#lore-and-universe | Halo | Page 425

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 7:09 PM

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the more i hear about Greg Bear's trilogy, the less sense it makes

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 7:10 PM

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As I said it just implied

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Then again what happened to all the logic plague infected ais during the war?

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I doubt there were enough forerunners left after the halos firing to stop the ships still piloted by ais

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And there were probably a lot of ais on the floods side thanks to the logic plague

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 7:22 PM

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The Monitors of the Installations were not killed by the Halos, so that right there suggests that AI (or rather, non-biological intelligences) were immune

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and before you say "well they were special because they were forerunner", the forerunners themselves died from the Halos

midnight loom Oct 16, 2020, 7:24 PM

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??

fair hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:24 PM

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probably should read them to really get it though

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 7:24 PM

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no thanks

fair hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:24 PM

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i dont think the AIs were affected

zinc sonnet Oct 16, 2020, 7:26 PM

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theres a reason why the Created would wanna fire off dem rings

ocean ibex Oct 16, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Does the logic plague work on digitized entities/Promethean knights

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 7:28 PM

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there are conflicting reports

fair hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:28 PM

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who says they do?

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the way promethean knights are set up, it's probably inneficient

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 7:28 PM

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on one hand, Didact probably wouldn't have put so much stake in Promethean Knights if they were easily subverted

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you also have the case of Offensive Bias who met with Mendicant Bias and did not contract the plague (and MB later went on to say that OB lacked the capability to choose the flood)

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on the other hand, you've got greg bear writing about infected sentinels

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so it's not very clear where the limits of the plague are
(which is why i find it such a loathsome plot device)

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Well the didact was corrupted by the gravemind

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Plus he was bonkers so I wouldn't put much faith in his idea

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 7:37 PM

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he was insane but not stupid

dusty prawn Oct 16, 2020, 7:38 PM

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@humble yacht I'd recommend reading them. They are really good and not as crazy as people make them out to be. There's a lot people read between the lines about and they are frequently mislead by things they think they read that they are misinterpreting. The only "logic plague" style thing was the primordial itself talking to Medicant Bias for a SUPER long time and over time convincing him to join his righteous cause. And considering who's doing the convincing it's really not as crazy as "infected sentinels" or anything crazy like that.

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 7:40 PM

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the trilogy describes the logic plague becoming so advanced in the latter stages of the war that it could be passed from AI to AI just by contact

dusty prawn Oct 16, 2020, 7:40 PM

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I"m actually due for a full reread of silentium I think.

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 7:40 PM

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no longer needing direct contact with the Gravemind itself to induce the plague

dusty prawn Oct 16, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Oh yeah forgot about that, let me look

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"The logic plague is now pandemic. It is no longer limited to direct Gravemind communication, but can be passed through interactions with any Flood-infected individuals, or even ancillas."

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pretty OP

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There is peace in subjugation...

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After that Catalog was logic plagued they suspended that Juradical network. I don't remember that part but it's there.

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Late war

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 7:46 PM

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To be fair that happens in the last book which is basically hammering the point that all hope is lost

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The only real bs in it is the precursor stuff and those disappear as fast as they appeared

dusty prawn Oct 16, 2020, 7:59 PM

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I’d consider the logic plague on the level of precursor stuff. In fact the neural physics and other mysticsm is the less weird part for me. But yeah the trilogy was a great read

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Well I keep it separate because the logic plague did exist long before the trilogy

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:08 PM

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no it didn't

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the first mention of the logic plague was the forerunner trilogy

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:13 PM

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It was given the name logic plague in the forerunner trilogy yes

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But the whole ai corruption thing first appeared in human weakness

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The trilogy just expanded on it

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Just like it did with the precursors

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Who first appeared in the book with halo 3

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:15 PM

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the way the GM tried to corrupt Cortana differed from how it corrupted MB

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there was very little logic in that exchange, it was mostly torture

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Well it was suffocating her with information

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Or was it taking it from her?

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:17 PM

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it wanted info from her

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she resisted for as long as she could, but eventually acquiesced

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in order to cause her pain, it flooded her with data comprising the painful memories of people it absorbed

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:18 PM

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The point is they looked at the human weakness and just decided to expand on it

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:18 PM

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and I don't like how they expanded on it

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turning it into a loosely defined ability that basically servers to absolve responsibility for those under its effects

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it was much more compelling when MB chose to side with the Flood on his own and then later realized the error of his ways

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Mendicant did choose to betray the forerunners

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:22 PM

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logic plague removes choice from the matter

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you don't choose to be infected

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:23 PM

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The gravemind in human weakness said he chose to join the flood

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:23 PM

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at that point it turned into the illusion of choice

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:23 PM

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If they save him

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:23 PM

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human weakness predates the logic plague

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at that point, the working theory was that the GM convinced MB to join the flood through a long, carefully constructed and compelling argument

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greg bear probably coined the term "logic" plague because of the H3 terminal discussions and how, in that instance, logic was used to convince MB

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had he had used Human Weakness as the inspiration, it probably would have been called torture plague or something

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Nah

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The gravemind flooded cortana with information to torture her

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So logic plague would still be alright

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:26 PM

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and the type of data the GM used on Cortana wasn't based on logic

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Plus torture plague sounds too stupid

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:27 PM

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it was memories and other things simply designed to accelerate her matrix's decay into rampancy

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:30 PM

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―Other construct minds like yours have been consumed," said the Gravemind. "―Although one embraced us willingly on his deathbed, the moment when most sentient life discovers it would do anything to evade the inevitable."

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I don't know it's seems like. Mendicant just joined the flood when he could have just died

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:32 PM

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that doesn't mesh with the H3 terminals or the forerunner trilogy, for that matter

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MB was never in danger during that exchange

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he had the upper hand

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the Gravemind even complimented MB on his effective immortality

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Well don't really know anything about the conversation other than they had a talk for 43 years

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And that the primordial could make people commit suicide

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:33 PM

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the terminals literally transcribe the beginning and end of the exchange

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MB did not sound fearful of death or in pain at all when he finally chose to side with the flood

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:35 PM

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Well technically human weakness retconed that then

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Plus some small things in the terminals has been changed

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:36 PM

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human weakness doesn't name MB so it may not be MB referred to in that line

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besides, if Human Weakness retconned the terminal then greg bear retconned human weakness

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Come on

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:37 PM

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because in the trilogy we went back to MB interrogating an imprisoned entity and was in no danger of dying

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:38 PM

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He's the only know ai to defect to the flood

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:38 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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greg bear added more

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who's to say Human Weakness's author didn't

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:39 PM

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It's obviously referring to him

obsidian thistle Oct 16, 2020, 8:39 PM

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The terminals were put as suspect in the Forerunner Trilogy anyhow.

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:39 PM

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then HW's author didn't do his research very well postums

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Who else are the lore fans supposed to think of

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:40 PM

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well when you have conflicting sources all you can do is pick your favorite and stick to it

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i prefer the terminals

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i don't like greg bear's trilogy

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Ok that's fair

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So in the terminal when the librarian meets the humans on earth

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That's been retconed right?

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:42 PM

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not necessarily

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she died on earth according to greg bear too

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Because she acts like they've just been discovered

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Well yeah in the trilogy she put them there

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:42 PM

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well you can take it as her meeting that particular batch of humans for the first time

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but w/e, another reason for me to not like bear's work

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Am pretty she was even the one who put the didacts cryptum on earth

dusty prawn Oct 16, 2020, 8:50 PM

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I take a lot of the halo 3 terminals and dialogue as-is and just enjoy it. Rationalizing it and organizing it to make perfect sense sounds like too much work (like how 343 merged fall of reach and halo reach to both be canon, glad they did but lots of work.) Guilty’a last line in Halo 3 is a good example of things to just let go and let ride.

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They are all correct and all canon, of course. Also I love the end of silentium and the last terminal in Halo 3. Great writing.

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Same with his dialogue in CE

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I put it as spark being crazy

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 8:55 PM

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that's certainly a better option than Chief being the reincarnation of IsoDidact

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smh

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Quick question

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Did the terminals come with the games originality?or were they added

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By 343

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 9:01 PM

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H3 terminals came with H3

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the games to get terminals added were CEA and H2A

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 9:02 PM

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Oh okay

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 9:02 PM

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(since the originals didn't have terminals)

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 9:03 PM

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Because terminal with spark ejecting apart of the ring because he was bored kinda show he could have stopped the flood spread whenever he wanted

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But him preferring to nuke everyone just shows he's a little off his rocker

craggy sierra Oct 16, 2020, 9:14 PM

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While I agree he was off his rocker, I also doubt the land ejection is all that effective.

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I doubt it ejected actual structures along with it which the flood would probably be mostly setup inside of

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Well it the ejects the entire land

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HW2 shows how deep it is

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And it's pretty deep

craggy sierra Oct 16, 2020, 9:17 PM

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But still though, it’s not going to eject structures like the library or silent cartographer chambers and what not.

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 9:18 PM

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well

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it could

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Static Carillion ejected Gamma Halo's control room

craggy sierra Oct 16, 2020, 9:19 PM

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That’d be dumb and I don’t see that being approved by the strict protocols that Spark gets held to.

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 9:19 PM

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which is like the most important room on the whole ring

craggy sierra Oct 16, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Especially since isn’t it stated in protocol they have to always be ready to fire on a moments notice?

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Jettisoning your control room and activation codes into space seems like a bit of a contradiction.

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Well, Static was the monitor of the forge, not the Halo, so maybe he wasn't as gungho about firing the ring as other monitors

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the actual monitor of gamma halo is MIA

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but it's still weird because Static willingly allowed Chief to help him damage his own installation

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Well I don't think the flood ever took control of the control room

humble yacht Oct 16, 2020, 9:22 PM

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without the control room, the ring can't fire if the flood do come back

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not until the control room is repaired, at least

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 9:23 PM

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And wasn't the flood released for like an entire day before chief went to the library

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So spark had an entire day to stop the flood and didn't really do anything

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Besides go on a human fetch quest

cedar surge Oct 16, 2020, 10:04 PM

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So when a ring gets damaged enough to be replaced and a new ring comes what happens to the old one

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Does the setinals take it back to the ark to be used as spare parts?

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 10:06 PM

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If it can be used for spare parts probably means it's wasn't damaged enough for there to be construction of a new one

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I think the ark only creates one if the ring is destroyed
If the ring is still mostly intact they just repair it like zeta or gamma

terse lava Oct 16, 2020, 10:23 PM

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yeah, though one would think sentinels would go through the halo portal first, to clean up the original's debries field

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Looks at nightfall

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Nah its all good

versed helm Oct 16, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Not going to lie, I wouldn't be surprised if ONI was using Forerunner technology long before the rest of humanity even knew who the Forerunners were

wispy wasp Oct 16, 2020, 11:20 PM

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ONI could have a living precursor trapped in some super secret bunker and it wouldn't be all that suprising

ocean ibex Oct 16, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Lul, i doubt humans have the power to contain a precursor

jolly furnace Oct 16, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Yeah.... simple as that......

ocean ibex Oct 16, 2020, 11:27 PM

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I doubt oni knows what neural physics are

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Well a forerunner ship was reach

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They might do

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Depends on if the oni guys in silentium died

ocean ibex Oct 16, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Knowing it and how to use it are completely different things

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 11:29 PM

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You just said id they knew about it

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There's no way oni would be able to even hope to use neural physics

jolly furnace Oct 16, 2020, 11:38 PM

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They have the FS stuff, they know of it. They can never use it though

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Its beyond mortals

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Well it think cortana can use it

jolly furnace Oct 16, 2020, 11:44 PM

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nope

terse lava Oct 16, 2020, 11:44 PM

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humanity in the current era doesn't have even a glimmer of hope of figuring out neural physcis

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Cortana can't use it either

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 11:44 PM

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In 5 she dust blue teams weapons the same way abbadon did to the forerunners

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She's even connected to the domain

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Either that or she gained some super forerunner upgrade we never heard of

terse lava Oct 16, 2020, 11:46 PM

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Forerunner technology can easily do that

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Look at all the times the hardlight weapons vaporize flesh, bone, and armor

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 11:49 PM

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But she didn't shoot anything

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Just looked at them and gone

versed helm Oct 16, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Anyone wish that there was some concept art of the various animals that live on Sanghelios?

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 11:54 PM

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I wish there more information on the covenant species in general

versed helm Oct 16, 2020, 11:55 PM

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True, especially what they would call themselves in their own native languages

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Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most of the names for the various Covenant races Sangheili in origin?

gilded mason Oct 16, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Yeh

west silo Oct 16, 2020, 11:59 PM

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So do bansee and ghost actually exist in elite culture

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And monsters like vampires

terse lava Oct 17, 2020, 12:10 AM

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they had mythic creatures slain by their version of Hercules

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and have a concept of a demons, so quite likely yeah

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 12:11 AM

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Wait there's a sangheli Hercules?

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Please tell me there's also a kratos

terse lava Oct 17, 2020, 12:14 AM

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nope, no Kratos

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as for the other, https://www.halopedia.org/Ballad_of_Kel_'Darsam

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Wow that was really good

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I like how they made there own sangheli twist to it

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Especially with him riding a sea creature showing how elites had conquered sanghelios oceans

terse lava Oct 17, 2020, 12:42 AM

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indeed

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 12:44 AM

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If only we could learn more about the lekgolo

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Most underused species in halo if you ask me

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And it sad because there one of the most unique species ever

terse lava Oct 17, 2020, 1:01 AM

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agreed, we only know a handful of their forms, next to nothing on their culture, and truly are the most unique next to the precursors

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 1:02 AM

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They did achieve space travel right?

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Before the covenant found them

terse lava Oct 17, 2020, 1:10 AM

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think it's only mentioned they were at tier 3 so...they had something at least some type of craft

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and well, got to the foreunner oribital at some point to eat it

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 1:13 AM

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Imagine getting forerunner tech in your hands

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Only to start eating it

ocean ibex Oct 17, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Wait so worms got to interstellar travel before humans? That’s mega sad

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Basically hunters would’ve decimated any species they came across if they hadn’t ate it

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Boi a bunch of lizards were cruising across the stars before they decided to play space crusaders

waxen urchin Oct 17, 2020, 1:43 AM

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and now Cortana is space hitler

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I always feel bad killing the Grunts, it wasn't their choice to join the Covenant

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Can someone tell me what happened to Lord Hood after Halo 3?

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 1:45 AM

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Well that's the same for the drones and hunters

ocean ibex Oct 17, 2020, 1:45 AM

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Ofc, they’re like intelligent soccer balls

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 1:46 AM

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He's hiding on a vacation planet

waxen urchin Oct 17, 2020, 1:46 AM

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cannon fodder

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poor grunts

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He knows Master Chief is alive right?

ocean ibex Oct 17, 2020, 1:50 AM

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Probably

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He knows deep down that chief didn’t do any of the acts oni claims he did

waxen urchin Oct 17, 2020, 1:54 AM

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I remember someone said on reddit that Hood got rid of Del Rio and tried to promote chief or something, but he refused

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is that true or nah

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unfriggenbelievable

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 2:02 AM

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Well del rio is actually a politician now

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And hood did consider making chief an admiral but it came off as more of a joke

cedar surge Oct 17, 2020, 2:05 AM

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117 hood got nearly killed and in a wheelchair before running with the head if ONI and a Spartan IV along with every smart AI at high com with BB to a unknown planet to cortana

wispy wasp Oct 17, 2020, 4:41 AM

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is there anything of importance on the side/back of a halo ring, also how is a ring maintained after it's monitor gets destroyed?

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Well the ring has basic self maintenance systems

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It can take care of it self

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On the subject of important stuff on the back of the ring
Maybe weapons?

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Those big holes look like guns

wispy wasp Oct 17, 2020, 4:43 AM

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oh, i guess that makes sense

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they look more like thrusters

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Could be that too

wispy wasp Oct 17, 2020, 4:45 AM

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also why would a halo ring need guns on the side of it if they have a whole army of sentinels?

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Weapons guns are faster

wispy wasp Oct 17, 2020, 4:45 AM

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and also probably promethian knights defending them (at the time)

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 4:46 AM

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And 343 mentions them in the terminal

barren pike Oct 17, 2020, 4:48 AM

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who needs guns when you can demolish everything with sentinels like isabel in hw2

stable flower Oct 17, 2020, 4:58 AM

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also why would a halo ring need guns on the side of it if they have a whole army of sentinels?
@wispy wasp Well, it is a defense platform, and it needs static automated turrets.

wispy wasp Oct 17, 2020, 5:10 AM

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they look a lot more like thrusters unless they were some kind of giant plasma cannon

terse lava Oct 17, 2020, 5:25 AM

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https://www.halopedia.org/Confidence-class_weapon_array that's what they are

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 5:27 AM

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So they are guns

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Knew it

terse lava Oct 17, 2020, 5:52 AM

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kinda

versed helm Oct 17, 2020, 6:38 AM

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So basically Lord Hood is bumming it out with Serin Osman, that one Spartan IV, and every AI from HIGHCOM on Rossbach's World and if I recall correctly, he's drinking himself away

gilded mason Oct 17, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Yeh

versed helm Oct 17, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Shame, Hood was an interesting character to say the least

terse lava Oct 17, 2020, 6:39 AM

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would say he was likeble and annoying at the same time

craggy sierra Oct 17, 2020, 6:40 AM

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I don’t know if interesting was a word I would’ve used for him at any point

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He was kinda just military commander dude.

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He sits out over half of both the games he’s in

terse lava Oct 17, 2020, 6:41 AM

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and has a habit of hyperbole

versed helm Oct 17, 2020, 6:42 AM

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Like that time where he said that the Fleet of Retribution glassed half of Africa even though it was just Voi and its surrounding areas

hallow peak Oct 17, 2020, 6:45 AM

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Hi, I'm quite new to halo lore so I have a question. Can the banshee vehicle use for flying in space as well instead of only on surface?

versed helm Oct 17, 2020, 6:45 AM

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How old was Lord Hood by the time of Halo 2 and 3?

gilded mason Oct 17, 2020, 6:45 AM

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There are fully-sealed space versions, yeah.

versed helm Oct 17, 2020, 6:46 AM

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So if you were a civilian in New Mombasa during the opening stages of the Battle of Earth, what would you do?
And I want a serious answer

hallow peak Oct 17, 2020, 6:46 AM

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Ah, nice

gilded mason Oct 17, 2020, 6:47 AM

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I guess see about going to designated evacuation locations

hallow peak Oct 17, 2020, 6:47 AM

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So if you were a civilian in New Mombasa during the opening stages of the Battle of Earth, what would you do?
And I want a serious answer
@versed helm What else can I do beside hide somewhere?

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I'm a normal civilian with no combat experience so I would hide

versed helm Oct 17, 2020, 6:47 AM

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Either stay behind and die or get the yoink out of the city

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As for me, I would probably jack someone's Genet car and get out of New Mombasa on my own

hallow peak Oct 17, 2020, 6:51 AM

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Sewer might be a good place to hide

versed helm Oct 17, 2020, 6:52 AM

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Gross

terse lava Oct 17, 2020, 6:58 AM

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attempt to leave

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Wouldn't there be drone nest down there

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And I think all the ways out of the city were shutdown after a few hours

hallow peak Oct 17, 2020, 9:17 AM

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Well, it is indeed gross. But which option is better, smell gross stuff for a few hours or get killed by an elite?

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For me, I would rather get killed by an elite

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Unless the 26th century's sewer is better than the 21st one

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But well, sewer is a sewer afterall

versed helm Oct 17, 2020, 9:50 AM

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hmmm

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look

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i would prefer the elite

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no wait

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the smell

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because if i can smell it, then it probably means i got quite a bit on me too

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and if thats true, i can overpower enemies with pure stench

stiff creek Oct 17, 2020, 2:07 PM

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I'd assume Elites have a better sense of smell than humans as well.

flat bone Oct 17, 2020, 2:21 PM

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i dont remember them having noses in cutscenes

stiff creek Oct 17, 2020, 2:22 PM

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They aren't too noticeable.

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And Rtas could smell the Flood on the Threshold gas mine.

versed helm Oct 17, 2020, 3:12 PM

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My friend:
You can't think of a valiant hero on one word!

Me:
Keyes

terse lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Thel

cedar surge Oct 17, 2020, 3:19 PM

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There was probably people who think the covenant were a hoax right up to the battle of earth

stiff creek Oct 17, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Pretty sure that's talked about.

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 6:23 PM

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There were people who thought the unsc were the ones who started the war with a peaceful alien empire

cinder sluice Oct 17, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Yes

gilded mason Oct 17, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Not too out-there of a theory for somebody to think if they didn't know much about the circumstances.

cinder sluice Oct 17, 2020, 7:01 PM

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And?

gilded mason Oct 17, 2020, 7:02 PM

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And what?

dusty prawn Oct 17, 2020, 7:03 PM

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I think it was most widely believed from the insurrectionist colonies. At least that is where we see it in books

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"Oh the UNSC/ONI is just doing their lying stuff again"

cinder sluice Oct 17, 2020, 7:03 PM

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What?

gilded mason Oct 17, 2020, 7:04 PM

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What are you confused about?

cinder sluice Oct 17, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Wtf?

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 7:17 PM

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So is the mega contrux mombasa police pelican canon

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Because that things packing more heat than the military ones

gilded mason Oct 17, 2020, 7:18 PM

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You okay, Airtight?

cinder sluice Oct 17, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Umm

midnight loom Oct 17, 2020, 7:20 PM

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yes.

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llol

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easy on the [REDACTED] boy!

gilded mason Oct 17, 2020, 7:37 PM

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It is not. Just a meme.

obsidian thistle Oct 17, 2020, 7:44 PM

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@west silo yes cause it appears in Halo 3: ODST

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Its just weird that the equivalent of a police transport has more weapons than the standard military model

jolly furnace Oct 17, 2020, 8:33 PM

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We know the Innies didn't believe the Covies were real at first and then some wanted to ally with Covies after to take out the UNSC/UEG. Then they learned hard way the Covies wanted all humans dead.

stable flower Oct 17, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Its just weird that the equivalent of a police transport has more weapons than the standard military model
@west silo What's weird is that it's the only Pelican that appears in ODST.

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Well the city was on lockdown

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And there was fighting going on in other places all over the world

cedar surge Oct 17, 2020, 8:35 PM

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Police Cyclops though

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 8:37 PM

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And those

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Maybe there a post war thing?

cinder sluice Oct 17, 2020, 8:48 PM

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How fast can master cheif run

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 9:02 PM

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Standard speed is 30mph

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But all Spartans can do that

ocean ibex Oct 17, 2020, 9:02 PM

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He’s broken 60 before

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 9:03 PM

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He did run half a km in 50 seconds

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But ripped his tendon

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And when they were 15 they ran 30 km in under half an hour

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In armor ofc

cinder sluice Oct 17, 2020, 9:36 PM

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What if he had sprint on him

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The armour ability

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Cant run without it

flat bone Oct 17, 2020, 9:39 PM

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i think that was just a gameplay thing

cinder sluice Oct 17, 2020, 9:43 PM

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They wouldnt do that

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 9:47 PM

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That's just a gameplay thing

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Unless you mean the one that shuts down the suits safety features making them move faster at the risk of injuring himself

flat bone Oct 17, 2020, 9:51 PM

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no i think they mean the one in halo reach

west silo Oct 17, 2020, 9:53 PM

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I forgot the description for that one

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I just the halo 5 description

slim thorn Oct 17, 2020, 11:30 PM

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I though wonder how fast the Spartans can run without armor and without breaking their tendons or any body parts. Running 60km per hour with an armor doesn't sound too bad for augmented spartans.

ocean ibex Oct 17, 2020, 11:37 PM

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They would run slower

slim thorn Oct 18, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Master Chief can run 36km/h but he ripped his tendon, so most likely like 30km/s?

open falcon Oct 18, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Put him on IR

stable flower Oct 18, 2020, 12:57 AM

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Why'd the scientists at Henry Lamb call the Enduring Conviction an unidentified vessel? Does they know a CAS-class assault carrier when they see one?

humble yacht Oct 18, 2020, 1:07 AM

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It was unidentified because they didn’t know who it belonged to

slim thorn Oct 18, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Hrm... Much like around 3.6 seconds when chief is ripping tendon with 40 yard dash

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Well we know the can move faster than the human I can see at the age of 14 with out armor

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Then again they were in all black in a dark room being watched by an old lady

ocean ibex Oct 18, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Anyone know the year chief biologically died

cedar surge Oct 18, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Uh what do you mean by that

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Chief never really died

ocean ibex Oct 18, 2020, 4:25 AM

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When he was “buried”

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 4:28 AM

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In the believe trailer?

cedar surge Oct 18, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Oh yea that

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Forgot about tgat

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Hey wait

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Isn't that in the 2560s or farther

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Cause the way these guys are acting the war was a long time ago

stiff creek Oct 18, 2020, 4:43 AM

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Or maybe they just gave him a funeral so he could rest.

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Kinda overkill, but whatevs.

cedar surge Oct 18, 2020, 4:47 AM

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So eventually by 2590 he is gonna be dead

terse lava Oct 18, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Pretty sure that was all ONI propaganda, as Bungie likely intended to have him fade off

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:53 AM

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Isn't It's the one with the marines fighting the brutes to be the only one that's propaganda?

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And that's mostly cause it probably isn't chief

fair hazel Oct 18, 2020, 6:18 AM

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343 could also remove that

stable flower Oct 18, 2020, 7:40 AM

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I wonder why they're called Koslovics. I know they're led by a dude named Vladimir Koslov, but they sound like a gang. Does the "ic" at the end denote something?

obsidian thistle Oct 18, 2020, 8:31 AM

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I wonder why they're called Koslovics. I know they're led by a dude named Vladimir Koslov, but they sound like a gang. Does the "ic" at the end denote something?
@stable flower ah early Bungie lore that stuck. Hard to say, they were a lotta terms that were made back then cause they sounded interesting.

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Kinda amazed 343i didnt trash it tbh lol

humble yacht Oct 18, 2020, 2:21 PM

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Cold

jolly furnace Oct 18, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Cold-blooded reptiles

terse lava Oct 18, 2020, 3:35 PM

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hm? I don't recall any lore stating they were cold-blooded

jolly furnace Oct 18, 2020, 3:44 PM

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I don't know

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I always assumed cold-blooded

humble yacht Oct 18, 2020, 3:45 PM

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well they are saurian so, cold-blooded would make sense

jolly furnace Oct 18, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Hmm

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We have no confirmation yet

humble yacht Oct 18, 2020, 3:50 PM

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if someone tries to canonicize that elites are warm blooded than i'll lose all hope for this franchise

jolly furnace Oct 18, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Watch 343i do it

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Elites are dinosaur friends

inner basin Oct 18, 2020, 4:06 PM

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if someone tries to canonicize that elites are warm blooded than i'll lose all hope for this franchise
That’s a bit dramatic, don’t you think?

wispy wasp Oct 18, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Aren't elite feet like horse hooves?

inner basin Oct 18, 2020, 4:10 PM

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I mean they do look kinda similar

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From face value anyways

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But I don’t really think about their feet that much, or at all, so I’m gonna just put a plug in it right there before this gets weird

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 4:12 PM

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they're more like raptor feet than hooves

wispy wasp Oct 18, 2020, 4:14 PM

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What about the first chapter in the great journey, which is called Your A**., My Size-24 Hoof (imagine forgetting profanity isn't allowed on the server)

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I uh

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don't think those are canon

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they're usually in jokes or pop culture references

wispy wasp Oct 18, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Ok, i wasn't sure if they could be taken as serious or not

inner basin Oct 18, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Don’t take any of them serious unless 343 say otherwise. They’re all just jokes and playing around with names of things etc

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 4:19 PM

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especially in the Bungie games

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 4:22 PM

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So does that mean that sangheli can't regulate there own temperatures?

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 4:23 PM

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maybe

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Now I wonder if brutes like bananas

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 4:25 PM

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they probably don't have them on Doisac

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 4:28 PM

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So is it still canon that doisac looks like endor despite the brutes discovering the radio when the covenant found them

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 4:28 PM

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keep in mind, the Brutes used to be considerably more advanced

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they literally nuked themselves back to the stone age

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Mad Max might be the most apt description of Doisac IMO

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Yeah but they were living in treehouses when the covenant found they which was also when they were smart enough to create a radio

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The also seem to forgot the importance of clothes

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 4:31 PM

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it's not out of the question for a post apocalyptic society to reinvent radios

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 4:33 PM

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But not cloths?

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 4:33 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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hey man, who are we to judge?

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Or not living in tree houses?

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 4:35 PM

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I don't know that that's a proper way of judging how advanced a society is

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they might think we're backwards for living on the ground

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Its not some we live in the sky lifestyle

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It's basically how the ewoks live

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 4:37 PM

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and again, it's not out of the question for a post apocalyptic society to find a way to reinvent or repair old world technologies

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Wait weren't the grunt also in the industrial stage when they were found?

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I can't speak to that one

terse lava Oct 18, 2020, 4:40 PM

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I see no reason to think the Sangheili are cold-blodded. Heck, people say some dinosaurs were warm-blodded

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 4:41 PM

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well we don't let scientists ruin our fun here

flat bone Oct 18, 2020, 4:41 PM

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sangheili have 2 hearts

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freaky

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but slugs have like 6 or something

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freakier

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 4:55 PM

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So sangheli are just alien space marines

maiden crescent Oct 18, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Wait weren't the grunt also in the industrial stage when they were found?
@west silo poor little guys, all enslaved

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Weren't the drones also technically enslaved as Well

maiden crescent Oct 18, 2020, 5:03 PM

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I think so

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:03 PM

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They basically just bugged off after the covenant broke

maiden crescent Oct 18, 2020, 5:04 PM

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By the way, what was the social status of Hunters?

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:04 PM

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worm

maiden crescent Oct 18, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Obviously

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:05 PM

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they weren't even considered people

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the grunts were low but they were people

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lekgolo worms were tools

maiden crescent Oct 18, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Worms

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:06 PM

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put im in an armor or two, put em in a walker tank, put im in uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh Mendicant Bias, see what happens

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:21 PM

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I'm pretty sure Hunters themselves have a decently high status

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Lekgolo worms do not

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:22 PM

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There right below elites

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Yeah

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Before the brutes joined of course

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It was actually noted as being a honor to have hunters in your squad

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Yeah

ocean ibex Oct 18, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Does the banished have any hunters

humble yacht Oct 18, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Yes

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Since Hunters are super OP and rare forms of Lekgolo worms

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They have a decently high status

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The elites especially respect them

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Regular Lekgolo worms, on the other hand, are treated as worms because they are worms

ocean ibex Oct 18, 2020, 5:25 PM

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“Rare” worms, bruh worms are worms

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Lol

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What I mean is that

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The Hunter formation of Lekgolo worms is not a common formation

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They rarely ever combine to form a hunter

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Well technically every lekgolo becomes a hunter

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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wdym

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not all of them become a hunter

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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They grow so big they have to split

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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some of them operate scarabs

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yeah that's what makes bond brothers

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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A hunter is just a lekgolo in armor

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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It's a group of lekgolo in armor

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Well yeah a single lekgolo is just a dumb worm

versed helm Oct 18, 2020, 5:27 PM

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"Mgalekgolo" is a plural term, mind you, which is what a Hunter is comprised of.

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:27 PM

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That's why they bond to become more intelligent

humble yacht Oct 18, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Mgalekgolo is a type of colony of worms

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It’s a single unit tho, the worms have permanently bonded and no longer think as individual worms

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Regardless Hunters are well respected in the covenant

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If nothing else the elites respect them a lot

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flashbacks to the covenant getting stomped by Hunters when they tried to exterminate them

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The taming of the Hunters happened for a reason

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If you think about it, Hunters have the most potential out of any of the species in the covenant

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If they bond together into large enough colonies their combined intelligence is insane

ocean ibex Oct 18, 2020, 5:32 PM

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How big can hunters get, cuz in halo legends, that one arbiter fought like a 50 ft hunter

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:32 PM

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idk

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but that sounds crazy

humble yacht Oct 18, 2020, 5:32 PM

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There are Goliaths were are pretty much super hunters

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Eh take that episode with a grain of salt

ocean ibex Oct 18, 2020, 5:33 PM

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It’s still canon

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Some things aren't

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:33 PM

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everything in Legends is canon except for

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:33 PM

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The grunt sure isn't

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:33 PM

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y'know

ocean ibex Oct 18, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Odd one out and the package

versed helm Oct 18, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Oh, so it is not a plural term for Lekgolo then.

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'The Duel' is, H2:A's Terminals even canonised its depiction of Elite armor.

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:34 PM

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The package is canon

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:34 PM

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I am fairly certain thee package is canon

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Just some depictions aren't

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:34 PM

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bruh this was about hunters not canon vs non canon in Halo Legends

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:35 PM

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which is to say, the stylizations don't necessarily represent how something might look

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Like Spartans wearing heels

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:35 PM

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hold on

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Spartans don't wear heels did that really happen in Halo Legends

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Yep

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:35 PM

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who did

versed helm Oct 18, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Kelly's armor in Legends does have heels

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:35 PM

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and in what context

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WHY

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Kelly

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:35 PM

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That makes no sense

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:36 PM

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I dunno, it's anime

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Fighting the covenant

versed helm Oct 18, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Because it was created by an anime studio

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Like a centimeter of heels might make sense

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but a whole entire heel

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:36 PM

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get in the robot, shinji

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:36 PM

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While running

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Hold on I need to see this for myself

versed helm Oct 18, 2020, 5:37 PM

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https://www.previewsworld.com/SiteImage/FBCatalogImage/STK521093.jpg - for context

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Its just there

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:38 PM

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lol

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:38 PM

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No reason really

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:38 PM

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That's actually kind of funny

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no tactical reason whatsoever

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just decided to slap a pair of heels onto her armor

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Anime

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Just like why halsey looks like a teenager

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:39 PM

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lol most anime don't slap a pair of heels onto a set of power armor

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ok the halsey thing is definitely an anime thing

versed helm Oct 18, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Someone hasn't watched a lot of anime

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:39 PM

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dude i'll have you know im a certified weeb

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i have my ID right here

versed helm Oct 18, 2020, 5:40 PM

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okay, I guess you're cleared
But yeah Legends has some questionable depictions. Probably a lack of oversight

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Ever watched darling in the Franz?

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It's gets weird

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Ok so I admit I avoided that one

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it didn't really seem interesting

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eVeR wAtCh JoJo

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Am at SBR

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:42 PM

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SBR has the best plot I think

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but stardust crusaders will forever be my favorite

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Heh

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Is that a Jojo reference

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:42 PM

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YES I AM

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ah yes

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logic

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Johnny use your christian stand to fire nails into the presidents head

flat bone Oct 18, 2020, 5:43 PM

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ive only watched naruto one piece opm and pokemon

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:43 PM

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bruh JoJo is everywhere

flat bone Oct 18, 2020, 5:43 PM

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im not very weeb

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:43 PM

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I stopped watching Pokemon after XYZ

flat bone Oct 18, 2020, 5:43 PM

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same

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:43 PM

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I've watched an anime on occasion

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Especially after what they did to ash in sun and moon

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:43 PM

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Im watching Re: Zero rn

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:43 PM

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I'm currently watching Evangelion

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also Re:Zero's really good

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Subaru is kind of a moron sometimes

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Like I get this man dies a lot

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But come on

versed helm Oct 18, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Evangelion was one of the first ones I saw.
Talk about being thrown in at the deep end.

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Think a little bit

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:44 PM

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lmao

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Man acts like he's never had any social interaction in his life

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:45 PM

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My anime was afro samurai

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:46 PM

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He starts acting like a siiiiiimp when it comes to Emilia, like he just got chat mod in an e-girls twitch channel

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Talk about an experience

flat bone Oct 18, 2020, 5:46 PM

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naruto is my anime

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:46 PM

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i dont really fw Naruto idk why

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:47 PM

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High School DxD is surprisingly good lol

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Man imagine telling your past self that the main villian of naruto is an alien

flat bone Oct 18, 2020, 5:47 PM

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lol

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Season 4 is garbage

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:47 PM

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No

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Season 4 is good

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For a light novel reader it is great

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:47 PM

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s4 of what?

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:47 PM

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DxD

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:47 PM

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oh

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haven watched

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:48 PM

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And seven deadly sins season 3 is trash

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:48 PM

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lmao

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:48 PM

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ok true

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:48 PM

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ive seen the animation

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:48 PM

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And I loved that anime

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:48 PM

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powerpoint animation lookin self

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:48 PM

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good god

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:48 PM

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DxD season 3 was ruined by the old studio

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which is why they got booted

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they made season 3 a bad fanfiction essentially

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removed so many plot points and added some hella cringey stuff

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Who here ever watched the Godzilla anime

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:49 PM

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nah

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i dont like when they use 3d

versed helm Oct 18, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Not big on Polygon Picture's style tbh

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:49 PM

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I swear Godzilla is the only good thing in it

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:50 PM

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cgi in anime is almost always garbo

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Berserk 2016 is garbage

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Please stop

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:50 PM

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its all cgi

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Berserk more like DooM

versed helm Oct 18, 2020, 5:50 PM

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There was that one with the gem girls that was alright

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Gem girls?

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Berserk 2016 --> DooM 2016

versed helm Oct 18, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Land of the Lustrous, had to remind myself of the name

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Never heard of it

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:51 PM

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same

true snow Oct 18, 2020, 5:52 PM

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who is the owner of this server btw

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Man who would want a new halo legends series

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:52 PM

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yes

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i would love that

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:52 PM

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But this time with a more consistent art style

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:52 PM

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343 industries

versed helm Oct 18, 2020, 5:52 PM

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I wouldn't say no.
343 could do with exercising a bit more oversight than last time though yeah

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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The prototype wil always be my favorite

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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i like The Duel

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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And origins 1 and 2

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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I like the Package

unborn thicket Oct 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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yeah

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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But Origins is really good

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Odd one out was really fun

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The babysitter was ehh

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2020, 5:55 PM

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But this time with a more consistent art style
The different artstyles came about due to them working with multiple animation studios for Halo Legends. Honestly, I liked that each of them had different ideas for the artstyles used

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:56 PM

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The different art styles was the fun part

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What they'd need is someone to make sure Halsey isn't a teenager lmao

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Like sure, there are some I preferred over others but I like the variety

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Yeah but it took you out some times

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2020, 5:57 PM

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What they'd need is someone to make sure Halsey isn't a teenager lmao
Ok, that was definitely something they could've done better with, Halsey should've been older for sure

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Yeah but it took you out some times
I wasn't taken out of it by the artstyle

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:58 PM

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True it was putting in a lot of Japanese stuff

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 5:59 PM

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I mean

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It's anime

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Remember the Japanese temples that were supposed to be forerunner

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Pretty sure they said they weren't Forerunner

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 5:59 PM

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But they made it ancient humanity

versed helm Oct 18, 2020, 5:59 PM

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'alien ruins' is what I remember the episode saying

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Am pretty sure there is something. An interview that said they were ancient human

versed helm Oct 18, 2020, 6:04 PM

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https://youtu.be/ZiILCyUZFos?t=198 - Yep, 'unidentified alien ruins'. Guess ancient humanity makes sense in retrospect.

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The episode itself definitely hints towards them being Forerunner though.

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Wouldn't it make sense for humans to call them unidentified

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I don't think they were aware of the forerunners existence

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Although genesis shows that at some time they had learned that the covenant were worshipping an ancient race as gods

gilded mason Oct 18, 2020, 6:35 PM

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well they are saurian so, cold-blooded would make sense```
This is way back earlier from Chim, but...they're *aliens*, Chim. They simply *look* vaguely saurian. And it turns out many dinosaurs were apparently not cold-blooded And Shadow of Intent has a colony of Sangheili living in an arctic region.

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 6:42 PM

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But lizard people

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More seriously though when did the existence of the forerunners become public knowledge

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To the point that they were thought to children in school

fair hazel Oct 18, 2020, 6:56 PM

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some time ago

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well, how do i answer that

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time is relative

jolly furnace Oct 18, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Heian ruins - all but confirmed ancient human based on design/style of ruins alone

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Human statues and everything there

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 6:58 PM

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man what about an Alien style Halo movie about a group of UNSC marines and scientists who discover a Forerunner ruin and are hunted by a Zealot

jolly furnace Oct 18, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Cool

cedar surge Oct 18, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Well couldn't they just call for reinforcements

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 7:11 PM

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there'd probably be some reason why they couldn't

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the standard "comms dead" trope

craggy sierra Oct 18, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Intergalactic comms are tricky in Halo and even with being able to make contact it can take days for anything to come of it

jolly furnace Oct 18, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Intersteller u mean

cedar surge Oct 18, 2020, 7:23 PM

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Well the unsc is making better and better interstellar comms

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Like that slipspace thingy in escalations that got promptly broken

jolly swift Oct 18, 2020, 7:24 PM

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well for the purposes of a horror movie, they probably wouldn't be working anyhow

jolly furnace Oct 18, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Horror Halo - have UNSC group find one of those Precursor prisons mentioned in Warfleet and they get terrorized by an Eldritch horror or something

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Or a group of Forerunner go into another realm after messing about with one of the Precursor Anchors mentioned in Silentium

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They enter a "dimension of pain"

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Or something vagely Lovecraftian or Warp or Shroud inspired

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Or into Unreality where the Precursors dwell

west silo Oct 18, 2020, 8:22 PM

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So basically halo underwater edition

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For a halo horror theme game just use the Mona lisa

wispy wasp Oct 18, 2020, 8:27 PM

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for halo horror you could do anything flood related

cedar surge Oct 18, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Halo L4D

jolly furnace Oct 18, 2020, 8:38 PM

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We've seen Mona Lisa

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We need sometin ne

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new

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Anything but a Flood horror game, please

cedar surge Oct 18, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Covenant horror game

wispy wasp Oct 18, 2020, 9:06 PM

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like being on reach after the unsc have left?

terse lava Oct 18, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Sounds kinda boring

cedar surge Oct 18, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Maybe like being a Spartan 3 team that infiltrated a covenant planet and must secure covenant technology and secure explosives and get off the planet to a prowler

carmine sleet Oct 18, 2020, 9:21 PM

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That doesn't sound like it'll be a horror game. That would work better as a stealth game

terse lava Oct 18, 2020, 9:35 PM

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The Covenant can't really be used as a horror plot anyway

inner basin Oct 18, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Maybe like being a Spartan 3 team that infiltrated a covenant planet and must secure covenant technology and secure explosives and get off the planet to a prowler
That sounds like a Headhunter campaign to me

cedar surge Oct 18, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Still would be a cool thing

stable flower Oct 18, 2020, 11:31 PM

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The Covenant can't really be used as a horror plot anyway
@terse lava Yeah, they're not mindless killers.

cedar surge Oct 18, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Group of silent shadow hunting down ONI scientists who hold a forerunner relic?

stable flower Oct 18, 2020, 11:32 PM

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If you ask me ODST was kinda like a Covenant horror game. Whether it'd be roaming Mombasa Streets in the dark, or the stuff the drones do in Data Hive.

flat bone Oct 18, 2020, 11:32 PM

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halloween with the covenant or...

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your an ODST that woke up in an abandoned city, you have to find out what happened to you squad and find a way out of the flood infested city. basically ODST with a bit of a different story/setting.

cedar surge Oct 18, 2020, 11:38 PM

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If your city is already abandoned and your not at earth your probably not going to survive long

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Most horror things in halo would probably be about the flood

flat bone Oct 18, 2020, 11:43 PM

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what if the city was flood infested?

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 12:05 AM

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What if your being hunted as game by brute?

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We know they eat people alive

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And that would be horrifying especially at night

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And we know they did something similar at sigma octanius

lapis ferry Oct 19, 2020, 12:11 AM

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or

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a game where you playas an elite evacuating high charity as the flood start consuming it

cedar surge Oct 19, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Or a elite general trying to survive being hunted by Spartans

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 12:25 AM

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That wouldn't really be scary

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And elite generals can go up against Spartans
There not gonna win but they could hold there own

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Depending on what weapons the Spartans have available

ocean ibex Oct 19, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Wdym on a 1 on 1 an elite general would destroy a spartan

cedar surge Oct 19, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Not destroy

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A Spartan is equal to a elite

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Plus I said "Spartans"

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Not to mention that you fought elite generals in 1v1s before

ocean ibex Oct 19, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Game play doesn’t correlate to canon

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An elite that served for that long would 100% beat most Spartans

cedar surge Oct 19, 2020, 2:36 AM

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And Spartans who would have fought in the same war would also have similar experience

gilded mason Oct 19, 2020, 2:37 AM

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I'd say that it might come down more to other circumstances. Which weapon is best for the particular encounter, did somebody get the drop on the other, etc.

ocean ibex Oct 19, 2020, 2:39 AM

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@cedar surge which era of the war and which gen of Spartans are we talking about

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There’s a TON of factors when comparing elites to Spartans

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Actually a Spartan would beat the general

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Aren't the silent shadow usually the best of the best

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To the point ship masters were scared of them

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And a bunch of teen Spartans made them look like a joke

cedar surge Oct 19, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Wait no

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Don't tell me

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Teenage Spartans actually beat silent shadow

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Wait

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Weren't the we like teenagers when they went on their suicide missions

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Was this in the meridian books

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But hey wouldn't other Spartan IVs ask questions about working with high schoolers

echo nebula Oct 19, 2020, 2:59 AM

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The kids from Meridian earned semi-soldier status

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S-IV's did not come about until after the Meridian book, and due to their exposer inside the Forrunner structure, they became S-IV's to save their lives

unique rune Oct 19, 2020, 3:04 AM

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In this context it... also wasn’t the proto-S-IVs from the Battle Born books.

John and some other -IIs made made short work of several Silent Shadow Sangheili under Tel ‘Szatulai’s command, if I recall correctly...

cedar surge Oct 19, 2020, 3:05 AM

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So is unsc augmentation all or nothing

echo nebula Oct 19, 2020, 3:05 AM

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The Covenant always had better technology than humanity in the HC war, but humanity always had better tactics

cedar surge Oct 19, 2020, 3:06 AM

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Like the 3s

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Were the prelates a thing before the war?

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Or was it a response to the spartans

echo nebula Oct 19, 2020, 3:06 AM

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All or nothing? Probably. Many of the augmentations would require more augmentations to prevent side effects

cedar surge Oct 19, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Like just giving soldiers stronger muscles would require stronger bones?

echo nebula Oct 19, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Right, otherwise the stronger muscles would break the normal bones

gilded mason Oct 19, 2020, 3:08 AM

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but humanity always had better tactics
It was mainly back and forth.

echo nebula Oct 19, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Many of the internal organs had to be modified or replaced to handle the new caloric requirements and to help survive tough environments and undesirable foods they may be forced to consume

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Well, as for tactics, not every human is an excellent tactician, and not every Sangheili was average for them

cedar surge Oct 19, 2020, 3:10 AM

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VIa got all of their organs replaced

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And humanity got some smart people

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Cole,the Keyes,hood,cutter,halsey

echo nebula Oct 19, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Cole was considered insane by some standards prior to the Covenant, and when they pulled him out of retirement, he bested the Covenant quickly

terse lava Oct 19, 2020, 3:13 AM

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I would also like to point out on the Shadows, they were trained more for assassins and rescue.

ocean ibex Oct 19, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Could the covenant have won the war at all?

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Even if they did “win” their economy would be shattered and the empire would ultimately fall

terse lava Oct 19, 2020, 3:20 AM

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The Covenant were winning the war all the way until thr schism

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Only 2 to 3 ministries of the Covenant's hundreds were even involved in the war

dusty prawn Oct 19, 2020, 3:21 AM

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speaking of the IVs, you know what's crazy? How their brains were modified to be super good at learning stuff. That's the scariest modification. Super smartypantsness.

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Umm when I said teen Spartans I meant the 2s

stable flower Oct 19, 2020, 3:25 AM

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I think IVs were meant to fight the Covenant like the IIIs, but the war ended. However, they're still used against remnants.

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 3:25 AM

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You guys remember silent storm right?

ocean ibex Oct 19, 2020, 3:25 AM

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No they weren’t

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 3:26 AM

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The Spartans were like 15 to 16

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It takes place a few weeks after sams death

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They were 15 around that time just receiving the armor

craggy sierra Oct 19, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Even if they did “win” their economy would be shattered and the empire would ultimately fall
@ocean ibex if they won the war they would’ve lit the rings and economy would’ve been a large non-issue for the entire galaxy.

stable flower Oct 19, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Well, they were in their experimental phase in 2548 but were finished by 2553.

dusty prawn Oct 19, 2020, 4:43 AM

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@craggy sierra as long as they didn’t win too well, then they couldn’t light the rings at all. “Reclaimer? What’s a...? Oh. Oooooh. I remember now. Man, I’m getting old.”

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Actually they probably would have a spare human to light the ring

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They would just keep that little fact away from the rest of the covenant

versed helm Oct 19, 2020, 5:03 AM

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They'd probably go after a scientist

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Someone who's spent time with forerunner stuff

slim thorn Oct 19, 2020, 9:24 AM

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Well, the only one who can ponder on it now is Professor Anders

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Since she was literally trapped at Installation 09 and she can spend her time studying all Forerunner technologies as much as she wants without restriction.

carmine sleet Oct 19, 2020, 10:13 AM

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Anders launching that ring happened just under 7 years after the end of the war and we already know that Cortana found Anders thanks to the end credits scene of HW2

cedar surge Oct 19, 2020, 11:09 AM

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What do you think she did with her

inner basin Oct 19, 2020, 12:05 PM

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Hard to tell. Probably keeping her in captivity or should I say “in a safe place”

cedar surge Oct 19, 2020, 12:11 PM

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Maybe making her work for her?

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She was halsey student right

obsidian thistle Oct 19, 2020, 1:59 PM

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So anyone here like canon dubious maps!

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Cause this map was found recently by a Halopedia staff member! (Not me) Its the Arcadia map from the Risk Halo Wars set. With the location names being from the lead Halo Wars writer! https://www.deviantart.com/sblendo/art/RISK-Halo-Wars-Game-Board-205520274

ocean ibex Oct 19, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Why doesn’t the unsc use tungsten for their ships, isn’t tungsten completely resistant to most plasma weaponry

humble yacht Oct 19, 2020, 5:31 PM

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no?

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why would tungsten resist plasma?

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Tungsten is a very dense metal compared to titanium and steel, it would make ships heavier than they need to be

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more mass means more inertia

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more inertia means harder maneuverability

cedar surge Oct 19, 2020, 5:45 PM

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The titanium A alloy they use for ships that is hight resistant to heat gets melted in a few seconds

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So I doubt tungsten would do better than a few seconds

humble yacht Oct 19, 2020, 5:48 PM

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covenant plasma weaponry is said to exceed the Sun's surface temp in heat. that would put it at a minimum of 5600 C. Tungsten melting point is ~3400 C

fair hazel Oct 19, 2020, 5:55 PM

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I’d say that’s a very low melting point but once you go past absolute zero. Isn’t it supposed to be, hot again?

humble yacht Oct 19, 2020, 5:56 PM

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whut

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absolute zero is -273 celcius

fair hazel Oct 19, 2020, 5:57 PM

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-3400 Celsius

humble yacht Oct 19, 2020, 5:57 PM

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~ is not the same as -

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~ means "approximately"

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it's called a tilde

fair hazel Oct 19, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Oh. Looked like - to me for some reason. Should have turned my brightness higher

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Question?

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Do we have a good description of what a merse is?

jolly furnace Oct 19, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Halopedia does

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 6:38 PM

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So there basically mega jelly fish

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I thought they were more like krakens or mermaids

tall torrent Oct 19, 2020, 7:05 PM

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you know what would be cool

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if we got a game about the old human race

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that was talked about in halo 4 i believe

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also i have a theory about infinite

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basically, after halo 5 the humans go against cortana and they eventually go to the ring in the end of the legendary ending on halo 5

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then we basically lose

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also im pretty sure halo wars 2 is connected in there somewhere

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with the banished

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and thats where infinite starts where we go to the halo ring again

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Eh to be honest with how fan love to cry about mystery ruined when anything about ancient halo is revealed I think it would be better left alone

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Look how people strated acting when we got a look at the forerunners

jolly furnace Oct 19, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Halo ring in H5 ending is under cortana's control last we saw

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I think

cedar surge Oct 19, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Well cortana is humming while a ring is lighting

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But I'm not sure what exactly she is gonna do with it

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Cause of ya know

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Killing everyone in the Orion arm

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Which kinda contradicts her goals

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Maybe she puts them in a safe place?

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You know shieldworlds

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And kill all the ones she wants gone still in real space

humble yacht Oct 19, 2020, 7:21 PM

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a halo wouldn't fit in a shield world, i don't think

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 7:22 PM

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An not talking about a halo

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Am talking about the species under her control

cedar surge Oct 19, 2020, 7:22 PM

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There ain't enough shieldworlds not infected by flood to put hundreds of billions of people in there

humble yacht Oct 19, 2020, 7:22 PM

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we don't know that

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Only one we know is infected

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And that's gone

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And it was probably a local outbreaks

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And to be honest onyx alone could probably house all of them

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But luckily that's outside her reach

slim thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:39 PM

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All Halo Installation possibly also stores Flood

tall torrent Oct 19, 2020, 7:39 PM

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i would love more lore about the old human race

slim thorn Oct 19, 2020, 7:39 PM

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04 and 05 already gave us an indication that each installation except installation 00 does have Flood Containment facility

tall torrent Oct 19, 2020, 7:39 PM

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also isnt there a greater ark

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somewhere

humble yacht Oct 19, 2020, 7:41 PM

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I09 probably doesn't have flood

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wouldn't really make sense if it did

gilded mason Oct 19, 2020, 7:48 PM

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somewhere```
That one was destroyed

ocean ibex Oct 19, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Wasn’t that one destroyed by star roads

gilded mason Oct 19, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Ye

humble yacht Oct 19, 2020, 7:51 PM

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when your Ark gets murked

sour quest Oct 19, 2020, 8:01 PM

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and thats where infinite starts where we go to the halo ring again
@tall torrent hence the title, infinite 😮 The story will be an endless loop of going back to the rings 😮

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Mind blown

tall torrent Oct 19, 2020, 8:02 PM

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pog

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it would be weird ngl

versed helm Oct 19, 2020, 8:07 PM

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I have the stupidest of stupid questions

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Did Arbiter have a name before he was just called the Arbiter

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OH WAIT

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nevermind

gilded mason Oct 19, 2020, 8:07 PM

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lol

versed helm Oct 19, 2020, 8:07 PM

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They do have names

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But I don't actually know arbiters

gilded mason Oct 19, 2020, 8:08 PM

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We know the names of at least three. Fal 'Chavamee, Ripa 'Moramee, and of course, Thel 'Vadam.

versed helm Oct 19, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Wasn't there like R'tas

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or something like that

gilded mason Oct 19, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Rtas was the SpecOps commander

versed helm Oct 19, 2020, 8:09 PM

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ah yes

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I assume Arbiter was Thel 'Vadam

gilded mason Oct 19, 2020, 8:10 PM

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The arbiter we are most familiar with, yes

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Question do we know why the librarian choose bornsteller?

gilded mason Oct 19, 2020, 8:13 PM

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What do you mean?

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Set up his ai to make him go to earth
Find chakas and then free the didact

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And hope that he was rebellious enough to run away from his foster home to go on an adventure

midnight loom Oct 19, 2020, 8:19 PM

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amongchief

boreal perch Oct 19, 2020, 8:23 PM

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💩

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halo have no lore. destiny have lore tho

past mason Oct 19, 2020, 8:25 PM

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I completely disagree

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Am pretty sure that a joke

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Mine sweeper is obviously the only one with lore

gilded mason Oct 19, 2020, 8:30 PM

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He tried to spam a bunch of messages with profanity as well

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Well I guess that feature is good after all

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Wait a minute

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after getting devolved humans could still live for hundreds of years

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How?

cedar surge Oct 19, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Well maybe its to much to go 100% devolution

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 9:12 PM

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But we're the same as the devolved ones

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Or maybe its because riser was a hobbit

stiff latch Oct 19, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Riser's species lived very long lives

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Riser acts like a teenager and is only 200 years old

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Well I guess that throws away theory that humans can't really go past 130 years

terse lava Oct 19, 2020, 10:17 PM

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Teenager? Riser acted like an old mentor, which he was to Chakas

gilded mason Oct 19, 2020, 10:18 PM

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He was drawn as an older bearded man as well.

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Really riser comes off as more younger than chakas me

terse lava Oct 19, 2020, 10:31 PM

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hm, he seems more eccentric to me

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but he was clearly the older of the two

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Yea he was just really eccentric

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And had horrible grammar

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How old was born?

terse lava Oct 19, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Bornstellar in Cryptum was 12

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In Silentium 23 if I recall

west silo Oct 19, 2020, 11:05 PM

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Thanks

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And chakas

jolly furnace Oct 19, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Well if we go by RL odds are FLorians couldn't go past 130 years of age

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Though is an unverified claim of a person living to 140 plus

cedar surge Oct 20, 2020, 2:07 AM

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So if the forerunners wanted humanity to take the mantle

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Couldn't they reverse their devolution and show them their old technology?

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Or is undevolving them not possible

shut dew Oct 20, 2020, 2:14 AM

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With reevolution or devolution you risk a whole bunch of things going wrong, unless you want the Halo equivalent of Super Mutants.

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Don't think that was a risk when it came to Forerunners. It was trivial

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 2:48 AM

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Am pretty sure that when the forerunners decided to give the mantle to humanity everything started going to hell

cedar surge Oct 20, 2020, 2:53 AM

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The second the precursors chose humanity everything started to go to hell

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Yeah, we don't even know why humanity was worthy

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Though I wouldn't say thr precursors announcing humans was the nail in the coffin. It was planning to wipe out the forerunners

cedar surge Oct 20, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Humanity getting chosen over the forerunners is kinda dumb

ocean ibex Oct 20, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Why?

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The librarian even said humans would’ve surpassed the forerunners in every way

cedar surge Oct 20, 2020, 3:11 AM

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And what exactly made humans more worthy

ocean ibex Oct 20, 2020, 3:11 AM

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No idea, humans are just better I guess

cedar surge Oct 20, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Cause forerunners and humans seem to have similar ranges of emotions

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And humanity can't claim the moral high ground in any age

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And the forerunners had the better civilization with better tech

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Which is needed for the mantle

ocean ibex Oct 20, 2020, 3:12 AM

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They didn’t have better tech

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They both were tier 1

cedar surge Oct 20, 2020, 3:13 AM

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The forerunners were higher in tier one than humanity

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Just cause they are both in tier one doesn't mean they are on the same level

ocean ibex Oct 20, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Source?

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:14 AM

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The forerunners had the edge in everything that mattered

storm mulch Oct 20, 2020, 3:14 AM

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maybe the humans were worthy because they don't murder other beings like how the foreunner made the humans into the night? my guest

ocean ibex Oct 20, 2020, 3:14 AM

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Well, the precursors considered humans superior

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Idk why

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:15 AM

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In the beginning of the war the forerunners mastery of slipspace allowed them to shutdown humans FTL travel

cedar surge Oct 20, 2020, 3:15 AM

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In the decades prior to the dismantling of their civilization, humans were technological equals of the Forerunners in many areas, likely placing them on Tier 1 on the Forerunner technological achievement scale. This was largely thanks to the efforts of Yprin Yprikushma, who encouraged humanity to study Forerunner technologies encountered in earlier conflicts with Forerunners.[7] Despite this, the Forerunners' technological achievements still overshadowed those of humanity in many fields, including megascale engineering and slipspace technology. For example, the humans were seemingly unable to construct megastructures on the scale of a Halo installation,[48] and their understanding of space-time reconciliation was inferior to that of the Forerunners, who were able to use their superior understanding of slipspace to an advantage by clogging the humans' slipspace channels and slowing their interstellar travel

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Justice humanity glassed forerunner worlds without warning

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Because of the flood

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And during the war The unsc blew two covenant planets up

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Not to mention after the war ONI trying to cripple the elites

ocean ibex Oct 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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And all this relates to?

cedar surge Oct 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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maybe the humans were worthy because they don't murder other beings like how the foreunner made the humans into the night? my guest
@storm mulch

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Also the fact that some of ancient humanity achievements came from there alliance with the San shyuum

ocean ibex Oct 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Does it matter how ancient humans got to where they were

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

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maybe the humans were worthy because they don't murder other beings like how the foreunner made the humans into the night? my guest
@storm mulch
They were long dead before that

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Well yeah

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Would you say the San shyuum were more advanced than the sangheli despite them using the forerunner keyship to win

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:29 AM

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There is also that humans and forerunners were once a single race at some point in the distant past.

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Ehhh?

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You sure about that

stable flower Oct 20, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Is that why humans are the only ones in present day who can activate Forerunner installations?

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:33 AM

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I remember the forerunners theorizing that the flood might have been some attempt for the precursors to fuse both humans and forerunners into a single perfect species

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Is that why humans are the only ones in present day who can activate Forerunner installations?
@stable flower
Um no that was just the forerunners meddling

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:36 AM

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It was said in Primordium

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it has nothing to do though with humans being able to use forerunner tech

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It was thought the Primordial may have been trying to undo the "shivering" between humans and forerunners long ago

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:40 AM

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So the forerunners and humans are the same species after all?

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:40 AM

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more so they are implied to have been a single species, or more accurately desecnded from a single one

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:41 AM

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Well the precursors made them

gilded mason Oct 20, 2020, 3:41 AM

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Like how other apes and humans had a common ancestor millions of years ago

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:41 AM

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And born does state the he and the humans like kinda similar

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Before the mutations anyway

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Pretty much what Ostral said

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:44 AM

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Man I really wonder though what is the primordials deal?

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Was he imprisoned by the precursors?
The forerunners

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:44 AM

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a crazy nutjob at thispoint

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and I think Primordial implied he may have been a child

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that particular passage was always a bit confusing

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:45 AM

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That isn't that much of a surprise

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:45 AM

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well its defentily some lovecraft horror right there

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:45 AM

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With him pulling a galaxy wide temper tantrum

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:45 AM

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the ultimate evil in halo, is a child getting revenge on its race's creation

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:46 AM

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Man it would be pretty messed up if he had won

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Everything that would come after would just be made to suffer eternally

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Forever

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:47 AM

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yep

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imagine all those poor humans and covenant from CE-3

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infected

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:48 AM

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I do wonder though do humans in modern halo see the librarian from birth

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:48 AM

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no

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Chakas and riser and most of the humans did

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:49 AM

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thats because back then, she had installed a device that made it appear she was there

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Dang they even know they were apart of some master plan

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Wasn't that there gene song?

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:49 AM

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the closest modern humans in halo get to that is the ideal female

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:50 AM

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Ideal female?

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:50 AM

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yes

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:50 AM

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You mean like halsey

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I wouldn't call her ideal

versed helm Oct 20, 2020, 3:51 AM

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So what you think lore wise shadows of reach will bring

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:52 AM

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A connection to infinite

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A reason why the banished are a threat to the unsc

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Boosting the banished in some way

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And probably giving a hint to the new wonder weapon to defeat cortana

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:53 AM

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to put it as Chakas said on her: Whenever you look inward and see an ideal female… whether it be goddess, anima, mother, sister, or lover... For a brief, barely sensible instant, you will see the face and feel the spirit of the Librarian."

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:54 AM

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Wow

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So is that device in every human?

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:54 AM

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what? no

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It wasn't in them, was an external devide

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 3:55 AM

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So only in there little village

terse lava Oct 20, 2020, 3:56 AM

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she used an automatic imprint system: https://www.halopedia.org/Lifeworker_beacon

versed helm Oct 20, 2020, 3:59 AM

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I forget does all UNSC personnel get a neural interface or only flag and senior officers, Spartans, and other privileged servicemembers

west silo Oct 20, 2020, 4:01 AM

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All servicemen

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Spartans and ship captains implants are just more advanced

versed helm Oct 20, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Aye

junior dome Oct 20, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Is the Domain a Precursor or Forerunner construct?

gilded mason Oct 20, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Precursor

junior dome Oct 20, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Then why wasn't it destroyed when the Halo Array fired?

versed helm Oct 20, 2020, 7:26 AM

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Ngl the precursors and forerunners confuse me

gilded mason Oct 20, 2020, 7:26 AM

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It was severely damaged and basically everything within it was wiped out

amber viper Oct 20, 2020, 7:26 AM

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@gilded mason are you repeating me

gilded mason Oct 20, 2020, 7:26 AM

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Hm?

junior dome Oct 20, 2020, 7:26 AM

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Then what is Cortana accessing?

gilded mason Oct 20, 2020, 7:27 AM

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The surviving Forerunners were able to "reboot" it

junior dome Oct 20, 2020, 7:28 AM

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So is she accessing the Forerunner domain then

gilded mason Oct 20, 2020, 7:28 AM

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She is accessing the Domain, yes. Though now with much less "stuff" inside it.

junior dome Oct 20, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Anyone read Shadows of Reach?

gilded mason Oct 20, 2020, 7:32 AM

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It kinda just came out

junior dome Oct 20, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Some people have early access

versed helm Oct 20, 2020, 7:40 AM

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I've read the fall of reach

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But not the new one

timid tulip Oct 20, 2020, 8:47 AM

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ok I have question for you all

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2020, 8:49 AM

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Go ahead and ask

timid tulip Oct 20, 2020, 8:54 AM

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In Reach we see brutes basically for the first time in the Halo Universe other than Halo 2 and 3. But we all know that the Arbiter was the one that orgastraited the attack on Reach. My question is this, did the Arbiter have command of a brute platoon or were the brutes under the command of someone else?

versed helm Oct 20, 2020, 8:55 AM

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thinkingchief

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He probably had command of a platoon cause I'm not sure if anyone else was in command of destroying reach other than him

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2020, 8:56 AM

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Arby wasn't the first to find Reach

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Before Arby's fleet, another fleet arrived, being the Covenant forces you encounter during the first half of the game

versed helm Oct 20, 2020, 8:56 AM

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Is that the one where Jorge blows up the ship?

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In long night of Solace

timid tulip Oct 20, 2020, 8:57 AM

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But it was Arby that followed the Pillar Of Autumn to the first Halo and from what I read it was the Arby was the one that lead the attack on Reach

versed helm Oct 20, 2020, 8:58 AM

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Yeah but after Jorge uses the slip space bomb you see another fleet come in from slipspace

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2020, 8:58 AM

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He didn't lead the initial attack we see at the beginning of Reach

timid tulip Oct 20, 2020, 8:59 AM

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Interesting, do we know who lead the first attack on Reach?

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2020, 9:00 AM

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The Fleet of Valiant Prudence led by Supreme Commander Rho 'Barutamee was the first to arrive, with Rho dying when the Long Night was destroyed

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Then Thel arrived later with the Fleet of Particular Justice

timid tulip Oct 20, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Ahh ok, one question for you all. I love Cortana and the relation ship she has with MC. Do you guys think that the real Cortana is still a live and she's just waiting to make a return to confront her rampant self?

versed helm Oct 20, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Idk

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amongchief

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2020, 9:05 AM

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Ahh ok, one question for you all. I love Cortana and the relation ship she has with MC. Do you guys think that the real Cortana is still a live and she's just waiting to make a return to confront her rampant self?
The Cortana that's trying take over the galaxy is what remains of the original Cortana, she's not going to come back and fight her evil self

timid tulip Oct 20, 2020, 9:06 AM

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I just hope that John can save her, Cortana and John in my opinion is by far the best video game character relationship ever.

carmine sleet Oct 20, 2020, 9:07 AM

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I'd rather not have Cortana be "redeemed" or "saved". No point in trying to return things back to how they were. We've gotta move on