2 years in and we still dont have neural network, it was promised but was never added in the full release, come tinybuild, you have had enough time to add in neural network, so please add it.
#when will you add the neural network that was promised
dawn marsh
coarse thunder
i think
Yeah they would still like to add it though in something in the future probably not hn2
But if they do it shows they probably can make it
A neural network would be cool though if executed well and proper training
The current ai dont really think at all its just basic set of instructions
inner wasp
Yeah they would still like to add it though in something in the future probably ...
Oh great, so we have to spend even more money to buy a future game that MIGHT have the AI we got way back in 2016 in the pre aplha
No way, we NEED to demand they add some sort of adaptive AI to Hello Neighbor 2. A neural network is probably too ambitious but they could still give us at least something similar to the 2016 pre-alpha's point system.
urban stream
No way, we NEED to demand they add some sort of adaptive AI to Hello Neighbor 2....
Matt speaking facts
Like always
night ice
move on
inner wasp
move on
No, it's the main reason that I was interested in Hello Neighbor back in 2016. The main selling point of the series.
night ice
No, it's the main reason that I was interested in Hello Neighbor back in 2016. T...
ok but that was years ago
coarse thunder
Doesnt matter a game needs to have good gameplay
inner wasp
Actually, we were repeatedly promised adaptive AI's until Hello Neighbor 2 in 2022
But for me personally, this game series hardly matters to me without adaptive AI.
open crag
Hopefully patch 10 and the hn1 remake have the NN
If tiny build are spending so much time already on patch 10 then they may as well spend some extra time for the neural networking ai as well
orchid dock
...
urban stream
Hopefully patch 10 and the hn1 remake have the NN
If tiny build are spending s...
Honestly yeah
spark remnant
they have chewed more than they could swallow. no way they are adding it unless we hold them at gun point. our best bet is the community to patch the game with some sort of adaptive AI system
violet willow
Hopefully patch 10 and the hn1 remake have the NN
If tiny build are spending s...
TinyJay already said that there are currently no plans for a NN to be added to HN2, but havent completely forgotten about it and MIGHT be in future projects in some way, so there might be an extremely small chance of NN being in a HN1 remake.
spark remnant
TinyJay already said that there are currently no plans for a NN to be added to H...
hn1 remake? when is that happening
violet willow
Idk
Alex said that once the team fixes HN2, HN1 might get a remake
spark remnant
the AI in hn1 final game was garbage but it sometimes felt like its actually trying to stop you when it wasnt stuck in a wall
in hn2 they just run around trying to catch you no traps no boarding up windows no nothing
i can make this type of AI in less than an hour on UE4
am i the only one that sometimes wonder on how the game would have turned out if the kickstarter was funded?
open crag
in hn2 they just run around trying to catch you no traps no boarding up windows ...
Yea hn1s ai was more fun at times. Tho in hn2 they can be challenging at times since they can hear you walking around I think. But the neighbor has a massive downgrade cuz of the layout of his house
spark remnant
Yea hn1s ai was more fun at times. Tho in hn2 they can be challenging at times s...
the hn1 neighbor can also hear you
most of the times it felt like he was doing random nonsense but sometimes i really saw the logic on why he placed a trap in a room. there were even a couple of times it was challenging to beat him
open crag
TinyJay already said that there are currently no plans for a NN to be added to H...
Well that just sucks a lot since it was promised. Honestly they should just not say anything about better ai at this point
Also idk if its that extremely low to he in hn1r since it would technically be a future project. Plus im assuming they would basically edit the game almost from scratch. I wonder if it will be in ue5 tho instead of ue4
open crag
the hn1 neighbor can also hear you
I don't think he heard walkinh
Its more like he heats you breaking windows
Maybe also throwing items or something but I can't remember
spark remnant
he heard walking, i did tests and looked through the code
open crag
But in hn2 whenever you go upstairs. They always know
spark remnant
its just isnt done really good
open crag
Oh so its like an unfinished feature in a way?
spark remnant
i couldnt decompile all but from the code i did compile in hn1 its pretty messy
no wonder the game is so buggy
open crag
Question
spark remnant
Oh so its like an unfinished feature in a way?
its an implemeted feature, but in a very bad way
open crag
Did they code in blueprint or c++
spark remnant
Did they code in blueprint or c++
blueprint from what i could decompile, it was a pain. never doing it again
open crag
Ah okay
spark remnant
took me 6 damn hours
open crag
Ngl blueprint has a lot of nice things that automatically does some of the coding for you
But too bad it can be linear at times
Im pretty sure c++ is supposed to be the better option
spark remnant
Ngl blueprint has a lot of nice things that automatically does some of the codin...
UE4 has some really complicated stuff done for you. for example idk... AI
open crag
Recently I tried out ue5
spark remnant
the AI stuff in UE4 is really advanced and you can create amazing AI with it
open crag
Didn't make an ai tho
spark remnant
Recently I tried out ue5
UE5 even better, it also has a built in plugin to connect neural networks from python or C#
open crag
Atleast Ig I kinda made ai in unity. But its mor like just follow the players location
open crag
UE5 even better, it also has a built in plugin to connect neural networks from p...
Yea
Maybe they could make the ai better in ue5
Who knows
spark remnant
there is some real cool stuff like advanced navigation, NOISE DETECTION which they somehow still screwed up and AI logic which is a whole catagory of stuff that the AI can figure out without hard coding
open crag
I hope the hn1r is made on ue5 instead. Can't wait to see hn1 in lumen quality
spark remnant
Yea
Maybe they could make the ai better in ue5
Who knows
hn2 still isnt finished at all, and we are already talking about a huge remake from scratch of hn1? yeah i dont think it is happening
unless there is a confirmation from the devs they are going to do it
and not just a maybe
open crag
Yea hn1r would probably be like
5 years from now if it happens
I do think they need to make it tho cuz even tho I lovr the first game
spark remnant
cuz they already screwed up their reputation badly and have a history of false promises and sometimes straight up lies
open crag
...its just.. not so great in a not biased pov
Plus with the hello neighbor franchise its kinda coming to an end in my opinion with the main story
So what else is there left too do. Other then some spin off games which is kinda eh
spark remnant
people love the alphas, not the full game, i really tried to enjoy the full game but i cant. if you love the full game good for you but please tell me what good do you find in it
spark remnant
So what else is there left too do. Other then some spin off games which is kinda...
i bet that it will go EXACTLY like fnaf, streching the story like rubber until it breaks
spark remnant
Believe it or not
I enjoy act 3
imo act 3 is the worst
open crag
i bet that it will go EXACTLY like fnaf, streching the story like rubber until i...
Yea thats why they shouldn't add more
spark remnant
i love the sandbox elements of act 3 but the AI is terrible in there
open crag
And theres nothing to add to the past prior to hide and seek
spark remnant
Yea thats why they shouldn't add more
they will because until this point they pretty much copied the fnaf formula
open crag
they will because until this point they pretty much copied the fnaf formula
I doubt it
spark remnant
and look what happened
spark remnant
they could have made something epic that no one did before but they ruined it because the clout got in them
open crag
While hide and seek filled in all the other blanks about the mystery and backstory
spark remnant
With hn1s ending u still needed a story afterwards
i dont get it you just wake up from a dream on your crusty old couch
open crag
Theres literally no more mystery from hn1 at all at this point
open crag
i dont get it you just wake up from a dream on your crusty old couch
Its nickys getting over his fear and trauma
Act 3 is more like a bonus
spark remnant
so is there any official confirmation or tweet or something that we are getting a remake at some point?
open crag
so is there any official confirmation or tweet or something that we are getting ...
I think they had mentioned it before
spark remnant
Its nickys getting over his fear and trauma
and the shadow figure is like representing the fear and dread?
open crag
I heard it from others like months ago
open crag
and the shadow figure is like representing the fear and dread?
Basically yea
But then I say the guest is kind of his replacement
In terms of an mysterious entity but this time being real
spark remnant
what even is the guest is it a spirit or what? is it just a middle aged man wearing a crow mask?
open crag
A monster or something
spark remnant
a weirdow like the neighbor?
spark remnant
I like to think hes a mannequin
then how is it moving
open crag
Ik he is a creature or demon that is ancient apparantly
open crag
then how is it moving
Well we see mannequins moving in the forest update
spark remnant
the movement seems pretty smooth for a doll out of wood doesnt it
open crag
And pay attention to the limbs
They are super skinny. They fit the mannequin limbs so well
And the sounds he makes do somewhat remind me of the mannequins but just slightly
spark remnant
so? the neighbor's limbs are also pretty skinny
this also fits the artstyle of the game
open crag
so? the neighbor's limbs are also pretty skinny
Not as much as the guest
The guest is even morr skinny
Like boney skinny
spark remnant
at everything is cartoony and a bit realistic at the same time
spark remnant
which if they did right i think would create a very eerie feeling
open crag
Idk if they will retkon his arms to be skinny or fat in the future like how they are in diaries
spark remnant
like something's off but you cant point and say what it is
open crag
Idk if they will retkon his arms to be skinny or fat in the future like how they...
They used hn2s model and retextured it as the hn1 model in diaries
spark remnant
yeah
open crag
this also fits the artstyle of the game
Yes but I think this has to he more then stylised
open crag
Cuz his speed and how high he can jump is nothing like a humans
Unless hes got gadgets that make him jump higher
Like the spring shoes from hello guest
open crag
also this reminds me isnt nickey's diaries supposed to be a hn1 remake
Eh not really
Thats nickys distorted memories
Of him trying to find his childhood friend aka aaron
spark remnant
Cuz his speed and how high he can jump is nothing like a humans
im gonna go full theory mode but [insert nerd emoji here] according to the laws of physics if something's more lightweight it can bounce higher
open crag
Somewhat also as a continuation from nickys story in hn1
spark remnant
Somewhat also as a continuation from nickys story in hn1
but poorly done with mobile iaps
open crag
im gonna go full theory mode but [insert nerd emoji here] according to the laws ...
But he jumps waaay too high from what i trmember
open crag
but poorly done with mobile iaps
Yea
I mean one thing u could question is nickys house in hn2
Cuz idk where its gonr
spark remnant
But he jumps waaay too high from what i trmember
if hes lightweight and adding extra energy and velocity to the jump with its own body it can be possible
open crag
if hes lightweight and adding extra energy and velocity to the jump with its own...
In the series I think he can dissapear
I doubt hes an actual human
spark remnant
also how this post went from adding the damn neural network to the game to talking about how the guest jumps lol
spark remnant
In the series I think he can dissapear
if there's some magic mambo jumbo i think he can still be human
and there is a cult that summons stuff with crow heads in hn2 right?
open crag
if there's some magic mambo jumbo i think he can still be human
I mean in the animated series we saw the neighbors brother fall in a hole
spark remnant
also unrelated but do you think hn3 will happen?
open crag
Perhaps his soul could have been sacraficed for the revival of the guest if thats what they are doing
open crag
also unrelated but do you think hn3 will happen?
No
spark remnant
tbh i hope not
open crag
Cuz as I said
I don't think they can continue the series anymore
spark remnant
its for the best for this series
open crag
I mean before we got any mention of hn3
They mention a hn1r do honestly I think hn3 will never happen
spark remnant
but i think one last installment to tie things all up will be the best way to end it
open crag
I hope in the same universe they do a spin off
spark remnant
they smashed it with a sledgehammer enough
open crag
Like granny and the twins
open crag
Maybe your a robber and your robbing from a museum or house and officier keith and lesely are protecting the building
(Nothing to do with theos story. Just set in the same universe)
Hello Thief
I hope theo doesn't die in the end
spark remnant
Maybe your a robber and your robbing from a museum or house and officier keith a...
not trying to be mean but this idea isnt really good imo
open crag
not trying to be mean but this idea isnt really good imo
I don't personally see an whole issue with it
Its not like its gonna become its own whole series
spark remnant
maybe a recap on all of nickey's past events with a SMART AI to work in some way even behind the scenes
open crag
Just more like a side game based off the first game but with two threats instead of one
open crag
I mean its just adding onto their story and nickys story is basically over
spark remnant
a neural network doesnt have to work directly
open crag
Adult nicky doesn't really have much with the story tbh
Cuz by the time hes grown up
Whatever in hn2 that has happened has happened
spark remnant
it can manage the important stuff behind the scene to personalize the game experience
open crag
cause they already rode the it is just a dream a lo
I use to hate that but now I like it
Just cuz they could add to the story without messing its lore
Well in terms of aarons age
And where the neighbors gone
And adds mystery to the burnt up house but still give us act 3 as well
spark remnant
well whatever will be with this game in the end its up to them
open crag
Act 2 is also a dream
spark remnant
and we have 0 control over this
so hope they will make the last smart decisions
and add a damn functional AI
open crag
Atleast its an ai that properly wonders and chases you
spark remnant
or this series will get 10 more titles like fnaf
open crag
Unlike fnaf ruin
Or poppy playtime
spark remnant
Atleast its an ai that properly wonders and chases you
at this point im tired of asking for a neural network
just give us something fun to play against
it isnt that hard
open crag
The guest update is fun but the ai is so op
And with no flashlight its hard to get rid of him
spark remnant
and also with the way they told their plans in the trailer for how the AI is going to train it would have taken 100s of millions of rounds and im not kidding
open crag
or this series will get 10 more titles like fnaf
Its only really getting spin offs in my opinion
Wouldn't mind a hello neighbor racing game tho
spark remnant
The guest update is fun but the ai is so op
havent played it yet how's the AI
open crag
I think tbat would be so wacky and funny
open crag
havent played it yet how's the AI
Hmmm its okay but the onlybway to gwt around him is running through bushes
And for me he normally gets stuck in a punching animatioj loop
spark remnant
i heard of some random dude's comment that tinybuild hired a team of AI experts
dont really believe it
open crag
And idk if this is true but I always feel like he gets a speed boost when hes glitched
spark remnant
And idk if this is true but I always feel like he gets a speed boost when hes gl...
the game is filled with bugs, it feels like an almost finished beta
not something you release to everyone with a 40 dollar price tag
open crag
Hmm I must say tho
Other then the ai side of things much
Tiny build have improved in other ways
Like making a map look better
Tbh I like hn1s map but the daytime lighting kills it
spark remnant
fun fact i decompiled the hn2 code too and the asset for the map is named "beta map 2
.0
open crag
Makes ssnse
spark remnant
im not kidding you can check it yourself
open crag
Cuz most of the items probably came from the beta
Probably got reused in the demo too with the while flying objects and the neighbors house
spark remnant
Cuz most of the items probably came from the beta
it is also a proof that the 1.0.0 version was supposed to be another closed beta before full release
open crag
Tho the houses would probably be a bit different since they changed the outside and inside of everyones houses
The museum getting the most change tbh with the whole inside being roated
spark remnant
there are a lot of assets and code that has something to do with the beta
open crag
The museum getting the most change tbh with the whole inside being roated
And also luckily they changed the dino bones into a giant crow thing
spark remnant
And also luckily they changed the dino bones into a giant crow thing
i liked the dino bones
open crag
there are a lot of assets and code that has something to do with the beta
Yea it was basically the version that made the artstyle and basically made the game
spark remnant
it makes more sense to be put in a musem
open crag
Eh yes but
Its harder to jump on
And
The crow fits in more with the hello neighbor theme
Plus the place is called ravenbrooks
Well scramble the letters and thats what its called
spark remnant
i think it was best if it will be like RE series where you could only jump in very specific situations
open crag
Or if you use the hello neighbor 1 act 3 sign as well
open crag
i think it was best if it will be like RE series where you could only jump in ve...
Eh naj
Nah
spark remnant
this way feeding input to the neural network will be easier if they added it since it plays like the player
and will prevent a lot of the bugs
open crag
I like jumping in games and it wouldn't feel right not too be able to jump in hello neighbor
spark remnant
its not that bad, it also adds to the idea this is a stealth game
spark remnant
which currently feels like a 3d platformer to me with some puzzles
open crag
If only they just switched the ai for the demos ai
open crag
which currently feels like a 3d platformer to me with some puzzles
Im no fan of that decision
spark remnant
Heck the neighbor could jump in the demo
but notice it was very buggy and unfinished. they somehow screwed that up to and gave up
which gives the player a really unfair advantage.
which is also why 5 minute speedruns of this game exist
open crag
but notice it was very buggy and unfinished. they somehow screwed that up to and...
Still was scary when he jumps on the bed with yo-
That sounded so sus but u know what I mean
spark remnant
Still was scary when he jumps on the bed with yo-
That sounded so sus but u kno...
oh no
notice in all of the hn games the never doesnt jump on the bed while youre on it
LORE
open crag
Plus in resident evil the character being so slow and the artstyle make him feel heavy
spark remnant
Plus in resident evil the character being so slow and the artstyle make him feel...
thats the point
but you can make him faster that no problem
spark remnant
keep the regular speed only remove the jumping
open crag
The characters controls feel like and its a cartoony game
Its a game that makes me wanna jump
Especially when running across town
Plus I love the climbing mechanic in hn2
I wish it was in hn1
spark remnant
imo the entire control system should be remade from scratch
open crag
Hn1 would have been a lot better with it
spark remnant
i want it to feel heavy
it needs to feel like a stealth horror game
that what it was meant to be
open crag
Well you probably should wish for another game or a spin off
Cuz its too late for hn2 to he like that now
spark remnant
and the reason for the original speed is because in hn1 alphas the devs didnt know unreal engine quite well so they went with a basic movement tutorial
spark remnant
Cuz its too late for hn2 to he like that now
its never too late to change stuff
open crag
Idk if the artstyle needs to change
open crag
its never too late to change stuff
It is
I personally do love hn2. I just wish for the ai to be better but for me the games fun
I just wish theres more levels as well
And honestly a level select wouldn't kill anyone-_-
Cuz for me
The old guys house is scary for me
spark remnant
the community needs to create a group that will make this AI for us and release it as a mod
since the devs have zero plans of doing it themselves
open crag
Cuz of how small it is and hes got a guh
I forgot his name somehow
Otoo
Otto
Thats it
open crag
the community needs to create a group that will make this AI for us and release ...
That would be good
But yea for the horror thing
Best thing to do at this point is play granny
spark remnant
no matter what tinybuild promises until i get to see it functioning i dont believe a single promise
open crag
Its got an ai that listens
Its kinda like act 2 where yountry to break out of the house
And it can be creepy
Theres just no running or being able to hold multiple items
Actually in the twins you can hold like 3 or 4 items I think
spark remnant
no blender animations an concepts something functioning in the product
open crag
But the hello neighbor racing game
That needs to be done
They wasted time on a crap game like hello engineers
spark remnant
you can always play mario kart you know
open crag
May as well use the whole car thing for something better
Im more into crash team racing
Plus its one game idm having an older and younger nicky at the same time
Cuz thats what racing spin off games do. Like CTR u can play as crash or baby crash
Same for mario in mario kart
spark remnant
hello neighbor is a series which revolves around a certain conecpt or idea.
this idea needs to be in common with the rest of the games in the series
or else those games arent a part of the series
for example hello engineer imo isnt a part of the series because the only thing thats in common with the core idea is the damn neighbor characters
and with that i gotta go. had fun talking about that. hope they do something
bye
spark remnant
ok im sick of waiting. if there was only a way to decompile the game without errors i would have made the neural network myself. its just for a game and its not nearly as complicated as making an llm like chatgpt. i have tried 6 times and always couldnt get my hands on the full source of the game
too bad tbh
open crag
ok im sick of waiting. if there was only a way to decompile the game without err...
What if you make your own game with one
tawdry plume
wouldnt neural network be unfair to new players?
spark remnant
What if you make your own game with one
nah i dont have enogu time to start a new game + i suck at 3d modeling.
spark remnant
wouldnt neural network be unfair to new players?
i said it a 100 times but you dont need a neural network to learn from an entire community instead you can just make a few 10s or 100s of instances of the neighbor and the player reflected like a mirror to increase the learning speed. you can also always add an option to reset the network if it is too advanced or create checkpoints that you can return to if you dont want to completley wipe the AI
but it will require a pretty strong computer
something like a 3070 atleast
tawdry plume
i said it a 100 times but you dont need a neural network to learn from an entire...
what if these 10 or 100 players only make the ai broken
somehow
spark remnant
what if these 10 or 100 players only make the ai broken
firstly imo the AI cant be in the cloud like they planned
open crag
nah i dont have enogu time to start a new game + i suck at 3d modeling.
Ironicly im the opposite XD
I like 3d modelling but suck at coding
spark remnant
I like 3d modelling but suck at coding
coding is just really giving computer instructions, its english but a bit differently, once you get it it clicks and you can code with no problem
open crag
Yea
I slightly get it more a bit now but Im still bad at it
Tho I really wanna get good at blueprint and c++
spark remnant
what if these 10 or 100 players only make the ai broken
secondly there should be a checkpoint system to save the state of the AI at certain thresholds.
spark remnant
Tho I really wanna get good at blueprint and c++
what languages do you know
cuz C++ is pretty advanced
but im sure you can do it with enough practice
open crag
what languages do you know
Well in uni i studied c#
spark remnant
Well in uni i studied c#
then youre good so go for it!
but it will take some time so dont get frustrated. good luck!
open crag
but it will take some time so dont get frustrated. good luck!
Yea
Hopefully ill be able to crack it
And thanks
spark remnant
Yea
Hopefully ill be able to crack it
And thanks
not hopefully you WILL be able to
its not a maybe you absolutley can
open crag
Thank you
humble dew
God I want NN to come back
God I don't want NN to come back
GOD I WANT NN TO COME B- GOD I WONT WANT NN TO COMR BAX!!!!!!
wooden drift
the developers scammed us they just want all our money in our wallet
orchid dock
the developers scammed us they just want all our money in our wallet
Ok brother
urban stream
the developers scammed us they just want all our money in our wallet
The devs never learn
violet willow
The devs never learn
They literally did though???
urban stream
Yeah, AFTER the full release of the game
Long after the promises that were never fulfilled
coarse thunder
Long after the promises that were never fulfilled
Whos to say most of them wont be
Now
Problaby not neural network but other Things
urban stream
that's true
but like majority of the people that played the game
I won't see them
cuz we gave up on it
leaden creek
They haven't even finished the game and it looks like they won't, and then you expect a neural network?
stark basin
They haven't even finished the game and it looks like they won't, and then you e...
They will finish the game.
And they're going to keep supporting it for years.
(Depends on suggestions or bug reports.)
teal hazel
No way, we NEED to demand they add some sort of adaptive AI to Hello Neighbor 2....
Neural network only works well if it is introduced at the peak player base, so essentially at the start. And for hn2 right now, the player base isn't big enough to add these things. TinyJay said it himself. Maybe they are making these big updates to bring more players to the game and THEN when they get enough players they will start to make good AI.
teal hazel
This is a fact
No it isn't. Didn't the Devs literally say that there will be more updates?
leaden creek
No it isn't. Didn't the Devs literally say that there will be more updates?
So where are the updates? It is not right to wait six months for every update containing 30 minutes of gameplay, we want a full game that has content. They have been working on the game since around 2019 and yet the game is still incomplete and contentless! I'm not a hater, I just want a good full game.
coarse thunder
So where are the updates? It is not right to wait six months for every update c...
Patch 10 will problaby be the patch to finish the game
Like there will problaby be more updates after but i Think patch 10 will like make it actually be a full game at least Campaign wise
leaden creek
Patch 10 will problaby be the patch to finish the game
There is no evidence that the next patch will not be just a minor patch
violet willow
So where are the updates? It is not right to wait six months for every update c...
They are taking their time with the updates, and not showing any teasers until they're %110 sure that what they show will be in the final update's release to avoid things that happened in the past. Jay also confirmed that HN2 will indeed be getting more updates.
orchid dock
They are taking their time with the updates, and not showing any teasers until t...
hey is me!
teal hazel
So where are the updates? It is not right to wait six months for every update c...
Just to clarify; I am DEFINETLY NOT defending the game. Although I want the next update to be a large one, I don't think it will, but i will still try to stay as optimistic as I can.
The game (as of right now) is in a very bad state. I do believe the Devs are trying to carry out at least a few big content updates, but with the lack of clarification and news to the development, it's gotten me more worried than hyped and excited.
I think the best thing we can do is wait until the next update releases, and if it isn't huge, polished and doesn't make the game any less boring, then we should almost definitely start some kind of pressure for the Devs. I don't like pressurising, but in this case if they are going to take so long to make a small update (like they did in patch 9) then they should absolutely be criticized.
I also want a good game, but we have to take their word for it as of right now. They won't tell us anymore, so the best we can do is wait, and knowing how this normally plays out, it might not be very smooth.
leaden creek
They are taking their time with the updates, and not showing any teasers until t...
Yes, we will have the full game in 3999