Imo 40 dollars i a bit much for the content that’s currently is in the game maybe lower it to like 25 at least.
#lower the price to 25 dollars
north zephyr
wanton maple
I'd even say 25 dollars would be a good price.
As long as they make it lower than Security Breach, that's all I'd want.
north zephyr
lower the price to 25 dollars
cold kayak
They won't lower the price because they'll make it worth it, at some point.
north zephyr
They won't lower the price because they'll make it worth it, at some point.
Maybe
But they should still lower it
To atleast 30
cold kayak
They also raised it at some point.
wanton maple
They won't lower the price because they'll make it worth it, at some point.
I'd say the DLCs should be free as well. There's no excuse for them costing more than a standalone, perfect horror game like At Dead of Night.
cold kayak
I'd say the DLCs should be free as well. There's no excuse for them costing more...
Not free, but way cheaper.
north zephyr
They won't lower the price because they'll make it worth it, at some point.
Well then they would need to add a big open world
And gaap and stuff
cold kayak
Well then they would need to add a big open world
They don't need to.
wanton maple
And the larger DLCs should be maybe the same price as Garten of Banban games.
cold kayak
They'll just add a bunch more content and make the game way longer.
wanton maple
I mean that unironically.
north zephyr
They'll just add a bunch more content and make the game way longer.
A big open world is needed imo
Since that’s
The big selling point
cold kayak
A big open world is needed imo
No.
north zephyr
Why not
cold kayak
There is no need for a big open world.
wanton maple
And the larger DLCs should be maybe the same price as Garten of Banban games.
So Back to School and Late Fees should both be about $3.99.
cold kayak
It’s an open world game
No?
north zephyr
Yes
wanton maple
It’s an open world game
Its a linear game.
cold kayak
Hm?
wanton maple
The Beta is an example of open world.
cold kayak
Don't see "open world" as one of the tags.
north zephyr
They changed it
cold kayak
They changed it
Long ago.
I actually like the linearity.
Them doing open world seems like a disaster.
It didn't work very well in the beta.
wanton maple
I actually like the linearity.
I do like linear games.
And I think the FG is much, much better than the Beta.
cold kayak
It was marketed
Sort of.
cold kayak
The AI was the big selling point.
wanton maple
It was marketed
Well, a lot of the things they marketed didn't happen.
wanton maple
They can’t just drop it
They dropped the AI they promised.
north zephyr
Or most
cold kayak
They dropped the AI they promised.
We may still see some form of learning AI, but an AI that learns from everyone combined is just a stupid decision.
wanton maple
"Neural Network".
north zephyr
"Neural Network".
Like I wanted an open world lol
wanton maple
We may still see some form of learning AI, but an AI that learns from everyone c...
Again, base it off the Alpha 1.5 AI, but take from the FG AI navigating levels.
Or at least add 1.5 AI features.
cold kayak
Again, base it off the Alpha 1.5 AI, but take from the FG AI navigating levels.
FG AI was actually built upon the A1.5 AI.
wanton maple
FG AI was actually built upon the A1.5 AI.
It sure doesn't behave or appear like it.
north zephyr
FG AI was actually built upon the A1.5 AI.
Nah really
cold kayak
It sure doesn't behave or appear like it.
Yeah, because they changed the AI to become better for stealth.
wanton maple
Alpha 1.5's AI was fully dynamic.
north zephyr
I still doesn’t like the ai in full game tbh
wanton maple
And actually learned and tried new methods.
wanton maple
You're supposed to use stealth against them.
But it seems like they based the AI almost entirely off stealth.
cold kayak
But it seems like they based the AI almost entirely off stealth.
Yep.
People wanted stealth, they got it.
wanton maple
When chasing, the AI has to calculate where to go and freezes.
wanton maple
People wanted stealth, they got it.
At the cost of...mostly everything else AI-based.
cold kayak
When chasing, the AI has to calculate where to go and freezes.
Mostly fixed in patch 6, but broken once again.
north zephyr
Believe it or not
wanton maple
Mostly fixed in patch 6, but broken once again.
What broke it after Patch 6?
cold kayak
What broke it after Patch 6?
I'm not so sure.
wanton maple
I'm not so sure.
I'll tell you.
cold kayak
Oh, wait.
wanton maple
Patch 7.
wanton maple
The AI seeing footprints.
OH, that!!
Because it changes its pattern entirely when spotting footprints!
wanton maple
That's how it broke.
So what happened was it actually stopped freezing in Patch 6?
And then footprints made everything broken again?
cold kayak
So what happened was it actually stopped freezing in Patch 6?
Yeah.
At least MOSTLY.
Still freezes when turning, of course.
wanton maple
Yeah.
I noticed that with the Mayor in Patch 6 gameplay.
His AI got a huge speed buff, and it helped his AI in chasing as well.
He never froze much in any of the Patch 6 clips.
north zephyr
Like why didn’t they told us about the changes during development
You think
They forgot?
cold kayak
Oh, also.
FPS still has to do with the AI.
The more FPS you get, the better the AI.
wanton maple
FPS still has to do with the AI.
Of course it does. AGW was actually onto something, I guess...
north zephyr
FPS still has to do with the AI.
Need to change that
Imo
So the ai can work all the time
wanton maple
So are EGS still using the experimental EQS feature?
north zephyr
It will.
Why I sometimes refer to the old description
Is becouse I pre ordered it
Expecting that
north zephyr
I expected something really big
wanton maple
They tried to fake gameplay.
That Deep Dive...
north zephyr
Yeah but I just felt sorta betrayed you know couse I love the franchise
cold kayak
That Deep Dive...
All real, just very broken AI that seems smart.
They faked it being smart with bugs.
It's just the beta AI.
north zephyr
And I really thought they were gonna be able to pull it off
cold kayak
It's just the beta AI.
Because it's early footage of the actual beta.
Going to test the AI with the lowest settings now.
wanton maple
Wasn't the Deep Dive scripted?
north zephyr
Nope
cold kayak
Wasn't the Deep Dive scripted?
Nah.
They just spliced together a bunch of clips to make it seem like very good gameplay and AI.
cold kayak
They should never have promised so much
They wanted HN2 to make money, so.
wanton maple
They wanted HN2 to make money, so.
They should've been honest to make money.
north zephyr
They wanted HN2 to make money, so.
That doesn’t change anything
cold kayak
HN2 is not the only game that has had the same sort of marketing.
wanton maple
HN2 is not the only game that has had the same sort of marketing.
It's the example people sure love not letting go of, though.
north zephyr
It's the example people sure love not letting go of, though.
Well I was just disappointed
Tbh
north zephyr
Because even if the game was actually pretty good on launch it was not the game i pre ordered
wanton maple
The AI is actually VERY good at chasing.
Do we have any clips of it working perfectly?
I mean, didn't they modify the AI in Patch 6, so it didn't try to cut off Quentin at every opportunity?
wanton maple
It still loses me.
Mayor is the biggest offender of this.
cold kayak
Way better than with bad FPS, though.
wanton maple
Mayor is the biggest offender of this.
Can't even make it halfway up the stairs without losing you.
cold kayak
They lose you very easily, that's the biggest issue.
The AI should also be able to learn.
They also need to fix the FPS issue.
wanton maple
The AI should also be able to learn.
That's the issue. The AI seems to be restricted from learning because they're scripted to do only two tasks and simply progress to them.
It's also a glaring issue with Mayor.
cold kayak
Thankfully, they're still working on the AI.
wanton maple
You hardly see him because you knock off the upstairs puzzles so easily.
cold kayak
I can see it getting very good.