Covert Operations are typically used to cause a political effect
#lore-and-universe
inner basin
You could’ve just searched up “What are Covert Operations?” on Google and you would’ve got the answer
tough ocean
Oh, I thought they were different from actual Covert Operations.
inner basin
To destabilise Sanghelios and have the Sanghelli interlocked into civil war so they would never be a threat to humanity. That was ONI’s thought process behind it anyways
gilded mason
Because ONI is stupid as 'heck'
inner basin
I personally think it isn’t smart to sabotage your only ally
midnight loom
yeah....
gilded mason
Yeah
flat bone
Mhm
gilded mason
Hm?
midnight loom
was way stronger than other side
flat bone
Who would want rtas as an enemy, when he could be an ally
inner basin
His rousing speeches bring a tear to my eye
stable flower
Rtas is basically the Covenant version of Sgt. Johnson
midnight loom
oh lol i went inactive here like last year and now ur the only 1 that was around back then
gilded mason
Many of the others got banned.
flat bone
Oh
inner basin
I’m a long timer, although admittedly I did go MIA for a while
flat bone
I started here like a month ago
gilded mason
I've been having some spelling mistakes recently, so my time may be up soon as well.
flat bone
Rampancy
midnight loom
wait u git banned for spelling?
inner basin
A lot of my misspellings have thankfully been noticed by mods and admins and have been removed from the system :)) I also accidentally got banned once which reset my warnings
humble yacht
This isn’t a lore topic
flat bone
Lol
flat bone
Why in halo 5 are they struggling against jul then?
inner basin
F, ONI are cold and calculating with every decision they make. A lot of those decisions are morally wrong, but they claim that it’s for the greater good of humanity
flat bone
I don’t think it was that much stronger
Great journey fanatics
That’s all the halo 2 covenant was
Also anti heretic
inner basin
The Great Journey fanatics weren’t really intriguing to me. I hope it’s similar to the dive into the politics of the Covenant and the inner workings/manipulation that we’ll be seeing
humble yacht
Let’s keep all SoR talk to #485883236430512168
ocean ibex
Jenkin’s squad could’ve survived the flood encounter on the ring
flat bone
Wasn’t Johnson the squad leader
ocean ibex
Keyes was
flat bone
Keyes is a captain tho
ocean ibex
He’s the highest rank there
flat bone
I remember Johnson giving the orders
ocean ibex
Anyways if Jenkins shot his gun they would’ve killed all of the infection forms
flat bone
Idk
shut dew
And I hope we get something more than surface-level stuff H2 did. The Banished as of now...
- Led by Atriox
- Rogue splinter group that does hit-and-run attacks
- Are on the Ark for some reason and released the flood
- Deal with Human Criminal Organizations.
Like please have genuine non-combatant Banished characters that aren't immediately killed off or never mentioned again. And dive down DEEP into the Banished's internal workings so much more than the OT ever did for Covies.
flat bone
Why just Jenkins
Everyone else was shooting
His gun was not a Spartan laser with infinite ammo and a constant beam
ocean ibex
He had a fresh mag with 60 rounds in it
flat bone
Keyes did too
ocean ibex
He had a pistol
inner basin
Keyes never keeps it loaded ;P
flat bone
...
ocean ibex
The fact they survived more than 10 seconds is surprising
flat bone
Not really
inner basin
It’s a reference to the line he says when he hands you the Magnum in the first mission, oof. It’s not anything dirty-minded
inner basin
3 dots would suggest otherwise
flat bone
Ik
I was just
Nvm
8 marines -ish Johnson and Keyes
If one marine could almost get through the library that fire team could definitely survive 10 seconds @ocean ibex
ocean ibex
Why did they only send 8 marines to a weapons cache
When they knew it was heavily guarded
inner basin
There was more than 8 marines
ocean ibex
Even then
flat bone
That’s why I said ish-
ocean ibex
It looked like a small swuad
inner basin
There was second squad if you recall them being in contact over the radio
For all we know, second squad could be where the numbers of Marines were
ocean ibex
They weren’t inside with them
inner basin
Yes they were
ocean ibex
Ohh the first marines that got killed
flat bone
Did you know that in Halo CE the captain of the pillar of autumns name is “hellomynamekeyes”
inner basin
No, second squad was also in the facility. If you recall, first squad were deep in the facility, right? Second squad were somewhere inside, but closer to the entrance. After Chief takes the elevator up to the entrance, he rendezvoused with some surviving Marines who were lost in the facility for hours (according to them)
ocean ibex
Don’t recall
inner basin
Sounds like someone needs to replay CE
inner basin
It was confirmed in the book “The Flood”
ocean ibex
More books to read
flat bone
I dont read the books
inner basin
Bruv, if you want to ofc. I wouldn’t deem The Flood necessary
ocean ibex
Nah it’s good, would love to read it
inner basin
No, they aren’t. But you can probably find some of the earlier books at not a bad price
inner basin
I can’t say I’ve ever seen one in my country
ocean ibex
Where do you live lmao
inner basin
UK
And I should probably be getting to sleep, yet I’m on Discord talking to random people
ocean ibex
Yeah you probably should
faint stone
your choice not ours matey
stable flower
I dont read the books
@flat bone Me neither. I'd rather smooch Little Moe with the gimpy leg.
flat bone
What movie is that, home alone?
cedar surge
Is that the movie in home alone
flat bone
I think so
cedar surge
Movie producers in halo got a lot of material to work with now
Do you think the covenant got similar entertainment producers?
jolly swift
steamy human/sangheili romance movie
humble yacht
Covenant entertainment probably amounts to propaganda
cedar surge
I could see a heavily exaggerated movie about how chipped dunno became the greatest unsc marine
humble yacht
Seems like the covies got a kick out of public shaming
cedar surge
Maybe movie about past arbiter and all of their sins and shames to scare some covenant back into line?
flat bone
Or documentary’s on the great journey
cedar surge
Or covenant parading around with the bodies of Spartans as a trophy
cedar surge
Well yea
If you managed to kill one of humanities greatest warriors who likely killed thousands of covenant wouldn't you also call dibs on their body?
cedar surge
Cya
versed helm
@flat bone Sangheili romance
gilded mason
Based
versed helm
^
unique rune
based on what
gilded mason
Based on love
gilded mason
rude
versed helm
They can’t scowl though
Just having those hungry eyes darting at you sitting at the table
“So uh, how’s the.. Armadillo, pate”
vague scroll
dense falcon
So we met the Proto-Gravemind on the level Keyes back in Halo CE, but when was it officially given that name?
versed helm
IIIRC, it was first named that in Halo 2, though “proto-gravemind” was something they called it in the studio for CE.
vernal badger
Jackals can’t be romantic because they have no eyebrows
Jackals are saying the same about our critical lack of coloured feathers, plumes or quills.
versed helm
We humans don’t condone peacocking
versed helm
you say while so many fashion shows are being held every hour
@versed helm Those are lizard people
flat bone
Lol
paper reef
lol
faint stone
david attenburgh prophet
versed helm
oh man
what if he did the narration for the Halo series?
it sounds stupid
but it'd be legit
flat bone
what if truth was voiced by morgan freeman, that would be funny
snow halo
is the flood juggernaut canon
craggy sierra
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Pretty sure it’s just made out of raw biomass like the pure forms in 3 so no reason for it not to be.
flat bone
why do pure forms need spores to be created
i heard they are only created after/when flood spores start to be emitted
jolly swift
probably just when they have enough biomass to make pure forms, they also move to spores as a method of spreading
flat bone
makes sense
cedar surge
All flood forms canon
snow halo
why were they even removed from Halo 2
cedar surge
Purr forms?
snow halo
juggernauts
unique rune
Quite frankly
I'm glad Halo 2 didn't have a Warthog run
snow halo
I hope maybe we get to see the juggernaut in Infinite
cedar surge
If 2 also had a warthog run it would dilutes 3's
snow halo
but both CE and 3 had one
flat bone
infinite better have a warthog run
vernal badger
Imo juggernauts seem out of place now. Just a less interesting pure tank form. Between Hunters and Pure flood they don't have much reason to be in a game.
cedar surge
That what makes it special
You wouldn't want to eat cake every day would you
And well
Theet already got a successor
The juggernaught in HW2 ATN
vernal badger
Halo wars also had tentacle turrets and bases to shoot. Doesn't mean they go well in an fps. Different genre, different enemies.
unique rune
but both CE and 3 had one
Just because it's part of the same franchise doesn't mean it has to retread and regurgitate the same stuff over and over
cedar surge
Try saying that to die hard fans of any OT
flat bone
if its epic it deserves to be regurgitated every once and a while
cedar surge
You wouldn't want to eat cake every day would you
@flat bone
That takes away the magic of a warthog run if in every game you have one
flat bone
i didnt say every game
wispy wasp
How did the unsc /oni deal with marines that had survived encounters with the flood?
wispy wasp
Not sure how many survived the ark, but i'm sure the few survivors of alpha halo encountered the flood, and chips dubbo
humble yacht
chips is not a canon character
wispy wasp
Oh
humble yacht
johnson survived the flood but his encounter with them was largely kept from ONI
wispy wasp
I guess that makes sense that chips wouldn't be canon
Was he always non canon or was that a 343 thing?
humble yacht
the idea of chips originates with bungie
jolly swift
Anyone else notice that the concept art of the Primordial looks a lot like the H4 Promethean Knights?
humble yacht
but he's never officially named
obsidian thistle
Well its debated on the wiki. They could've kept Stacker in that limbo but didnt for example
One hypothesis is. They are canon. But their depictions at locations may not be unless scripted or are impossible
Another hypothesis is they are not canon. And the Halo CE/TF approach is done where in-universe they are replaced by other people
Regardless its a fun topic. Can really stretch the limits of digging the realms of possibility in the games
last anchor
We can agree that Stacker's named apperance in H4 rollin with Infinity IS canon right?
It even says his name on the screen
Cause IM thats his best apperance in my book.
humble yacht
I think Stacker has more canon validity than Chips
stable flower
why were they even removed from Halo 2
@snow halo Time constraints
snow halo
but they were already there so why remove them
jolly swift
just because they were there in some capacity doesn't mean they were ready
humble yacht
they didn't have death animations
faint stone
halo 2 with a warthog run would feel, meh
junior compass
wouldn't really fit in with the cliffhanger
faint stone
there would've being explosions but last i checked high charity being destroyed in 2's ending would remove the its threat and cortana being left behind
jolly swift
Halo 2 at this point is so ubiquitous it's hard to imagine it any other way
faint stone
all you gotta know is 2 happened lol
junior compass
then again cliffhanger is just filler since they messed up the development
vernal badger
Miranda was supposed to strap a bomb to the Chief and somehow shove him into a shaft, we dodged a lot of bullets with those halo 2 time crunches, lol
she was mad about her dad dying on Halo and blaming the Chief for... reasons.
jolly swift
Cortana saw it, and gave Miranda everything she knew about the first Halo
everything
vernal badger
Miranda:
flips though 400 terabytes of desciptions of the flora on installation 04
jolly swift
all to get to the description of Chief's anime shower scene
limpid anchor
Hey do you guys know the various Mjolnir versions pretty well? I'm piss poor at recognizing them and I'm looking for somebody a bit more skilled.
jolly swift
the generations or the specific armors?
limpid anchor
The generations
cedar surge
Gen 1 is before and during HCW
Gen 2 is post war
And gen e is during and after infinite
Scratch that
limpid anchor
Sorry, I was hoping somebody could id a picture!
cedar surge
Some time after cortana
jolly swift
if you can post an imgur link then probably
gilded mason
What's the pic?
gilded mason
Looks like Mark 6
vernal badger
the helmet can't be mistaken, that's for sure
gilded mason
But kinda in the style of Installation 01
jolly swift
yeah, but is it the Gen 1 version or the one used by Gen 2 spartans?
gilded mason
Nah, Gen2 Mark 6 is different
jolly swift
yeah, that's Mark 6 Mjolnir Gen 1
limpid anchor
I was thinking mark 6 with the helmet, but wasn't sure about the chest
jolly swift
just cross referenced some pictures
they're right, the chest is different
I'd say it's gen 1 mark 6 with artistic liberties
jolly swift
oo that is crisp
limpid anchor
Ahhh nice!
gilded mason
Ye, it's my favorite version of Mark 6
limpid anchor
Really appreciate the ID. I wanted to make sure
gilded mason
👍
limpid anchor
Where can I find more information about the variant? I'm only finding Mark 6 GEN 2
jolly swift
halopedia
gilded mason
used to
🤔
limpid anchor
Hah. I'll keep scrounging. Thanks again
jolly swift
the best Halo source is internet funnyman Brian David Gilbert
vernal badger
was pleasantly surprised to learn that the san'shyluum are actually nice to the women they invite to their genetic diversity breeding programs.
just because they are evil doesn't mean they gotta be evil i guess
limpid anchor
Good token of info
next fox
Is Emile as good of a spartan people make him out to be? Or is he a wanna be badass
vernal badger
What do you mean? A spartan is a spartan. He got recruited as a spartan III, and survived a suicide mission.
He got special look on life, and are temporarily removed from Noble when they have to fight Innies for... reasons.
humble yacht
Emile is certainly proficient as a soldier, moreso than a majority of Spartan IIIs since he got into Noble Team
that said, he tries harder than his teammates to be imposing
which could be seen as "wannabe" in some ways
jolly swift
he's an emo teen's spartan OC
vernal badger
my bad, he did not actually get deployed to the usual Spartan III suicide missions, due to being an emo liner - i mean having an aptitude that did not fit in with the other Spartan IIIs of his company, but him getting into Noble Team still speaks volumes of his skill.
cedar surge
So smile was being considered to be replaced because he was too violent?
vernal badger
Not considered to be replaced. It was just planned to swap him out for another Spartan if Noble were sendt on another mission against Insurrectionists, as his brutality made for bad PR.
Detail oriented and effective, and diciplined off the battlefield.
More than you can say about certain other members of Noble :p
humble yacht
effective
lol, sure
vernal badger
The only problem is that he uses that shotgun instead of taking full advantage of his 1337 pro pipe skills!
cinder sluice
😡
cedar surge
Maybe they were also planning on switching him out because he never looks at his motion tracker
jolly swift
Emile plays life like it's MLG
stable flower
I wonder why Spartan-IIIs were deployed against innies. Isn't that a job for Spartan-IIs?
jolly swift
I guess the II's had more pressing matters
deep pewter
Don’t ask questions about Reach’s story
stable flower
Don’t ask questions about Reach’s story
@deep pewter Oh right, I forgot.
deep pewter
None of the questions have answers
stable flower
Reach is the only game where Bungie even mentioned the innies.
craggy sierra
My only question for Reach is why is it like this? And that’s more so directed at the people who made it.
versed helm
I would’ve preferred to have actually fought the innies for a time. Then again, I think it was a smart move on Bungie’s part to immediately open you up to covenant conflict — I doubt insurrection from the get-go would be as presentable in letting the player feel like it’s a Halo game
cedar surge
Innies wouldn't have as much variety as the covenant would
versed helm
Maybe some stragglers on the 2nd or third mission before returning to more Covenant
cedar surge
They use repurposed unsc and a little covenant tech
deep pewter
If they weren’t going to be a meaningful idea, why even introduce them?
versed helm
Just a little spicing tool for the sandbox and narrative
Showing how widespread of an impact the invasion makes
deep pewter
But as soon as the invasion starts civilians are almost entirely ignored, there’s a bit later on in that mission but that’s about it
versed helm
Insurgents would be lagging around moreso than the average civilian; especially given their potential footholds over certain regions
If we were to come across one, it could have a meaningful effect
It would also be a great reference point for how competent Spartans are, by having an enemy more relatable
(If they were to make them canon fodder)
west silo
Question wasn't the slip space crystal in first strike destroyed?
jolly swift
playing through Halo 3 again, it's pretty obvious that Bungie intended the Forerunners to be ancient humans
gilded mason
Some of Bungie, at least.
carmine sleet
So glad that isn't what happened
jolly swift
I kinda like the idea
craggy sierra
What little we knew about the forerunners would’ve made them too far gone from being relatable for that to even really resonate.
lean karma
do we know the exact day Jorge joined and left UNICOM to join noble team?
Im working on writing an unofficial novel of marines in UNICOM who worked with Jorge while he was there in group 3
i couldent find a date anywhere
craggy sierra
Also there’s definitely a lot more leaning into the idea the forerunners made a sacrifice in making themselves extinct when firing the rings too.
And if we were actually forerunners, why wouldn’t we have left some manuals lying around to re-elevate ourselves back up to the same level of intergalactic society?
There’s a lot that doesn’t quite add up if you follow that thread.
ocean ibex
Wouldn’t we have discovered by now that we have part forerunner genes
versed helm
Why?
jolly furnace
What we chattn bout?
Humans don't have Forerunner genes
They have genetic commands and instructions/key that lets them activate and use Forerunner tech on instinct or as if they were Forerunners
Humans and Forerunners do have an extremely similar base genetic code however there is no confirmed genetic relation between the species.
Ultimately the origins of both lay with the Precursors
jolly swift
We're talking about how it seems like the original intent may have been for Forerunners to actually be ancient humans
jolly swift
Correct
gilded mason
If humans did have Forerunner genes, how would they know they're Forerunner ones? They don't have Forerunner genetic material onhand, so they'd just assume it's just human genes.
jolly furnace
Yah
west silo
Does geas count as forerunner genes
gilded mason
Nope
cedar surge
Its instructions
west silo
Didn't chakas have some geas?
jolly furnace
Geas are genetic commands and instructions and brainwashing tool and genetic storage for essences of dead people. Its weird
Also they can control ur physical actions even if ur aware of the geas and don't want to do what the geas is making u do
As we see in Primordium
Resisting causes physical pain
west silo
Soo basically basically its a plot Swiss army knife
jolly furnace
Yah
And yes Chakas had a geas as did every other human on Earth once
Chakas' sisters may have passed those same geas onto any character we know
If their bloodline survived intact
Also Riser too
cedar surge
So at any point in the games it could have just been the geas in the pilot seat?
west silo
So geas can also move through bloodlines?
west silo
Sounds kinda genetic to me
cedar surge
So I don't see why not
Plus it stayed around for thousands of years
So I think its safe to say yea it dies
Does
west silo
Man would it be likely to meet any durances on zeta
cedar surge
Durances?
Are those new
Setinals?
Oh hey
Maybe we will see onyx setinals in infinite
Maybe they havnt been forgotten
humble yacht
All bloodlines got erased when the halos fired
cedar surge
Werennt the geas installed after
humble yacht
The conservation measure included seeding the new humanity with genesongs
But it’s not like anything would have been passed down by Chakas or his line
west silo
Durances?
@cedar surge
There basically forerunner souls that are contained instead objects
jolly furnace
@humble yacht Chakas had many sisters, some could have survived the Array firing if taken to Ark and put back on Earth and had descendents. If so his bloodline may be intact through them
Meaning the geas in him and any AH essences could still exist in modern humans
humble yacht
Humans weren't taken to the ark
jolly furnace
Earth humans were
humble yacht
the only survivors on the ark were a small group of forerunners
jolly furnace
No
humble yacht
earth humans died on earth with the librarian
west silo
The ones on the greater ark died
west silo
Oh
jolly furnace
Point is Chakas line could still be around.
But Im not expectin anything to come from that
west silo
Well he was going to find there geass
In rion
Or use her in some way
Wait am thinking of his friends
Not family
jolly furnace
He wanted to find Riser and Vennera's geas or essences or go into domain to be with them there
That was as Spark
His sisters are long dead
but his own bloodline could be intact if they have living descendants
west silo
Well weren't they said to have gone silent
jolly furnace
thus his geas could be in descendants of his sisters
west silo
If they were lucky enough to survive
humble yacht
Chakas wouldn't have been turned into a geas
jolly furnace
No but the geas in him could also have been in his sisters
humble yacht
only if the geas in Chakas came from his parents
but it didn't. chakas got those genesongs placed in him directly
jolly furnace
Its like this - I have a geas and many AH essences. That same geas could be passed into any children i have.
and so on and so on
humble yacht
sisters are not children
jolly furnace
Oh jeez
His parents could pass the same geas into all of their kids potentially
Chakas and his sisters
humble yacht
didact and librarian put them in him
jolly furnace
Yah she did that with the AHs who were originally devolved
and they had descendants
CHakas is one of those descendants
humble yacht
i'm looking at halopedia right now
jolly furnace
Also didact did nothing
He didnt even know of what she was doing
nor would he have approved
hence why she didn't tell him
jolly furnace
Ok seems ur right bout imprint at birth thing
But is that the instructions to find and open the cryptum or the essences of god knows how many AHs
Or one of them only
humble yacht
well, it was Forthencho's genesong
and later it manifested as a voice in chakas' head
jolly furnace
Among many
west silo
Well didn't that happen because born arrived and it just kicked in
jolly furnace
She put 1000s of essences into the surviving AHs when the war ended
west silo
So was everything chief did
destined to happen?
humble yacht
sort of
humanity was destined to create beings like the spartans, to create AI, to go to space
humanity was not destined to go to war with the covenant
west silo
So the librarian was able to put all this in place
humble yacht
so while a being like chief was destined to eventually come about, most of his actions (i.e. saving the galaxy) were not destined
jolly furnace
Natural disasters yada yada could have killed us al first
we could have killed ourselves
humble yacht
though ultimately, humanity was destined to find forerunner stuff and "reclaim" it
west silo
No it was all part of the plan
She didn't have seer powers
@jolly furnace
Well they kinda did
humble yacht
the covenant was not part of the librarian's plan
west silo
It's just really vague and we only saw it in action once
jolly furnace
She had great ability to predict possibilities and eventualities. Not outright future sight. Now the Gravemind or Precursors on the other hand may have...
🤔
humble yacht
booooriiiiing
humble yacht
nope
west silo
Yep
humble yacht
nope
west silo
But as I said its vague
And the domain can kinda predict or warn about up coming future events
humble yacht
the domain has been described as self aware, and as having the ability to choose what info it holds onto and how it represents that info
but it can't tell the future
west silo
It was showing the forerunners there descendants from the future trying to warn them
humble yacht
at most it can extrapolate the outcome of a major incident
jolly furnace
Show me the Warfleet qoute please. I don;t know this info
humble yacht
i think you're talking about when the domain reached out to Bornstellar, telling him to preserve the history of his race
west silo
Its basically the forerunners using advanced maths along with slipspace to see into the future
humble yacht
that would be prediction, not visualization
predictions can be wrong, even with advanced math
humble yacht
seeing the future and making predictions based on math are totally different
besides, you said before that it was the domain that saw the future, now you're saying its the forerunners
humble yacht
i think you just have wishful thinking
jolly furnace
Oh yeah forerunners used math or advanced slipspace stuff to predict the probabilities of each outcome in battles
I imagine their contemporaries had similar capability if they were to contend with that
humble yacht
we do that today
west silo
I imagine their contemporaries had similar capability if they were to contend with that
@jolly furnace
Well its used against ancient humanity
But its not stated and its from the lord of admirals perspective who has no idea what's going on
jolly furnace
@humble yacht This is more advanced and remember Forerunner space battles happened so fast modern humans couldn't even perceive them properly and these battles could happen all over the galaxy at once and be over in minutes or less.
I imagine AH and the San'Shyuum had the ability to contend with and perceive that kind of speed and temporal screwery with their own tech or else they'd never have lasted 1000 years against the Forerunners.
west silo
So how do you think the forerunners would do against the tyranids
lapis jetty
Can someone briefly explain to me how the primordial was imprisoned and if it had anything to do with the ancient human's sacrificing 1/3 of their population? Are those two related? I keep seeing conflicting answers when I search myself
lapis jetty
So there's no official lore explanation how it was imprisoned?
west silo
He could have been imprisoned by the precursors or the forerunners
lapis jetty
I've seen some accounts say the AH sac'd 1/3 of their pop to imprison it, others that the forerunners did it during the forerunner-precursor war
west silo
No
They sacd 1/3 of there population to kill the flood
Forcing the flood to retreat
Its revealed that the flood only retreat because they had other plans
I've seen some accounts say the AH sac'd 1/3 of their pop to imprison it, others that the forerunners did it during the forerunner-precursor war
@lapis jetty
Not likely that was a war of extermination
The forerunners only felt bad after all the precursors either died or retreated from the galaxy
lapis jetty
the word "sacrificed" which is used in the forerunner trilogy in my mind implies an active decision to kill specifically 1/3 of their pop. Is that meant as in the AH happened to lose 1/3 of their people fighting the flood? Or that some deal was struck between AH and the flood? That the flood would let the other 2/3 live if 1/3 was sac'd? The wording just throws me off
west silo
They messed up. 1/3 of there population and sent them to die against the flood to get infected and mess the flood up
lapis jetty
Hm, interesting, thanks for the info. Halo lore is badass
west silo
Dang right it is
strange bay
Does anyone know if we are getting into on how cheif ended up in space and with older armour or are we gonna get that info in infinite?
west silo
Gotta wait till infinite
But most likely he was spaced when something happened to the ship he was abroad
strange bay
Maybe..
That would explain why he doesn't have a stasis cause if they didnt have time then he would just have to hope that he gets picked up
Or stasis pod
west silo
Well considering what we saw in the game reveal I doubt it was voluntarily
strange bay
If it was voluntary he would have been more prepared right?
versed helm
I'm pretty sure his suit locked, like in the beginning of H3
versed helm
The suit just...pauses
strange bay
Doesn't he have a differnt suit in h5 and h5?
versed helm
Like " hold on fam, imma need a breather"
strange bay
Meant h4
west silo
I'm pretty sure his suit locked, like in the beginning of H3
@versed helm
In infinite its said its in some kind of survival mode
strange bay
Huh
versed helm
It was the same in H3. Suit locked to ensure minimal damage due to movement
Gel lock and stuff
strange bay
His suit looks too old to be able to keep him alive though wouldn't a newer suit be better
west silo
And it drained his suit
versed helm
It IS a new suit
west silo
His suit looks too old to be able to keep him alive though wouldn't a newer suit be better
@strange bay
Believe me he has a lot of suits
versed helm
All suit powers probably went to life support and stasis
strange bay
Yeah he does doesnt he
versed helm
Hence no movement
strange bay
That also make sense seeing as normally his suit wouldn't be able to support it would it
west silo
All suit powers probably went to life support and stasis
@versed helm
I don't think miljor has stasis
west silo
Shadows of reach gives us nothing
On the specs
Other than its an improvement from the last one
strange bay
I mean it has to be if hes just been floating around right
strange bay
Yeah all we know is that he has a grape now
versed helm
Like I said, all power most likely went to life support and stasis
Makes sense the thrusters wouldn't work
strange bay
I can already tell I'm gonna be to into melee combat because of this grappel
versed helm
No point carrying around a corpse
west silo
Its not like thrusters are better in every way
Weren't we already in melee combat most of the time?
versed helm
I can already tell I'm gonna be to into melee combat because of this grappel
@strange bay gonna blood punch the ever living heck outta them covies
strange bay
Yeah you have a point @versed helm but also being able to get to your destination and now being potential space junk is nice
@versed helm yes
Blood punches
versed helm
If you think about it, being still and in stasis offers a better chance of survival than the thrusters do, for a small thing like the suit
strange bay
Yeah it would give a better chance but if he was never found then that would be it for John
versed helm
Thrusters would shorten the time span a lot
Plus, if no ships are in range, he would legit get lost in space
strange bay
And not everything was life support cause he still had to have power for the beacon
west silo
Thrusters allow you to move in space
Plus it's not like there constantly on to drain the suits power
versed helm
But only if you have a destination
west silo
The biggest to me is that gen3 the suit that is said to be the best of the best has worse active camouflage than SPI
versed helm
He didnt know where to go
strange bay
His destination was most likely the ring right?
versed helm
Oi. We still don't know how he got into stasis. He could've been hit mid jump, or blown out of a ship
Impact caused gel lock and stasis
west silo
How would the thrusters affect the suits stasis anyways
versed helm
Power
strange bay
Or it could have been a last minute addition to his suit
As he wa as being evacuated
versed helm
Lesser stasis duration
west silo
Ohhhhh I get it
You mean stasis as in gel lock
That doesn't require power from the suit
strange bay
Hell even a gun could provide propulsion
west silo
Its just hardens on impact
versed helm
And the suit has a survival protocol, right. Priority goes to safeguarding the guy inside. So, suit remains still still someone comes and helps
west silo
Wouldn't that just leave him super exposed?
versed helm
Any heavy impact could've caused gel lock
strange bay
Ahh so safe guard is a distress beacon and a hardened suit
versed helm
The same happened in H3. He legit froze
west silo
When he entered orbit
versed helm
Then the suit reactivated on identifying friendlies
versed helm
The crash caused the gel lock
west silo
Then the suit reactivated on identifying friendlies
@versed helm
Didn't the marines unlock it
Pretty sure the one with the computer did
It happened to Fred as well in the books
And chief had to unlock it for him
west silo
Yep
versed helm
Heavy impact causes gel lock
west silo
Just aim for the planet
versed helm
And hope you got a friend with a laptop on planetside
versed helm
otherwise, you're a new entry into the wax museum
midnight loom
haha. it does? i thought high pressure did.
or gravity.
like when general grave captured blue.
west silo
Well the shockwave from a nuke did cause Fred's armor to lock so yeah
humble yacht
The gel layer? Yes, it acts as a shock absorption layer
humble yacht
To prevent a Spartan’s body from twisting or breaking during impact
Of course
Well that dude is wrong
Gameplay does not equal canon
west silo
Some suits have a function though
stable flower
That dude must be a know-it-all who hates sprint.
gilded mason
Nope
humble yacht
The sprint mod from reach is a redirection of power to make the user achieve top speeds not normally possible
west silo
That was TFoR
humble yacht
Basically allowing a super sprint
west silo
He tore his tendon
humble yacht
He’s wrong
midnight loom
bruh those are supposed to make them FASTER
west silo
Come on
humble yacht
Just tell him he’s wrong and if he doesn’t accept it, move on
west silo
Isn't sprinting just running?
midnight loom
true, true.
west silo
Very fast running then
humble yacht
Sprinting is basically running at maximum effort
midnight loom
they can go down faster than that so they should be able to go sideways just as fast.
humble yacht
It’s the cardio equivalent of benching your max
midnight loom
lol all i see now is chief running and a fireball forming around him because of the cmopressed are
*air
west silo
So running at your fullest
midnight loom
yeah i think.
west silo
Well chief did hurt himself doing that
midnight loom
but on the other hand, sprinting for most sprtans is just jogging for kelly...
it says so in the buks
so what would kelly's sprint be called?
humble yacht
Kelly is the fastest spartan but she’s not that fast
west silo
But that was after a anti tank missile blew up 2 meters behind him
midnight loom
sonic: goes back in time kelly: lands in the future without slipspace
it said so in the lore.
she was super fast.
it said that jhon with mjolner only IMPRESSED kelly no mjolner
0.0.
i forgot if it was fall of reach or something.
i cant get to halopedia because its blocked but ill take ur word for it.
hasnt kelly been seen in comix running as fast as a truck on a highway?
jolly swift
so, why is the Mega Construx figure called SPARTAN Lang, when Ava Lang was an ODST, and is, by all accounts, dead? that's gotta be a misnomer, right?
radiant raft
🎃🎃🎃
stiff creek
It is a mistake, yes.
It says Spartan Lang on the box, while on the case, it says ODST Lang.
versed helm
accidents do happen
pearl oasis
I presume this question has alreadu been answered but
ODSTs still exist post Human-Covenant war right? (Not counting the Spirit of Fire's ODSTs)
humble yacht
Yes
pearl oasis
Makes me wondered what role would they be relagated to? Rapid insertion like before? Or do they have competition with Spartan IVs?
humble yacht
ODSTs always had “competition” with spartans
But ODSTs are still used like they used to be
After the war, buck and the rest of Alpha Nine were sent on a mission to defeat some innies
versed helm
Clean up?
cedar surge
Unsc should have used the sound rifle more
craggy sierra
There’s only a few hundred spartans.
ODSTs are far and away much more numerous still
carmine sleet
Spartans are also not meant as replacements for the ODSTs. Spartans, even in the post war era with the S-IVs, are meant for operations which are highly dangerous to most other operatives
pearl oasis
that would make sense
stiff creek
I wish ODST's weren't just Marine reskins in 2 and 3.
Neat how Ruby's Rebalanced Halo changed that.
craggy sierra
What do you expect them to be?
They’re just normal dudes
Except they sometimes drop from space
Not really anything to make them radically different if you stick then in the same spot as a marine
But also in Halo 3, ODSTs aren’t the same because they’re battery powered
I’m not even joking, a programming error makes it so they die via energy drain while normal marines are fine.
stiff creek
That's kinda funny.
They are just normal dudes, but they are highly trained normal dudes. Each of them specialists.
Most of em, anyway.
craggy sierra
Thing is you can’t exactly convey that in gameplay with a game like Halo.
carmine sleet
Ruby's mod making ODST specialist ranks is literally just something he did based off of the roles of the ODST squad in ODST. The colours he gave each of them have no grounding in canon in regards to what specialisation an ODST has
I could wear blue ODST armour but that wouldn't mean I am an ODST sniper
craggy sierra
Maybe if it was CoD and you had a super hand holdy campaign that has friendly AI scripted down to the pixel for every moment of its run time to take up co-ordinated positioning in every combat arena but that isn’t how Halo’s made at all.
carmine sleet
Plus, it's highly unlikely every ODST squad will always feature one sniper, one explosives expert, etc
There would more than likely be overlap as well
stiff creek
Just like...
give the ODST guys more health, or something.
I didn't really mean the exact same as Ruby's ODST's either, just wanted to bring that up.
craggy sierra
Well again, like I said, they are technically battery powered because of a bug
stiff creek
and that's funny
craggy sierra
But anyways I doubt anyone would even notice if they had extra health anyways
I barely notice when I have friendly AI with me in Halo.
inland axle
I have a doubt
If you use the green regenerator near them, they actually recover health?
Same question for the marines
craggy sierra
Yeah I think the regenerator affects health values
stiff creek
Everything.
If you throw down a regenerator on 04b it starts building itself faster guys try it I'm not joking this isn't a joke
humble yacht
Having better training than a standard marine doesn't make you more bullet resistant, tho
at most, I'd say ODST AI should have slightly higher accuracy or attack than standard Marine AI
craggy sierra
What do you mean? If you get shot enough you start building up a tolerance.
stiff creek
humble yacht
where's my bullet vaccine
stiff creek
sobbing
craggy sierra
It was in the works till covid hit. Then they diverted the resources.
But yeah, Halo 3 has a lot of...interesting choices in what it chooses to tell the player about health mechanics.
Not to hijack the lore channel but did you know that while your shields begin regenning after 4 seconds, your actual health doesn’t begin coming back until after like 10 seconds.
And that’s all I gotta say on that. It’s an interesting choice for the game to keep you in the dark on approximately 40% of your health value at all times.
craggy sierra
No
I mean they have fancier helmets
But that’s largely just cause they find themselves in outside situations more often in space.
humble yacht
ODST don't have onboard biofoam injectors
they need to get biofoam administered externally
cedar surge
Its probavly all healed due to unsc hhealing stuff
sick surge
taking that as a yes, sorry mods
humble yacht
biofoam has tissue regen properties so that would probably help prevent scars
stiff creek
From something as damaging as what he had to endure?
humble yacht
maybe
cedar surge
Well he did had to feel what felt like fire ants in his woumd
sick surge
spicy boys
humble yacht
biofoam has pain relief medication in it so it would provide local anesthesia to the wounded area
sick surge
biofoam bath ☺️
humble yacht
yea that wouldn't work
you either wouldn't be able to enter the bath or you'd be trapped in it for hours, unable to move
sick surge
how lame, its probably expensive too
stiff creek
Then the tub would be all gross afterwards.
humble yacht
not sure if biofoam leaves residue after it breaks down
also not sure if its water soluble...
acoustic dock
yeah so does halo 2
oh no
i was reading older messages
o_o
also no bio foam wouldnt work if it was water soluble
inner basin
Imagine needing to apply bio foam in raining conditions. Would kinda ruin the point of applying it if it was water soluble
stiff creek
Also depending on the quality of rain, the wound may get effed up.
fair hazel
Medigel bath
humble yacht
hot springs heal Link in BOTW, too
stiff creek
Was gonna mention that.
echo ember
yes
flat bone
?
ocean ibex
Why is Halsey always rude to spartan IV’s lmao
ocean ibex
I can understand 4’s but come on, spartan 3’s deserve some credit
ocean ibex
They did as much as the 2’s in ending the war
cedar surge
And technically a 3 is the only reason why master chief saved humanity
gilded mason
Once she got to know the 3s she was with, she became much more sympathetic to them, from what I remember.
ocean ibex
Most of the ones she knew are dead lmao
west silo
And to be honest the person who made them she wasn't really a fan of
Once she got to know the 3s she was with, she became much more sympathetic to them, from what I remember.
@gilded mason
Well the 3s are pretty tragic
And the 4s are basically navy seals with power armor
ocean ibex
The threes didn’t get any glory cuz most of their missions were known by few
west silo
So were the 2s till they were made public
gilded mason
I think he meant to say "wasn't really a fan of"
west silo
Yeah
jolly swift
she didn't know Noble were Spartan 3's until long after
she just assumed somebody had made another class of 2's
nimble crest
She didn’t notice the fact they all had unique armor and not green Mjolnir Mk5?
gilded mason
She did. But as Kualsi said -
west silo
Well fist full of arrows isnt really canon
inner basin
Well fist full of arrows isnt really canon
Unfortunately. Personally, I really enjoyed it
fair hazel
that's a fan comic
inner basin
I am aware. There were discussions to make it canon at one point if I’m not mistaken because of the quality of the book, but those discussions fell through
west silo
Yeah it was alright
But it didn't really add anything
Wait a minute wasn't suppose to bring halsey to castle base?
west silo
How did he get separated from her
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
west silo
Because I remember that frankie wrote a little story of him climbing off reach
cedar surge
So after climbing up the elevator how did jun actually get off reach then
humble yacht
What elevator?
vagrant hawk
The space elevator?
west silo
The Frankie story
It was on Twitter
So after climbing up the elevator how did jun actually get off reach then
@cedar surge
Probably found a pelican
humble yacht
That might have been a joke story
west silo
I don't think frankies that much of a troll
And it doesn't contradict anything
Since jun only existed in the game reach and wasn't in first strike
humble yacht
But it’s not listed as an official source
And cia wouldn’t be likely to leave out something like that
west silo
Or would he?
humble yacht
He wouldn’t
west silo
Eh just file it in to the semi canon folder
humble yacht
Not when he listed the confirmed non canon “fistful of arrows” story
west silo
That's strange
Especially since that isn't canon
It just a really good fanfic
Maybe he isn't aware of it?
west silo
Still weird to take fanfiction as canon
Instead of something that came from the head of 343 that might at least be canon
west silo
Question do they list comments that confirm stuff as sources too?
terse lava
No I don't belive so
cedar surge
How old do elites go
west silo
But we only assume it 200 in human years and it was confirmed by the author
On Twitter of course!!
The oldest we know is 200
And he was basically in his 50s
cedar surge
What do they mean 200 in human tears
west silo
Years
cedar surge
Like elites see time slower or faster?
west silo
Sanghelios has slower years than ours
cedar surge
Or that we think that's old
gilded mason
It takes more time for Sanghelios to revolve around its suns than Earth does its own
Yeah, what Spartan said
west silo
From our resident elite himself
cedar surge
So every colony works on earth time?
gilded mason
Both, I guess.
west silo
Yeah
It makes it more easier I guess
Imagine meeting a 5 year old who's 20 because of how fast his planet rotates
ocean ibex
Are ballistics really that ineffective against combat forms as shown in the Mona Lisa film?
ocean ibex
Why didn’t they just use incendiary or armor piercing rounds
cedar surge
Well wwould using incendiary rounds on a ship be a good idea
Or armor piercing rounds and potentially miss and hit your own hull
jolly swift
I should hope ship hulls are more durable than that
cedar surge
Inside out but yea
Well ain't the Mona Lisa a prison ship
Why would it need incendiary rounds
jolly swift
incendiary weapons are also... highly illegal
the flamethrower is even not meant as a weapon
it's for clearing brush
cedar surge
Well the hellbringers would disagree with you
ocean ibex
You think rules of engagement matter when fighting aliens and galaxy threatening zombies
west silo
That's kinda what the unsc said
ocean ibex
Wdym
west silo
Plus the mona Lisa was a prison ship that most likely wouldn't have access to incendiary weapons
Wdym
@ocean ibex
The whole its a war of genocide thing
Using Flame throwers against people is a war crime yet the unsc has entire troops dedicated to using them against the covenant
midnight loom
well this is centuries after now, who noes if they are still a war crime then...
cedar surge
Well every faction already commited a war crime by that point
The unsc probably equal to the covenant if not more
craggy sierra
Incendiary weapons aren’t illegal. It’s only napalm that is.
ocean ibex
Armor piercing would work too
Cuts through bio mass easier
Higher chance of killing the form inside
analog frigate
yo
versed helm
They'd have to be pretty strong AP rounds, then
midnight loom
well no, it would be better if the bullet stayed inside (those banned expanding bullets)
craggy sierra
Flechette rounds?
unique rune
Hollow-point, I would assume? As far as I’m aware, their legality is... contentious, depending on where in the world you are, and they’re specifically designed to expand upon impact to prevent overpenetration, which would be a problem with using AP on soft targets.
stable flower
Using Flame throwers against people is a war crime yet the unsc has entire troops dedicated to using them against the covenant
@west silo Well the Covenant kill innocent civilians in their genocide against the humans, so it's fair that the UNSC use Flamethrowers on them.
crimson moth
Yo who is worried about it being illegal when master chief is literally a kidnapped child
versed helm
ONI and UNSC is doing legal stuff, given that their enemies are non human
It would be a war crime if the covies were a human faction or something
But, since they isn't human
No war crimes
ocean ibex
I’m talking about the flood where anything is allowed
versed helm
But I'm pretty sure that the SoS can sue for war crimes now
ocean ibex
For how much lmao
versed helm
Idk
ocean ibex
Is there like a galactic currency
versed helm
￣＼＿（ツ）＿／￣
ocean ibex
Anyways wouldn’t an AP-incendiary bullet be useful against combat forms and other pure forms?
Why not?
What about the armor piercing aspect?
It seemed like a good idea at first but you’re actually right
It’s only good for burning bodies
And or hives
barren pike
Imagine debating the morals and ethics of the unsc when we know they're down with kidnapping children and injecting them with bone augmenting juice to make them into super soldiers
ocean ibex
It’s fun to talk about
stable flower
Imagine debating the morals and ethics of the unsc when we know they're down with kidnapping children and injecting them with bone augmenting juice to make them into super soldiers
@barren pike And give them the task of fighting a bunch of rebels.
inner basin
Imagine debating the morals and ethics of the unsc when we know they're down with kidnapping children and injecting them with bone augmenting juice to make them into super soldiers
Well it was actually ONI. Not many UNSC personnel outside of ONI knew about the origins of the Spartan-II program at the time of its creation
Hell, some ONI operatives didn’t even know about the Spartan-II program at the time of its creation. It was highly classified (for obvious reasons)
faint stone
jolly geode
what would it be like living under cortanas rule
humble yacht
No more rated M games
jolly swift
cortana says we can't play Halo
versed helm
In Reach, for the forge world background, is the battle a major one, and is it even named?
winged venture
Cortana would ban the matrix and terminator movies 😦
cedar surge
Propbably master chief propaganda 24/7
obsidian thistle
Forge World was later called a "Simulation" on the Halo Array lore stream
So is canon. Just not in a "normal" way
hard star
That's nice
midnight loom
cool
setting the flood on fire would mean if they set YOU on fire if they catch you.
humble yacht
the efficacy of fire against the flood wouldn't be the pain it caused them
but rather the amount damage it would do to the flood form's whole body in a short amount of time
the first few seconds would damage the outer skin but after that, the burns would start to go deeper
ember tusk
yeah
its also great in H3 when you set a combat form on fire and they just run at you
so many times have I lost speedruns and no-death runs to those enemys
versed helm
what if when you died to the flood, it showed Chief slowly getting infected
and becoming a combat form
flat bone
why do the halo 3 flood split into 5000 pieces when you punch them enough, is this canon or gameplay
humble yacht
gameplay
flat bone
k
versed helm
spooky
jolly swift
so, why not use the Composer on the Flood?
flat bone
how are you orange
jolly swift
because I'm Mr. Halloween
humble yacht
so, why not use the Composer on the Flood?
Because it's not effective on a large scale
and the composed beings retain the infection
jolly swift
no more flood!
humble yacht
there are more effective ways to eliminate flood on a large scale than the composer
jolly swift
fire
midnight loom
but the composer means no deaths
and it means even the hiding infection forms go boomboom
humble yacht
but it's a thin beam that you have to aim manually and it takes time to compose large numbers
you'd get attacked while using it
flat bone
in Halo 5 (idk about 4) before prometheans spawn blue things appear. what are they
humble yacht
slipspace events
flat bone
k
flat bone
for flood why not use the same thing the didact used to thanos dust the people on the composer research facility
humble yacht
for flood why not use the same thing the didact used to thanos dust the people on the composer research facility
that was the composer
it's not effective on large areas
west silo
But when composed you now have the flood souls elsewhere
west silo
And could the flood get into a knight body