#Rework The AI task system

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fleet panther
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Currently the AI task system in hn2 is really bad. Instead of the AIs actually living their lives they just repeat the same 2 tasks in a given area. The AIs just switch to doing 2 other tasks (usually done to camp the area where a player needs to go). Another major issue with this is that it makes the AI easily predictable and be even less of a threat.
What should be changed.
The AI shouldn't be constantly cycling between 2 tasks every few seconds. They should have variety in their tasks which would make them less predictable. It would also feel like the AI actually has a life outside camping the spots where the player needs to do a puzzle in. And perhaps adding tasks such as them being able to watch tv or take a nap (only mr peterson can do this currently) and maybe even be able to take a shower without being hit by a paint can or trashbag. The main point is that the Ai should be able to do more than 2 tasks at a time and it should be random.

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golden kiln
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and he always breaks when he hears u

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he should go to sleep now that the room is open actually

fleet panther
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wdym exactly?

golden kiln
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now that the door is unlocked his task can be sleep as well

fleet panther
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all neighbors should be able to take a nap

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wait idk about nielsen? he is in a crime scene after all

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and taking a shower there would be innapropriate

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all the other AIs should be able to do these things

nimble notch
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he can take a nap in his police car for a bit

fleet panther
inland geyser
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They should move his car closer to the house like the beta regardless

fleet panther
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I agree

fleet panther
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Should I add anything to this post?

uncut ingot
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Agreed

uncut ingot
fleet panther
nimble notch
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tasks wise I think the Mayor calling in skipper using a bell would be cool

fleet panther
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it would

west magnet
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Damn this text is long

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fleet panther
fleet panther
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Leaving a messege here so the post gets attention

cobalt idol
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Maybe sleep in his chair

fleet panther
inland geyser
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He should also be able to use his study

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Imagine if that was a task

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Crazy right

fleet panther
inland geyser
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Yeah

fleet panther
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huh

inland geyser
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You know the room with the trophy behind the lasers?

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Upstairs?

fleet panther
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honestly theres a bunch of rooms that just go unused by the AI or the player sometimes

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oh yeah that

inland geyser
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He has a desk and chair and an alarm clock, and he has a task to sit at it

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But it doesn't work

fleet panther
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honestly I want the AIs to roam around the house and most importantly be able to catch the player off guard

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the current system just makes them predictable

inland geyser
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Yeah

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They do 2 tasks on loop

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And then they see you

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And run in a straight line towards you

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Before immediately losing you

shadow robin
fleet panther
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the sad part about this is that its true

fleet panther
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reviving this thread because I feel like the game NEEDS this to be added

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the current task system is just bad

fleet panther
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it does the OPPOSITE

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it makes the AI predictable

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I use this to my advantage and do half the puzzles in the peterson house before Nielson even enters the house

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Rework The AI task system

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changed the name and edited the text in the post to have it be more understandable

strong nymph
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I’m gonna be so happy if patch 9 has brought back old task system

fleet panther
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btw guys if you are gonna chat here please have it be on topic to the post

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(maybe you could suggest stuff I could add to the post)

strong nymph
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He has to have it lol

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Imo

patent dove
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revive

fleet panther
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No way revive?

fleet panther
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revive!

quartz silo
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Now here’s the thing and I said this before, I think Random Tasks should be in Free Roam only, as if you notice a lot of the Characters follow a more Realistic Pattern, for Example Mr. Peterson:

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This is similar with all of the Other AIs, Gerda focuses on her work in the Kitchen and then after a While starts cleaning up the Whole Place, Nielson checks each individual Area and once the Upstairs is open will do the same there trying to figure out the Puzzles like we are, it’s really Intuitive especially Teds Task doing and I don’t want it get overwritten with Random Tasks instead which is actually less Realistic.

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Though I do think AI Tasks should be random in Free Roam, for the Sandbox Experience.

inland geyser
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No not this

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The original idea in this post is peak

strong nymph
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Absolutely not

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Just get rid of the whole thing burn it and replace it with a peak ranomized task system

fleet panther
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the AI sucks when its forced to do certain tasks

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makes it predictable

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and a non threat

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you can easily avoid

quartz silo
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Alright then, never said this was bad just doesn’t seem right for Story Mode.

quartz silo
# fleet panther you can easily avoid

Have you ever realised the point is to learn what the AI does? So you can figure out a Plan, also Ex: Night 2 Ted hangs the entire time at the Main Area where all the Puzzles are, but no Random Tasks is more of a Threat since it means he will go all around the Whole Museum making Puzzle Solving easier, same with the rest of the Characters, I don’t have a Probelm with Random Tasks, just not in Story Mode since that ruins the Point of Learning from the AI, Waiting for Stealth routes in Areas you need to get to that you can’t reach, and actual Realistic Task Sutem instead of the Character doing a Random Chore in an unorganized way, each Character is lively, Gerda follows her Daily Routine of working and Cleaning up the Place, same with everyone else, Random Tasks in Story Mode will just be horrid for Stealth and Progress Hardships.

fleet panther
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it also makes the AI feel less human

quartz silo
# fleet panther task progression makes the AI be predictable

Is that NOT how Stealth works, first off, HN2 is meant to be a One Time Play through game, which is why Puzzles are always the Same, so it wouldn’t be Predictable as you would have to Learn, obviously after Multiple Play through you learn the Pattern which is the Point, Via why it’s easier, As you Learn how the Character does their Daily Doing.

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I agree the AI should have Random Tasks, not in Story Mode though.

fleet panther
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One Time Play through game
thats not good at all makes the game not be enjoyable at all 💀

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I dont wanna pay 40$ for a game that I can only enjoy once

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this is almost as bad as your "replace the barn tutorial with a car chase minigame" post

quartz silo
cerulean dew
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e

quartz silo
fleet panther
cerulean dew
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i prefer hn1 style of random tasks

fleet panther
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anyway seeing how they went with the update the game post launch way of realising content

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it makes it so players replay the game A LOT

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I think the game would work far better if the player had something diffrent happen in each play through

quartz silo
fleet panther
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replay value is important

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and if hn2 doesnt have that

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then its just not worth 40$

fleet panther
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the game doesnt really have enough features to have free roam be fun

quartz silo
fleet panther
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everyone but you is saying task progression sucks

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you are literally the only person willing to die on this hill

quartz silo
# fleet panther everyone but you is saying task progression sucks

Buddy I had a Suggestion on the Topic of mine with tons of People agreeing, and why does that matter, people agree with literally everything in Suggestions as long as it changes the Current Game, I don’t get how that matters, listen if you want the AI to run like an NPC and not have to learn how the Characters function with Sandbox aspects then sure, but IMO that’s something a Free Roam Mode where you get to do whatever the Game allows you to do…oh wai-

fleet panther
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Ive talked with multiple people and all of them even the ones who like the current hn2 say the game would be far better without task progression

fleet panther
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why are you actively saying they just make the main content of the game be less interesting just because of a mode almost no one plays?

quartz silo
fleet panther
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the only thing you can really do in free roam is collect tapes

fleet panther
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no one is gonna go into the house after they did all the puzzles

quartz silo
fleet panther
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people want to be surprised on repeat playthrough

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why are you actively saying they should keep the game repetetive?

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wasnt the whole point of the game the AI surprising the player?

quartz silo
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Instead of having to Learn and do Progression

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So.

cerulean dew
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guys

fleet panther
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yeah but why actively make story mode less interesting and more predictable?

cerulean dew
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i have a better idea than both of yours

quartz silo
cerulean dew
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remove tasks

open bane
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Brilliant

fleet panther
quartz silo
fleet panther
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task progression was made so the AI would camp the places where the player needs to go

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it was made to artificially make the AI look smarter

quartz silo
fleet panther
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I literally have a method that guarantees keith never sees me

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it has never failed

quartz silo
fleet panther
quartz silo
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You have to LEARN

fleet panther
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its a 40 dollar game

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replay value is important

open bane
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Yeah

quartz silo
fleet panther
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you are active saying they should make the game more boring

quartz silo
fleet panther
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with task progression they almost never leave the room they are in

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making so easy to avoid them and do a puzzle in the other side of the house

quartz silo
open bane
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Having the AI just camp where ever the player needs to go isnt fun. It makes the AI very predictable and stupid. If the AI had random tasks, it would make the AI less predictable.

quartz silo
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I’m ded

fleet panther
fleet panther
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having the AI be functional is a " free roam aspect"

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you have chosen the dumbest hill to die on

quartz silo
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So, your Points are to remove the current Idea of tricking the AI so you can Progress…because you didn’t like the Fact that Ted couldn’t do a certain Task on Night 2 instead of Night 3…

fleet panther
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its not tricking the AI

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you couldnt even distract it at launch

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it was made to make the game look artificially harder

quartz silo
fleet panther
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and most people just dont find it fun

quartz silo
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Via why they are finishing it.

fleet panther
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it just doesnt work

quartz silo
low storm
fleet panther
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and if the majority of players say its bad then maybe they should change it 🫠

quartz silo
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Here’s my point

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Let me type it

cerulean dew
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guys when will they add mayor pooping task

fleet panther
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im done argueing with you

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its clear you chosen the dumbest hill to die on and I cant change your mind

low storm
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also this suggestion is gonna get locked we should prob stop

cerulean dew
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guys mayor poop task when?!?!??

fleet panther
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hopefully another argument doesnt appear here again

low storm
fleet panther
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anyway lets agree to end this argument or at least move to another channel

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if anyone wants to suggest something to add to the post they can

low storm
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👍

quartz silo
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My Point is that the Characters run on a Task Progression so they block Areas you need, so you have to Distract them or get them to move so you can get their, making AIs Tedious, not only that more Lively as they are following a daily doing, Random Tasks would be something from when your not trying to Outsmart the AI and instead just go wherever whenever allowing you to do whatever A.K.A. “Free Roam” Instead you want this in the Main Story Mode, when your supposed to Learn, such as ways to Distract, ways to fend off, Hiding Spots, best routes, and also Learn the way the AI works, as the Story Mode is a one time Play Through game, which is why Puzzles are the same, that’s why they made “Free Roam”instead you want the Game more easy no problems to worry about.

fleet panther
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I said im done argueing about this

quartz silo
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That’s my point, I agree with Random Tasks, just not Main Story Please.

fleet panther
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I dont agree with you

strong nymph
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Yeah the current progression system

quartz silo
strong nymph
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Can burn

fleet panther
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and I said

strong nymph
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In hell

fleet panther
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we should move on

strong nymph
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I hate it

fleet panther
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I dont want this post getting locked so lets agree to be civil

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no point in argueing about it

quartz silo
# fleet panther we should move on

I got that, but you get what I mean, I agree with the Suggestion I liked it, just it feels kinda stupid to add that in Story Mode you know?

fleet panther
quartz silo
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/j

strong nymph
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No because it’s sucks

quartz silo
fleet panther
quartz silo
fleet panther
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nobody likes it

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the AI task system needs changing

strong nymph
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You’re the only one I think

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Who likes it

fleet panther
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replay value is essential to making the game enjoyable

quartz silo
fleet panther
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its clear you are in the minority

strong nymph
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Even those who love hn2 hates it

fleet panther
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anyway we should either end this discussion or move to somewhere else

quartz silo
fleet panther
quartz silo
strong nymph
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Who cares

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About free roam

fleet panther
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if you cant replay the main story then theres no point

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anyway im done

quartz silo
strong nymph
quartz silo
fleet panther
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guys this is becoming more about free roam than the task system

strong nymph
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No they should just throw the current task system in the trash but ok

fleet panther
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please move to another chat

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I dont want this post to get locked 😭

quartz silo
strong nymph
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I hate it

fleet panther
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can we just please move on?

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its clear if this continues the chat aint gonna be civil

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please only talk here if you wanna add something onto the post

quartz silo
fleet panther
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argueing here isnt gonna do much good

quartz silo
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Good Argument tbh

fleet panther
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anyway im going now

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please be civil 👍

strong nymph
quartz silo
quartz silo
inland geyser
quartz silo
inland geyser
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Free roam is not repayable

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There is nothing to do

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Also progression can be done without making the difficulty baby tier by forcing the AIs to be predictable and easy to walk around

quartz silo
# inland geyser There is nothing to do

That’s why it was the Sandbox experience for Replay ability, the point was to have something for Players to do to mess with the World once done with the Main Story Mode, you can do whatever the Limits of the Game has.

inland geyser
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Oh so it's just badly designed

quartz silo
quartz silo
inland geyser
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No but like

quartz silo
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Sure

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Just sure

inland geyser
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The ai is just bad

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Like

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There is no figuring out

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You just run around grabbing stuff and it's too stupid to do anything about it

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Plus it doing 2 tasks at a time is so boring

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There is no fun to that

quartz silo
# inland geyser Like

Yeah IK everyone knows the AI is bad, but that doesn’t mean ruining AI Task Progression? Just make AI Chase and Hunt Better, simple.

inland geyser
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I would rather the game be around critical thinking like the alphas and concepts tried to give, I'm not having this argument again

quartz silo
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Anyways GTG

strong nymph
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Reviving this feedback since they still havent added this

low storm
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Peak

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revive

kind owl
nimble notch
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true the thing I dislike is they only do other tasks only if you do a specific puzzle they made them scripted

nimble notch
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true

quartz silo
quartz silo
low storm
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he typed that 3 months ago 💀

proven glen
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DAWG!? What is you writing? A dictionary?

low storm
proven glen
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I thought I got heated in arguments

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But I was wrong

low storm
quartz silo
low storm
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The whole point is to make the ai fun and unpredictable. If you make it predictable it makes the game not as fun

quartz silo
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Idk the stupidity (not trying to be mean) with points in this gets me, I get the suggestion but he really gave the least best explanations against it.

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I don’t hate this Suggestion, anyone should be able to spread their own Suggestions, but there are Two Points that don’t make sense at all.

  1. “AI not living their lives” AI Task Progression does that though, it’s makes them realistic and they actually seem Human, like I said above, Gerda focuses on Work then switches to Clean, Ted starts off Anxious and then Relaxed the further in the Game, this is Intuitive, Random Tasks turns the Characters into straight NPCs, Gerda Cleaning and proceeding to Cook then Cleaning upstairs and Cooking again and going completely Random is not Realistic or more Lively.

  2. “Predictable” this one does not make any sense to me, the Story Mode is about Learning, Learning Puzzles, Learning Strategy, Learning Features, there is a Reason why the Progression System is in the Progression Based Mode, obviously the Game becomes much easier after 2+ Playthroughs because you’ve already Learned everything therefore making the Game easier like it should be, and with the “Replay ability, there’s a reason Free Roam exists, because it’s the Repayable Sandbox Mode, that’s the reason why the AI is less smart in that Mode and also the reason why Random Tasks exists in that Mode.

low storm
quartz silo
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Sorry that shit is gone

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Dust

quartz silo
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Flash bang.

proven glen
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Nah

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Keep it going

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I swear to god, this man can write a 1000 page book in a week

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That’s just impressive

quartz silo
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Idk the points are so dumb, like I get Unpredictable and Fun, but there’s a reason Free Roam exists, don’t ruin the already Promised and added Story and Learning part of the Game.

quartz silo
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This is what happens after 20+ Essays over 3 Months

quartz silo
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Shits tragic.

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EGS already wants the AI to be a Learning Bases for the Player (The whole point of Stealth) which is why I highly doubt they would remove that, it would just add another Broken Promise to the board.

hardy relic
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Yeah this is so true the AI doesnt feel very alive at all because of this.

fleet panther
fleet panther
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like cmon

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task progression sucks

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you are literally the only person Ive seen defend the system that many people agreed is bad

strong nymph
quartz silo
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Like I said I don’t hate the suggestion, but you do realise there’s a reason why they created Progression Tasks in the Progression Mode, and also why they put Random Tasks in the Free Roam.

quartz silo
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If I had a restaurant I wouldn’t serve my food then start cleaning the place up and start cooking again.

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Your not gonna go to school and go to you 7th Period then your 2nd Period, it’s orderly fashioned because it makes more sense to do things by steps, and also because it’s kinda just normal.

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I get what you mean by it becomes predictable, but that’s the exact same with any games campaign, there’s a reason why when you learn everything it becomes easier, because your getting better at it, the AI follows a Progression so that the Player learns how the Character behaves, technically by removing Task Progression would just add a missing promise, and about the Replay Ability, there’s a reason why they made a Free Roam where you have access to everything and get to do whatever you want, because it’s the Sandbox Mode, which is why the AI is dumber in Free Roam.

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Your practically saying that every game should be different every Play Through no matter what (reminder that the AI doesn’t always act the same each Play Through, sometime they will do different things at different orders or do completely new things, so technically your claim doesn’t work).

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Like I said I don’t hate the suggestion its just the claims can go against it, I’ve just been trying to explain why there’s a Progression Task Mode and why it works fundamentally better for what was Promised you’ve just been taking it as me hating the Suggestion.

quartz silo
# fleet panther task progression sucks

Maybe because I’m the only one “defending” it in this specific feedback? (Not even trying to defend it, just pointing out flaws of the Feedback and why Progression Exists for a reason, and how it’s more Intuitive), Check the other channels, hell I even have a screenshot from someone talking about it in DMs, that people agreed with showing how it makes the Character’s seem Human and more real:

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quartz silo
# strong nymph It has to be

Bro your the same person who flat out stated that you just hate Progression Tasks, what’s your saying in this 💀

strong nymph
quartz silo
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Bros heated over one of the only Promises that came true

strong nymph
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The ai is super predicteble and bad

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So yeah

fleet panther
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nobody except you defends it

quartz silo
fleet panther
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you are literally the only person Ive seen defend this system

quartz silo
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Shocking

strong nymph
quartz silo
fleet panther
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this guy hates fun

quartz silo
fleet panther
strong nymph
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Lmao

quartz silo
quartz silo
strong nymph
fleet panther
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also free roam has no puzzles

strong nymph
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Free roam is less replayble then story mode

quartz silo
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I’m getting jumped in a feedback rn 💀

quartz silo
fleet panther
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I want interesting gameplay in the actual freaking game

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not some free roam with no puzzles

fleet panther
cerulean dew
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task progression is awesome

quartz silo
fleet panther
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no one plays free roam

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also I wanna play the actual game not free roam...

strong nymph
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Free roam is bad though

quartz silo
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What’s with the flag? What’s wrong with UK?

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cerulean dew
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it sucks

fleet panther
quartz silo
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So you guys are mad about no Random Tasks but are sincerely not going to play the Mode that allows it, wth 💀

dusty scaffold
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what

quartz silo
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I’ve not even mad

dusty scaffold
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Freeroam doesnt have random tasks

fleet panther
quartz silo
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I’m just pointing out stuff

quartz silo
dusty scaffold
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Yeah?

fleet panther
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free roam is task progression stuck on the first phase

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so keith will never go inside

cerulean dew
fleet panther
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gerda will never stop baking

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etc

quartz silo
# dusty scaffold Yeah?

Every time I play free roam Ted acts weird, he does Tasks at random for me same with the other AIs

dusty scaffold
cerulean dew
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freeroam just has level 1 task progression

quartz silo
dusty scaffold
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I dont know whats happening with your game but thats never happened with anyone else who has played the game

cerulean dew
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before they start moving around the house

dusky prawn
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quartz silo
dusty scaffold
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Dont do that Jay thats spam..

quartz silo
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What’s with the UK dawg

cerulean dew
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hello neighbor

inland geyser
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I LOVE task progression 🍵🍵☕️☕️🦷🦷

silk idol
quartz silo
inland geyser
quartz silo
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Ik

cerulean dew
dusky prawn
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cerulean dew
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🇬🇧

dusky prawn
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cerulean dew
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🇺🇸

inland geyser
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Task progression 🫡🦅

cerulean dew
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🇬🇧 task progression 🇺🇸

quartz silo
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But to be fair I find it funny that, “Ah yes I’m gonna go to work for the morning and then the next day skip work then go to work at midnight, I will have breakfast this evening and dinner this morning Random Tasks is SO realistic and SO much more Free”

inland geyser
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What

cerulean dew
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anyways

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task progression is awesome and i love it

inland geyser
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Just make them do stuff based on time of day??? They don't have to be limited to progression

proven hawk
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my name is doode and i like fire truck!

cerulean dew
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my name is doode and i like fire truck!

quartz silo
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Uh oh the tinfoil hat people have attacked

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cerulean dew
proven hawk
inland geyser
quartz silo
cerulean dew
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i doode

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he fake

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shut this post down

quartz silo
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I think this became sewer thread 4.0

fleet panther
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I think we should calm down a bit?

cerulean dew
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take it down boys

quartz silo
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Shit

dusky prawn
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quartz silo
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My bad Egg

dusky prawn
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fleet panther
inland geyser
cerulean dew
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we need alopha 15 back

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with its random task

quartz silo
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Thank you, someone who understands.

strong nymph
fleet panther
quartz silo
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You just hate it.

strong nymph
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You understand that now

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???

dusky prawn
dusky prawn
quartz silo
fleet panther
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the AI would be 100% better if the AI`s behavior was influenced by the players action

cerulean dew
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ai task progression is stinky

dusky prawn
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cerulean dew
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it was a last minute attempt to make the ai good

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yucky

quartz silo
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Is it just me or does cinnamon toast crunch just taste so bad after it gets soggy.

dusky prawn
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quartz silo
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I don’t even want to eat it anymore.

quartz silo
cerulean dew
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420 messages

inland geyser
fleet panther
quartz silo
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Ik but like, Cinnamon Toast Crunch is just another level.

dusky prawn
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strong nymph
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Anyways mr Peterson in free roam has like 2 idle tasks

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Right

quartz silo
dusky prawn
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strong nymph
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Bro

cerulean dew
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hello neighbor

inland geyser
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They had an entire system for it programmed before

dusky prawn
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inland geyser
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They wouldn't just get rid of it

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strong nymph
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I want a decent ai cant i have that

dusky prawn
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strong nymph
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For the other ais

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strong nymph
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Guest ai

quartz silo
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Just no good chase

strong nymph
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Yeah

inland geyser
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strong nymph
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I mean hn2 ai is at the same level as hn1 ai playing hn1 the quality isnt that much better

quartz silo
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In HN2 they act more realistic

strong nymph
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I mean hn2 ted acts like a rock

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dusky prawn
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quartz silo
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I love how there was a bug that made the AI function

strong nymph
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How

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Can a bug fix an ai

quartz silo
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Yeah

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Technically

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The bug was the AI could always know where you were after seeing you and won’t lose you till a far distance or loses track of you.

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And it made the AI function.

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And they fixed it, and now it sucks again.

dusky prawn
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