Nerf Otto

[queen star]

Nerf otto because it's so hard to win a game with a player using it.

[hallow hinge]

Just did a game. The neighbour was Otto while everyone was Quentin, Otto just spammed rifle. I don't know if it's because I have skill issues with keyboard, but this spamming is hard to play against.

[brazen dome]

AGREED,HE'S SO OP

[tall knot]

I agree he can spam until he knocks someone and he can down 2 or 3 people easily

[queen star]

Yep, I

ITS SO

[lost marlin]

He is op

I play on ps

Me and my friends literally die all the ti.e now

Before we never used to die

Now we get shotgun spammed to death

[queen star]

for example, he would have slower reloading to 2.5 seconds

and shootting cooldown, would be 2 seconds.

[sturdy cloud]

dude just dont fight the guy with a shotgun hide or something

[lost marlin]

Some ppl like fighting and not being a coward

[sturdy cloud]

yeah but, he has a shotgun.

[lost marlin]

And?

We supposed to hide 24/7 just bc the beighbor is a otto

[sturdy cloud]

hide if he's coming

or just run

[lost marlin]

No

I dont like being forced to play a certain way

[hallow hinge]

He has a radar. How do you want to flee when he knows where you go?

[sturdy cloud]

He can only use it every 10 seconds, giving you enough time to hide in a closet

[lyric ivy]

you do realize he will inevitably start checking closets

you will have to get out

and as soon as you do

he will instantly know where you are

[sturdy cloud]

then just stick with your teammates just keep hitting him with boxes

[lyric ivy]

you CANT

he stunlocks you

[sturdy cloud]

he has to reload

[lyric ivy]

he has no cooldown

[sturdy cloud]

it mostly works for me

reloading is the cooldown

just hit him while he reloads

then youll be fine

even if he knocks you, as long as one player is up you'll live

[queen star]

btw reloading broke for me and i had infinite stamina

No one could hit me eve

but i couldnt use a shotgun

[sturdy cloud]

yeah in that case you're dead, but i havent really seen that so far

[verbal haven]

I would rather have him nerfed! He should have fewer bullets in his weapon and should need to get more ammo in a bag, in his secret room, just like the one kid that needs to refill his nuts (3 bullets in weapon (longer reload speed) + 6 bullets extra to reload)

[gritty jay]

You gotta be more specific than that

[lost marlin]

He can stunlock and makes brave a useless charater not only that when u hit him while he reloads it still reloads the shotgun not to mention the stamina wen throwing items i throw 3 items and im out of stamina it feels like people are forced to use leader or scout just to survive

[gritty jay]

Only change I would give to Otto is removing stun from long-distance shots, I think he’s fine aside from that

You’re not meant to confront him

[rotund quarry]

fighting isnt how youre supposed to play the game though

[lost marlin]

..... its how i play tho

[rotund quarry]

then dont complain why you think its unfair when youre playing it wrong

youre not supposed to beat up the neighbor

youre supposed to run away

use stealth to your advantage

if not

you will get killed quickly

[lost marlin]

Then why can u deplete is hp just make him have infinite health

And able to get stunned

[rotund quarry]

so you have more time to run when hes chasing you ?

[lost marlin]

Thats what stunning is for

[rotund quarry]

yes, so whats the matter

[lost marlin]

U said ur not supposed to fight the neighbor

[rotund quarry]

if he wouldnt take damage he could just jump off the map without caring for fall damage

[rotund quarry]

yes, and

[lost marlin]

Then WHY does he have hp

[rotund quarry]

i just told you

[lost marlin]

More time to run isnt rlly valid

[rotund quarry]

you can stun him to have more time to run away, not to stunlock and obliterate him

[rotund quarry]

what

[lost marlin]

I dont stunlock tho

And thats not what i mean by fighting

[rotund quarry]

yes, but some do

[rotund quarry]

well, what do you mean then

tell me

[lost marlin]

Fight as in like holding him off till the others get the keys

As long as i can till he gets me

[rotund quarry]

youre not supposed to distract him by spam killing him

[lost marlin]

Running behind walls juking etc.

[rotund quarry]

thats what youre supposed to do when he chases you

[lost marlin]

I dont .ean spam killing when did i say spam killing

[rotund quarry]

not fight

[rotund quarry]

well, if you fight him of course he will die eventually

and you said you do it till you die

[lost marlin]

Well when me and my friwnds play they never die as neighbor so i just hit them and hold them off by stuning

Not stunlock tho

They can still hit me with boxes

Also i dont use scout bc scout is op

I use brave

And they made her balance in summer camp

But now she is useless

[rotund quarry]

youre not supposed to fight him though

like, youre not supposed to try killing him unless youre in a group

[lost marlin]

Then whats the loint in playing of ur just supposed to run away all the time

Thats boring

[rotund quarry]

this was the point of the game for the whole time

[lost marlin]

People arent gonna want to play that

[rotund quarry]

if you dont like it, dont play it, simple

[lost marlin]

Thats how u lose players tho

I have a lot of friends who quit after this update

And more who are sayong they are gonna quit

[rotund quarry]

apparently people do, because there were many suggestion to make the game less combat based

[lost marlin]

Even ppl i dont onow

Yeah and thats for pc players

But not console

[rotund quarry]

what?

theres good pc and console players

[lost marlin]

On console so many ppl quit because they game became not combat based

[lost marlin]

Never siad there wasnt

[rotund quarry]

it was for console, since new neighbors tend to get obliterated in fight the most, so now they actually have a chance

[rotund quarry]

sure sounded like it

what were you trying to say with that ?

[lost marlin]

Im saying pc players wanted it less combat based

[rotund quarry]

youre not the only console player man

[lost marlin]

Everyone that plays with i ask them do u like fighting the neighbor or running

[lost marlin]

Never said i was

The say fight8ng

[rotund quarry]

so why do you speak for everyone saying that people dont want it less combat based

[gritty jay]

…don’t worry! Otto balance changes drop January 7th, listen!

[lost marlin]

Im talking about most people on console cquse thats what they told me

[rotund quarry]

i have a whole sn groupchat on xbox telling me they think its better stealth based

my bad

[lost marlin]

💀i did the same thing

[rotund quarry]

its also way more fun and intense than just always fighting the neighbor

chases are really intense and cool now

[lost marlin]

Its fun and intense when u fight then run

But now u cant fight at all

[rotund quarry]

you have to throw your items wisely to avoid losing too much stamina and slowing down

[rotund quarry]

do you think its fun for the neighbor to get obliterated by groups?

[lost marlin]

Bc otto just stunlocks u witha shotgun and on top of that u can only throw 3 items

[rotund quarry]

otto needs a nerf, i agree, but that is it

[lost marlin]

No i literally said in like another feedback post for keeps to keep stamina but make it a little longer

Just a little

Cause i throw 3 items and i already cant throw anything

While the neighbor can just yeet a full load of boxes at me

Its like they swapped which side is op

[rotund quarry]

dodge them

thats all i have to say

[lost marlin]

How when i take damage when im not standing therw

I even have a video

[rotund quarry]

making the stamina more would make kids try fighting him again

[lost marlin]

Yes but the fighting would still be limited

Cause u can still run out

Kids have so many things to worry about now

[rotund quarry]

im having no problems with that

[lost marlin]

Baretraps otto shotgun stunlocks wondering if otto sees u or not

[rotund quarry]

the whole point of the gameplay was that the kids have a good chance against the neighbor when theyre in a group, but can have a hard time when solo

[lost marlin]

Unable to throw items if u run out of stamina

[rotund quarry]

you were never supposed to fight him

[queen star]

like it as much as u can

[rotund quarry]

neither as a distraction

[queen star]

so devs can see it

[lost marlin]

Yeah but the entire group gets knocked down but one single shotgun or caught in a trap then shot but the ahotgun

U cant run from otto

[queen star]

Yeah, his turning-into-doll thing is very quick

and he runs super fast

[rotund quarry]

the whole group wont get knocked when they dont try fighting him and run away

[lost marlin]

Not only that teamers are op now

[rotund quarry]

why do you think they made it so that the bullets deal less damage when youre far away?

[lost marlin]

I got hut by box from a quintin and then shot by ottos shotgun

[lost marlin]

They dont

[rotund quarry]

not the games fault though

[rotund quarry]

they did??

[lost marlin]

Well not on ps4

I even got shot threw a wall

[rotund quarry]

youre like, 2 hits when close but like 7 when far away

[lost marlin]

AND ENTIRE WALL

For me it was 4 hits wuen away

[rotund quarry]

of course they specifically made it like that on ps

[lost marlin]

Not saying they did

[rotund quarry]

you just did???

ypu said not on ps4

[lost marlin]

Im saying theres diffrent.bugs on diffrent platforms

And ottos shotgun is one of them

[rotund quarry]

right....

[lost marlin]

Plus the update seemed kinda rushef

D

I mean quintin dosent even have his own animatinons

[rotund quarry]

even if it is bugged (it isnt), it just needs a simple fix

[rotund quarry]

gameplay wise its fine

and the graphics too (most of the time)

but everything else is rough

[lost marlin]

Exactly what i mean

[rotund quarry]

to the point where im questioning if they even playtested this shit

[lost marlin]

Plus there is still bugs

[rotund quarry]

there were always bugs

[lost marlin]

U can still fly with a saucepan

[rotund quarry]

yes those are still bugs that should be fixed asap, but now im talking about the gameplay

[lost marlin]

U can still get caught by the neighbor in a closet.and.if it gets closed ur stuck in his grip

This glitches have been in the game sunce three whole updates

[rotund quarry]

i know

[lost marlin]

Maybe they should have a bug fix update instead of adding new stuff

[rotund quarry]

im all for a bug fixing and balancing update

they just add new classes instead of going to the old ones and changing these

[lost marlin]

Also i think braves old counter stike would be balanced now due to the stamina when throwing

But

The stamina needs to be upped a littlle

Its too low

[rotund quarry]

kinda boring

i like her more now

[lost marlin]

Running away 24/7 is boring

[rotund quarry]

i think they should make it so that classes that have more trouble running away from the neighbor like detective have more stamina when throwing items and classes that hsve lesd trouble like leader get less stamina for throwing

[rotund quarry]

then play a different game

[south cloud]

I understand what you're saying but some people will not agree running from him doesn't make sense it's basically like saying i Am not going down without a fight and without fighting how would the brave really work out because she is supposed to fight the neighbor because she isn't afraid of him anyway so it doesn't make sense not trying to fight him.

[lost marlin]

U said braves old counter strikee was boring if they ever add it back how about YOU play a diffrent game

[lost marlin]

Facts

The braves class would have no point

[rotund quarry]

im not going without a fight? bro, youre literally playing as 10 year old kids, of course they aint gonna fight an adult male. also, brave is named brave because shes the only class that can free herself from the neighbors grab.

[lost marlin]

Thats not what makes u brave tho

[rotund quarry]

no, it was boring because it was combat based.

[rotund quarry]

why not lol.

[lost marlin]

And im saying its boring cause its literal coward based

[lost marlin]

So someone is brave just because they can break out of someones grip?

[rotund quarry]

you expect a 10 year old kiddo to overpower an adult male?

[south cloud]

But still though it's a game mechanic... Fighting increases chances of survival have u not played horror games before that much.

[rotund quarry]

how does it make you brave by fighting the neighbor

[lost marlin]

She isnt ten anymore the animated series hello?

[lost marlin]

Because ur not scared and running because ur gonna get kidnapped

Ur brave enough to fight him head on

[rotund quarry]

fighting increased your chance back then, now its running away and playing stealthy like it was always meant to be. also, not every horror game is the same, and in horror games like dbd or friday the 13th you also dont fight the killer and instead run away

[rotund quarry]

ok, i could fight him head on ad detective, or leader, or inventor, or literally any kid class

[lost marlin]

Bruh ever heard of a flashlight and a pallet in dbd

Those in a way are fighti g mechanics

[rotund quarry]

yes, these are like throwing items at the neighbor while running away to have more time to hide or gain distance

[lost marlin]

U blind the killer in dbd it hurts their eyes so u cant see

[rotund quarry]

^^^

[lost marlin]

Its still fighting

U said u like secret neighbor to be a fighting based game

[rotund quarry]

so if i blind the neighbor as leader am i fighting him? you see how that doesnt make sense

[rotund quarry]

when

[lost marlin]

Thats diffrent

[south cloud]

But yet still though it's a game mechanic some people will want to fight the killer regardless of anything that happens the game is all about teamwork and the kids come together to take down the neighbor and recuse their friend out of his basement.

[lost marlin]

Cause in dbd a flashlight can stun the killer if they are holfing someone

[rotund quarry]

you use a flashlight to blind the killer in dbd, you use you ability to blind the neighbor in sn

[lost marlin]

Not to run away it always fear him

[lost marlin]

A flashlight in dbd is way diffrent then a ABILITY in sn

[south cloud]

As long as the kids stay together that increases their chances of survival.

[rotund quarry]

yes, youre not supposed tp stay im a group tp obliterate the neighbor, youre supposed to stay in a group to save your teammates when they get grabbed for example

[lost marlin]

Even tho the almost do the same thing that dosent mean they are the same

[rotund quarry]

so is spamming the neighbor with boxes and killing him

[lost marlin]

But thats not what we are saying

[south cloud]

But yet some people don't do that and let u die...

[rotund quarry]

because its a very social game

[lost marlin]

We are saying we cant even do that anymore because the stamina limit is too small

We didnt say to gwt rid of we said to fix.it

3 items and i cant throw?

Would if i throw too early or miss

[rotund quarry]

i know, but im saying that sn wasnt meant to be a game where you break into your neighbors house to beat him up, its was supposed to be stealthy and all about running away from him.

[lost marlin]

Thats 2 shots i have

[lost marlin]

Technically in a way it is i meant scout literally has a slingshot

[rotund quarry]

the neighbor never had a chance even against one kid, and now yall are complaining because he now does?

[rotund quarry]

scouts slingshot was never meant to be used as a fighting tool

[lost marlin]

We are complain because the kids dont have a chance also

[rotund quarry]

it was supposed to be used as a getaway option

why do you think evasive manuvers exist?

to run awas using your slingshot

[lost marlin]

Ur syaing everything was supposed to use as a getaway but yave u even read scouts bio

Shes supposed to distract the neighbor how is she supposed to do that if she is running away?

[rotund quarry]

not distract him by killing him the whole time

distract him by making him chase you

instead of the others

[lost marlin]

I NEVER SAID KILL HIM THE WHOLE TIME

[rotund quarry]

dude, do you even get what i mean?

most players do that

why do you think so many people complain about scout being so op because she was able to kill the neighbor solo by stunlocking him

[lost marlin]

Thats why i want a cooldown added but

[rotund quarry]

like the guy from earlier said, this is a horror game, but wheres the horror in beating up the neighbor endlessly?

[lost marlin]

When the neighbor is so strong to the point u cant even attack is rlly worth playing

[rotund quarry]

its scarier now because the chases with the neighbor are more intense

[lost marlin]

Are u brain dead? Are u even listening ti what im saying

[lost marlin]

Yes its supposed to be intense not.impossible

[rotund quarry]

cool, another guy throwing insults around for no reason

[rotund quarry]

its not even impossible lmao, its just harder now because you cant just group up to beat him up

[lost marlin]

I have a reason and its called being fair not making one side more op than the other

[lost marlin]

Yeah with other neighbors it sint but with otto it is

[rotund quarry]

so you think it was fair before when the neighbor would get obliterated by scouts and leaders

[lost marlin]

Im saying that neither is.

[rotund quarry]

so why do you want it to be combat based again lol

[lost marlin]

Now its like the roles was swapped instead of balancing kids they decide to make neighbors op

[rotund quarry]

like i said, i agree that otto is a bit op, but that is it

[lost marlin]

Because u can fight to get away im dine arguing with u over a game

[rotund quarry]

fighting to get away? that doesnt even make sense lol

why not just run away completly

instead of fighting him

also, youre saying like its dumb arguing over a game when you literally threw a random insult at me for no reason

cheers mate

[lost marlin]

I threw a insult because ur not listen to me it sounds like since the kids are starting not to be op u want the neighbors to be op instead

[rotund quarry]

i dont want anybody to be op, i just told you that sn isnt supposed to be a combat based game

[lost marlin]

That makes neighbors op

[rotund quarry]

that makes kids op

its not like its impossible to win as a kid now

its just more challenging, which i like

otto though

[lost marlin]

How does not being able to fight the neighbor make the kids op

[rotund quarry]

he can f himself

[rotund quarry]

because they were able to obliterate him before and spam kill him

if there were multiple scouts and leaders, good luck getting a kill

[lost marlin]

I still killed everone when thtat happeneds sounds like a skill issue

[rotund quarry]

says the one who makes it sound like its impossible to win now with the kid nerfs

before if you didnt use scary youre screwed

[lost marlin]

Im saying that its impossible because the staminas too short and otto is op

[rotund quarry]

sounds like a skill issue

[lost marlin]

I have anf entire group of ppl mad screaming at me because of the kids being too weak and being forced to use scout and leader

[lost marlin]

Haha so funny

Do u enjoy making ppl mad?

[rotund quarry]

if you get mad over sn, idk what to say