Delete stamina of the throw for kids🙏

[proper scarab]

In the Halloween update, you added stamina to children, which is spent when you throw an object, please remove this from the game! It was a terrible idea, the balance is completely broken, all the children except Quentin are now completely ruined, you have added endurance to the main mechanics of the game, the physics of objects. Now it is impossible to play against a neighbor, because after 3 hits you slow down, and if you give only 2 hits you will not be able to escape, because the neighbor can throw you items endlessly. The neighbor has special abilities to survive from mass throwing, such as rage, or clown smoke and disguise into objects. And the neighbor himself should not flatter the crowd, but now he can! since children are absolutely powerless against a neighbor with such a stamina. Please take away the stamina for throws

[drowsy sleet]

I wish the game was more stealth like the title intends

Stamina sure do be annoying, but the gameplay is not always dependent on attacking. Sometimes stealth can be a good way, but at the same time a lot of things just makes it hard to do so

[proper scarab]

and how does stamina help the game become what they originally wanted it to be?

[drowsy sleet]

I'm not saying stamina is not bad, because there are things that can be swapped with it.
But it helps stops people fighting the whole match at the same time.

But yes, the stamina is real annoying for me to, but it can maybe be swapped with something else

[proper scarab]

if they fight the whole game with a neighbor, then let them. One way or another, the neighbor will win. After all, the basement was not open

[proper scarab]

just delete from game, stamina - one of worst ideas

[drowsy sleet]

I shall not continue now, but I'm pretty much am on your side at the same time.

I do dislike Stamina, but it also fills in some spots which can be later replaced with some balancing

[stray condor]

i think stamina is just way too punishing

it shouldnt slow you down

they also need to add some way to prevent the neighbor from just stun locking

[proper scarab]

Yes, stamina just kill all 6 characters

[undone thistle]

It's a measure to prevent constant combat but that's kinda nullified by Quentin literally having perks that make it a non issue. Honestly, I think throwing stamina just needs to be its own thing. You're using your arms to throw things...not your legs.

[proper scarab]

You're talking about realism in the game, how can there be an auto aim in reality? Or why then doesn't the neighbor have stamina for throws?

[undone thistle]

im not talking about realism.

[mystic yew]

Tbh I hate the stamina too but maybe instead of removing it they could change it a bit.

[proper scarab]

"Honestly, I think throwing stamina just needs to be its own thing. You're using your arms to throw things...not your legs"

[proper scarab]

Oh, Do you mean that Quentin spends stamina when running? I think that's a good idea, because Quentin is too fast.

[proper scarab]

If change it, then only so that it is like Quentin's, but so that it is not spent when running. And then children won't be able to stun neighbor every second.

[edgy stone]

No dawg, them taking away stamina for each throw was such a good idea. Kid players aren’t gon start a whole spamming throwing frenzy

And the reason why the neighbor has more stamina when throwing things is to punish kid players who try to start combat

You’re suppose to run away, rather than fight the neighbor

[proper scarab]

You definitely have no idea about this game. This game is just different from games of the same genre, such as dead by daylight. Since you can fight here, that was the main idea, and if a neighbor is killed, then he simply does not know how to play, since the neighbors have a lot of abilities to RESIST the attack of children

[stray condor]

lmao no that wasnt the main idea

you werent supposed to obliterate the neighbor

thats why abilities like rage exist

to discourage the kids from killing the neighbor

both sides are supposed to play stealthy, not combative

the neighbor is supposed to deal with groups using his gates to seperate and kill them safely

not knock them all down

[edgy stone]

The “fight” mechanic is used to defend yourself when you’re cornered or if the neighbor is catching up with you in a chase. Not to get in a combat with him

It can also be used to save your teammates

It was never meant to be some combative type of game. Just because you can damage a enemy, doesn’t mean that’s the main idea of the game

That’s just like saying Alien Isolation is a shooter game all because you can use weapons

[undone thistle]

SN isn't meant to be a fighting game. It's supposed to be a stealth horror social deduction game.

[proper scarab]

And how should I defend myself from him now, they cornered me, and the most I can do is 3 hits, after which I will slow down and then they will definitely catch up with me

[proper scarab]

The main idea of the game that the developers wanted is a game where you need to find out who the neighbor is, and the neighbor should not give himself away, because if he gave himself away he would be killed all the time, and he should catch the children one by one. Now, the default neighbor with rage can run into a crowd of weak children and beat them all, and catch them one at a time while the others are out, and the children with their stamina for 3 strikes will fight with him forever until the neighbor kills everyone, and now the neighbor is too unbalanced, not because he has more advantages, but because all children except the journalist are unplayable

[proper scarab]

Try to find out who the neighbor is when he just turns into a neighbor 30 seconds after the start of the match and kills everyone

[proper scarab]

A neighbor should be afraid of children, and try to catch them one at a time without giving himself away so that he would not be beaten. And he shouldn't jump into a crowd and kill everyone in 5 seconds

Like in Among us, where the imposter must not give himself away, otherwise he will simply be thrown out

What's the point now of not impersonating a neighbor? If you can just kill everyone at once?

[proper scarab]

Yes, but now he is able to do it even more easily than before. Personally, in every game I play, I kill the whole crowd at once, because I don't want to waste time pretending that I'm not a neighbor, instead I can now kill everyone without dying for two reasons: Rage and Stamina for throwing at children

You do understand that the neighbor will not just run after the player by pinching the shift + E?

[hidden breach]

He shouldn't be afraid of kids, he should be more powerful. He should be able to catch kids off one by one but shouldn't be able to be fought off easily either

The main focus of the game should be stealth on both the neighbor's side and the kids side

[proper scarab]

That's exactly what should not be easy, But has become impossible

[proper scarab]

there is now a huge advantage on the neighbor's side, there is simply no point in acting covertly for him, because children are not a problem at all

[stray condor]

they need to add throwing stamina to neighbors too

[stray condor]

i do. he had to trick players

to prevent the kids from knowing his identity

you should prob read the name of the game you bought

[edgy stone]

They do

It’s just barely noticeable since your stamina as the neighbor is large

[edgy stone]

Just don’t use up all your strikes at once, best to just take two strikes when being cornered and that the neighbor is really close to go around him. Always helped me no matter how good the neighbor was. What you’re experiencing is called skill issue

[edgy stone]

Need to rephrase my first sentence here

Basically when you’re cornered and see that the neighbor is close enough to grab you, strike him twice (and only twice so you don’t run out of stamina) and go around him.

You using up all your strikes is what a Neighbor player like me would exactly want you to do to waste your stamina and take advantage of that.

[stray condor]

also, limited throws make chases more intense too

close scenarios where you think to yourself "thank god i used my last throw"

[edgy stone]

Except the fact that most recent updates made them more OP lmao

Like you could literally make Scout have the ability to run very fast, have 2+ extra ammo, and extend her slingshot damage

With the perks you buy

Same thing goes for every kid character

If you buy OP perks and make them max level, you’re unstoppable

[stray condor]

id even say that the neighbor is still underpowered compared to the kids

its better than before tho

[edgy stone]

Barely

[stray condor]

but the kids can still easily kill him

[edgy stone]

Same situation for Neighbor too

If you buy OP perks and upgrade them to max, you’re unstoppable

[stray condor]

well, he has to knock down multiple ppl at once

you cant really focus on one person

bc theres still other 4 ppl targeting u

[edgy stone]

Bro, you can boost the Clown neighbor’s running speed more with perks which is insane to me considering that he’s fast enough with default speed

Like that’s insane to me lol

[stray condor]

ok, u can also buff quentin and scouts speed too lol

[edgy stone]

I didn’t mean it as a problem

[stray condor]

both of which already are really fast

[edgy stone]

I find it awesome that you can do that

[stray condor]

oh, mb

[edgy stone]

But I still find it crazy lol

[stray condor]

idk, i think perks that just bzff certain things are kinda lame

which is like 99% of the sn perks

[edgy stone]

Can be lame sometimes, some are way too OP, some are fine

[stray condor]

id prefer it if it was like how perks function in dbd

[edgy stone]

I’d like that better

[stray condor]

in dbd perks actually change something in gameplay

[edgy stone]

You can have that perk, but it runs out after you finish a match

[edgy stone]

Yup

Adds more variety to the game

[stray condor]

the only perk that does this as far as im aware is inventors tier 3 metal detector perk

it adds a flashlight

theres so many cool perk ideas too in the suggestions

[proper scarab]

No, they need remove this from kids, or rework

[proper scarab]

You should not only rely on the name of the game, but also try other ways to understand how to play

[proper scarab]

And what if the neighbor is not stupid, and will also throw objects?

[proper scarab]

I can throw 2 punches, but I can't go any further, otherwise I'll slow down and die, but he can throw me as much as he wants.

[proper scarab]

I prefer the scenario where I say "Thank God they removed stamina for throws from the game"

[proper scarab]

Neighbor side?

[proper scarab]

And then watch as an default neighbor received minimal damage (15 units of damage from the scout's maximum stretched slingshot) and is already running after you under rage

[proper scarab]

Detective?

[proper scarab]

💀💀💀

After update, even a ghost is a strong neighbor

[proper scarab]

And this you call OP perks? lol

[stray condor]

i never said they werent strong

theyre still weaker than the kids

[proper scarab]

Only for journalist

[stray condor]

playing combat based isnt how youre meant to be playing tho lol

just bc u can throw items doesnt mean you have to just fight

[proper scarab]

So why shouldn't I give myself away if the kids can't do anything to me

[stray condor]

the game was literally made with stealth, social deduction, and tricking in mind

why do u think transforming exists in the first place

[stray condor]

bc neighbors currently dont have anything that keeps them from knocking down everyone

[proper scarab]

They give me the opportunity to finish the game faster and without unnecessary problems, just by killing everyone

[stray condor]

and classes like scary being able to abuse rage and kill everyone

[stray condor]

ye, but the thing is, thats not how the game is meant to be played

it promotes itself as a social deductiom stealth game

ppl just found ways to abuse their abilities to win

for example scouts slingshot was added to escape from the neighbor easier

[proper scarab]

If I try to play the way it is "intended", then I will just lose every match

[stray condor]

bc everybody uses combat to win nowadays

back then when it first came out

nobody did

and actually tried playing the way it was intended

[proper scarab]

And the taxidermist with a shotgun was created, obviously for a secretive game, so as not to impersonate a maniac, and not to kill everyone at once

[stray condor]

the taxidermist and ghost are both very flawed classes to begin with

[proper scarab]

That's why the neighbor always lost

[stray condor]

the gun was inplemented to discourage the kids from killing the neighbor

but again, ppl just abused it

[proper scarab]

Why not?

Why shouldn't I use it if I can?

This is the problem of the game, not my problem.

[stray condor]

im not telling u to change ur playstyle lmao

[proper scarab]

Or, why then does a neighbor's rage ability accumulate when he hits children? and not when he is beaten, as it was in the beta version of the game? Isn't it so that he doesn't get hammered?

[stray condor]

so if its the games problem, why do u make it a bigger problem by removing the stamina lol

[proper scarab]

This will make it possible to resist the abilities of a neighbor

[stray condor]

what version are u even playing lol

rage still progresses if he gets hit

[proper scarab]

I know, I'm saying that why does it count when the NEIGHBOR beats the children?

[stray condor]

then its gonna be like how it was before

kids being op

[proper scarab]

The removal of stamina, just balances the pvp system

[stray condor]

so he can get it quicker

[stray condor]

if u think updates like summer camp were balanced

idk what to tell u

[proper scarab]

I didn't say that

I'm saying that the old pvp system was much better

[stray condor]

it used the old pvp system

and would u look at that

neighbors infinitely dying

[proper scarab]

I can still accept the fact that it takes longer to hold down the mouse button for more damage, at least it will fix well with perks

[stray condor]

scout being able to stunlock and 1v1 him

the kids are afraid of the neighbor

why would they beat him up

[proper scarab]

nah, a scout won't be able to do anything against an default neighbor with rage,The slingshot causes little damage, but accumulates rage like ordinary objects

[stray condor]

i know, but classes like butcher, ghost, guest, and clown are getting clapped

scary was like the only one who stood a chance

[proper scarab]

Clown too

Another neighbor just trash

Developers should rework them

[stray condor]

not really

one leader is enough to screw up a clown

aim assist also makes it easy to hit him in prop form

[proper scarab]

aim assist are bad idea for PC, I don't count it, since I'm not talking about the summer update.

aim assist for PC too need deleted

[stray condor]

well, i dont count otto and ghost too since they are flawed classes to begin with

[proper scarab]

But after all, they exist in the game, I did not consider the aim assist as I asked to return the pvp system when the update with the guest came out.

[stray condor]

the guest update had old pvp tho?

[old basalt]

Don't delete it but when you throw 3 thing don't make you slower just make it that you can't throw anything

[undone thistle]

that's what im saying with the whole 'arm stamina/strength' thing. you shouldn't be slowed to a crawl over that.

[edgy stone]

That would work better

[alpine garden]

I have an idea that could resolve this. Instead of throwing being tied to overall stamina. instead have a seperate bar( probably the throwing meter). Everytime you throw it slowly depletes. the less you have. the weaker the throw

[proper scarab]

Maybe I misunderstood, but it seems to me that even stamina would be better

[alpine garden]

Could you explain?

I mean that the more you throw in quick succession the less damage it deals and the less distance it travels

[proper scarab]

But then it will be impossible to resist the default neighbor, because he has rage, and regardless of the damage, you need to make 9 hits, and the game is designed so that if he is hit 9 times he will die, in this case he will get rage, but will not die, since less damage was received

[shadow hull]

In real life, there's no limits on your stamina when you are trying to throw anything

Sn throw stamina is unrealistic and is meant to keep the game balance. It's not trying to go for a realistic approach