The story offered absolutely nothing

[left barn]

Now that the game is so called done

Im just gonna say that the story offered absoulutely nothing at all to the lore of hello Neighbor we Didnt already know its feels like pure filler now that the story expansion is cancelled

We learned nothing About the stuff we actually was intrigued by

1 Nothing about mayak
2 Nothing About the guest or his identity
3 Not anything really new about the cult that we Didnt already knew

[bright prawn]

[left barn]

The story offered absolutely nothing

[heady oriole]

true

[brisk yoke]

the story having nothing is not the devs' fault tbh, I think you guessed who or what might be responsible for it.
at this point I don't think we'll ever get to know the og purpose of the mayak, unless Nikita can say it. which would be nice.
HG is DEAD
HN2 alphas' storylines are dead as well, even though the one I figured out was GREAT.
even if they repurpose elements, it won't be the same, so idk if they can, or should in fact just tell what it could've been, but it would be nice.

[left barn]

Yeah ik its not the devs fault themselves

[ruby sandal]

there’s the show tho

[left barn]

Yeah but that’s the show not hello Neighbor 2

Hello Neighbor 2 is a game

[red pendant]

mayaks og purpose was for causing the hurricane in rotm

hg mayak had its own purpose but theres no way to know what that was

[fickle citrus]

Look, i really really love the show but the franchise SHOULDNT rely in books or show to tell it's story

[tidal flax]

There was no ending to any story, no information about any new characters or events. It’s like this game was just a teaser trailer for future games, a teaser that costed 40 dollars

[high gull]

Bro gets it

[wicked ibex]

The ending is where the car crash happened and the player died

[high gull]

Purgetory ah theory

[fickle citrus]

We ain't talking about pre-alpha buddy

This isn't about coma or devil neighbor

[tidal flax]

lol you reminded me of the “It was a play” storyline

[high gull]

I think they're talking about

[bright prawn]

The game is pretty much Hello Abomination

[wicked ibex]

I am talking abt the HN2 Intro crash

[fickle citrus]

Nah

He died when shovel

Not the crash

[lean zinc]

The "story" didn't just offer nothing, it ruined the good things we had

[fickle citrus]

True trye

[heady oriole]

It wasted quentin,beatrix and mith

[lean zinc]

HG cast being completely wasted is something that has been discussed, it's not even that they're a part of a mid game but it's like the devs/writers didn't even try

Is what I WOULD say if it didn't seem like they went OUT of their way to insult anyone interested

[fickle citrus]

And the guest which barely got any appearence

The cult too

Half of tehyre story is in the AS and not in HN2 where it's supposed to be

[fickle citrus]

Fr

There's so many ways MiTH and beatrix could be added to the story

[heady oriole]

True sadly

[fickle citrus]

If im going to be honest HG should've been a completely separate game from HN2

Maybe it could've been a prequel to HN3 even

And have beatrix as the player and MiTH as an anti hero or smth like that

And the guest obviously

[lean zinc]

Smith had it easy with his "death" being believed to just be an easter egg, Beatrix seemingly got reduced to a PLOT DEVICE for Quentin although it's not like we'll find out the purpose of that

Quentin is the nail in the coffin, he has been massacred a jaw-dropping THREE TIMES, as Ike, Norman (who wasn't killed and actually even had his arc complete but still was left in obscurity, forgotten) and Quentin, who didn't really die either but with how many times he loses consciousness it's likely that the devs will let him pass out

Forever.

AND LIKE THIS JUST UPSETS ME, FINE IF THEY JUST COULDN'T IMPLEMENT THEM PROPERLY, BUT THEY ADDED THEM JUST TO KILL THEM OFF.

Honestly? I'm glad HN2 is over. Now it can be abandoned and retconned just like the rest of Quentin's past lives.

[fickle citrus]

for me AS is the proper HN2

Season 2 was almost a reimagining of it

[lean zinc]

And don't forget how they massacred Aaron, it's almost like he's AS Nicky's prototype with how much he's hiding even despite the clear opportunity of escape

So yeah I'm glad it's dead and gone

[fickle citrus]

HN3 save us

[fickle citrus]

Sad thing about HN2 is that it was always doomed to be like this

[sinful wolf]

A lot of people won’t play hn3 before see patch 10

[high gull]

And THAT mentality is how the company keeps going without actually producing good, valuable products.

[fickle citrus]

Patch 10 is cancelled

[high gull]

We need to stop eating up all of thier expensive crap

[fickle citrus]

Damn, ig i can't be excited for a new game?

Like dude

[lean zinc]

You can but this is exactly how they keep pulling this

[high gull]

Excited for HN, then excited for HG, then HN2, and now HN3

[lean zinc]

"Guys the last one was bad but this is THE thing"

[high gull]

Do we never learn?

[fickle citrus]

Uuuuh

Yeah not really

[high gull]

Be excited I guess

But DON'T preorder

[fickle citrus]

I became a fan recently

[fickle citrus]

Who said im going to play It lol?

I don't even have a PC

to play it or anything

[fickle citrus]

Nikita is in charge of HN3 so i have hope

HN1 turned out the way it is because it was nikita's First game

HN2 turned out the way it is because of tinybuilds

HN3 is going to use everything that he (Nikita) learned from past games

And it's already looking good, so if everything goes well might be a good game

[lean zinc]

Likewise

[brisk yoke]

you cooked with this message ngl

and the most upsetting part in this whole thing is that these characters had great potential. they're good characters and they could be good characters.
whenever I write stories, it's either faust plot or HG characters
there's tons of possibilities. and in my universe their personalities are already rich and detailed

[lean zinc]

⏫

even from the short cutscenes you can tell their quirks and character through their mannerisms, and those mannerisms just leave such a great impression about them

[brisk yoke]

yeah
HG was just something else

I'd say even the hn2 beta is kinda introducing some of them well
but hg is the peak

like to this day we don't know basically anything about the hn2 characters
and why should we care tbh
i only care about man who i know

[lean zinc]

yes

[lean zinc]

it's THE peak, funnily enough HG and alphas were also the best at

game "storytelling" although it was given in small portions

you don't get any new sick cool lore revealing details but

the characters ACTUALLY interact with each other

and depending on whether you choose Beatrix or Quentin you even get a slightly different cutscene

[brisk yoke]

yeah
u just know basic stuff about the characters, enough to start caring about them.
not to mention the great designs
show me any similar design to HG Quentin...he's unique. like wow
and Smith is the definition of a detective and still, he's unique too
Beatrix is queen, simply
Guest design has deep lore in its own

[lean zinc]

keep speaking in the language of facts 🙏

[fickle citrus]

I don't know if it's true but originally in HG beatrix and quentin we're supposedly going to leave notes for each other depending on who you played as

And they we're also supposed to meet in chapter 3

HG characters are one of the most unique ones imo

[brisk yoke]

Nikita said
the top part

[red pendant]

they were supposed to meet at some point, so chapter 3 or 4 latest depending on how many chapters there were at the time

if only 3 chapters then definitely 3

if 4 then probably 4 but maybe 3

[fickle citrus]

That would've been cool

Beatrix needs her own game tbh

[brisk yoke]

Smith needs a film noir styled spinoff
Beatrix needs a game where you just punch everyone on a map
Quentin...he can be with Smith, otherwise that game will last very long. they could be investigating something, and Quentin would find the clues by accident. Smith would never admit this.

[limpid flint]

Smith is against Quentin I think. (Hello guest ending)

[brisk yoke]

we don't know, sadly

[fickle citrus]

Would be cool if smith was a secret helper

And he was helping quentin in someway

[red pendant]

mith is his employer

[limpid flint]

How would you know?

[brisk yoke]

they only assume
since Smith has cv in hand in the beginning, and it feels like he's a boss
at least that's what I think

[red pendant]

the model used for his employer in the beginning is just miths model without the head

also some video existed as a teaser or smth had mith and quentin working together to arrest a vandal or smth

i think it was in sn or smth?

[limpid flint]

Please show me

I must see this video

[strong mountain]

MiTH hired Quentin and Beatrix i don't think he was happy with them going to areas they weren't allowed

[red pendant]

yeah

he went against miths instructions

instead of going to the top of the mountain, he went to... wherever he ended up

[brisk yoke]

I don't think Smith cares this much about them
he hired them for some reason (probably) and he did things he planned in his little head, probably selfish actions

I'll search a pic of the character select

[lean zinc]

The no-brainer explanation and my personal headcanon is that he needed either of them to prevent vandals from destroying the amusement park which Smith was probably searching for clues and stuff

Which I suppose IS a valid assumption but idk how much valid exactly, given that he seemingly expected Que/Bea to come over, right to him

[brisk yoke]

that's a brain explanation, because probably that's the case
he's observing and investigating, nonstop
even his own workers, who were either locals or not
i think Quentin was

[lean zinc]

yeahh

besides, unlike a certain group of kids, Smith has use of the more... How do I put it, "smaller" clues?

he can dig around in the files to find background information on people who were involved with the park, maybe even snoop around Rotten Core to see what exactly has set the Lucy Yi incident into motion, and so on. point being that he can actually make use of the amusement park, heck it's probably a gold mine of evidence. that being said, he has a reason to hire a guard, since he really, really needs this park to be preserved

that being said his initial reaction when meeting Que/Bea is justified, his guard is suddenly going where they shouldn't! they're going rogue! it's completely reasonable to be paranoid about that when literally anybody could be a forest protector/another wannabe detective

he probably saw them coming from a mile away so, hence the preperation with the car lights blinding and all

[brisk yoke]

if you're trying to hint that Smith is a better and more useful character than the sn kids ever were...

...then you're absolutely correct. Nikita's characters always have a reason to be where they are and the plot always gets from A to B with a result that effects the future
(by bringing that up, for example i mean the plot of hnvr, the opposite of this. where the kids legit achieved nothing in the end)

[lean zinc]

Agree

[red pendant]

in hnvr they did achieve getting aarons attention, and getting him to help them escape

[lean zinc]

They just came to the basement and got caught

Guest is the one who had the final say in Aaron's (and thus everybody else's) freedom

[red pendant]

ivan was the one that contacted aaron and presumably told him what happened

[pseudo yew]

And if you think that's bad, there was a 16 hour live-stream that explained lore

None of which now is considered Canon

[potent seal]

This feedback is just useless

[lean zinc]

The thing is, there's nothing to give feedback on, lol. The existent flaws are super obvious and one doesn't even need to write an essay on that, especially with the game's story- "the story offered absolutely nothing". Why? Because the story offered literally nothing!

all feedback forums are kinda useless at the moment since all of them are for a dead games

[fickle citrus]

Yeah, just like literaly any other feedback in here, your point?

[potent seal]

That is true and all, what I'm saying is that this doesn't feel like a feedback but rather a criticism written by a user.

[lean zinc]

Well, like I said, we don't really have uh

Anything to work with to give anything BUT criticism

Forest Protectors were shown to exist yet they don't do anything throughout the game aside from the now scrapped act 2

And I know act 2 is a touchy subject and all, but even the illusive Guest and man in the hat went unused for the most part and not elaborated upon (MJ doesn't count, even if one was to make a claim that some missing journalist is related to Smith, that still gives us little to nothing storywise)

[brisk yoke]

MJ being related to Smith is some made up nonsense related to HNG. Smith was his own character, an important antagonist in the Nikita storyline, a character who the writer for HN2 couldn't do anything with. Smith was added to the game, just as Beatrix, to show that they are DEAD, probably that is why they are in graves and not elsewhere. if anyone wants to blame one thing, then it shouldn't be HN2, but rather..something else in two dimension

[lean zinc]

Honestly MJ=Smith seems like some kind of copium to me

either about that MJ is just the "dead employee who they replaced the player with" or about that Smith has nothing going on

The. Proportions. Are. Too. Different. Heck, you can get Beatrix's model and HN2 art and compare it side by side, what do you get? ACCURATE PROPORTIONS! Gosh it's almost like, they can draw the characters properly! Who'd think, right???

Then you have MJ, and yikes. That chin is massive, those ears are just the completely wrong shape, and that's clearly not Smith's nose

Let alone the fact that MJ's coat is the wrong color too

[left barn]

Well who is mith than? Alex Even implied mith was a journalist

[lean zinc]

You're saying that as if 50% of the Raven Brooks population doesn't work at the Raven Brooks Banner, that is if you were to count all of Quentin's past interactions

aside from that there's MJ himself, Quentin, heck, even Nicky's dad works at the Banner apparently

that's to say that there's just

NOT a shortage of journalists.

[left barn]

Anyways another thing im tired of People keep talking About nikitas story but hello Neighbor 2 fg is not his story

So theres problaby a lot of difference’s

[lean zinc]

Mith is his own guy, because they have certainly done a terrible job at making MJ look like him

They couldn't even give him a turtleneck!

like one thing if those were super minor details but those are the only parts of his design that you can SEE

[left barn]

Alex even kind of implied that the guest is sorta supernatural in the game’s currently like hello Neighbor vr but not in the AS because they wanted it to be more grounded

Nikita problaby isnt aware of the current lore yet Which i hope he Will be eventually if this is the case

[lean zinc]

You can't even say that it's a redesign, first of all, why fix something that isn't broken, second of all, that wasn't said

anywhere.

[brisk yoke]

yeah it is copium

further proof to the obvious is that

• MJ was already part of HN2 when they wrote up to the excel thingy that they should add the "man in the hat character" (just like Beatrix, farmer, etc)
• Smith is known for being cold as ice, he rather uses people, but he won't be besties with anyone, especially not with Otto. and MJ was friends with people. I google loner and images of Smith pop up.
  but at this point we are beating a dead fish and trying to explain something that is obvious
  tldr is that it is indeed just copium.

[lean zinc]

^^^

for a while it seemed like they had their own plans for MJ as well, before the whole plot line was scrapped and his missing newspaper got removed from the game before release that is

[brisk yoke]

MJ's plot would've been the repurpose of the plot of Norman Darby. and maybe Ike, with the "he saw the cult, he had to die"
except Darby was actually a cool character, who did a return in the book.

[lean zinc]

From AS we know that Otto at the very least COOPERATED with the cult

I think it's just obvious that being buddies with everyone could be the one thing that made MJ so vulnerable, since he's just out there in the public, Smith simply CAN'T share such a weakness because his entire thing is that he keeps a low profile

[brisk yoke]

Smith simply CAN'T share such a weakness because his entire thing is that he keeps a low profile
the truth

[bold pivot]

It was just a redesing, They both wear the same jacket, they are both journalists, they are both after Petterson and the cult, they are both dead, even in the Hallowing update of Secret Neighbor on the loading screen they put a message in which they hinted that the journalist (Quentin) knew Mith, making sense that he is the missing journalist since Quentin would have to know who he is replacing.

[lean zinc]

It's not a redesign because had it been a redesign they'd elaborate on that WAYY more. His. Proportions. Are. Different. Why would they all of the sudden need to redesign him. They'd at least give him THAT HAT. That's not the same jacket at all. MJ's is way too dark, and he's wearing a t-shirt, not a collared sweater like Mith. And to hell with that he's probably a journalist or something, whatever, but if anything, the "Quentin might know the owner of the hat" description in Secret Neighbor seems more like hinting towards the Hello Guest ending reel. Also, no. We can't take SN Mith appearance into consideration because that's like, super outdated lore.

The missing journalist exists exclusively to die so there's a reason to bring Quentin into the grand scheme, you don't even see his missing poster in the final game to my knowledge, just the demo and the package stuff

By this type of logic, uhm, actually, Mith is Pre-Alpha Man's redesign, they both wear blue, spy on Theodore, and have a tendency to lay in coffins!!! /satire

[brisk yoke]

me when i continue to ignore Nikita messages (he straight up talked about repurposing)

[brisk yoke]

they're both men
the obvious conclusion is that they're the same character 🧠

[glossy badge]

I'm still confused on what happened to the neighbor on alpha 1.5, why was he in a room and who was he running from

[limpid flint]

he's not dead. that was just an easter egg

[potent seal]

It's some story that shouldn't even matter, now that it's not canon anymore

[spring gale]

MITH and M.J.are the same person denying it is just being delusional.

[spring gale]

It was symbolism of him being trapped in The Guests manipulation, it isn’t canon though but simply symbolism of some Lore.

[fickle citrus]

Or it's symbolizing him trying to move on and not get consumed by his evil side (which is the guest)

[spring gale]

Possibly.

[brisk yoke]

bluds are still going on, this is crazy

every story matters, who gives a sh about what is canon, canon changes in every two weeks

[spring gale]

Yeah no HN2 added a new piece to what we know it didn’t need to bring more to other stuff, and we did learn some things with HN2 just nothing crazy.

[lilac loom]

agreed.

[placid jungle]

exactly

[smoky willow]

he's right. we learned nothing about the forest protecters at all.

[placid jungle]

yah 😦