We want Social Deduction. Not combat.

[somber gull]

Look how everyone is reacting to this update Hologryph. People like the revamp, it looks nice in my opinion but look at the gameplay. You gave Otto simply too much power with his gun and now EVERYONE is being him and just shooting lobbies down. Even with a Leader, it's very much sided in Otto's favor with his gun's damage and unlimited ammo and it's hard to GET a leader since everyone wants to be Quentin since he's new.

Remember what SN used to be about? Stealth, social deduction, getting the keys, and tense horror. What happened to it? We don't want a 'rebalance' we want a return to how it used to be. We don't need combat based classes, cause you can't tell me Otto is NOT a combat class. He literally has a rifle.

Add more ways to split kids up, rework neighbors to be less combative and encourage/reward stealth more. When I play this game, I want to be like 'We got to find keys and I don't know who I can trust.' not 'Oh shoot I got to get as much as I can done before the Neighbor transforms into Otto as soon as he can and begins to shoot everyone cause he has infinite ammo.' One way this can be done is just to make Scary's disguise and Otto's Sonar (MINUS the ability to see players) available for every neighbor and give Scary and Otto new abilities to replace those. While we're at it, rework Otto's gun to make it longer to reload or you have to manually make more at a wood crafting station.

I know some people are like 'but i like the combat stance', that's the problem. SN is NOT supposed to be a combat game. Look at the original Neighbor's and Clown's abilities compared to Guest's and Otto's. Guest can literally track down kids so what's the point in stealth, Otto can easily shoot explorers and knock them down, Ghost can just FLY everywhere and instantly grab after he turns solid...

Let's not mention combative kids, you may have added stamina to throwing items but what about Scout? They can still charge shots and knock you down, and not to mention power milk. Scouts' slingshot NEEDS to become a last resort, not a first resort! Nerf the stun and damage of the charged shot, cause toxic scouts can take down the normal kid in 4 charged shots RIGHT at the start of a round. Both sides have problems hologryph, don't just buff one side.

I'm not having fun like I used to. Please hologryph. Understand we want to go back to how it was. Not literally go back to alphas, but make the game more stealthy and not like 'needs to be more kid/neighbor sided in terms of combat'

Leave input below. I'm trying to be constructive here.

[lone quail]

i agree

[untold inlet]

Nice peace of feedback, i agree with all of it and i'm sure the great team at HG will make the best of it.

[rigid forge]

I agree

[somber gull]

I'm a long time fan, and it hurts me to see the game like this so I'm trying to be helpful. I want to enjoy playing SN, i want to get on and not get angry everytime i play. I want to be scared of who's the neighbor, not angry cause they shot me and are doing dances and violins.

[ripe silo]

How about this, we remove emotes in QG, and only leave them available in custom games

[somber gull]

I mean certain emotes can be helpful, but not dances.

[ripe silo]

Since QG is supposed to be finding matches online, and having to experience the exact thing you were hoping for

[somber gull]

Like thank you and salute is nice, but TEASE.

That needs to go.

[ripe silo]

Why don't we have an emote in QG that is locked up to greets and guides

And have the rest be open for CG.

[somber gull]

True.

[knotty pelican]

Ngl, Otto is doing what he's meant to do for a neighbour for once. Its to make kids run away from him, but there's a part of running away or getting completely gunned down from a distance making you unable to escape

[blazing knoll]

In your feedback post you should include something about making kids less combative as well

Chances Holo sees this feedback and only nerf neighbors even more when kids are the real problem

Otto, yes, otto definitely needs a nerf but the rest of the neighbors could stay were they are and some could use buffs while the kids should be nerfed

[somber gull]

added

[blazing knoll]

Nice

I think they should also give kids more incentives to run away if fighting for too long

Maybe add that too?

Sorry I'm not trying to tell you how to do your own feedback post

But remember last time they added your feedback they took it too literally

Added a silent kill feature but the shush was so loud

Increased the death time like you said but increased it for all kills not just silent kills

[somber gull]

I think the throwing stamina is that but i get that

[wanton shore]

Everyone has been asking for this time and time again, but still, how? What changes do you make that turn SN into the social deduction game we all want? It's really not as easy as just saying "make it focused on social deduction"

maybe throwable objects should just be removed

[somber gull]

It feels like ever since the butcher was added the game is more combat oriented, so my solution is to change those classes. Encourage being trickster (for neighbor) and stealthy (for kids) and discourage out right confrontation.

Like look at Clown and Scary Neighbor, they have disguise stuff but no other class does

[wanton shore]

I mean, i don't know

ghost was added after butcher and he is by no means "combat focused"

[somber gull]

Well the problem with ghost is he was meant to be a 'go ahead and mess with things, like hide the keys or seperate people' but the main problem is that if you're solo/last kid against a ghost? You're almost guarrenteed to die as there's NOTHING stopping them from just following you waiting to go solid and instantly grab you.

Too many times they found a way to get me EVEN with a lamp

[wanton shore]

honestly I wouldn't say butcher is either, people just play him that way because he can take more hits. He's meant to hide and get kills from a distance

[somber gull]

i get that, but due to the factor he's called a 'tank class' who can take more hits well.

[blazing knoll]

I would say make the neighbor relatively weak (about as weak as he is rn) at the start if the match so he will try to focus on getting split off kids than focusing on attacking a group. Then also give him tools to split kids up. I think all neighbors should get the portable sonar (just not able to see kids through walls only the real sonar does that) and replace ottos ability with something else. Maybe he can lay ducks on the ground that send a notification when they detect motion or something like that idk (actually this would be good because kids would want to sneak past the ducks instead if rushing through and risking location being revealed).

[somber gull]

Yeah i expected duck power

but we got no wooden ducks

[blazing knoll]

And after the neighbor kills 2 or more players he will give off a new fear effect on the kids. This time if kids are with the fear effect for too long they start to do less damage until they do almost nothing and the neighbor will have the upper hand in a fight, eventually players will learn that fighting the neighbor at this stage is useless and encourage them to run away

This is how I think it could work

[vestal sentinel]

I was about to say an idea like this

[wanton shore]

Agreed, portable sonar and disguise should be base-kit for every neighbor

[somber gull]

Agreed.

i'm going to add that actually

[vestal sentinel]

The more you encounter the neighbor and keep trying to fight him, the more weak your attacks get. Encouraging you to just run away.

I like that idea

[blazing knoll]

You're going to teach the word limit before then

[somber gull]

i have nitro.

don't worry.

[vestal sentinel]

But one small thing, what if the neighbor keeps following you and the situation is like a endless “hit and run” situation?

[somber gull]

[blazing knoll]

Nitro

[vestal sentinel]

How would it work?

[blazing knoll]

Always can do more with Nitro 😔

[vestal sentinel]

I love that game!

[somber gull]

let's not get off topic, i don't want this place locked.

[vestal sentinel]

Understandable

[somber gull]

i'm adding it on now

there we go, does that look good @blazing knoll

[vestal sentinel]

But I got a question Afro. I like your idea of kids having their attacks being weaker the more they encounter and attack the neighbor.

But one question, what if the neighbor keeps following you and it becomes a endless “hit and run” situation?

[blazing knoll]

I like it. I hope people take time to read it through so this post gets upvoted

Its quite long

But can't really avoid that

[somber gull]

Longer = more detail = more for the team to work with

[blazing knoll]

Yes

[somber gull]

I like the idea that otto has to MAKE his ammo, like you get a certain amount but you must scrounge up things and make them at a table. Meaning the rifle is a 'use only if you need it'

[vestal sentinel]

IMO, they need to nerf Otto’s amount of bullets to 3 instead of 6 IMO.

People be spamming the hell out of that weapon

And it’s annoying

[blazing knoll]

I think the best nerf for otto would be to make him fire a little less pelts at once, but mostly make it not do much damage at all if at far range, only close range will it really mkst instant knock you

So kids are encouraged to run

[vestal sentinel]

Yeah

[blazing knoll]

Currently kids try to run but otto is so strong that he doesn't let them anyway

Even when they try to run

[wanton shore]

hmm, either reduce the size of otto's clip or force bullets to be crafted. Can't have both or he'd be virtually useless

[blazing knoll]

Crafting would be interesting

[vestal sentinel]

Or go to the secret bookshelf rooms to find bullets and refill his ammo

[wanton shore]

also, at least with the way the stun on his bullets works right now, the spread of his bullets needs to become more focused. The spread combined with the stun makes for a deadly combo that doesn't require much good aim

[blazing knoll]

That would be cool too

[blazing knoll]

Agreed

[vestal sentinel]

It would give signal to the kids that Otto is back on the loose and he reloaded his weapon.

[vestal sentinel]

Agreed. They should make the character very aim based. Like Scout’s weapon for example

[blazing knoll]

Maybe not as much as scout

But slightly decrease the area damage

[vestal sentinel]

Yeah

[wanton shore]

yeah, more focused than the spread currently is, but not as much as scout

I think that'd be a good balance

because it is a rifle after all

[blazing knoll]

I like that change, and then the only other thing I'd do is make him do less damage the farther away he is from other players

[wanton shore]

that's what im sayin!! 🤝

[blazing knoll]

By the way

When it comes to the neighbor having a sonar and disguise as base

People may ask what more keyboards they could add for these abilities? Especially for already limited console controls

Why not just do it like in the alphas?

2 extra slots in your normal hotbar

Containing the mask and the sonar

[knotty pelican]

Honestly vsing Otto is not bad now, we had to get use of fighting him, there a part of instantly complaining or getting use of him.

Many lobby's today now is destroying Otto is milliseconds making him not have a chance.
With Otto now, it's more of a surprise attack

Because people actually got use if him, so knowing what to do against him

So with Otto, I'm all g

Until there's one person left

[ripe silo]

I think the best way to nerf the kids with the combat, is by adding in weight to the items.
So like, if a kid wants to grab a heavier item, it slows them down, but their attacks are strong, and whenever an item is small, their attacks are weak, but they are able to be at their normal speed, this is how I think it should work in that way.

Plus, the stunning should be way shorter for the neighbor, while the stunning should be longer for the kids

[blazing knoll]

Maybe

Not to much of a fan of this idea

[ripe silo]

There's nothing else that can really work

[blazing knoll]

I mean

I literally gave my own suggestion

[blazing knoll]

this

I don't like the idea of weighted items because I think your speed should be constant

Maybe if heavier items can't be thrown as far

But not giving you debuffs

[somber gull]

dang people really seem to agree with me here.

i put this up yesterday and we already have 24 upvotes.

[blazing knoll]

Get this higher than my feedback post about splitting off kids

Which has 70

They clearly didn't listen to that despite it being the highest upvoted feedback post there is

[zenith fern]

I remember when people actually played the game how it was originally intended

the combat side of SN just isnt fun

I miss the social deduction

[slow sonnet]

Almost everyone needs a balance change to make social deduction more prominent. And it should happen

[cedar escarp]

This is so peak feedback it should be stealthy game not a combat game

[errant ginkgo]

EVERY MATCH PEOPLE DONT EVEN LOOK FOR KEYS,ONLY FOR FIGHTING

[somber gull]

31 thumbs up and it hasn't been a full day of it being up.

[slow sonnet]

games usually run out of time bc of how combat simulator it is

[rigid forge]

I played a match and guys look, the taxidermist just instantly turned into neighbor and just shot all of us in 5 seconds and after that the neighbor won in 2 minutes

THE TAXIDERMIST NEEDS TO BE NERFED

every match is 2 minutes now

[knotty pelican]

Otto reload 1 shot per reload, instead of 2?

[rigid forge]

still annyoing

even if 1 reload per shot

[vestal sentinel]

And the keys are more hard to find now😭

They need to boost up the time limit fr💀

[blazing knoll]

Also mystery I don't really think mentioning the guest being against stealth is that relevant

Since there is a grace period from when he starts crackling and cawing to actually being able to see your footsteps

Players can hear the audio cue and start sneaking

[somber gull]

i thought he always could see even if sneaking

[blazing knoll]

He can't

Also

A cool detail

You can actually use his power against himself since it detects sound vibrations from items colliding

So if you throw your flashlight or an item away from you whil he uses his ability

He can detect that and go the other way

[true plover]

imagine they actually listened to this post

that would be amazing

think SN going back to stealth/horror is a lost cause though

[knotty pelican]

but we got to imagine

[cedar escarp]

I hope not

Because that’s when SN was peak

[true plover]

they added fortnite dances

we aint going back

[tulip pendant]

Im wondering who thought fornite dances were a good idea

[true plover]

you know me too man

[tulip pendant]

I hate how toxic players abuse dances

[true plover]

exactly

[blazing knoll]

?

[cedar escarp]

When it was stealth game

[blazing knoll]

Why don't you eat it to be good

[cedar escarp]

What

[blazing knoll]

Wait wait

[cedar escarp]

I want it to be more stealthy

[blazing knoll]

My bad

I read your message wrong

[cedar escarp]

Oh okay np

[somber gull]

The important part is that we try, we show them what we want and we keep upvoting this.

[blazing knoll]

I'm surprised they didn't see what we wanted in your original post

That was titled "stealth needs to return"

They added the things from that post but didn't take the main point of the feedback which was that we want the game to be more stealthier

Hopefully this post will be seen better as it specifies a lot

[somber gull]

Idk how they could miss the point of this one

[cedar escarp]

Huh

[somber gull]

unless they just remove combat.

/j

[cedar escarp]

What are you talking about

[somber gull]

my feedback

[cedar escarp]

They seen it?

[somber gull]

my older one i should say

[cedar escarp]

Oh

Okay

[somber gull]

they saw and added that one but they didn't do it properly

and in a way that hurt gameplay

[cedar escarp]

It’s sad that most people seems to not like the update at all

They need to fix it

[somber gull]

that's why this is here, to fix it

[wintry halo]

idk if some would like this, but i have an idea on how to rework rage to make it less combat based: instesd of 7 hits to get rage, how about a bar that increases the longer the game progresses? the bar would slowly go up by itself and would buff your hp, stamina, kick down doors faster, shorter stun time and maybe needing 2 hits instead of 1 to rescue a kid from the neighbors grab (not too sure about that, might be too op). the bar would get a bit of progression when kids hit him and when he dies it would increase a lot, and he would also get points from killing kids. he would not be able to get any points from hitting kids. this would discourage kids from trying to fight the neighbor even more. without getting hit, dying and killing a kid, scary would get rage late game (10 minutes?)

if you get rage it would be permanent

[opal ridge]

good luck on getting more likes!

[blazing knoll]

2 hits to save a kid would definitely be broken and it depends on how short the shorter stun time is

Like maybe it only shortens the 3 second stun from when a kid gets saved from you, but not shortening the default stun time since it isn't that long for him

And also if it was too short it would defeat the point of stunning him

[keen mulch]

I will add a very hot take to this convo

All sonars should be completely nerfed

[blazing knoll]

Yep. Definitely a hot take

[keen mulch]

The fact that the neighbor is currently unbeatable is one thing

But the fact that you cant even hide from him makes it even worse

[blazing knoll]

Are you talking about all neighbors or just Otto?

[keen mulch]

Tbh, with all the current neighbor abilities, all

You have no chance against a neighbor unless its a new player

[shadow valley]

bro...

[keen mulch]

I think a nice solution to the entire combat thingy would be to reduce neighbors health to maybe 4 hits?

[shadow valley]

bro is trolling

aint no way you think this is a good idea

[keen mulch]

No, think about this logically

[shadow valley]

logically, this is bad

[keen mulch]

If the neighbor is about to kill a single person without anyone nearby, the neighbor will win because of its abilities

[shadow valley]

what? he would win cause he captured the kid

[keen mulch]

If the neighbor tries to instantly transform near everyone, he has no chance, which is the point of the game because the neighbor is supposed to be secret

[shadow valley]

there are times where he doesn't need to use abilities to capture someone

[keen mulch]

Yea, which makes him more powerful, right?

[shadow valley]

No

[keen mulch]

How no

[shadow valley]

Because he just captures them

[keen mulch]

Why would it be a bad idea to have his health be 4 hits low?

Give me your thoughts

[shadow valley]

Kids can only throw 4 total items at the Neighbor before their stamina bar runs out, which prevents them from throwing any more items

That would literally be enough hits to kill the Neighbor

Not to mention, grouping up

[keen mulch]

A gun man vs 5 kids

Who wins lol

[shadow valley]

The Neighbor would be severely underpowered in those scenarios

[shadow valley]

Otto just needs a nerf to his gun

That's pretty much it

[keen mulch]

The neighbor is supposed to be secret

To not cause constant combat

[shadow valley]

No one plays stealth is this game

[keen mulch]

Which is the topic of this thread

[keen mulch]

Thats the entire issue mentioned in the post

Thats why I added a possible solution

[shadow valley]

I'm actually confused like what is your point

What point are you trying to prove

[keen mulch]

If the neighbor has lower health, he'll need to be more stealthy

He cannot expose himself to 3 people at once

[somber gull]

But then the kids could win easier.

[shadow valley]

The Neighbor needs to be a threat first of all

Let's make that clear

He's not very intimidating, unless you're Otto

[keen mulch]

Atm the kids/neighbor win ration is 2/8, so yea, thats kind of the point

The neighbor would have to be stealthy to win

If not, he'll constantly die

Making it a game about stealth again

[shadow valley]

But this isn't a good way at going about it

[somber gull]

Yeah.

[keen mulch]

Why not

[somber gull]

We want this to not be balanced on one side

[keen mulch]

Then add more health to the neighbor, but not as much as currently

Balance it

[shadow valley]

The Neighbor is a threat

What about a 4 hit neighbor sounds intimidating to you

[keen mulch]

then do 5

Doesnt have to be 4

[shadow valley]

The Kids needs to be weaker

[keen mulch]

As long as its more balanced

[somber gull]

Kids are 3 hit.

[keen mulch]

Weaker??

[shadow valley]

Yes, they're like, if you exclude Quentin, legit 14 year olds. Like they're not gonna be that strong

[keen mulch]

But we're talking about balance, not realisim...

[shadow valley]

Bro 💀

[somber gull]

[keen mulch]

in that case also prevent kids from throwing a box 100 meters away

[somber gull]

look, the idea is that stealth gets encouraged and outright conflict isn't. Lowering the health wont do any good.

thats why i suggested about the disguise ability and otto's sonar (MINUS kid detection) being avaliable to all

cause then neighbor can split up the kids

[keen mulch]

But lowering the health will in fact discourage conflict on the neighbor's side

[shadow valley]

If anything, the Neighbor sorta needs conflict

[somber gull]

have you considered it from the kid's side?

[keen mulch]

You won't be able to transform as soon as you're able to

[somber gull]

they'd hunt the neighbor down still due to him being weak

and what would be the point of transforming even

[shadow valley]

You're forgetting the fact that fights will still happen regardless

[somber gull]

they will

[shadow valley]

And in that case, the Neighbor is screwed

[keen mulch]

When you split the kids up and go 1 for 1

A sinlge kid wont be able to do anything against the neighbor

[somber gull]

but making the neighbor weak will not help,

[keen mulch]

But multiple will

How many hits does the neighbor currently take?

Like 10?

[somber gull]

i think? idk.

[shadow valley]

I think it's like 7-9

And it varies between classes

Ghost I think takes like 4

[somber gull]

i want to focus on reworking too because of the last time i mentioned balancing the team always seems to find a way to mess with it.

[shadow valley]

Butcher takes like 9 or 10

[somber gull]

like kids are too powerful? Just make a new op neighbor with a gun!

[shadow valley]

Otto has a good concept that, a Neighbor who makes kids flee instead of attempting to fight

[somber gull]

i dont want to just change health values, i want the team to rework things

[shadow valley]

We NEED that

[keen mulch]

Kids were really not powerful against the butcher

[shadow valley]

But not to point where it's hard to escape or just unfair

I want the Neighbor to make the kids run away instead of wanting to fight, and Otto is like the first real class that does that

[somber gull]

Scouts stopping captures, leaders blinding and reviving, braves just standing by the neighbor doors.

tahts' how the last update was

and this one i have ottos just going into neighbor form immendiately and shooting everyone to win

[keen mulch]

But rn the neighbor is encouraged to instantly transform and commit mass-murder. Thats my current issue

[somber gull]

there's no chance to win and baspro just shrugged off what we said by saying 'saucepans and leaders'

thats' why i made this thread cause we don't want it to go back to kid side, this game needs to go back to basics

[shadow valley]

yes, literally just added salt into an open wound dude

that really made me disappointed

that balancing is that bad to point where the DEVELOPERS say that

It's actually insane

[somber gull]

as a feedback provider and long time sn fan, i'm not happy.

so i['m glad to see...45 people agree with me here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtL3LieX1c4 dont mean to be offtopic or rude but this is my mood.

[keen mulch]

Can you read my dms btw

[errant ginkgo]

Im a big fan of hello neighbor,since it released,im not the type of person that says bad things about the hn franchise,but i have to say,secret neighbor state is horrible

[somber gull]

thats why we have this feedback

[wintry halo]

well, how would you make rage less combat based

without it sucking completly

[errant ginkgo]

BRO

[shadow valley]

ngl, i lowkey said that before actually reading the idea you made, mb

[errant ginkgo]

the most op neighbor rn is otto

[wintry halo]

i think it should lower the stun when grabbing a kid instead of the default stun, like afro said though

[wintry halo]

idk, 2 hits doesnt seem that op to me, especially with aim assist and scout

[blazing knoll]

I think whenever you stun a neighbor with a kid it should be guaranteed they will be saved

[wintry halo]

i mean yeah, it would only be exclusive to rage

[blazing knoll]

Rage already does this. Activate rage while you have a child and they can't be saved

[wintry halo]

with these additions to rage, kids try to fight less, but if they do keep fighting they will need to deal with a really powerful neighbor. they would also focus more on running and looking for keys to open the basement as quickly as possible to avoid him getting rage late game

[wintry halo]

only difference is they can be saved

its not 100 hits, its 2

[blazing knoll]

Ok I'm confused

So its like this all the time or its a side effect of rage?

[wintry halo]

ok, so you know that kids instantly get saved after you throw an item at the neighbor

[blazing knoll]

What if, if the scary neighbor is below half health if he is holding a kid that kid will take 2 saves before they are actually saved

[wintry halo]

you would need to hit him 2 times for the kid to be saved

[blazing knoll]

I don't think this change should be all the time

Like only when the neighbor is low on health to help him out if 2 kids are being annoying

[wintry halo]

not all the time, pretty much late game if you didnt get hit so much or die

[wintry halo]

wdym?

should i explain my rage rework again? i might have not explained it food, so its fine if you want me to

ill try to be more detailed

food

ohh now i get it

[shadow valley]

Okay so, this is the rage change that you came up with:

-Rage no longer needs hits to activate, instead it will become a bar that steadily increases over the duration of a match
-Getting killed by Explorers or getting damaged by them increases the bar, but dying increase the bar significantly
-When Rage becomes activated, the following effects happen: Increased HP, increased stamina, shorter stun duration,
less kicks needed to break down a door/faster door breakdowns, and it would take 2 hits to free a Explorer from
the Neighbor's grasp
-Rages becomes permanent once it's activated
-If the Explorers decide to not fight the Neighbor, or do not attempt to combat him in any way, Rage automatically activates after 10 minutes into the match

[wintry halo]

thank you😭

if i ever make a suggestion about this, mind if i copy this? i will also credit you

[shadow valley]

No problem, as long as you credit me, it's fine!

[blazing knoll]

10 minutes until it deactivates is long

Maybe 3 or 4?

[wintry halo]

deactivates?

it WILL activate 10 minutes into the match if you didnt die, kill a kid or took any damage

once you have it, you always have it

[blazing knoll]

Oh

[blazing knoll]

I read that wrong lol

I thought it said deactivate

Meaning its on most of the game and then off when there's like 3 minutes left

[wintry halo]

no problem, i read qrong 90% of the time

[rigid forge]

yes

[blazing knoll]

The part that says "minus the ability to see players" Would change it to "without the ability to see players on it"

My brain is thinking of all possible ways they could read this wrong or there could be a translation error

Also I don't think needing to include guest is necessary, as kids that use stealth will not be detected by the guest sense

(Wait I already said that the other day)

[somber gull]

50 likes.

[wintry halo]

good, very good

[somber gull]

i was expecting more people to say that they want the combat to stay

[wintry halo]

combat is boring

stealth is more intense and cool

[dark quarry]

Combat is not that bad but we lack of stealth

[drifting goblet]

Well if they turn it back into a stealth game which I hope, they might as well get rid of the circus map. Its near impossible to be stealthy on that map.

[dark quarry]

Nah circus map good 🗣️

[drifting goblet]

its cool but its way too easy for the neighbor

especially otto

it also encourages fighting the neighbor

the circus would be fine if there was no keycard doors

[dark quarry]

Otto has easy on every map to be honest xd
Like ye map 5 isn't Very stealthy on start but it can be in Kay card 2 and 3 section rlly

[drifting goblet]

yeah thats my problem, the neighbor is basically forced to transform at the start otherwise the kids get to completly check the 1 key room

[somber gull]

it just needs a rework, map 5 doesnt need to be removed but MASSIVELY reworked

its far too linear

too many skips

[drifting goblet]

In my opinion, map 3 also has a issue but its not as bad as the issue map 5 has.

[somber gull]

map 3's major issue is the one level 0 to level 3 skip

[wintry halo]

map 5 sucks

[knotty pelican]

Map-5 is cool for being that style, but not cool for gameplay since there's many flaws

[supple summit]

Not a big fan of the kids being slower than the neighbor i was playing brave and i used counter just to get grabbed again its rlly bad u also can barely notice the difference when brave walks and runs

I say the have it at a even amount of combat and stealth

Not completly erase one

Combat in this game in the new update is gone for the kids

I cant go solo anymore when everyone dies due to the stamina and being mad slow

If the stamina was up a little to like 4 or 5 and the speed brought back to normal then yea

[blazing knoll]

Kids being slower than the neighbor?

[ancient belfry]

the kids speed is so sluggish i hate it

they slowed the kids down in an update that contains a character that can deal heavy damage and slow you down even more

so balanced

[blazing knoll]

Did they slow them down?

I didn't notice

I honestly like the change anyway since rounds are too fast

As long as they slow down the neighbor's as well

[drifting goblet]

I don't think rounds are slow. I've had times where every keycard door had been opened and not a single key was found before everyone went missing.

[supple summit]

Rounds arent fast least on console and this update only makes it fast for the neighbors

[drifting goblet]

yeah

[dark quarry]

leader is so slow now like bro they made her a 🐢

[supple summit]

This slow on kids is so bad

The orginal speed was better

I mean how are u supposed to use counter stike if ur too slow to run away after u used

And i have max speed upgrade

[blazing knoll]

The neighbor is stunned longer when a kid escapes

You should have at least 3 seconds to get away plus the 1 second speed boost you get

Unless I'm mistaken

[supple summit]

The speed boost isnt even a speed boost

I have a clip on yt but im having a hard time finding it

I used counter and got grab almost instantly

[blazing knoll]

Must have been a 1 off, because it is impossible to instantly be re grabbed

The game is coded that neighbors have a long stun when a kid escapes

Might have been a bug or his stun was canceled

[supple summit]

He had a long stun but my character was to slow to even run so u got regrabbed

[blazing knoll]

it seems like that had to be a bug. the kids are not that slow all the time

was there glu maybe?

[supple summit]

No glue at all

Me and my friends actualky tested rheir speed compaired to neighbor and all of them are slower than him

And its every single neighbor invluding butcher

The only ones not slower ate leader and scout

Cause leader can yell run and scout is the fasted kid and quintin cause of stamina and dash

Everyone else is bagger speed

[wintry halo]

he doesnt get stunned for 3 seconds anymore

[blazing knoll]

Oh (well thats a good thing)

[wintry halo]

this never happened to me, at all

i tested it out with my friend too

[supple summit]

Weird

[blazing knoll]

Yeah must have been lag

Or a bug

[lone quail]

sn lag are soo terrible

me taking an item and the hand position aren't synced

i have to change inventory for it to sync with the item

[supple summit]

FR

They need to fix laggy issues

[drifting goblet]

sounds like a you problem.

[supple summit]

Its nit

Not

All my friends have the same problem

[somber gull]

a lot of people have reported the game is running worse this update

myself included

[supple summit]

It is

[somber gull]

loading times take forever and there's more lag spikes

other games run perfectly fine

[supple summit]

Kids speed wasnt changed but this update looks like it due to lag

[drifting goblet]

sounds like a friend group problem.

[supple summit]

People outside the friend group have been having lag issues too

I had set v-sync to half refresh for it not to lag

And i played diffrent games and they all work so much better than this

And the have cross play with almost all platforms

[drifting goblet]

what platform do you play on?

[supple summit]

Ps4

My some of my friends on switch

Some xbox

Even pc

They all experince lag issues

[drifting goblet]

what kind of lag?

[somber gull]

If you're experiencing lag on different consoles then it's just a obvious sign this update needs patching

[supple summit]

Game freezes,crashes,getting grabbed outta no where, getting hit when u arent even standing there

Even before this update

[drifting goblet]

i think i can relate.

[supple summit]

Summer camp

The game wasnt as bad untill summer canp

It got so laggy

Like i remeber getting delayed brave counter strike charges

Not to mention in the christmas update the inventor putting on night vision goggles completley broke the fps

And ghost used to drop fps in the guest update

[supple summit]

I feel like tbe game should atleast keep some combat elemnts so the kids could run away

[drifting goblet]

so something like this?

[supple summit]

Gotta restart my discord

[drifting goblet]

okay?

[supple summit]

Yea but much worse

I would already be down the stairs while the neighbor is in the room and i would get grabbed

Its similiar to the old glitch when everyone would freeze in place

[supple summit]

Have u also ever frooze in mid air then took a ton if fall damage

[drifting goblet]

no, but ive died from being in a closet.

[supple summit]

There is a new lag bug whereu charater freezes in place when jumping on certaint objects and then u take alot of fall damage

And its always in the same spot

[drifting goblet]

and my friend almost died from doing nothing

[supple summit]

Have u seen black scout

[drifting goblet]

which black

[supple summit]

A certain hat has bugged lighting for scout

[blazing knoll]

I thought it was just my PC being somewhat lower end than most proffessional/gaiming PCs, but no I guess its just bad optimization on the game's side

[drifting goblet]

no, i mean, race or color

[supple summit]

So when u go in the dark he face is completly black

[supple summit]

Wh

Not what i meant

[drifting goblet]

so what did you mean?

[somber gull]

HN2 runs better than SN

Cyberpunk when I play it runs better than SN. I know they're not multiplayer games but its' to show its' not my pc

[blazing knoll]

yeah! I played the HN2 update on pretty decent fps (I think 50 fps) without a problem

[supple summit]

This is true when i play fortnite my game is way better but then when im on sn my fps is all iver the place and im constantly freezing

[blazing knoll]

they optimized the game a lot in the summer update

and then unoptimized it worse to how it was be4 summer update

[supple summit]

Yea only problem was getting hit when not standing there

[supple summit]

I want to quit with how bad it is now

[blazing knoll]

summer update had a few problems but for the most part not bad at all

[somber gull]

i suggest just taking a break, like i am.

this update has made SN not enjoyable

[drifting goblet]

which part of it?

[supple summit]

Yea

[supple summit]

For me i feel like i could never catch a break and the nwighbors always behind me 24/7 making it impossible to find keys

[drifting goblet]

thats exactly what i would say.

[supple summit]

Thats why i feel like the kids speed got debuffed or something

And when my friends tested the neighbor was noticebly faster

Except for clown and butcher

[drifting goblet]

I just feel like the neighbors always behind me cause they never use anything other than guest, ghost, and the taxidermist.

[supple summit]

I have videos of the lag issues going on my yt when it posts i will crop it and send it here

[supple summit]

Ur underrestamating rage neighbor

[drifting goblet]

yeah, but nobody uses him

[supple summit]

I do

[drifting goblet]

great, thats one person.

[supple summit]

Example

Of lag issues

I was behind him and he went foward

[vestal sentinel]

You play on PC, while the person complaining about the issue plays on PlayStation (which is the platform that has the “laggy” problem), it doesn’t apply to you lol

[left vessel]

The thing that makes Otto OP is the damage of the gun, reload, the slow down when he shoots you, he shoots you 2 times and you lose all of your health and then die, You cant even run because he has infinite ammo and slows you down with his gun, and lastly he can one shot you. Honestly I used to like old concept where you could close the gates with the neighbor and trick kids, and yes maybe it should be nerfed but the game was supposed to be about stealth, strategy, and not combat. I recently got the game and it's already unfun and ruined.

[vestal sentinel]

Make that two

[somber gull]

I use him

he's my highest leveled

[vestal sentinel]

Butcher is my highest neighbor level

[left vessel]

I use Guest but I don't use the ability that reveals where the kids are because that is straight up unfair

[vestal sentinel]

He’s such a good neighbor class. You can literally use the grappler hook through freaking small peak holes, which is honestly broken, but I can take it lol.

[vestal sentinel]

Red sonar button:

The Guest barely even reveals where the kids are, just only their sound, and the kids can use that against you, which makes the croak sense ability fair for both the kid and the neighbor.

[left vessel]

This game is suffering the same fate as Hello Neighbor it was supposed to be about a certain topic but then changed to a completly different topic, same for Secret Neighbor.

[supple summit]

Its been like this since i first played which was when ghost would drop the frames

[supple summit]

My neighbor is near that level

40 something

All my other neighbors are like lvl 30

Except otto

He is unfair

[drifting goblet]

Correction, I play on Xbox.

[supple summit]

The servers are seperate

[vestal sentinel]

Then why is your role PC? Lol

[drifting goblet]

I occasionally played on PC, but now I can't even play the game, it crashes when I join a match.

[wintry halo]

i feel like scary isnt as powerful since this update

kids dont try killing you as often now, making rage not very useful

[blazing knoll]

If I could go back to the very beginning I would remove rage

Rage never existed

Instead scary neighbor would have a new ability

[wintry halo]

maybe have rage for every neighbor class?

im talking about the rage i suggested

not the current

if they would give scary a new ability it should be the cameras i think

[blazing knoll]

Oh your suggestion

Yeah probably

[white furnace]

Damn, I didn't know you were like that.

[left vessel]

I think thats a good idea

[supple summit]

In my opinon cameras wont really fit i feel like quentin should have cameras as it would make more sense and tge scary instead of rage he could has something more intimdating

[supple summit]

Theres already a sonar

[wintry halo]

both of them could have cameras, just different

[wintry halo]

but you dont have access to it most of the time

[knotty pelican]

61

[somber gull]

why do my feedbacks get a lot of attention-

[vestal sentinel]

Cuz it’s a really good feedback

And it could actually have positive impact on the game

[knotty pelican]

cuz you actually know what your doing

[tulip pendant]

[wintry halo]

we gotta get it to 100 atleast

[blazing knoll]

At least 78

(Like my feedback that they added but only for otto)

[wintry halo]

this actually makes me mad

it genuienly feels like they dont care about feedback

[craggy slate]

I waiting old sn

and good Old TinyBuilds

[dense pier]

when I wrote the very same down, I got bullied :'))))
but it was shorter and less...accountable?

thing is, Neighbor usually has no chance in combats overall despite it is supposed to be his house, that's why I added my suggestion about Neighbor improvement. also, they entirely ruined Butcher since they cut his hook rope length, I absolutely love him, but I can't use him for anything now.

[somber gull]

i figured if i added more details and how to fix it i could get more people agreeing, especially after this update

[supple summit]

I used to love butcher and playing what me and my friends call a neighbor fight its when u gather alot of items in 20 secs then fight in the main room for as long as u can

It was so much fun till they nerfed him and neighbor fights were a fun thing to do when bored of normal rounds

[blazing knoll]

Butcher used to be really fun but they simple nerfed him too mich

much*

The only nerf I agree with is the hook taking stamina when thrown

It makes a little bit of sense and makes him not too too powerful

I wish they hadn't nerfed the hook length and buffed the sauce pans though

[ripe silo]

The sauce pans are already buffed in the game, if you didn't know

It takes 2 hits to remove ones sauce pan, and 3 hits if you use a slingshot

[blazing knoll]

I'm fine with the slingshot change

But 2 hits to remove the saucepan with normal items?

[shadow valley]

yeah, they buffed the sauce pan in one of the past hotfixes and in the update itself. It can now take multiple hits to remove saucepans.

[blazing knoll]

We did not need this buff

Sauce pans carry the game now

[wintry halo]

butcher

[white furnace]

And otto

[dapper cloak]

agree x10

[vestal sentinel]

That’s honestly no problem for Otto since he can take the saucepans off with a single gun fire depending on range.

[white furnace]

nah the saunce pan dont help so much

[vestal sentinel]

That’s the point of my message

[remote bay]

I know the new update is cool, but i want to play secret neighbor! Not Secret Neighbor 2

I haven't played secret neighbor in about a week because of the update

[knotty pelican]

This update put me off quite a bit

[white furnace]

Guys, something very strange happened yesterday!

The vision was glitchy, the characters lost their heads and the camera simply stopped following the character

I have a video

[remote bay]

can we see the video

[remote bay]

please

[white furnace]

Wait I'm not home yet

Spoiler unfortunately hears a hacker attack on the Xbox platform😔

But it's something completely crazy something I've never seen before

[remote bay]

what happened

[white furnace]

This and Other things

[remote bay]

wow

[supple summit]

It's not its a glitch with missing code that' rarely happens

[white furnace]

No idk

[crisp oriole]

This is really true, when the game launched, it required teamwork to win. But now, every lobby is just me and if I am lucky, someone else helping get keys while the rest are fighting the Neighbor throughout the game.

[white furnace]

Idk I'll show the video later because this "bug" didn't happen to my neighbor and when I pause the game it automatically continues

[white furnace]

Weird vídeo here open the link https://www.xbox.com/play/media/Q3Bea5zYw6

WARNING! TURN DOWN THE VOLUME AT THE END

[somber gull]

Reminder to keep it on topic for the feedback

I don't want this to get locked.

[white furnace]

Ops sorry imbir

[ripe silo]

Hey Imbir, wouldn't it be cool to have a match hub, where while you are waiting for a match, you can explore, just like street fighter 6 does with their match hub. I think it adds in more of the social deduction as well.

[somber gull]

It would be interesting, perhaps you could discover things.

Also 70 likes.

[knotty pelican]

[blazing knoll]

👏

[wintry halo]

roblox sn pretty much does this

you can actually explore

before entering a game

they should add that to base sn but when waiting for players

[ripe silo]

True

[blazing knoll]

9 more and you'll be the top feedback post ever

[dapper cloak]

now 7 more

[drifting goblet]

eh mazing

[blazing knoll]

Hey mystery, in your post can you add that neighbors can also use the portal radar in kid form?

Hey mystery, in your post can you add that neighbors can also use the portal radar in kid form?