@carmine sleet I am all for moving on, I just feel that Cortana can be saved and John is the on to do it
#lore-and-universe
timid tulip
carmine sleet
Didn't need to tag me
timid tulip
Sorry force of habit, I do it all the time when it comes to my other Discord servers that I am in
What's every ones prediction on how Halo Vanilla Infinite will end before they add DLC? Judging by the events that have happen in the MCC universe?
carmine sleet
The games in MCC aren't a separate continuity to Halo Infinite
And given how little we know about the story, it's hard to make a prediction
timid tulip
true
versed helm
Isnt vanilla infinite gonna be just MP?
carmine sleet
I think they mean the campaign
timid tulip
yeah that's what I mean
versed helm
one went on PoA, and then with chief, and then set about on galactic domination
what ｄｉｄ happen to the other one?
carmine sleet
There isn't a missing copy of Cortana
humble yacht
When cortana was made weren’t there 2 copies or something.
There were never two copies of Cortana. You may be confusing her fragment ability for another copy.
inner basin
The Fleet of Valiant Prudence led by Supreme Commander Rho 'Barutamee was the first to arrive, with Rho dying when the Long Night was destroyed
Ado and Ostral would probably say presumed dead lol
versed helm
that would depend on the evidence available
round comet
cortana copies
wait, can we talk about SoR now or is that still only-spoiler-chat stuff
cedar surge
You think the banished would copy the unsc and put mac guns on their ships?
humble yacht
No
unique rune
I can’t imagine why the Banished would use MACs when their energy projectors and other Covenant-sourced DEWs still work fine.
versed helm
Which Halo ring does halo infinite take place on?
radiant herald
Installation 07 AKA Zeta Halo, I believe
versed helm
Kk
radiant herald
Meaning the ring from the end of Halo Wars 2 (Installation 09, the SECOND replacement for Installation 04 AKA Alpha Halo) doesn't seem to matter
Still don't know whether the ring in Halo 5's Legendary Ending is Installation 07 or Installation 09
versed helm
Isn't Halo wars 2 based on the ark
radiant herald
Yeah
The plot of the Ark has the surviving humans hijacking Installation 09 and then sending a message with it to let the UNSC know where the Spirit of Fire is
Since Alpha Halo is located fairly close to Reach
radiant herald
That's what it'd doing
versed helm
Oh ok
radiant herald
The Ark is making Installation 09 to replace the ones blown up in Halo CE and Halo 3 (Installation 04 and 08 respectively)
And then sending it to where Installation 04 was initially located
So Professor Anders hacks the ring to disable the "kill everything" and sets it up with an SOS message
versed helm
But doesn't Cortana go there with a guardian?
radiant herald
Cortana pulls the ring out of slipspace before it can reach its destination over the gas giant (seen in the skybox of Halo CE and travelled to in Halo 2)
versed helm
idk fam. all we know is that she pulls over near a ring
radiant herald
All the wikis say that Installation 09 was intercepted by a Guardian
Before it could reach its destination
versed helm
anders does see a guardian, but the connection is confirmed only if the guardian of HW2 is the alpha guardian from H5
radiant herald
We don't know that
We don't know if the ring in Halo 5's ending is the one from Halo Wars 2 (Installation 09) or the one from Halo Infinite (Installation 07)
versed helm
Idk about you guys but the halo 5 campaign confused me
exactly. thats the main possible link between HW2 and H5
carmine sleet
anders does see a guardian, but the connection is confirmed only if the guardian of HW2 is the alpha guardian from H5
Doesn't need to be the Guardian used by Cortana personally and I'm pretty sure none of the Guardians were given specific names like "Alpha Guardian"
versed helm
07 has a chunk missing. the H5 guardian doesnt go to 07
radiant herald
I'm going to guess the ring at the end of Halo 5 is the HW2 one cause Halo Infinite takes place a while later after Humans lose the war
Also that reason that I'm learning now
versed helm
Do we know why it has a chunk missing?
carmine sleet
Do we know why it has a chunk missing?
No clue as of now
humble yacht
Do we know why it has a chunk missing?
We will when infinite comes out
versed helm
But I remember Exuberant calling one of the Guardians the Alpha Guardian
What do you guys think took a chunk out of the ring?
carmine sleet
Not a ship exploding
radiant herald
A giant space whale who thought it was a space onion ring
versed helm
He was hungry
And isnt the missing chunk there because of the time when 07 tried to ＂thread the needle＂ with a planet?
when it was a big boy ring and stuff?
humble yacht
No
carmine sleet
But I remember Exuberant calling one of the Guardians the Alpha Guardian
None of the Guardians were ever called "Alpha Guardian", only one with a specific name is Guardian 3209
humble yacht
That was 100,000 years ago, it had plenty of time to fix itself
carmine sleet
Didn't that get fixed back 100,000 years ago?
versed helm
Did it, tho?
radiant herald
Also the first replacement for I04 in Halo 3 only took a few months to make and the second replacement in Wars 2 took years, I guess due to the multiple nearby explosions at the end of Halo 3. First the detonation of High Charity, then the sloppy activation of Installation 08
So the Ark had to repair itself
humble yacht
Yes, it got fixed when it was reduced to a 10k ring
carmine sleet
Thought so
radiant herald
And if something the size of the Ark can be repaired in 5 years, surely I07 would have plenty of time to fix itself by the time of Infinite
versed helm
But wasnt the size reduction the fixing method, after grav anomalies due to the planet caused it to break?
versed helm
Where would it get the materials to fix that chunk?
radiant herald
Wait, is I07 smaller than the other rings?
humble yacht
Surrounding planets
carmine sleet
Wait, is I07 smaller than the other rings?
No, it's smaller than it originally was as it was part of a different array that was never used originally
radiant herald
Reading now, it was made by another Ark and was 3x the size of a standard ring
versed helm
Aye
humble yacht
Yep
jolly swift
so in terms of post H5 stories, there's HW2, Bad Blood, and now Shadows of Reach, but is there anything else?
radiant herald
The Greater Ark and the 12 ring array were both busted after Medicat Bias joined the Gravemind I guess
Extremely paraphrasing
So the Forerunners had to make a backup "Lesser Ark" and array
versed helm
Yep
radiant herald
According to the wiki I'm reading, the damage of I07 seen in Infinite happened as a result of the Banished forcefully taking over the ring from the UNSC already stationed there
humble yacht
That’s an assumption
radiant herald
Thought so
Apparently I07 has relatively different architecture and internal design due to it being an earlier model
humble yacht
Logical
radiant herald
Giving 343 the excuse to make it look relatively how they want rather than following the design of Alpha Halo, Delta Halo and the Lesser Ark
Even if they're taking more inspiration from those now
humble yacht
Delta halo already looked way different than alpha halo
radiant herald
Had more plants for starters
humble yacht
The library was way different
radiant herald
More of a rainforest and tall grass climate rather than flat plains and swamps I guess
humble yacht
We only saw smidgens of the biomes on i04
There could have been rainforests there too
radiant herald
I learned about the existent of Halo 3's cut Forest level today, and am now sad
Well rainforests exist on Alpha Halo if you play Saber Interactive's interpretation
humble yacht
That’s like saying one Minecraft world has less plants than another because you spawned in a desert biome instead of a forest
radiant herald
Yeah I guess, that first point was kinda moot
But I mean the style of architecture is the same across both rings and the Ark
Not necessarily copypasted rooms
Also accounting for better graphical hardware
humble yacht
Well it’s also a different kind of installation from requiem and genesis
radiant herald
Shield Worlds vs Fortress Worlds
humble yacht
Requiem was the didact’s main HQ so it was likely designed to suit Warrior Servant tastes
While halos were probably more to builders’ tastes
radiant herald
Fair
Why do the rings have biomes anyway
They're weapons
Placed above planets that likely already have biomes
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
radiant herald
I guess so that Forerunners could perform work on their surface
I guess
Speaking of shield worlds, Etran Harborage
The Warrior-Servant design of Requiem but repurposed to essentially be a nature reserve that would be unaffected by the firing of the rings
And completely coated in flood on its exterior surface
versed helm
A perfect example of how effective a shield world is.
Wait. If you fire a ring, does the life on the ring also get rekt?
jolly swift
hm
that's a good question
actually wait, it almost definitely would, since Spark wanted to fire 04 to kill the Flood on the ring
jolly swift
Supposedly their nervous system disintegrates and the lifeless body just kinda thunks to the floor
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We've also seen it interpreted as disintegration so take it as you will
humble yacht
Halo pulses fry nervous systems
since the Flood super cell is known as a "thinking muscle cell", combining aspects of both brain and muscle cells, pure forms are basically one big nervous system
so are graveminds
Combat Forms and higher are neutralized by the Halos. however, individual FSCs and lower forms like pod infectors may get away. it's not fully clear
Halos do not disintegrate bodies, tho. that was due to The Solvent that the Forerunners spread around the galaxy before firing the Halos
ocean ibex
Wouldn’t the nervous system of most combat forms be dead though? Since the host most likely dies during the process of infection
humble yacht
The host dies, but the body is reanimated
the pod infector hijacks the nervous system, that's how it controls the body
echo ember
cedar surge
Wait the forerunners spread the solvent through the galaxy before firing?
Wasn't at that point most of the galaxy was under the floods control
And the forerunners were on the back foot
humble yacht
automated ships
west silo
Just like how they reseeded the galaxy
jolly swift
a massive civilization like the Forerunners being on the back foot would probably be comparable to where humans are
lusty yoke
tbh I feel sorry for John because Bungie wanted to make it seem like John had lost his friends at a young age ( prob. at the spartan 2 agumentation)
versed helm
Most died during the spartan programs
fair hazel
I don’t think bungie cared much for his character actually
west silo
Didn't every Spartan lose there friends at a young age ?
stable flower
Man did bungie even give any hint to the Spartans orgins in the games?
@west silo The closest is mentioning insurrectionists in Reach, but that's all I remember.
primal kestrel
They did release few books in early 2000s
fair hazel
Microsoft did
humble yacht
books aren't games
west silo
They never wanted it released
primal kestrel
Oh dang
I did not know that
Maybe 343 is doing a good job in giving more life to Master Chiefs character
west silo
The only thing they liked from the books were the 3s
gilded mason
Bungie actually really hated the fact other people came in to do writing with/for Bungie
primal kestrel
I just got Shadows of Reach
west silo
Lucky
primal kestrel
It's SOOO GOOD
stable flower
Bungie made people who don't read the books think Spartans were made to fight Covenant
primal kestrel
I won't spoil the book
I saw a sentence in the book that got me all hyped. Can you believe one sentence can do that!
No spoilers
west silo
Yeah
west silo
Give all the details
primal kestrel
I'll spoil it there
midnight loom
earnest hatch
shadowy figure emerges from a cave in reach
Master Chief: You're alive, Spartan?
Noble 6: Always have been.
Halo: Shadows of Reach
jolly swift
Six speaks with their Firefight voice
jolly swift
is the 6 cave thing even an actual theory or just a meme that's been repeated ad nauseum?
cedar surge
Half and half
jolly swift
would it be neat if 6 survived? yeah
do I think he did? no
it might make a cool elseworlds style story though
versed helm
but 6 no live. his guts got sheesh kebabed by energy swords
even chief levels of luck cant save you from that
jolly swift
Noble Six got the Cave Update early 😤
rain barn
20 pages into shadows of reach and it’s already making me really happy
jolly swift
shhhh no spoilers
jolly swift
good
I'm gonna try and find time to pick it up this week, wondering if it's worth bussing over to Walmart to get that edition
rain barn
I just got the normal edition
I’m sure they’ll release the short story other ways
idk
west silo
I like that the first chapter of the book basically bashes into your head that six is dead
jolly swift
Edna Mode voice
NO CAVES
humble yacht
let's just direct all SoR talk to #485883236430512168 to be safe
jolly swift
I'm staying out of there until I read it, so I just won't talk about SoR
lavish garnet
Guys... I need in on the hype train but... are there books that I should read before this? I’m very behind on my halo novels
Mainly ones that relate to SoR and infinite I would say
humble yacht
SoR is not a direct sequel to any of the other novels
Bad Blood is probably the closest thing to a prequel, given that its the last time we saw Chief
humble yacht
it's not like Bad Blood is required to understand SoR, tho
chief's only in it for a little bit
lavish garnet
That’s cool. Appreciate the response
vague scroll
also worth reading New Blood if you haven't given Bad Blood is the sequel to it
royal bridge
Had a question in a another halo server but no one answered it, I’m guessing someone here will be able to clarify:
So Spartan 2s were exclusively in the Naval service, is the same true for Spartan 3s? Kinda cofused, Noble Team seems to use Naval ranks, but they report to a Colonel, which is an army/Air Force/marine corps senior field grade officer, or is this just an instance of joint operations? Kinda like in today’s world with US JSOC
cedar surge
Well I think some Spartan 3s teams were lent to the army but I'm not too sure
humble yacht
Spartan's association with the Navy is likely due to the fact that ONI is behind the Spartan programs
so Navy would be like the default deployment
but given the importance of Reach as a military installation, it's not surprising they they'd have some spartans associated with the army
royal bridge
Yeah that was my guess, kinda like join operations kinda stuff
rigid current
So why does armor permutations like EOD, HAZOP, CBRN, and EVA exist when MJOLNIR has been shown to work in nonbreathable environments?
and can tank multiple shots and explosives at once
humble yacht
specializations are a natural thing
base Mark VI is a great all-around suit that gets the job done
rigid current
I mean if Chief can both tank a frag grenade explosion AND survive in a Flood heavy zone
humble yacht
but as the technology progressed, they get the ability to tailor suits for more specific jobs
rigid current
True
humble yacht
doesn't mean Mark VI wouldn't work for a particular situation, just means that there is MJOLNIR that suits a situation better and may be even more helpful for a particular mission
vague scroll
yes
the Master Chief has had more than a half dozen different armor configurations that we've seen through the franchise history
humble yacht
yeah, but chief has also had the benefit of getting the best stuff before most other spartans
rigid current
I imagine that'd sort of
humble yacht
so he's had little reason to change on the fly
cedar surge
Breed?
humble yacht
nah it works
humble yacht
lance's mind is just in the gutter
cedar surge
I thought dog breeds
cedar surge
Yea
rigid current
anyway
But yeah, I imagine there'd be atleast SOME resentment of Chief
Due to him being the poster child for the Spartans
humble yacht
nah
cedar surge
Well there was with the odsts
rigid current
tru
cedar surge
But to the other spartans he was a living legend
humble yacht
those sort of frivolous emotions were largely removed from spartans in their training
vague scroll
and it's not like the upgrades meant anything in the long run, under Halsey's initiative - the vast majority of MJOLNIR variants were test platforms, each one being unique due to the iterative upgrades Halsey pushed out
unlike other groups within the UNSC, Halsey's design philosophy favored evolutionary design rather than modularity
hence why she asked about Jorge modifying her armor in Halo Reach
cedar surge
So would have 3s and 4s been the same as the 2s under halsey?
vague scroll
in what way? she generally thought IIIs and IVs were a misstep in the development of Spartans
jolly swift
odds are Chief and Jorge knew each other, I wonder what the extend of their relation was
vague scroll
oh John and Jorge knew each other in the SPARTAN-II program
everyone knew each other
there were only 75 kids in the training phase, only 33 actually survived augmentations and entered active service + a few that were later rehabilitated but that's not really relevant to the question I think
jolly swift
yeah but were they friends? or did they really only know each other tangentially
vague scroll
we've not really seen the two act in the same scene
humble yacht
who knows
vague scroll
jorge got a brief cameo in the Fall of Reach short film but that's about it
rigid current
Honestly I like the IIIs and IVs
I like how each generation of Spartans are different
jolly swift
they seem like they'd complement each other well
rigid current
Yeah!
Each serve their own unique role
IIIs for infiltration
IVs for (mostly) general infantry
and IIs if you want alot of people dead really fast
fair hazel
I don't think I'd say that
vague scroll
spartans are all multipurpose units, their members all have specializations for different roles
rigid current
True true
vague scroll
S-IIIs were not intended for infiltration
vague scroll
SPI is just a cheap alternative to not being able to afford MJOLNIR for every Spartan
vast majority of Alpha and Beta missions were out in the open assaults
jolly swift
for the 2's Mjolnir was a good investment tbh
fair hazel
SPI Armour can be worn by non-spartans
rigid current
tru
fair hazel
Also some wore MJOLNIR
vague scroll
putting down Insurrectionist rebellions, attacking Covenant installations - their missions were at the company level - Ackerson intended to send his Spartans to the death
fair hazel
And IIs were... also really great at infiltration
rigid current
Honestly I think the IIs
atleast their original purpose that is
Seemed a tad bit... overkill
vague scroll
S-IVs have their own specializations too - you can have as many general assaulters as infiltrators and any other role
GEN2 has, in lore, made the S-IVs, S-IIIs, and S-IIs able to operate on an equal playing field
rigid current
yer
versed helm
The Spartans II original purpose was to take out insurrectionists
humble yacht
Spartan II program was thought up in order to hit insurrectionists so hard and so fast that it would dissuade further opposition to the UEG
they were supposed to be shock troopers
versed helm
Then war broken out and the purpose was to save humanity
dusty copper
Why is the art different in halo 4 and 5 but in infinite it looks like halo 3
Is there a lore reason?
craggy sierra
Was there a lore reason for why Zelda looked like a cartoon for a game? This stuff just happens with sequels.
dusty copper
Good point
craggy sierra
If you mean chief’s specific armour design, nanomachines in cryo for Halo 4, new set in Halo 5, and new set again in Infinite.
dusty copper
K
west silo
Well the reason for art style in universe is just different tech
cedar surge
And for forummers different builders
west silo
To be honest it always seemed weird that the forerunners that are so advanced still built stuff with bricks
jolly swift
so what IS the deal with the structures on Delta Halo?
west silo
The temple's?
jolly swift
Yeah, Cortana suggested the stone structures were built around the other ones, and made to honor them, but I'm wondering if like the Forerunner Trilogy ever gave a definitive answer of why they were there
west silo
I don't know
Maybe they were moved but there
But then again why would they do that one a halo?
vague scroll
could be populations that were temporarily based on the Halo rings
but we also have the occasional odd structure like Warlock where the Forerunners did resort to building with outdated materials and techniques, at least based on their own technology level
west silo
Wasn't there only one halo that had humans?
terse lava
I could see that, we have the example of the memorials constructed out of stone
one known one yes, but all the halos were used as preserves
whose to say another group of sapiants didn't build
west silo
What other sentient life that advanced would be on a halo
Humanity was a very special cause
And that was because the librarian basically forced them to
And then the Faber proceeded to use them as experiments
terse lava
you really think every single sentient being was stored on only the arks, with just humans alone being stored on a single halo?
terse lava
that is clearly disproven by delta halo. Either the Forerunners built the structures for sentient beings to live there, or said beings made it themselves
west silo
Isn't this discussion about how those structures got there
vague scroll
123 sapient-capable species, we know that Alpha Halo stored a strain of thanolekegolo under its surface for security purposes - it is but it does beg the question if only a human connection is the only point of thought that we could muster
west silo
So is the halo CE mutiplayer maps canon?
terse lava
I would assume they are canon with for 343 has treated canon
vague scroll
Chiron TL-34 is a can of worms I don't think anyone wants to open
terse lava
was just thinking the same thing, that and boarding action
those 2...likely exceptions
vague scroll
Chiron TL-34
yeah, that's the one me and Ado are a bit concerned about because it mentions Spartan clones
terse lava
It was likely made when Bungie was still fleshing out the lore more
terse lava
Tell me Tide, will they do their job well?
west silo
Or ignoring tfor
vague scroll
@terse lava I can neither confirm nor deny
jolly swift
Honestly it seems like they wanted Chief to be more like the security guy from Marathon
terse lava
If you want a lore reason, you could argue ONI dabbled in making clone troopers
and obviously failed
vague scroll
well that is the nature of Bungie, Marathon and Halo formed together as relative parallels
@terse lava what is important Ado, is that ONI has managed to develop functional teleportation technology that the Covenant does not have, and is currently in the testing phase given the Spartan Assault/Strike power abilities
you and your Covenant friends' days are numbered
prepare for teleporting ODSTs
cedar surge
Didn't the covenant use a teleporter tower in reach?
terse lava
Jokes on you, you can only teleport soldiers, we can teleport dropships WITH soldiers
vague scroll
I mean at the personal level @cedar surge
terse lava
and ice cream to our loyal unggoy
vague scroll
the Covenant teleportation grid on Reach was large scale
west silo
Do we have any more information on that
terse lava
on the spires?
west silo
Yes
terse lava
not off the top of my head
west silo
Its just something bungie added in
cedar surge
Spaghettify the odsts and teleport them onto covenant ships?
vague scroll
terse lava
^
cedar surge
What are you going to do when they end up in the bridge
terse lava
hm?
terse lava
only good that will do is to the eventual spartan to get infected
vague scroll
going to party on the bridge of course, maybe set it on a refueling track, probably blow up the mother ship with a big bomb
mix things up a little, who knows
cedar surge
Probably in 100 to 200 years where MJLNIOR will be standard
Gonna miss regular odsts and marines and army
terse lava
well just wait until the old Covenant empire reforms to take on the true threat to the galaxy, the Hamburglar, who is secretly another Precursor
west silo
Hmm wasn't the supercarrior cloaking itself?
terse lava
it was'
versed helm
How expensive is MJLNIOR I want to say a couple trillion or billions dollars
terse lava
wa? that was random
jolly swift
One suit costs as much as a destroyer
west silo
But halopedia article says the spire was cloaking it
vague scroll
@versed helm that's a tough question since the USD is not a currency 500 years from now
cedar surge
Crs
vague scroll
*credits
terse lava
far as I know, unless 343 said otherwise, could argue for a 1:1 exchange
jolly swift
Well uh
vague scroll
@west silo the UNSC destroyed a spire or two, revealing the ship
cedar surge
They both are the same thing
vague scroll
after the spires were destroyed the Long Night of Solace retreated to high orbit above Reach
jolly swift
A moa burger costs C7.77, convert that as you will
cedar surge
Huh
vague scroll
it's 'cR' if you want to be specific Lance
it's not really a 1:1 comparison given some of the numbers we've seen for guns and vehicles Ado
west silo
@west silo the UNSC destroyed a spire or two, revealing the ship
@vague scroll
Wouldn't that me that the spire entered atmosphere land on reach and then cloaked the 29km ship thousands of kms in space?
vague scroll
and even then, numbers for cR are thrown all over the place
west silo
All without the unsc being none the wiser
versed helm
One spire I believe
cedar surge
Wait what
vague scroll
no, after the spire was destroyed, the LNOS was revealed - it decloaked
west silo
Ahh
vague scroll
it went to orbit and stayed decloaked
cedar surge
Then how to it get past sensors
west silo
So how did it get the spires to reach?
vague scroll
because sensor arrays are not perfect Lance
west silo
Without anyone finding out
cedar surge
Reach had a big sensor network
vague scroll
the ship had been there for weeks, if not months
west silo
Bruh
west silo
It's was cloaked
vague scroll
29 km is small in comparison to space
we miss detecting asteroids bigger than that in our solar system every day
space is a big place full of junk, a 29 km ship is actually very easy to miss - even when it's right above your head
west silo
Dude the heat coming from that thing would be insane
cedar surge
Not right above our planet though right?
west silo
Dude we aren't as advanced as the unsc
terse lava
does make me wonder
vague scroll
given that there are already millions of miles between Earth and the moon alone
terse lava
how high in the atmosphere was Long Night?
west silo
Also the unsc should be aware of the covenant having cloaking tech to always be alert
vague scroll
not that high up, maybe a few dozen kilometers @terse lava
by the time of the space mission, hundreds of miles above Reach's surface
west silo
Nope
terse lava
why would they think a massive ship could do it
vague scroll
the UNSC knew about stealth tech by the Covenant, the problem is detecting it is still difficult
west silo
Halo oblivion
vague scroll
it's like in real life, just because you know the enemy has stealth doesn't mean you're going to know how to detect it 100%
terse lava
ah, true, forgot about Oblivion
west silo
The unsc encounters covenant stealth ships very early in the war
Dang oni had cloaking tech
Oni
vague scroll
yeah, ONI had stealth technology before it even encountered the Covenant
so did the Insurrectionists for that matter (see: Halo Battle Born)
vague scroll
their stealth tech uses different means @west silo
vague scroll
battle born
west silo
Oh they just stole unsc stuff
vague scroll
Covenant use active camo and apply it over their shields making them invisible to the world around them, the UNSC/Innies uses stealth plating but ONI eventually reverse engineered stealth shielding
west silo
Isn't covenant cloaking refracting light to make them invisible
vague scroll
pretty much
west silo
Have brutes ever used cloaks?
jolly swift
Stalker Brutes in the 3 games
west silo
How do they move quietly when there so big?
jolly swift
Tippy toes
vague scroll
you'd be surprised how quiet large animals can be
west silo
Yeah but I bet tigers don't weight almost a ton and are wearing bulky armor
jolly swift
Battle Cat
west silo
Then again Spartans in half ton are are described as ninjas so eh
next fox
Do the precursors fit the definition of omnipotence
humble yacht
omnipotent? no. but they were the closest to it in the halo universe
the fact that they regularly shed their physical forms to start over makes it dubious whether the forerunners were actually able to hurt/kill them
terse lava
plus the fact some of those forms were incorporal spirits
jolly furnace
Logically speaking, no being or beings could be omnipotent, only nigh-omnipotent
west silo
Yeah there less god and more godlike
versed helm
what all would classify as omnipotency?
west silo
Something that's all seeing and powerful
versed helm
the precursors were pretty omnipotent, then
but would all seeing also mean being able to look into the future?
earnest hatch
Is the created conflict a bigger threat to humanity than the human-covenant war?
humble yacht
The created threaten liberty while covenant threatened life
gilded mason
HCW was the threat of extinction, while the former is subjugation, so I guess the HCW was worse for them
humble yacht
So it depends on what you value more
Some people would rather die than be enslaved
Other prioritize survival over all else
mossy hemlock
Jacob Keyes had a sister on an outer colony called "dwarka" (in the Cole Protocol) what by chance is/was her name?
vague scroll
Unknown, she never got any more lore than just here whereabouts
terse lava
Dang, long forgot about that tidbit of lore
versed helm
who all wants to bet she's an innie
vague scroll
She’s a precursor clearly
versed helm
what if...she is dwarka
vague scroll
That’s a your sister joke I guess
“Glassed planets have bad records, yeah because of your sister...” eh doesn’t have a good ring to it shame
Forget it, I’m not good at this comedy thing
versed helm
Logically speaking, no being or beings could be omnipotent, only nigh-omnipotent
@jolly furnace true. The fact that they even have a physical form or even interact with others who have their own, implies limitation
that is true. if you manifest in a physical form, you are by default bound by rules and therefore not omnipotent
mossy hemlock
If Jacob Keyes's sister was a precursor and the precursors became the flood then that means she murdered her own brother, someone call the space police! I'd like to report a homicide.
versed helm
i bet she's an AI made from his sister's brain, before the sister died of something
valid pasture
Omnipotent = all-powerful
I’m gonna say, for something to class as omnipotent, it would have to be so powerful that nothing could stop it physically and it’s creations.
versed helm
what if it gives a sense of omnipotency
like the flood
im not saying it is omnipotent, but that it looks like it is
we can kill it
but we can never end it
it has ancient knowledge by the bucket loads
has devoured entire planet systems
and the only way to truly kill it, is to kill everything else
i wonder if the key mind planets are like the brethren moons from dead space
jolly swift
that's unstoppable, not omnipotent
stiff creek
Aren't the Brethren Moons just living planetoids basically?
valid pasture
that's unstoppable, not omnipotent
@jolly swift i’m going off of how the Christian father in trinity is presented as omnipotent. It’s shown by his ability to create whatever, do whatever. Being unstoppable is just an easier way of showing it, because...well God made stars and black holes etc. I don’t know anything that’s greater which he couldn’t adjust, also know that not even forerunners could meddle with something that powerful :/
jolly swift
you don't have to ping me, a quote will do fine. and while the Precursors may have been nigh omnipotent, by the time of the Flood, they had degraded quite a bit in terms of power
valid pasture
my bad, and yeah i agree with that. I just came in to expand on what omnipotence could be defined as
:/
humble yacht
Aren't the Brethren Moons just living planetoids basically?
Pretty much. They are giant necromorphs comprised from fused necromorph tissue and rocks
jolly swift
hehe living planet go aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh
stiff creek
Just like...
pew pew
Blow it up.
Make a planet sized Nishimura or whatever that ship was called.
humble yacht
hard to blow it up when it's driving you crazy
stiff creek
Hard to get driven crazy if you don't give a poo.
humble yacht
i don't think Dead Space had robots advanced enough to fly ships on their own
stiff creek
Just...
like...
Maybe...
make a telekinesis module powerful enough to move planets
And 3-pointer it into le sun.
hard epoch
Do you guys think there will be any more Halo games?
past mason
Yes, totally
Most likely spin-off titles, but yes there should be more even with halo Infinite the only main game for 10 years
hard epoch
thats good
because even though im not that og og to the game ive played it for a while now
and at one point it is going to suck if they just randomly shut down the halo series
past mason
I dont think they will, halo is such a huge franchise, I dont think that'll happen
There are so many people who play it
hard epoch
true that
carmine sleet
If I recall, they've said that when it comes to spin-off titles, it's a matter of when opposed to a matter of if. Plus, given that Infinite will be the last mainline title for quite some time and will likely be receiving DLC campaigns, I have a feeling we'll be seeing them experiment with spin-off games for sure over the next 10 years
versed helm
They ought to space the spin offs, tho
carmine sleet
They allow for other ways of exploring the universe that Halo could benefit from
versed helm
Shadows of reach is so amazing
wispy wasp
did the covenant ever seek help from the unsc or chief when they were being obliterated by the flood and the unsc/chief were also there?
stiff creek
Nope.
fair hazel
Remember to discuss shadows of reach discussion in. #485883236430512168
versed helm
Ik
All I said the book was amazing and that’s it keeping my lips close until everyone get a chance to read it
rocky vector
So right now I'm making a video on Halo Legends and in the first part "Origins Pt 1" we have the forerunners in this part and the floods introduction to how the forerunner's were destroyed but saved humanity and the galaxy. My question is that have we ever had an explanation of the forruners this deep and understanding to this extent in the Halo Books beforer Halo Legends came out? Like did we know who they were and why they died and have a story around them?
carmine sleet
No, the Forerunner Trilogy came after Halo Legends
rocky vector
Well Halo Legends came out in 2010 but the earliest book was Jan 4th 2011
humble yacht
We knew the forerunners died from the games
rocky vector
Yeah Halo Legends came out Feb 16th 2010
humble yacht
the Halo 3 terminals were the most in-depth look into the forerunners we had before Legends
rocky vector
Ok gotcha. So we only knew a bit of them but never really got their backstory till Halo legends?
humble yacht
pretty much
versed helm
when did the forerunner trilogy come out?
rocky vector
Thats funny lol
vague scroll
"I have questions."
"We have a Halopedia."
jolly furnace
Forerunner Saga came out during 2011, 2012, 2013
slim thorn
the Halo 3 terminals were the most in-depth look into the forerunners we had before Legends
Sadly no cutscenes for it. It will be much more understandable if it was visualized like at Halo 4
jolly furnace
I hope we get to see Forerunnners donning Origins armor and using that claw pistol weapon
and some of the other Forerunner stuff in it
like that giant sentinel that levels a city in 1 shot
and some of those Flood forms
even though the visuals were of dubious canon
west silo
The weirdest thing in orgins for me is that the forerunners would only send 5 guys to fight an entire city
jolly furnace
Again dubious visuals
Unlikely to occur
Also those warriors were shown with no shielding
Loved the armor design though
west silo
Loved the link gun
jolly furnace
Yah
west silo
But single it looks useless
rocky vector
Yeah as I'm discussing in my video it seems like they just used a bunch of concept art and then added animation to them and no other thought process was considered for it
west silo
Like a forerunner plasma rifle
rocky vector
Great concept art and designs but in animation to me it doesnt work very well
west silo
The animation was alright
rocky vector
It was passible but it could of been so much better
west silo
Different studios did different animations I guess
The duel is one of my favorites
But the animation killed my eyes
rocky vector
They did and I know that and maybe it was an artisic choice for that kind of animation and scene but again their are certain things that you do in animation that dont really aply here and could of been much better
Im going over each part and giving my thought over the type of animations and story and seeing how I like it and what could be improved on it
jolly furnace
I remember when Halo MMO had Forerunner guns that basically looked like more sci-fi versions of humans weapons I think
Like Assultt rifle
Or more angular Covie lookin weapons
I think
west silo
Ttian
Man I actually wish something like that came out
Just less anime
And people that look like represent the elements
jolly furnace
I imagine it wouldn't resemble the stylized artwork for it if it had been finished
west silo
Wasn't it canceled because no one liked the art style they were using?
cedar surge
Prototype is my favorite of origins
And that sounds right
Now that I think about it in origins wasn't there a large unsc fleet hanging over a forerunner structure?
Was that depicting 3?
west silo
You sure that wasn't orgins II?
west silo
That's is also my favorite
ocean ibex
That frame of chief looking at the armata of unsc and convenient ships going towards the flood is still my pc wallpaper
west silo
The ending with everyone fighting against each and then joining forces to defeat the flood is just glorious
west silo
No on the ark
versed helm
it started on new mombasa, which got glassed, then everyone went to the ark
NM got glassed cause of the flood,
west silo
Wasn't that voi?
terse lava
That is one thing I find funny about that scene. Hood is know for hyperbole with his "glass half a continent" but I like how Rtas never corrects him
terse lava
Yeah, also what did I say that sounded like sarcasm?
jolly furnace
Rtas has been hunting SAN sHYUUM i think
terse lava
yes, he was sent to look for their exile fleet, to bring to justice those who actually did horrible deeds in the great schism
west silo
So the guys from broken circle?
terse lava
no
The majority of San 'Shyuum who managed to survive the Fall of High Charity, along with those who were governors of various worlds joined into an exile fleet
ocean ibex
Why do we never see any warrior San shyuum, aren’t they superior warriors to Sangheli
west silo
We saw one in the books
ocean ibex
I meant the games
west silo
No clue why they never appeared in game
ocean ibex
It would’ve been beneficial considering most of their warriors are like jacked up zealots
west silo
One likely reason is that most of them died helping evacuating civilians on high charity in 3
And high charity was the only place they were made
So there might be very few of them and what little left are pretty with the exile fleet
And none of them would join juls covenant or the SOS
vague scroll
firstly, because San'shyuum warriors were not conceptualized until the release of the book Halo: Broken Circle
second, the Prophets are a rare enemy type and very few are in existence according to the lore
third, Broken Circle introduces us to what is believed to be the last San'Shyuum prelate kind of defeating the purpose of them ever appearing again after
jolly furnace
I imagine their will be more
vague scroll
fourth, developing a radically different alien class for the Covenant takes a lot of work and experimentation - it's unlikely to be worth the development costs
jolly furnace
Or they show up in prequels
vague scroll
they've so far not appeared in any other books
Prelates are fundamentally described as San'Shyuum supersoldiers, comparable to Spartans and created through genetic manipulations
their numbers were always going to be limited
jolly furnace
Indeed
west silo
There only real downside is that there if they push themselves too hard they have a heart attack
jolly furnace
and San Shyuum had limited healthy numbers i think
west silo
And short breath
Is the reason preleats such severe have health problems because there San shyuum?
terse lava
Ok just a quick thing here, Broken Circle did not introduce the idea of the san shyuum super soldier Prelates. That was Shadow of Intent. 2nd, unlike Sangheili or spartans, Prelates can only do their feats for a short amount of time
jolly furnace
San Shyuum gradually degraded physically and genetically due to inbreeding
and possible Forerunner genetic manipulation
west silo
Weren't prelates first introduced in a halo 2 map?
jolly furnace
mentioned yes
vague scroll
sorry, my bad Ado - got the two mixed up... @terse lava
terse lava
it's fine, just wanted to point it out
vague scroll
glad you got my back in my lore mistakes
jolly furnace
I wonder if Precursors could switch between physical and incorporeal forms on a whim or do they have to die first to then go incorporeal again.
west silo
Probably died since the primordial could just escape any time he wanted then
flat bone
the zero gravity belt is because their homeworld had low gravity correct?
ocean ibex
Does anyone know where the primordial is
flat bone
dead
ocean ibex
Doubt it
west silo
Its all the graveminds
flat bone
yeah
because they put it in a reverse stasis chamber
and made it go through billions of years in mere seconds
west silo
He got thanos'd
ocean ibex
What about the precursors that placed them selves in stasis, are they dead or are they still frozen
flat bone
idk
some are probably alive
others are probably dead
the primordial was in stasis i think, but then they released it from stasis and imprisoned it
then they put it in reverse stasis and killed it
which made the flood smarter
stable flower
Does the SOF crew even remember the events on the Etran Harborage?
terse lava
Yeah that's a rather odd question
west silo
It's not like they would forget
stable flower
They don't seem too surprised when they're on the Ark. They don't say "This looks like the same technology we saw on that planet."
west silo
In-game dialogue has the talking about it
ocean ibex
The ark looks nothing like the shield world
west silo
It's looks more like a plant world
stable flower
But it has similar technology.
In-game dialogue has the talking about it
@west silo I think that's about the Banished technology hooked up to the teleporters in The Signal.
stable flower
Oh
stable flower
Not sure why it's "odd" that I pay attention to detail.
west silo
It's Just odd to think they would somehow forgot the events of the first game
Am pretty sure cryo sleep doesn't cause memory loss
jolly furnace
Ok Primordial still lives and will always live on in the physical universe as long as the Flood does as it is apart of the Flood Hive Mind.
Precursors - some may still be in stasis alive or dead.
Others maybe in other galaxies
Or if Warfleet/Mythos is correct, any remaining non-Flood Precursors have since sunk into unreachable depths perhaps Unreality or metaphorically become obsessed with vengeance and our just observing their Flood kin's rampages.
jolly furnace
They may already be that
They may have always be like unto that
They are full blown Eldritch Abominations per Silentium
and Mythos and Warfleet appear to reinforce that
west silo
They were more like the xel Naga from starcraft
jolly furnace
never played it
west silo
A species of unknown orgins that seed life into other galaxies
jolly furnace
Eldritch Abominations in that they are old as heck, their motives and thoughts processes alien as heck
and they can take any form they want
west silo
Starcraft?
jolly furnace
Hmm
terse lava
I wouldn't call their thoughts alien to us. They act like whiny children and throw a fit when the forerunners didnt want to be erased
west silo
Actually they kinda let themselves be killed
They only got upset when there remains got corrupted
And remember they never fought against the forerunners when they attacked because the were fascinated by them banding together to destroy there creators and they reveled in it
terse lava
Point is they acted like children. It could have been written in a way that the whole flood revenge was to show thr Forerunners why they couldn't hold the mantle. Instead it becomes a "you destroyed us, now all life must suffer forever and ever"
west silo
Technically that was the primordial who was in command of the flood
slow igloo
cosmic kite
I gotta wonder how many worlds in halo Universe are rip for picking aka having whole planet to yourself without Flood or Convenant or other people on it.
stable flower
I'd ask why Alice has the M247H in HW2 but I'm afraid that'd be considered odd too. 
jolly furnace
I mean they are as inscrutable as beings as old as them would be to us
They think on a scale beyond our grasp
and in ways we have no analogs for
and some of their actions and intentions alleged or otherwise don't match up with what we know of and have seen of them
thus don't seem to make sense to us
So yes their thought processes are alien to us in that regard
I'm not gonna let someone kill me in the first place just to experience death or the violence that person is capable regardless of whether I could come back or not.
And given what their tech can do, I see no other way the Forerunners could have wiped out the Precursors other then the latter letting the former kill them
Also them letting them kill them just to experience death and violence doesn't seem to make sense either given the Precursors surely did that to themselves in their many incarnations throughout time and experienced the same from other creations of theirs
Point is, their actions (some of them anyway) when combined with intentions (supposed by some) don't make logical sense
I blame the contradictory info we have on Precursors from various sources
All of whom have reason to lie
and some probably are to an extent
west silo
I think it was the fact an entire species bonded together to exterminate there own creators
You certainly don't see that every day
Am pretty sure when the precursors killed the previous species they were the first to attack
But this time it was the forerunners attacking before the precursors had even lifted there hands
jolly furnace
I don't think all Forerunners actually knew of the genocide against the Precursors back when they were actually doing it. I think Mythos suggests only the council, Builders and Warriors specifically knew of the planned genocide. Heck the fact that the Forerunners sent to Path Kethona never returned after finishing the extermination and that it was covered up in the first place indicates the Forerunners as a whole were not united in the genocide of the Precursors.
But yes I do think the Precursors attacked first (IF) they exterminated prior creations
But I mean I've sure the Precursors fought and experienced violence among themselves (in fact they had to have) in previous incarnations when they were locked to planets or spacefaring for billions of years of history.
So the theory by some of them never knowing violence prior to the Forerunner uprising holds no weight to it
west silo
Is there anything to indicate the precursors fought among themselves?
The only thing I can think of is the primordial and we only know the precursors probably sealed him
jolly furnace
If ur a race that lives primitively on planets and spacefaring and die off and reincarnate over and over and existed in every known social and technological state for billions of years, you ARE going to go to war among your own species at least once.
ocean ibex
Primordial is the only precursor we know of
west silo
So the theory by some of them never knowing violence prior to the Forerunner uprising holds no weight to it
@jolly furnace
Its not that they didn't know violence its that an entire species would join together to annihilate there own creators
But did they?
jolly furnace
Except that species (the Forerunners) didn't. Not all of them knew at the time
jolly furnace
And I don't think the Forerunners would be the 1st to do so
Just the only ones to succeed
I don't take Primy at his word
Not entirely
west silo
He had bad intentions for everyone
Wasn't the primordial a gravemind tho?
As in the bornsteller says he starts to see the other species assimilated into it
So was it the first flood gravemind or was it turning itself into a gravemind
jolly furnace
Primy was originally just a Precursor
He/she/it was mutated to survive a long time
and then he died
and then transferred his mind into the FLood hive mind
using unknown means
It and the all Graveminds from that point on are now one entity
jolly furnace
It was in stasis for 9 million years prior to being found
west silo
Or is it because of the body it was in?
jolly furnace
It survived a billion years in a reverse time lock prison on Zeta Halo
west silo
For like 20 seconds
jolly furnace
Granted we dunno if those billion years are in Earth years or some other planet's years
Yah a billion years inside the cage. A few seconds outside
Time is relative
to the perosn
west silo
That was the forerunner time chamber right?
jolly furnace
Yah
Second outside pass
billion years inside
when its active
Primy literally sat there and waited to die
west silo
Man that place better be a mutiplayer map in infinite
Man halo zeta halo has some great places that would make some neat maps
jolly furnace
I hope so
I'm hopin to see it in campaign
We got 10 years so we better
I wanna see that cage
I wanna see the arena on Charum Hakkor were it was imprisoned beneath it by humans too
Frankie hinted we get that one at one point
west silo
Didn't Frankie hint one time we would get a promethean centric book
A neat gameplay thing that could be added with the time chamber is that if your in it at the wrong time you'll just instantly die
Imagine luring enemies in there and just watching them turn to dust
west silo
What happened to riser?
jolly furnace
He dead by now
jolly furnace
He went back to Earth after Array fired
Live out his life on Hawaii
Or near there
west silo
At least someone got a happy ending
west silo
Doesn't that mean there are humans that can live past 200 years in halo naturally?
jolly furnace
ILB?
jolly furnace
Oh its only semi canon so far
343i hasn't gone out and said if its fully canon or not
west silo
Well 343 references it as canon
jolly furnace
Halo's timeline has stuff in it from our era that don't exist in RL
Yes but its not entirely canon so far
jolly furnace
As for humans, human evolution as it pertains to RL went out window in Forerunner Saga
Who's Nicole?
west silo
Time travelling Spartan
jolly furnace
It just means my favorite ladies of DOA existed in Halo verse
west silo
Which was actually done way earlier weirdly
west silo
Never really played DOA
jolly furnace
so relax there
I only played it a little
But I know of it
Tekken was my fighting game
jolly furnace
Yah thats an odd instance
west silo
Crystal of power!!!!
jolly furnace
but that was resolved i think
And only done by that crystal
and we know forerunners had a certain mastery of temporal mechanics
west silo
They just travelled a 2 week earlier
jolly furnace
Yah
west silo
And it was an accident
west silo
But then again the crystal was aware
Everything was destined to happen
The crystal warped time so that John would rescue it
And they said the precursors were weird
jolly furnace
Precursors were weird
weirder
The crystal may not even be made by Forerunners
Or was made by ancient forerunners
jolly furnace
Yes but slipspace crystals workings and composition were said in mythos or warfleet to be beyond foreunner comprehension
west silo
So definitely mysterious
west silo
But there were also enough of them to go inside every forerunner ship
They had to be able to replicate it some how
And remember the forerunners created the composer which uses neural physics and even they don't understand it
jolly furnace
They broke pieces off of a larger mother crystal
This mother crystal can't be neural physics-made or it wouldn't be possible to break or cut pieces from it
west silo
Hmm very interesting
jolly furnace
Composers seem to use Neural Physics in its energy form
Neural physics physical constructs are invulnurable to anything bar neural physics or Halo pulse
So the Forerunners wouldn't be able to cut something of that nature prior to those Halos being made
I don't see Forerunners constructing a crystal made of Neural Physics
Structures made of Neural Physics matter are thought into existence
literally
or converted from existing matter into being
with thought
Forerunners ain't doing that
jolly furnace
Yah
How the Halos use Nueral Physics I don't know
Also Halo pulses aren't garanteed to destroy Precursor stuff
but will at least damage it
west silo
Man this just makes me wonder how did they find the crystals
Especially when there FTL is attributed to there mastery of slipspace
jolly furnace
Well they had slipspace prior to those crystals
Like humans and Covies
So they stumble on the planet the mother crystal is one
study it
learn they are great for slipspace drives
and use them since
west silo
Talk about luck!
But how does that explains sentient crystals
Or at least the fact that there somewhat aware
west silo
First strike
In the book halsey talks about how the crystal must have manipulated events so that the masterchief would come to reach to rescue it from the covenant
It's when halsey asks cortana what she think the crystal did
And started explaining how they had time travelled
jolly furnace
Oh
No idea
Sci-fi does have a trope of sentient living crystals
So could be case here
I mean we got plant mounts in Broken circle and demonic Ents in Hunters of the Dark so why not
and Lovecraftian horrors and space magic
so
...
whatever
west silo
Demonic ents?
west silo
Cool
jolly furnace
Yah a character referenced the LOTR books
as old books with talking living trees
from ancient times
Yah Broken circle has plant mounts
created by san shyuum
some bio tech they got there
west silo
So the San shyuum were advanced enough to create living trees
Wow
This before there encounter with the covenant?
jolly furnace
No
this was a faction that stayed on their homeworld
Stoic warriors used folasteed mounts in battle. These mounts were essentially the forest itself creating riding mounts from itself for the soldiers, as if the riders were sliding along the forest's vegetation. Additionally, the vines of the forests had been genetically modified to manipulate objects or even tear apart a living being. The plants were controlled by the riders, but had the ability to feel threatened and could attack if they deemed it necessary.[9]
west silo
Remember that time we got telepathic clones
west silo
Oh yes we did
Halo legends baby!!!
The daisy episode
He clone said she had dreams of her being a Spartan
jolly furnace
Oh
Yah that's strang
Hmm
A carnivorous plant was encountered by the joint UNSC–Swords of Sanghelios task force during the Mission to Installation 00.[1] The plant uses its roots to ensnare its prey, cutting these roots causes the plant pain. It resembled an oak tree but was much larger, had a vast array of branches, and had streaks of purple on its bark.[2] On one side of the plant was a cluster of black and red eyelike protrusions.[3] These plants have a black ooze for blood.[4]
Also this