different people define gritty differently
#lore-and-universe
west silo
But everything time its man this armor looks like plastic
humble yacht
painted metal just looks like paint
west silo
When every armor in 3 looks like a discount action figure
humble yacht
reach armor looks like scuffed plastic
west silo
Someone gets it
stiff creek
Like that spot on the playground slide that is scratched up for some reason.
leaden python
Halo CE's armor looks like it's made of chrome
west silo
You something that's also funny first halo fans say they don't want BR in halo
Its then confirmed there won't be BR in halo
Fans then start to ask for BR in halo
Man I feel sorry for 343 honestly
craggy sierra
Halo CE's armor looks like it's made of chrome
Why you would opt for reflective chrome on military tactical gear is beyond me.
barren pike
captain phasma's armour that deflects lasers and stuff would like a word
west silo
You know
unique rune
captain phasma's armour that deflects lasers and stuff would like a word
I mean, arguably, it's better to be camouflaged to avoid getting detected and shot at in the first place rather than relying on a specialized coating to deflect stuff after you're inevitably spotted.
west silo
Wasn't her armor made out of Palpatines yacht ?
gilded mason
Yeah
west silo
That's like stealing Batman's car and making armor out of it
cedar surge
Who wouldn't
west silo
I'd drive that thing
vague scroll
don't give Jason Todd any ideas @west silo
he already skimmed the tires off the batmobile
versed helm
Lets be honest, we all would skim stuff from Batman
swift cliff
Remy from ratatouille would destroy Stewart little in a fist fight
versed helm
Ok.....
fair hazel
No... trolling?
versed helm
What's the covie equivalent of a warthog?
marble aurora
The Ghost
swift cliff
Spectre
fair hazel
im looking forward to novemeber 20
versed helm
Ghost sits one guy, warty sits 3
fair hazel
specter/prowler?
versed helm
I guess the Spectre
marble aurora
Function wise. Ghost is the equivalent
versed helm
A two seater ghost would be kinda nice
unique rune
I don’t think that’d really provide any advantages over a Ghost, Spectre, or Revenant.
wispy wasp
the shadow is also a vehicle that exists
versed helm
If the Specter was speedier, that's be great
Im betting the Banished have made some crazy edits to the Spectre
cedar surge
What happens on November 20?
stiff creek
Black Awareness Day?
marble aurora
I think it’s Shadow of Reach related
marble aurora
It’s either that, or the celebration of the 20th anniversary for Halo CE.
broken patrol
is the halo minecraft map cannon?
humble yacht
no
versed helm
why would it be?
It’s either that, or the celebration of the 20th anniversary for Halo CE.
@marble aurora that would be in 2021
versed helm
Me and CE were born a few months apart
versed helm
would master chief be considered a war criminal in the real world
stiff creek
No?
Most of his kills, directly and indirectly, are alien.
And he hasn't done anything too crazy or outrageous to humans.
Besides exist.
flat bone
not counting any survivors on alpha halo
versed helm
yes but what if count Covenant Casulties
flat bone
why would they?
stiff creek
Not sure if we can calculate that at all.
stiff creek
And in the real world, we don't exactly have policies on ET's yet.
flat bone
you think they had rules of engagment during the HCW
stiff creek
Not really.
cedar surge
Well as soon as glassing and genocide came into the mix I think most of those laws went out of the window
marble aurora
I mean, everyone Chief attacked was an enemy, trying to kill him and humanity in general
Pretty sure people are not declared War Criminals for fighting enemies in wars.
cedar surge
Well he did drop a orbital space station on a covenant city possibly killing millions
west silo
Then again that was the only way to take it down
Unless he was willing to kill single covenant troop on it by him self
versed helm
Cant the SoS people sue UNSC for warcrimes now, tho
humble yacht
i don't think the sangheili have a concept of lawsuits
gilded mason
I think them doing that to each other would open up too many cans worms for both sides anyway.
marble aurora
Yeah.
Not just the Sangheili, imagine what would happen to ONI
Lol
ONI has enough issues of its crimes against humans.
Imagine the lawsuits the Sangheili would bring against ONI.
west silo
I don't think sangheli really know what oni does if they did war would have already broke out
Kilo-5 anyone
gilded mason
I imagine SoS higher-ups are aware by this point
west silo
Bringing an entire species to extinction by killing there rice
gilded mason
It's not like they actually tried very hard to keep it a secret
cedar surge
Cause arming aliens who previously tried to kill you is a good idea
west silo
Making them an actual threat and continuous throne in your side
gilded mason
Especially doing so in full ONI regalia and ONI ships.
gilded mason
I know, right
west silo
At that point why didn't they just announce they were there
gilded mason
Also, I've been wondering...when are ya gonna get a profile pic?
pale zephyr
lmao
gilded mason
Good ol' peer pressure. 👍
west silo
More like the threat of glassing
gilded mason
😉
west silo
Better?
gilded mason
Yes, Green Sonic.
pale zephyr
lol
west silo
But am pretty sure if the elites knew about the oni stuff they would have already brought it up
Wait a minute if the new covenant had just decided to rat out oni wouldn't there plan just blow up in the face
gilded mason
Yes.
west silo
So they took lose- lose situation and thought it was good?
gilded mason
There are way too many holes in ONI's plan for at least the heads of the SoS not to know by now.
west silo
Hey remember karen's oni elites can't build barns
gilded mason
And can't swim
west silo
Would be too much if they can see past one?
gilded mason
😏
pale zephyr
Id swim with elites
west silo
With there weird little legs
pale zephyr
Yeh
marble aurora
There are about two big sides to ONI right now.
The group that works in secret, that doesn't let anyone know what they are up to, will throw blame on someone else and frame them, the Secrecy group. And then there are the people who go around arming everyone, trying to kill everything, and then denying everything and pointing fingers at someone else group, AKA the Military group
Hard to tell which is worse
versed helm
Hello, I am trying to get into halo a lot recently, is the lore as much or more than star wars? I have played all the games and get the basic idea but I wanna learn more about the little things now
ruby venture
Is this the right channel to talk about the books?
stiff creek
@ruby venture
Yïs
ruby venture
Nice. I've only read 1 and 2 so far. I skipped head to read Shadows of Reach just because I wanted to get the inbetween Halo 5 and Infinite context. Planning on reading all of them though
pale zephyr
Stuff, and things.
pale zephyr
They have a bbq
versed helm
Youre not very helpful
pale zephyr
Read shadows of reach tbh, that's set after the events of H5.
versed helm
Is it any good?
pale zephyr
Pretty good, but full of spoilers so.
versed helm
So is infinite a direct sequel? It doesnt look like it
pale zephyr
Infinite is a story sequel to 5.
gilded mason
It occurs after Halo 5. There's just a couple books in-between
pale zephyr
Shadows of reach takes place between the two.
versed helm
Any more books in between halo 5 and infinite? It seems a good time
gilded mason
Bad Blood and then Shadows of Reach
versed helm
Ok
stable flower
Books...
spiral jewel
Dumb question, despite not appearing in CE or mentioned in "The Flood", was the Type 51 Covenant Carbine ever used at Alpha Halo.
I feel like it was, as there are some places where it'd prove effective (especially in AotCR and Two Betrayals)
stiff creek
@versed helm
There actually is a barbeque after the end of Halo 5.
versed helm
@stiff creek really
versed helm
Lmaooo
cedar surge
What else would yo do after a galactic takeover
versed helm
Well if I was john probably take a shower...hes been on a few adventures in the same suit
versed helm
Was kelly the only one with john that had a neural implant?
pale zephyr
No, all spartans have the implant.
It's how the mjolnir armor interfaces with the nervous system
stiff creek
Most UNSC peeps have neural implant.
versed helm
Oh, so with team Osiris, it was more Descreet?
stiff creek
No?
unique rune
They're supposed to have the implant but I don't think it's included on the in-game models for... some reason.
versed helm
Idk, it was something I always found weird
Because its obvious on lord hood in halo 2 remastered lmao
cedar surge
Most unsc personnel have neural implants
Osiris could just have it on the inside for some reason
versed helm
Maybe they dont need it because they are just built different
cedar surge
Sure are after getting their organs replaced
stable flower
@versed helm
There actually is a barbeque after the end of Halo 5.
@stiff creek Yeah, AFTER the end
west silo
So was the didact the son of a promethean?
Because he had a brevet mutation which I think is when a forerunners from another rate gives you a mutation
gilded mason
Are you talking about the Ur-Didact or IsoDidact?
cedar surge
Ain't they just the same person but the other is insane?
gilded mason
Iso still has his own personality and memories
gilded mason
Ah
west silo
So am wondering was the didact originally in a promethean rate
stiff creek
Think so.
inland axle
So was the didact the son of a promethean?
Maybe I'm dumb, but that makes no sense
inland axle
Promethean... knight?
stiff creek
The robos in Halo 4 and 5, but in 5 they are less common.
marble aurora
There are two different Prometheans
I think he is refering to the original Prometheans, which actually served under the Didact as his Flesh and Blood warriors, and willing were composed into the robots, thus naming the Robots Prometheans.
marble aurora
The robots and the warriors are actually two different things technically.
lol
One just got converted into the other.
west silo
And thus the must confusing name was born
drifting beacon
So is there a reason the UH-144 is never used as a tiltrotor in lore?
west silo
The what?
drifting beacon
Falcon
drifting beacon
Its design implies the engines can rotate to the horizontal and let it fly forwards like a plane, same as the V-22 Osprey
west silo
But it's basically a chopper
cedar surge
Its cheap
drifting beacon
west silo
And there is already the sparrowhawk that fills that role
drifting beacon
...
drifting beacon
You don't put gimbaling engines on a VTOL craft without intending it to fly forward at high speed
west silo
And better
drifting beacon
So either the UNSC are too stupid to figure out how to change flight modes, or they're aerodynamically inept
Judging by the Halo 4 Pelican, I suppose it's the latter
pale zephyr
uwu
drifting beacon
True, but I don't think we've seen them do it anywhere
marble aurora
I mean, the Pelican in Halo 4 is actually more aerodynamic
drifting beacon
Not even in the books
west silo
And there barely in any media
drifting beacon
Not really, it might be more organic, but that doesn't make it more aerodynamically efficient
marble aurora
ALso, the Falcon, at least in game, doesn't do that likely because it was never actually necessary.
lol
drifting beacon
Bungie's Pelican has a lifting body design
west silo
So we can't really judge because it only performance comes from gameplay
And one poor cutscene
Am a be honest I like the both pelican design
marble aurora
"It has a sleeker, more rounded fuselage which presumably improves its aerodynamics."
drifting beacon
I wouldn't mind the 343 one if it could actually fly
marble aurora
It also has more powerful engines.
drifting beacon
@marble aurora Right, but it has more surface area, and smaller wings
west silo
But it can fly?
drifting beacon
I meant realistically...
marble aurora
It seems plenty realistic to me.
drifting beacon
The amount of drag that thing puts out would be immense
west silo
Realistically the pelican can't go into outer space
drifting beacon
And the wings are smaller, which limits its lift in horizontal flight
marble aurora
Realistically they have 400+ years of advancements we dont have
On that note, you should try reading the information about Slipspace. You may want to bring pain medicine
inland axle
Realistically helicopters in real life can't be that fast either
marble aurora
lol
marble aurora
Helictopers aren't really made to go fast
west silo
You know what else isn't realistic?
marble aurora
Their key factor is control
west silo
The M99
inland axle
At least compared with planes
drifting beacon
M99 Stanchion, Railgun Sniper
marble aurora
I dont have all the vehicles memorized.
west silo
Physic breaker in all its glory
marble aurora
Oh, its a weapon
drifting beacon
@inland axle But... what... I'm not calling anything slow
unique rune
I’m still waiting for someone to put a D79 Pelican through an actual analysis to determine if it could fly or not instead of “well it doesn’t look like it could”.
west silo
A hand held weapon that fires a run at 15km a second with no recoil
drifting beacon
Well, Railguns are recoiless
west silo
It can even be used by normal people
drifting beacon
The only recoil would come from the conventional propellent used to kickstart the round
It should not fire at anything near that velocity
marble aurora
Ah yes, the Railgun. Which leads to the age old question
west silo
And that thing is moving 15km a second
marble aurora
What weapon/weapons would be signature for your Spartan?
drifting beacon
Hell, just pulling the trigger would probably deafen you permanently
west silo
But it does
marble aurora
Personally, ever since they were introduced, I enjoy a good SAW/Railgun combo. lol
west silo
The answer is best gun
drifting beacon
MA5C and Gunfighter Magnum
And since we aren't actually bound by gameplay limiting us to 2 weapons at a time
A Grenade Launcher
Nothing too fancy
west silo
I'd go with the hydra instead
inland axle
The sniper rifle from Halo CE
drifting beacon
Too many things to go wrong
marble aurora
Oh, I dont see too many people using the Hydra
drifting beacon
It's a unique weapon, definitely
inland axle
There is a lot of stuff to pick up
marble aurora
I enjoy it myself, but I find its ammo issues...problematic
inland axle
My favorite is, because of magic, it's useless against the Flood
drifting beacon
UNSC Arms standard, but obviously you can ditch them on an op
marble aurora
I also enjoy essentially all of the Promethean weapons too tbh.
So far I haven't found one I dont like.
Though I miss the Boltshot Shotgun mode. lol
west silo
It never cease to amaze me how chief can go through an entire game with the same useless weapon
With out running out of ammo
drifting beacon
@inland axle Well, 14.5mm APFSDS really wouldn't do much against a target that can't feel pain or bleed out
unique rune
Speaking of the Hydra, I'm surprised that (if the WCT Halo stuff is anything to go off of) it seems to be returning for Infinite?
Of all the new weapons introduced over the course of the franchise, it just seems strange that the Hydra of all things is being included. With a considerable redesign to boot.
drifting beacon
And with how soft the Flood are? No doubt it'd whiz right through
marble aurora
I think others are also coming back through
west silo
Like the 5 launcher
inland axle
Well, 14.5mm APFSDS really wouldn't do much against a target that can't feel pain or bleed out
It's no excuse
drifting beacon
Yes it is
west silo
It's really is
drifting beacon
You'd just overpen
inland axle
The sice of the amo it's 14.5mm x 114mm
marble aurora
It would be good if you have a good chokepoint and countless of them lined up in a line
inland axle
That's bigger than a 50 caliber
drifting beacon
Yes, but it's APFSDS
marble aurora
And tbf, Flood do line up VERY easily
drifting beacon
When it leaves the barrel, the sabot discards, and makes the round smaller in diameter
inland axle
The type of ammo that the machine guns use, btw
drifting beacon
It's used for anti-armor
marble aurora
So penetration isn't that bad against the flood
drifting beacon
Yes, Russian KPVTs use 14.5mm, but they don't use APFSDS
They use full sized rounds
inland axle
It's used for anti-armor
That's right
marble aurora
That said, I believe standard UNSC Protocol at this point is to burn it out with Flamethrowers and such, and the Covenant just outright glass from orbit.
inland axle
Also the PTRS-41
drifting beacon
Yes...
inland axle
And the NTW-20
drifting beacon
But that's not APFSDS
Ok, example
That's an APFSDS round just after it's been fired
Once it leaves the barrel, the black rubber sabot falls off, leaving a long, thin tungsten penetrator rod
inland axle
There's no way in hell that a shoot from that results in anything but a bunch of pudin
drifting beacon
When your enemy is already pudding, it doesn't matter
west silo
The floods insides don't matter
drifting beacon
It's going too fast, OVERPENETRATION
It goes right through without spalling or tumbling
Against living things? It'll wreck them
Against the flood, it would do nothing unless you hit them direct in the pod infector
inland axle
drifting beacon
I am aware of the NTW-20
Ian McCollum is Gun Jesus
I am not saying the sniper is useless against covenant targets, just the flood
inland axle
Ian McCollum is Gun Jesus
My man
marble aurora
It would probably wreck a wraith silly
marble aurora
The walls of the Corvette might be a bit too thick though maybe, but the fact this comparison is a viable thing to think about should say something
drifting beacon
The APFSDS 14.5mm round IRL has a muzzle velocity of 1,250m/s
The Sniper genuinely would go straight through the already gelatinous flood without even tumbling
It's why HP bullets exist
marble aurora
The issue with HP bullets on flood is that very little of the body actually matters to them
It would be better to use incindiary rounds
drifting beacon
Probably, yeah
I'm just saying that it's better to shred as much as you can, rather than send a knitting needle through them
marble aurora
They generally stop moving and sorta die if you render the body swiss cheese
drifting beacon
^
west silo
Then again 3 marines unloading there assault rifles into a flood form ended with 1 dying and 1 nearly getting killed
ocean ibex
Why does the unsc navy still do maritime operations in the sea?
west silo
Because the sea is awesome
unique rune
...Why would they stop maritime operations?
cedar surge
Well when space naval support is gone you have to have someplace to store your fighters
Like the drone carrier in CE
unique rune
It’s a lot more energy-efficient to let water provide the buoyancy than it is to have a ship flying in the air all the time.
Not to mention space-capable vessels could be put to better use elsewhere.
stable flower
Drone carrier in CE? Where?
unique rune
I would assume Lance is referring to the carriers on one of the MP maps in 3 that have F-99 Wombats on deck, not anything from CE.
drifting beacon
^
versed helm
An underwater MAC, maybe?
pale zephyr
Do you want a tsunami?
stable flower
So Serina actually left a note behind in HW1 before the SOF went to Etran Harborage?
tawny ermine
Kinetic energy?
versed helm
A rail gun shoots a chunk of tungsten by boosting it with magnetic fields
So, magneto-kinetic energy
drifting beacon
Except the Railgun's projectile has a conventional explosion on impact IIRC
M645 FTP-HE, (Ferric Tungsten Projectile - High Explosive)
versed helm
Are there any other uses mentioned in the lore for the Mjolnir’s liquid metal crystalline layer, besides increasing the user’s physicals?
ocean ibex
Yup, it fires a ball of tungsten at a quarter of the speed of light
dense pulsar
Whats ship damage control like in Halo?
stiff creek
son
west silo
So how wide spread is artificial gravity in the unsc during the war?
west silo
Because tfor of reach said it was pretty new with the POA having one of the first
But then every other book has ships having artificial gravity
unique rune
Welcome to TFoR's many instances of early installment weirdness
west silo
So question has there been any independent planets from the UEG that has actually worked out
That didn't devolve into some innies base or working with covenant still plotting to gencide humanity
gilded mason
Probably, we just don't hear about them because they're not interesting to the plot.
cedar surge
There's gao and veniza
gilded mason
I forget how corrupt Gao used to be
cedar surge
Isn't it technically still is?
gilded mason
I dunno lol
west silo
Veniza literally sold a city destroyer to a covenant member
cedar surge
Oh
west silo
Who openly hates humans
cedar surge
Well if your separating from the UEG you probably don't like them
west silo
But your gonna like the dudes that are trying to genocide you
west silo
No unsc allowed
Coveant member that hates humanity
Well to our humble home
cedar surge
Under UEG control
west silo
Isn't Meridean kinda too
cedar surge
Well the company is contracted to fix up meridian for the UEG
But the company is really the only people there so
Meridian is pretty much under their control until unglassing is over
west silo
Really
gilded mason
cedar surge
Happened to charbidis
west silo
Then why is a governor there
gilded mason
Seems to be independant now, yeah
cedar surge
Huh
west silo
And he calls them his people
gilded mason
Because they govern
west silo
But there a private company
humble yacht
Not all governors are part of the UEG
cedar surge
Governer of gao
Actually which colony is better off
Gao or veniza
I don't Remeber other colonies leaving
west silo
Gao
cedar surge
Really?
gilded mason
I imagine they have, but they aren't "relevant"
cedar surge
Gao seems much more corrupt
west silo
From what I've seen of venezia it comes off more as halo's omega
cedar surge
If we waited a decade or so the unsc would have probably done of a invasion of the colonies that left
west silo
I don't think they can just do that
cedar surge
They have anywhere from 60 to 70 planets their control to your one
What can you do against that
west silo
They need the get go from the UEG and attacking unprovoked could put them in a bad light
cedar surge
Ah
So that's where ONI comes in
They already armed covenant remnants
They could hire or push some to attack a colony and for the unsc to come "liberate" them
There are still some remnants still doing glassing
west silo
So is noble 6 helmet still on reach
Because the one in outpost discovery was a replica
pale zephyr
Apparently so.
west silo
So they saw the helmet and was like
Naw let it stay
I wonder if they took the other Spartans bodies with them
marble aurora
Reach gives massive spoilers to every other game since, that being “Humanity survives”. Lol
humble yacht
don't you mean the other games spoil reach?
cedar surge
Well it should have been obvious in 1 2 3 and odst that humanity survives
west silo
The true spoiler is that after the reach scene the galaxy instantly explodes
Thus a plot twist no one saw coming
gilded mason
based
cedar surge
Its the super secret cutscene if you survive the final mission for 24 hours
marble aurora
If you survive for forty eight hours, you get the true secret ending where Six survives, hijacks a Phantom, and escapes the planet
west silo
To find a new cave
flat bone
if you survive for 1 week, you get the ultimate secret ending where noble 6 takes off a vr headset
cedar surge
If you survive for 1 month,you find out six is johns long lost brother
frank harness
wary verge
Guys Sgt. Stacker is the most underappreciated character in the series. He is in Reach, CE, 1, 2, 3, and 4. He is constantly fighting alongside the chief in game, and giving disposition over the radio. A lot of his appearances are at some of the coolest parts of the games, and his voice is downright iconic, he even gave us IWHBYD. This guy has had basically no presence outside the games, and I think that's tragic.
Sgt. Stacker novel when?
I don't know how he got off Installation 04, cause he isn't mentioned in First Strike, so I can only assume he got home all by himself somehow until we have some other confirmation.
If he isn't in Halo: Infinite, I riot.
unique rune
Someone who sounds like him sure was
Whether or not it's canonically him is vague and undefined
I believe his VA is credited as Stacker in the game credits but I don't recall for sure
unique rune
Let's see... Pete Stacker is only credited for his work as Cpt. Keyes in CE. Credits for 2 and 3 only mention him as "Marine Sergeant". ODST and Reach likewise credit his voice role as just being a "Sergeant". Halo 4's pretty much the first time he's ever explicitly named.
Basically, don't take his in-game appearances as canon.
Also, I had no idea Dee Baker did the voicework for the Gravemind in Halo 2 and 3 before today.
humble yacht
mr krabs is gravemind
west silo
I wonder if he still has the krabby patty secret formula
terse lava
the secret ingredient is spores
humble yacht
Flood Juggernaut is not a pure form
it is an advanced combat form made by fusing several combat forms together
command form
a form that commands
¯_(ツ)_/¯
not sure the terminology is all that clear
west silo
So when did oni develope pulse laser for there ships
wary verge
He is 100% meant to be Sgt. Stacker in Halo CE. There is an action figure at the time with him mentioned by name, and the Devs when asked what "IWHBYD" means will tell you "Its a Sgt. Stacker line from Halo CE." Which you can confirm by listening to his voice lines from CE.
The only thing is he doesn't show up in The Flood or First Strike, so we have to assume he was elsewhere during the fighting for the most part.
Maybe he stole a Seraph. (which are capable of slipspace)
This is why we need a novel. Give him some background as to why he is always around.
unique rune
Except... nowhere on the Joyride Studios figure packaging ever refer to him as Stacker.
wary verge
https://www.halopedia.org/images/4/4c/CE_Sgt_Stacker_Toy.png
Literally the back of the box
unique rune
And later developer commentary isn't necessarily representative of the original intent.
Ah, my apologies.
Didn't see that.
I really don't think you're meant to take the appearances of either Dubbo or Stacker to be 100% canon.
wary verge
In CE, prolly not
unique rune
Because there's no sources that properly suggest, yes, these individuals were 100%, without a doubt, confirmed to have been there.
wary verge
in Reach, and later releases, almost certainly canon.
2 as well, he has a cutscene.
Halo 4 100%, he has a new rank and is mentioned in the limited edition lore-swag.
Reach makes perfect sense too, he was helping with evacuation on Exodus so he probably got off that way. If we assume his CE appearance isn't canon that puts him straight on Earth, working out pretty nicely.
Oh yeah if he wasn't badass enough, he's not just a Marine but he's also got ODST training as shown by his Halo 2 appearance.
slim thorn
Guys Sgt. Stacker is the most underappreciated character in the series. He is in Reach, CE, 1, 2, 3, and 4. He is constantly fighting alongside the chief in game, and giving disposition over the radio. A lot of his appearances are at some of the coolest parts of the games, and his voice is downright iconic, he even gave us IWHBYD. This guy has had basically no presence outside the games, and I think that's tragic.
Sgt. Stacker novel when?
How about Chips Dubbo?
versed helm
Foam that patches small holes in the ship
@Dr.Lance#8076 is this for the crystalline layer?
cedar surge
For Spartan suits no but for ships yea
versed helm
Interesting, but I was more asking what the suit had it’s uses for
Besides the obvious
cedar surge
Biofoam injectors
The gel layer which helps with compression
The suit can answer all and any of your questions
Infared and other sight settings
Lights
Visr
Motion tracker
versed helm
The crystal layer governs those things?
If anything I was imagining that being the reactive circuits’ responsibility
flat iron
Chips Dubbo is even more underrated, he was forgotten by the devs
flat iron
He's the only reason chief lived long enough to save humanity
versed helm
He doesn’t need no f/$;&; crystalline force multiplier or 5cm of titanium to escape the flood and brutes over and over again
versed helm
True. And the Bloke managed to escape them with a raincoat on
Little flimsy titanium barrel around his chest, that’s about it
cedar surge
So gen 2 relies more on shields than armor right
versed helm
Ah? Oh, Gen 2 lmao
I guess so. It’s never said how thick the plating is, but I’m not imagining the baseline Gen 2 would be that much better than ODST gear (given the Helljumper helmet was going to be issued to Marines before firmware adjustments for Spartan use)
At least, in terms of bullet resistance. Perhaps a 50 percent boost, all things accounted for bar shields
The shields? Hmm..
Well Tanaka’s shielding was absurd, smashing through hundred tonne boulders and such
But I doubt that’s how all of them are without some overclocking/modification. Overall, I’d say it’s the shields that do most of the job, yeah
vague scroll
GEN2's all like that
they might be lighter than GEN1 by far and on average weigh between 300 and 500 kilos these days compared to the GEN1 half-ton measure
but GEN2 equalizes the capability of all Spartans, putting IVs on the same combative level as the IIs
versed helm
Eh, maybe depending on the person. Locke seems to be an exceptionally high-end IV, and he’s only just within the range of matching a II
The others simply haven’t shown the strength or speed to. Then again, Grim didn’t put them in as demeaning a light so.. maybe
Chief/Locke: Described as flipping speeding Banshees, making shockwaves with punches on occasion, lifting giant stones, flipping and boarding tanks
Mook IV: “Lifting warthogs, shattering concrete, bending steel”. Not painting as strong a picture
Buck also considered a 1Km fall to be lethal, which is about terminal velocity, and 3.5MJ of energy. Fred/Kurt in Mark V survived a 5MJ impact, albeit at an angle
vague scroll
the statement that GEN2 is a equalizer comes from the Spartan Field Manual as I recall, I don't have my copy on hand to push the full quote but I remember it distinctly
but tbf on the other note, not all depictions in the lore is fully consistent - between different authors, you can only hope for the best overall
west silo
Remember that time buck in gen2 armor suit got penetrated by a magnum
And that other time a single needle round basically KO'd thorne
And that other time buck stated that some guys with standard assault rifles was a huge threat that he had no idea if he would survive against
The gen 1 armor would be ashamed
dusk pewter
Yesterday, I was doing a lot of research on the whole time line and the HALO Universe and learned something I never knew and wondered if it was common knowledge i learned about the Precursors and learned how a beast that was a precursor told some humans a horrific story and most of them killed themselves after hearing it Many have theorized what it was that the beast said, but the most common answer was that the beast explained how as precursors they were able to do all sorts of things and were actually a physical part of the Universe, (or something like that), I forget how the rest exactly goes but it came down to the fact that the precursors would place living things all over different planets They wanted these living things to experience pain, suffering, joy, love and all other kinds of memories and emotions After a period of time, the precursors would turn to a white flaky type of substance that would land on the planets and begin to grown and turn into the flood to infect then and take their memories and emotions before completely ruining the minds and turning them to zombie flood things Then after killing off as much as they could, the flood would return to the precursor existence and start all over again by placing new living organisms down on planets again and repeat this process Do any of you know of other ideas out there of what else the beast could have said other than this to make those humans kill themselves?
stiff creek
Close enough.
prime mural
supposodly the primordial explained what "neural-physics" was but there are no concrete answers
ocean ibex
Talking with a demigod for decades would definitely make you go insane
prime mural
also proabably the discussion of lol you are suppost to have the mantle wouldnt be nice
versed helm
what mjolnir generation does chief wear in h4?
unique rune
Modified GEN1
cedar surge
Manomachines son
jolly furnace
Odds are the Primordial just told the human and San shyuum scientists the Flood's origins and purpose same as it did Ur-Didact eons later
terse lava
Yeah, would say the didact could stomach that knowledge thanks to his age, biology, and dedication to the mantle
flat iron
Is that true, I know a bit about Halo lore but I never found anything that supports that theory
jolly furnace
I mean I can't think of anything else that would make the scientists kill themselves (which I can't blame them for). Either flood origin and purpose for existing or some other Lovecraftian-esque truth about the nature of reality and existence.
Both would drive anyone insane
I mean just seeing normal Flood infection can drive a person insane
As for Didact, he went nuts following that last encounter with the Gravemind, which he himself acknowledged later.
slim thorn
Well, Didact was like submitted to Gravemind's Logic Plague
Even to the point where he still believes humanity must be eliminated
versed helm
Road rage
acoustic dock
what the gravemind told the sientists was that the flood were the universe they were interwoven and one with reality itself
thus they cannot be defeated
using precursor neural physics
they bacame intertwined with the fabric of space and time
flat iron
Can I have a link to your source? I'd like to read up on that myself
acoustic dock
hang on ill find it
i cant remember exactly but it was in one of the forerunner trilogy
the rest ive picked up on from different articles and forum posts
terse lava
The source is from Halo: Primordium and Halo: Silentium
Although no, the Primordial never said that about the flood being interwoven with reality
craggy sierra
I cannot for the life of me picture book John being the same john from Halo 2 who was like “lets ride a bomb through the vacuum of space, and nearly plummet towards earth to accomplish the same task a mac round could accomplish.”
I know no game beside CE is gonna get a novelization but if they did, I really want to know what was going through his head at that time.
cedar surge
Book Chief feels a bit different to game chief
craggy sierra
Well yeah, that’s cause you actually get to understand his thoughts.
Meanwhile I don’t think he ever explained his thoughts in a way even approaching sensible in the Bungie games. Sometimes it’s hard to tell if he even had thoughts.
He’s just a yes man to every authoritative figure in the story who bounces around entirely on their whims.
versed helm
Chief in book has a bit more personality, i think
unique rune
He does, yeah, because authors actually write him as a character instead of a "vessel for the player" or whatever Bungie's excuse was.
cedar surge
I couldn't see this chief doing the warthog run or doing the halo 2 bomb thing
west silo
To be honest about the mac round taking down the covenant ships didn't regrets ship make it to earth
And apparently the ships that regret abandoned at earth were able to hold there own against the 300 ODP and even have a mostly successful ground invasion until truth and the covenant fleet arrived
cedar surge
Well its 300 ODPs in 3 station groups spread out over the entire planet
All they had to do was make one hole in the defense grid
Sure the losses were large
But they only had to fight 3 ODPs
craggy sierra
Well both of the warthog runs I could see him doing because he had literally no alternatives in either situation besides just laying down and dying.
He did not need to launch himself out into the vacuum of space with a bomb that already had its threat neutralized though.
west silo
Well he did that for a reason
It's not like he just said its a good day to die
He saw a hard to destroy ship and knew the bomb had the right yield for the job
And he probably calculated the right trajectory since he's suit probably has an onboard computer or even cortana alone would work
cedar surge
So did hood tell that marathon to take a hit for chief and for those longswords to open a hole for him?
stiff creek
Probably not.
flat bone
maybe the longsword part
cedar surge
Wasmt the where chief fell into the CAS the Reactor? Because from what I remember it was as whole lot of empty space
jolly furnace
We were never told what the Primordial said to human/san'shyuum scientists to make them commit suicide. All we know the questions it was asked by them were about the Flood. That's it. All we can do is speculate.
cedar surge
Its probably better for it to never be answered
Yourself usually makes something scarier than what it is
west silo
Why do people not like Spartan 4s
Is it because there not child soldiers like the rest
gilded mason
Some people have that reason, others would have different ones
Like having their perceptions colored by their first impression with the first actual SIV team they see in SpOps being Majestic
west silo
Well those guys actually reminded me of the Spartan 2s after they got there armor in tfor animation
Before they got chilled by sam dying of course
gilded mason
So, 13 year olds?
west silo
Well more the fact that they basically become the closest thing to a god
Or demi god
You'd be giddy to
humble yacht
sounds like you're quoting buck
gilded mason
Also, like, this would be years after augmentation for Majestic
humble yacht
spartans train sans armor first
west silo
Makes sense
west silo
Um question what's the deal about darkmoon enterprise
vague scroll
read Last Light and Retribution to find out 😄
but they're a very powerful human private military company that formed under mysterious circumstances and are bad news
wispy wasp
what were the effects on earth after the fleet of retribution glassed like half of africa and along with the covenant glassing
versed helm
Book Chief feels a bit different to game chief
@Dr.Lance#8076 agreed. Even within the books themselves; Troy Chief feels different from Nylund Chief
versed helm
Also tbh, I feel like there are a lot more supersoldier programs than what Halsey would have clearance of even knowing about
cedar surge
Spartans are pretty much the only unsc supersoldiers that succeded
Orion didn't end too well
The first class at least
versed helm
I’m more alluding to the ones that have stayed completely in the dark
Probably having an entirely different frame of existence, they’re so unknown
cedar surge
Probably their funding taken away for the spartans
It happened to Ackerman
Ackersan
versed helm
Well, not so much an ONI funding that Halsey could get a footing over; even more of a black budget
I mean, ONI are so cryptic that they have bombs which can mass scatter an entire planet
I couldn’t imagine what they really consider “classified”
I’m picturing supersoldiers which would look very strange and weird by contrast to a Spartan-II
west silo
Do you think intrepid eye would be against cortana?
cedar surge
Like Ogryns from 40k?
west silo
She believes humanity should inherit the mantle not there ais
cedar surge
Well if your against the mantle or anybody except humanity controlling it your probably against cortana
west silo
I wonder what's she's up to after the whole created thing
slim thorn
Hope she won't be act like Didact or Mendicant
cedar surge
Cortana or IE
slim thorn
Cortana
slim thorn
I don't know much about IE
But... Considering the recent Flood Outbreak at Installation 00, if a Flood form manage to sneak into the ship...
It can be like the Spirit of Fire again where they face the Flood Outbreak inside Cryo Room
also, Cortana probably doesn't have proper arsenal to deal with the Flood
west silo
Well a anti tech wave would stop any flood ship
And the prometheans have the best weapons to stop the flood
cedar surge
You know
Wouldn't have the guardians
Become the forerinners greatest asset?
They can just shut down flood infected ships
slim thorn
Bio-ships is not going to do well
west silo
The flood dont have bio ship
slim thorn
They do using their own biomass
west silo
Maybe they could make them but we have never seen them
slim thorn
Yee
humble yacht
they don't make their own ships
west silo
So it's just a theory
cedar surge
Would that even work well?
slim thorn
Because of biomass that operates the hijacked ship
cedar surge
Nothing biological would give you the same speed as a forerunner engine
west silo
They can makes ships with a factory but making a ship out of there own biomass no
slim thorn
Well, they do got a better accuracy in jumping in
better than UNSC and Covenant would
cedar surge
Biological ships wouldn't have the same power of mechanical ships
slim thorn
In Amber Clad, Indulgence of Conviction, High Charity
cedar surge
Probably would be even weaker than unsc ships
slim thorn
Whenever the Flood operates it, they always able to get an almost bullseye accuracy
west silo
Well remember to the flood a ship is more about a means of escape
west silo
But they never made those out of there own biomass is what were talking
terse lava
It's been mentioned the Guardians were just glorified robo-cops in the Forerunner Ecumene. Their EMP blast was only good against tier 2 and below civilizations
cedar surge
Well you would also need to police your own territory
humble yacht
Halopedia says Warfleet says that Guardian pulses could shut down forerunner tech as well
cedar surge
So a group of guardians could actually disable a whole flood fleet
Sound like they would have m9re usess for fighting the flood
humble yacht
they weren't useful for stopping flood that had already taken over worlds
west silo
Well that's if they could fire there pulse before getting shot
slim thorn
none of UNSC arsenals can make a dent on the Forerunner hull, even Super MAC was also not too effective when facing Mantle's approach (which can only make a hole big enough for Chief to go in).
slim thorn
They could ask 031 Exuberant to earn that materials
cedar surge
If they just slapped pieces of the mantle approach on the infinity perhaps it wouldn't be at deaths door every minute
versed helm
So, Spartans were created to essentially silence any militias or insurgents that ONI weren’t fond of? Halsey was just a pawn for their plans?
Sounds like they took advantage of a brilliant mind scientist for their own uses. It was just serendipitous as soon as Covenant arrived for them to become heroes.. they might’ve gone down a dark path otherwise
Which tells me that ONI have done this time and time again unbeknownst to anyone outside of their groups. It was likely compartmentalised to a degree where you only knew about projects to the extent it was useful for you
cedar surge
Well actually
ONI didn't really force halsey
Hasley actually spearheaded the project
west silo
Actually they kinda did
cedar surge
Blackmail?
west silo
Halsey states if she didn't do it they would have gotten rid of her
cedar surge
Or did they kidnap her like anders?
west silo
And then gotten someone even more ruthless and probably make the project have a worst mortality rate
Ackerson for example
Except he just did it to one up halsey
cedar surge
What?
west silo
When people recommend flamethrowers for dealing with the flood
west silo
Completely forgetting that plasma weapons exist and are pretty worthless against the flood
west silo
And a bolt from a plasma rifle can remove limbs
cedar surge
Nothing short of forerunner armor can stop that
west silo
And miljor
west silo
Well mostly gameplay really
gilded mason
In gameplay terms, H3 actually gave a damage multiplier for plasma weapons against Flood
west silo
But that's also the argument people use for flamethrowers
Has there been any media that shows plasma weapons use against the flood minus gameplay?
cedar surge
Hmmm if only there was a book named after the flood that has plasma weapons and flood and is named after them
gilded mason
Alas, such a thing does not exist!
(I don't really remember much of the book, myself)
cedar surge
There is also that flashback in HC in the book of Rtas
west silo
I don't think chief used plasma weapons against the flood in that book
He mainly used a shotgun
And AR
cedar surge
Noninstance of chief picking up a covie weapon and shooting flood?
west silo
Nope
cedar surge
Huh
cedar surge
I remember dying so much in my second play through of CE
west silo
He was obviously playing on easy
cedar surge
Ragequit the first one at PoA before finding out the pistol is god
west silo
Nobody expects the first weapon you get to be the most powerful weapon in the game
cedar surge
Shifted the difficulty to normal for my second play through. Should probably do it again on heroic
west silo
Coward
cedar surge
That was basically my introduction to halo
west silo
Haven't even done a legendary playthrough of the library
With spark just floating there
cedar surge
I don't want to go through that ever again on legendary of all things
west silo
Taking his sweet little time
While my precious little shotgun ammo runs dangerously low
cedar surge
So if humanity just nuked itself to destruction and no humans left what would have happened
No humans
No ring activation
So if the flood broke out and started infecting the galaxy there would be mostly nothing to stop it except for the covenant
And banished
west silo
But would the covenant go there
They went there for ships to finish humanity
But there's no humanity now
cedar surge
Would have the covenant fallen into a schism with humanity gone?
The divide grew because of the war
*Grew deeper
gilded mason
It'd be quite an unknown
west silo
Not likely
It was because the elites started questioning why the humans weren't being accepted after proving themselves after nearly 30 years of gencide
cedar surge
Some elites
I wonder where humans would fit into the hierarchy
Maybe just above jackals
gilded mason
Somewhere! =D
west silo
They would be like a jack of all trades species
cedar surge
Compared to everyone else humans are short
west silo
So in the middle ground between brutes and elites
west silo
But also very capable
cedar surge
Imagine covenant spartans
west silo
Looks at prelates
cedar surge
I know about predates yea
cedar surge
Nah they got killed by a bomb
west silo
Everything gets killed by a bomb
cedar surge
Not spartans
cedar surge
Spartans never die
gilded mason
Oh no...
cedar surge
Imagine odsts dropping alongside elites and brutes
west silo
My boi Solomon deserved better
gilded mason
Lance...has...fallen for the UNSC's propoganda. 😥
cedar surge
No I havnt winks into camera
gilded mason
This guys exists!
This guy is dead!
west silo
Actually it's that oni?
cedar surge
Oh I just thought something
gilded mason
Truly, Solomon is the Xytan of Spartans.
west silo
Not even that
gilded mason
Yeah, and appears in one piece of media to then die a bit later
cedar surge
What if ONI made a AI out of a dead elite
gilded mason
based
west silo
Why did a Spartan 2 have draids?
obsidian thistle
I wonder if Human technology is compatible that way to make AI outta aliens?
west silo
Well it all about the brain
obsidian thistle
Why did a Spartan 2 have draids?
@west silo Artist license
cedar surge
ONI could adapt
gilded mason
Also why was he fat
cedar surge
It is all about the brain
obsidian thistle
Artist license
cedar surge
Its not like its new technology
gilded mason
ur artistic license, cia
west silo
Why was jorge fat
cedar surge
Artistic license
gilded mason
Why did ONI steal my dog
cedar surge
He ugly
west silo
To make cyberdogs
gilded mason
Dog-shaped robot buddy
jolly furnace
Ok so Guardians were ineffective against Flood during the F-F war.
Thus if we see another full blown Flood invasion and the Flood massively upgrade captured ships, the guardians will likely be useless again
terse lava
Everyone would be useless in another large flood invasion
west silo
Didn't it come off as more of a joke?
cedar surge
I mean chief is the guy who saved humanity
So he probably could
But good is known for his hyperboles
cedar surge
Well its for when you don't have anything to play music on
west silo
The unsc greatest technological achievement and it doesn't come with a inbuilt music player
For shame
unique rune
SEEKER-class armor has a full suite of signature masking mechanisms to help Spartan reconnaissance fireteams avoid dangerous encounters and unwanted attention.
It sure is
supposed to do
things
terse lava
that's a trick question and you know it
versed helm
Cole = Furry
stiff creek
Spartans have listened to music in their helmets before.
pale zephyr
Spartan enlistment comes with a free Spotify premium sub.
acoustic dock
what about recon armour?
pale zephyr
iirc recon reduces the wearer's heat signature among other things
drifting beacon
I really wish that the armors had proper indepth lore sometimes, and that the designs actually matched the intended use
There is no way in hell that FOEHAMMER-Class Mjolnir's reduced visibility from its caveman brow would actually be a positive for a dropship pilot
humble yacht
Maybe you’re thinking about it from the wrong perspective
Horses get blinders to block their peripheral vision so they can focus
Pilots could similarly benefit from something that blocks out extraneous sensory input
marble aurora
It could also be that part of the helmet displayed the aircraft’s data readout in that blocked off section for them to clearly see, giving them better awareness of the battlefield
unique rune
Also have to account for the visor not being an exact match for the helmet's actual field of view.
Otherwise helmets like Gungnir or Cyclops would be flat out useless.
humble yacht
I had always wondered about this and assumed that all helmets used some sort of camera recording to project to the wearer, but i never could find anything that said normal helmets used this
could only find that Gungnir (and other such helmets) did this
and then you think about how you could see the cracks in Noble 6's visor when playing as him, but when Chief's visor got cracked you didn't have to deal with that
just seems like there is inconsistency with how visors work
west silo
Well it would be annoying to have a cracked visior that didn't add anything for the entirety of the game
or well for the 3 missions that you play as the chief
humble yacht
true. but still, it makes it harder to tell what representations in the game are canon and noncanon
west silo
I'd take the official written stuff over game presentation most of the time
Because going purely by game Spartans and elites forget there shields exist
Prometheans are made of paper in cutscenes
Oh and the greatest supersoldier and a oni highly trained hitman fight like drunk people in a bar
flat bone
and then you think about how you could see the cracks in Noble 6's visor when playing as him, but when Chief's visor got cracked you didn't have to deal with that
Could be that the camera was cracked?
west silo
No the helmet itself was cracked
flat bone
But the camera aswell
because i don't think spartans actually look through their visors
the image is projected into their retenna
i think
how else would the weapons in halo 5 be highlighted
west silo
By the hud
humble yacht
good question
flat bone
but is the hud on the visor, or in your eye?
west silo
Well we did see in side a Spartans helmet in legends
It was projected
Then again that is legends
So take it with a grain of salt
fringe robin
the hud is on the inside of the visor
a book specifically mentions being able to see a status light from the helmets visor when it was off a spartans head
flat bone
the light could also be what is projected into the spartans eye
cedar surge
So did the flood leave the elites Corpse in CE as a warning or something else?
That's good biomass there wasted
humble yacht
tbh that just seems like a manufactured moment to build suspense
west silo
Especially since apparently the marine was able to escape by playing dead
Despite the fact he would be the first one they probably take
crude hornet
Something I don't understand is why getting punched in the back instant death?
flat bone
gameplay
gilded mason
^
humble yacht
in CE-3, backsmacking awarded the Asssassin medal
in reach, they added Assassination animations, and regular backsmacking became the Beat Down medal
west silo
That's like asking why Spartans die falling more than 5 metres
flat bone
or why a touch from a warthog insta kills you in CE
west silo
Or why knee deep water is Insta kill
deep coral
Well I have an idea of it since the Spartans neural link is back there (the neural link helps the spartan actually move in their armor) it might damage it so the the armor just crushes them or their just like “I’ve fallen and I can’t get up”
unique rune
I've always just rationalized it as getting your spine broken by a supersoldier in power armor
Even if it doesn't kill you, you'd probably just be crippled for life.
west silo
Well I have an idea of it since the Spartans neural link is back there (the neural link helps the spartan actually move in their armor) it might damage it so the the armor just crushes them or their just like “I’ve fallen and I can’t get up”
@deep coral
This one reminds me of game theory
And I don't think that would be enough of actually hurt them
unique rune
I've never liked the Game Theory explanation for it
Because it just doesn't really work out in my mind
west silo
He uses a lot of game mechanics
deep coral
Yeah
unique rune
Even with that, the rationalization just
doesn't add up
west silo
Gamma rays
deep coral
I just don’t understand how if you melee a spartan twice they die tho
gilded mason
😱
unique rune
Like from what I recall, he said severing the neural link causes the suit to overreact and basically just crush the wearer to pulp. But that only really happened with the original test subject because their connective tissues hadn't been augmented, which meant their muscles basically got torn from the skeleton etc.
west silo
And isn't a Spartan basically strong enough to handle the pressure
deep coral
They should
humble yacht
the augmentations given to spartans were done for the purpose of making them compatible with MJOLNIR armor
unique rune
Yeah, their tendons and ligaments are strengthened so they can handle that added strain
west silo
Since the problem was that the suit augmented power couldn't be lowered
deep coral
If they can flip a 50 ton tank I’m sure they can handle it
west silo
And it would be at full power at all times
Hey isn't tank lifting technically canon now
unique rune
And that's where the neural link explanation falls apart for me.
Which is why I think I'll just stick with the broken spine = probably dead.
west silo
But then again all Spartans have to do is think and the armor moves for them
deep coral
Yup
humble yacht
well not quite that simple
the armor reacts to their thoughts but i can think about moving my arm without actually moving it
west silo
It how he overpowered the silent shadow in the sword duel in silent storm
humble yacht
so you have to move the armor the same way you'd move your body
west silo
But the book makes it seem like he just thinks it
Didn't he almost kill him self with it one time?
In the fall of reach when he salutes keyes
Or maybe that was just his enhanced reflects
humble yacht
when babies are first learning to move, they can't fully control themselves
of course, a baby doesn't salute with the force of a 18-wheeler
so if they accidentally smack themselves, they'd be fine
west silo
Makes sense
So should we take the kids dying in training in the fall of reach animation as canon?
gilded mason
No way
west silo
I don't want to
gilded mason
It's a bad adaption
west silo
Because it really comes off as if it was written by karen traviss
Especially how it makes halsey just come off as really evil
When she was very morally conflicted by it
wispy wasp
Would a spartan be able to flip a elephant?
flat bone
the vehicle or the animal?
wispy wasp
Vehicle