Shocking

[vestal saffron]

Remove the game from all markets immediately, it should have never been published in this diabolical state. The game soft locks if you mess up on a puzzle as you can’t reset it and the only option you have left is to reset all of your progress. Not worth the time.

[frank pewter]

When I read things like this I always check the join date. It's always the day it is when I read it.

[balmy flume]

i have never had or seen that happen to anyone

[floral narwhal]

Oh this one reason is why you think it should be removed from markets?

[ruby cedar]

A month later, I can inform you this game is worth the money.

[floral narwhal]

A month later it’s worth 20-30

[valid sky]

I have feeling that this dude but this message because he doesn't like it.

[floral narwhal]

Can you explain a bit better

[pale knoll]

So you mean to tell me that a game that is unfinished, buggy, and just straight up horrendous is worth $40? Bro, just respect yourself

[ruby cedar]

Ahem, patch 1-4 and roadmap, stop talking.

[lunar apex]

You sound like an angry mother ngl

[lunar apex]

Also it’s not at all worth 40 bucks

[craggy tide]

Shills gonna shill

[craggy tide]

Hush up UNTIL the patch comes, easy enough

[ruby cedar]

Bro this guy is a parasite omg I wasnt even talking to you 💀

[ruby cedar]

There already out, just cuz they aren’t on consoles doesn’t mean they don’t exist, this guy is a steam player so he has the patches so go leach on someone else.

[valid magnet]

For consoles they have to wait 2-3 months for a SEMI batch update

[ruby cedar]

Uhh no have you read the roadmap

It’s like 2-3 weeks at most

Maybe

[craggy tide]

exactly

[ruby cedar]

Uhhh… can you read

And there’s also

[craggy tide]

It's nuts how you don't get this.

Quit posting the same thing.

The only real thing we have out there is a buggy game and no update

shills gonna shill

[ruby cedar]

Bro then quit getting mad cuz you can’t handle being patient

[craggy tide]

I was patient until the game release

and then AGAIN when they said mid-Jan console updates

won't be patient with bots like u tho

[ruby cedar]

This feedback was from a steam players perspective not consoles, so you arguing here doesn’t even make sense 💀

[ruby cedar]

Bro can’t handle an indie game 💀

[craggy tide]

LOL so he's giving bad feedback and they are already like 3 updates in

Hollow Knight was an indie game, HN1 was indie.

You can't handle the fact they're getting legitimate complaints because they sold a bad product to console and didn't back it up WITH ANYTHING PHYSICAL YET

[ruby cedar]

Yeah and if you go upwards you can see no one agrees with him, then you pop up and start talking about consoles 💀

[craggy tide]

I read you come in to shill the game and lose interest tbh

[ruby cedar]

And yet people are enjoying the new patches what’s your problem? That people are having fun 💀

Of course it is

[craggy tide]

stay on track there, bot

console doesn't have an update yet 😉

[ruby cedar]

It’s always that one random user

[craggy tide]

the biggest thread in the HN2 feedback section is "Not to be rude but you can be sued" because it's a bad product

you're either on their payroll or you enjoy shilling for some reason

[ruby cedar]

And that was from its release there point made sense that the game released horribly but that user came back and said he was happy with the current state so what’s your problem?

[craggy tide]

haha delusional

[ruby cedar]

So then why are you joining every discussion

[craggy tide]

lol that's rich coming from you

[ruby cedar]

Literally had no business in them and then like “consoles are bad cuz they don’t have the patches” 🤓

[craggy tide]

every negative thread you've shown up with this roadmap pic and some brown on your nose

[ruby cedar]

Even though it’s in a steam players discussion

[ruby cedar]

When💀

I showed that one on the sue one cuz someone asked for it

[craggy tide]

happened like 5 minutes ago, bot

[ruby cedar]

This guy

[craggy tide]

This bot

[ruby cedar]

I said on the sue post?

Not this one

Anyways, continue getting mad if you want over consoles everyday, watch when consoles get a patch your gonna come up with a new argument.

It’s literally a small indie game there’s nothing to get pissed at

[craggy tide]

I could sell you ice in Iceland fr fr

[ruby cedar]

Anyways reply your just a pushed of fan that has nothing else to do

[craggy tide]

Yup, I am pissed. Like all the other console players for having been sold an unfinished product.

[clever holly]

Im not pissed, and i bought HN2 on ps4

[ruby cedar]

This discussion was on the steam version

[craggy tide]

you're more patient than most, but it doesn't invalidate what other consoles are feeling?

[ruby cedar]

Bro other console players would be patient

Instead of going on entirely different discussion and getting mad

[low badge]

How did people felt after they have to wait for the game to be delayed?

[ruby cedar]

Anyways gotta go ima need someone to keep this NPC mad

[craggy tide]

you can't follow a simple line of logic so you don't count

[low badge]

They were "patient"

[craggy tide]

don't worry, devs already did it. You're more like a skin tag

[ruby cedar]

Thx disaiden I’ll count on you until I get home

[low badge]

Don't worry, by the time he's real angry, I won't hesitate to call the mod

[craggy tide]

thanks doll 😉

[ruby cedar]

Lol💀

Gotta go

[craggy tide]

good luck at school

[low badge]

Np Npc

If I see this npc respond again, gonna call the mods

[civic copper]

Whats even going on here anymore

[low badge]

Look at the chat above

[civic copper]

Ah

[craggy tide]

oooh love a good threat from Aidan

[low badge]

Oh how thankful you are to get into deep trouble 😆

[craggy tide]

lol

[low badge]

@rose crater, we have a guy who is harassing people

[craggy tide]

you want to silence a legitimate complaint?

[low badge]

Yes, a legitimate complaint who harasses people

[frank pewter]

Heard this place is quite the hoot

What's going on?

[low badge]

And harassing the devs for not porting any updates onto the consoles, which is disrespectful, as it has to be delayed

[civic copper]

A person is mad because the updates arent on console and is harassing people (at least thats what im gathering from reading the chat)

[low badge]

Just like how the game was delayed before to be in 2022

[civic copper]

I think you(ronzi92) should stop arguing, the updates are coming to console you just need to be patient

[frank pewter]

I'm not surprised that they're mad, console players are being mad disrespected rn

[civic copper]

True

[frank pewter]

But harassing? Grow up, why even bother

[civic copper]

I dont play on console and i’m upset too

[craggy tide]

id love to see where i harassed the devs tbh and curb that

[frank pewter]

I would go looking but 1. I've never looked at this thread and 2. Theres more text in here than there is in the bible

[low badge]

The console update being changed to spring is just like how the game was delayed in 2022 after 2021

[craggy tide]

BUT, until I see a dev or mod tell me that, all I feel I've done is voice complaints and respond to someone whgo has made it a priority to respond to everything I say with "shut your mouth" or "stop complaining.

I look forward to @ruby cedar being moderated

[craggy tide]

more text violence than the old testament too

[frank pewter]

Haha

[craggy tide]

That's all I asked, aidan, wesker, and link, you understand that console players have a right to be upset

[civic copper]

Yes i do

[low badge]

For the lack of updates, yes. But harassing? No!

[craggy tide]

this other dude made it a point to make those console players with complaints feel dumb. That's not right

[low badge]

Harassing can damage a lifes reputation, even with heart

[frank pewter]

Xbox player here, I most definitely understand

[craggy tide]

100% agree, is there an example of that by @craggy tide?

[frank pewter]

Most people here know me as "the guy that complains about console updates"

[craggy tide]

🤝

[low badge]

I found no response that is helping, all I've seen is harassment and hatred

[civic copper]

ronzi92 i think you should probably read this if you havent already, it clears up a few things regarding console updates
#hello-neighbor message

[frank pewter]

It does clear up stuff, but what it's been cleared up to is not preferable

We've been lied to a good few times by this point

[craggy tide]

thanks for the link @civic copper, agree with Albert

[frank pewter]

"Patch 4 will be included in the console mass patch" "console updates in early January" "console updates is in february"

[craggy tide]

that's the thing, this is more promises. They have a bad record of living up to it, so where does that leave us?

With Steam on patch 3/4 and console still on promises

[frank pewter]

Steam is on patch 4 and about to move on to patch 5

Switch is on patch -1 bro how do you mess up so bad you upload the wrong build of the game to the store 😭

[craggy tide]

lmao no way

is that fr

[frank pewter]

Yeahhh

Switch is on an old test build of the game, so half the models are placeholders and most of the puzzles are gone

And the act 1 house has 1 floor instead of 2

[pure storm]

they didnt upload the wrong build what

[frank pewter]

They must have, why did they upload a super old one

[pure storm]

they started working on the switch port months before full release

[frank pewter]

Huh, but then why did they release it and not delay it?

They never said that switch would release alongside every other console

There was no expectation to be met

[pure storm]

and then the game got remade again
but it was too late for switch

[craggy tide]

almost like a pattern

[pure storm]

so now they gotta start working on a switch port from scratch again

[craggy tide]

that's a bummer for switch tho

[frank pewter]

Would they stop remaking the game good God

[low badge]

While the pc is getting updates, the game is still not legible to be replayable

[craggy tide]

legible?

[frank pewter]

What on earth do you mean

[low badge]

I'm saying it isn't fun to play, even with updates

[craggy tide]

ahh, like it doesn't have that "replayability" factor

[pure storm]

tape sidequest can be short but it is still somrthing

[low badge]

It doesn't, and that's a fact

[clever holly]

I like to hang around in the freeplay. Freeplay makes the game replayable for me

[pure storm]

you can have some fun after finishing the game
just messing with the ai(paint buckets for example)

[frank pewter]

Yeah

Console has no way to mess with the ai since they dont react to items thrown and paint buckets dont exist

[craggy tide]

Cop takes metal buckets to the dome like a champ

[low badge]

The budget for the console cost very expensive to add in updates and such

[craggy tide]

At least I think he does... it's only 10 fps 😉

[low badge]

Yes, but does that make the game any difference? No

[frank pewter]

I don't believe this, not when the game is being sold with a triple A price tag

[craggy tide]

Does this excuse the bad product tho?

Game was like $40 lmao

[low badge]

Yes

[craggy tide]

thats insane

[low badge]

Its just like that, you know how HN1 was brought to the ps4, mobile and nintendo switch a year after the game was released?

[craggy tide]

sure, and when they were brought, were they full builds (relatively) free of bugs?

[low badge]

No, they reused the same build, with different elements

[craggy tide]

good background info

So the point is, we buy a game with a release date expecting for it to be enjoyable through on that date.

You can't release a bad game then delay updates based on costs you should have known the whole time

so HN2 is entirely diff engine from all the alphas we got, yes?

[frank pewter]

Nope

It's the same game

Same project same everything

[craggy tide]

lol

[frank pewter]

It just became significantly less interesting

[pure storm]

false

the game was completely remade twice
so the projects are also different

the engine between alphas and fg is the same but just a more updated version with more stuff in it

[frank pewter]

More stuff?

It has less does it not?

They removed swimming, it's a smaller map, theres a lot less items and item functionality

[pure storm]

i meant the engine itself..

[frank pewter]

Ah

[pure storm]

also yes fg has more stuff then alphas too

[frank pewter]

Does it?

[craggy tide]

when'd the most recent console rebuild happen? known?

[pure storm]

yes

[frank pewter]

It feels like less

[frank pewter]

We have no clue

[pure storm]

false

[frank pewter]

Wait we know?

[pure storm]

this or next month

[frank pewter]

Oh you mean whens the next update

[craggy tide]

oh no sorry, the point when the rebuild began

[pure storm]

oh

[craggy tide]

nah Albert got it

prob not public but curious nonetheless

since ya'all are on the ball with this

[frank pewter]

It shouldn't be next month for the release anyway, if it was really scheduled to release in early january then it should be mostly done

[craggy tide]

exactlyu

[frank pewter]

Since that was with patch 2's launch when that was said

And they're only bothering with patch 1 and 2 on console, we miss out on 3 patches since then

I feel like the early january thing was a complete lie to bide us over

The patch 4 being included in the console patch thingy too

[craggy tide]

just be patient

https://tenor.com/view/still-waiting-for-reply-few-hours-late-youre-late-busy-time-gif-14271498

[frank pewter]

Quote from every pc player ever

[valid magnet]

Yes but I meant the update came for pc around dec 16 and 1-2 months later it’ll be consoles

[ruby cedar]

@low badge I’m back sorry it took a while hade to go somewhere

Jeez there’s a lot

[ruby cedar]

I literally was giving you normal thoughts while you were going “this games trash cuz consoles don’t have the updates waaaa”

[craggy tide]

lol

[ruby cedar]

Agreed, and to back this up every time I make a discussion in a feedback he appears.

[craggy tide]

8 hours later he still be

gn sweet prince the time zone differences will keep us but afar for a night

[ruby cedar]

Ahh I see

Ok make sense

[fervent hearth]

My personal opinion is that we should've had more communication during the Beta period of the game.

That, and some more stuff but...

[ruby cedar]

True

[fervent hearth]

y'know, they're adding that now.

And they do seem to care about HN2.

I find it nice they're willing to still do updates.

[ruby cedar]

Exactly

[fervent hearth]

Even after all that backlash.

Like, god that was a lot.

Understandable, but still.

[ruby cedar]

Are you talking about the feedback or the discussion

[fervent hearth]

Like, the roadmap incident was Peak HN2 Community Derangement

general backlash for HN2 from the community that

ISN'T juts

*just

"this game bad lol"

or well-critiqued reviews

[ruby cedar]

Agreed

[fervent hearth]

but i'm glad things are better now.

Excited to finally have The Farmer, in Patch 12.

[craggy tide]

better for steam? definitely

[ruby cedar]

But the roadmap gave us everything we need, people just got mad it wasn’t specific.

[fervent hearth]

Yeah, but in my opinion, a roadmap doesn't have to be all too specific.

It's just gotta give us enough info

while not spoiling EVERYTHING.

They plan on adding new areas, expanding the story as well as the current map, etc.

[ruby cedar]

Bro omg the feedback is from a steam players discussion please stop bringing up consoles I understand consoles don’t have the updates and are being trashed on but just be patient

[fervent hearth]

We're getting console updates s o o n™️

[ruby cedar]

I’m a console player too

[craggy tide]

LMAO

[ruby cedar]

And I get it’s annoying but just wait

[craggy tide]

Lemme check the copyright for "be patient" too

its either Tinybuild or this guy here soo, who am I paying royalties to

[fervent hearth]

At least give me a proper reason why you think we're not getting them at all

Give me money

[ruby cedar]

Huh

[fervent hearth]

i'd happily waste it out of spite.

[ruby cedar]

Confirmed or???

[craggy tide]

dont worry about it, just copypasta the roadmap again

[ruby cedar]

Bro, just cuz I put the roadmap one time cuz someone didn’t know it doesn’t mean it’s my every reasoning.

[fervent hearth]

It was a joke.

(people don't get these in HNG)

(They are a foreign concept)

[ruby cedar]

Ahh

[craggy tide]

I was on it, top 10% sense of humor right there

like a tragic comedy

[ruby cedar]

I started scrolling through #hello-neighbor like where is it

[fervent hearth]

You wanna do something OTHER than just berate me for trying to be somewhat funny?

[craggy tide]

They can't turn it off!

[fervent hearth]

Turn off what???

[craggy tide]

that sense of humor. damn, I'm being genuine

couple good chuckles

[fervent hearth]

I'm not trying to be funny, i'm being genuine.

Like, you can make fun of people all you want, but at least CONTRIBUTE something.

[craggy tide]

fair but fr,. where does it signify this is a steam discussion

[ruby cedar]

My point had been proven this guy will attack anyone just cuz they disagree

@fervent hearth just ignore him

[craggy tide]

I feel yya

[fervent hearth]

Yeah, I know someone who attacks people because they agree...

Two of them.

[craggy tide]

ohhhhh

[ruby cedar]

Same including this guy

[craggy tide]

so many ad hominem attacks can't keep it straight

[ruby cedar]

Yeah and go again and talk about consoles again

[craggy tide]

def could

[low badge]

Nice

[ruby cedar]

Watch him reply and start going ballistic

[craggy tide]

https://tenor.com/view/missile-gif-18882742

its a natural reaction to gaslighting 😉

[craggy tide]

check the tape, Coach

[ruby cedar]

Would you look at that I was right 😀

[craggy tide]

for the first time I can remember, definitely

[ruby cedar]

Anyways everyone disagrees with you so you can continue but I’m just gonna watch

Unless I have to step in

[craggy tide]

https://tenor.com/view/icbm-rocket-missile-gif-7962839

[craggy tide]

https://tenor.com/view/missile-war-fire-gif-9210231

[ruby cedar]

🍿🍿🍿

[craggy tide]

you've always been my entertainment 😉

[ruby cedar]

🍿

[low badge]

It's going full twitter rousey right here

[ruby cedar]

Ik still waiting for some more reply’s from him 🍿

[low badge]

Lol

[ruby cedar]

🍿

[valid magnet]

Complete agree. They said batch update which includes all patches but they scam us into 2. If he fine with that if they had mentioned it instead of complete scam.

[craggy tide]

lol I saw that

[ruby cedar]

Uhh actually

It’s a multi part batch

There’s nothing

Wrong

What is it @craggy tide popcorn

[craggy tide]

popcorn

[ruby cedar]

Yupp

🍿

[craggy tide]

yupp more of the same from yah

same two screenshots

and same patch 0 for console

https://tenor.com/view/missile-gif-18882742

[drifting wadi]

Does the update include a neural network or no

[craggy tide]

nope

[drifting wadi]

that is annoying

[craggy tide]

while that has been used to sell games, it has since been removed from the game and potential updates int eh future

[drifting wadi]

ok

[craggy tide]

annoying, right?

[drifting wadi]

ya

[craggy tide]

almost like a fraud

[drifting wadi]

ikr

[craggy tide]

https://tenor.com/view/get-it-thoughts-thinking-think-smart-be-wise-gif-9319664

[drifting wadi]

Do you know for sure that they will add neural network?

[craggy tide]

@ruby cedar has given their excuse somewhere... i can find it

[drifting wadi]

ok

[drifting wadi]

k

ty

[craggy tide]

but, that's not confirmed at all

[drifting wadi]

they better actually add it tho, it was only the most important part of advertisement

[craggy tide]

all we know is that they sold it based on a neural network, then that was removed from marketing after a while.

[craggy tide]

exactly.

[drifting wadi]

ya

it is a little messed up if they had it in the files of the game and just removed it for some reason

[craggy tide]

fr fr

thats why im tepid with the patch announcement

[drifting wadi]

same bro

[ruby cedar]

That was before the confirmation since people though it would come

But no it prob wont

But the Ai is gonna get smarter and most likely better than the neural network

[ruby cedar]

It was but it actually didn’t work when plugged into the game

Sucks it isn’t here but they confirmed it wouldn’t come apparently way before launch

[drifting wadi]

Wow that is veeeery annoyingggg

[ruby cedar]

Don’t worry as long as they add more AI features we’ll forget the neural network even existed

[drifting wadi]

I hope so bro

He should learn from what you do tho, they all should

[ruby cedar]

I was gonna make a suggestion prob do it now and then post it on what the Ai should be like

Doing it rn

[drifting wadi]

Ok