I think it would be cool if during ruined town section not only would guest stalk us but a few vandals(2-4) would roam the town kinda like we saw in the devlog where we see an vandal scaring imbir by kicking a trash can.
#vandals roaming the streets in ruined town
sick cargo
wide current
no
sick cargo
Yes
edgy vine
yes
humble socket
I think it would be cool if during ruined town section not only would guest stal...
hn2 alpha 1 old version:
lol
stuck coyote
This makes sense
wide current
This does not make sense
stuck coyote
Yeah but it would be cool
wide current
Why not?
it wouldnt work, it would be very random and would confuse newer, or inexperienced players
stuck coyote
How?
wide current
newer, or inexperienced players
wide current
having characters just do nothing but be there is a complete waste of time
and has no reason to exist
sick cargo
having characters just do nothing but be there is a complete waste of time
It would add life
stuck coyote
No it's not.
wide current
no it wouldnt
sick cargo
More characters
stuck coyote
It's called detail
sick cargo
Yes
wide current
thats not detail.
stuck coyote
It is
sick cargo
It litteraly is
wide current
🤦♂️
sick cargo
Fine have them roam gaap
stuck coyote
Plus if patch 9 is hello guest then vandals should fit in no problem
stuck coyote
Probaly won't.
keen needle
I don't think we need vandals in HN2
bright raven
it wouldnt work, it would be very random and would confuse newer, or inexperienc...
how would an npc walking around confuse people?
wide current
newer, or inexperienced players
bright raven
why the red circle around the shoe 💀
wide current
How many times do I have to say it smh
bright raven
**newer, or inexperienced players**
people have brains you know?
they arent gonna follow an npc like a vandal for 30 minutes straight
wide current
i never said that they would be following them for 30 minutes straight, they would just confuse players as they will try to interact with the vandal to find it does nothing. the amount of times i have to say that we dont need useless npcs that are there for decoration
worthy pollen
i never said that they would be following them for 30 minutes straight, they wou...
They could be just for free roam mode or just an Easter egg somewhere
But idk
rugged linden
The only thing I will say is that I like the somewhat lonely atmosphere of Raven Brooks as it currently stands
fierce basalt
i never said that they would be following them for 30 minutes straight, they wou...
People are not that stupid, and if what you’re saying is true, then I guess every other open world game should not have npcs then
Have a little faith in people
Newer or inexperienced players will try to mess with them a little bit and that’s it
It won’t make them confused or anything
This is why play testers exist
earnest valve
its just world building, it wont hurt new players
if there cant be vandals roaming the town at night then may aswell remove world roaming NPC's from literally every other open world game
they already accidentally experimented with this idea with imbir back in the alpha's, this never confused players
infact even though she was specifically programmed to guide players to the candies its taken up to several months for people to even find out she does that because no one was stupid enough to follow a small piece of what seemed like world building
wide current
HN does not need open world roaming NPCs when the Base AI builds the world fine
earnest valve
and yet they dont build the world outside of their homes
stuck coyote
4 citizens...
earnest valve
the town is just
stuck coyote
In a town
wide current
HN does not need open world roaming NPCs when the Base AI builds the world fine
HN has already shown this with having an empty world with only like 7 characters in game
stuck coyote
With alot of houses
wide current
HN has already shown this with having an empty world with only like 7 characters...
and the game feels alive just with the audio
wide current
And not in the way it should
its exactly how it should be?
wide current
and yet they dont build the world *outside* of their homes
well theres the forest, which shows that theyre actively going to build the world outside their homes
ig we'll have to wait and see for that
earnest valve
world building isnt only expanding the playable area
wide current
i dont see the point in doing otherwise
earnest valve
and the game feels alive just with the audio
also the game does not feel alive with only the audio
it feels eerie because of the lack of sources for the audio
wide current
eerie is a good thing in this circumstance
wide current
yes.
earnest valve
good in some situations but act 1 is not horror
stuck coyote
Yeah it doesn't work
wide current
its trying to be
but fails mainly on visuals
the audio is trying to do a seperate job than the visuals ig
stuck coyote
If they ever did add npcs to bg houses.
They should just do activities
That give sources too the noises
stuck coyote
I don't see a problem.
wide current
it never has any characters beyond the main ones
wide current
There's gonna be people.
thats literally what the audio is for
stuck coyote
Yes
wide current
theyre doing the exact same as HN1
stuck coyote
But wheres the audio coming from?
wide current
it
dosent
matter
if it dosent come from anywhere
the OG point of HN not having background characters was to make the player focus on the one character that was there: the neighbor
the same applies to HN2
stuck coyote
I'm not saying these characters should be important
wide current
neither am i
wide current
the same applies to HN2
the only characters that are there are the main ones cus theyre the only important ones
they use extended media to show background npcs
keen needle
it feels eerie because of the lack of sources for the audio
I think it's more annoying than anything
stuck coyote
Yeah
keen needle
I'm not talking to you
keen needle
I'm not even going to bother with this
wide current
?
fierce basalt
Just noticed one thing
Jay only ever thinks about his opinion
He doesn’t ever think of any other possibilities
So genuinely trying to have a conversation with him ends bad
Because he only thinks of his opinion
There’s no point arguing with him
So just ignore him and let’s think of suggestions on how to improve this
Rather than wasting time in talking to a wall
wide current
wide current
dude i aint even arguing i gave like several valid reasons as to why this post isnt good
fierce basalt
Dude
We are arguing
And we gave several valid reasons as to why this suggestions are good
So let’s just stop it here
And focus on making the suggestions better
earnest valve
i feel like hes trying too hard to be a new HN fan
like i prefer new HN but i'll admit when the alpha's did something better
bright raven
i feel like hes trying too hard to be a new HN fan
I really dislike how if people like new stuff they MUST hate the stuff from the alphas and vice versa
it benefits no one and just makes everyone be mad at each other
the alphas had a lot of great ideas that werent used
I dont see the harm of adding them back in. In a way that makes sense
they are doing this with mith
and technically beatrix since she:
- is actually canon now
- is important to the story of hn2
- Gives us a part a part of Quentin`s backstory that not only fleshes him out but gives him a motive
why cant vandals appear in hn2 as a diffrent kind of AI?
even if they arent important to the main gameplay they could make the town feel more alive. They used them as background npcs in the gas station in hga
and it worked pretty well
why cant something similar be done to make the town feel more alive?
or if they must have some sort of purpose you could have them be an obstacle to the player
or have the player be able to steal the gas canisters from them for a puzzle
fierce basalt
Twisted with the common W
In all seriousness, the vandals have such great potential that is just being squandered
wide current
I literally never said I hate the stuff from the alphas but okay
wide current
i feel like hes trying too hard to be a new HN fan
Wth do you mean, I just said how I don’t like the idea of one character coming back and I for some reason people think that automatically means I have everything from the alphas, I’m not 'trying too hard' with anything, I’m giving my honest opinion on this idea.
I have my reasons to dislike any post, so maybe listen to that before accusing me of hating the feature or the version it’s from smh
sullen field
This one is a meh suggestion because it's pretty clear they probably aren't coming back, but I couldn't see them walking on the sidewalks at night, I could maybe see them doing this in the guest forest
humble socket
The thing is, they actually tested this in a dev build of hn2a1, and what they would do is roam the streets and kick small buildings like in hg, they also would set on fire too.
So if they were added in hn2, ig it would be in a destroyed town setting and they would be a bit important.
blissful falcon
it wouldnt work, it would be very random and would confuse newer, or inexperienc...
i feel like if you see someone in a hoodie breaking stuff around the town youd realize what it is
blissful falcon
The thing is, they actually tested this in a dev build of hn2a1, and what they w...
i wonder if the vandal related stuff is still in the hn2a1 map
like the stuff to get it to work
humble socket
i wonder if the vandal related stuff is still in the hn2a1 map
Can you spawn them?