Nerfs & buffs for Kids & Neighbors

[quaint rain]

Leader can be way to strong if shes with 2 or more kids making it incredibly hard for the Neighbor to deal with.

If she's not in chase with the Neighbor she cannot blind the Neighbor
When using her ability she CANNOT heal herself
She can no longer revive players off the ground with her ability
The perk to extend the blind should be removed
Blinds last 1 second less

Detective can end the game under 2 mins

The less keys needed the harder the picture describes the area the key is in
Example
If 6-4 keys are needed the picture is normal (Like how it is now)
If 3 keys are needed it gets a little harder
1-2 keys left and the picture is really hard
Add a cool down whenever he finds a key or pulls up a photo
(Finding a key would be 10 seconds)
(Pulling up the photo would be 4 seconds)
Cannot put away photo for at least 1/2 seconds to prevent misclicks
When pulling up the photo for the first time it'l make the click clack noise but when pulled up again and its the SAME key it will not make the sound

Scout can easily 1v1 and KILL the Neighbor and is incredibly annoying against.
She is also VERY powerful when with other kids (specially with a LEADER)

She can only hold 7 nuts (the perk can increase that to 9)
Spamming nuts will have less speed & range and CANNOT stun the Neighbor (He's a grown man i think he can ignore some slow nuts...)
When successfully hitting someone with the Nuts she gets a small cool down like 2.5 seconds (To prevent stun locking)
When missing a Nut she will not loose any progression on her speed boost
It will take 2 fully charged nuts to remove sauce pans
When she has 3 nuts left icons will appear showing where she can refill-
-If shes got the Perk it will appear at 4-5
If the Neighbor is at half health her Nuts will deal NO damage

Ghost can be VERY strong but at the same time Stupidly weak

Lessen the "light range" so Ghost can appear a little bit closer
Add a 1.5 second grace period where Ghost CANNOT take damage when coming out of ghost form (still can get stunned)
Ghost cannot grab kids for 1.5 seconds when coming out of Ghost form (still can grab items)
If a Light is turned off during his polterlight ability it says off until it is finished
increase his Frost range thing to give kids a bigger warning

Clown and butcher can easily get beaten the crap out of when teamed up on so whenever they reach half health they're base speed is increase by a bit (until they recover more then half HP) and they get half of their current stamina back and both get 1 second stun grace period each time they're hit to help them escape
Scary Neighbor IMO is ok where he stands now Guest can somewhat jump away (Remove the shift + jump = powerful jump, its really annoying whenever your trying to FIGHT)

Thats all i can think of for now! if you have any other ideas on how to balance please type it!
(If you complain about something, be REASONABLE dont be like WAHHA MY MAIN IS DEAD WHAHAHAH)
Looking at you, scout mains...

[vivid crater]

Scary neighbour is in a really weird spot rn. Rage doesnt give enough health back to keep ok fighting so poeple use it to secure kills by activaging rage while holding somebody. In some matches that doesnt happen at all because of bad luck and thats kinda a red flag. Rage should give back more rage but should make it so that killing a kid is a bit slower while having it active.

[crimson tulip]

2 things

1. i had an idea for butcher back then where he could charge up his hook and there would be a bar like guest's leap: if you hold lb (or whatever button the other platform use to hook) you can charge up your hook and aim with it before you throw it. the longer you charge the farther the hook will go, but it will also take a bit more stamina (if you just press the button to throw the hook he won't aim with it and charge and will throw it out instantly). a fully charged hook can also hook kids with nomal helmets, but for flashlight helmets it will only damage it.

2. scary neighbor should go back to how he was in the last update, because they nerfed him for some reason; before spring 2021 update - call of the kra: 5 hits to get rage, and now it's 7.

[quaint rain]

Well i'd say im a pretty good Scary main and i can do just fine with him currently. and no joke i've battled 5 kids and SURVIVED and even WON

You get rage quicker by attacking back

meaning more health

[vivid crater]

Im a scary main aswell but as I said there are matches atleast for me where bad luck just ruins your plans

[quaint rain]

Just in my opinion, hes a lil strong

Well, im not saying this like a butt but if you want you could go write a suggestion for him, (once again i mean no harm saying that im just saying thats all)

[crimson tulip]

this guy is a broken man. he always hits people or gets hit 6 times and then they stop so he loses all of his progress

[vivid crater]

I wanted to for like a week or so but im just too lazy XD

[quaint rain]

Well you had the currage to type this so go type that

[crimson tulip]

i just damage myself from fall damage to get that extra rage point when others aren't attacking and there's nothing to throw

[random spire]

but then they nerfed it 😱

[vivid crater]

The thing is when I type something I will type it long

and i found a confy spot in my chair so

[quaint rain]

Thats fine more detail

oh my gawd bro

[crimson tulip]

more detail is good

[quaint rain]

Better then just basically saying, rage no good buff rage

[crimson tulip]

rage is still pretty good

[random spire]

hot take: scary neighbor shouldn't get rage from hitting kids

it makes no sense

[quaint rain]

Your right

very hot take

jesus

Lit a forest fire right there

[random spire]

i just shattered the hn community with that

[quaint rain]

Yep

[random spire]

this community will never recover from that

[crimson tulip]

he's probably like "that's it!!!" and attacks everyone til he gets rage or some shit

[random spire]

bro fr said "you're on my bad side now!!! 👿"

[crimson tulip]

bro fr said "grrrrr"

[quaint rain]

lets not start an agruement here just listen, sponky, if Scary gets no rage for attacking he'd join the others in the very weak against multiable kids club

[vivid crater]

GRrrrrrr how dare oyu have an opinion about my beloved main 😡😡

[random spire]

Buff scary. Reintroduce the fact that he gain rage from dropping kids

[vivid crater]

kidding obviosly

[random spire]

Not has much rage from taking damage tho

[quaint rain]

Ehh

Getting rage from loosing kids seems a bit to dodgy to add back

yes milk exist but sometimes its a bit to hard to find that

[crimson tulip]

also brave would get demolished

[random spire]

you clearly hadn't seen the state they left him in Halloween 2020

[quaint rain]

sometimes

Well

I HAVE

I main him from the start

[crimson tulip]

because counter strike dealt damage back then

[random spire]

it was unironically horrible to play him

[random spire]

bro what no it didn't 💀

[quaint rain]

it was gorgeous but i understood why it was changed

[crimson tulip]

it did

[vivid crater]

?

[random spire]

nope. show proof

[crimson tulip]

that's why he took damage

[vivid crater]

it stunned only

[crimson tulip]

rage points

[vivid crater]

because she escaped

the grasp

[quaint rain]

I remember when Brave could dodge scary rage

[vivid crater]

not because of damage

[random spire]

No. It's because he used to gain rage if he dropped a kid, and CS counts that as him dropping a kid

[crimson tulip]

oh yeah mb

my point still stands

brave would get demolished

[random spire]

good

[crimson tulip]

yes

[quaint rain]

Time to add back the abilty where she could keep her abilty while on the ground 🙂

please dear god NEVER AGAIN

[crimson tulip]

also, if you have a kid in your hands and stand over a trap and the kid gets dropped it gets trapped

[random spire]

time to add back the change where it she could lose all of her ability by being picked up and dropped

[crimson tulip]

used to do that

[quaint rain]

what

[crimson tulip]

he means when it didnt carry over

[random spire]

Spring 2021 change. Was the worst change ever to her kit.

[crimson tulip]

cs

[vivid crater]

time to bring back easter alpha inventor

[random spire]

Easter alpha Scout 😱

[vivid crater]

easter alpha butcher

[crimson tulip]

halloween 2020 butcher was worse

3 second hook cooldown

[quaint rain]

Has detective never been nerfed to the ground?

[crimson tulip]

idk

[vivid crater]

no only buffed

make it make sense 🙂

[quaint rain]

Hey leader was the same

[random spire]

that shi was fire 🔥

[quaint rain]

yea 2020 halloween was something for brave

the only change she got

She no longer has her ability when knocked

[random spire]

i mean, there used to be a exploit with his ability that you let you gain Intuition from a single key and they patched that. But besides that, not really.

[crimson tulip]

"booyah!!!" "ok, now i freed myself from the butchers grasp and now i need to ru-" "booyah!!"

[random spire]

"Erm, he says "There you are!" actually. This man needs to get better hearing." 🤓

[crimson tulip]

jesus not this again

[quaint rain]

you really like trying to start arguements huh

[crimson tulip]

how did people hear there you are

[random spire]

it's a stock sound, you can look it up

[crimson tulip]

no? he says booyah

it's from hn

he even said that in the alphas

[random spire]

most of the noises from hn are stock sounds

you know that right?

[crimson tulip]

but he doesn't say there ya lol

[random spire]

The noises he makes are stock sounds

[crimson tulip]

and?

[random spire]

even some scrap "voice lines" were stock im pretty sure

and some sounds from items and stuff

[quaint rain]

i think in the halloween special video by TB they say booyah

[crimson tulip]

still better then the new neighbor voicelines

[quaint rain]

Christmas 2020 changed the Neighbor voice and its bad

[random spire]

my arguements are on top!!!!!

[crimson tulip]

yes

[random spire]

is what it is

[quaint rain]

im not complaing im just saying imo i dont like them

idm them now but i'd perfure the old ones

However the old ambience was the goat

The Halloween ambi is driving me insane how bad the staging is

[random spire]

random thought, but it would be kinda cool make it so kids and neighbors have separate emotes (im only saying this because idk how much longer I can stand to see the neighbor do some dumb hiphop dance one more time)

[crimson tulip]

i actually had an idea where every neighbor would say something randomly when catching a kid

scary would say something like "gotcha!"
clown would laugh
ghost would say "boo!"
guest would do some loud clicking noises
butcher i don't have an idea

[random spire]

butcher: it's butcherin time!!! 😱

[quaint rain]

Butcher seem like the kind of one to say
I have you now!

[crimson tulip]

and butchered all over the place

[random spire]

true

[fading sage]

you have to hit 3 times to get rage times

[crimson tulip]

butcher is german

[crimson tulip]

what

[quaint rain]

jesus i hope thats just a joke

[random spire]

hire this man (don't)

[quaint rain]

yea dont

this went from talking about scary to whatever this convo is

[random spire]

the hello neighbor 😱

[crimson tulip]

anyways, these sounds would play a bit rarer than the normal sounds to prevent from hearing "gotcha!" the whole time

[vivid crater]

@crimson tulip check dms

[drifting gull]

someone may have already said this but i dont think scouts ammo capacity needs to be nerfed

her damage just needs to be nerfed severely so she is a support instead of being an offense

i love typos

[random spire]

make all the kids weak and buff the neighbors so they can be a threat

[drifting gull]

true

love it when a grown man gets beaten up by a 13 year old with a slingshot

i agree with the detective nerfs though

nerfing detective is almost never talked about for some reason

[vivid crater]

I think their balance goal is to make everything overpowered so nothing is

[drifting gull]

smh

[random spire]

but the main thing about the game is that the make the neighbor seem like the powerhouse

and he isnt

he's suppose to be a threat, but when the kids show up the neighbor has to run away, that's not how that works

why should a 40 year old man be scared of literal 11 year olds?

[drifting gull]

i wonder if they increased stuns for the neighbor to encourage you to play stealthily instead of fighting

didnt work

most of the time stealth isnt even an option

[crimson tulip]

i think they did this so you can't instantly grab another kid after killing one

[drifting gull]

doesnt feel that needed tbh

at least make it shorter or something

and give it an actual animation instead of just stunning you because it looks dumb

[crimson tulip]

i think the speed boost kids get when saved was unecassery too

[vivid hearth]

I strongly disagree with the scout change

Making it so the neighbor isn't stunned by nuts? Than whats the point?

Maybe he shouldn't be damaged by normal nuts but making him not be able to be stunned is a bad change for her

And having a 2.5 second cooldown would be horrible too for normal shooting nuts

Getting evasive maneuver would take way longer

I think her normal nuts should act as normal, and using powershot should give the slingshot a cooldown to prevent stun locking and stacking damage

Normal nuts don't do much damage at all and are good for quick escapes or quick saves, I think they are fine. Also reducing the nut count seems too punishing. I think the current nut count is fine

I think only powershot should be nerfed

As for the leader thing, I think she should still be able to blind the neighbor they should just give the blindness/teamwork ability a longer cooldown than inspiration

[drifting gull]

leader heal should be removed imo

it makes her almost impossible to down as neighbor if you arent drinking milk

especially with her stun resistance

[vivid hearth]

the should revert leader to how she was before the update and then balance her from there

[drifting gull]

brave and inventor feel like the only balanced characters rn

everyone else could have some changes

detective isnt bad but i think he needs a cooldown for field intel

[vivid hearth]

yeah thats true

[vivid hearth]

everytime he finds a key his feild intel should have a 15 second cooldown imo

[drifting gull]

i forgot about bagger but i wouldnt really say hes “balanced” anyway because he feels less good than he used to be and worse than other kids in general

i find him fun to play (sometimes) but i dont really think he is that good

what if he started with 3 slots, and drinking about 6 milks would allow him to put any item he wanted in the flashlight slot? basically making it into a normal slot

i like the milk change because it makes him funner to play imo but the less slots made him worse

[vivid hearth]

they should make his heavy bones ability gained from drinking milk and he should unlock his extra slot from holding items like it used to be

[crimson tulip]

as 1st place detectuve i agree

juat so you know i'm not biased

he definetly needs a cooldown

[crimson tulip]

i had an idea that drinking 4 milk would unlock heavy bones

would also make more sense because many people say milk makes your bones stronger

[drifting gull]

i sort of like drinking milk to unlock the extra slots better (even if it doesnt make as much sense) but thats only because im impatient and its faster most of the time. but that sounds good too

i just want the milk drinking thing to stay even if its to unlock a different ability than it does now

i thought bagger was really boring until this update which gave him something to do

didnt mean to react to my own message 💀 what

[random spire]

Intresting. Pretty much everyone I've talked to doesn't like the bagger rework

[vivid hearth]

I really like cyberdazz's idea

Revert bagger back to the way he used to be able to unlock his extra slot, but make it so drinking milk unlocks the heavy bones ability

[nova rock]

Heavy bones???

If so, strong knees would also work.

Since milk has Calcium that makes bones stronger (except if you have way too much, it breaks your bones), drinking milk would make the strong knees ability unlocked.

[vivid hearth]

Yes gameplay wise I think heavy bones would be better

[crimson tulip]

i don't want to be this guy but🤓

[nova rock]

Uncool.

[crimson tulip]

ok

[crimson tulip]

detective needs a nerf asap