She just fired the beam at full power
#lore-and-universe
brisk geode
Who deleted my message?
humble yacht
No leak discussion, real or fake @brisk geode
west silo
No
brisk geode
Then?
west silo
Idk
brisk geode
I wanna know if it is true
west silo
Must likely not
humble yacht
Spoiler chat is not for leaks
main hill
Aight, I know the UNSC used the rocket pod as their mortar system but I feel like keeping muzzle loaded, single shot mortars would have been a good idea just so infantry could bring a mortar to a battlefield a lot easier.
west silo
Well there is usually always a ship in orbit in a unit operations so I guess it's just there standard operating procedures
west silo
We just never seen them in action
main hill
Makes sense
west silo
Isn't the Kodiak technically artillery
west silo
And the rhino
main hill
Yea
west silo
So yeah we have seen them
main hill
There was gonna be the Fox cannon which had 2 different concept arts done of it that was gonna be in halo wars 1
west silo
It looked pretty cool
But kinda left the users exposed
And there was gonna be this giant fortress vehicle
That could possibly use slipspace as a weapon
main hill
The cobra was also gonna behave more like the Kodiak but it was changed very shortly before the release of halo wars one
Oh really. I didn’t know about that one
main hill
I’m one warning away from being banned for swearing lol
west silo
Me too man
versed helm
i wish you could use the cobra in the other games or maybe the oni quad walked from the mega constructs set
west silo
Gotta be super careful
main hill
Anyhow, the Falcon was originally supposed to be a VTOL close air support jet and its a shame it never was added because it looked awesome.
west silo
Well that explains the gun on the falcon in the alexandera mission
That thing killed bansees in seconds
main hill
The Falcon I’m talking about was supposed to be in Halo Wars 1 funny enough.
west silo
Oh
cedar surge
I wish a bunch of halo wars vehicles were in the main games
west silo
Maybe they replaced it with the sparrowhawk
versed helm
agreed
west silo
Well theyd be over powered as hell
versed helm
true
west silo
And the covenant vehicles can barely keep up with the unsc ones
main hill
Na I could see some of em working
I feel like the Blisterback could really work as a heavy gunship as like a unique brute air vehicle
Just take out the artillery factor of it if they have to.
main hill
Idk, I’m assuming there’s a reason there aren’t any artillery vehicles in halo.
slim thorn
Isabel utilize the Sentinels to destroy EC
and Isabel already understands the rules on the ark
west silo
By using the enduring conviction
cedar surge
Well in the games we are doing offensives with marines
And there isn't any time to set down artillery
west silo
And usually only have one ship with us
cedar surge
Usually a small one
west silo
And a frigate none the less
cedar surge
Like the FuD or IaC
slim thorn
Or leaving the artillery to the NPCs like Fall of Reach
west silo
And the books and EU shows there were other vehicles we just didn't see
cedar surge
Plus in reach there were artillery pieces
slim thorn
and we can use Artillery designator
cedar surge
Since you were with the army on defence
west silo
Like the autumn having falcons and cyclops
cedar surge
The Autumn had Cyclops?
main hill
@west silo I meant the FPS games
west silo
Well you have to remember in the games ur usually isolated from must of the good stuff
CE - you only have one already destroyed ship a d is mostly going on a fech quest plus its the first game
2- you only spend on mission one earth before you leave on an even smaller ship to an even isolated area
3- same small ship
4 and 5 is where we start to get some of the really good stuff
cedar surge
I wonder how the FuD carried so many hormets
slim thorn
FuD hitchhiking on SoI
So most of Hornets came from that or transported to FuD
At the end of Floodgate level, you can see FuD was docking at SoI's hangar bay
main hill
Bro no one talks about how much of a mad lad Voro Nar 'Mantakree was in Ghosts of Onyx
west silo
No one talks about the mad lad that rammed a retriever sentinel with a corvette in HITD
cloud trellis
I have a few problems with cole protocol
i feel ripped off gray team being on the cover
it feels like a covenant story
more
surreal sparrow
There r books!?
stable flower
What happened to Voi's lakebeds? In Floodgate, it's like they got ripped off.
slim thorn
Vaporized and glassed
cloud trellis
@surreal sparrow where were you
craggy sierra
There r books!?
@surreal sparrow Halo has 20 books and the first one pre-dates the release of the first game.
surreal sparrow
Well, now i know
terse lava
Indeed, most focus on the time period of the human-covenant war. A few take place in the years following halo 3. The Forerunner trilogy takes place 100,000 years before Halo CE. Another, Broken Circle, is a Covenant-centric double era book. First half takes place in 864-852 BCE. The other half of the book takes place during halo 2 in 2552
craggy sierra
I feel like...most of the books at this point are focused post-war
west silo
Aren't a majority of the books about the war?
craggy sierra
There’s been like 3 books since 2008 that are actually about the war.
west silo
I am actually sad there aren't that many post war books that take place after 5
Make us she how other species are handling the whole created takeover
craggy sierra
Everything else is post-war
west silo
The troy trilogy
Actually you right
I might be that when I think post war I think after the time of 4 and 5
craggy sierra
Broken circle and 2/3 of troy’s books.
Those are like the only books to be based in the covenant war era for the last decade
west silo
343 really needs to stop focusing on forerunner plot devices in there books
And start focusing on the little things
craggy sierra
I’d like that after we get the current mess of forerunner plot devices cleared up
craggy sierra
Yes
west silo
Well it's probably gonna be ok as long as 343 just stick to the plan
Because god knows it's the reason were in this mess
versed helm
I think the end to the whole Created saga will be pretty lit
cedar surge
You jinxed it
stiff creek
Probably
versed helm
if they move it again im done for
west silo
What if they pull a cyberpunk
Amd move the released date 4 months further one week before launch
cedar surge
moves the date again to add viscosity to the gel layer
cedar surge
Ain't that the update that gave like a thousand items and other stuff?
That's understandable
west silo
Wasn't FF14 basically remade because It was horrible at launch
And it became an awesome game
west silo
So what's the worse case scenario for halo infinite
humble yacht
the story will try to ignore H5 completely
versed helm
No Guardian boss fight
A H5 Guardian boss fight would be nice
Also, I wonder what stand Isabel took during Cortana's AI revolution
humble yacht
not sure Isabel is aware of it
the ark is out of range of all that stuff
but i imagine that she'd stay loyal to the SoF crew since they saved her from a bad situation
west silo
It's sad that all the cool bosses in H5 were only restricted to warzone
While in the campaign we had to fight the same boss over and over with nothing new
humble yacht
warzone bosses are just bullet sponges
west silo
At least there different
humble yacht
i mean
the warden is the only true boss unit
all the other "bosses" are just normal enemies made bigger
humble yacht
warzone bosses wouldn't work in single player campaign
humble yacht
at that point most of the WZ bosses would just be normal enemies
west silo
A banshee with the health pool of a scarab
humble yacht
scarab health is basically unlimited unless you attack the core
west silo
So do the covenant use lekgolo as there version of ai
humble yacht
no
shut oyster
I thought the covenant hated ai
main hill
You could have grunt goblins in single player campaign as a mini boss battle.
That’s the only boss I could see working.
The rest are just all bullet sponge versions of other enemies.
west silo
Man I hate how they were disrespected in bad blood
west silo
Goblins
west silo
Mark forbeck underplays things alot
cedar surge
That would make you run for your life
main hill
The kraken would’ve been cool if it had plasma lances or focus cannons as it’s main armament
Instead it’s just a platform to put anti-air shade turrets on.
west silo
Buck and Romeo were able to take 2 of them down at the same time in under a minute or so with nothing but an AR and a magnum
main hill
They probably took out the shield protecting the grunt inside and then killed the grunt I’m assuming.
gilded mason
We don't know.
stable flower
There's no information on his origins
@versed helm Another reason why Halo 5's story has bad reception.
versed helm
Yep
humble yacht
Given that Warden guards the Domain, and how the Forerunners worshipped the Domain for a long time, it's likely that Warden predates the Composers and could very well have been guarding the Domain from really early on in the Forerunner society
versed helm
Wasn't the story for Halo 5 rewritten like halfway through the development of Halo 5?
humble yacht
that's a rumor, never substantiated
versed helm
How else could the game's story have ended up the way it did
If you were to create a new alien race, what would it be like?
west silo
Well the games marketing and concept art shows somethings was mostly changed
Plus Jul getting Insta gibbed on the first mission of the game could not have been planned
humble yacht
it's normal for concept art to go through iterations before the final product
concept art looking different or showing cut content isn't indicative of anything
Remember the original look for Chief in Halo CE?
west silo
That's because bungie had to change the game 3 times
humble yacht
they changed the genre of the game but its not like they rewrote the story. They cut stuff but for all we know, the basic premise was always the same
west silo
Yeah they kinda did
In the original story the covenant would have been more of an alien business corporation than an religious empire
versed helm
Jul getting shanked in the first level of Halo 5 is still a big wth moment
west silo
That is the must jarring ending to a characters story arc ever
west silo
And bringing up worst characters ending won't help the point
Like come on the last time game only fans saw him he and halsey were planning revenge against the unsc
And the next he only has like 2 lines before dying
versed helm
Then the biggest wth moment in Halo 5 imho, bringing Cortana back from the dead and making her into a psychotic space stalin
I get the feeling that Microsoft had a hand in that
Because they have an app named Cortana
humble yacht
i doubt that had anything to do with it
versed helm
I guess but still
Would anyone besides me want to see a political map of the Milky Way galaxy?, like ones in different eras of the galaxy's history
west silo
Like the mass effect one
We do have a map of the galaxy
It's just just not that detailed
versed helm
Show me
quartz topaz
@versed helm Here is a link to a photo I took of it, sorry if it's blurryhttps://photos.app.goo.gl/yyeTzfRFZsSZReg88
west silo
So is the epsilon halo named after the system
gilded mason
Hm?
gilded mason
All of their names, alpha, delta, etc. were named for the order they fired in, so...
west silo
O h its order
Uh imagine that coincidence
My home system has the same name as a galaxy killing superweapeon
gilded mason
Why do you think it's in the Epsilon System again?
round fjord
i wouldnt say jul is a bad character either.
gilded mason
'Cause...I see nothing in that map about an Epsilon system, 117.
west silo
It's just because it called the epsilon halo
It's in the name
I didn't know or remember the about the whole fire in order thing
I literally thought all the rings fired at once
Like at the exact same time
gilded mason
Wouldn't the rest of the Halos also being named after Greek letters suggest they're not named after the system they're in?
round fjord
i dont think greek was invented yet.
west silo
I don't even know any Greek letters
Was not thought anything about Greek
Aside from stuff I learned in movies , videogames and books
humble yacht
-_-“
cedar surge
Dontbthink those are the most trustworthy sources
jolly furnace
The Halos are given Greek desiginations by the UNSC
The Forerunners didn't name them that way
Greek didn't exist back in Forerunner era
ocean ibex
What did the flood do in the thousands of years leading up to the forerunner flood war? Were they just feasting on other galaxies thousands or possibly millions of light years away? It’s pretty scary to think about, the Milky Way could be surrounded by a bunch of dead, consumed galaxies
craggy sierra
There’s no indication the flood have ever left the galaxy
round burrow
yea there is
craggy sierra
As far as I know all the was was the forerunners entertaining the possibility that they could have.
craggy sierra
That doesn’t really have anything to do with them having left the galaxy or not.
tardy karma
yeah ok bub
craggy sierra
But also I’d rather they stay gone at this point. We already beat them in Halo 3.
You can’t do anything new with them marratively
ocean ibex
So then what were they doing in that time span?
tardy karma
wrong
craggy sierra
They mostly spent their time being space dust until people fed them to their pets which caused the mutation into the flood we have.
opaque wadi
there's definitely more flood out there, held for study on the other halo arrays
i hope to god we dont have to fight them on installation 7
craggy sierra
The UNSC has been clearing out all discovered Halo arrays of flood since the war ended
And my issue with the flood is that they are impossible to place into a story and not have them hijack the entire focus of it.
opaque wadi
i agree
the fact remains using the flood will inevitably devalue the banished in their debue in a mainline game
just for an example
craggy sierra
There’s lots of other things I’d rather see the story focus on than the space zombies we already beat before.
They probably won’t be there
gilded mason
In Silentium, the Gravemind actually told the Librarian, through the Lord of Admirals, that the Flood has infected other galaxies. Of course, we don't know how true it is, but he did say it.
craggy sierra
Well crap
gilded mason
lol
west silo
Basically he says they have consumed entire galaxies
Probably hinting that they either infected other galaxies when they retreated from the MW or maybe that they existed before the events of the trilogy
versed helm
I think its pretty obvious that the flood is intergalactic
I wouldnt be surprised if a whole galaxy is one giant gravemind
craggy sierra
I feel like you’re both underestimating how large a galaxy is and overestimating how much raw biomass they’d have to work with.
Besides, if the flood really did eat a galaxy to extinction they’d presumably die off afterwards. They have very little regard for self preservation I feel.
ocean ibex
He’s prob talking about smaller satellite galaxies instead of actual spiral galaxies
Cuz no way in hell could they reach andromeda
versed helm
You're underestimating how much time it had to do that
craggy sierra
The flood can still starve without food and they definitely do not seem in the business if trying to cultivate a sustainable enviroment.
versed helm
the flood didnt have any food on the surface of that shield world
cant remember its name
slim thorn
The flood will be like at dormant like Etran Harborage before the Covenant Arrival
Or Installation 04 as an example
obtuse crow
Yeah
versed helm
It'll still be there, though
cedar surge
Well it takes the flood thousands of years to starve to death
flat bone
Do we know how many halo installations the UNSC has found/not found?
slim thorn
So far is Installation 01, 02, 06, and 09 (If we include UNSC haven't made contact with SoF crew).
humble yacht
The Halos are given Greek desiginations by the UNSC
That doesn't make sense because the UNSC had no way of knowing which order they fired in. Also, the naming scheme was first described in Halo Silentium, part of the Forerunner trilogy
Do we know how many halo installations the UNSC has found/not found?
The UNSC found Installations 04, 03, 05, 00, 08, 07, and 09 (in that order). That leaves Installations 01, 02, and 06 still out there.
well, 04 and 08 were destroyed so we don't have to worry about those anymore, and technically 09 never made it to where it was supposed to go
slim thorn
UNSC haven't found 09 yet (Counting if they haven't made contact with SoF crew)
humble yacht
the SoF is part of the UNSC
but they lost track of it so its status is up in the air
slim thorn
Yeah, but SoF has yet to made contact with the Home Fleet or other UNSC
Rather, they still move on their own
humble yacht
they still found it
slim thorn
True while UNSC still listed them as MIA.
humble yacht
they're UNSC and they found it. getting caught up in the semantics of to what degree the information is public is pointless
the location of halos isn't fully public knowledge even within the UNSC, that's why Miranda mentioned not having clearance about info on Alpha Halo
west silo
So is the ending scene in the fall of reach animation still canon
grand iris
Anyone feels that the marines from Halo wars are one of the best looking iterations since they are pretty heavily armored, faces are covered up and have polarized glasses?
slim thorn
Still canon, and they do that after Halo 4 to honor Sam (Which surpisingly, his scratch on the tree was still intact).
Halo Wars for such Marines are practically used mainly from Winter Gear.
Considering their starting campaign was at somehow like at "north pole"
grand iris
But they did wear the same armour on Harvest but brown in colour
west silo
So wait that's scene takes place like after the didact composer ring adventure
flat bone
Why didnt the forunners re-seed themsleves?
west silo
Because they chose not to
flat bone
makes sense
west silo
Its like there equivalent of seppuku
flat bone
So why did tragic solitude try to fire the halo array?
There must be a protocol or something that doesn't allow him to
west silo
He got angry that the humans nearly destroyed his ark
humble yacht
Tragic Solitude didn't really want to fire the array
west silo
And because all the species in the galaxy were trying to kill each other
humble yacht
he knew the countdown would summon the humans, and he knew the humans would use the portal
that's all he wanted: the portal to be opened on their end
west silo
He did go pyscho in the end
humble yacht
that way he could send his retriever sentinels to destroy earth
flat bone
k
cedar surge
Why did he want to destroy earth
humble yacht
because of what Chief did to the Ark
west silo
Because they nearly destroyed the ark
humble yacht
he wanted to harvest earth for repair materials. poetic justice
west silo
He didn't even need to do that
humble yacht
what do you mean?
west silo
Harvest earth for materials
humble yacht
i mean, he could have picked anywhere but he picked earth for revenge
flat bone
monitors have feelings too
flat bone
all i know is that he was trying to lock 343 out of the ark
i have no idea why
is in-game character dialogue canon?
flat bone
ok then
restive hornet
Terrible Halo theory, Cortana, in her rampancy, mistakenly woke up Chaster Beef (Master Chief in Hallo). So the real one is in Hallo, looking for Argent Samson with the help of Cortabo
cedar surge
Wait Wasn't the planet at the center of the ark had all the resources needed to fix the ark?
humble yacht
The Foundry was there for making Halos
flat bone
I wonder how large the circumference of the greater ark was
stiff creek
Big
flat bone
too big
quartz topaz
Most sources put the Ark's diameter at 127,530 KM, so the circumference would be about 400,647 KM.
flat bone
what ark is that
nvm, thats the lesser
~1,201,941 Km2 for the greater ark's circumference. according to the measurement above ^^^
did i do the math right?
cedar surge
Hm
slim thorn
Because they nearly destroyed the ark
Not to mention Tragic did not read the battle report entirely. Chief did that as a last ditch effort to contain the Flood. If the Halo Array did not used, then the Flood will rise again.
humble yacht
lol, battle report
it's not like Chief filed a report with the Ark on why he did what he did
Tragic Solitude neither knew nor cared why Chief decided to fire the ring early and damage the Ark
flat bone
Cheif didn't fire the whole array either
humble yacht
tactical pulse
slim thorn
No, Tragic Solitude did not read the report
humble yacht
what report? 
slim thorn
If Tragic didn't care, then he would like to have the Ark assimilated by the flood :v
and Gravemind reign supreme
flat bone
slim thorn
Not to mention he just take action three days after the firing of Installation 08
by setting up containment barrier
flat bone
he was focusing on restricting 343GS from the facility for a while
slim thorn
That makes him caught off guard for the whole reason, driving him into a "blind" rage.
humble yacht
must be a language barrier because i'm over here like "whut"
slim thorn
But it gives me another view of monitor like... They barely socialize against each other
Hundreds of thousand years in isolation
But now, considering OOOF (Oly Oly Oxen Free) is now compromised, I wonder how Spartan-II will do next. Cortana could use that again to lure Blue Team out.
flat bone
Crazy theory: ancient humanity used dynosaurs as pets/military animals; thats how we know about them. (they were re-seeded)
humble yacht
dinosaurs predate ancient humanity
west silo
Wasn't there a bunch of sentinels
slim thorn
No
west silo
Couldn't he just see what was going on through them
You telling me there wasn't a bunch of sentinels at the ark?
flat bone
there was
west silo
I must have been wasted
slim thorn
If you mean at the ark, even there is a bunch, it won't just go deployed like that
humble yacht
During the battle of Installation 00, Tragic Solitude was focused on making sure the replacement Halo got made
that's what the sentinels were up to
slim thorn
Isabel even damages Installation 00 to lure millions of sentinels out.
west silo
Wow even tho the flood was all over it
humble yacht
yeah but in HW2 the didn't have a priority job
west silo
That guy has his priorities straight
flat bone
so aggresor sentinels/enforcers are also used for building?
slim thorn
But that's one of the cons as well
humble yacht
the only way to stop a flood outbreak is with a Halo, anyway
the Halo took priority
slim thorn
Since they can't diverse the manpower to contain the outbreak
humble yacht
that was a small outbreak
west silo
Looks at CE
humble yacht
compared to what was on the ARK
slim thorn
I mean, the Gravemind arrives at the Ark
humble yacht
High Charity is like the size of a moon and it was full of Flood. at best you could hope for a situation like Delta Halo where the flood and sentinels fought to a stalemate
flat bone
the outbreak on 05 was quite big, the glassed it rather than firing the halos
west silo
And a majority of the flood biomass gone
slim thorn
and chief forces gravemind to resettle at 08 before he fires it
flat bone
when
slim thorn
Gravemind attempts to rebuild himself at 08
west silo
Not alot
slim thorn
But fails
west silo
HW2
west silo
High charity is barely scratched
fair hazel
Well, he blew up something in high charity, not the entire hugee thing
west silo
Those reactors didn't do a thing
humble yacht
the outbreak on 05 was quite big, the glassed it rather than firing the halos
The majority of the flood on Delta halo had already migrated to High Charity
flat bone
right
west silo
No just one ship
humble yacht
and the quarantine procedures meant the SoS could focus their attacks on a few sections
slim thorn
The reactors did do a thing
I mean to the point where Gravemind decides to resettle at 08 rather than stay at high charity
flat bone
i would think blowing up the reactors grounded the ship
but i feel like the flood could just fix it
slim thorn
They can't fix it
Because the Flood just utilizes any captured technology, not to the point where it can be repaired or maintained
fair hazel
They can fix stuff, they were fixing the truth
flat bone
didn't they fix the slipspace drive in a different ship
west silo
Mona lisa
flat bone
thank you
slim thorn
Is Mona Lisa's slipspace damaged when the outbreak happens?
slim thorn
But only rudimentary repairs isn't it?
flat bone
what was the ship called where rtas and his fleet went to investigate a flood outbreak?
west silo
Still repairing a highly advanced FTL drive
slim thorn
Infinite Succor
slim thorn
If the Flood absorbs enough knowledge from the host, it's possible.
flat bone
but the host has to have the knowledge, i don't think there were any engineers onboard
west silo
And the flood probably didn't have enough time to stop it
Like it probably made it there in a couple minutes
Remember they also had the access codes so it taking longer would have left the plan mot
slim thorn
Do we have a story of how did Buck get stink so bad on Data Hive?
flat bone
stink?
slim thorn
Yeah, he smells like a stink on Data Hive
cloud trellis
he farted
slim thorn
His armor is like full of stink stuff
"Whew! Lord, that thing stinks. Kinda reminds me of my-" - Buck removes helmet and smells himself.
flat bone
idk
unique rune
I mean. He'd been running around the city for how long? Must've been sweating a lot. Can't imagine that would be very pleasant.
Not to mention he got covered in all of that Yanme'e gunk.
slim thorn
He's got enough rest on NMPD
I mean. He'd been running around the city for how long? Must've been sweating a lot. Can't imagine that would be very pleasant.
Not to mention he got covered in all of that Yanme'e gunk.
That Yanme'e gunk is what I want to know how did he gets that so bad.
Because his armor was clean between the end of Kikowani and before Buck arrives at Data Hive.
unique rune
He had to go through the same Yanme'e hive that Dare and the Rookie did, so...
humble yacht
maybe he crawled through a hive as a shortcut
slim thorn
Welp... Hopefully we can get a story about that.
west silo
We can't even get a story about how him got off reach
slim thorn
When was the Rookie joined?
steady walrus
that line was to Dare in reference to the Huragok
west silo
I think a little before the beginning of the game
He is always called the rookie
The way they talk to him make it seem like he's fresh
humble yacht
fresh is relative
steady walrus
Didn't Dare kinda pull the strings to get them squad'd up together? In a way they're all pretty new to each other at the beginning of ODST
humble yacht
no, Dare didn't orchestrate rookie joining Alpha Nine
but she did orchestrate Alpha Nine participating in her mission
slim thorn
Gretchen? No
west silo
You sure
slim thorn
He was replaced to take place of Baruti Komen
west silo
She did retire after losing her leg
cloud trellis
is rookie canon
slim thorn
Rookie was canon
slim thorn
Gretchen was never inside Alpha-Nine
cloud trellis
gonna give him a piece of my mind
west silo
Yeah she was
humble yacht
who killed him
some insurrectionist
west silo
Didn't she work along side her husband dutch
slim thorn
Ye, she work with him at the same unit, but not same squad
cloud trellis
all insurrectionists must die
slim thorn
and Rookie takes place of Baruti Komen after he died during Fall of Reach
west silo
Who's that?
slim thorn
The oldest member of Alpha-Nine
slim thorn
Ye
west silo
Okay
slim thorn
It's a pity that Rookie died
west silo
Well that's war
slim thorn
Because on Alpha-Nine right now we will see two couples fighting each other
west silo
People die
cloud trellis
when I get to that book, I will read it with madness
west silo
Sadness
slim thorn
with no one to listen to their ranting and rambling
I hope Romeo and Mickey can make up for Rookie's role for just "listen"
west silo
Mickey becomes a traitor
slim thorn
Rookie's death is one of the cause
west silo
But is redeemed by the power of friendship
slim thorn
I wonder if Mickey can fill in Rookie's role anyway
west silo
Can he go an entire week without talking?
slim thorn
Buck, Dutch, Gretchen, and Dare ranting and rambling somewhere, they need someone to listen to.
slim thorn
Yeah, so who's going to fill Rookie's role for that?
humble yacht
no one
slim thorn
It's like when they are at Oden shop where the drunkers are ranting about their jobs and the Chef is like just listening
unique rune
when I get to that book, I will read it with madness
Kind of a sad way to read something that's supposed to be entertainment.
west silo
Well reading the kilo 5 trilogy would you feel that way
Or playing the last of us2
Or watching the rise of the Skywalker
Or reading horrible fanfics
unique rune
I mean.
I just don't see the point of going into something with the intent of disliking it.
Like I try to keep my expectations low but I'm not gonna stick with something to hate-watch/read it.
west silo
That's pretty natural
Most people who read the k 5 trilogy knew it suck but still read it
And then are angry about it
Sometimes it justified and sometimes it just annoying
unique rune
Do most people who read K5 initially start it "knowing" that it's going to be bad?
west silo
Well they usually ask people about it before buying it
And you know the normal response to those questions
unique rune
If anything it just tempers your expectations, but it's not like people who start K5 are doing it because "wow this book sucks so I can't wait to hate it".
"grrr I'm gonna be angry about everything Traviss writes in here because some people on the Internet told me to"
humble yacht
i mean
west silo
Humans are very weird creatures
humble yacht
that's how the internet is
people are quick to jump on hate trains even without first hand knowledge
slim thorn
I personally didn't like ONI though
west silo
Its like the coatings they take one look at it and start announcing its the end of the world
slim thorn
But I do enjoy the scene if Serin was teased by Chief.
slim thorn
Serin have to back Chief up
west silo
There not entirely but there not good either
The standard grunts are ok it's the higher ups that are messed up
unique rune
I need to re-read K5 again sometime.
Don't remember enough to really criticize it, but... there's definitely things I do remember that are a bit questionable.
unique rune
I mean, I remember a decent chunk of the bigger picture stuff but finer details get blurred.
fair hazel
what annoys me is when people make 'criticisms' that are just not true/valid. They make an erronous statement as a criticism
versed helm
Is it just me or does anyone else like that music that was playing when the Ur-Didact was brought back to life in Halo 4?
humble yacht
Halo 4 has alot of good music
(of course, it's not like that music was actually playing in the story)
flat bone
personally my favorite music(s) were mostly from H2A
versed helm
I like the trailer music for HW2
What would the UNSC/SOS do if they ended up finding Charum Hakkor?
humble yacht
Study it
versed helm
If there is anything left to study
fair hazel
I mean like when some people have said stuff like "The forerunners couldn't savethemsevles but somehow didact survives"
versed helm
Because that planet is a barren wasteland
fair hazel
and being criticism at halo 4 story for instance, or other erronous statements
versed helm
So did the Midnight Facility get compromised by Cortana?
flat bone
ivanov station?
humble yacht
the level name Midnight comes after Ivanoff Station
Midnight is the final level in H4
versed helm
In regards to ONI, I would not be surprised if they were using Forerunner tech long before the rest of the UNSC even knew who the Forerunners were
stable flower
I thought there was a level called "Legend" before I played.
flat bone
I used to think the level halo in CE was called alpha halo
gilded mason
In regards to ONI, I would not be surprised if they were using Forerunner tech long before the rest of the UNSC even knew who the Forerunners were
Considering Halsey didn't talk about that in her private journal, I'd say that's very unlikely.
versed helm
I guess
But back to Charum Hakkor, what would be left on that planet that would be worth studying if the UNSC/SOS discover it
versed helm
It would leave out Faun Hakkor since that planet is an ecological wasteland after Mendicant Bias, under the orders of the Master Builder test fired one of his Halos in that system
So what is the best way to describe the relationship between the UNSC and the SOS
humble yacht
strained
versed helm
But not full allies
versed helm
They're just allies out of necessity at this point because of the Created
humble yacht
they make an effort but remain wary of each other
gilded mason
They were allies before that, though
versed helm
Isn't Arby sort of aware of all of the crap ONI has done during the Blooding Years?
gilded mason
Would make sense, but nothing explicitly confirmed
versed helm
Aren't the Blooding Years still sort of ongoing?
gilded mason
They mostly stopped by the time of Halo 5. Thel had consolidated his rule by then, outside of small holdouts like Sunaion
versed helm
So is the Arbiter in the latest Killer Instinct game Thel or no?
gilded mason
I've heard that he's just an amalgamation of arbiters/alt-universe-Thel, or something like that.
versed helm
Wasn't that Arbiter character in latest Killer Instinct game a DLC?
gilded mason
Yeah
west silo
When people talk about arbiter they make it sound like he's the king of sangelio
But he's just a kaidon
humble yacht
Kaidon
humble yacht
that's because there is still division between the different tribes
gilded mason
Well, Arbiters of old did basically rule all of Sanghelios
humble yacht
Judge kings
west silo
Isn't the title of arbiter higher than kaidon
And they still call him that
So shouldn't he be in charge
gilded mason
Some people disagreed
west silo
Or is it just a meta thing
humble yacht
the role of Arbiter lost its original meaning after the San Shyuum conquered the Elites
gilded mason
Some still cling to silly ways.
west silo
But now there free
humble yacht
it'll take some time before the Elites get back to their pre Covenant society
west silo
So there pretty much a medieval society now
humble yacht
whut
west silo
With the every land has its own king thing
gilded mason
Sanghelios always had a bit of a feudalistic society, what with everyone divided into keeps managed by lords and whatnot
humble yacht
With the every land has its own king thing
I think you mean feudal
gilded mason
No idea
west silo
I think its mentioned he has some kids in the cole protocol
gilded mason
Yes
humble yacht
His sons were all hesduros types so he disowned them 
gilded mason
Wut
west silo
I have no idea what that means
west silo
But didn't arbiter age into one
gilded mason
Resource management
gilded mason
Looks too bulky to me
west silo
Just take away the back spikes
gilded mason
And the silly uncovered arm
humble yacht
that was my only real issue with the design of the H4/H5 elites
the armor
could care less about the bulk and the eyes/mandibles
i just wanted forearm coverings
Reach armor is still imo the apex Elite armor designs for the series
flat bone
i liked the H2A armour the best
and i like how infinite is going with the elite design
gilded mason
One of my issues is that their appearance was definitely looked to be influenced by the artist's previous work on Doom demons, and that the face design really just didn't work for a species that was no longer a simple "alien = bad" thing.
Though yeah, Infinite's elites definitely look to be my favorite at the moment
humble yacht
but aliens are bad
gilded mason
Xenophobia, eh? Not a good look, Chim. Not a good look. 😏
humble yacht
Tell that to the Covenant. 
gilded mason
Was tryin' to imply a real-world thing.
humble yacht
halo isn't the real world
gilded mason
I meant that people refer to those outside their country as aliens. But now the joke is ruined, gosh.
humble yacht
yeah let's not try to imply real life racism
gilded mason
Fair enough, yeah
humble yacht
not really a joke
craggy sierra
I like the sleveless armour 😦
gilded mason
I forgive you, Waffle.
unique rune
I have no strong feelings for or against the sleeveless armor.
lone oak
mgalekgolo or lekgolo?
humble yacht
Thanolekgolo
flat bone
galaclekgolo
west silo
How did arbiters armor go from sliver to bronze in 3
humble yacht
i think it's just lighting differences
flat bone
whats the name for the arbiters armour in H5
humble yacht
Kaidon armor
young bolt
Hey remember in the Halo 5 marketing when the UNSC told the entire galaxy “hey guys Master Chief is dead” to cover up the fact he was connected to the guardians being activated? Since Halo 5’s actual story had virtually nothing to do with any of that hunt the truth stuff, did that actually stick in canon? Does humanity still think Chief is dead?
I’m talking about this clip ^^^
unique rune
I can only assume they're too occupied with the Created takeover to be worrying about one guy.
young bolt
I guess what I’m trying to ask is the Government saying Chief is dead even canon at this point, given how little Halo 5 actually connects to the hunt the truth campaign
humble yacht
It's canon that ONI covered up Chief going AWOL by claiming him dead instead, to prevent his reputation from being tarnished and compromising faith in the UNSC
young bolt
Ok cool that’s what I was wondering, thx
humble yacht
of course, the games don't go into civilian life at all so there is no reason for the games to expand on that
obviously people in the UNSC knew the truth
young bolt
Yeah the higher-ups like Lasky and ONI definitely did
It would be a cool connection if folks lower on the totem poll like ground troops still thought Chief was gone, and then have him pull up on Zeta Halo giving everyone a huge morale boost. One of my favorite recurring moments in the games is seeing how regular soldiers react to Chief, and Spartans in general. Like in the opening to Crow’s Nest in H3, the marines awestruck at the sight of seeing Chief getting off the Pelican, or Brohammer jumping for joy and screaming “we’re going home!!!” once he gets his suit back online. It’s nice getting to see that kind of emotional connection humanity has to Spartans, and the hope they instill to those around them
west silo
Well chief is pretty much seen as the savior of humanity
To be honest if humanity thinks anyone can save them its him
craggy sierra
Uh
I don’t think humanity knows it’s personally him as much as it’s just spartans out there helping.
They definitely don’t know anything about i04 and the ark
At most they might know it was chief that stopped the didact.
humble yacht
There are master Chief action figures
They know
Or rather, they know what Section 2 told them
west silo
Wasn't that a recolored soldier action figure
humble yacht
Maybe that’s what the prop was
west silo
Or is that the dialogue from 4
humble yacht
But I’m the context of the commercial, it was actually MC action figure
Canonically Chief is absolutely viewed publically as a hero
craggy sierra
Chief isn’t a god in the halo lore.
Him and all the spartans are usually viewed as being on a level field
craggy sierra
It just so happens that he’s the one the games choose to slap a camera on.
humble yacht
And the sapien sunrise event even named Chief individually
gilded mason
But I’m the context of the commercial, it was actually MC action figure```
And in Escalation, there's a kid's toy specifically referred to as a Master Chief action figureThat’s what I’m saying
gilded mason
Ah, thought you were only talking about the commercial
humble yacht
MC figures exist in canon
craggy sierra
I feel like a lot of spartans have them though, not just him.
humble yacht
Maybe
craggy sierra
Also do you think he gets royalties?
humble yacht
No
gilded mason
Yes
west silo
Do Spartan 2s get paid
humble yacht
Yes
gilded mason
Ye
gilded mason
And 3s
I assume so
craggy sierra
It is their day job
gilded mason
Yep, Silent Storm talks about it
humble yacht
Well, to the extent any soldier would get paid
craggy sierra
They’re not just doing it out of the kindness of their hearts
humble yacht
Uh
craggy sierra
I mean they kinda are
humble yacht
They Kinda are
west silo
There child soldiers
humble yacht
Not kindness maybe
west silo
Kidnapped from a young age
humble yacht
But from brainwashing
craggy sierra
But also letting them have personal freedoms is a good way to not have them turn disenfranchised on you.
west silo
Pardon me for being surprised they actually get paid
It's not like there super secret supersoldiers or something
humble yacht
I mean, I could totally see ONI keeping a super tight leash on them all
Like supervised R and R tight
craggy sierra
Yeah I don’t see that being a good long term decision
humble yacht
Maybe not but it would fit the theme that they are more asset than human to the UNSC
craggy sierra
Especially when you’d have them serving frequently alongside other personnel who do have these freedoms.
Just have them hanging with marines in the brig and they talk about a movie from their last shore leave and a spartan just be like “what’s a movie?”
west silo
What would they even do with that money
craggy sierra
I think they’d start getting disenfranchised with their forced circumstances if subjected to that enough.
humble yacht
Apparently Kelly like classic rock so maybe she buys records
Linda probably buys incense and candles
craggy sierra
Linda apparently went to gun shows or something.
west silo
You know what I just remembered a Spartan 2 was allowed to retire and have a family during a genocidal war
humble yacht
Fred probably has a knife collection
craggy sierra
And also stole a gun
west silo
Why am a surprised by this at this point
And oni removing the augmentations from a Spartan because he asked nicely
Yep I am not surprised
craggy sierra
Believe it or not having someone literally own your life is not a good way to keep them working for you without backlash.
humble yacht
That’s not why they removed them
deep pewter
I thought he did more than ask nicely
humble yacht
He did
humble yacht
ONI tried bringing in Randal several times
west silo
And just said ok were taking your augs
humble yacht
Unsuccessfully
west silo
But we're able to remove the augs no problem
humble yacht
Eventually they reached an agreement so that ONI would stop losing agents and Randal would be left alone
west silo
Bruh
Yeah leave the guy with highly confidential information that could cause the downfall of the unsc alone
craggy sierra
Well yes
humble yacht
He had been gone a long time by that point and hadn’t shared state secrets
craggy sierra
This is why you give spartans a paycheck and fair treatment.
humble yacht
Besides it was either that or keep losing agents
humble yacht
A loose end they tried to tie up already and failed
craggy sierra
Because if they do become opposed to you, you have a massive mess on your hands.
west silo
And could have succeeded if they took him post Aug removal
He's just a normal dude now
craggy sierra
I’m pretty sure they can’t undo all the augs
craggy sierra
Like they literally had their bones plated in metal
I don’t see that getting undone easily
west silo
I remember their nerves being like cables
west silo
Like?
craggy sierra
Probably mostly neural interface stuff meant explicitly for armour integration.
gilded mason
Like they literally had their bones plated in metal
I don’t see that getting undone easily```
Funnily enough, that's basically the only one that I could tell that'd be the least impossible to remove out of all of them.I feel like that just requires new bones at that point.
gilded mason
Yeah
craggy sierra
That’s...the easiest to undo?
humble yacht
I thought that too but according to halopedia the bone grafts permanently fused to the bone
So
gilded mason
Yeah. Compared to the others.
Since...these are the other augments
https://www.halopedia.org/Project_ASTER#Augmentations
Like, I don't see these being actually possible to undo
craggy sierra
I remember I first learned about spartans having that around the same time I watched that one wolverine movie.
That wasn’t a good movie
humble yacht
In the comics, magneto stripped the adamantium from Wolverine’s bones competely
So maybe ONI used magnets
craggy sierra
Ow
gilded mason
At least Logan had that regeneration ability, eh? 😎
west silo
I remember that the Spartan 4s have there muscles removed
humble yacht
The adamantium was actually poisoning him all those years
craggy sierra
Actually that does beg the question of if you could just slap magnets onto a spartan’s skin and have them stick.
The adamantium was actually poisoning him all those years
@humble yacht did it actually matter though?
humble yacht
Kind of
craggy sierra
That’s why I was asking
humble yacht
His regeneration offset the effects of the adamantium but eventually started killing him (in the movie)
west silo
Oh please don't ban me
west silo
You didn't see anything
humble yacht
I feel like I’ve given you too many chances
Even waffle isn’t as bad as you in that regard
west silo
I find that highly offensive
humble yacht
Stop posting spoilers then
west silo
It just came out
humble yacht
Not a good excuse
craggy sierra
What? Saying naughty words?
humble yacht
Read up
west silo
When can we start talking about it again?
humble yacht
Read the pins in #485883236430512168
gilded mason
Yeah
west silo
Man I really wonder what bungie was thinking
It's just comes off as weird
Especially since reach just fell
And the Spartans are the only ones holding the line
To the point they have more covenant ship kills than some unsc ships
slim thorn
The size was outnumbered already and UNSC can't hold the line
flat bone
That wasn’t a good movie
The one in Japan or the origins one?
slim thorn
Also, UNSC was outnumbered up to 3 against 1 during Fall of Reach.
versed helm
oop nvm wrong channel
west silo
Going with that mentality the unsc should have just layed down and die
slim thorn
For all assets itself, UNSC was already losing from the start
Covenant got more air force and armor, let alone that they got only around 32 Spartans on Reach. The UNSC should stall them and evacuate as much personnel as possible to Earth rather than trying to beat them.
west silo
The unsc were never trying to beat them
The closest they ever got to coveant space was ziost slient storm
And that's because it's basically on the border of human space
viral fable
In halo 1, when Chief punches through Key's brain to get the Captain's implant, does that destroy whatever information had yet to be absorbed by the proto gravemind, (the information described in the book "The Flood")? How do the flood retain memory. Do they need the brains of their victims intact?
viral fable
Wait, when Chief punched the proto gravemind, that killed it?
slim thorn
Anything that was on neural implant can no longer be retrieved
Also, the Flood do needs the brains of the victims intact until the absorbtion has been completed
viral fable
There's a moment in "The Flood" where, It may have been retconned since, but keys seems to make a conscious choice to push his memories of Earth's defenses and such 'behind' the implant
slim thorn
Yes, that was when he was struggling with the interrogation during absorbtion phase.
viral fable
So, if the brain is destroyed during that process, the information is simply lost to the flood ?
slim thorn
Most likely yes
Since important things are mainly stored inside neural implants, without it, the Flood can't take it.
viral fable
How exactly do the implants work? Can you 'load' memories onto them, for lack of a better term ?
slim thorn
Procedures, important codes, master code, military protocol, anything classified are stored there
viral fable
I know that when Black Box is in Niaomi's mind, he can see her memories ?
but that's a more advanced implant
spiral jewel
I'm surprised that some sort of grapple hook add-on For the MA5 series wasn't made when the MA5A/MA37 was in production, well at least one that could support a 5 to 6 ton Spartan 2 and 3
west silo
Am pretty sure that would rip apart the gun
Plus it would have to support the weight of a Spartan in half ton armor in the air
barren ferry
How the hell does the motion tracker differentiate from friend and foe?
west silo
All unsc troops have a neural lance that helps tell the difference between them
barren ferry
Neural lance?
even so, im not sure how it works when you dont even see the target yourself
or if said target is behind a wall
cinder sluice
You know it baby
carmine sleet
They're going to be supporting Infinite with content for a decade, that doesn't mean the stuff with the Banished will be the only thing for those ten years
versed helm
Ye
ocean ibex
Anyone have an estimate on how fast forerunner slipspace is?
slim thorn
It was varies, but judging by the distance from 03 to Earth through Mantle's approach, it can reach within minutes.
warm dust
From the portal at Voi to the ark it takes them 24 days to travel. the ark is roughly 263,635 lightyears from earth. So, assuming that slipspace portals are as fast as Forerunner slipdrives, the speed of Forerunner slipspace travel is roughly 457 lightyears per hour
slim thorn
Mayhem can arrive from Earth to Installation 00 within hours
warm dust
With the cost of an unstable portal
versed helm
Why unstable?
warm dust
Because the portal was made to quicker by the ark's monitor by increasing the energy output to it but in the process damaging the portal
versed helm
Ohh
slim thorn
Well, the unique thing is Thel can reach Earth a week faster than a departure time.
Fleet of Retribution to the Ark takes 24 days while Thel'Vadam aboard FuD reaches Earth within 12 days
versed helm
Lesser stuff to transport, i guess?
proud karma
oo
barren ferry
Probably like hyperspace from star wars in terms of what it does
so its reasonable to think it probably moves at the same speed
grand iris
If Infinite is gonna be like MCC where there are many games in one i'd love to see a Headhunter spinoff game
Or should it be it's own standalone game?
humble yacht
I don’t think that’s what they mean by 10 years of support
grand iris
They did mention that Infinite will be like MCC
humble yacht
When
grand iris
Or maybe it's me mishearing stuff. Pay no mind
humble yacht
😐
grand iris
The 45 vs 45 is confirmed?
humble yacht
- what does that have to do with halo lore?
- no
grand iris
Ah my bad. i'll take this to general chat
barren ferry
Who would win, a standard marine with an SMG or Grunt Ultra with a plasma rifle?
slim thorn
Lesser stuff to transport, i guess?
I don't think so... The thing is, Thel can arrive on Earth half the time of Fleet of Retribution's departure time with only UNSC's ship.
cedar surge
Brendan probably the marine
slim thorn
Unless the shockwave or pulse from Halo Array did function as propellant.
cedar surge
The marine would be faster
humble yacht
Thel led the Fleet of Particular Justice
cedar surge
And the gun would overwhelm the shields quick
barren ferry
Yeah, even grunt ultras get scared easily
humble yacht
does that mean there was a Fleet of More Generalized Justice somewhere out there?
barren ferry
lol, ultras have shields?
humble yacht
Grunt Ultras have helmets
barren ferry
shoot off helmet then kill grunt
slim thorn
Thel led the Fleet of Particular Justice
Yes, but Thel Commandeer FuD back to Earth and it takes half of the days travel done by FoR.
cedar surge
The marine just has to make sure to not get too close
barren ferry
im honestly wondering how bad the grunts really are if their special forces variants cant even beat the standard trooper in the unsc
slim thorn
But I think Thel does no want to lead the fleet unless he can goes with Chief again
cedar surge
Well its not like we ever saw a 1v1 beyqee3n them
slim thorn
He already pass the mantle to Rtas, isn't it?
cedar surge
We are speculating
barren ferry
bruh, this dude on halopedia said elites are worse than marines
without stealth or energy swords
humble yacht
plasma weapons in canon are much more dangerous than in gameplay so the grunt would probably win
barren ferry
factor in the grunts cowardice.
they dont stand their ground like elites or even jackals do.
humble yacht
again, that's really just based on gameplay
barren ferry
even lore wise and in cutscenes, im not sure the grunt ultra fares much better.
humble yacht
canonically they're not the cannon fodder they are in gameplay
barren ferry
considering standard grunts run away from a single jackal being sniped
slim thorn
Gek' Lhar even has 13 UNSC dog tags as war prize.
barren ferry
leaving an elite to do all the work against a squad of ODSTs
cedar surge
Elites are in no way worse than marines
barren ferry
honestly
they are only like that due to balancing reasons
which i kinda hate
elites are essentially the covenant equivalent of a spartan 3
cedar surge
If the games actually followed how it was in lore you would be dead by the first mission
No Spartan 2
barren ferry
well since chief survived not really
you sure an elite minor
can stand up to a spartan 2
cedar surge
Yes
cedar surge
You are comparing a 1v1 to a 1v4
slim thorn
I think it's based on how they devise strategy and such
cedar surge
Plus
barren ferry
then again that elite made a bunch of tactical mistakes
cedar surge
Situation and context matters
slim thorn
Thel can push back Gray Team alone
barren ferry
why didnt he just active camo, slice both troopers he got in arms reach in half
active camo again, go behind the odsts
and stab the other two
slim thorn
To the point where ONI put Thel on bounty list
cedar surge
Because motion sensors