Remove/Add less random traps in games

[pure knoll]

This is too frustrating. To win, kids have to combo the neighbor most of the time, but the fact there are too many traps makes frustration when a kid get caught just because of a random trap. Random smokes are also annoying because most of the time they are in small rooms

[past thunder]

Kids aren't supposed to combo the neighbor to win

They are meant yo run away. But there's nothing in game to prevent that so everyone does it

[pure knoll]

Because this is the best way

And you can't really run away from the ghost

[past thunder]

The traps shouldn't be removed but they should be lessened and not be as common

The traps definitely are annoying because of how common they are

[pure knoll]

Remove/Add less random traps in games

[bold walrus]

its the best way, yes, but not how the game is supposed to be played

thats why they added the stamina bar to kids when throwing

[pure knoll]

Yeah but there a lot of situations where you can't really do anything without fighting

[bold walrus]

also, the traps issue isnt that theyre too common, its just that they are clustered

[pure knoll]

this is useless in my opinion

[bold walrus]

for example?

[pure knoll]

the neighbor is following you

you have no chairs to block a door

[bold walrus]

run away, juke him, block doors, etc.

[pure knoll]

or you are blocked in a place with the exit not reachable

[pure knoll]

you have no chairs to block a door
or you are blocked in a place with the exit not reachable

[bold walrus]

not reachable?

[pure knoll]

like you are in a room where the only exit(s) available is/are protected by the neighbor

[bold walrus]

youre supposed to stick together in a group to save eachother, not combo the neighbor

staying in a group prevents you from being in these scenarios

also, theres always a way to run away

[pure knoll]

yeah but even the neighbor can still go after them

and you can't really avoid the ghost

if he's following you

[bold walrus]

??which is why youre supposed to stick together to save eachother

[pure knoll]

yeah

[bold walrus]

ghost and otto are completly flawed classes anyways

[pure knoll]

but he can follow the kids

[bold walrus]

yes, but if you keep saving eachother he cant

which is why he also needs more ways to split up kids

[pure knoll]

but he have to caught kids so he will always continue following them

[pure knoll]

if the kids are smart enough they'll always make sure they can't be splited

[bold walrus]

like i said, the kids can keep saving eachother

[pure knoll]

but after

he can still continue to follow them

and if kids don't have enough time to search keys because of the neighbor the best they have to do is kill him

[bold walrus]

the neighbor can be too. i think they should add the portable sonar for every neighbor to make it easier for the neighbor to split up kids

[bold walrus]

the other kids distract the neighbor while the detective searches the keys for example

the kids distract him not by killing him, but by making him chase them and not focus the kid that is searching for keys

[pure knoll]

but in that case he can go for the detective

[bold walrus]

are you even listening?

[pure knoll]

if the detective is finding the keys

[bold walrus]

not being rude, genuienly asking

[pure knoll]

instead of going on kids that are doing nothing, he can just go to the detective

[bold walrus]

if the neighbor tries focusing the kid that searches for the keys the kids can just go to the kid and protect it and try distracting the neighbor even more

also, all of the kids are searching for keys

they can search for keys while the neighbor tries to split them up and kill them

its not like the neighbor will be always with the group of kids

he has to try splitting them up when the kids dont watch their guard and focus om finding keys

[pure knoll]

they still have to combo

if the neighbor is trying to caught them

or if it's otto

[bold walrus]

why?????

they just need to run and search for keys

and avoid the neighvor by playing stealthy

[pure knoll]

there is the radar

[bold walrus]

otto is a completly flawed class, he needs a fix or rework

[pure knoll]

being stealth isn't really usefull most of the time

[bold walrus]

i know, thats why people want them to make it more stealthy like how it was intended

it was always intended to be stealthy, but people noticed that playing combat-wise is more effective and better for winning, which is why they stopped playing stealthy

why do you think clown for example has a camouflage ability?

the kids play stealthy and the neighbor needs to trick the kids and play stealthy too

not obliterate the neighbor

[pure knoll]

i didn't say the game wasn't originally made for being stealth

[bold walrus]

you said kids have to combo the neighbor though

[pure knoll]

most of the time

[bold walrus]

which they dont

its effective, yes, but not intended

why do you think rage exists?

to prevent the neighbor from dying and discourage the kids from fighting him

[pure knoll]

yeah but it's useless to try caught a kid during rage if he's in a group

[bold walrus]

the neighbor should only be able to die from the gun or fall damage

[bold walrus]

what?

[pure knoll]

when you start the rage and then you caught a kid

the rage isn't long enough to completely prevent kids from saving their teammate

[bold walrus]

yes?

[bold walrus]

youre not supposed to use rage that way??

rage was for the neighbor to not die

but scary players abuse it and farm rage to secure kills

rage needs a rework too

so its less combat based

[leaden yoke]

Juke dosent work cause of how slow kids are

[leaden yoke]

Not that ez when ur as slow as a slug and constantly out of stamina

[leaden yoke]

He has a point my friend would always ignore the kid that is not looking 4 keys and just target those who are and with this new update u cant protect the kis cause if u miss 2 shots ur already out

[leaden yoke]

If everything is less combat based u cant run away some things are nessecary to be used as combat not saying rage should stay the way it is but too many things are getting nerfed and in result a lot of ppl are quitting sn the only players i see still playing are on pc not everyone is on pc which makes these changes hard for console kids

[bold walrus]

youre saying it like theyre as slow as the neighbor when he carries a bagger. its still possible to run

[bold walrus]

if it is combat based you have no point in running away and just beat up the neighbor. combat wouldnt be necessary at all if they made the game more stealth based

it was intended from the start to be stealth based, but people began to notice that playing combat based is more effective (abusing rage by hitting kids for example even though it was to discourage the kids from fighting the neighbor and run)

[leaden yoke]

Thats bagger tho and im not talking about when he holds someone and actually they are slower than the neighbor as me and my friends literally did a side by side

[leaden yoke]

Im not saying 100% combat based im saying some combat elements need to stay if u want to be able to run

[bold walrus]

they literally arent slower wth

[leaden yoke]

In that cause why dont they change rage so u can take damage but not let the kid go

[bold walrus]

its just easier for neighbors to catch up

[leaden yoke]

Well i played on console

And they are way slowrr

[bold walrus]

i play on xbox

[leaden yoke]

Ps4

[bold walrus]

what?

[leaden yoke]

And take less damage

Like 1 hit takes a small amount of ur health

[bold walrus]

combat elements dont work with stealth and beating up the neighbor to run away just simply doesnt make sense when hes the one who is supposed to be the threat to the kids

[leaden yoke]

Its called self defense

[bold walrus]

that wouldnt discourage the kids from fighting him if he still takes damage

[bold walrus]

1. hes literally an adult male
2. the kids are scared of him
3. theyre breaking into a house, of course they have to be sneaky

[leaden yoke]

U said u want it less combat based didnt u?

[bold walrus]

yup

[leaden yoke]

Ur forgetting about brave

[leaden yoke]

Never said they didnt

[bold walrus]

brave is scared of him too lol, shes just brave enough to free herself

[leaden yoke]

Im saying they need a chance at running away

[bold walrus]

she literally has a scared face when just looking at him

[leaden yoke]

Then whats the point in calling it brave if she isnt brave

[bold walrus]

they do???

[bold walrus]

read the message you just responded to again

no other kid is brave enoigh to free themself, brave is the only one

[bold walrus]

(expect if youre going against otto or ghost, but theyre really flawed classes anyways)

also, saying that people will quit when the game becomes less combat based just isnt true. this feedback about making the game more social and stealth based already has 95 likes

if you dont understand how this game was intended to be, let me explain:

the kids were supposed to find out who the neighbor is and trust no one at first, but once they did find out its best to stick together in a group with the kids that arent the neighbor to always save eachother and run away once the neighbor confronts them (all while searching keys of course).

the neighbor is supposed to gain as much trust as he can from the kids and then catch them one by one. if they do find out who it is and stick together the neighbor needs to use gates and try splitting up the kids from the group to catch them off guard.

[leaden yoke]

Not everyone has discord

[bold walrus]

trust me, this isnt even the only feedback about making the game less combat based

[leaden yoke]

Yeah but if stick in groups dosent work the point is to free each other right? But u cant if u miss 3 shots and are out of stamina and if ur leader its even worse if u miss 2 shots then ur out

[bold walrus]

yeah, but youre in a group, so youre not the only one who can only throw 3 items

[leaden yoke]

Im saying atleast a few small combat elements should stay for those who want it and then new and more stealth ways for those who wang iy

[leaden yoke]

Yeah but leader has 2

[bold walrus]

and?

[leaden yoke]

Plus if ur last kid what are u supposed to do

[bold walrus]

run

[leaden yoke]

And if she misses both then ur friend is dead

[leaden yoke]

How can i when im too slow

[bold walrus]

thats your fault

saving someone is a high risk, high reward type of thing

[bold walrus]

youre literally the only one i see complaining about the kids being "too slow"

its just harder trying to run away from him

you have to throw items wisely

[leaden yoke]

Not the only one

Just be cause u see one dosent mean there is one

[bold walrus]

stamina also makes it so that the kids cant save a friend unlimited amount of times

[bold walrus]

maybe because nobody complains about it

the kids still are able to group up and kill any neighbor easily (expect otto and ghost maybe)

[leaden yoke]

I dont want stamina removed i want it balanced it feels rlly limited

[bold walrus]

i think its fine

[leaden yoke]

Say that to me winning almost everytime when im neighbor

Literall everytime even before this update

[bold walrus]

thats not hard if youre skilled enough, especially as scary neighbor

[leaden yoke]

I feel like they should up it atleadt 1 or 2 so u still have a chance or leave stamina as is and bring the kids speed back to normal

[bold walrus]

but if you played as any neighbor other than scary against a group of skilled leaders and scouts with aim assist, its over, youre screwed

[leaden yoke]

See thats why i want scout nerfed

Not brave

[bold walrus]

brave didnt get nerfed

[leaden yoke]

Her speed did

[bold walrus]

its just otto making her really bad

[leaden yoke]

Its not when i go agienst otto tho

Uts every neighbor

[bold walrus]

wasnt brave the 3rd slowest class before?

[leaden yoke]

Her walk speed and run speed are the same

[leaden yoke]

She actually was similar to scout in speed

Her speed was a normal amount

Ur still able to run after counter and get caught if the neighbor hits u once

But now i cant run at all

[bold walrus]

me when i lie

[leaden yoke]

See

[bold walrus]

she is literally almost as slow as bagger

and was before too

[leaden yoke]

Now she is

[bold walrus]

not similar to scout💀

no? she always was

[leaden yoke]

Why be that slow tho counter would have no point

[bold walrus]

its the same as before lol

[leaden yoke]

It acutally isnt dont make me make a comparison video of before and after

[bold walrus]

breaking out with counter in summer camp is the same as breaking out with counter in halloween 2023

[bold walrus]

rightttt

of course they changed braves speed all of a sudden in a random halloween update, and only brave

[leaden yoke]

Didnt say it was only

It was all of them

[bold walrus]

they have the same speed as before

[leaden yoke]

They dont

[bold walrus]

i cant with you anymore

cya