Alpha 2

[stiff hornet]

Listen - I know this has been suggested countless times. I also know it's possible that alpha 2 was converted to the beta, so it no longer exists. However, if alpha 2 is still somewhere in your computers, I think releasing it could have a few positive effects:
1. Tiding Over the Community People are always wondering when the next patch for HN2 will be out, and so I believe releasing alpha 2 will tide people over while you guys work on the full game.
2. Assets Because alpha 2 was never releases publicly, we nit only don't know what the town looked like, but we never got the assets from the game to be used in fan projects, and so people have had to recreate them from scratch. I believe that modders and fangame developers were be grateful for assets that would come in a release of alpha 2.

[dawn spruce]

it would be incredibly sad if alpha 2 was lost

I always wanted to try alpha 2 just to see what they were working on

and what worked and what didnt

even if alpha 2 isnt that polished I feel like its worth trying to just experience it

I find game development to be really really interesting

hn giving us builds to play is one of the big reasons why Im such a fan

seeing hn2 have 2 entirely unreleased builds makes me sad

[stiff hornet]

HG alpha 2 and HN2 Alpha 2?

[dawn spruce]

yes

both are alpha 2 lmao

well hg is more like a pre alpha 2

[west nest]

Isn't HGA2 supposed to be HN2A1?

[stiff hornet]

I thought alpha 2 was the mill?

[lunar phoenix]

no?

the mill is HG Chapter 2

which they barely worked on

anyways we already know why alpha 2 is gone

[west nest]

Wasn't it supposed to be an early version of the full game?

[lunar phoenix]

we already know why its gone

[stiff hornet]

well, fortunately this feedback is for HN2, not HG

[lunar phoenix]

The Horror and GrayManor Entity haunted it

:)

[bleak monolith]

No, just no, people have said this multiple times and I don’t understand why people can’t grasp it, A2 was straight dogshit, it barely functioned, most likely never actually worked, even Adam said that it was his least favorite out of every build he’s played, the only reason people think it’s good is because of the video enhanced showcases of it, the gameplay was trash, people praise it just because it never came, so it’s the only thing worth to people thinking it’s “good”, even though based on everything we’ve seen it’s straight dogshit.

[dawn spruce]

I just wanna play it to see what they worked on

[stiff hornet]

I think the map was final or close to final

[dawn spruce]

I have stated this multiple times

I dont care how functional it was

[stiff hornet]

People mostly want it because they want to see what it's like and to get old art assets

[stiff hornet]

I clarified that in the feedback post

[bleak monolith]

First off, not worth it, it’s one of the last hype things keeping HN2 kinda alive, releasing it and letting the public see how dogshit it was will ruin it.

[bleak monolith]

Not worth it

[stiff hornet]

it's an alpha build, it's not going to be amazing
and the mystery around alpha 2 is not giving any hype to the game

[west nest]

I don't really think there is anything mysterious to "alpha 2".

[stiff hornet]

the community is not hyped for HN2 because of alpha 2
they used to be, but not anymore

[west nest]

It would be pretty funny to see how broken it is, though.

[dawn spruce]

wdym not worth it?

we arent loosing anything

[bleak monolith]

Here’s the thing, even though tons of people expect it to be the best thing ever, it’s not worth adding, also the Tiding up thing in the suggestion makes no sense, just play the beta or past alphas, and if you have none just play HG, OR maybe just play something else or just the current game 🤯.

[dawn spruce]

we are just getting to explore a build of the game

[bleak monolith]

I explained it

[dawn spruce]

its just pissing people off even more

showing that alpha 2 wasnt that good will make people hate fg less

[bleak monolith]

Haha, no, half of the community hyped up A2 every week, releasing it and letting them see how barely anything nor shit they had is just dumb.

[stiff hornet]

people want to know what alpha 2 was like
if it's released then people will be busy playing it and getting assets they need for their mods/fangames so that way EGS has a bit of breathing room to develop the full game patches

[dawn spruce]

if it did release it would be the beta 1 of hn2

[stiff hornet]

proof???

[dawn spruce]

if they released an alpha and worked on the next patch for like 2 months then I would think its good

[bleak monolith]

Buddy, we have seen Neighborarea, we know what it looks like, we know what the objectives were, there’s no point, the points being made make zero sense.

[west nest]

Here are a couple of reasons why "alpha 2" won't be released:
It won't make any sense to release it after HN2's launch.

Oops, I pressed enter too early.

[dawn spruce]

those are same sort of people saying hn2 alpha 2 is better than full game (its not)

[dawn spruce]

I jsut want to explore it

[bleak monolith]

, go in the channels every once a while and you’ll see people talking about A2

[west nest]

Playing the beta will also make people hate the full game less, though.
It's pretty freaking janky.

[bleak monolith]

Then play the beta, it’s the exact same thing just on a smaller map.

[stiff hornet]

first of all, every once in a while
second of all, I'm here all the time and haven't seen a large discussion about alpha 2 in a while

[bleak monolith]

Yeah, maybe because people came to an agreement that it’s not worth it.

[stiff hornet]

the beta town is a singular street

[bleak monolith]

Someone once said this, forgot there name tag, but they said: “The people who want A2, are the people who barely understand its history”

[dawn spruce]

you just completely missed the point...

the beta map kind of sucks

the alpha 2 map looks massive

and I wanna explore it

[stiff hornet]

because it is

[dawn spruce]

alpha 2 and the beta are non comparable

also alpha 2 was an actual build

[bleak monolith]

Wow, explore a map that is massive but barely had shit in it, sorry to burst your bubble, but 75% of the map was an empty field with missing assets.

[dawn spruce]

there is evidence about the beta being in 2 months

[dawn spruce]

dude I dont care

[bleak monolith]

[dawn spruce]

why are you so passionate about it being unreleased?

it would at least stop the "alpha 2 better" discussions

[stiff hornet]

I'd still rather explore that than a tiny town consisting of three streets

[west nest]

Has alpha 2 ever even been promised?

I don't remember a single thing about the alpha times.

[bleak monolith]

I’m not, I’m saying it’s not worth it, half of the server is dead stuck to it passionate about it, thinking it’s gonna help the community (sadly you guys are some of them).

[stiff hornet]

I'm pretty sure it was supposed to come out in early 2021

[dawn spruce]

dude

the main reason fg is getting hate is because people think alpha 2 is the amazing awesome build that is the perfect hn game

people would be way more accepting of fg if they knew the issues with alpha 2

[stiff hornet]

if alpha 2 is released, then not only will we finally see what it was like and prove that it isn't the best thing in the world, but we'll also finally be able to get old art assets that were never released

[dawn spruce]

also it would be "new" content to mess around with

[bleak monolith]

No, people think it’s great, why? Because they want to see it in action, they believe it’s worth playing, if they release it, not only will they see the buggy mess it is, but they will backfire more, on how Alexus barley did shit even in A2, throwing the HN community into another frenzy, more shot videos from YTbers saying vids like “another failure”, that’s the problem, I will state this again and this is something in affect on you guys the most, Someone once said this, forgot there name tag, but they said: “The people who want A2, are the people who barely understand its history”

[dawn spruce]

“another failure”

those people are just dumb

[bleak monolith]

Ok

Your on track

That’s why

It throws the community into a frenzy

Before getting hate more

[dawn spruce]

dude its an old unreleased build

[bleak monolith]

And then HN is more dead

[dawn spruce]

people would have to be dumb for being mad for getting what they wanted

[stiff hornet]

it's an ALPHA
people know it's buggy. people just want to see what could've been

[dawn spruce]

🤦‍♂️

its not even gonna affect the full game

[west nest]

Most likely deleted.

[dawn spruce]

the only way people would be more mad if alpha 2 was actually good

which it isnt

[bleak monolith]

How many times do I need to state this, it doesn’t F//cling matter, half of the community wants it and glorified it.

[bleak monolith]

Not the point

[dawn spruce]

they people also hate hn2 fg

giving them a reality check might make them respect the final game more

[bleak monolith]

@quaint pilot, where are you when I need you?

[stiff hornet]

we want it to see what it's like! we know it's buggy - not only is it an alpha, but it's a Hello Neighbor game for God's sake!

[dawn spruce]

bro is asking for backup because he is loosing an argument 💀

[bleak monolith]

Yeah, brings more hate, they will see how shit it was even in the Alphas.

[bleak monolith]

No, it’s because he actually knows more about A2

Perfect guy to bring in here

[west nest]

He has arrived.

[dawn spruce]

releasing it would make people shut up about it

and it would also give us more info on the development of the game

[west nest]

All I know about A2 is that it's an early version of the beta or the full game.

[bleak monolith]

Highly doubt that, I give up on you guys, since you guys clearly saw one video of gameplay of it and decided thats enough research to back up your claims.

[bleak monolith]

Kinda

[west nest]

Is A2 really even its actual name?

[bleak monolith]

Sucks people will cling into there beliefs and never let go

[dawn spruce]

you cant really compare the beta and alpha 2

[stiff hornet]

we don't have the actual name, plus it would be a natural continuation set up by 1.5

[bleak monolith]

Yes, though it’s build name was Neighborarea.

[dawn spruce]

especially since the beta was made in a couple of months

[bleak monolith]

False

[dawn spruce]

according to alexus becoming lead dev not long before the beta came out

[bleak monolith]

It was made in the span of 6 months

[dawn spruce]

meaning it was rushed

[dawn spruce]

what?

Im pretty sure theres evidence against that

[stiff hornet]

no, it was made in two months

[dawn spruce]

like the fact alexus became lead dev like 2 months prior or something

[bleak monolith]

They had teasers for it going back as far as 6 months, while the game wasn’t complete, they’ve been working on it for a while.

[stiff hornet]

Proof?? the only HN2 new art teasers I remember were from around november-december

[bleak monolith]

Alright here we go

Lemme find some

[west nest]

https://youtu.be/LU1KjOhyato This is the early beta.
I am not sure if this is the oldest one, though.

[devout thorn]

it's interesting how in the deep dive it the attic wasn't our goal

but it was the glowing blue door near the garage

they had some concept art for it too

[bleak monolith]

#teasers message

Love how there’s no research from you guys

[stiff hornet]

museum had been around since e3

[bleak monolith]

Nope since A2.

[dawn spruce]

alexus only became lead dev 2 months before the beta

wait

[bleak monolith]

Yeah?

[dawn spruce]

coolwing

[stiff hornet]

hideout was gray manor back then

[stiff hornet]

yes?

[dawn spruce]

when you say alpha 2

which version of it?

theres on with gray manor

the other is with the museum?

[bleak monolith]

No, the Museum as a building has been around since A2.

[dawn spruce]

or would we call that alpha 3??? (this is a joke)

[bleak monolith]

There’s none with Museum.

[dawn spruce]

gray manor???

[stiff hornet]

I would say the version with gray manor

[west nest]

Is "gray manor" a file name?

[dawn spruce]

I cant believe I needed to specify that im joking here

[stiff hornet]

a fan given name since we never got an official name

[west nest]

Oh.

[bleak monolith]

What?, that was the official name wth

[west nest]

I'm pretty sure its name is just Hideout.

[dawn spruce]

its a manor that is gray

[stiff hornet]

alexus was the only one to refer to it as the gray manor I'm pretty sure

[bleak monolith]

Adam literally uses the name, he first used it, it was the official name.

[bleak monolith]

No

[stiff hornet]

he never used it in any of the trailers

[bleak monolith]

He used it in the discord as far back as E3 I believe.

Well

I’m done with this chat

[stiff hornet]

Adam isn't the one that names the locations

[bleak monolith]

(Barely anyone has info nor research)

[bleak monolith]

He follows TB guidelines

[west nest]

This is getting pretty boring, so I'm just going to go.

[bleak monolith]

That was the name

That’s why he referred to the Museum as both Musuem and Hideout

[dawn spruce]

this doesnt mean this is the beta lmao

[stiff hornet]

so? the dev team is the one that names the locations

[dawn spruce]

they could have just reused the house

just like did in fg?

[stiff hornet]

if he uses a name he came up with..so? the name isn't confirmed yet

[bleak monolith]

Yeah?, and he follows the guidelines, that’s where he got the names so he doesn’t cause mismatch.

[bleak monolith]

No.

Just no.

[bleak monolith]

Wth are you on?

[west nest]

It's pretty clearly the beta.

[bleak monolith]

That’s a beta teaser

It’s even part of the beta build

Love people who don’t research

Makes my day

Anyways I’m out

[stiff hornet]

@bleak monolith this was in september/october

[dawn spruce]

call people dumb
leave

[west nest]

He didn't call you dumb.

[bleak monolith]

Of 2021

6 months before the official launch

[stiff hornet]

yeah, that's about two-three months before the beta was finished

the beta was finished in december

[bleak monolith]

December, January, February, April.

4 months

Not 1-2 months like you guys said

[stiff hornet]

yeah, four months from launch
it was finished in December

[bleak monolith]

People can’t stop clinging on there beliefs

[stiff hornet]

plus, are you ignoring the fact I disproved your point about the teaser being posted in february?

[bleak monolith]

Yeah? Not 1-2 months like you guys said.

[bleak monolith]

In February?, when did I say that?

[stiff hornet]

development started in september/October, finished in december, launched in April

[stiff hornet]

the post you linked to of tiny crow reposting the beta teaser

[dawn spruce]

you do realise they dont just instantly release the builds when they finish them?

hgp was a year old when we got it

[stiff hornet]

same with the first few HN1 alphas

[bleak monolith]

Ohhh, and where do you guys know when they finished development, also Dev teams don’t just finish production early lower than 4 months, thats not normal.

I’m having a brain drain trying to figure out where you guys get this “research”

[stiff hornet]

the beta was slapped together using assets from several HN games to trick people into pre-ordering

[bleak monolith]

Yeah, it was posted November.

[stiff hornet]

you were trying to say that it was posted a long time before the beta finished development

[bleak monolith]

Doesn’t prove finishing development, and plus, they were actively working on it in may from what I remember.

[bleak monolith]

Yeah, we don’t know when they finished it at all.

[stiff hornet]

yeah they worked a bit on it in May to update it, but that's an update

[bleak monolith]

You cant just say we know when.

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[stiff hornet]

aside from stuff like picking up the gun and the mayor's key being in otto's house, the footage of the game in December looks almost identical to the release in april

[bleak monolith]

We don’t know it’s development status, we don’t know that?

[west nest]

Probably earlier than September since they uploaded the gameplay deep dive on the 14th of September.

[bleak monolith]

Not really

I mean map wise yeah

But we don’t know it’s dev status

Anyways I’m bored and I’m done with listening to this (there’s no research)

[stiff hornet]

the deep dive might be the beta, but it could also be that weird in-between build of gray manor alpha 2 and the beta

[west nest]

The most likely thing is it being an early version of the beta.

[bleak monolith]

It was early beta

E3 was pre beta

[west nest]

E3 is an actual build?

[stiff hornet]

aside from the museum, there is nothing pointing to the E3 build being an early beta

[west nest]

Oh.

[west nest]

He edited it.

[bleak monolith]

From what we know, no, but might have had versions.

It was a build, but was one of the video production builds.

[west nest]

Is there any footage of it?

[bleak monolith]

Only E3

[quaint pilot]

Here

[west nest]

It's fully animated, so it might not be a build.

[stiff hornet]

e3 has a few gameplay clips

[quaint pilot]

Let's be honest, if alpha 2 was actually released, people are not gonna care about and will ignore it after a week of playing alpha 2

[dawn spruce]

guys delete the thread this guy will get alpha 2 for us

[quaint pilot]

Plus, we don't even know if alpha 2 was meant to be good for its gameplay sakes

[quaint pilot]

Man, obsessions

[dawn spruce]

just like a new hn2 patch!!

[quaint pilot]

Yes, alpha 2 is like a Mashup of a patch, I agree

[dawn spruce]

the idea coolwing is saying is that they release alpha 2 to distract people while they work on another patch

(giving them more time)

[stiff hornet]

I mainly posted this feedback because it would give the devs some breathing room to develop patches while people played alpha 2
modders and fangame devs would also be able to get more old art assets

[quaint pilot]

Right, but here's the case, we don't even know what alpha 2 was gonna have before its final product, all we know is that the footage had great atmosphere, but gameplay that seemed odd

[dawn spruce]

it would still serve as a decent distraction

[stiff hornet]

hello Adam

[quaint pilot]

We are not too sure if the game was meant to be great, even if it is to distract players, just so they can continue with the patches

[dawn spruce]

wait why is adam here

[fathom aspen]

That is true. I do follow guidelines. And names were not my responsibility. I think I was just following the flow and called it that after you guys started calling it Gray manor.

[dawn spruce]

wait this is good ive been meaning to ask adam something about devlog 3

[fathom aspen]

fire away

[dawn spruce]

hey adam can I ask you one thing in dms?

or is asking it here okay?

[fathom aspen]

Feel free to ask here. No worries.

[quaint pilot]

I can see, but it is already too late to release alpha 2 now, especially the cycle of hn that is happening in the past couple of months

[dawn spruce]

kk let me get a photo

[fathom aspen]

If I can answer it, I will.

[west nest]

Or people could maybe play some other games.

[quaint pilot]

Don't forget that no ones gonna care after they play it for 7 straight days a week

[quaint pilot]

That too can actually work really well

[stiff hornet]

just in case a dev sees this feedback:
#1114622268195209216 message

[west nest]

Anyway, the developers can update the game whenever they want.

[dawn spruce]

what does request frequency mean and what determines it? is it the suggestions in #1047329656401035284 ? if so do affect it? or is just how often people talk about the stuff they want to be added

Im a little bit confused about it

and how it works

[fathom aspen]

Request frequency was how many different posts were made on that topic across different forums including discord when I made the tally.

[west nest]

Do you still update the list?

[fathom aspen]

and how many times it was brought up on steam reviews

Nope

<- freelancer

So now that responsibility is up to someone else.

[dawn spruce]

huh

interesting

so steam reviews are being read

good to know

[west nest]

That's pretty cool.

[stiff hornet]

alexus saw mine

[west nest]

What'd he say?

Oh, okay.

[fathom aspen]

What's going on now with the list is not my decision. It's probably getting updated, but just by someone else.

[dawn spruce]

is the list just about potential things they could add? because stuff like this seems like it cant be added unless they change every single model in the game

[quaint pilot]

That def is the reason why he left

[quaint pilot]

Which somehow haven't found a new CM

[fathom aspen]

Hey... could we not talk about my colleagues?

[quaint pilot]

Wasn't...

[dawn spruce]

this is getting off topic

[quaint pilot]

Anyways, alpha 2

[dawn spruce]

ah yes

[fathom aspen]

it was earlier, but just saying let's keep it on topic

[dawn spruce]

anyway so umm

[stiff hornet]

all I said was that he saw the review

[quaint pilot]

Alpha 2 neighbor the hello

[dawn spruce]

speaking of devlog 3

[quaint pilot]

Read the message above you

[dawn spruce]

will there ever be another devlog?

[quaint pilot]

Not sure

[fathom aspen]

We'll find out.

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-gif-3483826

[dawn spruce]

I would love if there was more communication

[quaint pilot]

It doesn't look like a devlog will be added, especially how completed the devlog trilogy js

[dawn spruce]

everything we have so far is vague

[stiff hornet]

I'd said that he saw my review that talked about him
I don't feel that bringing it up is offensive

[dawn spruce]

and like the roadmap for the switch updates is like a month late now....

I just really wanna hear more from the team

[west nest]

I think it'd be really cool if actual EGS developers would pop in and answer some questions.

[quaint pilot]

Look at the message above you again, and tell me how are the users reaction...

[fathom aspen]

You're not in trouble so no worries. I just wasn't comfortable discussing my coworkers (past and present). Let's move on.

[west nest]

Kind of like how the developers of SN did.

[dawn spruce]

Also where did this map come from? it doesnt match the ingame map

was it made just for the roadmap?

[west nest]

Adam made it.

[fathom aspen]

That one I designed from scratch

[dawn spruce]

ah it looks nice I guess

[fathom aspen]

Wanted to go for a magazine cutout aesthetic

[dawn spruce]

ah

[west nest]

You did a good job at that.

[quaint pilot]

The most hardworking effort:

[fathom aspen]

Thank you. I figured if it looks ugly and a little chaotic, I can get away with it by making it look jagged as if someone cut it with scissors. Glad to see it worked.

[dawn spruce]

I wonder what is taking it longer than expected

[quaint pilot]

The people who work on the switch port are 5 members

I think I've heard that

[west nest]

Correct.

[quaint pilot]

Or is it that they hired wrong members

[fathom aspen]

Honestly, when it comes to certification on platforms things happen all the time. The roadmap was designed to give ballpark ranges and goals to hit. But even then these things were subject to change.

[quaint pilot]

Oh

[west nest]

You can see it in the end credits for HN2.

[quaint pilot]

Tbh, I never cared about the credits

[west nest]

Hey, Adam.
Have you ever spoken to any EGS developers?
It's fine if you don't want to answer.

[fathom aspen]

Regarding alpha 2, I was an intern / on my trial run with the company when it was in development.

[quaint pilot]

Especially after seeing the "youtubers" being credited

[fathom aspen]

Yes, several times.

[west nest]

Thankfully the YouTubers got moved down to the bottom.

[west nest]

Cool!

[dawn spruce]

you got to play it from what I can tell?

[fathom aspen]

When Patch 5 launched, I was chatting with them for several hours reporting bugs and issues long after my work day had finished. haha

So yeah, we were in close contact.

[quaint pilot]

I would've preferred it being removed

[west nest]

I mean, they did kind of build up more hype around the games, so I can understand why they credited the YouTubers.

[fathom aspen]

I saw "incomplete builds", but the most polished version used for footage was sent to me in video format. So technically, I didn't play it.

[stiff hornet]

they didn't need to credit VGN and Trinity & Beyond

[dawn spruce]

huh

[warped jacinth]

Hey, any rough idea when the next update for console is releasing ?

[west nest]

I remember when you told me and some others this.

[fathom aspen]

Before an alpha or beta is launched, there are several builds made for testing and just to see what things look like. Standard procedure in the video game industry.

[quaint pilot]

I still don't see why mention them, when they could've removed them, and none of it would've created a conflict around the community (especially me)

[dawn spruce]

is there a chance that would ever be able to see more of alpha 2? I find the development of games in general to be really interesting and I wanna know more about hn2

hello neighbor letting players play the older builds is a huge reason why im a fan to begin with

[dawn spruce]

I assume there was never a singular "alpha 2" build

[fathom aspen]

It wouldn't be my call, but I'm guessing it's unlikely.

[dawn spruce]

and what we have seen is just a bunch of stuff around the time alpha 2 was being made?

[stiff hornet]

and that's why I made this feedback thread
to try and increase the likeliness

[dawn spruce]

would be a shame

[fathom aspen]

Well there are "published" builds and then there are testing builds. But that's at every company.

[devout thorn]

hi adam

[dawn spruce]

I wonder if alpha 2 did release would it contain gray manor? because it seems like most of it was fake

and a lot of rooms in the trailers werent actually in it from what I could tell?

that or it has a confusing layout

[fathom aspen]

Dunno. I've only seen footage. Never played it.

[fathom aspen]

Hi Jolly

[devout thorn]

the most interesting part is in the devlog 1 video it both showed the museum and the gray manor I think

[dawn spruce]

the last floor from what ive seen in official stuff is deffinetly non playable due to the window being the same as background houses from that time

[dawn spruce]

odd

[stiff hornet]

yeah it did

[west nest]

Adam, what do you think about HNVR?
Or have you not had the chance to play it yet?

[dawn spruce]

how do seperate the alpha 2 versions with and without the museum?

[fathom aspen]

Alright y'all, ig2g grab dinner.

[devout thorn]

the museum didn't really change

cya adam

[dawn spruce]

cya adam it was nice talking with you

[warped jacinth]

@fathom aspen

[fathom aspen]

Have a good one

[devout thorn]

you too

[dawn spruce]

let him eat dinner 💀

[warped jacinth]

any idea when the next console update is coming xxxx

[devout thorn]

he isn't a developer

[west nest]

He doesn't know.

[quaint pilot]

Hes not gonna ask

[stiff hornet]

I think gray manor was made for trailers, and the museum was going to be elaborated on in future builds, but then you-know-what happened

[fathom aspen]

Not in my department, but when it's ready they'll announce it.

[west nest]

?

[fathom aspen]

I'm strictly video (on retainer with tB)

[warped jacinth]

oh okay thanks anyway

[fathom aspen]

I haven't played it yet but I plan to

Looks cool

[warped jacinth]

it’s great

[dawn spruce]

oh I hope you enjoy it

[devout thorn]

this is the longest thread in 2nd place with #1114263599523835997 lol

[dawn spruce]

its easily my favorite hello neighbor game