It's weird that once Iosef starts openly threatening you when you act like a communist around him you can't just arrange his premature death or 'disappearance' either. Of course, firing him could backfire, but I don't see why the SSP couldn't deal with him secretly, and conceal the incident under the guise of a car accident or anything like that. This could come at the cost that, if you assassinate him, it wastes an SSP usage turn and you cannot go with Iosef's plan if you're in a war with Rumburg.
It'd also make sense for you to not be able to assassinate Iosef nor Valken unless they start openly threatening you, as knowledge of an imminent coup is meta, and while Deivid's warning is obviously foreshadowing a coup to the player, real life Anton would probably be at least somewhat skeptical of its accuracy
#Sordland coup prevention?
restive ingot
lyric storm
It's weird that once Iosef starts openly threatening you when you act like a com...
The ssp is run by Graf, they would purposely screw it up
restive ingot
The ssp is run by Graf, they would purposely screw it up
good point, but outside of a state of emergency you can order Karl to have Hawker killed. and i'm pretty sure the fuck-up wasn't on purpose, because why would Hawker ever accept to have his dog killed?
clearly Karl has more agency and is more loyal to you
lyric storm
good point, but outside of a state of emergency you can order Karl to have Hawke...
I think anyone would take the dog over themselves
Especially hawker
restive ingot
but why do we assume that hawker only had either the option to let himself get killed or his dog? like if the SSP really didn't wanna do it then they would've just came up with a bogus excuse or something. killing the guy's dog is still pretty bad and a 'last resort' y'know
they could've just said 'oh we tried to jump him but got the wrong guy' or smth idk
lyric storm
Anything else would possibly expose the plot to screw up the assassination
restive ingot
Anything else would possibly expose the plot to screw up the assassination
idk it just seems like too big of a sacrifice to 'sell the point'. like they could've invented several excuses as to why it didn't work - or could just straight-up tell the president to go fuck himself since what's he gonna do anyway?
i think Karl genuinely tried to assassinate him but had less resources to work with since a lot of SSP agents would probably be sollists
lyric storm
If they straight up say no that’s sedition or treason charges right there and a quick way to ruin the network plus the dog showed a sacrifice that hawker would make selling the idea that they legitimately failed
restive ingot
i still don't think Karl would betray u like that, he clearly proved that he's aware of Lileas' games when introducing himself to u and merely by telling u that he also proved that he's loyal to u. i think he'd be aware of the obstacles so instead of tasking the entire SSP to do it he'd only recruit his confidantes to get rid of Iosef
basically it would be a double covert operation
(frankly i just really wanna stick it to that fat sack of shit Iosef who immediately threatens me if i, an elected president, say something communist)
lyric storm
Except police probably don’t have the resource nor the jurisdiction to carry out assassinations not to mention the fact they are also under the control of Graf and seem to be heavily sollist and nationalist as well
native marten
I don’t think Iosef being replaced would change much
The reason he was able to pull of the coup in the first place was because he had support from the other general staff in the first place and were primarily Sollists/Nationalists who hate communists/instability and directly intervene in politics
Whilst it’s true that Iosef is the figure head of the coup there are other players who allow it to succeed in the first place
Which is why you need to purge the entire general staff instead of just Iosef
restive ingot
Which is why you need to purge the entire general staff instead of just Iosef
fair, but you'd assume that with the purge would go Iosef as well
honestly i'd be fine if the purge eliminated everybody including iosef (let's be honest u ain't going to war with Rumburg anyway if u just purged the general staff, if u were going to war u wouldn't need to do that since u don't get couped anyway)
native marten
It’s probably because it’s just too much work to make an entirely new defence minister
restive ingot
so far in the game whenever a minister leaves/is forced to leave they just...leave that spot empty (e.g. after Lileas is arrested there's just no MoI for the rest of the term)
also it could make room for an achivement if u manage to alienate ur entire cabinet
native marten
That happens at the end of the game though when there’s no longer any meetings left with those cabinet members
Iosef meanwhile features in a lot of meetings post the decree meeting
native marten
I think there might also be an in lore reason for why Iosef isn’t purged
He’s said to be a lot more loyal to Rayne than Valken and seems a lot more respectful and less interventionist towards legitimate processes (considering in the coup ending he doesn’t keep the junta in power forever but transitions to a civilian government after 5 or so years)
So he may not have been on the radar for the purge