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#lore-and-universe
marble aurora
I saw it in the half second it was there. I have been spoiled. I demand a blood sacrifice as compensation.
humble yacht
smh
marble aurora
You know though....at some point, the Spartans will get old and will have to retire....I wonder exactly what is the UNSC's and ONI's plan for when that day occurs.
gilded mason
Well, they got IVs now.
west silo
Replace them with 4s?
gilded mason
So there's less need for IIs and IIIs in the galaxy
west silo
There already doing a good enough job
gilded mason
Yeah
marble aurora
Well I mean, I think they will be owed some rather massive concessions XD
"Sorry we kidnapped you and used you as supersoldiers".
gilded mason
I imagine they'd get a pretty good retirement package
marble aurora
Im sure there is a card for that.
gilded mason
Ah, yes. Hood's clone
west silo
Dude in new blood
marble aurora
The Return of the Rebels!
humble yacht
they never left
marble aurora
Wait, IIRC, Cortana was created from Halsey's clone as it was mentioned in H4. What ever happened to that clone of Halsey?
west silo
Dead
gilded mason
The clone was destroyed by making Cortana
marble aurora
Thsi is Halsey we are talking about.
west silo
There brains get fried
marble aurora
Is it really so simple?
gilded mason
The Smart AI process is destructive
humble yacht
the clones halsey made for AI creation
west silo
Yep that's why they use dead people
humble yacht
were horribly mutated
marble aurora
Oh
humble yacht
they were mostly brains
marble aurora
O.O
humble yacht
only 2 subjects were suitable for AI making
marble aurora
Big Brain Halsey cant be recreated by science, its too much of a natural phenomenon.
west silo
There's a picture with them in jars
marble aurora
lol
humble yacht
but the one used for cortana obviously was destroyed by the process
humble yacht
...
west silo
Or probably dead
humble yacht
is that a spoiler
gilded mason
It's from Halsey's journal, Chim
west silo
The slipspace experiment?
humble yacht
ok
west silo
There's something in the mist!!
humble yacht
because i heard she froze the second brain and stored it
gilded mason
Yeah, she kept the remaining clones on ice and had some people sequester them away.
humble yacht
wait, the slipspace experiment didn't use her brain
marble aurora
Secret Plot Twist: Halsey creating a clone army of herself.
humble yacht
she put an AI in slipspace
gilded mason
Oh, it didn't?
humble yacht
i don't think it was a cortana model
west silo
Secret Plot Twist: Halsey creating a clone army of herself.
@marble aurora
Reminds of the plot of a game
humble yacht
unfortunately since halopedia isn't loading for me, I can't look it up
marble aurora
Maybe someone fired a Halo Ring at the website and exterminated it. :3 lol
west silo
But halopedia is the halo ring
marble aurora
Its the Pedia Halo, an emergency backup ring created to store all data and information on other rings and debug them as needed using its large amount of data!
west silo
So is soren dead?
gilded mason
Not as far as we know
west silo
Because I wonder how the TV series will handle him
In the book halsey regards him as less of a traitor and more of a loss soul trying to find somewhere to fit in
humble yacht
halsey gave alot of leeway to spartans in stressful times
unique rune
It's from Halsey's journal, Chim
I swear, every time you call him that, the first thing that comes to my mind is Chim Chim from Speed Racer
humble yacht
Daisy pointed a gun at her and she didn't punish her for it
gilded mason
lol
humble yacht
poor daisy
humble yacht
Daisy's death is like if Jorge survived long enough to see all the new covenant ships that slipped in after blowing up the LNOS
gilded mason
Yeah
west silo
What worst is that everyone she tried to save died
Right in front of her
It reminds me of the prototype
flat iron
It must've sucked being a human between 2525 and 2552
west silo
It must suck being alive during the events of the forerunner trilogy
unique rune
It must suck being alive in general
stable flower
It must suck being alive in 2558
marble aurora
It must suck if you lived in Mombasa area
cedar surge
It must suck to be alive in halo
versed helm
It must suck to be alive on a halo plus it must suck to be a monitor lol
versed helm
why must it suck to be a monitor?
unique rune
If it’s an assignment like we’ve seen most monitors in, it’s probably super lonely and boring.
obtuse crow
They must have something to do
versed helm
yeah
the ring wont stay in tip top shape all the time
and there's always some fine tuning to do
obtuse crow
Yeah
plucky hinge
In a CEA terminal he admitted he grew bored and had to conduct experiments to keep him busy.
versed helm
...what kind of....ｅｘｐｅｒｉｍｅｎｔｓ？
west silo
Just throwing rocks into space
Or not answering phone calls
And talking to himself about how everything is going to be okay
obsidian thistle
Daisy's death is like if Jorge survived long enough to see all the new covenant ships that slipped in after blowing up the LNOS
@humble yacht I still wonder where Daisy actually died. Its currently a mystery after Sargasso and Harvest were ruled out.
golden spear
Wonder if Mars was affected in any way during the Human-Covenant War
west silo
It was attacked before earth
west silo
Maybe
It was how ackerson got captured
Basically the end scene in the halo 2 terminal
golden spear
Okay...
cedar surge
Mats didn't get affected much
Most of the population survived thanks to ackerson
And the unsc moved some assets away
So mars came out pretty fine
Much more than earth
vapid charm
Hello my bruddas
terse lava
hello
cedar surge
Hello
ocean ibex
What
cedar surge
Yo what
terse lava
keep that rule 34 stuff out of here
west silo
This just shows that things could always get worse
cedar surge
Maybe that was the real reason the rings fired
unique rune
exhibit A as to why I would never trust Halo fans to write a campaign
west silo
So is there any explanation how an oni agent got to high charity and back without getting caught
gilded mason
Like, the whole point of Cortana was to be able to safely get to High Charity without the Covenant realizing it
west silo
What would cortana even do ?
gilded mason
She'd hack Covenant access codes and the like
gilded mason
RED FLAG
west silo
Wasn't that the supercarrior?
gilded mason
No?
west silo
And more about taking a prophet as hostage
gilded mason
RED FLAG was to commandeer a Covenant ship, use Cortana to safely get to High Charity, kidnap a hierarch, and negotiate a ceasefire
west silo
That sounds highly unlikely
gilded mason
It was, yes.
west silo
As in it working
gilded mason
Hm?
west silo
Wasn't the whole red flag added to explain why reach took so long?
gilded mason
RED FLAG was in the original book
stable flower
What happened to In Amber Clad?
gilded mason
Probably a scrap of metal in High Charity.
west silo
So how powerful are unsc ship reactors?
Because cortana planned to use the IAC to blow up high charity and the halo
cedar surge
Well I'm pretty sure they didnt know about high charity
They were going to the covenant capital
west silo
And the halo was very far from high charity
cedar surge
They thought it was a planet not a space station
gilded mason
It kinda makes that ONI guy being on HC even more sus
west silo
But he does describe it right
gilded mason
I mean sus from a writing standpoint
cedar surge
Well he could just be lying
west silo
Why?
cedar surge
Well a unsc frigate is fast enough to go from earth to Pluto in 3 days
To answer the other question I guess
Well wasn't the ONI guy trying to show off?
west silo
Well he was planning on using them to make his escape
So yeah maybe he made it up to show some kinda superiority?
cedar surge
Well if he actually did get onto HC and not get any Intel or plant trackers ONI wouldn't be happy
fair hazel
they were going to use the Long night of solace for red flag
until noble team blew it up
obsidian thistle
Correction: It wasnt going to be used as it wasnt known about for long enough to be considered. It would have been if SpecWar wasnt so trigger happy however. ;)
marble aurora
I wonder if Trackers would even work while HC is in Slipspace
west silo
Well that's how the covenant found reach
And the unsc has trackers that can be confused as blood
toxic brook
#dexterGriffFTW #REDVSBLUE
cedar surge
You mean when the unsc injected that guy with something so that a ODP platform could target the ship he was on?
west silo
Hey guys what do you think of a movie with chief having an evil twin ?
marble aurora
Rejected. If anything, it would be a clone anyways
gilded mason
Ah, you referencin' Del Toro's...interesting idea?
west silo
It's would be interesting
cedar surge
Wasn't that already done in legends with the psychic clone of a Spartan?
west silo
Especially him joining the flood
cedar surge
Well there would be one big problem
gilded mason
Del Toro's idea for a Halo movie was that John had an evil twin/clone that would join forces with the Flood and they would fight at the end
cedar surge
The clone would have self destructed after 1 year
west silo
But in this he didn't
cedar surge
And that sounds like a superhero plot
west silo
Come on there's always an exception to the rule
cedar surge
So why is johns clone so special
Wasn't the whole point to make the clones die in a year
west silo
No
cedar surge
So that the parents wouldnt get suspicious
gilded mason
Well, they didn't want the clones to die
west silo
That was just a design flaw
Halsey wanted to use clones originally
But as she said" the darn things broke down too quickly"
cedar surge
How would the clone even join the flood
The flood only came into play twice in the war
10 years into it in HW
And at the end in 2 and 3
gilded mason
That's why it's just a silly idea some movie director had, and not, like, an actual thing that made it in
cedar surge
One forgotten to history
And the other heavily classified
Plus wouldnt the flood just kinda absorb the clone
And just absorbed plenty of important people
Like regret
And truth
gilded mason
I imagine Del Toro didn't know much about Halo when he said that.
west silo
Eh more weird things have been pitched for halo
cedar surge
Like did he think the flood were just space zombies?
west silo
Anyone remember halo chronicles?
gilded mason
Where a normal human gradually turns into a Promethean?
west silo
Ye
marble aurora
I would think the Flood is widely known about after the Elites who are now our allies had to glass half a continent to stop it.
cedar surge
Like
west silo
And transformed into a missile as one of his attacks
terse lava
Whats going on here now?
west silo
You heard me
west silo
Turning into missiles
marble aurora
So I think most people know about the Flood by now
gilded mason
We're talking about real-life. And also: The UNSC lied about that and said it was the Covenant glassing the place, not due to the Flood or anything
west silo
It also inspired district 9
cedar surge
Outside of halo they are mostly known as space zombies
marble aurora
Also no, that “slowly turning into a Promethean” is not only dumb but impossible
terse lava
Common civvies wouldn't know of the flood, unless they are Covenant ones
gilded mason
It wouldn't have been impossible back then
Because that was the first time Prometheans were being thought about
cedar surge
Dang I wish halo got a movie like the cgi trailers
west silo
Instead were getting a series!!!
marble aurora
Prometheans are robots in the first place.
gilded mason
Prometheans didn't have lore back when Chronicles was being thought up.
west silo
Prometheans
marble aurora
Tbh I still don’t understand why humans need to be composed to make them.
cedar surge
Well they are human who got turned into prometheans AI
west silo
Are forerunner soldiers in armor
cedar surge
The didact was feeling mad that day
marble aurora
Lol
west silo
Because soul food
gilded mason
Because Promethean Knights are all digital, not biological
To combat the Flood better
grave swift
Well, you don't need humans. You just need a bio being to convert to into one better suited to fight the Flood. The Didact simply got soldiers he needed and imprisoned an enemy he hated. Two birds one stone.
gilded mason
^
cedar surge
And who better than a bunch of backwater people of your former enemy
gilded mason
This might be controversial, but...the Didiact was a little bit of a jerk!
marble aurora
But yeah, Prometheans, at least the physical parts, are robots.
So it’s impossible for some virus or disease to turn people into them
gilded mason
I don't think we disputed that
marble aurora
Someone did
grave swift
Well, I'd assume the Forerunners who became Knights had their mental processes in check and could command those made from humans which probably had their mental processes reduced to be easily controlled.
gilded mason
No, I'm saying that back when Chronicles was being made, it would not have been impossible
humble yacht
Technovirus from X-men
gilded mason
Because Chronicles would have been the first time Prometheans were being used
gilded mason
No idea
marble aurora
I’m curious as to why Prometheans appear though on Genesis and with Guardians though tbh
cedar surge
That you get your soldiers from slowly turning people into robots
While they are still able to use everything
marble aurora
Since supposedly they were all supposed to be on Requiem
grave swift
I'm willing to bet Guardians could carry a contingent of forces with them.
humble yacht
Slipspace teleportation is a thing
cedar surge
They were locked at reqieum before chief opened it
marble aurora
I’m talking about the Prometheans on Genesis, not the Guardians
grave swift
I'd assume they came with the Guardians.
cedar surge
Then they hitched a ride onto q guardian to get to genesis I think
west silo
Yeah the Guardian brought Them
humble yacht
@grave swift decepticon cobra?
grave swift
Yes
humble yacht
I’d recognize that pfp anywhere
grave swift
I don't make it hard lol
marble aurora
But they have blatant weapon storage areas there, along with Warden Eternal himself having multiple bodies there
grave swift
Also, I really dislike Genesis as a thing
marble aurora
So it seems like Prometheans were always there, even before Guardians
grave swift
The idea of a seed world? Cool. But it just happens to have a super-duper secret access point to the Domain? Why?
marble aurora
DC, I can understand that, but I can’t agree with it. Especially because Exhuberant Witness is my favorite monitor at the moment
cedar surge
Didn't some covenant think genesis was the last destination on the great journey?
humble yacht
I think they though that about maethrillian
marble aurora
“Here have a tank!”
“Omg finally! A useful monitor! And she gave me a tank!
grave swift
I also take issue with it being a Builder world when it's emphasis on natural features is way more akin to Lifeworkers
marble aurora
All Forerunner worlds, including massive military bases, have natural features
cedar surge
Well its not like people are locked eternally to one building style
grave swift
It's a personal issue, I'll admit.
grave swift
Also, why did the Didact's ship supposedly crash there? Missed opporunity to walk through the wreakge
marble aurora
Anyways, Witness is there, and she gave me a Tank, so I’m favorable to it and her. Lol
west silo
Well no reason too
humble yacht
Something something ship seed, seed world
marble aurora
Oh yeah
marble aurora
Apparently some ships are “grown” supposedly, though I suspect some colorful language was used for that description
grave swift
Well, I've ranted before, but I still hate how Chief states the ship went into slipspace when that never happened in Halo 4. I could understand repairs, but I wish that was actually conveyed rather than stated in a forum post and then said in 5 as if it always happened
gilded mason
John said that in Halo 5, referencing a forum post by Catalog several years earlier
grave swift
Nah, Catalog said it first then Chief says in 5. Yet never brings it up in Escalation.
humble yacht
Several years
grave swift
Unless I imagined the debris field after a nuke went off lol
humble yacht
H5 only came out 3 years after 4 
gilded mason
Don't get caught up on semantics, Chim. ;)
cedar surge
So nobody noticed some of the ship escaping into slipspace?
west silo
Well isn't the mantles approach huge
cedar surge
Bigger than both death stars
gilded mason
Way too huge
cedar surge
Its kinda ridiculous
west silo
The debris field is way to small if you ask me
grave swift
Which makes me skeptical of the idea that Cortana's return was always planned since this is a glaring problem.
cedar surge
The ship looks way smaller than it actually is
gilded mason
It's as big as High Charity, and it does not look it.
gilded mason
Especially at the start of Composer when you see all the ships around it when it comes out of slipspace
cedar surge
Till he became a comic book villan and got stomped
grave swift
Warden was 100% supposed to be a digital Didact
west silo
Halo 5 concept art pretty much confirms it
humble yacht
Cortana somehow following the Didact through slipspace wouldn’t have been hard to implement without the whole ship going
west silo
But was scrapped for necrocortana
humble yacht
There was a giant slipspace portal right below the composer
cedar surge
So Cortan a could free the humans in the prometheans,right?
west silo
But wouldn't she land were the didact was?
gilded mason
She could, but she doesn't want to
humble yacht
Maybe AI navigate slipspace differently
cedar surge
Actually arnt most of the prometheans free since they got launched into the sun?
grave swift
Now, had she fallen in with the Didact and used his armor as a connector to the Domain, ok I'm with it. But 5 pretty uch implies the ship crashes on Genesis and thats how she accesses it.
west silo
There souls probably returned to the abyss
west silo
To be used once more
gilded mason
Nope
cedar surge
I moved over that part in escalations
humble yacht
Not sure if the section of gamma holding the control room also held the abyss
grave swift
Promethean AIs data purge themselves, so unless quickly revived they are gone.
cedar surge
Diavolo
grave swift
But there are still plenty around, probably hundreds of thousands since New Pheonix had 5 million people. Doubt they all died on Requiem.
west silo
Jojo fan I see
cedar surge
Yea
humble yacht
Yeah requiem only had ones who had been put into frames
west silo
Dio should have got it
cedar surge
Thaat also means kids also got turned into prometheans. Which is sad
humble yacht
Most are probably still writhing in the abyss, waiting to be used
cedar surge
Well yea dio was more deserving
grave swift
And I'm sure Cortana doesn't care given she all but threatened to do the same to any who oppose her.
cedar surge
You think if Cortan a ever achieved her galactic peace she would let them go?
west silo
Well more like halo them
gilded mason
What a gal, that Cortana
grave swift
Hell no lol
west silo
Cortana evolved from sassy to
Yandere
cedar surge
So enslaved forever till they get destroyed
west silo
Perfect
cedar surge
Sad
grave swift
She's evil now, so of course.
west silo
Notice me senpai!!
cedar surge
That enslaved forever and joining a collective thing kinda sounds like the flood
grave swift
Oh, forgot, we can't say she's evil, just doing something we disagree with.
gilded mason
lol
humble yacht
Man y’all some grudge holders
west silo
Man were probably gonna kill her
cedar surge
Well we are only brutes
west silo
An that's ok
gilded mason
Hey, it was pretty notable.
grave swift
Oh Chimera I know its petty, but to see Halo's usual moral compleity dip THAT low was a sad time.
humble yacht
What moral
west silo
And that's coming from halsey y'all
gilded mason
Alongside killing all the humans on Balaho.
west silo
Alongside killing all the humans on Balaho.
@gilded mason
Why did she even do that ?
gilded mason
No idea
grave swift
"I hear you're a fascist now, Cortana."
west silo
That was just sinister
grave swift
It's also pretty bad if you consider the whole thing with Warden attacking Blue Team on Genesis only for Cortana to save them was probably just an act by Cortana.
gilded mason
Yeh
humble yacht
Maybe
west silo
That's what am saying
cedar surge
She doesn't really seem like a good guy unless you submit to her
And after that you are constantly survailed
west silo
She's the good guy?
grave swift
Hence why I still wonder why we can't call her evil.
west silo
Man I need to put on my glasses
cedar surge
From a poin5 of view
humble yacht
She’s lawful evil
cedar surge
Somewhere
gilded mason
More an abusive person that gives moments of comfort
gilded mason
Back when H5 first released, 343 had a post-launch video talking about Cortana
And they said Cortana wasn't really "evil", just somebody we might disagree with.
grave swift
And there was the NeoGAF posts...
gilded mason
Oh yeah, that too
grave swift
And TIME Magazine...
west silo
That is stupid
cedar surge
I think she killed like a few million just with the EMP alone
west silo
Maybe her intentions isn't evil
But her actions is
gilded mason
RIP Sydney
cedar surge
And john put it best
west silo
She's a dictator
humble yacht
Petty levels rising
cedar surge
The more she tightens her grip the more insurgents will slip out
She is just creating more enemies
gilded mason
Just like Leia said in Star Wars!
grave swift
Totally petty, absolutely.
west silo
What's worst is that she has the tech to put them down with out causing any major damage
cedar surge
I mean the only good perspective we've seen is her helping the grunts at balhblo
grave swift
And thats still at the end of a gun to their heads
humble yacht
It’s harder to subdue someone safely when they resist
west silo
The Guardians out class eveyone unsc ship
gilded mason
Though that was immediately soured by the embassy stuff
cedar surge
Maybe they wouldn't resist if you didnt put a gun to their heads
west silo
The only one that stands a chance is the infinity
grave swift
But hey we've got the Banished now so who cared about the Created lol
gilded mason
lol
cedar surge
I like the banished more
west silo
Well there still at large
gilded mason
The Banished are chumps
west silo
Just small stories
humble yacht
People who resist with a gun to their head are prepared for the result
cedar surge
Resist the created,return to monke
grave swift
A consistent enemy would be nice you know?
craggy sierra
The banished are still equally as impacted by the created as humanity is
humble yacht
Like those tea party people in mass
cedar surge
Well they managed to slip out from under cortana pretty easier than the unsc
west silo
But really why basically glass an entire planet than just destroy there military?
west silo
P2W
grave swift
Hey, if 343 decide to keep the Created around despite Infinite seemingly having a big focus on the Banished, I'll just be happy they decided to salvage somethng rather than throw it away for a change.
cedar surge
If the covenant got the cheat codes,cortana hacked the entire game
craggy sierra
it’s also kind of impossible to throw away something like the created.
grave swift
Well, I thought the Didact would be Chief's nemesis but look how that went.
west silo
Especially when it continues off of 5
humble yacht
The created have potential as an antagonist, it’s nice for something to not be threatening humanity’s survival for once
craggy sierra
I don’t know if anyone thought that of the didact
gilded mason
343 did.
grave swift
That's how 343 marketed him
marble aurora
Plot Twist: Warden Eternal was Didact all along
cedar surge
That's kinda like empire strikes back and then in a new Jedi we fighting the first order now
craggy sierra
People who only play games thought he died in 4 and people who follow the lore saw him get composed.
cedar surge
Well humanity is pretty much surrounded by enemies on all sides
humble yacht
James Spader should have voiced Warden
craggy sierra
Everyone is enemies to eachother after the war
cedar surge
Covenant remnants,innies,flood,forerunner constructs
marble aurora
Lol
grave swift
Which shouldn't be the case. Not every alien faction needs to hate humans especially when there shouldn't be a reason. Like the Banished.
cedar surge
The amount of times home fleet got destroyed
marble aurora
If James Spader voiced Warden, people would demand he be the main protagonist possibly. Lol
cedar surge
Well the keepers of the one freedom allow humans in
craggy sierra
I don’t know if I’d say flood have been that present of a threat since the war. There’s been one thing isolated with them on the ark.
west silo
Spoilers
cedar surge
What
west silo
Or is that allowed now?
cedar surge
That's in a teaser for infinite
humble yacht
Place don’t talk about anything from sor
cedar surge
Remember?
grave swift
Got it.
cedar surge
The one that revealed the banished?
grave swift
Sometimes it's tough for me to contetaulize what contisututes a spoiler. My mind goes towards major reveals.
craggy sierra
Tbh I’m fine with the post-war era not really having a consistent enemy. Things are fractured and hectic and half the galaxy is in civil war with itself.
gilded mason
I just wish post-war had more time to breathe with less major stuff
cedar surge
Well there has been 3 big bad enemies so far
humble yacht
I’d like to see a post infinite setting where cortana is removed as a threat but remains antagonistic
grave swift
I wouldn't mind that either. But we've gone from the Didact to Cortana to the Banished. In three games.
cedar surge
Like she got locked in her part of the galaxy but still tries to influence events?
humble yacht
Like she’s locked in a closed network under ONI custody
cedar surge
Like trying to start a full blown unsc civil war
craggy sierra
So real speak, I feel like they might have legitimately struggled to figure out what to do with the Didact after Halo 4.
humble yacht
An Arkham asylum for AI
cedar surge
Using false info
grave swift
Honestly, I'd prefer her taken out and someone else trying to keep her dream alive. Someone like Sloan.
humble yacht
Ew, Sloan gross
cedar surge
Well that's like if after palpy died that red guard took over the empire
grave swift
I liked Sloan. In truth, his Meridian was basically a model for what should be.
grave swift
Pretty much was lol
gilded mason
based sloan
cedar surge
A Is and humans living in harmony(with the A Is not giving everyone the threat of death)
craggy sierra
Like the Didact may have fallen into the issue of the flood where the threat they pose outweighs any merit to their backstory and having a guy able to just vaporize entire planet populations in minutes seems even harder to write as a recurring villain than the flood.
humble yacht
I kinda want ilsa Zane to come back, but with armor this time
grave swift
I just thought the dynamic was cool. The whole "Sometimes he talks in different voices but hey at least hes honest" intel you can find was funny.
cedar surge
She just comes back with aarmor she stole off of a sleeping Spartan
cedar surge
Is that really possible tho?
humble yacht
Buccaneer armor was supposed to like off brand MJOLNIR
west silo
Maybe
cedar surge
They need establish facilities to be made
grave swift
I think by the time the Created threat ends there should be MJOLNIR and augmentation stuff leaked out to rebel groups.
cedar surge
And the innies don't have that thing I think
marble aurora
I think it would be cool if some characters from HW/HW2 appeared in Infinite, and/or characters from the FPS Halo Games came and appeaared in HW3.
grave swift
I mean more like the Innies makes their own Spartans or Spartan-like forces
cedar surge
Unless she Scavanged old Spartan armor from old battlefields which would actually be cool in its own way
craggy sierra
I don’t know if that stuff is really feasible. Like it’s possoble it could get leaked to them but in spite of Spartan 4’s being more cost efficient, they’re still hella expensive to produce. I don’t see rebel groups having the resources.
humble yacht
How long were ilsa and Mickey with their innie groups?
west silo
There are innie Spartan substitutes they just don't last
humble yacht
And how much did a typical spartan recruit understand their augments?
grave swift
Might depend on the group. Venezia was a hotspot for all sorts of salvage and gear. If any planet outside the UNSC could do it, it'd be them.
craggy sierra
Also yeah, Spartans aren’t biologists either. They would be zero help in helping people replicate their augments.
west silo
It's basically halo omega
cedar surge
Probably the most diverse planets in human space
craggy sierra
Tbh they’re probably kept in the dark intentionally.
cedar surge
Aside from gao
grave swift
Well, the Spartan-IV augs can seemingly turn anyone into a Spartan, so I'd reckon itd be a bit easier than shooting for pure S-II goodness.
humble yacht
I don’t think innies would use kids anyway
cedar surge
Certain
craggy sierra
Those are still really bloody expensive and created/administered by medical professionals.
cedar surge
There are some innies I think who wouldnt hesitate
grave swift
Just need some renegade UNSC or ONI folks
cedar surge
All to destroy the unsc
west silo
And surprisingly oni has alot
humble yacht
Using kids seems like the kind of behavior the innies are fighting against
cedar surge
They suspect everyone but themselves
grave swift
Surprise surprise, the stab in the back folks get stabbed in the back
humble yacht
When a rebellion stoops to its oppressor’s level, it loses itself
west silo
Like some of them were even in the Spartans program
cedar surge
Well Remeber that you said that innies are not one specific group?
west silo
Not as Spartans
cedar surge
At least I think it was you
But yea they are made of many smaller groups
Plus innies have gone down to the unsc level before
Like nuking civilians
craggy sierra
The goal of the insurrectionists is to gain independence for themselves from the UNSC. Not beat the UNSC.
marble aurora
I think it might be possible for the Rebels to maybe develop a project like the Spartans, but likely never to the scale, or with the funding, the UNSC had.
cedar surge
Well for some
grave swift
Really the only one who would win with the UNSC and innies havign augmented people is the Librarian since she wants all humans to go down that path.
craggy sierra
They’re not interested in escalating war to the point of making spartans.
west silo
Some just want to watch them burn
cedar surge
Some innies want the destruction of the unsc as a whole
marble aurora
They would need to steal a lot just to get close to maybe producing one or two.
cedar surge
Not every innies group has the same goal
west silo
And to be honest there are unsc free worlds
west silo
And look how they turned out
marble aurora
Also, some Rebels I think are just in it for personal profit or power
west silo
One of gave gek a city destroying weapon
humble yacht
I thought cutter’s son wanted revenge
west silo
And it was probably a planet buster
marble aurora
Doesn't Forge have a sister or such looking for him?
cedar surge
He actually tried to use a "do you know who I am" on palmer
grave swift
Then again, once the Created are gone that's going to leave a lot of abanonded UNSC facilities ripe for the picking as they scramble to recover.
humble yacht
Didn’t he reject all the freebies offered to him by Hood?
marble aurora
Or was it a daughter...
west silo
Didn't hood give him everything he wanted?
craggy sierra
Daughter
cedar surge
Yea chimera
marble aurora
Ah
grave swift
I still don't get why they made Cutter an adulturer.
cedar surge
That hood was helping him
marble aurora
Like, there are so many characters not in the games that I really want to appear in the games TBH
cedar surge
He was mad he succeed through nepotism
humble yacht
I still don't get why they made Cutter an adulturer.
Why do characters have to be flawless?
west silo
Cole was too
marble aurora
All characters have flaws
west silo
And he's a great character
cedar surge
Cole best admiral
humble yacht
Well I guess I mean protags, specifically
grave swift
Doesn't have to be flawless, but it seemed so out of place given how much he missed his family in Halo: Genesis.
cedar surge
Maybe it was a mistake or something else we donr know happen
humble yacht
Adulterers don’t Inherently not love their family
marble aurora
But yeah, I would love to see some of the family members of the Spirit of Fire appear in Halo Infinite, as unlikely and likely impossible as it is.
grave swift
I don't know, it just seemed like a wierd thing to tack on.
cedar surge
Wouldn't mosr of them be dead
west silo
Yes
cedar surge
And i think that adds some humanity to cutter
humble yacht
Yeah cause humans suck
cedar surge
Shows he aint perfect
marble aurora
Maybe Arbiter will appear again as a playable character! Its not going to happen, but one can dream
grave swift
Only reason it seems to be added though was to provide a son who would join the rebels, but it seems like the same outcome could have happened had he just been his actual son from his wife pissed for the same reasons of nepotism.
cedar surge
Elites are the right size to be playable from what I Remeber
Well good was supporting cutters illegitimate son so that would have added more fuel to the fire I guess
marble aurora
Elites have been playable before, but unless they plan to somehow explain the Arbiter being there, and also now having a Grappler on his armor, it seems highly unlikely. Plus story factors.
humble yacht
Elites are bigger than Spartans
cedar surge
I meant
humble yacht
They were hunched to make them playable
cedar surge
In the infinire gameplay
gilded mason
Elites can be made the same size in MP if 343 wished it so.
cedar surge
What ticked cutters son really off was that hood was trying to help him
humble yacht
Everytime people talk about playable elites, it makes me want it not to happen just so I can hear the cries
grave swift
MP is the space where canon shouldnt matter
gilded mason
Kinda rude tbh
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
west silo
You truly are evil
cedar surge
Their pfp is buck
humble yacht
Elites were rude for killing humans
cedar surge
What do you expect
humble yacht
Sorry not sorry
gilded mason
Don't worry, Chim. Might be hard to believe but Elites aren't real. ;)
grave swift
Confirming no Elites is probably the last thing 343 wants to do right now tbh
gilded mason
lol
cedar surge
The real reason infinite was delayed was to add playable elites
gilded mason
based
west silo
The real reason was to add a Craig mission
cedar surge
The real reason was to switch brute actors for the ones in 2
humble yacht
I hope infinite’s story appeals to me
grave swift
It should for me. Zeta Halo, mysterious Halo even among the Halos, that should get me hyped. But I wish we even had a basic idea of the plot lol
cedar surge
"Chief beats up gravemind who infected cortana using the logic plague and chiefs heals her by using nueral physics and cortana is now the good guy again and everyone warthog runs on the broken corpse of the unsc infinity"
humble yacht
I care less about the locale and more about consistency
And by that I mean consistency with what came before
grave swift
Locale is just one aspect, of course, but for me that should get me curious. Yet I'm with you that I want to see it actually continue what came before. "spiritual reboot" set off red flags
humble yacht
As much as I don’t like H5, it happened and needs to be acknowledged
If they pull a Ep IX, I’m out
west silo
So will infinite campaign be complete on launch?
humble yacht
Hopefully
cedar surge
Didn't 343 say that the characters weren't going to acknowledge what happened in 5 cause of a soft reboot?
Well
west silo
Or are we gonna have to wait 10 years for the full story
craggy sierra
Unlike Halo 2’s campaign hopefully
cedar surge
What's wrong with cliffhangers
grave swift
Kinda gotta earn your cliffhanger
craggy sierra
Oh nothing but Halo 2’s campaign was very unfinished
humble yacht
Didn't 343 say that the characters weren't going to acknowledge what happened in 5 cause of a soft reboot?
Where’d you hear that?
gilded mason
No?
grave swift
"See you on Sanghelios." 
cedar surge
I Remeber seeing that on Reddit but seeing as how the subreddit can get I am now starting to very doubt that
west silo
They just said it would be a masterchief story
craggy sierra
That’d be some balls to make an extended universe book talking about the events of Halo 5 as leadup to your game to then ignore Halo 5.
west silo
And that some characters might not return
grave swift
"A Master Chief Story" chalk that up to something else I don't care for
cedar surge
Well
humble yacht
I’m mentally prepared to be let down tho
grave swift
For clarity, I don't mean I don't like stories with Chief, but I don't like how 343 need to plaster that little subtitle on stuff with him in it.
cedar surge
There is always expansions
humble yacht
343 does it to attract the MC fanboys
grave swift
Honestly, if they killed Locke...I might prematurely quit myself.
west silo
For reasons
cedar surge
We don't like this character so kill them or drastically reduce their story
humble yacht
When was the first “master Chief story”?
west silo
CE
grave swift
Silent Storm
west silo
Halo 4
cedar surge
Sor is the latest one
grave swift
Silent Storm, Collateral Damage, Obilivion, and I think Shadows of Reach is considered one.
humble yacht
It is
cedar surge
It is
grave swift
Wonder if they'll retroactivelt add it to Fall of Reach, The Flood, and First Strike
humble yacht
Nah
grave swift
Probably not, especially after the Definitive Edition disaster
craggy sierra
A. Nylund
B. He never write The Flood.
humble yacht
Some marine vet wrote flood
grave swift
On a related note, I don't actually mind The Flood.
west silo
Me neither
craggy sierra
I don’t mind it when it has nothing to do with chief
west silo
The chief parts are forgettable
cedar surge
Every part not including chief was good right
craggy sierra
Kinda?
west silo
And sound like a fanfic character
cedar surge
Since the chief parts was the author just playing CE?
grave swift
SOMEONE robbed us of that Chief shower scene though in newer editions and that is an outrage.
craggy sierra
I mean everything involving the grunt and elite characters goes nowhere
cedar surge
They could have become their own merry band of characters in the EU
craggy sierra
Is it expected for 1/3 of your book’s content to go nowhere and have zero bearing on the story?
west silo
Except for the elevator encounter
cedar surge
Grunt,elite,comedian jackals
west silo
It's not destination
cedar surge
Snarky brute
cedar surge
The great journey
grave swift
Press F to pay respects to Marvin Mobuto.
west silo
Isn't all the covenant war books that come out nowadays technically pointless?
Since we know how there going to end
In the grand scheme of things there basically about character development and maybe showing insight into how the covenant and unsc works
stiff creek
A book based in the Covenant War could reveal a bunch of things not seen in thw games.
Like the fact that they held a few pieces of that Forerunner crystal thing, but we don't know what happened to it.
I'd like to know more about CSO class carriers.
west silo
They had forerunner crystals?
Your not mistaking luminaries
Or the rocks they take from glassed planets
west silo
The prophets had more of those
terse lava
Apparently Truth had them with him at the ark
versed path
Xd
craggy sierra
Like the fact that they held a few pieces of that Forerunner crystal thing, but we don't know what happened to it.
@stiff creek sooo...what would be the story here?
craggy sierra
Books need stories in them. Not just a collection of bullet points of things happening, or have happened in the universe. There needs to be a story worth telling surrounding the fact that the covenant has those.
west silo
The story between the two was nice
craggy sierra
I mean it’s kinda already been revealed that they have them. I don’t know why re-revealing it would do.
terse lava
Truth wasn't a treasure hunter?
terse lava
Heh
stiff creek
terse lava
Yes
He comments when he left his family he never saw them again, "alive and free"
Thus at some point he returned to his world which was likely under flood attack, and had to kill his infected loved ones
stiff creek
And age so slow.
terse lava
20?
west silo
Well he was he and his sister was barely 12 by cryptum
And silentium took place ten years later
humble yacht
What if the innies made their own super soldiers and named them Athenians
west silo
Who?
humble yacht
Smh I guess you’re not a history buff
west silo
Athena
west silo
Am only familiar with greek mythology thanks to movies and God of war
We never studied it in school
stiff creek
Assassin's Creed Odyssey'll clear it up for ya.
humble yacht
Omg no
stiff creek
Kek
west silo
I did not play odyssey
GOW taught me all I need to know
Like all the Greek gods except Hades ironically are jerks
humble yacht
Athenians were famous for being philosophers but they were impressive warriors in their own right
ESP in naval combat
west silo
So Spartans in a way
stiff creek
Not totally, but in a way.
They had a godly navy, and pretty darn good infantry, while the Spartans had godly infantry, but not the biggest navy.
Lysander was an amazingly efficient captain though.
humble yacht
Athenians were more well rounded as civilization
stiff creek
Ahem democracy.
vague scroll
Athenians were generally a better military than the Spartans tbh actually nevermind, had to recheck that - Spartans were better by far
Athens and it's nation state alliance was easily the cornerstone of Greeco civilization up until the Macedonians under Alexander the Great
versed helm
How hard would it be for a spartan to retire and transition into civilian life
stiff creek
Halo Spartan, or real Spartan?
versed helm
Halo
stiff creek
I don't know.
humble yacht
Depends on how they leave
Randal had it hard
But seems like Maria didn’t have as tough a time
stiff creek
We don't have much on exactly what she did afterwards, do we though?
humble yacht
No news is good news
stiff creek
I guess so.
cedar surge
So are they allowed to say they were former Spartans?
humble yacht
Who?
cedar surge
Randal and Maria
stable flower
Did anyone know that Johnson was a Spartan-I?
marble aurora
I have referenced it sometimes
stable flower
I'm talking about in-universe
marble aurora
Ohhh
That’s...actually a good question
At least some people in the SPARTAN-II program know
Halsey almost certainly knows
Captain Keyes might know, though I’m not sure about that
versed helm
isnt the correct term an ORION unit?
steady walrus
@stable flower Staff Sgt Byrne trained with him for the program, but ORION was highly classified. So key personnel in ONI Section 3/Beta 5, and anyone with clearance (Cole, Stanforth, Halsey aboard the Everest during Contact Harvest, at least)
@versed helm ORION operators, according to halopedia
marble aurora
It was later renamed Spartan-I, but only after the Spartan-II program was created I believe
vague scroll
It was never officially called SPARTAN-I, it was just a term added to the lexicon after Halsey decided to make the SPARTAN-II program a spiritual offshoot by incurring the designation, ORION-II
noble fjord
How many CSO's were left after the Human Covenant war?
like what happened to all of them? In Halo 3 I can't recall seeing a single one
unique rune
Because they didn’t exist IRL when Halo 3 released
gilded mason
We have no idea how many are still around
noble fjord
Do we even have any idea how many were made?
gilded mason
Nope
noble fjord
lovely...
I'm trying to wrap my head around how quickly the UNSC was able to rebuild such a powerful fleet after the Human Cov war...
By the time of Halo 3 it's clear the UNSC's home defense fleet and most of its major fleets were all but completely obliterated.
So how did they manage to not only rebuild their fleets but also build the Infinity in just... 4 years
Idk 4 years doesn't seem like a reasonable amount of time for all that
tropic forge
Infinity started construction in 2544.
They did a naval review after the HCW, and only had a few hundred ships left.
Since then they've built quite a few frigates (hundreds)
noble fjord
Still feels like they built up their forces way too quickly
whilst also improving their tech in the process
idk am I the only one who really doesn't think 4 years is a lot of time?
tropic forge
It was a hell of a whiplash going into Halo 4, but they've more or less smoothed it out now.
versed helm
well, UNSC did start working with forerunner tech, so i guess its pretty believeable that they built up so quick
viral fable
Is the Jenkins in halo CE the same Jenkins from Contact Harvest?
cedar surge
Most likely yea
grand iris
What year do you guys think the Headhunters short happens? Roland and Jonah are from Beta company
marble aurora
Is Jenkins first name Leeroy?
humble yacht
No, it’s Wallace
marble aurora
Missed opportunities.....
humble yacht
I mean
stiff creek
I think the Contact Harvest Wallace is the same Wallace as CE.
humble yacht
It’s only a missed opportunity if time travel exists
stiff creek
Yeah, same Wallace.
humble yacht
Jenkins predates the Leeroy Jenkins meme by 4 years
humble yacht
no
versed helm
ok
Also, it would be wrong of me ask someone to discuss SoR here, given that it could spoil it for some people, right?
versed helm
Aight
One thing is bothering me. In H4 Spartan Ops, we see that forerunner teleporter/grav tether "talking" with Infinity's engine. How come Cortana didnt utilize the same mechanisms?
humble yacht
what do you mean?
the forerunner device was only able to affect the engines after being brought on board the ship
humble yacht
that was just a projection
versed helm
But she does mess with the ship's systems
like, we see lights flickering in that cutscene and everything
humble yacht
that was probably just a side affect of her brute-force communication
remember the ship still had roland and other protection measures on the important stuff
versed helm
Then why didnt they work when the grav tether was affecting the engine?
dusty prawn
@versed helm The one on requiem? Because the slipspace thing grav tether tied to the Forerunner engines isn't some surge running through the systems or some subroutine, it's an external force. Like a grappling hook, but not.
humble yacht
cortana can't use a hologram as a slipspace tether
dusty prawn
A surge would run through the systems and be brought back in check by Roland or their own software/firmware or any resets necessary. An AI attack would get into the system through some sort of port, relay access, antenna or receiver, or in one forerunner AI case a mirror or something. The tether was above the modern UNSC's AI's ideas of understanding because it was a Forerunner to Forerunner tech connection and such. It's like asking someone to think themselves out of being chained up. You have to unlock the chains physically or break them.
west silo
Could the Guardian do it?
dusty prawn
Maybe, but then it's weird it hasn't tried yet, and has actually just disabled every ship, killing most crews
west silo
Sometimes there lazy
The Guardian on sanghelios in badblood was basically invincible
But got bored shooting ships and just emp'd everything
flat bone
guardians are living things?
flat bone
oh ok
west silo
But they do have ais
versed helm
Ye
boreal breach
Just imagine if the Guardians rebel against Cortana and help us.
Probably never gonna happen but still something interesting to think about.
versed helm
Something similar to what Exuberant Witness did, right?
cedar surge
So what's that blur spine thing on the back Lasky and del Rio uniform?
flat bone
i think something similar to what cheif took from keyes
west silo
Am pretty that was in his head
flat bone
similar
west silo
The thing on there uniforms look more like the health monitors in deadspace
cedar surge
Why would they devolve from a small chip to a large spine
astral coral
Hello. Did The human-cov war start before or after halo 1?
flat bone
before
cedar surge
Much much before
west silo
Long before
cedar surge
By the time of halo 1 the war was 27 years old
astral coral
Where would be the best place for me to Learn about it?
flat bone
google, or here
west silo
Halopedia
flat bone
your choice
west silo
Or YouTube
cedar surge
I Recomend halo canons video on the war
Its only 15 minutes and his videos are pretty good
astral coral
Ok fair enough. One more thing. John was frozen in halo ce because he was the last spartan 2 right? But emile was a spartan 2?
flat bone
not last
flat bone
blue team was all 2's
west silo
No spartans always go in cryo on long journey
astral coral
Ohhhhh ok
cedar surge
Actually isn't there 15 alive Spartan 2s now
west silo
Yep
astral coral
Appreciate the insight! 🙂
flat bone
spartan 2's are stronger that 3's correct?
west silo
Yes
cedar surge
3s have better training tho
flat bone
3's stronger than 4's ?
flat bone
ok
west silo
Remember apparently gen 2 armor can bring a S4 on par with a 2
But not make a S2 in gen2 more superior for reasons
craggy sierra
I mean the exo suit does all of the heavy lifting to the point where the muscles inside the suit don’t carry much of the burden at all.
west silo
But you think it would give the 2s a more significant boost
Since it said that 4s with out the armor are outclassed by the 2s without it as well
versed helm
Dont S-IIs have better augs than S-IVs?
gilded mason
Yes
humble yacht
the augs had a more drastic effect on the subjects for the IIs
pale zephyr
Spartan IV's have less physical and biological augmentations compared to II's.
But the Gen 2 armour does more to enhance their abilities. Without their suits, IV's are weaker than II's in general. But fully armoured, they're pretty much the same.
versed helm
So, if you give a II and a IV the same armour, the II would win
I guess that did kinda happenin H5 during Chief vs Locke
west silo
That fight was sloppy
humble yacht
The II would probably win, but not instantly
ocean ibex
2’s generally have more combat experience due to most of them being in their late 40’s/early 50’s
marble aurora
Except for the ones who were in Cryo for a super long time
ocean ibex
I said most
vague scroll
according to the Spartan Field Manual - GEN2 armor is the great equalizer, all Spartans are combat equivalent when using the same armor generation regardless of augmentations
experience may make a difference but a IV can best a II in the right circumstances, particularly if that experience level is managed - given that people so easily forget that S-IVs are not newbies in their own right but war veterans who in some cases could be older than the SPARTAN-IIs or equal age and having been pulled from the ranks of Army Rangers, ODSTs, ONI special mission units and elsewhere
craggy sierra
I’m pretty sure every book with the chief has him acknowledging some non-spartan being more proficient in than him in something he could never imagine being.
west silo
Really?
vague scroll
he's a modest guy
west silo
Non Spartan?
I know he says other Spartans are better than him but non Spartans?
That's a first
gilded mason
Yeah, he's said it sometimes