": Encountered in DZ 06 roaming with a LMB patrol
"Shadow": Encountered in DZ 06 roaming with a LMB patrol
"Mars": Encountered in DZ 07 roaming with a LMB patrol
"Lightning": Encountered in the Resistance Activity
Then we have tons of HVT/Open World Rogue agents that have no backstory:
"Nickel", "Geneva", "Javelin", and "Tango": Eagle Squad
"Bluebird": HVT
"Kremlin": HVT
"Predator": Panther Squad
"Harrier": Harrier Squad
"Clydesdale": Horse Squad
"Tulip" and "Daisy": Flowers
"Soprano": Jaguar Squad
"Apollo": Open World Boss
"Espadon" and "Rapier": Blades
"Grim": Found intercepting SHD supply drops
"Caiman" and "Gila": Reptiles
hot gale
The Black Tusk Rogue Agents:
This group is a lot smaller and from what we know there are only 2 known defectors that aligned with the the BTSU those being
Alicia Coswald: Was captured and interrogated by Faye Lau, during this interrogation she is still a "SHD" however she is using the BTSU resources to help her achieve the end goal of the Division; to restore humanity, she was returned to the BTSU by Lau in a exchange of information
Faye Lau: At the end of Warlord of New York, we see Lau having a conversation with Bardon Schaeffer, while Lau's watch has now turned a more "red" tone signifying she has gone rogue, her reasons for disavowing are unknown however it can be assumed that after the trauma she faced during Keener's bombings and the loss of her sister during a assault on a safehouse lead her to breakdown, with the promise Coswald gave her of the BTSU being able to help and finally accomplish something
The "Unknown" Rogue Agents:
These are the agents that went Rogue for their own personal reasons, whether that be to escape the DZ during the First Wave therefore disavowing their objectives or to go offline and not be hunted down by Keener and his goons.
These agents status's are not known and simply cannot be tracked as they have abandoned everything that could symbolize them as Agents.
These agents don't know of the activation of the Second Wave and assume that all visible agents are a part of Keener's group and are out to hunt them.
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If I messed anything up feel free to let me know so that I can make those corrections. Hopefully this clears up and questions people had about Rogue's and their purposes/goals. If you have any other questions feel free to ask away 😄
chrome musk
Ur name tbh
glad spruce
@hot gale Yeah, you did a great breakdown on the Rogue Agents and their categories.
Nice work
hot gale
@chrome musk HAHAH I love it a lot
@glad spruce thanks man! One thing I might change is to categorize the agents that are loyal to Keener and those that are not.
chrome musk
LOL i was jk too glad u didn’t take it the wrong way
hot gale
You’re all good. I get it a lot in the dark zone tbh. Whenever I kill someone and get into a “arguement” they all hit me with the “wait who asked”
unique inlet
thanks for the backstory @hot gale seems accurate
frozen sorrel
@hot gale only bbig thing that jumps out to me is Dragov - as far as I can tell, he wasn't a prison guard at Rikers; his interactions there were as an activated Division agent who was there to do stuff.
other than that, it looks goo
good*
hot gale
Oh I must have misinterpreted the audio messages. That’s my bad.
I thought in the time he was a police officer, he was working at Rikers.
That’s on me I’ll look more into that and fix it. @frozen sorrel
frozen sorrel
np
the way it works IRL is that Rikers is purely run by Department of Corrections, not NYPD.
hot gale
This is somewhat outdated, I originally posted this on r/thedivision and I’ve been making changes there. Thanks a lot ;D
frozen sorrel
np ;)
always good to delve into the lore.
I feel that Div 1 had a stronger, more compelling feel to the lore and presentation - Div 2 doesn't really stand out for me in the way Div 1 did
hot gale
Exactly, I feel the division 2 lore is just forced in as a gameplay aspect.
frozen sorrel
i feel like they generated the factions first then fit the lore aroundd that
and looking at interviews an BTS videos i really get the feeling that massive is a little confuse why do the players keep wanting more lore and story dlc lol 😛
hot gale
Exactly.
cold vault
They always can ask a decent triller author to work for them
After what i did in the dz, i should be a hunter now
round sinew
Are the only rewards from the new Hunters their masks and off-white keys?
worldly terrace
ye
cold bramble
how do you find hunters?
@cold bramble look up a guide on them using youtube, the ones in NY can be quite annoying to get and some of the ones in DC can as well
round sinew
What are the rewards for the Manhunt rogues? Just gear, or is there any, like, story progression?
Same question for the Raid as well.
glad spruce
Completing the Manhunt fully gives you the EMP variant of Sticky Bomb
balmy osprey
FRESH RAID RV11
scenic compass
You also get the Hunter-Killer Vest once you have all keys
@glad magnet whoa, im interested, what does it look like?
cold bramble
It’s a gear piece with perfectly intimidate talent, not a vanity item
You also get the full - black gear dye
glad magnet
It's a Golan Gear Vest with Perfect Intimidate
wary ivy
The Best thing about it that as long as you have bonus-armor (you get some automatically by getting into cover) your Weapon Damage is increased by 40% for all targets in a 10m radius
chrome musk
You’d never want enemies that close
cold bramble
LF 2 more Legendary stronghold high dps build be experienced
placid oracle
Spoiler: US EAST PC Servers are trash
weary yarrow
😮
undone notch
I’ve already fucked up the ‘story’ because I bought the New York expansion, which gave me the boost to 40 and skipped the whole black tusk invasion thing, but I’m now back in DC, and have all the season one stuff available.
Just wondering what order I should do the Zoo, white oak, Coney Island and pentagon missions in?
mellow atlas
definitely do manning zoo and camp white oak first since they correlate more to the initial storyline, then do the pentagon, and then do coney island
undone notch
Thank you
glad spruce
Cool
Right. Obviously, Saturn manhunt is in NYC, so it also involves Coney Island as part of it.
Just finished with Coney Island. I should make more notes as I progress through the Manhunt
glad spruce
Oh, here's some interesting things collectible-wise in this patch.
A new ECHO was added. Its new since its yet to be found.
And Jupiter's audio logs are now a total of 20.
carmine laurel
The new manhunt is in NYC?
glad spruce
Yes
carmine laurel
I'm glad they're using the area again!
fervent crystal
?
carmine laurel
!
lament steppe
I had memorised the original link as to not click on it and you have bamboozled me
glad spruce
So thought I could share some story details from the audio logs we got from the Saturn Manhunt.
So, first things first, Saturn's real name is Mary Masters. She was an attorney before she was activated as a Division agent. At some point, she went rogue when she shot down an extraction helo in DZ West, killing two JTF Pilots and a Division agent. Not long after, she joined Molly ''Jupiter'' Henderson's rogue cell
Saturn was ordered by Jupiter to stay in NYC to keep the operation under control. Later on, she received a package from Keener with the Eclipse Virus inside it. When she informed Jupiter about it, she was ordered to destroy it as their mission was to eradicate the Green Poison. Not spreading something far more dangerous. Saturn got rid of the package.
The last audio we get after defeating Saturn involves Jupiter talking to her Cleaners backup and they're going to D.C to eradicate the Green Poison as she believes there's multiple reports of experiments to weaponize the Green Poison from the blood of Asymptomatic Carriers (Remember when the Outcasts tried to weaponize the virus in DCD Headquarters?)
So from my understanding: Jupiter cell's plan of attack on D.C involves eradicating the Green Poison by any means necessary through finding the labs, samples, and the carriers and disposing them.
I suppose they didn't get the memo we already took care of that problem
round sinew
Which is a shame, because honestly that team of Rogues had good intentions but were bad people.
bitter pagoda
just because ISAC tag them with red ring, it doesnt mean that they are bad.
even keener save mark and sarah
cold bramble
ISAC’s programming is to only heed agents who follow SHD protocol
anybody else who disavows that is marked as a rogue even tho most go rogue for the sake of survival or their families
in the exception of keener, he went rogue because he knew the division was gonna collapse and what else could you save?
now im not on board with going rogue still, even with faye lau deciding to hit the rogue button
since she’s been working with schaefer this whole time via echos + collectibles
honestly, I kinda wish agents could modify ISAC, maybe make it a actual good AI since it’s available to every registered agent in the field
like ask ISAC to play music for you or other such
gotta have something to lighten the mood while you’re trying to restore the government, eh?
cold bramble
listen to music while brutally killing people with no remorse
agents are brutal in reality
cold bramble
well, theyre trained for it
every agent is gonna become an future sociopath after murdering potential THOUSANDS
of hostile factions
im surprised none of them has PTSD
but i get it, theyve been hardened beyond human limits to endure this bc they knew it was gonna happen
thatd be cool either way, listening to music in the middle of D2 on a morning stroll to help out control points
even then, you have agents like auerlo diaz who was the most loyal agent to the SHD
auerlio*
aurelio, omg i cannot spell this man's name
there was always an rumour going around that Agent Kelso was gonna go rogue but i knew faye lau was gonna break either way, she lost her sister & everything she stood for
and testified against going rogue when she spoke w/ vivian
wait, was it vivian? I'm not sure which agent she spoke to that told her about going rogue
glad spruce
Alicia Coswald
cold bramble
yep, Coswald
tysm
im still not on board w/ going rogue
like, every agent is meant to be autonomous and do what theyve been training for, even if the SHD is failing at its duties to restore the government
and agents are dying quicker than ever
the only thing that needs to be fixed is ISAC's rogue system
i dont wanna kill an agent whos only doing it for survival in general but if they went rogue for loot, money, or any malicious stuff, yeah, that agent seeing aint the light of day again
ISAC cant understand emotions
theres an echo somewhere too about some division agents on a rooftop watching what keener was doing
via some drone and said he was dancing in the streets while total anarchy was going on
comes to show how unprepared the shd was when it came to agents going insane
hollow jolt
You'd think with how advanced ISAC is it'd be able to do psychological evaluations on the fly
cold bramble
its only as advanced as the person who made it programed it to be
cold bramble
but ISAC is rudimentary
he’s a learning AI, indeed, an good entity
but ISAC doesn’t understand human emotions in the sense of going rogue
If you don’t follow SHD protocol, there’s nothing you can do from ISAC
Hence why the rogues made their own AI, ANNA
DARPA made ISAC
and spread the presence of it throughout the continental United States in the form of nodes and the bunker cores in the central US
hollow jolt
speaking of bunkers
I wish there were more bunkers to explore, like in open word
*world
I'd loved to have the Pentagon be its own area that was fully explorable
cold bramble
yeah
but of course
massive cant go into the pentagon lol
theyre only assuming what it looks like and stuff
through logical guessing
hollow jolt
well, duh
but that's not what I meant
I meant that they made it part of the open world and instead of being just mission-bound
formal moon
thats to much work
cold bramble
I’m saying like if they even wanna manage making the pentagon open world
Every location that div 2 had was modeled off of real life
with the exception being the more restricted areas
shell frigate
There are couple of declassified things about the Pentagon that are actually known, Cafe Ground Zero is one of the more famous
cold bramble
Yeah
Like I said, the rest of the pentagon’s layout will be up to logical guessing
Unless they get exclusive sneak peeks like they did w/ the White House and other major landmarks
To map out each every individual construct
But it’ll be a lot of work and impractical with what’s going on rn
ahem its corona time
couGhs
radiant knoll
I Just want a working game.. last year was fine.. what went wrong?
pulsar vessel
isac is useless piece of plastic, cant even find way out
cold bramble
ISAC isn’t useless
Like I said, ISAC is rudimentary
He’s an learning AI
but nice reference
manny: piece of shit wrist watch, ok plot a path to the presidents location
ISAC: searching for most expedient route when it could’ve understood what he meant before
so yes, learning AI
cold vault
ISAC will have hos revenge, skold it one more time and it blows up your arm id asume
round sinew
everything was modeled on real life.
So that BSAV bunker on the white house grounds and the Division server basement in the WH are real?
cold bramble
Major landmarks and the construct of the city are real
They released an video detailing this
The other locations are of goobis decision to add to include the division
cold bramble
Yes, that was president mendez
He was killed by black tusk supporting secret service agents
vital swallow
mendoz was killed by secret service
vital swallow
yeah, someone named bardon schaeffer was in on it
cold bramble
Mendez had doubts about the division
Mhm, Faye Lau also was the one who sold info to Brandon Schaefer
vital swallow
And Bardon is one story piece i'd look at
cold bramble
She was working with him to get info
vital swallow
is it bardon or brandon?
vital swallow
oh
game keeps saying bardon in keener mission
another reason she went rogue because she wanted to protect others
her sister was a bit of a influence to her drive and faye did something. not a bad influence though
cold bramble
@trail warren sure, I’ll feel the same, it’s natural instinct for every human, agents arent godlike but they’re trained to handle every spear of danger
Even if it involves being left to rot
At least you accomplished your mission, one way or another
In the case of the missing agents
In the case of Aurelio Diaz, Aaron Keener, Vivian Conley, and all the other agents & rogues
Aaron was insane, he murdered those who didn’t stand with him
vital swallow
agreeable
glad spruce
Just to correct something, its Bardon Schaeffer.
Brandon is a surname for Neptune whom we killed last month
Well... technically, his name is Chadwick Brandon III, but I digress
cold bramble
Ah, I see.
Kinda sad he’s the only commander left, with the exception of the HICOM in Black Tusk.
But I see how he’s sticking in the shadows and relying us agents as means of information
glad spruce
Its fair to say that Black Tusk's benefactors have a lot of faith into the organization in spite of the losses they suffered
frozen sorrel
inb4 it's russian ultranationalists propping up black tust
it's not a clancy game without russian ultranationalists :V
cold bramble
that's where the theory of the hunters being russian spetsnaz comes into play
but it's..a loophole once you take into account of spetsnaz being there in the first place
even if the russian consulate is our big go-to to prove this theory
the benefactors of Black Tusk is literally the president and now he's off, drinking wine and ruining america one way or another
black tusk also has connections to many other agents out there who supply them information on how to counter their gadgets
this is to fuel their radical armada to take over DC and install their own government, saying they're completing the job the division couldn't do + the only way to install such thing is get rid of the division as well
im kinda surprised that the black tusk aren't really that ruthless to normal civies, they only go after those who are supporters of the division or militiamen
with the progress us normal SHD agents are making, black tusk rn is bound to crumble in the wake of their entire commander team being wiped out, leaving only bardon schaeffer to pick up the pieces
the main leaders of the black tusk has to decide on small-scale raids then a full out invasion, now that tidal basin fob was taken over and wyvern, brenner, and the two sisters are now gone, the forefront of the invasion is pretty much screwed over for them
the washington airport is now taken over, so black tusk lost DC all together
thanks for correcting me on bardon schaeffer, i was really stuck guessing @glad spruce
now the division's biggest threat, the new spawn of the rogue faction & their own AI, ANNA
hunters are probably gonna swoop in and do the same as black tusk, waiting for the division to kill each other
as the only way to defeat the division is turn them against each other
frozen sorrel
i'd argue that we've seen no indications that black tusk's command structure has gotten rekt
cold bramble
they're tucked away in the safety of their division bunker-esques of their own
frozen sorrel
yes we've taken out the BTSU, but that's local command
cold bramble
yeah
frozen sorrel
the head honcos are elsewhere
cold bramble
and that's the issue, even if they managed an massive invasion
they're still crippled, they lost experimental tech
b/c of operation dark hours
the best they can do is try to sabotage the SHD from within, which i aint gonna let happen nor wanna see happen
frozen sorrel
i'd prefer if plans for Div 3 were abandoned in favor of ccontinuing to keep div 2 going becuase i feel there's more to the story thaat we can unravel here and there are things we can do with the story
cold bramble
black tusk isnt as large as the SHD is but theyre very advanced
yeah, for me, i try to piece together as much pieces to the lore as it is
there's an youtuber who's called NGN, he helped inspire me on this
frozen sorrel
but in the BTS videos the attitude from Massive is "story? lore? why are you all so interested in this?" :V
cold bramble
go check him out, he has VERY detailed explanations of the lore
because they want agents to focus on what massive's doing currently
theyre not insulting the lore, theyre just saying it's not something people should focus on rn
and i may ask them, then stop giving us patches that take away the fun and doesnt build on the lore lol
if theyre this concerned about insulting the lore
they made the dark zone so perfect, lawless, now with the newer patches, it's like theyre catering to the wimps who cry about being killed 24-7 in the DZ
this is what the DZ was meant to be, all the way since it was made
now, i do gotta give em the respect, they actually fixed some parts of the DZ that were buggy
and with the addition of having the ability to detect agents up to 15m, rogues 30m, and manhunts 50m, i kinda do like that
pat pat for massive but with the newer stuff, yeah uh, i might wanna reconsider
For Div 3, i wanna see it take place in california
in the cutscenes when you reactivate the global country-wide SHD network, there were agents at the golden gate bridge
waiting for their thing to come back on
still showed me there are agents out there who are still loyal
and dont wish to go rogue now
funny thing is, i still wonder how truly big the SHD is
and how many waves that are still waiting to be activated
the second wave showed promise, i kinda want a third wave to combat the rogues n' stuff
dont you agree?
frozen sorrel
not really
i woul prefer to keep Div 2 an continue building on
else we will have to repeat this same song an ddance all over again
the team that makes the game is not the team that maintains the game
cold bramble
not like another game
frozen sorrel
so all of the lessons learned are lost
frozen sorrel
well yes
cold bramble
1 is what started the rogue trend, 2 fixed it (up until WONY) and was the most massive agent influx around the country
frozen sorrel
there's nobody else around to be the third wave
cold bramble
well..
frozen sorrel
it's been 7 months since the dollar flu
frozen sorrel
anybody who would be a div agent has already been activated by this point
cold bramble
maybe there is an third wave, we just dont see it truly being the wave
frozen sorrel
nah
cold bramble
errr, the SHD wouldn't throw every agent out in the field
i hope you know that, they're called waves for an reason lol
frozen sorrel
i know
but logicc holds that if there was a thirdd wave to be activated, it woul have already been activated by now
cold bramble
somebody agreed on the idea sending agents out in waves like we had rather then send the entire SHD force
yeah, true
but not in the sense of the third wave we're seeing, i have yet to see another commander
frozen sorrel
you do not wait more than half a year to deploy follow on waves of agents when things are fucked
cold bramble
like i said, they could be reserves
frozen sorrel
my opinion is that any game involving the "third wave" is goingn to be what i'd call wartime agents
cold bramble
the division has been waiting for this moment for years too lol
yeah, i see what you mean
frozen sorrel
wait first and let me finish
cold bramble
wilco, sorry
frozen sorrel
this is the first batch of agents raised up from the surviving communities
the first & second waves were trained before the dollar flu and the collapse of american society
this theoretical "third wave" is the first batch of new agents trained after the collapse and rebuild of america
cold bramble
yeah
frozen sorrel
like how BUD/S Class 234 has a certainn ddegree of fame because this was the first wartime BUD/S class that graduated and went to war
cold bramble
but even then, every agent selected is already trained beforehand, but it'll make sense for the SHD to still train in their 3 active bunker cores
right
plus there's no classes out there anymore for the agents to do like how the first & second wave had it
because before directive 51 was even signed, all the agents had close to 1-2 years of training with the SHD, preparing, planning, gathering safehouses, etc
third wave could just be add-ons to that
but i wanna see what their agenda could be rather then be another continuation of what the second wave had accomplished
funny thing is, with the amount of ammo each agent has (in gameplay and not actual real life perspective), i wonder how their supply routes aren't severed
do they just have massive underground tunnels giving every agent access to newer gadgets, weapons, and ammo or something
but here's what i was wondering on the hunters, there's a lot of possibilities and us talking about the third wave is what some peeps thought the hunters were
frozen sorrel
what active bunkre cores
cold bramble
there was mentions of it as like bunkers for the division
they're all spread out in the central united states
that are mostly puppet companies for the division and once wartime comes on, turns into a full scale hub to coordinate operations
and are run by a director for each one
frozen sorrel
i'm not convinced that there are an entire network of agents just faffing about in bunkers waiting to be deployed :v
cold bramble
well, reserves
but i get what you mean
i really wanna see one lol
get to explore it and talk with ai agents
that'd be cool tbh, but i doubt massive would ever do that
the only ai agent we talk to is kelso, faye lau, agent brooks, and espinoza before his death
steel furnace
pacman :v
cold bramble
Huh?
scenic compass
"every single SHD gadget in the god damn world detected."
steel light
rogue artillery turret detected
cold bramble
I kinda did like it when ISAC went ‘rogue agent killed’
I’m glad the bastard was gone
scenic compass
it really has a feel to it.
cold bramble
But..in D1, I felt his pain
steel light
but what a great send off tho
cold bramble
Like I don’t have any semblance of mercy to any rogues who has killed
I do respect rogues who disavowed to protect their families but the reason why rogues have to kill is bc of ISAC half the time
scenic compass
me neither.
cold bramble
ISAC demands you to follow SHD protocol
scenic compass
dont forget jupiter actually tries to destroy green poison.
cold bramble
And any violations of that means your rogue activation and under strict demands, you have to neutralize that rogue by any means necessary
or capture them for information
scenic compass
okay the capture them part is a no from me.
cold bramble
but ISAC can’t delineate the barrier between who’s going rogue for survival or who’s going rogue for malicious purposes
scenic compass
if i see a rogue im flicking off my safety.
cold bramble
I kill rogues who killed other agents or wishes to kill
even then, this rogue helped me complete a landmark one time
scenic compass
BRUH
steel light
hol up
scenic compass
oh, another player?
cold bramble
Because you can detect rogue agents on there, ran 400 meters to get to his position
And he helped me finish a landmark
The guy didn’t kill anybody nor hijacked any extraction
steel light
the ravenous is kinda weird for me
steel light
new gun
cold bramble
well the stipulation of being rogue isn’t to kill
steel light
exotic
scenic compass
oh
cold bramble
But for gameplay purposes, of course
they have to lol, either self defense or maliciously
steel light
@scenic compass it has double barrel and its a rifle
cold bramble
And you’re like me, I’ll be glad to put an bullet in em if it ever reaches that threshold
scenic compass
i just noticed how smug your pfp is but im gonna pretend i dont see that.
@scenic compass it has double barrel and its a rifle
@steel light thats.... weird.
steel light
so if you switch sides it changes gun mode
scenic compass
what...?
cold bramble
The ravenous, the upcoming exotic
steel light
the right side its a normal rifle but the left side its a grenade launcher
cold bramble
er, one side has a primer
scenic compass
thats so weird
steel light
i mean not a gl my bad
scenic compass
so its like the merciless?
cold bramble
it’s pretty much stackable primers, once you change positions, you shoot it and it explodes the stocks that had locked into em
steel light
it exploded
cold bramble
it’s like merciless but better
steel light
and the regulus too
scenic compass
slightly better, ubisoft loves fucking up gun balance.
cold bramble
I had a very very long talk about going rogue
steel light
people say its kajika's pistol
cold bramble
If you all read my lore talks and stuff but..I’m still not on board with disavowing the SHD
scenic compass
kajika's pistol is the mozambique special?
cold bramble
Even if all of my role models are now gone, this being Faye Lau
scenic compass
If you all read my lore talks and stuff but..I’m still not on board with disavowing the SHD
@cold bramble same here, i dont wanna be the bad guy.
steel light
i'll do anything to go rogue
scenic compass
FUCK FAYE, SHES DEAD TO ME.
steel light
idgaf
cold bramble
Why?
cold bramble
Every agent has been hardened beyond human limits and has trained for this moment
why go rogue against the very thing you were dedicated to since the day you were selected
steel light
dude i've been watching console raid non stop
scenic compass
speaking of rogues
cold bramble
even in times of this, every agent is autonomous, I get it, and the flaws of that is every agent has their own volitions
But that doesn’t encourage going rogue
scenic compass
i was lucky enough to meet my 3rd rogue encounter on tidal basin yesterday
steel light
i got 4 encounters
scenic compass
they have such awkward spawns
cold bramble
You as a agent are the most essential part to restoring the bonds that were lost
scenic compass
deep lore here.
steel light
save what remains
steel light
@cold bramble me and @scenic compass legit made a theory that some agents were rogue agents in disguised
cold bramble
And restore what remains
steel light
like months ago
cold bramble
That’s not true sadly.
With the common stigmatization of them being spetsnaz or even the secretive third wave
steel light
we just made dumb theory
cold bramble
It’s sadly on the case of them either being a radical ragtag group who glorifies on killing agents
Or they could be black tusk
scenic compass
what, like the hunters?
scenic compass
tbh i feel like the hunters are trying to symbolize something or send a message.
cold bramble
And has done this for revenge, the spetsnaz theory is already debunked
But I’m still clinging to it
scenic compass
idk, they look like super soldier killing machines to me.
cold bramble
What are they trying to symbolize? Kill more agents and collect their watches as trophies?
scenic compass
some things i noticed
cold bramble
Most hunters stole them to garner information, but why isn’t there a fail safe for that?
scenic compass
i was going after divide hunters, right?
cold bramble
Why didn’t they lock the hunters out like how the new rogue AI, ANNA did
scenic compass
it makes you collect 4 flags
the flags have the same colors as the american flag, with a skull on it.
cold bramble
It’s surprising just how experienced they are with our tech
In the short timeframe of the first wave to the second wave
scenic compass
then you use the skull flags to be hanged with the other american flags at a memorial.
cold bramble
Like, I came to your same consensus months back, but..here’s the issue with that, agents like you and me wouldn’t collect our own watches
scenic compass
these 4 flags background divide hunter.
cold bramble
Second off, ISAC would mark you no matter what, you’re biometrically linked
That’s the scary reality of it
scenic compass
maybe the scratched off their ID, and EMP fucks it up?
cold bramble
No, that’s not feasible
scenic compass
maybe they have a jammer on 24/7 or something
cold bramble
The SHD has a tight tab on every agent who has been deployed
scenic compass
explains the statics
cold bramble
Electrical magnetic pulses doesn’t wipe away biometric information
scenic compass
you say that when theo parnell wiped his facial data off the SHD database.
heck, he fooled ISAC.
cold bramble
Because he installed backdoors into the network + found weak points
No agent rn has that level of thinking as Parnell
Irrespective of that, even if they did, like I said, biometric information. It just so happens Parnell managed to find his backdoors and used it against the division
scenic compass
but what if the hunters have a connection to keener's team?
cold bramble
Like how chadwick did with the JTF
That’s not possible, hunters target any agent they see
Keener would mention the hunters
Even if they forced him to shut up, all that keener does to maintain his sanity is talk to his watch and collect data
scenic compass
they act like kajika, weapon experts like dragov, hack like parnell, massacre like conley.
i mean
cold bramble
They could have tabs on agents like us
scenic compass
they could be like, a secret third party or something.
cold bramble
Secret access to the shd, which was my main theory on how they managed to get around the firewall
steel light
aight i gtg cause school stuff but its been great to talk
scenic compass
ight
cold bramble
Because every agent’s gadget is indeed hackable, this could be seen by how factions around the country has managed to use them
steel light
ight imma fuh wit chu
cold bramble
Or at least reverse engineer it
Awh, come back soon! Have fun and get your education
good luck out there, agent
steel light
you too
scenic compass
as a secret third party?
cold bramble
Keener has connections to Black Tusk as means of information, the hunters could be the same
But other then that, Keener would’ve mentioned them, one way or another
cold bramble
Or even have an ECHO of them, ISAC isn’t dumb when it comes to monitoring rogues
scenic compass
he never mentioned ANNA
scenic compass
hunters may be bigger experts than we think
cold bramble
hence how it took so long for them to breach thru the watch
When they took it from Keener
scenic compass
what if hunters used ANNA?
cold bramble
ANNA is essentially the free lance ISAC
Are you implying these are division agents?
scenic compass
possibly.
cold bramble
The theory was debunked, hunters are not division agents
scenic compass
they immitate agents remember?
cold bramble
Even if they managed to have the same firepower and or style like us
Indeed, but because they collected their watches over the days, weeks, even months that they’ve spent killing agents
Imitating agents doesn’t constitute them as being apart of the division
scenic compass
maybe, but theyre experts with SHD.
cold bramble
You wouldn’t wanna do that without ISAC marking you as a rogue
scenic compass
maybe they never used ISAC.
maybe they used ANNA all along.
which is why ISAC cant detect them.
cold bramble
Which clearly, if you’re gonna use what Parnell did
They’d be figured out one way or another, they would’ve left digital footprints that the SHD could pick up
scenic compass
well when it comes to that its all in the work.
cold bramble
Parnell just so happened to be the wise guy even before the existence of the Hunters
ANNA was created after the events of D1, it’s virtually impossible
scenic compass
wait when was ANNA created?
cold bramble
the reunification of rogues doesn’t = the hunters being in their ranks
It was created by Parnell in WONY, essentially, Keener thought about it during D2
scenic compass
well going rogue doesnt mean you have to team up.
cold bramble
Through recordings and such but ANNA was suddenly mentioned and everyone exploded on it
But hunters wouldn’t have access to it
scenic compass
yikes.
cold bramble
ANNA is rogue exclusive
scenic compass
well at least we know theyre freelancers
but i still have a feeling that theyre connected to keeners team
cold bramble
I feel like the hunters are less motivated now in D2
scenic compass
as like, a secret third party freelancer.
cold bramble
Like..they’re not hunting you as much on their own accord
They’re just..watching what you do
scenic compass
feels more like sending a message.
cold bramble
Maybe to learn your tactics
Maybe to see what tabs you have on the people around you
And strike when you’re the weakest, this goes for the division entirely
scenic compass
maybe theyre just a bunch of radicals with a message.
cold bramble
They do this for every agent in D2 now, they’re employing the same strategy the Black Tusk did
And that supports my theory of them being an unit apart of the BTSU
Or even support Bardon Schaeffer
scenic compass
like, a freelance ops unit?
thin juniper
ghosts. just my two pents
scenic compass
ghost units?
cold bramble
That theory was debunked by a youtuber named NGN
Ghosts wouldn’t kill their own kind + they work in a team
thin juniper
I watch ngn, I'm not quite saying that they are ghosts i the clancyvers way
I mean, like a btsu equivelant
cold bramble
Ghosts have operational training to go lone wolf but this doesn’t match what the hunters are doing
That’s what I mean, the hunters could be working under the BTSU
scenic compass
im still sticking with freelancers
thin juniper
plus, some hunters can be seen working in teams, as early as siurvival
cold bramble
There’s no way they’d have this much control but then stick with the shadows like what the other BTSU did in D2
They’re waiting until the time is to strike and guess what that is?
scenic compass
but im still thinking they might be sticking to either the rogue network or the BTSU.
cold bramble
The only way to kill the SHD is to pit the godlike agents against each other
scenic compass
as like a seperate branch or an external secret third party.
cold bramble
which is what BTSU exactly waited for after the events of their initial invasion
perhaps, but the rogue network is certainly something they’re not affiliated with
More of..they know its existence and it just only fuels their agent killing modus operandi
cold bramble
No, they didn’t
You mean the first wave division agents?
Keener and his first wave goons sided with the LMB, got Bliss tech in exchange for information on the city
scenic compass
no, if you play certain missions you can fight LMB along with hunters.
cold bramble
on legendary missions you mean?
cold bramble
I believe they were an add on to the force
The LMB certainly sees em as ‘hey, you’re killing agents too?’
thin juniper
I agree, I don't think legendary missions are cannon
scenic compass
good point... they do kill everyone in their way.
thin juniper
didn't ngn or someone else mention that they don't harm civilians?
cold bramble
But the LMB would DEFINITELY tell Keener
scenic compass
which means keener knows.
cold bramble
And then Keener would literally be cowering in fear
Which they didn’t
You do realise he knows the hunters would kill him regardless?
scenic compass
hes like, the best agent on earth, why would he be in fear?
cold bramble
No matter what leverage he has, which clearly he has NONE
no, he knows they’re capable at doing things beyond he could
scenic compass
what if they dont, and decided to side with him?
cold bramble
He’s not THE best agent, he just so happened to always be one step ahead
As he said
scenic compass
what if he convinced them, recruited them?
cold bramble
That’s what I mean
Even if keener throws his rogue leverage at him
The hunters, they wouldn’t do anything
They’d just be like, oh another good wrist watch
scenic compass
god these fuckers are cold.
cold bramble
It’s scary.
If a hunter could scare Keener, this changes my whole perspective on them
thin juniper
wait a second, i just realised something
cold bramble
Because Keener has flaws, he literally respected you, you know that right?
thin juniper
not a single one of the hunter's stolen watches are from rouge agents
scenic compass
half of me is thinking theyre freelancers but the other half of me is also thinking they could be special ops or something.
cold bramble
Yeah, the hunters don’t kill civies
thin juniper
they haven't kiilled rouges
scenic compass
not a single one of the hunter's stolen watches are from rouge agents
@thin juniper actually theres some rogue watches, look closely.
cold bramble
Black Tusk also don’t kill normal civies, they kill supporters of the division and or militiamen
thin juniper
@scenic compass . which hunter should I look at? I have yet to notice red watches on any?
scenic compass
@scenic compass . which hunter should I look at? I have yet to notice red watches on any?
@thin juniper any hunters, or you can use the covert hunter shirt in the apparel section of the game.
cold bramble
I don’t see any purpose in their radical armada at killing normal civies when they’re there to install a new government
To run that, you need supporters
thin juniper
oh yeah, i see it. one of the watches is rouge. so they kill rouge agents too
cold bramble
I kinda wished that an hunter was seen over you while you killed Keener
And did the “I see you” sign and then walk off into smoke
and Kelso is like, “wait..it’s them..”
scenic compass
i expected that tbh.
considering the entire rogue craziness i expected hunters to be involved.
this is an agent war, after all.
cold bramble
They’re waiting, like i said
To kill those who remain after this brutal civil war
Just like what Bardon wanted to kill the division
If you can’t throw tech, throw rogues
scenic compass
if you cant throw rogues, throw hunters.
cold bramble
That’d be scary.
scenic compass
what if thats the idea?
cold bramble
The hunters being the NEW enemy
scenic compass
NO GOD PLEASE NO
thin juniper
load the trebuchet
scenic compass
GET THE NUKE FELLAS
thin juniper
with a hunter
cold bramble
LOL
the division hides in their 3 central US bunkers
But I’ll be glad to take them on
scenic compass
they just say "fuck hunters im out."
cold bramble
If it means restoring the government
scenic compass
me too lmao
thin juniper
what if massive is secretly reading our messages? finding out what the community wants the hunters to be so they can write the perfect story?
scenic compass
i killed 8 out of 13 in WONY already
cold bramble
But no agent except you and those who encountered them before which is in the VERY least
scenic compass
what if massive is secretly reading our messages? finding out what the community wants the hunters to be so they can write the perfect story?
@thin juniper bet.
cold bramble
Knows they exist, Kelso doesn’t even ask
scenic compass
when i killed the WONY hunters....
cold bramble
The drone operator doesn’t even ask
scenic compass
i feel like they're symbolizing something.
scenic compass
the most noticable one is the divide hunter
thin juniper
it is acknowledged by those who have seen them, but yeah, not even kelso with her wall of masks comments. hmm
scenic compass
probably vigil 2.0, explains the static.
cold bramble
But this is an EMP
scenic compass
but i feel like the hunters are trying to send a message, in a radical way.
cold bramble
The drone operator should’ve complained about the EMP
scenic compass
like, divide hunter?
cold bramble
also, the only enemy faction that has EMPs, is Black Tusk
scenic compass
4 flags with the same color pattern as the american flag but with a skull on it
cold bramble
That fuels my idea that they’re black tusk
thin juniper
I hate to propose this, but what if they are a suicide squad of sorts. meant to target rouges and get rid of the division? this is purely theorised based off the stinger lmg description which is from a hunter
just a failsafe against rouges
scenic compass
the suicide part, doubt.
thin juniper
suicide squad purely meaning, going on a suicde mission
scenic compass
i doubt its suicide
thin juniper
not quite what I meant
the lmg description reads. "when you miss something more than you ever thought possible, it is tempting to seek solace among destructive friends and old, bad habits"
what if this is referencing something collective from the hunters pasts.
scenic compass
thats philosophical, gimme time to think.
thin juniper
good luck, but I belive it has something to do with the hunters state of mind
scenic compass
maybe.
if you die to the death hunter
his description says: "even in death, i will hunt you down."
talk about determination.
or..... the hunter is talking about his fake death.
thin juniper
it sounds kinda like what emeline says at the end of manning zoo
the whole, even when the boss is dead the group carries on theme. is defiantly a recurring one throughout the story.
so maybe it is referencing something bigger? a hunter network parallel to the rouge network?
cold bramble
I’m back
scenic compass
youre saying the hunters were some sort of brutal asf ghost ops turnt freelancer because they lost their leader?
cold bramble
This also fuels sam’s ideas on them being freelancers or those who wanna seek revenge
Maybe the division killed their families and they want revenge
They could be ex veterans of SOF
thin juniper
yeah, perhaps they were first waves, recruited by someone who then went twice rouge and split from the rouges themselves?
scenic compass
yikes.
thin juniper
proof?
scenic compass
theyre cold, brutal, mysterious, but my safety is flicked off and shits bouta go down.
cold bramble
They’d be identified on sight
Plus, Parnell has nothing to do with hunters
So they couldn’t be able to hide their already linked biometric information
Where is ISAC on them? They don’t have any brick except the watch
Which is a source of communication and storing information, ISAC controls it all thru the brick
scenic compass
im still thinking they somehow worked their way around ISAC.
yeah the brick is like the quantum server.
cold bramble
That’d be an loophole
thin juniper
anyone can hack past ISAC. think about the lore implications of a DZ manhunt?
cold bramble
They can’t unless they managed to get access to a node
scenic compass
you mean any rogues that somehow went under the radar?
cold bramble
Which Parnell got hands on because of the backdoors
cold bramble
After the events of D1?
thin juniper
the local node, yeah
cold bramble
Yeah, the local node and the entire SHD network
It was a regional blackout tho, the global network was still active
scenic compass
what if thats the cause?
cold bramble
Just severed from the source
scenic compass
all they need is a node, right?
cold bramble
Once you verify agent credentials, yes
scenic compass
what if whoever shut down the node supported the hunters?
or, hunters themselves?
cold bramble
You mean the black tusk?
scenic compass
they got smart watches for years
thin juniper
the btsu do attempt to re shutdown the node
cold bramble
A echo revealed that the BTSU was at fault for disabling the servers
You do realise that Brenner and his commanders went to the hidden SHD server
cold bramble
Yeah
scenic compass
especially after the BTSU-hunter theory we made
cold bramble
The BTSU for SOME REASON
Managed to get past the heavily encrypted blast door
Probably used an agents watch but ISAC only verifies credentials of life agents, not deceased
If you were deceased, the SHD would mark you as fallen and ISAC would cut connections to you because of OPSEC
Unless you transferred ownership
scenic compass
didnt they capture an agent before?
there was a echo where they captured an agent
scenic compass
and in WONY didnt a agent was working for the black tusk?
cold bramble
I could assume they like
Brought an agent there because BTSU sadly has tabs and connections to agents within us
thin juniper
there is a small thing I thought of the other day, it's probably not reasoned but... to control any shd tech, they not only require an isac connection but the appropriate agent earpiece and contact lenses. unless the hunters have stolen an agents lense, they got them fresh from the source, being darpa
cold bramble
But like I said, ISAC would monitor them at all cost
No, the scantek lenses are independent
scenic compass
unless they worked their way around them like theo did.
cold bramble
Earpieces are also independent
scenic compass
the BTSU was working with keener's team, remember?
cold bramble
Perhaps.
But again, still makes me confused how they accessed a node like that
They added extensive security to their nodes since operation ISAC
scenic compass
idk, hackerman of sorts?
cold bramble
I don’t see why they’d let another fail at protecting a AI entity be in the hands of enemies
scenic compass
i mean, it was a named engineer.
which is considered a top tier engineer or something.
cold bramble
yeah..he must’ve had access to live agent credentials
Copied his watch and biometrics (somehow)
And used it on the door, because it’s a quick easy scan and go
But since operation ISAC, they’d really harden the security
scenic compass
what if they had a live agent?
cold bramble
Hence why you required an live agent credentials
thin juniper
we've seen with the outcast missions that not all watch wearing agents are gun toting soldiers.
scenic compass
killed him and disposed him before we arrived?
cold bramble
Once again, not possible when the node was active
thin juniper
easy enough to kidnap a desk jocky
scenic compass
well theres clearly a plot hole here.
cold bramble
Yeah..this is yet another plot hole massive didn’t reinforce
Like when I saw that engineer, I was like, OPERATION ISAC 2.0?
HOW DID HE GET IN HERE
thin juniper
isac can't transmit anything when hunters are around. manny even says he lost your signal when you fight the first hunter.
transmition isn't a problem
cold bramble
He still probably had vital signs
But live feed signals
As manny uses your scantek lenses more then likely to see what’s going on
scenic compass
no he said he lost you entirely.
cold bramble
weird
thin juniper
yeah, no signal till after the hunter leaves
cold bramble
Then the hunter manages to bypass biometrics..
scenic compass
exactly.
cold bramble
That’s.. that’s fucking scary
scenic compass
uses set live biometrics to help the BTSU get through the node
thin juniper
we also only find the agents previous vital signs when we scan his body. so it seems like those may be kept locally on the watch.
cold bramble
yeah, that’s what I said, they could’ve found some dummy agent
Took pictures of him, maybe got him when he was asleep
scenic compass
i swear to god if theres a "top 10 most iconic enemies in video games" the hunters must be in there.
cold bramble
I was surprised ISAC didn’t alert anybody until the deactivation was turned on
scenic compass
stealth hack?
cold bramble
because he monitors you when you enter the room
of any node
whether if you’re an agent or not
scenic compass
or snuck past them.
thin juniper
he can only monitor what he can see. he couldn't see a bunch of deactivated watches
from dead agents
scenic compass
would explain the static we have when we encounter them
cold bramble
well, he can sense information thru biometric reading
scenic compass
just like how vigil makes static on drone cams
cold bramble
But visual is his important AI functionality
Hence why it’s required to allow the scantek lenses to get a moment to mark the target
Or rely on pulse and let ISAC rely on his 25m proximity biometric readings
thin juniper
I'm kind of half expecting a hunter to be part of the next manhunt.
imagine that, prime taget: hunter
scenic compass
the manhunt branch just has pictures of 5 hunters with dead, cold eyes.
thin juniper
I really want that now
scenic compass
man the hunters are probably the most interesting enemies in a videogame.
at least for me.
thin juniper
so mysterious
scenic compass
they went from nobodies to iconic.
cold bramble
oh god
thin juniper
alright, I gtg. been fun theorising. hope to see you again
cold bramble
yeah, they're very very mysterious in the sense of what they do overall, no one knows their true motives except killing agents for more then likely fun
of course! I'll be in dms if you ever need me n' such
goodnight and safe travels, agent < 3
thin juniper
I just might, you're an absolute encyclopedia
scenic compass
cya dude
cold bramble
lmao
scenic compass
we be big braining rn
cold bramble
yeah, this is big brain time
either way, anything you do
you cant run away from ISAC when he can scan your vital signs lol
unless youve managed to completely jam it like what the hunters did
cold bramble
ISAC was made by DARPA so
scenic compass
that just rips from your shoulder
cold bramble
i really wanted ISAC to be like..those robots from Interstellar
scenic compass
"gimme your vital signs boi."
cold bramble
TARS, give ISAC personality
like let him play you music at random times
to lighten the mood or even let ISAC understand agent's emotions
so it can make proper calculations
scenic compass
make it like BT from titanfall
cold bramble
ISAC is an learning AI, indeed, its entity learns every single second
but it's rudimentary bc its systems are suppressed
it was so ISAC doesn't become self-aware and maybe sabotage their biometrics
electricutes the rogue for going rogue
every agent in the proximity: surprised pikachu
ISAC: ive seen some shit man
cold bramble
ISAC can probably channel enough electricity to even do so
scenic compass
Hunters: i've made a huge mistake.
cold bramble
batteries arent even an concern of the agents
scenic compass
tries to unequip all watch trophies
cold bramble
for*, they literally have self-charging scantek lenses that charge with eye movement
scenic compass
gets shocked x15
cold bramble
their power is more then likely solar powered, bc ISAC automatically lowers the brightness during the day
LOL
id love to see that happen, make it like the shock hive 2.0
scenic compass
theres actually a wiki for a division agent's way of living
cold bramble
it's mostly in secret
scenic compass
it is a fandom, so...
cold bramble
because of OPSEC, like every agent couldn't do jackshit that revealed even the slightest bit of the SHD
most of the time, they were off doing martial arts, CQC training, and honing their skills on their gadgets
and even taking normal education classes on situations and how to deal with em accordingly
refreshing up on their college education and etc
they had to be prepared against every spears of danger out there
scenic compass
it surprises me how the unrealisticness of a agent is actually canon
cold bramble
and might i mention, these agents go through a 6 month evaluation
scenic compass
try look up "division agent vs wiki"
cold bramble
their training could be 1-2 years
scenic compass
meanwhile, imma take a shower.
cold bramble
and funny shit is
scenic compass
true dat.
cold bramble
karens would be mad bc these agents are immune to EVERY disease
even ones with no virtual cure and or medications
steel light
i have re established my shd status back
cold bramble
seriously, we can use a SHD agent irl, give us the cure to covid-19 rn
scenic compass
LMAO
cold bramble
they go through a literal stage of muscle enhancements and introduced to 'the cocktail'
scenic compass
ight imma go shower
cold bramble
which is literally what i said
massive injects of every chemical that'll boost muscle growth + immunity
steel light
i will have to go rogue again
cold bramble
sadly an agent can contract green poison
but would exhibit not the dangerous types of it
but could be asymptomatic carriers
as again, immunity + cures for most diseases they'd face out in the field
i really want an indepth look on the agent's trainings, like VR ECHO simulations, do they go to CIA bases or some shit and train there
they do have massive bunkers all in the us, but they're only there for supplies and coordinating information/operations
steel light
its like changing colors
cold bramble
send a screenshot of it, im curious, since you're PS4, errr..use your phone
bRUh, DONT TURN RED, DONT TURN RED
cold bramble
okay thats..
really weird, but it isn't as worse as when chunks havent loaded in
and you can see through the entire world
- your agent is forever t-posing
cold bramble
your agent has achieved full god
his limbs are moving so fast, all you see is a t-pose
vital swallow
Hi father
steel light
uh oh watch is code red
cold bramble
is your game okay like
steel light
idk
cold bramble
you should restart, unplug your ps4 entirely
steel light
lemme try
cold bramble
exit your game
then turn your PS4 off
once the blue hum is gone, unplug it, wait for 5-10 seconds
plug it back in and reboot it
then just fire back up division
in this case, id take the disc out then put it back in, just in case it didn't read it properly enough
which are the more causes for these types of glitches
steel light
im digital not disc
cold bramble
ah, digital, then just get out of it
make sure it's fully disconnected
turn off the ps4 and then unplug
you should be fine after that
steel light
ok now its back to normal
steel light
thank you for your support
cold bramble
i am asking you for finanical support
steel light
wheres my wallet hol up
cold bramble
LOL
steel light
too bad you resigned
cold bramble
wdym
steel light
he resigned from being the candidate
steel light
ye
cold bramble
yeah i dont support bernie at all, socialists deserve to die
even tho im canadian!!!!!!
steel light
imagine if we got a div 2 arg
cold bramble
however, i enjoy people like him
hes really kind and outgoing, just..his political standpoint is what throws most people away
steel light
bruh
steel light
well kinda
cold bramble
like, im saying political standpoint, he doesnt actually deserve to die in general
bernie is an really nice guy once you get to see that side of him
i dont like getting into this type of stuff
bc of how convoluted it gets
steel light
what if keener never died what if the keener we fought was a double
steel light
what if ISAC knew that he was still alive
so ISAC made ECHOs
to simulate a what if scenario
cold bramble
well, ECHOs are past representations of what happened
collected by surveillance footage and other clues
and ISAC automatically traces what happens and relays it to you
normally, each ECHO is very accurate but i doubt this is the case
cold bramble
that's what i mean
every division agent uses a augmented reality system
they more then likely utilised this during their training phases
which like i said, consisted up of AR ECHO simulations
what if ISAC is like GLaDOS 2.0
steel light
imagine in say like e3 2021 and we got a ubsoft panel and while in the middle of the presentation the screen got hacked for some reason and out comes keener with a message
cold bramble
he starts coughing and saying, "well, look who decided to come back from the never after"
steel light
yeah
cold bramble
but like i said
biometric readings, ISAC can't lie about peeps dying
he's very very smart for an AI like him, but you can fool him if you have access to his achilles heel
which is the isac nodes meant to house the entity's processing + information storing
steel light
and he starts saying "i cant imagine how you felt over lau's decision on going rogue"
just like theo did
steel light
yeah besides he's a skilled hacker