lore-and-universe

[cedar surge]

Making it sound like that's so easy when they can see every movement and are back to back

[slim thorn]

Its based on their individual and tactics used

[cedar surge]

They have built in motion sensors and visr

[barren ferry]

They didnt use their motion sensors when the elite surprised them, did they

its possible they may not pay attention to it from time to time.

[cedar surge]

Plus its not like a Spartan doesn't do a dumb decision time to time

Or make mistakes

[barren ferry]

they're less likely to make tactical mistakes

[cedar surge]

They are only people

[barren ferry]

sure they're not immune to it, but like an elite major

tactical mistakes with them are far less common.

still, people only get the notion that elites are worse than marines through the games

lore wise i bet a single elite minor could take at least 4 marines with him

[craggy sierra]

How do the games ever even convey that idea

You can just 1-tap every marine with a headshot weapon

[slim thorn]

Marines are easier to kill when headshotting it

Even it also affects ODSTs

[barren ferry]

sometimes the marines win against elites

which imo is bs

which is why i made the plasma rifle in my mcc:

-move faster (25 m/s to now 50 m/s)

and go from 10 damage to 30 damage per bolt

since marines have 20 health

you can now imagine how marines cant win against a minor 1v1

[versed helm]

That would be true in real life

[barren ferry]

also, do marines die from 1 or 2 plasma pistol shots in the lore?

[west silo]

Yep

Well mainly on were it hits

Headshot-speaks for itself
Centermass- is a 50-50
Legshot-crippled and mostly dead

[cedar surge]

A single needle can take as marine out the battlefield

[west silo]

A near miss from a plasma rifle bolt can cause 3rd degree burns on marines decked out in full body armor

[humble yacht]

A single needle can take as marine out the battlefield
2 needles took out Daisy

[west silo]

Remember when 2 needles blew up a lady

Forward into dawn

[cedar surge]

And thinking about the hundreds of needles being shot at you

[west silo]

And they can track

To a limited extent

[cedar surge]

Somehow

[west silo]

They can even set trees on fire

[cedar surge]

Wat

[west silo]

Then again trees are pretty flamable

[humble yacht]

actually it was 3 needles but still

needles are no joke

[west silo]

Halo battleborn or Meridean divide

[slim thorn]

Spikers can be also problematic

Especially behind you is a wall

[west silo]

Those things are savage

[slim thorn]

and you need a buzzsaw to free the Marines or ODSTs from those spikes

[west silo]

Imagine getting shot at by a bullet the size of your arm

[humble yacht]

well they're hot so they cauterize as they pierce

which is actually good for you if you get hit with one

[west silo]

That's still pretty painful

[humble yacht]

yea but less fatal

[slim thorn]

Needler was more fatal

[west silo]

And they can pin you to walls

[slim thorn]

You will get radiated

[humble yacht]

at least you won't bleed out

[west silo]

More like get your organs ruptured

[humble yacht]

depends on where you get hit

[west silo]

But at least there's no blood

[barren ferry]

if you ever feel useless

just remember that spikers exist

[west silo]

Tho are actually pretty dangerous

[humble yacht]

even a normal bullet can shred your organs if you get hit in a bad spot

[barren ferry]

yeah, nevermind something plasma based

and an energy sword? thats like getting hit by a lightsaber

hell it literally is a lightsaber

shields or not you aint surviving that

[slim thorn]

The bad thing is the hilt and grip

[barren ferry]

true

[slim thorn]

Which causes your sword style becomes very limited

[humble yacht]

but if you get hit in like the shoulder or somewhere where it just goes through without hitting anything vital, the cauterization will actually help you

[west silo]

Imagine how horrifying it is seeing plasma wash over someones face
Melting it right infront of you

[barren ferry]

internal bleeding

would like a word

[west silo]

The smell too

[humble yacht]

internal bleeding doesn't happen if the whole spike is superheated

[barren ferry]

if energy swords one shot spartans wearing mjolnir

[humble yacht]

(which is it)

[barren ferry]

I meant the energy sword

not spiker

[humble yacht]

the energy sword doesn't leave blood either

[west silo]

Looks at Emile

[humble yacht]

it's plasma, it doesn't cut so much as it burns through you

[west silo]

Yeah that was actually a strategy that Jul used

[barren ferry]

despite the fact it cuts through pretty much anything

[west silo]

Its like a light saber

[humble yacht]

"cut" is just a loose term at that point

[barren ferry]

Yeah, if you get stabbed by a lightsaber, you're pretty much dead without something as tough as beskar

it would be the same with an energy sword

[humble yacht]

depends on where you get stabbed

[west silo]

Yeah because vitals

And wouldn't the radiation mess you up in the end?

[humble yacht]

depends on the type of radiation

[slim thorn]

if energy swords one shot spartans wearing mjolnir
It does when Emile was stabbed

[west silo]

That guy was stabbed through the chest and just yelled it off

[humble yacht]

if energy swords were emitting deadly radiation then it would be dangerous to the wielder too

[west silo]

Maybe it was adrenaline

Actually the covenant species are immune to there weapons radiation

Hear me out

[slim thorn]

So in practice nukes was ineffective?

[west silo]

It's mentioned in the Mona lisa

[flat bone]

their weapons radiation

[west silo]

By the oni dude

[flat bone]

not humans

[west silo]

Yes

[flat bone]

so nukes are effective

[slim thorn]

The radiation spoils

[west silo]

Nukes are always effective

[humble yacht]

Radiation is an after effect of a nuke

[slim thorn]

Made by nukes

[humble yacht]

the primary danger is the explosive yield

[slim thorn]

It's what I think of

[flat bone]

have a problem? Nuke it

[west silo]

Tell that to the environment

[slim thorn]

UNSC will catch off-guard if they found out that the covenant went through radiation field with no problem

[flat bone]

Nukes make big boom

[slim thorn]

Because humans often tends to back off or going for another way to engage them, unaware that the covenant could get through radiation field by nukes without problem.

[humble yacht]

so what did the ONI guy exactly say about Covenant and radiation? cause I can't find anything that says that

[slim thorn]

I'm talking about the after effect of the nukes

[stark hinge]

I dont think Sangheili, Grunts, jackals are immune to radiation

[west silo]

He's basically says that because they spend so much time using plasma weaponry they've developed some immunity to radiation

[stark hinge]

And brutes

[west silo]

Brutes might be

They nuked there planet

[stark hinge]

Darn, I gotta read that part of their lore to confirm that

[west silo]

And lived on it through the entire nuclear winter

[flat bone]

so what are energy swords

plasma?

[stark hinge]

Yes

[humble yacht]

radiation isn't something you can be immune to, you don't develop antibodies against radiation

[stark hinge]

It melts and cuts thru anything, right?

That's an energy sword

[faint tinsel]

Does using an Energy sword require some kind of training or something?

or can any grunt just pick it up

[west silo]

Dude this is halo
It's never really been realistic

[flat bone]

a grunt can pick it up

but

[stark hinge]

Likely requires training

[flat bone]

can a baby handle a sword?

[stark hinge]

:0

[flat bone]

no

[west silo]

Remember the colony of sentient telepathic worms ?

[flat bone]

lekgolo?

[slim thorn]

can a baby handle a sword?
Don't think like Zoro vs Sanji from One Piece where they fight each other as babies with swords and kicks. The weight of the sword itself was not enough for the baby to carry it let alone the size was not fit for their hands to wield it.

[west silo]

The soul stealing machines?

[flat bone]

xlekgolo

[west silo]

And FTL

[slim thorn]

The energy sword's con is the handle size itself which can be problematic

[west silo]

Well it's designed by aliens

For them

Not us

[slim thorn]

Exclusive to Sangheili

[stark hinge]

Takes a lot of skill for human to master energy swords

[west silo]

Of course it would be problematic for us

[slim thorn]

Forge can use it, but you can see that there is a wide gap

[stark hinge]

Yep

[slim thorn]

So the hands must be big enough to wield it

Also, on the sci-fi itself, it's very rare for someone to master ancient weaponry

[stark hinge]

Very true

[west silo]

Didn't a brute get his rib cage sliced open and then just laughed it off

[slim thorn]

Though it also gives me a fanfic for a Spartan to become a Swordmaster where it can use sword to cut Wraith or probably CCS battlecruiser side-to-side.

[flat bone]

And wouldn't the radiation mess you up in the end?
Since energy swords are presumably plasma based, the only radiation would be heat radiation, unless they ionise a radioctive substance

[stark hinge]

There's like, three types of plasma. What type of plasma do the guns use tho excluding the ships?

[flat bone]

3 types of plasma?

[stark hinge]

Iirc

[west silo]

Actually it's not even plasma

[stark hinge]

Wait no?

[west silo]

It's just the closet word the unsc can use to describe it

[flat bone]

true true

[west silo]

It's actually more advanced and hotter

[stark hinge]

Huh i agree

[flat bone]

it could still be called plasma

[west silo]

It was said by frankie tho

[stark hinge]

Because the appearance

[flat bone]

but there is only 1 type of plasma

[west silo]

Sooo take it as you please

[flat bone]

not three

[stark hinge]

Thought there was like, liquid, solid, and gas?

[flat bone]

those are....

[west silo]

Those are states

[flat bone]

3 of the 4 states of matter

[slim thorn]

You mean different types of plasma weaponry?

[stark hinge]

No, i remember reading there was a liquid type of plasma

[flat bone]

liquid solid gas and plasma are the 4 states of matter

[stark hinge]

Ohh

[slim thorn]

IIRC, some weapons does have different attributes

[stark hinge]

Huh

[slim thorn]

like Fuel Rod Gun and Plasma Rifle for examples

[west silo]

The plasma castor is truly weird

[flat bone]

plasma is Ionized gas

basically hot gas

[stark hinge]

Hm i see

[slim thorn]

Is FRG also uses plasma?

[west silo]

It fires heat seeking plasma grenades

Yeah

[flat bone]

the covenant are very high tech

[west silo]

That thing is a monster in the books

There just very dogmatic

[flat bone]

to be able to put technology inside of a plasma ball

[stark hinge]

Sheesh

And humanity still can't figure out how

[west silo]

Oh yeah

Elites achieved all that

But still can't build a barn

[stark hinge]

If humanity was able to create the Spaser, why didn't they make laser rifles using the Spartan laser technology?

[west silo]

Too expensive

[humble yacht]

because the splaser was about as small as they could get it

[west silo]

And you need to bring fuel cells

[humble yacht]

laser weapons require huge batteries

[stark hinge]

I see...

[slim thorn]

and it was expensive and takes a long time to recharge it

It's not like UNSC have a battery recharging station at all times for SL

[stark hinge]

Humanity was on the brim of extinction, so maybe money isn't necessary, but I understand

[west silo]

Oh money is always necessary

Especially when the people don't know there fighting a losing war

[stark hinge]

Jeez

Would humanity be able to create a bullet that surpasses shields? Been thinking alot about that

[humble yacht]

huh?

surpasses how?

[stark hinge]

I got no idea, but my mind says it's possible somehow in a weird way

[west silo]

You mean overpower the shield in one shot?

[stark hinge]

Yup, as if shot fron a sniper rifle

[west silo]

Well then look no further

[humble yacht]

yeah, you just need a bullet with more piercing power

[slim thorn]

I think he meant like a shot that can bypass energy shield

[humble yacht]

like depleted uranium

[west silo]

Than Palmer's pistols of plot

Instantly oneshot anything in the room

Except the fragile old lady your trying to kill

[slim thorn]

I think making that kind of bullet was difficult

even MAC can't bypass the Covenant Warship's shield

[stark hinge]

Hmm

[humble yacht]

sure it can

[west silo]

Nah he means ground troops

[stark hinge]

Exactly

[west silo]

You'd be surprised

[slim thorn]

MAC can bypass Covenant Warship's shield?

[stark hinge]

Not in oneshot

[humble yacht]

Depends on the MAC and the target

Super MACs can punch holes through capital ships

[slim thorn]

Solemn Penance can breakthrough somehow

[west silo]

Supermac

[stark hinge]

Imagine they made a MegaMAC

[west silo]

Because he's the prophet of regret

One that shoots nova booms

[stark hinge]

I never read the books, but is there one event where a Sangheili used his/her claw in combat?

[west silo]

No

Don't think so

[stark hinge]

Huh, that's odd

They've got sharp claws though

[west silo]

There not savages

That's the brutes and jackals thing

[stark hinge]

What if they don't have daggers or swords left? They'd just knock someone out with fists?

[west silo]

Yeah

Elites are really strong

Believe it or not a grunt could rip you in half

[slim thorn]

The con size is the Grunts are explosives

[stark hinge]

Luckily they'd rather not do it to humans

True

[slim thorn]

Just shoot that methane out and it goes BOOM

[stark hinge]

They're weapons themselves

[slim thorn]

If UNSC shows no mercy to Unggoy, the best weapon is Napalm

[stark hinge]

Or shoot then from a safe distance away

[slim thorn]

Strange that the developer quite oversee this stuff

Or probably doesn't want to make the Grunt very lethal at the games

[stark hinge]

It'd be too op because they're moving explosive barrels

[west silo]

Well in lore the grunts usually stay behind cover

[slim thorn]

ONI Alpha Site level is one of the most wonderful level for me because of Fireworks made by stupid grunts.

[west silo]

I like the science place in 4

[slim thorn]

You mean on Spartan Ops?

[west silo]

Because you get to vent elites and jackals

[slim thorn]

Oh, Ivanoff Station

[west silo]

And watch there futile reactions

[slim thorn]

Though I'm curious if they do have spacesuit equipped for 0 G

[west silo]

The grunts Maybe

Elites if that's the mission

[slim thorn]

UNSC have the equipment, but you need Jetpack for better efficiency

[west silo]

It's weird to know that there's a grunt that can overpower a brute in strength

[slim thorn]

Makes me wonder if Yapyap can overpower a Brute

[stark hinge]

That'd be great lol

[west silo]

That guy is the pretty much god

[slim thorn]

Also, Pavium stated that the Flood breeds faster than the Grunts

[stark hinge]

God of the grunts

[west silo]

To the point he hack his own game

[slim thorn]

Which makes me curious how fast the grunts can reproduce

[west silo]

Very fast

[stark hinge]

Yep

[slim thorn]

Like... how?

1 Grunts for each minutes?

[stark hinge]

Are grunts oviparous?

[west silo]

You know krogans?

Faster

[stark hinge]

What's a krogan

[west silo]

Giant mean lizards from mass effect

They breed so fast that they were put against that universe's version of the zerg

Now I wonder how fast drones reproduce

[stark hinge]

I wonder how many grunts there are rn in the halo universe. Breeding so fast, probably like they have close to a zillion already

[slim thorn]

Just use one napalm

[west silo]

Nah if there own planet wasn't trying to kill them constantly and everyone using them as canon fodder

[slim thorn]

and it goes for a chain explosion

[flat bone]

Or probably doesn't want to make the Grunt very lethal at the games
I can tell you that 88% of my deaths in legendary were by grunt hands

[west silo]

Suicide grunts are really crafty

[slim thorn]

Your worst nightmare is died by a suicide bomber

[west silo]

It's never cease to amaze me that i can say that word

[stark hinge]

We now got flying suicide grunts in Infinite iirc

[flat bone]

those are going to break a few controllers

[stark hinge]

Now they're more dangerous

[west silo]

I am both scared and ready

[slim thorn]

Ye, that makes things more interesting

[stark hinge]

Same

[slim thorn]

Pity that Sergeant Allieri didn't come

If does then he will be joyful to rescue a spartan

[west silo]

I wonder how long the base campaign will be

[stark hinge]

Did the UNSC ever had rocket artillery and used them for barrage tactics against Covenant ground troops?

[west silo]

Yes

[slim thorn]

But only from starships

[west silo]

From the little we have seen

[stark hinge]

They didn't have ground vehicles like katyushas?

[west silo]

Artillery is never really expanded on in halo

There usually just mentioned in passing

They didn't have ground vehicles like katyushas?
@stark hinge
They do

Kodiaks
Cobras

Rhinos

[stark hinge]

Ohhh interesting

[west silo]

Maybe a few more we just haven't seen

[slim thorn]

Some artillery requires designator

[stark hinge]

Didn't the Grizzly actually have a rocket launcher that shoots rockets like a katyusha?

[slim thorn]

Like what happened at Reach and Halo 4

They does, but best used for AA

[west silo]

Remember when people thought the unsc only APC was the warthog

Then boom the mastodon appears

[stark hinge]

But only used in Halo wars lol

[west silo]

Well it gives them the most freedom

And doesn't really hurt the sandbox

[stark hinge]

Sad that thry never got used in the FPS

[west silo]

Too overpowered

[slim thorn]

The armor was too thick

But easy to get hammered

[stark hinge]

Hm :/

[slim thorn]

The con size is Mastodon can't operate efficiently without complements

and it's everyone's nightmare if Mastodon was exploded

[west silo]

Looks at the mammoth

I don't think the unsc cares

[slim thorn]

Mammoth is too big

[stark hinge]

Very big

[west silo]

Actually it makes a little sense

[slim thorn]

It can only complements two battle hog

[west silo]

Its a giant mobile command centre with a mini mac that can threaten small ships

[slim thorn]

The problem is you need a spotter

[west silo]

Think of one of the bases from CNC but much smaller

[slim thorn]

I was much more thinking like a Crawler somehow

[west silo]

The problem is you need a spotter
@slim thorn
I stand by my judgement that moment was just a gameplay thing to make the player feel important

There is no logical way they would make a design so stupid

[slim thorn]

Well, unless we can find a remote control where we can use it

[west silo]

Especially when they have widespread ais to do all that for them

[slim thorn]

Not just spot the target and marking it

I'd prefer like "I will pilot this thing and blow that up." rather than picking up designator and mark it.

[main hill]

I couldn’t text cuz I said the F word to many times

[west silo]

For shame

[stark hinge]

Elites have big mouths that someone lucky enough can put a grenade inside it then BOOM

[main hill]

Lmao

Make an elite swallow a hand grenade.

[stark hinge]

That's more lethal, makes Halo more of an 18+ game lol

[west silo]

That comes off extremely wrong in my head

Ah man reading the books and playing the games make halo feel like a whole different franchise

[slim thorn]

Its mandibles are quite protected

[stark hinge]

How wide can an elite stretch his mandibles though?

[lone oak]

wait second....how do they brush they teeth.

how they spit????

[west silo]

By brushing there teeth

[stark hinge]

Some elites actually have fangs on the ends of their mandibles too

[west silo]

The better question is where is there equipment

Ehehe

[slim thorn]

Have you seen Thel's mandibles?

You can look at that for the example

[lone oak]

Thel's mandibles are quite, shall we say.......a bit wrinkly.....

[stark hinge]

Elites got a lot of teeth on each mandibles, and it requires them a lot and alot of brushing

[lone oak]

like dried sausages

[stark hinge]

Well, he is aging

[lone oak]

bro hes like 31 in human years

[stark hinge]

Ohh

Maybe from the mandible guards he used to have from his zealot helmet?

He did wore it for very long before being arbiter

Huh, since now the topic is mostly elites, how do they even pee or poo?

[gilded mason]

The way you think they would.

[stark hinge]

I don't see them having a dong, nor a slit at their lower behind

[gilded mason]

They have a hole, and what looks to be a slit at the front

[stark hinge]

Don't tell me... that's also how they poop?

[gilded mason]

'Hole' as in what we also have.

[humble yacht]

😐

[gilded mason]

Agreed, Chim.

[stark hinge]

Huh

[humble yacht]

is this really a topic that needs to be discussed?

[stark hinge]

Just trying to kill my curiosity

Moving on

[slim thorn]

Alpha-Nine is the first team to have two wed couples, bringing Mickey and Romeo into jealousy

[lone oak]

they have a cloaca

both male and female elites have a cloaca

boom

[torpid oar]

Quick question

What covenant ship drops Scarabs onto the battlefield?

[slim thorn]

Mainly CAS due to the size

[torpid oar]

Can I get some names on specific models?

[lone oak]

um

theres the Halo 2 one, the Halo 3 one, the harvester from Halo 4 spartasn ops, then theres the kraken, those last 2 count right? theres also the waterproof on from Halo Wars

I forget the names

wait, scarabs or the covenant ships?

[slim thorn]

He's asking about the Covenant ship that drops Scarabs to the battlefield

I was much more like to limted only to CAS-Assault Carrier and above to deploy that Scarab

[lone oak]

well I mean there's also the C-class-something destroyer and the SDV heavy corvette.

[slim thorn]

Yeah, but not suited to deploy Scarab

[torpid oar]

The one thats 5 kilometers long? XD

[slim thorn]

Yeah

CAS-Assault Carrier can only took 3 Scarabs

CSO could be tripled or more

[lone oak]

The CSO was 30 kilometers

[slim thorn]

Even the biggest cruiser on the Covenant, ORS-Class can't complement Scarab

Yeah, CSO can complement more than 3 Scarabs

[lone oak]

whats your favorite ship?

[torpid oar]

Theoretically, could I modify a heavy corvette entirely for the carrying of one singular scarab?

Nothing more than basic defense?

[slim thorn]

Theoretically, could I modify a heavy corvette entirely for the carrying of one singular scarab?
No

Size alone was already a problem, let alone the weight

[torpid oar]

Time to make baby scarabs then LOL

[slim thorn]

Locusts was Baby Scarabs

[torpid oar]

For context, I run a roleplay server and one of my members was wondering this

Locusts are too small

[slim thorn]

Because having a scarab on the SDV-Class Corvette is like you need to reduce your complement considerably

Which was deemed unacceptable and not feasible

[torpid oar]

Understandable

[lone oak]

lets see.....If a Sdv heavy class corvette is 956 meters long, 399 meters wide, 175 meters tall. and the length of the Halo 2 scarab is 50 meters long, and about 40 meters tall. i suppose it could fit in the top hangar.

[torpid oar]

What would be the smallest ship deemed feasible to carry a singular scarab in your opinion?

lets see.....If a Sdv heavy class corvette is 956 meters long, 399 meters wide, 175 meters tall. and the length of the Halo 2 scarab is 50 meters long, and about 40 meters tall. i suppose it could fit in the top hangar.
@lone oak Thats what I thought

[slim thorn]

The weight was a problem

It's too heavy to be carried at the Corvettes

[lone oak]

its in space though, just carry it on the outside of the ship and attach alien tethers or something to it.

[slim thorn]

Also, you need a space like 150 meters long, and 60 meters tall.

[torpid oar]

its in space though, just carry it on the outside of the ship and attach alien tethers or something to it.
@lone oak LOL

[slim thorn]

Because the Scarabs often makes an orbital drop

Covenant's Grav Lifts are not strong enough to fit it

Because you need to make another sacrifice to complement it

[lone oak]

well time and the planet's gravity can take care of that.

maybe use a phantom to fling it into the atmo

[torpid oar]

Lmfao this is wayyy to theoretical

it also sounds dangerous for everyone involved

[slim thorn]

lol Phantom will be like thrown away to the surface

and crashes violently

[torpid oar]

I love how Valk is the serious and factual one in this convo, then Kuroshi just hits us with "Lets space tow it"

[flat bone]

Theoretically if something the size of a scarab fell from the atmosphere it would leave a decent sized crater

[torpid oar]

Kaboom

[slim thorn]

Just like ragging the brains out

[torpid oar]

Alright thank you for your time guys

[slim thorn]

Which I find it lovely because I love thinking much more

[lone oak]

hmmm, someone help me find gravity in m/s for sangheilios

lets see..........a diameter of 15,038 km....

divide by 2 to find the radius.....

whats the rotational spin? and the spin around the three stars in its trinary system?

okay so a day on sangheilios is 29.5 hours. 583.3 days in a year.

so F=G*(m * M)/(r^2)

[humble yacht]

gravity is measured in Newtons

m/s is velocity

[lone oak]

So the answer must be.....

..........I'm not smart enough

[flat bone]

well

what i would do to find the rotational spin is find the ratio between earth and sanghelios

438 days in a year

if a day is 29.5 hours

[humble yacht]

spin is independent of gravity

[flat bone]

i know

[humble yacht]

gravity depends on the mass of the planet

[flat bone]

just answering his question

[humble yacht]

length of a year on Sanghelios is 583 days

[lone oak]

alright moving on. Do grunts have the power to steal my kneecaps?

[humble yacht]

grunts are strong compared to humans

they'd probably beat you at arm wrestling

[lone oak]

well are we talkin fleshy grunts or chitin grunts?

[humble yacht]

grunts are grunt

[flat bone]

so if a year is 583 days then a day is more than 29.5 hours

[humble yacht]

no

[flat bone]

in our tim

[humble yacht]

a day is defined as the time it takes for a planet to rotate

[flat bone]

wair

im dumb

[humble yacht]

a year is defined as the time it takes a planet to revolve around its sun

[flat bone]

yes i know

what i dont know is what i was trying to solve

[lone oak]

but sangheilios has three stars

[humble yacht]

sanghelios just has a larger orbit than earth

[flat bone]

yeah ok

but.

it spins 1.2x faster than earth

and...

nvm

i don't know where im going

[lone oak]

matpat could do this easy

all I can do is calculate the energy in joules absorbed or outputed by an object during a phase change.

[humble yacht]

Enthalpy

[lone oak]

heating 955 grams of icewater at -0.1 C to steam at 99.9 C absorbs over 2 million joules of energy. thats like a fifth of the energy needed to blow up a car using a couple of Kilograms of tnt.

did I mention mass defect? where the atoms themselves are lighter than the subatomic particles used to make them?

[humble yacht]

what does that have to do with Halo?

[lone oak]

um.....

all hail lord megatron?

[humble yacht]

😐

[lone oak]

Wort wort wort

[west silo]

So when they say thel is the youngest to reach shipmaster they meant as in not touching a hundred yet

[cedar surge]

Most shipmassters are over 100?

[west silo]

Well thel is the youngest

And he's in his 70s or low 80s

While nizat is like 200 years old

And he's pretty fit

[lone oak]

Imagine arbiter as an angsty teen

with hair

a full afro

[west silo]

All elites were angsty teenagers

Afro arbiter

[lone oak]

Afro arbiter moonwalking

[west silo]

Plasma rifles are sangheli in origin right?

[gilded mason]

Ye

[west silo]

Cool

[lone oak]

I just realized...how do sangheili do their Ls?

they have no tongue

[gilded mason]

Neural physics

[west silo]

They do

[gilded mason]

Also they do have a tongue

[west silo]

They just have them very far in there mouth

Man how would an old elite look?

[lone oak]

Old

Olde

[gilded mason]

Apparently old Elites begin to grow spindly hairs in random places as they get really old.

[west silo]

Elites have hair?

[gilded mason]

Old ones do. Not much, but they do

Tup’Quk, a Sangheili bent with age, bristling with the odd hairs the very old sometimes sprouted from various crevices, came shuffling slowly, the ceremonial jewelry jingling from his pierced mandibles.

[cedar surge]

Sounds more like a prophet

[lone oak]

define "various crevices"

[gilded mason]

Nah

[west silo]

Sounds more like a prophet
@cedar surge
Exactly

[gilded mason]

😎

[west silo]

Especially the jewelry part

[gilded mason]

Well, he is a priest

[west silo]

Wait what?

[gilded mason]

Yeah. Tup’Quk is a Snagheili priest

[west silo]

A elite priest?

[gilded mason]

As in, a religious guy. Not anything to do with Christianity

[cedar surge]

Well there isn't enough prophets to go around

[west silo]

Well duh

[gilded mason]

I thought you might've gotten confused. 😋

[cedar surge]

Well yea

Its a elite priest

[west silo]

Christianity isn't the only religion

[gilded mason]

Since you were so incredulous

[west silo]

I just never thought I see an elite priest

[cedar surge]

The Christianity conclusion was a bit wierd

[west silo]

So what kinda religion do they have

[lone oak]

UNYIELDING HEIROPHANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[west silo]

Is it still forerunners?

[cedar surge]

Is it really ever defined how the covenant worship the forerunners?

Like is it just taking some forerunner tech and praying to it

[west silo]

Is it like the machinicus

If you know
You know

[cedar surge]

Oil here,oil there

Forerunner tech is everywhere

[west silo]

So was the uneven elephant a CSO or is it never specified

[lone oak]

what was the story of unyielding heirophant? why was it a giant peanut shaped space half the size of high charity? Was it only in the books?

[cedar surge]

Its a covenant massive space station

It had from either 500 to thousands of ships getting ready to invade the sol system

Before blue team and cortana destroyed it all

[lone oak]

but it went boom

[cedar surge]

Yes

[lone oak]

big BIG boom

[cedar surge]

Boom is always the answer

[lone oak]

imagine licking an elite's eyeball.

[west silo]

How did we get to that

[lone oak]

as it tenderly rubs your kneecaps

too much?

[humble yacht]

yep

[lone oak]

anyway...

back to thanoslekgolo

[cunning yacht]

I could take on the flood by myself

[lone oak]

say that to the gravemind.

[terse lava]

What.....whats going on?

[lone oak]

oh we're just stealing people kneecaps.

[winter elk]

And licking Sangheili eyeballs.

[cedar surge]

So was any monitors keeping tabs on what was actually going on in the galaxy

[humble yacht]

why would they care?

[west silo]

Sheer boredom?

Spark was curious of how the galaxy was doing but his protocols keeped stopping him

[slim thorn]

2401 Peningent Tangent was worse

He let Gravemind on the loose and captured

[west silo]

And he did leave the ring to visit another monitor

Who unfortunately wasn't home

[humble yacht]

Penitent Tangent did not let the Gravemind loose

the gravemind formed after the outbreak already occurred

Tangent merely was lazy and never checked on the containment facilities

[slim thorn]

Yeah, same as letting those Flood on the loose

[west silo]

Yeah he was just bad at his job

What's worse is that he somehow got captured

[slim thorn]

Yep

[west silo]

How?

He can fly

[slim thorn]

The price of getting the Flood on the loose unchecked

[humble yacht]

the gravemind has tentacles

can reach into the air

[west silo]

He has the ability to fly very high

[slim thorn]

and 2401 is not fast enough to evade

Or low enough to get trapped by the tentacles

[west silo]

And has a very powerful face lazer

[humble yacht]

the gravemind probably laid a trap for Tangent at some point and captured him

tbh it doesn't really matter how he got caught, all that matters is that he did get caught

[west silo]

Isn't that like saying it doesn't matter how the forerunners lost to the flood they just did?

Or that it doesn't matter how humanity survived the covenant they just did

[slim thorn]

tbh Gravemind was crafty and manipulative

Compared to the Forerunners where they actually played right at the hands of the Gravemind

[terse lava]

Still wondering how the gravemind even got the intelligence to even form.

[west silo]

Hey now

It's doesn't matter how

It just did

Like how it doesn't matter that the halo in 3 didn't actually kill the flood for reasons

[slim thorn]

He got enough biomass to rebuild at Installation 05

[west silo]

Or how it doesn't matter how animals were able to survive to halo pulse in 3

[slim thorn]

Because it was incomplete

[west silo]

But it killed the flood?

[slim thorn]

The Halo Array or Installation 08 was not ready to be fired on a full operational scale

[west silo]

The undead zombies

[jolly furnace]

Tangent seemed to be lax and neglectful and losing his marbles even before the flood outbreak on 05

[lone oak]

The halo rings killed the floods food

[west silo]

But less than a 1000 years went by

[slim thorn]

Anyone hide behind a solid cover survives

[west silo]

What

[slim thorn]

That's how Chief survives the firing

and the natives at The Ark

[west silo]

That would mean the gravemind also survived

[slim thorn]

He doesn't

[west silo]

Because he was in high charity

[slim thorn]

Because he transfer most of his body to 08

and the mighty red at High Charity prevents him from rebuild

[west silo]

Red

[humble yacht]

The halos kill higher flood forms like combat forms and Graveminds

[west silo]

Doesn't that mean pure forms are free to run around

And those are worse

Because they adapt

On the fly

[lone oak]

Why weren't there any giant carrier forms in halo 3?

[west silo]

Doesn't that mean they could have easily just infected the animals that were running around on the ark in HITD

[lone oak]

they only infect sentient life

[west silo]

No

[lone oak]

mhm

[slim thorn]

They infect all lives

[west silo]

Any living thing

[lone oak]

I'mma go get my Halo mythos and solve this

[slim thorn]

I just wish that 343 or Bungie can clarify on one specific character

[west silo]

Halo mythos also states flood reproduce by using neural physics

Chips?

[slim thorn]

Ye

The legendary SPARTAN Chips Dubbo

[cunning yacht]

Lol chips Dubbo

[slim thorn]

I mean like... He's everywhere

Why no lore or story about him?

[cunning yacht]

He has survived this long because he faces worst in his back yard

[lone oak]

AhA!!

"the spores eventually began targeting sentient species"

"it would lead to the transformation of all sentient life into flood"

"without sentient beings to infect, the flood could not expand"

[cunning yacht]

Yo you cracked it how the flood actually works

[slim thorn]

Rtas already said it

"One single Flood spore can destroy a species"

I was hoping there will be more information about the Banished, considering now they lost second in command and there are no leader at the Ark.

[lone oak]

what happened during halo wars 2?!??!?!??!? I can't make it past the level where you defend the base.

[slim thorn]

What level is it?

You mean where Pavium is defending the base before Voridus make a contact?

[lone oak]

the one with the scarab at the end

with a bunch of locust

[slim thorn]

Oh, last stand?

[lone oak]

its impossible man!

[slim thorn]

It's possible

I've already post my strategies at Halopedia since I can pull it off

[lone oak]

I've never been good at strategy games,(except for that one time I beat an AI on legendary in Halo Wars)

(alone)

[unique rune]

Why no lore or story about him?
probably because he's a gag character that isn't meant to be taken seriously

[slim thorn]

I want to take Chips Dubbo more seriously though

Since he's a legend 😄

[unique rune]

Have fun trying to iron out his canonicity

[lone oak]

He's actually infected by the flood but the gravemind has kept him alive to try and infect other planets. gravemind big brain

[west silo]

Taking chips seriously is like trying to take Spartan 1337 seriously

[craggy sierra]

The most canon of characters

[west silo]

No that's obviously yapyap

[flat bone]

dustin echos

[west silo]

They always ask who is dustin echos but never how is dustin echos

[stark hinge]

So if an A-10 Warthog still existed, would the A-10's vulcan take out a banshee?

Or some Covenant ground vehicles too?

[cedar surge]

Well most modern day stuff would be pretty effective against the covenant

Since the unsc either uses the same or slightly more advanced tech

[ocean ibex]

Yes, a wathog would rip through any ground troops the covenant have

However I don’t think they can beat a banshee in a dogfight

[slim thorn]

Banshee was like A6M Zeros if counting on their superior maneuverability in turning at low speed

[versed helm]

@cedar surge their tech’s blatant way more advanced. For the feats they’ve achieved with things like small arms, they must have made a breakthrough phenomena discovery for them to behave as they do

They have advanced HUDs, antigravity, and nanotech for the most mundane forces and even recreations

They have body armor which can allow the user to survive 7.62x51 — something impossible with known military gear without killing the wearer beneath. Their sniper rifle penetrates as much concrete as our own RPGs, and their saboted Shotgun pellets can drop the engine of a Warthog or make foot-deep craters in hard soil

In other words, we don’t hold a candle to them

Ignoring their mach 12 stealth crafts and abundance of drones for those respective roles

[opal birch]

modern body armor can take a hit from a 7.62 dude, it will hurt like hell but you will survive

[versed helm]

Depends where you get hit

A headshot will most likely result in brain damage, if not death

[opal birch]

When it comes to small arms tech, looking at the US Army's next generation weapons program, we're already ahead of the UNSC. They're still using all brass cartridges, the new weapon bids are either using a hybrid steel/brass case (Sig Sauer's bid), a polymer case (General Dynamics's bid), or a Cased Telescoping Round (Textron's bid). @versed helm the newer helmets are rated for rifle ammo.

again it will hurt like a mother, but it will save your life outside the wire

[versed helm]

@opal birch are you in the military?

[opal birch]

I was. Got out in early 2017.

[versed helm]

Then I’ll take your word with some weight. I’m just skeptical after seeing how even .22 magnum can crack ribs and rupture organs while wearing level three armor

.308? Good god, sounds like instant death

[opal birch]

Well that's a magnum

A 240 bravo isn't spitting out magnum rounds

[versed helm]

Well if it’s stopped against the plate, would it even matter?

[opal birch]

It'll hurt a lot

You probably wouldn't feel it if a lot of adrenaline is pumping though

[versed helm]

So, no concern about compound rib fractures or anything?

[opal birch]

I never of that happening to guys who got hit as far as I'm aware

[versed helm]

Hm. Strange

[opal birch]

Lots of bruising though

[versed helm]

Bruising? Well, there goes my over-penetrating assumption lol

I guess steel plate is much better than kevlar at absorbing KE

[opal birch]

the plates we got in the Marine Corps were ceramic

[versed helm]

Well then.. I guess there are sand bags in boxing for a reason lol

[opal birch]

Also regarding ammo magnum ammo, i think the only ones being used in the military right now is the .338 Norma Magnum

And that's only by SOCOM

for one of their new sniper rifles, specifically for anti-materiel work

[versed helm]

Hm. How much would an M240 differ in that regard at extreme point blank range?

[opal birch]

I don't know, considering most engagements now are done at 300 meters or further

I do know that the Norma Magnum packs a lot more punch

[versed helm]

I was about to say that’d make a big difference, but from what I’ve seen reviewed apparently it’s a pretty marginal difference

Seems like a bullet’s a bullet, 330 yards away or not

[opal birch]

well the farther a round travels, it will lose a fair amount of kinetic energy, but yeah 300 meters is probably a marginal difference compared to up close

[versed helm]

Mm. I think it’s an average 10m/s drop every 30 or so meters, IIRC

I’m not sure how Halo marine armor stands up against magnums, but I remember Romeo(?) taking a pistol round to his faceplate without a worry

[opal birch]

The UNSC seems to have advanced in most things aside from small arms

materials science has advanced enough to where much of what UNSC has is probably attainable in anywhere from a few decades to a century, depending on the tech

just not the obvious things like FTL travel or spaceships like what we see in the series

[versed helm]

Their function is.. somewhat attainable, depends on what’s discovered. But from what I’ve read, the actual effects of their arms a much deadlier than their weight class

[cedar surge]

So what would you say of the unsc vehicles?

[slim thorn]

I was wondering why UNSC discards SABOT, HVP, or even APFSDS. Even the Scorpion Tank itself was only armed with HEAT.

Or probably a smoothbore version of HESH (Considering the AoE damage)

[stark hinge]

Same aswell. And since most modern MBTs use 120 or 125mm caliber guns, the Scorpion just uses 90mm which is ineffective against modern day tanks

[humble yacht]

90mm of tungsten, which is a denser metal than typical shell materials

[stark hinge]

Hmm, but why 90mm? They could've just used 120mm which is much more stronger

[humble yacht]

bigger isn't always better

[stark hinge]

So supporting Valk's question, why'd they discard those types of shells tho? I mean, they sound useful imo

[cinder sluice]

their not

[lone oak]

wat we talkin bout gamers?

space towin scarabs again?

[slim thorn]

SABOT and HVP are ineffective against Wraith with shielding

[fair hazel]

Modern scorpion uses 150mm thouvh

[west silo]

Actually it's stated that there isn't even a difference

In firepower between the 90 and 150

[lone oak]

where ma boy chimera?

[west silo]

What unsc weapons would we take in the real world?

[humble yacht]

?

[lone oak]

?

[west silo]

You know what guns would we really like to have

[slim thorn]

A one hit kill Spartan Laser

[west silo]

Like the Spartan laser

[slim thorn]

Bypass every MBT's armor

[humble yacht]

we'd take any UNSC weapon in the real world

[west silo]

Or even there rocket launcher

[humble yacht]

they're all either on par or better than modern weaponry

[west silo]

Railguns

[slim thorn]

Stanchion Rifle

[lone oak]

nani

[west silo]

That's just overkill

The best kind

[slim thorn]

Or a shockwave Rifle used by ONI to score clandestine kill

[west silo]

?

What's that

[slim thorn]

I don't remember the weapon name

But it can harm your organs without being touched

And there will be no evidence

[west silo]

Cupid's knife ?

[slim thorn]

Buzzer (Hard Sound Rifle)

[versed helm]

Isn't that from Contact Harvest?

[west silo]

Man oni really are creative with those names aren't they

Buzzer

[slim thorn]

Buzzer is desired by assassins since that weapon doesn't leave any trace

And there will be no evidence

[west silo]

Now that sounds like something you could use in game

Just point it at a grunt and dead

[versed helm]

why waste it on a grunt

use it on

a Sangheli zealot

[lone oak]

use it on that annoying dude who keeps saying 'I'm batman'

[versed helm]

alright I am down

[west silo]

Because the shields might stop it

It don't really know how it works

Other than sounds

[opal birch]

90mm of tungsten, which is a denser metal than typical shell materials
Tungsten has been used in some modern rounds and the Scorpion is still using a conventional cannon, so I doubt it has a higher muzzle velocity than modern tanks.

[west silo]

Aren't the unsc the guys who also have rails guns and a anti tank semi auto sniper rifle

The scorpion is really the only exception in the unsc vehicles force

[opal birch]

anti-materiel sniper rifles exist now

[west silo]

And are standard issue?

Anyone can use them?

[opal birch]

The Barrett .50

available for sniper teams

[west silo]

Can it be fired standing?

Plus it has less effective range than the SRS

[opal birch]

Yes like any rifle but why would you fire a sniper from the standing position?

It's the least stable firing position

[west silo]

Plus I actually meant the stanchion

[opal birch]

the stanchion is a railgun or a coilgun

[west silo]

I think coilgun

But it a sniper

[opal birch]

but it's not the first thing that comes to mind when someone talks about snipers in Halo

people tend to think of the SRS first

[west silo]

Because most people don't know about it

It's basically the unsc special forces sniper rifle

[opal birch]

People don't know about because it isn't in the FPS games

[west silo]

Yeah pretty much

Just like they don't know there is an AR variant with a underbelly grenade launcher

[humble peak]

[west silo]

Or that the unsc has an APC

Or that the unsc has better medical tech than us

Or that warthog is not the unsc only ground assault vehicle

Basically the all the good stuff is in the books

[opal birch]

But anyway a modern counter part to the SRS is the Barrett and the new sniper rifle that SOCOM is starting to field and that the Marine Corps is interested in it.

[west silo]

It only really has it beat on ammo

[opal birch]

That new SOCOM sniper looks clean

[west silo]

What does SOCOM mean?

[opal birch]

Special Operations Command

[west silo]

Oh

So basically seals and other special forces

[opal birch]

Yes

[west silo]

What do you think of the pelican

[opal birch]

The Pelican is cool

[west silo]

Very cool

[opal birch]

It's one of my favorite dropships in fiction

[wispy wasp]

Is there a lore reason why only gen 3 and mark 4 armor have 117 printed on it?

[west silo]

It's basically a future space osprey

[opal birch]

the only other dropship that I like just as much is the LAAT from Star Wars

[west silo]

I like the color patterns on it

The gunners in the hamster ball not so much

[opal birch]

eh they shoot beam lasers so it's fine

[west silo]

Lasers make everything better!!!

We're the us working on some sort of laser defense once

Or some military

[opal birch]

yes the US military has a few lasers being tested for missile defense

[wispy wasp]

You had star wars, during the cold war

Though i'm pretty sure it didn't exist

[opal birch]

that project existed in name

[west silo]

Everyones using missiles these days

[opal birch]

the lasers being tested now are more for air defense to supplement missiles and the Phalanx CIWS

[west silo]

Close range interceptions weapons systems?

Is that what CIWS means

[opal birch]

Close In Weapon System

they're one of the last lines of defense for a ship or a base equipped with one during a missile attack

[west silo]

Eh close enough

[opal birch]

the Phalanx spits out a ton of rounds to shoot down incoming missiles

[west silo]

Are they usually successful?

[opal birch]

The were the few times they actually had to used

[west silo]

So basically there used when everything has already gone wrong

[opal birch]

The Phalanx and counter measures are the last layer of defense

missiles are the first layer

lasers will likely be the layer in between

[west silo]

I think lasers would probably be the first if they get past prototype

You didn't see nothing

[opal birch]

missiles have better range

[west silo]

Aren't lasers faster

[opal birch]

lasers diffuse in the atmosphere

[west silo]

But yeah the range would be better

For destroying the target before they get close

[opal birch]

i'm saying they diffuse long before they hit the range of the missiles the navy uses for intercepting incoming cruise missiles

[west silo]

So basically there more fit for close range

Missiles still rein supreme

[opal birch]

they're a better fit once the targets are no longer beyond visual range

[west silo]

Aren't you basically dead at that point

[opal birch]

nope

you have a few seconds, depends on the type of cruise missile, which is enough for defenses to track, lock on, and fire

[west silo]

That's a relief

That's actually kinda horrifying in a way

You basically got a few seconds of time and have to pray that your tracking and targeting systems can stop it

[opal birch]

basically

Good thing the Navy likes layered defenses

[west silo]

You were part of the navy

[opal birch]

nah Marines

[west silo]

I always heard the Navy and the army had some sort of rivalry

[opal birch]

it was worse in the past

now it's mostly playful jabs

[west silo]

It's funny because they both need each other to work

Without the army you have no troops
And without the Navy you have no transport

[opal birch]

Like the Air Force gets called the Chair Force

[west silo]

Because there always in air vehicles

So are submarines also part of the navy

[opal birch]

Yes

[west silo]

Is it true that navy food is better than army food

[opal birch]

it's probably about the same, I never been in an Army chow hall

[west silo]

But aren't you a marine

[opal birch]

I will say that the submariners have better food than the rest of the Navy

Marines aren't Army

[west silo]

So every one is there own separate thing?

[opal birch]

in the US yes

[west silo]

Army
Marines
Navy

[opal birch]

Air Force

At this point the US military has 6 branches

[west silo]

Wow that's sounds kinda strange

It works obviously

It's just a little strange

[opal birch]

Army, Air Force, Space Force, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard

[west silo]

Isn't the space force thing more of a joke

[opal birch]

no

[west silo]

Wait it exists?

[opal birch]

Yes

[west silo]

Wow

What do they do

[opal birch]

They handle all of the military satellites

it used to be the Air Force's job

[west silo]

Ohhhh

So they basically took branches job and made it into an entire branch

[opal birch]

yes

[west silo]

I am a little disappointed

I was expecting us fighting aliens

[opal birch]

The Space domain is very important

[west silo]

Or space Russia

[opal birch]

we lose those sats, and a lot of the weapons we use now would be less effective or useless

[slim thorn]

Why not propose to UN to make UNSC then?

[opal birch]

There is a UNSC, the UN Security Council

[humble yacht]

There’s also an ONI

[opal birch]

Yeah but actually only focus on gathering intelligence on all things naval

[west silo]

Plus we don't really have the tech to travel space in any meaningful way

[opal birch]

Yeah we're still just exploring our own solar system with robots

[west silo]

To send a human to Mars would pretty much be a death sentence

[opal birch]

But we are planning manned missions to the Moon again and goal is to establish a permanent presence and after that Mars is the next goal for human exploration

[west silo]

The moon?

So what would we get from it

[cedar surge]

Well

Science

Plus

Humans living outside of earth would be a accomplishment

[opal birch]

The moon would also be a good place to test a lot technologies needed to further explore the Solar System

[cedar surge]

Like the moon would be a trampoline

Wait didn't cortana kill off the moon colony? When she did her EMP and knocked out life support systems?

[west silo]

Yep

[cedar surge]

Welp

[west silo]

But she's totally not evil

343 said so

[cedar surge]

If the unsc did this they would get so much flak

[west silo]

Look at what they got for nuking a city

[cedar surge]

This feels kinda swept under the rug

[west silo]

Full of innies

[cedar surge]

Wouldn't that be at least a few hundred million people?

[west silo]

That we don't even know the full context of

We don't even know why they did it or what made them make that move

[cedar surge]

Guess some higher up over reacted

[west silo]

All we know
Innies attack city
City becomes warzone
Unsc nuke city

That's completely possible

[cedar surge]

It has happened

Like when a higher up did a bombing run on a unsc platooj

Out of panic

[west silo]

Just some fresh captain who made a very bad move

And it not like it's common or endorsed since even Mosman was shocked by it

Yeah serin osman that lady

What was that?

[wild coral]

ONI covered up the whole thing, likely.

[west silo]

No

It pretty much the incident that had alot of people join the innies

Despite the innies also doing something even more worse for no reason

On civilians not even a military target just civilians

It was the new haven incident

It's also one of the main reasons that made halsey decide to go through with the Spartan program

[cedar surge]

Perhaps just perhaps the unsc shouldn't be so trigger happy

Or actually the UEG giving the outerr colours the same treatment

[west silo]

In halo everyone is trigger happy

Looks at the ancient humans that couldn't be bothered to just give the forerunners a Skype call about the flood

[cedar surge]

Five minutes to send a warning could have prevented the war

Or to just

Capture some flood and send them for proof

[west silo]

Or actually the UEG giving the outerr colours the same treatment
@cedar surge
You have to remember
The UEG has no FTL communications, slipspace travel can take months to get to the farthest colonies , the guys that are supposed to govern the outer colonies and report to the UEG are corrupt

[gilded mason]

And then when the UEG actually steps in...they side with the corrupt people that make colonists' lives miserable.

[west silo]

Well the innies actually rose to power

And the CAA was stripped of all power

[cedar surge]

What about chatterbox

[west silo]

That's planet

Basically just internet

[cedar surge]

Planet to planet?

[west silo]

No planet bound

Like ours

[cedar surge]

So waypoint is the first actual interstellar internet

For humanity

I wonder if it would still gotten this bad with good fast and reliable communication

[west silo]

No

One of the plot points was that the CAA were making things look better than it actually was done playing everything

And they were they only ones that could get messages to earth so basically there POV was the only one the UEG could go off of

The UEG actually agreed to have a talk with the outer colonies about independence but because FTL sucks they arrived when everything went bad

[cedar surge]

So the CMA messed everything up

[west silo]

Yes

It's one of the downsides of expanding too far with bad FTL and no FTL communications

[cedar surge]

So it was basically planet states loosely held together

[west silo]

Its gets worse when it could take months for messages to get to earth.
And you know what's worse?

[cedar surge]

What

[west silo]

Those messages could become outdated through that time

[cedar surge]

Like by the time the unsc fleet arrives everybody is already dead

[gilded mason]

And the UEG gave no legal recourse for colonies that wanted to secede. Or really anything to loosen the rapidly building pressure

[west silo]

Well the UEG is basically a government

[cedar surge]

Well yea

Of course it is