near surge
I have made a Google Document outlining how Hello Neighbor 2 could be brought back into the spotlight. I hope you read it, and give as much feedback as possible so I can improve it further.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wY6D1p7xIzw7EbG6LyhuHorkDlYH03zxJGxfag12LsI/edit?usp=sharing
Please give me your feedback so I can potentially make corrections, change my wording for certain things, etc. I want this post to be the best it can possibly be.
deft swan
I honestly agree the game needs major overhauls aswell
and the console players shouldnt have to wait for updates that pc players had for months
tribal crag
Oh Alex…🙂, oh TinyBuild, oh Eerie Guest Studios and oh Madorium-
keen ether
Bro is dutch van der linde
near surge
Bro is dutch van der linde
Real...
tribal crag
Also, I don't think it'll earn its second chance after what happened to the launch release
tribal crag
I doubt any of this will work
deft swan
Oh Alex…🙂, oh TinyBuild, oh Eerie Guest Studios and oh Madorium-
what this has nothing to do with the suggestion?
tribal crag
what this has nothing to do with the suggestion?
Its a meme
tribal crag
Bro is dutch van der linde
Truly the freezing AI of all time 🥶🥶🥶
lucid vault
i think this is a good suggestion!
i hope more people reacts to this, so the devs see this
tribal crag
Idk how can it work, especially how little chances of the growth for HN2 are
deft swan
I really want the game to be good without something drastic I doubt hn2 will get far
deft swan
Idk how can it work, especially how little chances of the growth for HN2 are
can we try to be optimistic for once?
tribal crag
Plus, by the time this gets noted by the mods, I don't think the people who work on the game will try to use these steps
near surge
the payoff will be worth it.
tribal crag
can we try to be optimistic for once?
We can't, not after what happened to the release and the roadmap
deft swan
This series of steps is bold, and risky.
honestly the best thing they can do is try to pull off a "no mans sky" type of thing
otherwise people arent gonna even bother with future hn content
tribal crag
No man's sky was lucky because it was literally just one game that made an error and decided to go backup
near surge
A "No Man's Sky" kind of deal may not work in this scenario.
tribal crag
With its big updates and issues resolvements
near surge
Trust is already low, so pulling of something THIS BOLD will bring the community back in.
deft swan
A "No Man's Sky" kind of deal may not work in this scenario.
unfortunate
tribal crag
A "No Man's Sky" kind of deal may not work in this scenario.
It won't, remember how HN1 was handled with its alphas to the full release? We were gonna give them a second chance with HN2, and that didn't do well again
deft swan
It won't, remember how HN1 was handled with its alphas to the full release? We w...
what happend with hn2 was argueably worse if im honest
tribal crag
what happend with hn2 was argueably worse if im honest
It was
near surge
Trust is already low, so pulling of something THIS BOLD will bring the community...
We usually don't think this stuff will happen. If it DOES, the community will notice.
Besides, imagine the publicity?
tribal crag
Before with HN1, it was just AI issues and others, but it did improve a bit, unlike the alphas
near surge
'Hello Neighbor 2 pulls a No Mans Sky'
'Hello Neighbor 2 is... actually good now?'
If this works, it would pay off MASSIVELY.
tribal crag
However with HN2, it used HN1 methods, by making it even more worse, such as false advertising and misleading promos and hell, the open world follow-up
keen ether
Everyone's standards are so low for hn2 I feel like any but of new content to the game will make people insanely happy
I know it would for me
tribal crag
Only for a few minutes
near surge
However with HN2, it used HN1 methods, by making it even more worse, such as fal...
DevLogs are the solution here. They can show the community what's been cooking. In HN2's new state, it won't change drastically overnight AGAIN. They've already made that mistake.
They will have at least learned from THAT.
tribal crag
Only for a few minutes
Because once those few minutes are over, you won't even care to try the game, and you will just forget it
deft swan
Everyone's standards are so low for hn2 I feel like any but of new content to th...
I just want stuff that was promised
lucid vault
Not with its reviews
They are going to be probably re-reviews
tribal crag
They will have at least learned from THAT.
Which is impossible, especially from the CEO
keen ether
Agreed
tribal crag
They are going to be probably re-reviews
We'll make sure
near surge
They HAVE to take a leap of faith to get our trust back.
And if it works, the company will reap the benefits.
keen ether
Yeah
keen ether
They are lucky we are giving them so much chances to be honest
deft swan
It's all-or-nothing.
if hn2 doesnt improve im not giving hn another chance
tribal crag
I'm not even giving them a chance
clear raven
I think this list is missing a crucial part of the process. They need to stop focusing on the Animated Series.
keen ether
Very true
deft swan
if hn2 doesnt improve im not giving hn another chance
and I feel like most people would agree with me here
its already bad enough that the lore was messed up
tribal crag
If they proof to me that they are worthy to show big content and etc, then I will believe them, but I won't care or give them a chance
deft swan
but hn 2 is full of broken promises and thats just sad
keen ether
and I feel like most people would agree with me here
There's nothing they can do to stop me from being a fan, but I'm not saying I'll still buy their games and stuff
lucid vault
I think this list is missing a crucial part of the process. ***They need to stop...
well, better Tinybuild has to stop focusing on the AS, and helping egs on making the game better
near surge
I think this list is missing a crucial part of the process. ***They need to stop...
I would post that but it would be uhhh
past the character limit lol
I might as well make a google doc for this.
deft swan
There's nothing they can do to stop me from being a fan, but I'm not saying I'll...
I mean you can still enjoy the old lore
clear raven
I think this list is missing a crucial part of the process. ***They need to stop...
Let HN2 tell its own story without things needing to connect (badly) to some animated series nobody cares about.
deft swan
even tho it doesnt have a conclusion...
keen ether
I mean you can still enjoy the old lore
True
deft swan
Let HN2 tell its own story without things needing to connect (badly) to some ani...
the only people I see care about the animated series are people actively hating it for destroying already established lore and replacing it with something worse
tribal crag
the only people I see care about the animated series are people actively hating ...
Alex:
near surge
I am now pulling an Adam, and am making a document
no wait that was a google sheets
uhhh nvm
deft swan
He might be promoting it but like I dont think he honestly cares
still i want hn2 to be good
I want them to improve it
near surge
someone do me a favor
does anyone have the HN2 Diary Pinboard BG?
I wanna make it the doc background
(I like being fancy with my docs)
clear raven
I do but I'm not on my PC rn
tribal crag
I mean does he?
Yes
near surge
nvm I have it
I will change the post to the document link shortly once i'm done making a couple changes.
nvm I forgot google docs doesn't let you change the bg to an image, that's just google slides
near surge
Would you like me to remove that section?
deft swan
Would you like me to remove that section?
I feel like thats asking for too much
considering they have done alot of it already
plus we know how much alex likes the AS
near surge
Gonna put this up for a vote since RedCard suggested I add that part
Okay, so.
Do I remove Section 4, or no?
deft swan
Do I remove Section 4, or no?
I feel like its an unrealistic request
and it lowers the chances of the suggestion being listened to
deft swan
Nobody else is really responding to this, so
give it time
deft swan
alright, i'll give it a couple more minutes.
maybe ping the other people in this post?
deft swan
clear raven
I guess you win?
Well well well
near surge
or not
deft swan
I hate ties
near surge
Guess to break it, share your reasoning?
clear raven
My reasoning for that section staying is that, while yes, it's not likely gonna happen, I think none of these suggestions will actually end up happening, so you might as well remind them that little bit more that we don't care about the AS.
deft swan
My reasoning for that section staying is that, while yes, it's not likely gonna ...
ehh
it ruins the chances of the suggestion being listened to at all by A LOT
clear raven
Well like I said, they might not even care about it either way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far, despite that list Adam showed in the 3rd Dev Log, they haven't really done anything based on community feedback.
clear raven
It affects HN2
deft swan
not the company
deft swan
It affects HN2
the devs probably dont have a say with the AS
near surge
That's a fair point. I want HN2 to get better, and for the devs to take their time. Not for the AS to get cancelled. That'll just be a thing that exists and I don't think many people can stop it.
(sadly)
clear raven
the devs probably dont have a say with the AS
You cannot tell me Alex doesn't see the feedback too.
He's in charge of the devs and what they end up doing with the game.
deft swan
You cannot tell me Alex doesn't see the feedback too.
I dont think he personally looks at it
anyway
they spent money on the AS
clear raven
Ideally we would need some sort of AS feedback section but that doesn't exist, sadly. This is the next best way to try and let tB know that they should stop focusing on the AS. And like I said, while this feedback is for the devs, the AS does still affect HN2.
deft swan
and its clearly far along
near surge
I personally believe that everyone's concerns are valid
The AS does partially affect HN2 in regards to story
deft swan
asking them to pause them is an unreasonable demand
near surge
and Alex might not even read this.
deft swan
and Alex might not even read this.
not might
probably not
has he ever read feedback?
near surge
Not that I know of
clear raven
He might not read it directly, but surely he's told about certain pieces of feedback, since the devs can't just collect feedback, and plan to add it into the game without their boss's approval.
near surge
Both of you make good points but
there IS a chance the feedback will still partially get acknowledged by someone ANYWAY
regardless of if it's there or not
or if it's even brought up to Alex
I feel like RedCard "wins" in this scenario. Sorry.
deft swan
welp this suggestion will be most likely shot down
im sorry but that 4th demand is just asking too much of tb
near surge
Nevermind, you're right too
I don't know who wins the tie break or not
both of you have like, REALLY good points
deft swan
https://wheelofnames.com
thats what I do when I cant decide
clear raven
Yeah but I'm not done
clear raven
If only the devs see it, they can simply skip over the AS part, since they already skip a ton of feedback that they don't like, or know won't be added to the game.
And if they bring the AS part to Alex, ... he'll most likely just ignore it and pretend the AS is God like he already does, whilst also being reminded deep down that we hate it. Basically I don't see a reason for it to not be there. I don't think everything here will be overlooked just because of that one section about the AS.
deft swan
If only the devs see it, they can simply skip over the AS part, since they alrea...
its a waste of time still then?
like you said
it will be ignored
near surge
I don't want this to turn into a massive argument so I just let RNG decide.
Congrats, RedCard!
deft swan
you are ignoring the fact that brings down the chances of the whole being listened because a point that wont give us anything
near surge
I'm not.
deft swan
welp this suggestion was wasted
near surge
both of you have good points.
Wdym WASTED
It's just RNG.
Both of you had good points
I didn't want this to turn into a massive argument
deft swan
Wdym WASTED
I doubt they will listen to it
near surge
so I left it to random choice
deft swan
especially when you put in a demand thats 100% gonna get rejected
clear raven
I don't understand why you think that one little section about the AS will result in the entire rest of the feedback being completely ignored.
deft swan
that makes everything else look more unreasonable in comparison
deft swan
I don't understand why you think that one little section about the AS will resul...
it will make the entire thing look more unreasonable
I dont wanna make unreasonable demands right next to some good ones
it makes the good ones look bad also
clear raven
Ok this makes no sense.
deft swan
Ok this makes no sense.
I mean seeing the development of hn2 it also makes no sense why stuff like paint cans were cut despite them working fine
clear raven
What does that have to do with this? 😭
deft swan
What does that have to do with this? 😭
tb and egs work in weird ways
and the AS aint going anywhere at the moment
its a demand that will 100% be ignored
and will make the whole thing look unreasonable to certain people
the post itself is asking them to take a risk
then they mention the AS
they already spent money on it
and the episodes have been worked on
they will loose money (probably if they listen to it)
and will make everything else seem bad cuss its grouped together
deft swan
they will loose money (probably if they listen to it)
even tho nobody actually likes the AS
near surge
I'm sorry that I can't please everyone. I made this suggestion for THIS exact reason.
People just keep fighting all the time due to HN2's failure.
The community's become more
hostile
I wanted that to CHANGE by suggesting this.
deft swan
I just want this suggestion to have a chance of being listened to
clear raven
Just because it's unreasonable doesn't mean it has to be removed.
Like you said earlier, the devs are the main people who will look at feedback.
And the devs can simply ignore the AS part.
They won't think the entire list of feedback is whack just because of that.
deft swan
deft swan
Just because it's unreasonable doesn't mean it has to be removed.
Like you said ...
as I said it makes everything look more unreasonable in comparison
near surge
I'm genuinely trying to listen to feedback. Both of you have GOOD POINTS
and there's only the two of you here.
The tie would likely be broken if everyone else was in here
deft swan
which just sabotages the whole suggestion
for no real gain
you yourself said it wont do anything
best case scenario alex will hear "people dont like the AS" (which he probably already knows) and continue doing what he is doing
theres litterally no gain here
clear raven
That's how these things go.
deft swan
That's how these things go.
you just sabotaged a good suggestion
clear raven
There's no reason to stop voicing our dislike for the AS, and that is exactly what you're saying we should do.
deft swan
There's no reason to stop voicing our dislike for the AS, and that is exactly wh...
it doesnt even fit
this suggestion is for HN2
the AS has no reason to even be mentioned
this hn2 feedback
even tho we hate the AS this isnt even a suitable place to mention it
clear raven
I said this at the start. The AS affects HN2 in a negative way.
deft swan
I said this at the start. **The AS affects HN2 in a negative way.**
the devs cant do anything about it
and from what I can tell alex is dead set on it
near surge
my head is killing me already, and I don't want people hating eachother here
so i'm just gonna leave it up to RNG again.
I can't please everyone, i'm sorry.
I wish I COULD
clear raven
Just include it.
clear raven
Omfg 😭
deft swan
since it isnt even hn2
near surge
deft swan
this feedback for the game
clear raven
Lookie lookie
deft swan
not the franchise as a whole
near surge
I'm sorry, but for once I'm gonna put my foot down. This is the final decision.
I don't want any more fighting between people.
clear raven
Thank you
near surge
I don't like this cycle of constant negativity.
The community used to be better than this.
deft swan
I just feel like constantly bashing the AS and have it be included makes the whole idea seem worse
especially since it isnt even hn2
near surge
wdym constantly bashing the AS
I just said to temporarily halt it.
Besides, it allows for the episodes to be...
deft swan
I just said to temporarily halt it.
that would cause no real gain
near surge
1 - Higher Quality
2 - for future episodes to be planned out
deft swan
fans want it gone
near surge
and for HN2 to get breathing room
deft swan
1 - Higher Quality
2 - for future episodes to be planned out
they probably are most already done with like over half of season 1 💀
its too late to make last minute changes
everything seems to be too far along from what I can tell
clear raven
This post is literally about re-announcing an entire game, and you're saying they can't make last minute changes to a crappy animated series?
deft swan
anyway RedCard (unintentionally) sabotaged the chances of this suggestion
and I find that quite dissapointing
it seems just rather childish if im honest
deft swan
This post is literally about re-announcing an entire game, and you're saying the...
do you have any ideas how these things work?
it isnt that simple
clear raven
it seems just rather childish if im honest
Bro is seriously still acting like the AS section will ruin the entire rest of the feedback what the hell 😭
deft swan
and they would loose money
deft swan
Bro is seriously still acting like the AS section will ruin the entire rest of t...
it will make the whole thing look like its an unreasonable demand
clear raven
No it literally wont
clear raven
No it literally wont
And the more you say it will, the higher the chance that Jacky will lock this thread.
deft swan
halting the AS wont do any good
fans want it gone. tb wants money off it
near surge
I don't want this thread to be locked
tribal crag
do you think they wanna loose MORE?
With the releases of episodes for the AS, and the amount of budget they'll waste for few patches of HN2, yes
deft swan
the middle option will satisfy no one
near surge
I just wanted to have HN2 be potentially good, this is all the idea was FOR
I literally just wanted the constant cycle of negativity to END
I hate that everyone is bickering
deft swan
I just wanted to have HN2 be potentially good, this is all the idea was FOR
this is supposed to be a hn2 suggestion not the whole franchise
tribal crag
I literally just wanted the constant cycle of negativity to END
It won't work after what's happening to the company and the game
deft swan
I've said this multiple times now
the devs. cant. do. anything. about it.
best case scenario they work around the issues
near surge
Look, I don't want this thread to be locked.
deft swan
this just childish
near surge
ALL OF THIS is childish.
clear raven
the devs. cant. do. anything. about it.
The AS part isn't about the devs holy shit 😭
tribal crag
best case scenario they work around the issues
Which the likely case is them losing more money, and then the company gets bankruptcy
deft swan
the 4th suggestion isnt even hn related
deft swan
The AS part isn't about the devs holy shit 😭
the whole point of these feedbacks are for the devs and the game
I cant do this anymore it just feels like im argueing with a wall
clear raven
The game which is being affected by the AS, and maybe if the devs see that we want the AS to slow down, so HN2 can speed up, they might just poke their boss about it.
clear raven
I cant do this anymore it just feels like im argueing with a wall
I could same the same for you.
deft swan
oh god
deft swan
The game which is being affected by the AS, and *maybe* if the devs see that we ...
do you think people like poking their bosses?
near surge
How the actual hell did we get 300 messages already?
tribal crag
How the actual hell did we get 300 messages already?
It fit like 50 to 100 messages
deft swan
your the guy who is asking an entire company to halt work on an entire thing
in place meant to leave feedback for a game
clear raven
your the guy who is asking an entire company to halt work on an entire thing
That's Michael, actually.
deft swan
I dont want this to be locked can we just agree to shut up about this and discuss the other things?
near surge
YES.
Thsi.
*this
Let's just do something else for now, I don't want this thread to get locked.
tribal crag
I dont want this to be locked can we just agree to shut up about this and discus...
Idk how will the next topic work, I swear
deft swan
(I still think its a bad idea that will ruin the whole thing but I cant do anything about it)
ok so how could they rework the game then?
tribal crag
It really is, and I'm glad you acknowledged it
clear raven
your the guy who is asking an entire company to halt work on an entire thing
Sorry but I'm not done here. You're the guy who keeps saying they'll ignore the entire list of feedback simply because of one particular section within it which makes no sense whatsoever.
deft swan
Sorry but I'm not done here. You're the guy who keeps saying they'll ignore the ...
OMG
can we please
near surge
Please could we all just get along for ONE SECOND?
clear raven
Ok Twisted Brick Wall.
near surge
This franchise has turned us into negative people.
near surge
I don't want it getting worse
deft swan
dog :)
tribal crag
This franchise has turned us into negative people.
We should move away from this franchise and just move on
clear raven
Let's move on! We are a happy family and we don't talk about the AS because you should totally give up on voicing your opinion that's such a great idea best idea I've ever heard yeah giving up on voicing your opinion is soooo coooooll
tribal crag
no your mom
deft swan
ok so @near surge can you elaborate and what changes do you think would work best?
near surge
?
tribal crag
Let's move on! We are a happy family and we don't talk about the AS because you ...
⬆️
near surge
changes for what
deft swan
changes for what
the game?
deft swan
Let's move on! We are a happy family and we don't talk about the AS because you ...
you should totally give up on voicing your opinion
im saying this is nowhere near to being a suitable place to mention it
near surge
So the devs had time to listen to everyone's feedback, and cook whatever's coming up all in one, big package.
I'm tempted to just give up and delete this thread.
tribal crag
What is this pricing for?
deft swan
I'm tempted to just give up and delete this thread.
please dont
clear raven
> you should totally give up on voicing your opinion
im saying this is nowhere n...
There is no place to mention it though.
near surge
My head is hurting, and I hate that everyone's fighting.
tribal crag
I'm tempted to just give up and delete this thread.
I mean, this whole point won't work on the devs side
near surge
We're almost at 400 messages, and I don't want this place being locked.
tribal crag
There's no hope
deft swan
My head is hurting, and I hate that everyone's fighting.
he is refusing to move on its not my fault.
ok lets just
ignore it
k?
clear raven
he is refusing to move on its not my fault.
Pretty sure you repeated yourself more than me but ok. Whatever you think.
deft swan
Pretty sure you repeated yourself more than me but ok. Whatever you think.
read the room
we arent talking about it anymore. either we stop talking or we mention other things about the suggestion
near surge
363 messages. What the hell happened here
deft swan
363 messages. What the hell happened here
we need to clam down
tribal crag
363 messages. What the hell happened here
We skipped a generation here
near surge
Agreed. Let's just calm down. We don't need more negativity.
lethal bramble
yall if you keep saying "ok lets calm down" then continue you just arent changing anything other than filling the chat with your arguments
tribal crag
Your preying on a war, are you?
deft swan
Your preying on a war, are you?
no??
clear raven
Moral of the story: Don't ever ask for feedback on your feedback. Your feedback is yours and you should do only whatever you want with it. @near surge
deft swan
look what can we discuss then?
near surge
I should just delete this thread and start over.
tribal crag
look what can we discuss then?
It said "we skipped a generation here"
near surge
This thread was a warzone
deft swan
Moral of the story: Don't ever ask for feedback on your feedback. Your feedback ...
ok I agree with this
tribal crag
It's a pun for "how much minutes, how many hours, or how many nunbers"
tribal crag
wait can we repost stuff?
🤣
near surge
This chat has been arguing for a long while, I don't want things getting worse by new people coming in and seeing this.
tribal crag
Reposting drama
deft swan
This chat has been arguing for a long while, I don't want things getting worse b...
look we just need to stop.
if we want to mention something important
we will mention it
near surge
okay then.
clear raven
This chat has been arguing for a long while, I don't want things getting worse b...
This conversation, while awful, is now part of the server's history, and unless deleted by someone like Jacky, I don't want it gone.
deft swan
okay then.
👍
tribal crag
This conversation, while awful, is now part of the server's history, and unless ...
We need this to be up, so in the future, when the company is going bankrupt, they can use their little money to spent on ads and etc, just to only get nobodies attention, and defunctuate
deft swan
this isnt related to the suggestion
clear raven
Message for mods or Jacky if they see this: "I wasted too much time here you can't just delete it all."
tribal crag
this isnt related to the suggestion
Hn2 could've saved it, if they had time to polish the game and etc before
deft swan
lets agree to not post anything here unless we have anything important to say about the suggestion
alr?
clear raven
Uhh speaking of that, it's a little hard to reach from the chat itself so: #1092929874571829308 message
neat pumice
It'll take a LOT to gain people's trust again even a little bit
heavy nexus
In case anyone didn’t know the “not to be rude but you could be sued” thread was took down by the owner of it and left the community. It wasn’t deleted by mods or TB. Seeing how long that thread lasted getting to 3000 messages I don’t think this thread would be removed but only by the owner of it.
tribal crag
Good thing he left if he's gonna remove the most alive thread ever
But what was his user?
brittle cliff
Controversial but smart
brittle cliff
In case anyone didn’t know the “not to be rude but you could be sued” thread was...
Lol I remember that thread
strange geyser
dev logs should be weekly
heavy nexus
But what was his user?
Since your happy he’s gone I’m not sharing the name
deft swan
im sorry but what does this have to do with the suggestion?
heavy nexus
People said the same thing about the other thread about it being part of the servers history and not everyone knew what happened to it.
tribal crag
Since your happy he’s gone I’m not sharing the name
heavy nexus
Someone said something about what if it gets deleted and the point I was making is that it probably wouldn’t.
tribal crag
Nvm, I found the user
strange geyser
weekly updates with ads could work
bi monthly is a little to long
also weekly dev logs cause i love those
deft swan
weekly updates with ads could work
NO
you do realise
the patches
will bassically have nothing in them?
I would rather wait for bigger patches
than get small and insignificant ones every week
also ads??
wdym by ads?
ads in a 40$ games is just 💀
or do you mean advertise the game?
cause they did that
alot
even got mr beast
and look how that turned out
and they cant just burn money to advertise the game
especially after the disaster that was the launch
brittle cliff
weekly updates with ads could work
polar arch
weekly updates with ads could work
bro no
If you want significant content added into HN2, then don't ask for weekly updates
It takes a long time to add significant content to a game, and the devs are already being rushed with monthly updates
they'd be even more burnt out if they were forced to do weekly updates
strange geyser
ok ok ok nvm
lethal bramble
is it just me or is gerda's face kinda different here
tribal crag
is it just me or is gerda's face kinda different here
It probably must've been made by a different person
