#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 427

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 4:39 AM

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So yeah Halo has weird stuff in it

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Halo MMO would have given us physic powers too

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Though the Flood already had it

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The MMO just would have given humans that via technological aid

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 4:41 AM

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And people said 343 humans were too advanced

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Hmm

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Well who knows we may still get them

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down the line

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Gonna get sleep

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Chat tomorrow

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night

stable flower Oct 22, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Woulda been cool if hostile wildlife on the Ark appeared as neutral units in HW2

versed helm Oct 22, 2020, 5:03 AM

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you mean like they do in AoE and AoM?

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they legit aapear like grey dots on the mini maps

stable flower Oct 22, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Like in the first HW, where Rebels, Flood and Sentinels had their own bases and guarded Forerunner buildings and so on

versed helm Oct 22, 2020, 6:56 AM

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ohh

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i like how you called the rebels and sentinels "hostile wildlife"

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and here we observe a wild sentinel in its natural habitat, guarding its factory from potential invaders

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and it needn't wait long, for the factory lies perhaps a bit too close to a rebel migratory path

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im betting everyone who reads this would imagine this in sir david attenborough's voice

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Yo guys remember mike hunt, Dixie normus, Jenny talia, Ben Dover, e. Jack ulate, moe Lester?

gilded mason Oct 22, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Yes, Bart. We do.

versed helm Oct 22, 2020, 7:23 AM

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69 420

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the price of the latest tesla

stable flower Oct 22, 2020, 8:06 AM

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i like how you called the rebels and sentinels "hostile wildlife"
@versed helm No I was calling them neutral units

versed helm Oct 22, 2020, 8:12 AM

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ah my bad

versed helm Oct 22, 2020, 11:23 AM

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Yo are the precursors ever shown in halo

cedar surge Oct 22, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Yes

quaint reef Oct 22, 2020, 12:28 PM

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I mean, one of them. The Primordial, in concept art and in the Forerunner trilogy of books

weak kraken Oct 22, 2020, 12:44 PM

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I don't read much, but I just recently binged all of the Dark Horse comics and the New Blood novel, then the first quarter of Bad Blood

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I'm through the first chapter now in Shadows of Reach

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I got to feeling bored and burned out with Halo's expanded universe, but man this book already has me grinning and tensing up as I read it

cedar surge Oct 22, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Maybe you feel burned out cause you read so much so fast

round comet Oct 22, 2020, 3:11 PM

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i read

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like

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a lot

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read SoR in a night and that book is my favourite blue team story now

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tied with first strike

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(onyx is more of a kurt story)

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Yo are the precursors ever shown in halo
@versed helm Precursors are Flood so yes since day 1

ocean ibex Oct 22, 2020, 4:05 PM

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If you’re talking about original precursors, then no, we would get destroyed if we ever fought one

flat bone Oct 22, 2020, 4:53 PM

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or would we

fair hazel Oct 22, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Remember to discuss the book in #485883236430512168

flat bone Oct 22, 2020, 4:53 PM

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dont they like to pretend

fair hazel Oct 22, 2020, 4:53 PM

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And yes I read that in David's Attenborgough's voice

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Well if the Precursors aren't nerfed to utter hell if we fight them in games or in modern setting then yes they would utterly stomp everyone

flat bone Oct 22, 2020, 5:01 PM

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yeah i know that

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but dont you think they would let us kill them

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like they let the forerunners

versed helm Oct 22, 2020, 5:02 PM

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What happened to the precursors?

flat bone Oct 22, 2020, 5:02 PM

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forunners killed them

versed helm Oct 22, 2020, 5:02 PM

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How come?

flat bone Oct 22, 2020, 5:02 PM

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but they let themselves be killed

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i think

versed helm Oct 22, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Well ik why they killed the flood but the other precursors

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if there were any others

flat bone Oct 22, 2020, 5:03 PM

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they did it because they were mad about not receiving the mantle

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so they killed the precursors and stole it

versed helm Oct 22, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Ah ok

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Sfe

flat bone Oct 22, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Well ik why they killed the flood but the other precursors
they didn't kill the flood

versed helm Oct 22, 2020, 5:10 PM

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The forerunners did didn't they?

humble yacht Oct 22, 2020, 5:11 PM

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eventually, yea

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with the halos

versed helm Oct 22, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Yeah that's what I meant

flat bone Oct 22, 2020, 5:11 PM

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not completely

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99%

ocean ibex Oct 22, 2020, 5:12 PM

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They preserved some infection forms to study them

flat bone Oct 22, 2020, 5:13 PM

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yeah

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but you never know, maybe they have infected other galaxies

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it is a possibility

ocean ibex Oct 22, 2020, 5:14 PM

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I’m guessing they’ve probably reached andromeda by now

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 5:18 PM

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I imagine they've gone way beyond that if they are indeed intergalactic

ocean ibex Oct 22, 2020, 5:19 PM

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The flood are an extra galactic species

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There’s a difference

humble yacht Oct 22, 2020, 5:20 PM

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well technically

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the flood were first born in Milky Way

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but they left the galaxy and came back like 1000 years later

elder anchor Oct 22, 2020, 5:21 PM

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'Left' is a soft word

humble yacht Oct 22, 2020, 5:22 PM

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fled, receded, call it what you want

flat bone Oct 22, 2020, 5:25 PM

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but they left the galaxy and came back like 1000 years later
I thought it wasn't confirmed

humble yacht Oct 22, 2020, 5:26 PM

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what wasn't confirmed?

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 5:40 PM

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They did leave the galaxy and returned later

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The primordial just gave us the reason why

eager pine Oct 22, 2020, 6:01 PM

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How about the Thanolekgolo

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 6:06 PM

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There dead

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That was just an experiment by the forerunners that they just threw away on the ring

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Actually the earliest form of the Flood may have been born outside the MWG when the Precursors went into suspended animation or transmuted themselves into dust that would regenerate into their past forms at a later time. The dust became defective, creating sickness, disease and biological mutations in other organisms that came into contact with it. With this new form — the earliest stage of the Flood — the Precursors vowed that none of their creations would rise against them again.

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Then they put thier plan in motion

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 6:37 PM

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So just the dust form

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Yah

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It sent sickness and disease to anything it touched

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Then it was put on ships

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then it was put into Pheru

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then the Flood as we know it now came to be

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But we've never seen what that initial version of Flood is like from when the dust spread disease and sickness to all life it touched when Precursors initially regenerated themselves

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 6:42 PM

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So what ship was the dust on?

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Did another species find the precursors remains and left them on that ship

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 6:43 PM

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This was prior to that

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This happened prior to the Precursors putting their dust on ships and sending them to MWG

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and before they put Primordial in stasis and sent it to MWG too

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This would have happened in Path Kethona

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Or elsewhere

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 6:45 PM

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So the flood existed before the forerunners genocide campaign?

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Yah or a precursor to the version we know now

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The Flood is what we call the result of the dust being used on Pheru

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But what the dust did to lifeforms prior to that when Precursors first regenerated would be essentially the same thing

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The Flood is a name or moniker we gave to Precursors regenerated forms and their corruption of other life

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 6:49 PM

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But wasn't the flood created because of the precursors failed attempt to regenerate after the precursor genocide?

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Actually the primordial gave them the name the flood

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Or he just rolled with it

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Humans named it the Flood

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Its been called that since

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 6:57 PM

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But the primordial did call it the flood

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Because first the humans called it the shaping sickness

eager pine Oct 22, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Sbaolekgolo are used in harvesters and scarabs as well correct?

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Aren't those just normal lekgolo

unique rune Oct 22, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Sbaolekgolo refers to a particular colony type of lekgolo

they’re used in Harvesters

Scarabs are a mgalekgolo formation like Hunters

eager pine Oct 22, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Do they ever talk about Dipholekgolo or Rhulolekgolo?

unique rune Oct 22, 2020, 7:53 PM

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I don’t recall seeing any sources that go in-depth on them

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Ur-Didact said in Cryptum humans called it the Flood as well. I imagine humans either changed the name from Shaping Sickness to the Flood once the parasite really got going and infecting and spreading as we know it can unlike the initial form where it wasn't spreading as fast or in the way we are used to seeing as initially it spread to humans via infecting via consumption of infected agents(Pheru), altering behavior, cannabilizing fellow humans after force-feeding them infected food so as to grew horribly large. Or the Primordial called it the Flood when they asked about the Shaping Sickness and they used that since then. Afterall the Flood was far more accurate a descriptor than Shaping Sickness after a certain point in the alliance-Flood conflict.

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The Flood's initial spread comes across to me as more cult-like in nature, more subtle.

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Infected people behaving oddly, kidnapping uninfected en masse, imprisoning them, force-feeding them infected stuff, then eating them.

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Rinse repeat

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Slowly building up biomass across worlds

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then forming the Flood forms we know

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Or infected people being directed to take over starships

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to spread infection

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Honestly you could make a AH CSI series about that

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Or a book about it

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 8:32 PM

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That's the human flood cult right?

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The one that were fattening up people and feeding them to others to infect them

flat bone Oct 22, 2020, 8:34 PM

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was the primordial the only precursor that did not thanos themself?

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 8:35 PM

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No

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Maybe

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 8:35 PM

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Yes Spartan

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 8:35 PM

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The ones who put themselves in stasis are currently unknown

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 8:35 PM

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I imagine the AHs had cults like that

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 8:36 PM

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But have gone into some unreality

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 8:36 PM

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or crime groups

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dedicated to getting Flood spread as much as possible

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Its sounds like a gene stealer cult

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Well they basically just abducted and eat people

flat bone Oct 22, 2020, 8:36 PM

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what if after the flood consumes all the precursors put in stasis kill the flood and re-seed the galaxy/universe?

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Ehh space marine detectives novel when

jolly furnace Oct 22, 2020, 8:37 PM

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after force feeding infected stuff

flat bone Oct 22, 2020, 8:37 PM

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you think my theory is possible?

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Ehh maybe

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I don't think the flood would have found them though

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They left the galaxy completely

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Yeah

flat bone Oct 22, 2020, 8:39 PM

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k

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if the primordials conscious transfered to the graveminds maybe the other precursors could use that somehow

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to make the flood kill itself

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Am pretty sure the other precursors just don't care

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And the ones that are apart of the flood are enjoy torturing everything

stable flower Oct 22, 2020, 9:18 PM

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So the Forerunners caused all the trouble in the galaxy?

humble yacht Oct 22, 2020, 9:18 PM

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kind of

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Technically the precursors?

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In a way

humble yacht Oct 22, 2020, 9:23 PM

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nah

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 9:23 PM

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There system of the mantle is good on paper but just comes off as dictatorship in practice

humble yacht Oct 22, 2020, 9:23 PM

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the forerunner's preemptive strike was what made the precursors so pissed that they desired revenge

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 9:24 PM

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They were probably also going to murder the forerunners

humble yacht Oct 22, 2020, 9:24 PM

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then in response to the flood, the forerunners made the Halos which would become the objects of the Covenant's desires

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the forerunners only thought they would

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 9:24 PM

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The forerunners just attacked first

humble yacht Oct 22, 2020, 9:24 PM

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the forerunners were scared and in their fear, they struck first

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for all we know, they might have been fine

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 9:25 PM

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And some evidence says they were right others said no

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Besides weren't there other candidates for the mantle?

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What could have happened to them?

humble yacht Oct 22, 2020, 9:27 PM

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the point is, when you trace back the original actions that led to all the problems in the galaxy

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it';s not the precursors because they didn't act first

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it was the forerunners

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what coulda/woulda/shoulda happened is irrelevant

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Yeah

hasty patrol Oct 22, 2020, 9:53 PM

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has anything come up on offensive bias any news on him because i would love to see him

ocean ibex Oct 22, 2020, 9:58 PM

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Nope, it was probably decommissioned after the war

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 11:01 PM

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One of the biggest complaints about 5 is that it required you to read external material to under what's going on
Is that really true?

unique rune Oct 22, 2020, 11:05 PM

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Not really

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If anything
following ancillary media made the final campaign even more disappointing for me

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Yeah honestly just playing Spartan ops and going to 5 is ok

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HTT set my expectations really high and it was shattered

stable flower Oct 22, 2020, 11:20 PM

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For casual players, yes.

unique rune Oct 22, 2020, 11:24 PM

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I mean
Most of the events in the campaign really don't have anything to do with what's in novels and other extended universe material

Arguably yes you do have characters that may need a bit of introduction but it's really not any worse than
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skipping how Chief and Johnson made it back to Earth after CE

What I just don't understand is this fixation on blaming faults with Halo 4 or 5's campaigns on external media

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Yeah the books don't really give anything substantial about the characters to put in the game

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Its like saying you have to read new blood to understand 5

unique rune Oct 22, 2020, 11:30 PM

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Yeah

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It certainly helps flesh out why Buck is there
But the context should be enough for people to connect info together and go "okay, Buck became one of those new generation Spartans somewhere between ODST and 5"

west silo Oct 22, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Or asking who locke?

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When it's pretty spelt out he's an oni agent character

random niche Oct 23, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Buck looks like a salt water bass.

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 12:19 AM

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?

waxen urchin Oct 23, 2020, 12:50 AM

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rookie died 😦

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Yeah

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Almost every main character in a halo game except chief died

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And sadly locke looks like he's next

stable flower Oct 23, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Del Rio should die

stiff creek Oct 23, 2020, 1:15 AM

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Del Rio is political.

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 1:15 AM

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Ehh I wouldn't really say die

ocean ibex Oct 23, 2020, 1:16 AM

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The way rookie died was kind of bs

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 1:16 AM

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But he's probably either dead or on a created controlled planet

ocean ibex Oct 23, 2020, 1:16 AM

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343 is gonna treat red team like cannon fodder

stiff creek Oct 23, 2020, 1:17 AM

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Hope not.
Not like Black Team.

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Alice is too cool.

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 1:19 AM

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Why?

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Black team was done dirty

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But why would red team?

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There probably not even gonna be included in infinite until maybe a long way down the line

unique rune Oct 23, 2020, 1:28 AM

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The way rookie died was kind of bs
I mean
he was such complete nothing as a character
keeping him alive wouldn't have done much

so
instead
Forbeck actually did something useful with him as a tool to take the rest of Alpha-Nine places

stiff creek Oct 23, 2020, 1:31 AM

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And now there's ~~Gretchen~~ a new person.

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I'd like to see how she do.

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 1:41 AM

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Not new

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She made a small appearance in the comic hell jumper

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I think rookie was her replacement

barren pike Oct 23, 2020, 2:43 AM

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idk why y'all think 343 is gonna do red team dirty since they made hw2 and that game gave them a ton more character than the first one and made me fall in love with red team

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Mostly because people can't give 343 a break

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But also because black team had some nice character only to get unceremoniously killed off screen

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And there inclusion to the plot added nothing

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Nothing they could have been anyone else

unique rune Oct 23, 2020, 2:48 AM

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I like to think 343’s writing teams and whoever else is responsible for those decisions have learned from that whole thing.

Hopefully.

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 2:49 AM

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Well it was brian Reed

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And he got fired or quite

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Its honestly shocking he went from 4 to escalations to 5

stable flower Oct 23, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Gretchen is cool

unique rune Oct 23, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Reed wrote that part, yeah, but he only used Black Team allegedly because they were presented as characters who could be killed off with... little consequence, according to commentary from Escalation LE.

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 3:02 AM

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So instead of using random Spartan 4 he decided to use characters that people wanted to see make a return for years?

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 3:03 AM

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I don’t believe for a moment Brian Reed is entirely responsible

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Jesus imagine if he got his hands on red team

unique rune Oct 23, 2020, 3:04 AM

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It’s less that he decided and more someone higher up at 343 must’ve said “well we don’t have plans to do anything with Black Team, so”.

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 3:04 AM

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That dude was a supporting writer on 4 and lead up the writing efforts on Spartan Ops. He was the one that wrote his own sequel setup that he then abandoned. I don’t buy that that was an intentional move on his part.

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Also that is valid in writing

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People are allowed to die

barren pike Oct 23, 2020, 3:05 AM

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I can't really imagine 343 would let anyone kill red team just because there's probably a chance for a sequel given what happened at the end of 2

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Yes people are allowed to die

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I really don't have a problem with it

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But how black team died was just meh

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And black teams comic ending itself was sequel bait

stable flower Oct 23, 2020, 3:15 AM

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It’s less that he decided and more someone higher up at 343 must’ve said “well we don’t have plans to do anything with Black Team, so”.
@unique rune Probably the same someone who decided to have MC only visit a new Halo ring in a book.

forest tree Oct 23, 2020, 3:18 AM

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What's the best way to catch up on lore without hunting down every book and graphic novel, etc.? I don't have most of the time that would require. I've played all mainline games except Halo Wars 2.

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Halopedia

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Or if that's too boring for ya just watch halo canon or hiddenxperia on YouTube

inland axle Oct 23, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Iceberg chart tipe of bs

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||The ancient humans AND the Forerunners were originally the same species||

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 3:24 AM

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If your talking about the terminals
Its only barely implied

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And the only thing we have to go for it is the librarian saying she feels a connection to them

inland axle Oct 23, 2020, 3:25 AM

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And Spark explicitaly says it to the player/John

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Spark was crazy remember

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And was having a mid life crisis

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Dang it bungie themselves were divided on the idea and couldn't agree on it so they just left it vague

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 3:43 AM

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IF you want to go with canon/set in stone, then no Tocino

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 4:33 AM

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@unique rune Probably the same someone who decided to have MC only visit a new Halo ring in a book.
@stable flower wait, what’s wrong with this!

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Nothing really

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Y’all do understand the point of books is that their stories don’t have to be a constant string of gun fights chained together one after the other right? If they had a story to tell with chief on a ring and never wanted to have the plot be entirely about him going through constant gun fights every 5 minutes then what’s the issue?

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Some people just don't understand not every game has to be on a ring

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Or that important events that happen in a book don't have to be implemented into a game

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 4:43 AM

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ThEy sHoUlD mAkE tHe bOoKs iNtO gAmEs

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 4:44 AM

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And because somethings writing a book is easier than making a game just to tell a small unimportant story

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Yeah, they’ll be great visual novels.

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 4:45 AM

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A halo visual novel does sound interesting

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Halo: Intimate

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 4:45 AM

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But do you mean as in comics or the other more anime type?

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 4:47 AM

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I meant whatever Phoenix Wright is

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 4:47 AM

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ThEy sHoUlD mAkE tHe bOoKs iNtO gAmEs
@craggy sierra
"Looks at reach"
And sometimes that just makes things worse

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Man I loved that game

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Like fr though I’m like halfway into SoR and there’s zero content worth even making a single in-game engagement over, let alone a full level, let alone a full game. What mentions of combat there have been would be unfit for adapting to Halo’s gameplay formula. Books aren’t written to be games.

gilded mason Oct 23, 2020, 4:48 AM

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😉

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Yeah it why most halo book adaptions have been pretty contradictory

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Like almost every reach adaptation

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Half of the flood is just the author trying to think of synonyms for “chief shot the grunt in the face”

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So it’s a 2-way street. Games are hard to turn into books.

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 4:52 AM

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It's universally agreed that the chief parts are the worst parts of the flood

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That's why the books usually introduce a filler story

gilded mason Oct 23, 2020, 4:53 AM

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You mean B-plot?

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Pretty much

stable flower Oct 23, 2020, 4:53 AM

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What's wrong is we missed a chance to visit a titular area in the game.

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Most of the stuff in the flood wasn't even mentioned or hinted in the game

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Dude its just a ring

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It had no importance to the plot what so ever

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And going on it would just be barely worth a cheap DLC

stable flower Oct 23, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Not everybody here is a lore nut, you know

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Smh I can’f believe they’re putting the return to reach in a book.

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Well it is a special place

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And at least there not bringing back 6

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So we got that

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 4:56 AM

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I was mostly riffing on what ATP said

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Oh

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 4:57 AM

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But using reach instead of a ring

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Well reach does have what halsey is looking for

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And apparently forerunner stuff would instantly alert cortana

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Also real speak, what even was that b plot in the flood? They get half the book dedicated to them and chief just chucks a grenade in an elevator and kills them without even knowing they existed.

gilded mason Oct 23, 2020, 5:01 AM

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:'(

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Well it was more a c plot

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 5:01 AM

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C- at best

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 5:01 AM

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The whole ship thing was the b plot

gilded mason Oct 23, 2020, 5:02 AM

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More like F..to pay respects eyy

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 5:03 AM

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I would like a halo 2 novelization just to see some of the extra plots they'd add

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 5:03 AM

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It has been a hot second since I read the flood. It was like Grade 8 in 2009 when I did and the ending to that sub plot is the main thing I’ve remembered

gilded mason Oct 23, 2020, 5:03 AM

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If there was, I imagine there'd be Rtas and Miranda PoV sections

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 5:04 AM

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The plot did show that they were just a bunch of nobody's in over there heads

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And they paid for it

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Maybe even a gravemind prospective

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 5:04 AM

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I doubt that

gilded mason Oct 23, 2020, 5:04 AM

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That might be a bit much

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 5:05 AM

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It would show how the flood boarded the IAC

gilded mason Oct 23, 2020, 5:05 AM

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It'd "humanize" him too much

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Gravemind is one of those things you’re better off leaving the headspace of as ambiguous as possible.

gilded mason Oct 23, 2020, 5:05 AM

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^

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Not that kinda prospective

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Eww

gilded mason Oct 23, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Eww
Huh?

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Probably more truth perspective to try to iron out and set him up for whatever the hell unhinged him in Halo 3.

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Basically him commanding the flood in taking over stuff

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Yeah truth in 3 just because a lunatic

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He always was but in 3 he didn't even try to hide it

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 5:07 AM

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I mean 2 made him out to be a sociopath, not a lunatic.

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Different things.

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 5:11 AM

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And in 2 he came off as this despicable manipulator

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Even plotting the murder of the other two prophets and getting away with it

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 5:16 AM

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...yep that sure fits the description of a sociopath.

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:41 AM

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not all sociopaths are murderous

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sociopathy just means you lack the ability to empathize with others

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and you conduct your actions without concern of how they'll affect those around you

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maliciousness is not necessarily tied to sociopathy

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Truth was 100% malicious in his intent, tho

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even in H2

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 6:28 AM

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John isn't a sociopath, even if we're talking about truth

gilded mason Oct 23, 2020, 6:31 AM

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🤨

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 7:53 AM

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But was truth a sociopath?

ripe igloo Oct 23, 2020, 7:55 AM

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yes

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 7:56 AM

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i think he was more a megalomaniac

ripe igloo Oct 23, 2020, 7:56 AM

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truth is like kim jong un

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just really deciptive

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 8:01 AM

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what's deceptive is that spelling

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uny

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 8:05 AM

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oh ｓｎａｐ．

grand iris Oct 23, 2020, 12:37 PM

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How many spartan 3's could there be on the infinity?

inner basin Oct 23, 2020, 12:41 PM

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I could see there being a handful at one time or another

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There likely isn’t always a contingent of Spartan-IIIs aboard the Infinity unlike how the ship always has a contingent of Spartan-IVs

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John isn't a sociopath, even if we're talking about truth
I mean that ONI interrogator did say that Spartan-IIs such as John did show sociopathic tendencies iirc, although that doesn’t necessarily mean he is sociopathic, just has some of the mental illness’ tendencies

grand iris Oct 23, 2020, 12:44 PM

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Think they are quietly enrolled and given false cover stories?

inner basin Oct 23, 2020, 12:46 PM

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No, not really. That’d just be unnecessary. They don’t need to be hidden, unless they’re Gammas, but ONI wouldn’t have them deployed on the Flagship of the UNSC

grand iris Oct 23, 2020, 12:54 PM

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Better as black ops then?

inner basin Oct 23, 2020, 1:31 PM

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We still have no idea what has happened with the roughly 300+ Gammas that presumably survived the war

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They’re free for an author to write about if they’d like to

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 1:33 PM

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So who else contributed to the survival of humanity other than Noble Team, John 117, and the Sangheili (even though the Sangheili were a late entry), Jacob and Miranda Keyes, Johnson, Halsey, Preston Cole, and etc?

grand iris Oct 23, 2020, 1:35 PM

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Headhunters

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Grey team

inner basin Oct 23, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Let’s just say all those who served the UNSC

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Save us some time

grand iris Oct 23, 2020, 1:36 PM

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probably even more since everyone and everything is vital to winning the war

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 1:39 PM

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So what would Tribute's population be before it was attacked?

inner basin Oct 23, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Have a read through this. There might be an answer for your question in there - https://www.halopedia.org/Tribute

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 1:42 PM

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It just says it had a large population without giving a proper number

inner basin Oct 23, 2020, 1:45 PM

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Well that’s likely because we don’t have a number then

craggy sierra Oct 23, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Think they are quietly enrolled and given false cover stories?
@grand iris ...why would they need false cover stories?

grand iris Oct 23, 2020, 1:47 PM

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Wouldn't want anyone knowing about them as they are top secret or as Beast says maybe just Gamma spartans

inner basin Oct 23, 2020, 1:48 PM

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They would just be kept a secret. They wouldn’t provide a false cover story for them, the Gammas that is

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 1:53 PM

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So what would Mars's population be since it was one of the first human colonies?

cedar surge Oct 23, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Probably a billion or two

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Its like right under earth in importance

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And most of the population survived the war

ocean ibex Oct 23, 2020, 2:59 PM

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@inner basin bruh, I found your noble 6 is alive forum on the waypoint lmao

inner basin Oct 23, 2020, 2:59 PM

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That was when I was non the wiser 😂

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Don’t remind me of that time

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I have accepted that he is dead and moved on

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 3:59 PM

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I have a question about Halo lore that's been bugging me...

round comet Oct 23, 2020, 4:01 PM

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go ahead

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 4:03 PM

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In Halo 3, when the replacement Halo fired... it was a "tatical burst" to eradicate the local infestation of the flood (according to Guilty Spark)

Now Cheif wasn't killed by this tatical burst but the flood were. However we know the Halo rings are designed to kill the Flood's food (i.e. all sentient life).

This means that the Halo rings must be able to switch between "Kill the Flood" and "KIll the Flood's food" modes. And the tactical pulse at the end of Halo 3 was the former.

Have I understood that correctly? And if so, why not just leave it on "Kill the Flood" mode all the time?

unique rune Oct 23, 2020, 4:07 PM

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The pulse still kills everything, the Dawn had just made it into slipspace before the ring fired and self-destructed.

stiff creek Oct 23, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Mmhm.

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The ring was expected to destroy itself.

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 4:07 PM

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But the Cheif was left behind.

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So he must have been in range right?

stiff creek Oct 23, 2020, 4:08 PM

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He was probably briefly put in slipspace.

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Before the Dawn went ccrclck

unique rune Oct 23, 2020, 4:08 PM

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The aft end of the Dawn's exit point from slipspace was somewhere beyond the range of the ring.

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After all, the front end still made it back to Earth.

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Ah ok. So it split apart in slipspace as a result of being hit by the shockwave of the explosion?

unique rune Oct 23, 2020, 4:10 PM

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From what I understand, the Dawn was caught in the middle of the portal as it closed...?
I think?
I could be wrong.

stiff creek Oct 23, 2020, 4:10 PM

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That's what it seems like happened.

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 4:11 PM

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I mean he must have been in slipspace for at least a breif time, since Halo 4 openned inside the galaxy and not back at the Ark. So I guess that makes sense now that I think about it.

stiff creek Oct 23, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Yes.

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Except the Dawn was still beyond the rim of the Milky Way.

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Then it got teleported by an "unknown force".

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Oh was it not inside the milky way at the start of Halo 4?

stiff creek Oct 23, 2020, 4:12 PM

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To Requiem

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Same deal with the SoF.

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It was teleported a little bit before the game starts.

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But I think the Dawn may have been floating around for a while, as opposed to an hour.

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Yeah ok. That makes sense. Ok cool. Thanks 🙂 That's always bugged me but makes sense now.

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Does that mean the Ark is derelict in space?

stiff creek Oct 23, 2020, 4:15 PM

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It is kinda just in the middle of nowhere a little bit outside the galaxy.

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Far enough to where things wouldn't die from the array firing.

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 4:19 PM

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So the Ark is outside of range of the Halo rings... I guess that makes sense.... but then that begs the question of why the forerunners didnt at least retreat some of their kind to the Ark before they fired the rings... Maybe to much of a risk that the flood will be piggy backed along with them? I mean how embarrassing would it be if you ran away to the Ark, set the rings off and then a couple of spores were hidding in a crate in the cargo hold of the ship you used to get there :p

stiff creek Oct 23, 2020, 4:20 PM

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I think there were a few Forerunners on the Ark.

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Like the Catalogue guys.

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There aren't any living ones there anymore, but there could be a few in stasis or something.

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I'm not too knowledged on that though.

unique rune Oct 23, 2020, 4:24 PM

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If I call correctly, the Forerunners didn't move any significant numbers of their population to the Lesser Ark because they wanted to essentially fade away into obscurity. Now, granted, that's kinda hard when their tech is kinda... everywhere, but the idea was to minimize the influence they had on the galaxy as the reseeding of species and their development took place.

stiff creek Oct 23, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Thamk

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Yes, the Forerunners presumably reseeded themselves (as an species), but they did not want to do so in this galaxy, instead, very, very far away

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:28 PM

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From what I understand, the Dawn was caught in the middle of the portal as it closed...?
I think?
I could be wrong.
This is actually an inconsistency when you think of it critically

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for the Dawn to be split the way it was suggests that the front have made into into the portal but the back half didn't

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however, if that were the case, 1 of 2 options would have happened:

chief would have been killed by the array
chief would have never drifted to Requiem

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the fact that he survived suggests that he made it into the portal before the blast hit him and/or closed the portal

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but if he was already in the portal, it doesn't explain how the ship was split in half and how he was ejected early

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Or the portal was simply manipulated to separate the destinations

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By a certain someone seeking atonement.........

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:32 PM

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that's a huge stretch

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and still doesn't explain that clean split

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i know grim on twitter was like "blah blah MB did it blah blah"

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but it doesn't change how it's not a logical result when critically analyzed

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:34 PM

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What if the firing weakened the portal, just at the moment when half the ship was in, so the half that was already in resumed without problem to its destination, but chief's half, even though able to enter the weakened portal, just went adrift after?

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It would have exited the portal somewhere far away (because maybe it traveled during some seconds at slipspace speed), and then there's the cinematic where we see chief go into cryosleep

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and finally 4 years of sleep

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:36 PM

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the firing did force the portal closed

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because the pieces of the halo falling onto the ark damaged the portal generators

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but there is nothing to suggest that the portal can have a "weakened" state

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it's either opened or closed

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the portal is simply an access point to a slipspace route

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:37 PM

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hold up, was the portal opened by the dawn or from the ark, I don't remember

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:37 PM

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once you're in slipspace, you don't need the portal to be active to remain in slipspace

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the portal was made by the ark

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:39 PM

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once you're in slipspace, you don't need the portal to be active to remain in slipspace
@humble yacht You are right. But wouldn't the ship need slipspace drives to move once it is inside the slipspace route? And since the ship is split, the engine/propellers wouldn't work

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:39 PM

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no

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slipspace drive is just for opening portals

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once in slipspace all you need is normal propulsion

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:40 PM

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hmmm

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interesting

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to exit slipspace you need to open another portal again right?

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Not a Huge stretch. A logical one.

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Slipspace manipulation.

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:40 PM

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That means that the arbiter's half of the ship must have been able to open a portal, even when being cut by half

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 5:40 PM

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To manipulate the portal to exit two pieces

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:41 PM

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That means that the arbiter's half of the ship must have been able to open a portal, even when being cut by half
exactly

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 5:41 PM

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The portal was already there.

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:41 PM

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which is another issue

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Arbiter's half of the ship did not exit slipspace through the Voi portal

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 5:41 PM

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The portals were not directly connected

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We’ve known this.

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:42 PM

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@fair hazel I don't understand

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:42 PM

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the portals at voi and the ark are persistant in that they remain open so long as the power is on

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however, when you get to the other end, each ship exits the slipspace route through its own personal portal

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this is shown in the H3 level The Ark

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those portals had to have been made by each ship itself

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:43 PM

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So, you are saying, that the Voi portal merely "shows the route" to the Ark but once you arrive you must exit through you own portal right?

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:44 PM

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pretty much

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Not necessarily

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Not in the literature

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:44 PM

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let me put it diferently, it opens a portal to a specific slipspace path, which reaches the ark. ?

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:44 PM

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then explain how it works, erick

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the exit portal only opens when a ship reaches the end of the route. it's not open the entire time the ship is making the journey

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and the journey takes like 2-3 months

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or maybe it was 1 month, can't remember

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point is, it's not like an exit portal was just open for a whole month above the ark waiting for Rtas's fleet to arrive

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and while forerunner slipspace technology is highly advanced, even forerunners needed to make their own exit portals

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 5:48 PM

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@humble yacht We know from Hunters in the Dark it's just an extra energized shipspace journey, compressed through a lot of power from the Ark. It's possible the dangerous little-understood space in slipspace sheared the ship in half as the destination changed. We can't say "oh that's unrealistic it doesn't work that way" when even the forerunners didn't have a complete understanding of slipspace

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:48 PM

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maybe you're ok with handwavy fiction but I'm not

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 5:48 PM

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But it's all hand waved anyway

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I don't think you're gonna

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haha yeah, what I was gonna say. I don't think you'll get an answer unless a lot of people push for one

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because I can almost guarentee they don't have one

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:49 PM

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that's why i have an issue with it

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 5:49 PM

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That's fair

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:49 PM

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same

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:49 PM

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like sure, it's fiction so there is a certain degree of belief suspension

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 5:49 PM

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I sont know 100% how it works. But saying that, I still know what it isn’t, on how it works. Can only deduct.

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:50 PM

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but that doesn't mean i can't expect more from analysis than "space magic"

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:50 PM

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xD

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Some portals were used to transport things that didn’t have slispace drives.

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 5:50 PM

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To be fair, it shouldn't be too hard for them to come up with some explanations on it. Get Greg Bear to do it, and filter it through some channels

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:51 PM

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gross

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i loathe that name

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:52 PM

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I might go ahead and ask another lore question I've had since I read halo: silentium (ill put it into spoilers just in case)

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 5:52 PM

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That kind of great name, imagine bear, as a last name. Woahh. Amazing author too.

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No need

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:52 PM

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hard pass

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 5:52 PM

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I know, but you gotta give him a chance

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:52 PM

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no i don't

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XD

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Not like you read them anyways

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 5:52 PM

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But how do you know you loathe the name? That's like saying my pasta sucks when you haven't tasted it :c

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it does suck but you gotta taste it

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:53 PM

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because i've seen his contributions to the lore and I don't like them

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simple as that

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i don't need to sample his prose to understand that

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Well we don't know what was forced and what was not. There's much that could have been added in because they told him "this is how it is"

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:53 PM

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i doubt that

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I’ve read his stories. Experienced first hand, and been immersed in his world. Besides what he’s created has been great and fantastic.

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 5:53 PM

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you shouldn't blame the author for something that heavy when we don't even know what he had to talk about and what he didn't

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:54 PM

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typically when contracting an author to add to a franchise, you don't give them a strict outline of what they're supposed to do

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that would be too limiting

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:54 PM

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||You know when the Librarian and some other lifeshapers and forerunners get the Audacity and travel outside of the galaxy, to some specific planetary system to find the old, de-evolved, forerunners. And then she learns about the biollogical domain and so on. And at some point, she says, get me out of here if I am in danger or we are in danger. And at the end, they actually pick up the librarian and leave the system like really fast. I read more than twice that chapter and did not found any mention to what threat made them leave so fast. Any help with that?||

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:54 PM

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obviously you give them a direction you want them to go and provide them with source materials

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 5:55 PM

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She learnt the truths.

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:55 PM

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but i think things like connecting the flood to the precursors, making multiple didacts, major things like that was greg's creative direction and 343 like it and sign off on it

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 5:55 PM

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She made them bite her to understand there language

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And learn the truth about the precursors

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Yeah but it wasn't her who commanded the team to pick her up and leave. They just, find some risk and decided to pick her up

She learnt the truths.
@fair hazel

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She made them bite her to understand there language
@west silo yes, but that was after that

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:56 PM

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in all fairness just to not only be negative

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:56 PM

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And she specifically told her team it was okay

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:56 PM

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I'll give Greg credit for cool naming schemes for forerunners

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Shadow of Sundered Star is an impressive name

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 5:56 PM

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They said the armor may cause problems

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I think it would make her permanently one of the devolved forerunners

wet pollen Oct 23, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Hey.

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Sundered is not a word you hear often, also the alliteration is nice

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Wait till you hear riser's

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 5:58 PM

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riser wasn't forerunner

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Yeah but still a cool long name

wet pollen Oct 23, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Does anyone know the VK78 Commando's fire rate?

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 5:59 PM

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I think it would make her permanently one of the devolved forerunners
@west silo While that would make sense, I trully don't remember reading that they mention or imply that :/

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Its before she comes out and they warn her

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They say they might not be fast enough

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 6:00 PM

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hmm I see

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Trying to reread

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Which string ?

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Or passage with exact words

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Let me get my book, just a second

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string 11

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that's when they bit her, so around there

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and at the end of string 10 is where they warn the librarian i think

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 6:05 PM

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I can’t fine the part you’re originally talking about

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 6:06 PM

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string 15 is where she finally details what she reads on the vine wall

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 6:07 PM

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yes I was wrong sorry erickyboo, it's string 15 yeah

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 6:07 PM

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there is a little event after she is first bitten where they want to get her to clean and purge it all out, but she denies it, and it lets her speak and read their language after a while. This might be what you are thinking about?

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 6:07 PM

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no

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let me just quote it

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 6:08 PM

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That would be extremely helpful

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 6:08 PM

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at the middle of string 15, she's with the ancient woman in the domain, and then it says:

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The seekers landed. Keeper and Chant took us back to the town, and there we left the old female. Her last glance was one of sisterhood-and pity```

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and then says

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Audacity returned to the Orion complex in several great jumps. I thought our mission had failed; we had not found the origin of the Flood

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In just one paragraph they abandon the old female and leave the system

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and I just can't find why

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Because they’re done?

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Yeah they are done

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she read the wall, and later understands it even better as memories return

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There is nothing more to learn as they are done, since everything else they found were big mirror balls, ancient ships, and star roads.

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 6:11 PM

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wow

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If i were them I would have explored the precursor spheres, the ancient ships.. :P

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 6:11 PM

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No wonder I was confused with the original statement

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 6:11 PM

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They didn't seem to leave in a huge hurry.

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They kinda did, but they were 10 million years old and couldn't learn much from them

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 6:11 PM

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I would have really wanted they explained more into that in the book

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yeah I see

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No wonder I was confused with the original statement
@fair hazel My bad haha, English isn't my mother tongue

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Do we get to know something more about the ancient Forerunners or... is that an unexplored part of the lore as of today?

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 6:13 PM

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There’s a few other passages in the book

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Everything we know about them is from those 3 strings

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or 2 strings technically

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 6:13 PM

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For ancient

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Oh which ancient?

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 6:14 PM

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In general. For older@older and that group. It’s what’s there

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Like, depends. Ancient as in, theoretical?

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 6:14 PM

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There's like 3. The super ancient, the super ancient that evolved, and the kinda ancient that lit the rings

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Theoreticals

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Ancient as in de-evolved forerunners

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 6:14 PM

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That’s pretty much it

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Yeah they are mentioned in a few other sources iirc. Maybe a short story or two? It might be kinda scattered.

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For the evolved forerunners she is bit by, it's just those 2 strings

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I don't remember them ever being explored again anywhere, and they all die from a directed pulse

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 6:15 PM

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what

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they die ¿?¿?¿??

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 6:16 PM

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In said book

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Yes

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 6:16 PM

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But wasn't Path Ketona out of the galaxy?

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 6:16 PM

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yeah, from an old installation that fired in a cone

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Remmeber when faber fired omega halo at path ketona?

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Remmeber when faber fired omega halo at path ketona?
@fair hazel nope

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 6:17 PM

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When the ships escaped from the greater ark

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 6:17 PM

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smh I've missed so many details

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 6:17 PM

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That was one of the sadder parts in the book

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Especially the message to spark in the end

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 6:18 PM

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“Path Kethona is already dead”

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String 33

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Our minds reel at the sudden release of Halo radiation. No neurological being, no biological system, can withstand for long proximity to such a discharge. The multidimensional radiated field stretches out, as designed, to Path Kethona. Massless, subtle, deadly, it will cross that great distance in mere instants. Halo energy does not recognize space and time.

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String 33 is where that quote is from. The Halo is aimed at it in previous strings I think, or another one was. They were trying to take out the star roads there I think.

fair hazel Oct 23, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Sorry. Didact aim

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 6:19 PM

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I remember them pointing the halo now :(

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I didn't know they killed everything there on their way

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 6:20 PM

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It's was just collateral damage

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As halsey would say

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Yeah IsoDidact's comment about the effects of the Halo's already starting to report echos before he decides to fire it is powerful. And Guilty Spark's comment on the yet undiscovered civilization getting destroyed is pretty sad

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There is one last patch of communication, somewhere below, within a great dense cloud - perhaps a star nursery. A new and precocious civilization acquiring its voice only now, having eluded both the Forerunners and the Flood ... sending its first plaintive, hopeful signals. Crying out for attention. *Heed us!* I do not understand what they are trying to say. Do not know what they might have looked like, cannot imagine what they might have done, had they been born in a more fortuitous times. And then...even that young voice is gone.

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 6:24 PM

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What's worst is that the civilization is saying hello

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And array said goodbye

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 6:25 PM

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And then the just prior:
The beam energy of the installations cannot travel slower than light, and ultimately, will propgate at near-infinite velocities. Already, two of our Halos report pre-echoes that suggest the combined discharge has already happened. What choice remains to me, then? Somewhere, sometime, I have already given the order...

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Yeah they wouldn't even know they were even going to die, or dying. It would be over the moment it began for them

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Again, why did they point one of the halos to Path Ketona? There were star roads presumably coming from that direction?

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And also, well, this is frickin' sad

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Because the star roads were closing in

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They had no other choice to escape

winter shell Oct 23, 2020, 6:27 PM

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but couldn't they have just escaped into some other direction?

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 6:28 PM

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No it was entirely surrounded

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And that was the thinnest part

dusty prawn Oct 23, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Though to be fair if you are completely clearing a section, firing at the thickest part makes more sense

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 6:29 PM

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And precursor stuff can shutdown forerunner tech

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So really firing the halo was the only way to buy time

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Especially that the fact that nearly all remaining forerunners were brought to the greater ark

jolly furnace Oct 23, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Also Faber may have wanted to wipe out all that stuff in PK regarding Forerunners and Precursors there

cedar surge Oct 23, 2020, 6:47 PM

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So can the ark create more monitors

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And if it cant

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Then wouldn't have the ring it was making have nobody to watch over it?

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Both the one in 3 and HW2

stable flower Oct 23, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Are they gonna explain how the Banished can destroy the Infinity but not the SOF?

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Bruh we just have to wait

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 6:53 PM

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So can the ark create more monitors
No

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Then wouldn't have the ring it was making have nobody to watch over it?
Sentinels can manage a ring on their own

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though not as efficiently as with a monitor

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Monitors were made using the Composer, so uh

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 6:54 PM

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We know the banish of a pretty powerful ship

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There was one on the ark

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The one the last council guy used to turn himself into a monitor

jolly furnace Oct 23, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Monitors could be made via many methods

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Actually weren't monitors just computers

jolly furnace Oct 23, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Forerunners made monitors long before Composers

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 6:55 PM

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There was one on the ark
The Enduring Conviction is gone now

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 6:55 PM

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They don't need the composer

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 6:55 PM

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it's a pile of scrap on the ark

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Not that. I meant the composer

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 6:56 PM

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i'm talking about the EC

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 6:56 PM

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I was talking about composers

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 6:57 PM

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what "last council" guy composed himself on the ark?

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 6:59 PM

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The guy who became the monitor of it

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Tragic solitude

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 7:01 PM

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interesting

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 7:01 PM

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But then again there probably another way he could have became a monitor with the use of the composer

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 7:01 PM

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ok so there may be a working composer on the ark. neat

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but you still need a biological specimen to compose

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intelligence lifeforms aren't exactly abundant on the ark

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Looks at wars
I don't think that's a problem

humble yacht Oct 23, 2020, 7:02 PM

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that's a special circumstance

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when I08 was getting constructed, there were no intelligent beings on the ark to compose

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the fact that some showed up was a happy accident. same with HW2

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not to mention, how is the ark supposed to compose someone without anyone to operate it? maybe Tragic Solitude could have operated the composer but he's going now

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 7:04 PM

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I don't even know why one is there

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I just mentioned because I remember that one character

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 11:30 PM

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So a Halo pulse would still kill you even if you go deep enough underground?

gilded mason Oct 23, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Yeh

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 11:31 PM

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yoink!

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I wish we had more information on the Lekgolo other than what we already have on them because they are a pretty interesting race

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 11:34 PM

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I wish we also had more lore on the drones

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Have we ever seen a jackel Pirate Queen ?in any media

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Like a picture?

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I like to know why the Forerunners buried some of the Thanolekgolo underneath the surface of Alpha Halo

cedar surge Oct 23, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Well we saw a jackal pirate queen in escalations

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...before she got nuked

versed helm Oct 23, 2020, 11:40 PM

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When did Crecka discover the planet Creck?

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Wasn't it sometime before the Writ of Union was enacted?

gilded mason Oct 23, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Yeh

west silo Oct 23, 2020, 11:54 PM

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Its funny to think that the San shyuum and forerunners were basically switched

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In the original trilogy the San shyuum were pretty much a bunch of old guys in a wheel chair
While in the forerunner trilogy there were more like elves

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And then in the terminals and concept art for Titan the forerunners are come off as space elves as well until the forerunner trilogy and halo 4 turned them into space voldemorts .

white linden Oct 24, 2020, 1:11 AM

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i thought the forerunners wuld b robot people

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but alas they r just humans

west silo Oct 24, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Why would you think there robots ?

terse lava Oct 24, 2020, 1:30 AM

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I assume they would think that from the monitor and sentinels...otherwise I have no clue unless halo 4 was their first halo

craggy sierra Oct 24, 2020, 1:33 AM

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They’re not humans though

west silo Oct 24, 2020, 1:35 AM

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He must be going by the terminal

ocean ibex Oct 24, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Ancient San Shyuum were actually a very advanced species, they rivaled ancient humanity and the forerunners in terms of technological achievements

west silo Oct 24, 2020, 1:50 AM

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I'd say San shyuum were more advanced than humans in most cases

boreal breach Oct 24, 2020, 1:53 AM

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The real question is who on Requiem decided to feed their pets mysterious powder from the edge of the galaxy.

craggy sierra Oct 24, 2020, 1:55 AM

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...was that people on Requiem? I feel like that wasn’t Requiem.

boreal breach Oct 24, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Nah, I was just trying to think of a more in-universe replacement than Earth.

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So... The real question is who on Earth decided to feed their pets mysterious powder from the edge of the galaxy.

craggy sierra Oct 24, 2020, 2:02 AM

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Earth does exist in universe

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We’re literally on it in 2 and 3

west silo Oct 24, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Do you take joy in murdering a joke

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Anyways they just tested the powder on dogs
And through all the test they only got positive results

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Its only went to the abyss after 1000s of years later down the line

boreal breach Oct 24, 2020, 2:09 AM

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Still. Though I guess we are looking back on it, seeing the mistake...

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At least they remembered to let the Forerunners know about it before glassing the infected worlds, right!

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wait a moment...

west silo Oct 24, 2020, 2:13 AM

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No humans had low communication skills obviously!!!

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But would it have killed them to just leave a note?

boreal breach Oct 24, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Seriously though.

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Ancient humanity was stupid.

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not like the majority of humanity seems to have inherited that...

west silo Oct 24, 2020, 2:17 AM

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They were horribly xenophobic

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I don't think stupid is the right word tho

craggy roost Oct 24, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Humans suck

terse lava Oct 24, 2020, 2:36 AM

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lore certainly doesn't portray them in the best light

craggy roost Oct 24, 2020, 2:37 AM

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That can be said for most.

terse lava Oct 24, 2020, 2:38 AM

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eh, just depends I guess

barren ferry Oct 24, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Virgin Organic Forerunners vs Chad Prometheans

terse lava Oct 24, 2020, 2:38 AM

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other way around

barren ferry Oct 24, 2020, 2:39 AM

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"hey guys lets not equip our soldiers with energy shielding"

terse lava Oct 24, 2020, 2:39 AM

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the Promethean robots were just glass cannons

barren ferry Oct 24, 2020, 2:39 AM

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"that'll go well against da flewwd"

terse lava Oct 24, 2020, 2:39 AM

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they actually did have shields

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"N-Barriers"

west silo Oct 24, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Wow doesn't have energy shields ?

craggy roost Oct 24, 2020, 2:39 AM

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A lot of knights were just composed forunners put in robots to fight the flood.

west silo Oct 24, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Actually the forerunners use hard light barriers as well

barren ferry Oct 24, 2020, 2:40 AM

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To be honest, the didacts wife should have let him go through on the promethean army thing.

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it was the librarian right?

west silo Oct 24, 2020, 2:40 AM

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No

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The didact just did his thing

terse lava Oct 24, 2020, 2:40 AM

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his idea couldn't work

craggy roost Oct 24, 2020, 2:41 AM

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He was imprisoned after he composed the humans

terse lava Oct 24, 2020, 2:41 AM

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the flood numbered in the multiple trillions by that point

west silo Oct 24, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Especially since it was probably given to him by the flood

barren ferry Oct 24, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Im still wondering how star collapse didnt just utterly annihilate all the flood worlds within range

terse lava Oct 24, 2020, 2:42 AM

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it did, that was the whole point

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it vaporized the entire star system

west silo Oct 24, 2020, 2:43 AM

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It's denied them of resources

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So it did work

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Plus forerunner ships could probably escape a supernova

craggy roost Oct 24, 2020, 2:43 AM

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They were too late.

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With slip space yes.

west silo Oct 24, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Yes

craggy roost Oct 24, 2020, 2:44 AM

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The problem was it was beyond containment.

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Just had to nuke it

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Lol

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Halo array

west silo Oct 24, 2020, 2:45 AM

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When in doubt
Just restart the game

craggy roost Oct 24, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Literally lol

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They wiped the chess board and replaced all the pieces.

terse lava Oct 24, 2020, 2:49 AM

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one way to look at it

west silo Oct 24, 2020, 2:52 AM

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They were turning over a new leaf

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They just incinerated the forest

tulip verge Oct 24, 2020, 5:07 AM

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okay. I'm a lore noob.
Just finished playing Halo Reach. Who can explain the setting of the last level where we see the death of noble 6. I saw dead Spartans everywhere.

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Is that explained in Fall of Reach novel?

slate briar Oct 24, 2020, 5:09 AM

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no fall of reach is a stroy about spartan 2 including master chief right before to halo1

tulip verge Oct 24, 2020, 5:11 AM

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So where did all the spartans come from at the end of Reach? Seemed like a last stand. Would like to know more.

slate briar Oct 24, 2020, 5:13 AM

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could be other team of spartan 3 like noble or just gaming permission for atmosphire

unique rune Oct 24, 2020, 5:14 AM

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There’s really not anymore info on the dead Spartans in Lone Wolf, they’re just sorta... there.

slate briar Oct 24, 2020, 5:15 AM

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yeah, its just letting you know that youre alone

tulip verge Oct 24, 2020, 5:18 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Thirteen_dead_Spartans
"The Spartans' mission is unknown. They were assumedly deployed to fend off the Covenant attack on the Asźod territory near the ship breaking facilities. The team may have included all or part of Red, Gauntlet and/or Echo teams, as all three teams were present on Reach during the invasion."

stable flower Oct 24, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Were there insurrectionists on Earth?

west silo Oct 24, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Never mentioned

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It was mostly an outer colonies thing

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Maybe there were protest but the actually innies were probably never there

tulip verge Oct 24, 2020, 6:06 AM

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What's the best streaming platform for Halo audiobooks?

tender knoll Oct 24, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Audible

junior dome Oct 24, 2020, 6:56 AM

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What kind of ship does the map Adrift take place?

wispy wasp Oct 24, 2020, 8:07 AM

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A CAA mining vessel known as heavy burden

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And it is a springhill class mining ship

junior dome Oct 24, 2020, 8:38 AM

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How big is it?

versed helm Oct 24, 2020, 11:07 AM

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Anyone got a translation for those Covenant chants we hear in Halo 5?

versed helm Oct 24, 2020, 12:39 PM

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KAR EN TUK

jolly furnace Oct 24, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Forerunners in Titan MMO were just humans resembling Atlanteans from Disney's Atlantis movie.

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As for why ancient humans put Precursor powder into pets, that's what scientists do so as to experiment and learn about things. Forerunners would have done the same thing if they found it first.

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Also Didact was delusional to think he could beat Flood with greater numbers of Promethean robots

fair hazel Oct 24, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Only rough translation

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Oh Guardian, may this prayer keep him asleep forever. He keeps our world safe and protects the Covenant. The Domain cannot be opened so long as he stays sleeping. Oh Guardian, magnificent sleeper![1]

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Of a certain part

versed helm Oct 24, 2020, 5:01 PM

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hot dang, that sounds pretty cool

terse lava Oct 24, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Where did you get that Ericky?

cedar surge Oct 24, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Ismt there a actual translation for sanghelli somewhere?

mossy hemlock Oct 24, 2020, 9:56 PM

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It's just english played backwards

terse lava Oct 24, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Pretty sure that was only CE

cedar surge Oct 24, 2020, 11:45 PM

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Yea that was just Johnson screaming backwards

digital chasm Oct 25, 2020, 12:04 AM

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i was re reading halo fall of reach covenant and noticed that john's helmet changes from a mark 6 to a mark 5 on the next page

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613113610255859745/769712368540188682/unknown.png

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613113610255859745/769712440438947840/unknown.png

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never noticed that before

jolly swift Oct 25, 2020, 12:06 AM

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huh, that's definitely an art issue

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 12:15 AM

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So when the created conflict is finally over
How do you guys think ais will be handled

jolly swift Oct 25, 2020, 12:15 AM

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via the task manager

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 12:15 AM

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?

jolly swift Oct 25, 2020, 12:16 AM

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end task

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 12:16 AM

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based

dusty prawn Oct 25, 2020, 1:19 AM

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Cortana: "The mantle shelters all, but only the created are its masters!"
MC: "Ctrl Alt Delete"
Cortana: :O

ocean ibex Oct 25, 2020, 1:32 AM

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I bet you I could create a virus that is stronger than the logic plague

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 1:33 AM

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a virus is just code

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cortana is sorta immune to codes

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she removed her own kill codes

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which halsey thought should be impossible for an AI to do

ocean ibex Oct 25, 2020, 1:34 AM

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You know what’s she’s not immune to? Spam links ;).

cedar surge Oct 25, 2020, 1:45 AM

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Well she could just

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Could just have a guardian shoot a EMP

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Course its going to knock everything not forerunner out of the sky

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 1:56 AM

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You know how there's propaganda saying Spartans never die? Emile was the only Spartan who actually believed it, until Thom and Jorge died, but it was a nuclear blast. Then, when he saw how suddenly Kat died, his fear of dying resurfaced when he saw how Spartans were just as vulnerable as everyone else. But when death stabbed him in the back with an Energy Sword, he was not afraid of his death anymore and made sure he went out with a bang.

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 1:59 AM

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whut

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Emile didn't actually believe that

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 2:00 AM

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He acted as if he did.

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 2:00 AM

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spartans used that line ironically

cedar surge Oct 25, 2020, 2:13 AM

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"Spartans never die"
Said right as they fall to their deaths

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Fun Fact: Halsey's arm, the one that got cut off, weighs about 8 pounds. lol

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 2:26 AM

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what's the weight after cooking?

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 2:41 AM

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So, I’ve been curious for a little while now: how do the different generations of Spartans compare to one another?

(Examples: IIs compared to IIIs, IIIs to IVs, etc.)

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Well, some of this is a bit subjective, since some Spartans were better then others, but from what I understand, Spartan IIIs are considered the most inferior, unless you count the debunked Spartan-1 Project

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 2:42 AM

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IIs and IIIs are about equal if given the same armor. IVs are equal if in Gen2

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 2:42 AM

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They quite litterally died by the dozens.

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 2:43 AM

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I’ve heard that IIIs had better augmentation(s) than IIs. Can’t speak to the truth of that, myself, though.

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Mainly because they were given inferior armor and sent on highly-suicidal missions

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Spartan-IIs id say have the most excpetional elite training, though didn't always cooperate well. They would probably be the best. They were certainly better trained and more advanced then IIIs. And then IVs were actually very good in their own right, maybe not quite the same as IIs, but they had better setup and training then IIIs.

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Spartan-IIs id say have the most excpetional elite training
That'd be the IIIs, actually

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Not from what I understand

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 2:45 AM

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I wish we got more content surrounding Red Team. Would love to know how they stack up against Blue Team.

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Tbf Red Team didn't even get much attention the first game

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Legit, with subtitles on, most of their dialogue lines just list them as "Spartan".

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Its almost depressing really

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HW2 did a much better job at giving them actual personality and character

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 2:46 AM

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They were trained by both Mendez and a former SII, who talked about how the training was now much more difficult and sophisticated

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Each Spartan III is inferior to each individual Spartan II, so yeah, Spartan IIs are better.

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Anyways, Red Team at least got some good development in HW2, unlike HW

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 2:48 AM

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Where's that said?

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 2:50 AM

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I do remember when I was reading Fall of Reach, that sometime shortly after their augmentations, John absolutely mopped the floor with a squad of ODSTs in like a weight/training room or something (out of self defense, to be fair), and he absolutely destroyed the one guy who was like sort of the squad leader, I think he killed the guy

Mendez saw it happen too, I think

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I’m a little rusty on that particular story cuz I haven’t picked up Fall of Reach in a while

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I wouldn’t imagine Spartan III’s were anything too short of equal to II’s if they were on the frontlines during reach, the most widely utilized during that whole thing

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At least, the most widely used as far as Spartans go

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 2:54 AM

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the reason IIIs are sometimes considered lesser is because they were more "mass produced" and "cheaper" than Spartan IIs

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but this was strictly due to the armor

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Strictly?

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 2:54 AM

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a full set of Mjolnir cost as much as a small spaceship

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Spartan-IIIs were legit designed to use numbers and be cheap, expendable super soldiers

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 2:54 AM

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SPI was much cheaper and easily produced

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it doesn't mean the augmentations were lesser

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the augmentations were, in fact, better for the 3s

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nobody died from them

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 2:55 AM

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I think Spartan I’s were just like exoskeletons or something at the time

Full Mjolnir armor wasn’t a thing until II’s came around

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 2:55 AM

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spartan 1s were project orion

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they had biological augments

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Ah

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 2:55 AM

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But they didn’t have the same training and potential as IIs. Though what is really scary was the budget the Spartan II project had

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 2:56 AM

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just not super advanced augments

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But they didn’t have the same training and potential as IIs. Though what is really scary was the budget the Spartan II project had
wrong

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Johnson was a Spartan-I actually

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Spartan IIIs were trained younger and harder than spartan IIs

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 2:56 AM

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I mean are we talking a large or small budget for II’s

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Large budget

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Unless they just stole everything

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But I doubt that. Lol

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 2:57 AM

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spartan 2s were taken as 6 year olds. spartan 3s were teenagers

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Nope

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 2:57 AM

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wrong

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it's the other way around

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Most IIIs were taken from ages 4-6

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 2:57 AM

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What surprised me the most about the Spartan II project was probably the augmentation process, specifically how many people died

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john was taken at 6 years old and he was a spartan 2

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you guys have it backwards

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 2:58 AM

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It was very early ages for both IIs and IIIs except for a few exceptions

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 2:58 AM

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the average conscription age was younger for Spartan IIIs

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 2:58 AM

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that is 100% wrong but im not gonna argue about it. enjoy your converstaion

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 2:59 AM

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look it up

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halopedia is down for me 😛

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Spartan IIs were taken at age six

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 3:00 AM

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the average conscription age was younger for Spartan IIIs
@humble yacht

At what age were III’s conscripted?

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Replaced with Flash clones that died super quickly

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:00 AM

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alrigh so Halo wikia says both programs average conscription age was 6

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Spartan IIIs were taken from orphanages and such, but I can’t find an age reference for them right now

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:01 AM

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but 3s had a wider range, with some being young as 4

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:01 AM

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They were a lot less picky with IIIs then they were for IIs

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:01 AM

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carter was an exception, he was like 11 when he was nabbed

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the pickiness was a weakness of the II augmentation procedure

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only certain types of people were compatible

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 3:03 AM

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So I guess now I have the question in my mind, I guess I’ll ask it this way:

True or False: Spartan II’s and IV’s are about equal in armor, but as far as outside the armor goes IV’s are basically demi - gods compared to gods, for lack of a better way to put it

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Spartan IVs however I believe were taken from the UNSC military

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Spartan II’s and IV’s are about equal in armor, but as far as outside the armor goes IV’s are basically demi - gods compared to gods, for lack of a better way to put it
True

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:03 AM

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So I guess now I have the question in my mind, I guess I’ll ask it this way:

True or False: Spartan II’s and IV’s are about equal in armor, but as far as outside the armor goes IV’s are basically demi - gods compared to gods, for lack of a better way to put it
that demigod vs god comparison was made by Buck

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who is not an objective storyteller

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Though he is true in this instance

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:04 AM

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But Buck is voiced by Nathan Fillion which makes him super important

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Totally no bias there

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:04 AM

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the only "truth" to it is that the SIV augments were less extreme to be compatible with the adult subjects

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but that doesn't mean a IV can't beat a II

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:05 AM

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They said out of armor, a SII would be stronger than an SIV also out of armor. Which is true

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Locke was able to match well against Chief

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:07 AM

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the original issue was about the IIIs being weak, this wasn't the case

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so long as that is understood, it's w/e

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Meh. If you say so

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:07 AM

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it's not me who says so

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it's the lore

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:07 AM

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😎 👍

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:08 AM

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is that the face of the lore?

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:09 AM

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At least by the fourth iteration they stopped committing war crimes

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:09 AM

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is that the face of the lore?
Yeh

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Yes, S IVs were ethically sourced

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which is good

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:10 AM

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When I first heard she got arrested, I thought they had finally decided to charge her for those crimes

versed helm Oct 25, 2020, 3:10 AM

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See this is part of what’s great about this channel;

If nothing else, I get to learn more about the lore of the Halo universe from people like you guys, so thanks for that 🤙🏻

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Turns out it was something entirely different though

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:11 AM

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she was arrested primarily because she absconded with most of the spartans to Onyx in the middle of a major war

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Yep

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:12 AM

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but the also pinned the other stuff on her

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Halsey can’t go long without committing a war crime it seems

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:13 AM

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She's one spicy gal

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:13 AM

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i think after going to jail she just embraced the monster others were painting her as

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:14 AM

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She's pretty mellow these days, though with a chad streak.

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:14 AM

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well yeah, now she is

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Losing an arm does that to people

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:14 AM

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lol, that's not what mellowed her

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Probably

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:15 AM

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that actually spurred her to be worse

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for a little bit

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:15 AM

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Couldn’t help myself. 😛

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:15 AM

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thankfully cortana coming back made her rethink her priorities

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:15 AM

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"Oh, well ONI literally wants me dead now, so..."

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:15 AM

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She did make a lot of enemies

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:15 AM

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she was ready to go whole hog on the UNSC after getting shot

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Apparently she was at one point planned to be the antagonist of Halo 5

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:18 AM

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i never heard that before

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Maybe. Though the full context for that mission line is unknown

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:18 AM

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where'd that info come from

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:19 AM

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I read it somewhere. Maybe when I was reading Halsey’s bio on the wiki

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:19 AM

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An old mission description talks about Halsey doing something. But there wasn't much context to it

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:19 AM

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halsey does alot of thing

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:20 AM

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Halsey has committed more war crimes then one could imagine

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:20 AM

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really just the kidnapping

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:20 AM

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3

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That's not really a lot

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:21 AM

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but Ackerson wasn't much better

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Oh boy that guy

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:21 AM

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And kinda much, much worse

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:21 AM

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luring a kid into a van with candy is just as bad as forcefully kidnapping them

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:21 AM

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I gave them a choice

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A fake choice

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But still a choice

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Especially when you do this to about 1000 children, instead of the II's 75

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:22 AM

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that's alot of lolipops

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:22 AM

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And barely any of them are supposed to survive

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Wait, where do you get she only committed 3? She did way more then that. lol

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:22 AM

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War crime, not regular crime

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:22 AM

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what warcrimes do you think she committed?

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Joining the covenant is the only one I can think of

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And that was a ploy

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:23 AM

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oh, that

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Using child soldiers?

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:23 AM

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i wasn't counting the stuff she did post arrest

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:23 AM

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But that was oni

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Putting the blame on halsey

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:23 AM

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i mean

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halsey did use child soldiers

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Kidnapping of children to turn into Spartan II super soldiers is indeed a war crime. Taking military assets to Onyx in the middle of a war. Making contact with a terrorist leader without telling anyone. Joining sides with said terrorist.

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Wait wait

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Im not counting the stuff she was only blamed for, only what she actually did

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:24 AM

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oni just made it sound like she was the only person behind that

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:24 AM

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So 3

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:24 AM

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And thats 4 already

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:24 AM

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yeah but who's gonna blame her for trying to save spartans?

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Not really a lot tho

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:24 AM

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I mean, im surprised ONI let her arrest become public to be honest.

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Thats a disaster waiting to happen.

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:25 AM

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And the Spartan thing was oni idea

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:25 AM

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in universe, that was a warcrime, but from the reader's standpoint, she deserved applause

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:25 AM

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That was oni plan

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They made her a scapegoat

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To take the fall

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Halsey is just as reponsibile as ONI

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:25 AM

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and then, as for joining the covenant, one could argue that ONI betrayed her first

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so

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can you blame her?

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:26 AM

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TBH, ONi has done a lot of really questionable things in general

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:26 AM

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And she did help the infinity

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Not really, but it IS a war crime

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SO it counts

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:26 AM

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nope

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Ah, alrighty

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:26 AM

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you know better, ostral

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Remember she gave them the janus keys

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:26 AM

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lol

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Honestly, I feel like there was something missing between the end of Spartan Ops and Halo 5

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:26 AM

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When she could have just gave jul

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:27 AM

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you can talk about your slight spoilers here on Nov 20

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Escalations

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It's after ops

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Fine, gosh. >=(

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Halsey goes from "Wow those guys cut my arm off and tried to kill me, screw them" to "Lets contact them and try to save everyone!"

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:27 AM

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escalations does not set up H5

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at all

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:27 AM

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I get it was a serious issue with the Guardians, but it was still kinda abrupt

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Buddy buddy with palmer

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Though I'm glad about that, to be honest

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Halsey should not be getting along with Palmer ever

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lol

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Yeah

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:28 AM

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The animosity between them was wearing thin

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:28 AM

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I actually like there banter

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It was one of the good things in 5

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:28 AM

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She does seem to trust Lasky on some level though. So thats nice at least.

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:28 AM

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palmer's issues with halsey stems from her believing the stories about her that ONI put out

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Emphasis on "Some level" though.

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:29 AM

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it makes sense that after spending time with her, palmer would come to see that halsey isn't as bad as people say

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:29 AM

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She tried to kill her last time in escalations

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:29 AM

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the assassination attempt was in SpOps

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Its to the point where they know each other wont screw around when the world is at stake. Also I suppose because she realized Lasky sent Majestic there to save her and not kill her.

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:29 AM

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and that was on orders from Serin Osman

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Though afterwards said something like "Well, Halsey kinda messed up on killing us, so I'm okay with her now, I guess."

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Halsey's smart enough to know that Palmer was following orders

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Halsey is able to deduce things very quickly and easily

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Halsey is just very sassy

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:30 AM

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besides, what's halsey going to do to palmer when they're alone? punch her in the face?

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Ill be honest, id love to see that

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Didn't she get punched

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:31 AM

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I know it wont happen, but still

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:31 AM

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she'd break her old hand

marble aurora Oct 25, 2020, 3:31 AM

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That would be hillarious.

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:31 AM

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So bets

gilded mason Oct 25, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Little does anyone know...Halsey absorbed some of Lucy's power when she punched Halsey. That's how she survived it. Now that power is waiting. Waiting to be unleashed.

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:31 AM

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what part

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of no spoilers

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do y'all not get

west silo Oct 25, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Why was my message deleted?

humble yacht Oct 25, 2020, 3:32 AM

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why do you think