lore-and-universe

[vague scroll]

Something about keeping busy

[west silo]

So he made himself spread out to postpone it?

Like what cortana did in 4

Or similar

[obsidian thistle]

Kalmiya is also weird. 15 she made it too

[vague scroll]

Kind of like Cortana I would gander though, Cortana spreading herself out in 4 accelerated her rampancy as I recall

At least when she started dumping her rampant portions into the Mantle’s Approach

[west silo]

So was the ai in saints testimony killed?

Or just looked away

[vague scroll]

Put on cryo

[west silo]

Oh

Put in a small box

[vague scroll]

Essentially

[west silo]

Man imagine that ending

Bloodlines characters have the worst fates

Everyone either dies a point less death or is basically put in a coma

[jolly swift]

oh you mean Reach?

[west silo]

That different

Reach characters were doomed from the beginning

[vague scroll]

Bloodlines is about Black Team

[west silo]

Yep

[vague scroll]

Reach, Rogue One, Saving Private Ryan, etc etc - stories of inconsequence or premedated deaths are a common trope

[jolly swift]

Saving Reach One

Saving Sergeant Johnson

[vague scroll]

Ived played that last one 1 too many times

[west silo]

Actually rogue one and reach they were important

[jolly swift]

I'd say 1917 is in the same boat

[west silo]

Its just that we never expected them to die so sudden

[vague scroll]

Importance is subjective

[west silo]

Well they got the death star plans to leia

And six got cortana to the autumn

[vague scroll]

You misunderstand, I’m not taking an ill position on either

Just saying that saving one person vs saving the whole world at the cost of the lives of many others is a common story line

[west silo]

Oh

Yeah

[vague scroll]

Overlord responded to the Bloodlines remark with Reach so I was just continuing that train of thought, or at least that’s how I looked at it

[jolly swift]

I was memeing because they both have a buncha folks dying for pretty much nothing in the long run

Except 6, he actually made a difference in the war

[vague scroll]

I think a destroyed CSO is still a noteworthy feat

[jolly swift]

I suppose so, yeah

[west silo]

But really black team was delt dirty

[terse lava]

Indeed

[vague scroll]

absolutely

[west silo]

I heard they had another comic?

What was it

[vague scroll]

well, they got their death scene in Escalations, does that count? :L

[west silo]

Nah another one

Although it was basically just a retelling of the first one

[stable flower]

You can think Brian Reed for that.

[west silo]

He's a comic book writer originally and he sucks at that

[fair hazel]

Now now

[west silo]

I don't mean anything bad

Its just escalations not that good

Which is weird since 4 story was one of the best

[obsidian thistle]

I will say Halo Fall of Reach Bootcamp is worth a read

It expands the original story without changing key events. (Only removing stuff)

[west silo]

I remember in one of the fall of reach comics

When a frigate took out two marathon class ships

You know how

[obsidian thistle]

Oh that musta been Issue 1 of Bootcamp

[west silo]

By using a grappling hook

[obsidian thistle]

That if I recall was one of the additions to the story to add more context to Watts.

As in the og novel he kinda is just a plot device.

[west silo]

To this day I cannot believe it

[obsidian thistle]

If I recall it was to show the threat of Watts. And show how ruthless he is.

While showing a spark of brilliance

[west silo]

That still is pretty dumb

[obsidian thistle]

I tbh dont think it was that bad

Could of broken canon like the Red team segments at the end of the Invasion arc.

But it didnt :)

[west silo]

Wait red team were on reach?

[jolly swift]

Oh yeah

[visual parcel]

yea

[jolly swift]

Every remaining Spartan 2 was on Reach lmao

[visual parcel]

I still love halo reach's story but it is kinda sad that it doesn't fall in line with the actual lore and books: Fall of Reach

[west silo]

Every remaining Spartan 2 was on Reach lmao
@jolly swift
Well red team kinda couldn't be there you know unless they had time travel

[jolly swift]

oh, you mean the Red Team with the Sprit of Fire

that is a different Red Team entirely from the one present at Reach

the Red Team in Halo Wars is made up of Spartan candidates whose bodies originally rejected the augmentations, but ONI was able to get them working later on

Red Team isn't like Blue Team; Red Team is a name that can apply to any group of Spartans who has it designated to them

so like, every Spartan 2 still in commission, aka basically the entire first class of Spartan 2's, were on Reach when it fell

most of them died there

[obsidian thistle]

Red Team during the Fall of Reach was not the Red Team that went MIA with the SoF

[jolly swift]

Spartan fireteam names are like baseball numbers, once one team is done with an op, that name is no longer theirs necessarily

Blue Team's name is pretty much just reserved tho

[vague scroll]

that's inaccurate, Spartan team names do not get reassigned following operations - they're set things

it's just that there is more than one Red Team because members get reassigned from time to time

the Red Team on Spirit of Fire was only a portion of full strength Red Team, and even then, were originally attached to Spartan Team Omega

[jolly swift]

well there ya go

[vague scroll]

Fred has been a member of both Red and Blue Team for example

there can be multiple teams operating using the same name at the same time on different theaters as well

The "Red Team" mentioned in Halo: Reach doesn't necessarily have to be the very same we see in Halo: Fall of Reach

[west silo]

Wasn't he talking about a red team in the invasion comic

And he said they broke canon and HW red team was the only one I could think of

[vague scroll]

I missed that part, his spartan fireteam names are like baseball cards seemed like an odd phrasing

since it seemed like he was saying the team no longer used the name

[west silo]

So does Miranda have any background lore that makes her a brilliant commander

[gilded mason]

Not really, no

[west silo]

Because in halo 2 it was just a series of luck that had her being in the right place at the right time

[vague scroll]

not really, as Ostral said, that I've seen but it looks like they're trying to at least give her some different (more meaningful?) credentials for the tv show?

[west silo]

The only thing I can think of is when she crashed a science ship in to a covenant one

What class was the covenant ship any ways?

[vague scroll]

Dr. Miranda Keyes, "a brilliant UNSC Commander who is dedicated to understanding the technology, language and culture of the Covenant, but she'll have to learn to navigate the politics of the UNSC to get what she wants." - excerpt from IGN

[west silo]

Yeah that didn't really sound like her

But expanding character

So it's alright

[vague scroll]

it does feel like an odd addition, guess have to wait and see how the show handles it

[west silo]

I just hope these "politics" aren't what I think they are

[vague scroll]

btw the ship she rammed was a destroyer

[west silo]

What?

How big was the science ship?

The SOF ramming one barely did anything

And the only other science vessel I know is the frigate the Commonwealth

And the argent moon

[terse lava]

She...rammed a covenant destroyer with a science ship...?

[vague scroll]

yeah

the Hibert but since it's taken from Halsey's journal there's not much info on it

[terse lava]

Not going to lie....that sounds like pure cowpaddies

[vague scroll]

at least Halsey agrees with halo fans using the quotations "(suicidal?)" when describing her daughter's actions

[gilded mason]

It says she did an Autumn

She overloaded the ship's fusion engines as she rammed it

[vague scroll]

yeah she overloaded the fusion reactors on the ship, crashed it into the destroyer, and forced them both into a gravity well

[west silo]

Now that makes sense

[vague scroll]

only two people from the Hilbert crew survived, including Miranda herself

[gilded mason]

Just like In Amber Clad! Kinda.

[west silo]

How close was she to a planet to force the destroyer into its gravity

[vague scroll]

close enough I guess

[terse lava]

I assume high atmosphere

[west silo]

Man gravity is truly the greatest force in halo

[vague scroll]

it had help from a UNSC science ship's thrusters

[terse lava]

Do we know what type of covenant destoyer

[vague scroll]

or what was left of a science ship...

[west silo]

That had blown up?

[vague scroll]

it just says "destroyer" @terse lava

[west silo]

Probably the standard one

[terse lava]

I cant imagine the larger one

[west silo]

To be honest she shouldn't have even got close

[terse lava]

Has to have been the smaller book only ones

[vague scroll]

"Even a Covenant destroyer with energy shields can't survive a fiery atmospheric descent at terminal velocity and the subsequent surface impact, followed by Hilbert's exploding fusion reactors."

[west silo]

Like in collateral damage

[vague scroll]

apparently the destroyer had ignored her science ship because it had no offensive capabilities and was preoccupied by three other unsc corvettes that came to her ship's distress call

[west silo]

Because a destroyer one shots them in that comic

Okay

[terse lava]

It was delayed long enough...by corvettes?

[vague scroll]

I'm just pulling from the text that's in front of me, don't shoot the messenger 😛

[west silo]

We know

[terse lava]

Corvettes? I could...maybe understand some frigates

But...just sheesh

[west silo]

I could understand cloaked prowlers

But corvettes?

[terse lava]

Yeah even them. Some ONI tech prowlers I could buy

[vague scroll]

I'm leaning frigates too, prowlers don't seem like the doctrinal type tbh

[terse lava]

But something that shouldn't even be a threat to a Covenant Corvette?

[vague scroll]

yeah it's rather odd

[terse lava]

I call bunk

[west silo]

A single frigate held its own against a corvette

[terse lava]

Pardon?

[west silo]

And it had its hands behind its back

[terse lava]

Oh from reach

[west silo]

Halo reach

[terse lava]

Wait how did it have its "hands tied"

[west silo]

Wait how did it have its "hands tird"
@terse lava
Remember the plan?

Take over the corvette?

Get it to the CSO

[jolly swift]

Bungie has like one FPS story: colorful collection of alien species fighting under a single banner, you're a lone hero, often woken up on a spaceship, who, with the help of an AI, has to stop the aliens from ravaging human colonies using an ancient power

[west silo]

Not destroy it

[jolly swift]

also the Siege of Madrigal is there

[west silo]

Bungie has like one FPS story: colorful collection of alien species fighting under a single banner, you're a lone hero, often woken up on a spaceship, who, with the help of an AI, has to stop the aliens from ravaging human colonies using an ancient power
@jolly swift
Ahh marathon

[vague scroll]

@terse lava "hands tied" also in the manner that it couldn't run away either

[jolly swift]

I tried playing Marathon again recently, and it feels super weird

[terse lava]

Eh ok will give that

[jolly swift]

like, you can't look very far up or down, and the FOV changes as you look up and down I think?

or it's like a fisheye lens

[west silo]

The real meat is the story

[jolly swift]

yeah

[west silo]

Then again the frigate doesn't use its mac once

[jolly swift]

I wanted to experience it firsthand, but even as someone who's played a ton of old games, the gameplay is offputting, so I'll just find it through reading or videos

[terse lava]

Hm fun little question. Had the flood arrived earlier at Earth, could that have forced Truth to ally with the local humans?

[west silo]

Bungie had another game called oni

[jolly swift]

oh yeah

[west silo]

Which was about a intelligence group

[jolly swift]

the anime cousin of the family

there's also Myth

and

heh

Myth 2

the best hard drive formatting tool in the industry

[vague scroll]

the most fun piece of malware ever written

[west silo]

Man funny that halo was supposed to be the sequel to myth

[jolly swift]

it's fine as long as you don't dare to uninstall

[west silo]

But then bungie thought
What if we got closer?

[jolly swift]

then Microsoft said we want what Rare did with Goldeneye

[west silo]

Man masterchief in the CE e3 trailer sounds like a robot

[terse lava]

Yeah he does, sounds oddly younger too

[west silo]

Man I really hope halo infinite development isn't in a state similar to anthem's

[jolly swift]

so is it true that during CE, the Forerunners were originally supposed to be ancient humans?

[west silo]

Go on

[jolly swift]

honestly anything is better than what happened to Anthem

[west silo]

Man imagine spending 5 years doing nothing

[jolly swift]

I'd venture to say that Halo 2 had a better, or at least comparable, development cycle

[west silo]

And then spending 1 year rushing the games development

Its even more funnier when you learned they rushed mass effect andromeda to make anthem

[jolly swift]

a tragedy

[west silo]

Man I really wonder how there going to justify going from thrusters to grappling hooks

[jolly swift]

spider-man > iron man

[west silo]

Pretty sure the movies wouldn't agree with you

But seriously why

Its just more gimmicky than the thrusters

[jolly swift]

it looks like it's just the default equipment

[west silo]

Thrusters were the default equipment

Gen3 is supposed to incorporate the best features of gen 1 and 2

And yet they replaced the best feature of gen 2 with something inferior?

Progress

[nimble crest]

Good evening boys

[west silo]

Good night

[terse lava]

Evening/night

[west silo]

It's pretty brutal what the forerunner Council did to the warrior servant cast

They were either forced to become builder security, exiled into cryptums or killed and had there souls given to some old guy

[terse lava]

Least it wasnt the fate of all of them

[west silo]

I don't know man

The rest became what they hated the most
Well other where put in tombs forever

[lean karma]

lol i dont know what your talking about, isnt half as bad as the fate of the precursurs

[west silo]

Nah the precursors enjoyed it

The forerunner Council pretty much order 66 an entire cast

[versed helm]

the forerunners either went into hibernation, went digital,or got flooded with maddness

nice

[jolly swift]

The descriptions for the AA cannons on the map in the gameplay trailer say "use the weapon to hack into the console and destroy them"

So if the weapon isn't referring to the cannons, what is the weapon?

[humble yacht]

we'll find out when the game comes out

[jolly swift]

My guess is it's referring to an AI Chief's using, or some kind of Forerunner tool

[humble yacht]

based on Discover Hope, chief doesn't have an AI

[jolly swift]

That's why I'm leaning toward it being some kind of tool, maybe a Forerunner device

It's not a proper noun, so maybe not plot relevant

But the phrasing is so confusing

It sounds more like something the Covenant would say

[humble yacht]

well it's in the middle of the game

we're obviously missing context

[jolly swift]

The UNSC tends to use something's actual name, the Covenant likes to use titles

Yeah, it's just so intriguing

[acoustic dock]

precouror tech is an exiting thought but not likley

[west silo]

I'd say less than likely

[jolly swift]

yeah

precursor anything showing up in game would be a massive deal

[stable flower]

So about those Marines in Halo 2's Gravemind.

[inner basin]

Only thing relating to the Precursors I want to see (if they want to throw anything in relating to them) is the reverse-stasis chamber that the Primordial’s physical form was destroyed in

Also don’t mistaken the Primordials conscious for his physical form, because I most definitely don’t want to see the Flood

[west silo]

Just don't let any dogs eat the dust in there

[inner basin]

There’s no dust. It was destroyed out of existence due to rapid ageing of thousands of years within seconds

[west silo]

Pretty sure it was just broken down to dust.

Still dead

[humble yacht]

It’s body died

But that’s a regular Tuesday for precursors

[faint stone]

ngl

we really should have a ingame explanation to the flood

never read the halo wars 2 one

but most people who play halo i've spoken to just think the flood came out of nowhere

[maiden crescent]

You really have to read some books or watch the terminals in order to get them

[inner basin]

The terminals don’t help explain the origin of the Flood, just what they did during both the Human-Flood war (very minimally) and the Forerunner-Flood war, more so the latter

[nimble crest]

Good evening

[craggy sierra]

The matter of where the flood came from was never really pertinent to any of the games stories.

Honestly it could never be pertinent.

[terse lava]

Pretty much, cant really are how the flood origins would be relevant in the games

[west silo]

Its still be nice to have some lore about them readily available in game

Instead of having to go internet hunting

[maiden crescent]

It isn’t necessary unless it’s an RPG, but it is still very nice when you get some backstory

[west silo]

It could do what the Phoenix logs did and have a little side story in there

[humble yacht]

Phoenix logs were less a side story and more like an almanac

Odst audio logs were a side story

[west silo]

Well I meant the awakening the nightmare Phoenix logs

The ones that had some stories from the banished perspective fighting the flood

[stiff creek]

Yeah.
Bad perspectives.

Not figuratively bad, just bad bad.

[west silo]

Cause there dead

[stiff creek]

Most of em, anyway.

[peak veldt]

New Mombasa don't exist after ODST right? It was glassed out of the way to dig up portal?

[terse lava]

Some of it remained on the outskirts of the portal

[west silo]

Wasn't voi the place glassed?

[terse lava]

Voi was yes

[vague scroll]

Mombasa was in the process of rebuilding by 2558 as part of Project Rebirth, an effort to rehabilitate Earth cities after the Battle of Earth

You can also still see the Mombasa skyline in the distance during the Halo 3 mission The Storm even though its physically impossible for that to have taken place, that said, the Mombasa skyscrapers are still standing by 2552/3

(when I say impossible, I mean that you shouldn't be able to see the skyscrapers because Voi is on the opposite side of the portal from Mombasa - the portal site is 117 kilometers across. The horizon only goes out to about 20 miles/32 kilometers) - could be a mirage but that's not really practical so just consider it a game inaccuracy

[peak veldt]

Probably they just stuck it there and didn't think of the geography

[vague scroll]

most likely

and it's a fun reference to H2/ODST for that matter

[terse lava]

Yea, I almost wish someone could remake that view with accurate sizes via art. Have the keyship just dominate the sky, with "small" carriers and cruisers around it

[west silo]

Yeah the games doesn't really do the keyship size justice

[terse lava]

Best one I ever saw was from Mythos during the start of the War of Beginnings. Thing consumes the skyline

[west silo]

Mythos doesn't get some art things wrong

Wasn't the crust of onyx that got blown into space facing the moon

In mythos the area that got blown off is below the planet

[dense pulsar]

By 2552 how much do you think an original xbox will be worth?

[west silo]

Nothing

Since id be surprised if it actually works

[hallow peak]

As worth as ancient artifact lol

[versed helm]

Depends who you ask. It'd be priceless for me

Nothing for a modern techie

[inner basin]

Well some record players go for pretty high prices nowadays even though they are very obsolete, so if there is an original Xbox was around by 2552 that works, I’d say you could find a bidder willing to put a lot of money into buying it (but that is if the human race still exists in 2552 as anything can happen over the next 5 centuries)

[round comet]

https://old.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/hxszo1/jxclarkes_analysis_of_the_hologram_in_the/

check this out

[inner basin]

Definitely is interesting. I had no idea that they had all those different details in there like religion and BT etc.

I just assumed it was name and rank and possibly listing their branch too

[humble yacht]

Some of that’s info seems superfluous for a death toll

[boreal bane]

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/pen-umbra

[gilded mason]

||So Castor is back for this book for some reason. And...a buggy racer.||

[inner basin]

Come on Ostral! I was looking forward to reading it... Way to spoil the canon fodder :((

[gilded mason]

Sorry. =(

[jolly swift]

maybe put a spoiler tag on that first message

[gilded mason]

Good idea

[jolly swift]

||finally, some recognition of the real leader of the Halo lore community, internet funnyman Brian David Gilbert||

[inner basin]

||This just makes me more excited for SoR and Halo Infinite (I feel that isn’t a spoiler but I’ll put the spoiler tag on anyways for good measure)||

[fair hazel]

yay

[shut dew]

Anyone else not excited for Shadows of Reach?

[humble yacht]

Im not particularly excited

I’m expecting it to basically shelve the created threat so infinite can ignore it altogether

[gilded mason]

It definitely feels like that.

[dusty prawn]

I can't wait to read it anyway, and hopefully it won't do that

[shut dew]

Like Legacy of Onyx shelved a possibly good interspecies civilian-centric story for another Forerunner doomsday device that was used to take down a guardian.

[dusty prawn]

Where they take it and how important it is going to be for the story might be completely different

[humble yacht]

No, not like that

[echo nebula]

I am always looking forward to new Halo book

[shut dew]

I know @humble yacht

[echo nebula]

First I read it, then I listen to it

[obsidian thistle]

I'm getting two editions lol. The normal version and the Wallmart version.

Best to be safe amiright. ;)

[shut dew]

Blue team is going to be shelved while Chief possibly gets the AI containment chip shown in Infinite's trailers, that's certain.

I'm going to buy the Walmart edition

[fair hazel]

I am very excited for it

Also legacy of onyx is one of my two faovurites

[jolly furnace]

Aye Forerunners have doomsday devices everywhere

There may even be one on the Ark

if Petra's speculation was right

And she didn't mean a Halo

[flat bone]

petra?

[nimble crest]

Your a Petra

[flat bone]

?

[gilded mason]

We are all Petra.

[nimble crest]

The inner Petra is beckoning you

[gilded mason]

@flat bone
https://www.halopedia.org/Petra_Janecek

[flat bone]

And she didn't mean Halo

even if they had other doomsday devices they are probably much smaller compared to the halo array

so petra is a petra

[inner basin]

We are all Petra.
Nani? O.o

[west silo]

Well this is petra

[acoustic dock]

q̶̉̓

[jolly furnace]

Well Forerunner doomsday devices are still much huger and damaging then anything Covies or humans can think up

[flat bone]

yes

but still

not galactic like the array

that we know of

[jolly furnace]

Yah not galactic but still bad

forerunners doomsday device will likely wreck a planet minimum

Heck some are even weapons

A simple miner ship can wreck a planet as part of ordinary operation

[west silo]

Wasn't the forerunner super weapon in legacy of onyx just a huragok?

Unless you guys meant the Guardian

[jolly furnace]

I dunno

i never read it

I think there's a Seeker or War Sphinx in Onyx

[west silo]

Yeah I think there was also a forerunner ship there

[jolly furnace]

Yah i think so too

[west silo]

The halo in shadow of intent

Did it kill using some sort of physic energy

[jolly furnace]

It used some kind of energy

Which vaporized whatever living thing it hit

of certain mass anyway

Unlike original Halos and later ones

[west silo]

Because I remember some people survive getting hit by it

They just ended up losing some of there memories

[jolly furnace]

I don't remember

[versed helm]

Could we say that the plasma rifle in Halo games is an energy assault rifle?
(It's said that it's a directed energy rifle and it's automatic)

[jolly furnace]

I guess so

[versed helm]

Ah ok thanks

What about spartan laser?It's called nonlinear rifle,so does it mean it's a rifle?

[jolly furnace]

I dunno

maybe

[median quiver]

yes

[onyx trench]

Anyone getting not enough space error when trying to launch games on xbox one x? I need help

[median quiver]

but only when the sun sets on an early field

[onyx trench]

Cant play any of my games

[versed helm]

Ah ok thanks

[faint stone]

spartan laser shoots a beam as well as needing 2 arms

ig it got classed as a rifle lol

my headcanon is it

it's powerful so they named it after spartans since they're stronk too

[flat bone]

Stronk

[inner basin]

it's powerful so they named it after spartans since they're stronk too
Unless a Spartan is called M6 Grindell/Galilean Nonlinear Rifle

[flat bone]

Then they named the Spartan after the rifle they named after a Spartan cuz it was stronk

[inner basin]

Fun fact, Gungnir was made in tangent with the M6G/GNR

[flat bone]

I’m getting confused with the grenadier

Idk why

[inner basin]

Maybe because they both start with G?

[flat bone]

Yeah I can see it going with the Spartan laser

I’m confused because I’m not cultured

[inner basin]

Tut tut

[flat bone]

Not because they both start with g

Lol

[inner basin]

Gungnir > Grenadier

Gungnir is the superior option imo

[flat bone]

Grenadier looks heavy

Just googled it

Don’t look heavy

Uncultured I am

[inner basin]

I mean all Mjolnir armours are heavy

[flat bone]

What did Johnson say in halo 3

He told the marines to get something to grab the chief

Right?

Forklift?

[inner basin]

He was calling in a VTOL

[flat bone]

...

[inner basin]

I’m p sure, I’d need to double check

[flat bone]

Sorry my brain don’t know what a vtol is

Vehicle to over lift

👍

[inner basin]

Okay the quote is “Radio for VTOL. Heavy lift gear”

[flat bone]

Ahhh

[inner basin]

Oh, VTOL is Vertical Take-Off and Landing btw

[flat bone]

Vertical take-off and landing > vehicle to over lift

Not too far off

[inner basin]

You were somewhat close

[flat bone]

Lol

[inner basin]

You definitely had the right idea, just the wrong words

[flat bone]

Warden can be annoying

Here and In-game

[inner basin]

He’s more annoying in-game imo, he always goes after me in WZFF. He can be avoided here as long as you keep it clean :))

[flat bone]

Ik

But I tried to say “lol”

And boom

Duplicate

But in game he is annoying true

He almost made me rage quit

When I did legendary he wouldn’t turn around

If I went behind him

Or ordered the others to

He would look at me always

[versed helm]

Ｔｈｅ　Ｗａｒｄｅｎ　ｉｓ　ａ　ｗｅｉｒｄ　ｏｎｅ

[faint stone]

pls cortana dont burn me from domain like i was gonna do to u boohoo

pls no

plsno no no

okay i will be ur boytoy now

[flat bone]

k

[young bolt]

Do any of you folks think the “Harbinger” faction that Escharum mentions in the gameplay reveal is a legion of covenant loyal to Cortana? That would explain why some of the enemies Chief fights don’t have the banished armor or aesthetic, but still cooperate with them. Just a thought, also harbinger literally means “A person or thing that announces or signals the approach of another”

[humble yacht]

Harbinger is probably not a faction

[carmine sleet]

There's just too little info on Harbinger to really speculate on what it might be

Given how Escharum refers to it, it's likely a single entity/being

[humble yacht]

Given that it’s a term that refers to a singular entity, it wouldn’t really fit as a name for a group

[round comet]

escharum gave us two terms, "harbinger" and "auditorium"

[humble yacht]

Auditorium is probably a place, housing a thing that the Banished want

[round comet]

yeah, my initial thoughts were "control room"

[humble yacht]

Maybe it’s their word for control room, maybe mendicant bias’s core facility, maybe a palace of pain

[round comet]

harbinger may just be cortana, although im not really convinced

[humble yacht]

I doubt it

[young bolt]

Well harbinger can be used to describe an entity as well as an individual, but the semantics can get tricky

[humble yacht]

Cortana wouldn’t be the herald for someone else. She’d be the one with the herald

[round comet]

maybe she's playing both sides, there'd be subterfuge on her behalf

yeah im not really convinced its cortana but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[young bolt]

My thought process was this:
Escharum‘s exact quote is ”The Harbinger, and The Banished share the same goal. We fight together to honor the will of Atriox!”
Now I’m no semantics or grammar expert, but the wording in this statement strikes me as him referring to a group as opposed to an individual, as Harbinger can also be used to describe a thing, not just a person

[inner basin]

But “The Harbinger” to me in this context doesn’t seem like it’d be a faction. You wouldn’t say “The Covenant and The Banished” for example

You would instead say “The Covenant and Banished”. Do you know what I mean?

Also Cortana doesn’t strike me as someone who’d give much care to Atriox and wouldn’t really have a need to play him either

Her goal is to force a universal peace

[humble yacht]

Harbinger is a noun. Banished is a participle

I.e. a verb used as an adjective

That’s why Banished can be plural

[rocky flame]

Some people theory The Harbinger is cortana lol

[humble yacht]

I think it’s more likely that the Harbinger is some forerunner entity or AI

Maybe the monitor of Zeta Halo

[rocky flame]

yeah thats true

[young bolt]

That makes sense, but keep in mind that The Banished’s title isn’t just “Banished” nor The Covenant’s just “Covenant”. The “The” is a part of their official title. The term “banished” is a participle, but the title “The Banished” is a noun, as it is the title of a group.
As for why they’re aligned, at the end of H5 Cortana basically recruited the remnants of Jul’s faction, which is one of the most unstable groups in lore. It would make sense that she would at least try to reach out and recruit The Banished, who are currently losing the war on the Ark. Maybe Atriox supplies Cortana with his massive army and in return she helps him with his war against Cutter

Like I said, I’m no grammatical expert, and I’m probably wrong but it could be a cool concept

[humble yacht]

While Banished is a proper noun, it’s still originally used as a participle

Harbinger refers to a person, in its base usage

Other groups whose names refer to a person use plural forms

Keepers of the One Freedom

Servants of Abiding Truth

The Covenant used a singular term to refer to a group of people because the word “covenant” doesn’t refer to a person

A covenant is an agreement, a bond

[young bolt]

Alright yeah that makes sense

Then The Harbinger might just be an AI, maybe it’s what the Banished call Zeta Halo’s monitor

[humble yacht]

Now since it’s fiction, they can do what they want, but using Harbinger to refer to a group would be awkward

Harbingers would make more sense for a group

[young bolt]

Yeah that sounds better, Escharum doesn’t strike me as someone who studied Language Arts in college so I guess we won’t know until they mention it in a Taco Bell ad or something

[humble yacht]

It would go against both Cortana and Atriox’s individual goals to team up

Atriox would never be subservient to another, that’s the whole reason he formed the banished

And Cortana wants to end all war, hiring mercenaries would be counterintuitive to that plan

Not to mention unnecessary when she has several guardians and an uncountable number of Promethean forces

The Warden alone could make up an army all himself

[young bolt]

While that is what Cortana says she’s going to do, she spends the last mission of the game recruiting the Storm Covenant, trying to kill Osiris and presumably killing hundreds of thousands of colonists with the Guardians’ EMPs so she’s not above violence to accomplish her goals. It’s like that episode of Futurama when Bender says “They will learn our peaceful ways, through force.” Also while the Cortana we see in Halo 5 claims she cured her rampancy, it’s obvious she has a screw loose whether it’s logic plague or something else. Atriox seems desperate to beat Cutter after he humiliated the Banished and trapped him on the Ark, so I could see him striking a deal with Cortana. That would also explain why Escharum is in command and not Atriox, because he put Escharum in charge of keeping Zeta Halo out of the UNSC’s reach while he continues his campaign against the Spirit of fire. He’s not being subservient, he’s sending one of his generals to command part of his army while he does his own thing

[humble yacht]

In the last mission of H5, the prometheans and covenant are not fighting on the same side

In fact iirc we see some hunters and knights duking it out during the level

As for atriox, while he obviously underestimated Cutter in the game, the ending clearly shows that he still has ample forces to challenge Cutter, and the look in his face is one such that he’s finally taking Cutter seriously

Besides, Atriox has no way of contacting Cortana and vice versa

[young bolt]

Towards the end of the game Atriox was so concerned he offered Cutter a chance to leave the Ark. That was before the UNSC destroyed his ship, which pissed him off immensely. If Atriox was unsure if he could beat Cutter before he lost his supercarrier, he definitely has doubts now. Cortana has control over the forerunner domain, she could absolutely contact Atriox, who’s trapped on a forerunner installation

[humble yacht]

Except she can’t

Cortana tried to contact the ark but the connection was cut

Also the ark is technically outside the Domain’s coverage

[round comet]

i dont see why she'd want to

anyway

[humble yacht]

It’s a nice installation to have control over

Also the halos can harm the domain

I imagine she’d like to avoid that

[carmine sleet]

Aye, plus, the potential of having the Ark as a base of operations outside the galaxy is one you can't ignore

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason behind Cortana attempting to contact the Ark

[humble yacht]

I searched halopedia for that but actually couldn’t find it

I feel like I remember reading it tho

Wondering if it was removed

[inner basin]

Spoiler from the new Canon Fodder. If you don’t want to know, do go read it then come back, or you want to remain in the dark for SoR or Infinite, then don’t read the following.
||Something that’s been on my mind since the Canon Fodder article last night is what if Castor joins/folds his forces into the Banished. I mean if you think about it, that could be the explanation for why there are a variety of colours of armour (besides the Banished crimson-red) for the Grunts, Brutes, Elites etc. Now I know they said in the article not to look to deep into the article for spoilers in the book or to look too deep into the book for what may happen in Infinite, but I can’t help but speculate if that’s the reason why. I mean it kinda makes sense, but we’re lacking a motive currently. Maybe in the SoR Castor loses a lot of his soldiers and so teams up with the Banished or something? Idk. This all just heavy speculation with little to no basis, but do let me know what you think||

[versed helm]

||is it possible that the harbinger refers to Castor's forces?||

[inner basin]

||I doubt it due to the context of the sentence, but I mean could be a possibility||

[round comet]

||Castor's forces? ok yeah i see that as a possibility||

[humble yacht]

Why are people so prone to thinking that Harbinger refers to a group?

[carmine sleet]

The Keepers of the One Freedom aren't likely to change their name to that either

[round comet]

Why are people so prone to thinking that Harbinger refers to a group?

i too think its more likely a single entity

but, its possible that it isnt

[inner basin]

Key word is possibility

Based on everything we know, it’s all practically possibilities that we are drawing up right now

[shut dew]

That still wouldn't be a good excuse for why the Banished's established aesthetic in HW2 regressed from how we saw them to Covenant-But-REd

[inner basin]

I think it’s a pretty good lore explanation. For gameplay reasons it may be used to be able to distinguish what rank you may be fighting for example. Also the Banished are definitely not like the Covenant btw

[stiff creek]

He/she meant the armor design in Infinite, I think.

In HW2, they're all jagged, scrappy metal plating clad momke.

In Infinite, seems like they're all smooth, reused Covenant stuph clad momke.

[jolly geode]

If the UNSC had all the technology and ships from the halo 5 era during the battle of reach would they have won?

[covert cairn]

Idk

[craggy sierra]

No because ships and firepower isn’t the issue.

[covert cairn]

Why did Masterchief not have nightvision in his Helmet in CE? Did his helmet not support it?

[jolly geode]

They only lost because of the space battles tho

Apparently land combat was never an issue

[craggy sierra]

The issue was that the UNSC in that era were spread thin out across all the colonies and planets owned by humanity.

They never had any solid clue as to the next place the covenant would crop up would be

Meanwhile the covenant could just plop in on any given planet with a fleet that dwarfes all local defenses and everything would pretty much be shagged by the time the UNSC even responded.

[jolly geode]

I could’ve sworn orbital defences were destroyed before they were even activated

[craggy sierra]

So just having newer ships wouldn’t have been able to counter the raw numbers the covenant just throw at planets

[jolly geode]

Tbf unsc infinity and spartan IV never existed right?

[covert cairn]

Yes

They happened during the gap bewteen 3 and 4

[craggy sierra]

They never existed during the war era.

[jolly geode]

It was forerunner tech

The infinity

[craggy sierra]

I think 4’s might’ve been getting off the ground just as it ended but yeah.

[covert cairn]

I don't think the IVs would be any match tho, the 3s and 2s dwarf them

[jolly geode]

Not that it would be a match

[craggy sierra]

Not really honestly

[jolly geode]

Just the sheer number of them

[craggy sierra]

Spartan 4’s in canon are just as capable

[covert cairn]

oh

[jolly geode]

Cos spartan ivs were mass produced

[covert cairn]

apparently d4mmit is a swear

[craggy sierra]

Spartan 4's are less naturally augmented but their armour has a much heavier capacity to pull heavy lifting on their behalf

[covert cairn]

ah yes, hordes of IVs could take on the covenant

[humble yacht]

The infinity existed, it was under construction during the war

[jolly geode]

Cos 2 and 3 took years to create

[humble yacht]

It’s unclear how close to being finished it was in 2552

[jolly geode]

Infinity wasn’t under construction cos forerunner tech wasn’t found yet

[craggy sierra]

Spartan 2s and 3s were also children

[covert cairn]

I still think 2s and 3s are better, they are almost born into it

[humble yacht]

Infinity was under construction

[craggy sierra]

Spartan 4s were actually willing adults

[humble yacht]

It was intended to be humanity’s last bastion of earth fell

[jolly geode]

What happened on earth after the war anyway

[craggy sierra]

The probably would've named it the ark if the Forerunners never took that name first

[jolly geode]

I know earth wasn’t even touched

Excluding Africa

And one American city

[stiff creek]

And Micronesia.

And Antarctica.

And the Yucatan Peninsula.

[humble yacht]

Lol

[stiff creek]

And the Chihuahua desert.

[covert cairn]

I'd like to see what the Banished could do with an Earth Invasion. Those Scarab plasma things do look menacing

[humble yacht]

Reqt

[stiff creek]

And Havana.

[jolly geode]

Banished would get wrecked so hard

[stiff creek]

And Brazil.

[craggy sierra]

In the grand scheme of Halo earth's kinda just another planet now.

[warped vessel]

earth was more of a symbolic planet at that point

[jolly geode]

Earth was where all the poor people lived

Reach was the most important I think

[humble yacht]

...

[covert cairn]

Since Earth is our home planet, I bet it would be such a demoralizer to have destroyed

[jolly geode]

Some colonies weren’t even found by the covenant

[humble yacht]

No

[warped vessel]

basically what UD said

[craggy sierra]

Humanity started from earth but at this point there's nothing really overly special there outside of the Ark portal.

[jolly geode]

RIP to harvest tho

Didn’t the whole war startbecause a grunt shot at Johnson

[stiff creek]

And Iran.

[covert cairn]

I thought a grunt tore the flesh of a marine off

[jolly geode]

At least earlier than it should have

[stiff creek]

Sorry, Pakistan.

[covert cairn]

So there were gunshots and the prophets chickened out

which made the war start

[jolly geode]

No brutes had to fire back and then they snitched

Not that it mattered lol

[covert cairn]

and a brute chieftain apparently killed the grunt who started it all

[jolly geode]

The moment humanity realised what the rings would do the peace treaty would’ve broken anyway

But it might’ve let them get intel on the covenant ships and the weaknesses

[covert cairn]

Yeah

I think it is kinda weird how the UNSC didn't realise sooner that a charged plasma pistol and a precision weapon is all you needed to take out an elite

They could have won sooner imo

[jolly geode]

Could just imagine Johnson lighting a cigar for a brute and the brunt getting scared of the lighter

[covert cairn]

I just realised that your profile pic is infact NOT Todd Howard... That took a while to notice

[jolly geode]

Like I said humanity won the majority of land battles

[covert cairn]

YEah

And then they got fried

[jolly geode]

It USED to be Todd Howard actually lol

[covert cairn]

huh

[jolly geode]

Todd could’ve single handedly destroyed the covenant

[covert cairn]

Lol

[jolly geode]

Sell one new game to them filled with viruses

[covert cairn]

breaking their hearts by lying

that would do it

[jolly geode]

The games would bug out the systems so much the ships would implode

Todd later dies trying to see what a glassing beam tastes like

[covert cairn]

lol

[jolly geode]

ONI covers the entire thing up with something called “the great schism”

In reality the elites just felt bad so they joined humanity

[gilded mason]

I don't remember that being said.

[jolly geode]

Bruh

[craggy sierra]

I’m pretty sure the elites outnumbered us population wise alone. And considering they had shields they had a capacity to take more than one bullet.

And that’s only their main ground forces. That’s saying nothing for stealth units with active camo and such that went largely uncontested on humanity’s side until super late in the war

And what we did make was much worse than what they had

Also plasma is far more deadly in canon than how it’s depicted in games too.

Overcharged plasma pistols and such won’t just EMP a warthog in canon. They’ll EMP it and turn half it into molten slag

So we were very much out numbered and outgunned in every engadgement

[jolly geode]

Yeah I heard the plasma shot actually one spotted you unlike the games where you could take like fifty shots

Like kats death when the nuke disabled their shields

[inner basin]

Earth was where all the poor people lived
Reach was the most important I think
This made me laugh so hard

[stiff creek]

could probably make the same assumption about present-day countries

[humble yacht]

Reach was largely a military installation, that’s why it was important. Remember the farmers in the beginning of the game? It’s not like they were super rich.

[faint stone]

just farmers

big cities

and mainly military

loads of mountains too hence it being a great place to train spartans

[west silo]

It's seems shadows of reach gives a good explanation for why there are covenant dressed members in the banished

[inner basin]

It might not. We really don't know yet

[west silo]

Yeah only leaks

[craggy sierra]

Fresh salvage haul?

Jul's Son auctioned off all their stuff?

[west silo]

How do you spoiler stuff?

[hot frigate]

an image?

[west silo]

A sentence

[hot frigate]

|| at the start

[west silo]

I wanna write something

[hot frigate]

at the end ||

so ||spoiler||

[west silo]

Alright

Thanks

[gilded mason]

Isn't there a spoiler chat.

[west silo]

Are those an phone?

I can't find it

[humble yacht]

#485883236430512168

Shadows of Reach spoilers would be an appropriate use of that channel

[jolly swift]

is there a lore reason why Chief hasn't gotten a promotion, or at least a medal?

[west silo]

Admiral doesn't have the same ring to it has chief

[craggy sierra]

Didn’t H2 literally open on him getting a medal for CE?

[west silo]

I don't think the medals really added to his rank

Plus isn't it state that chief has every medal except prisoner of war

[jolly swift]

Nah just Johnson and Miranda got medals, I don't think he even got a thank you

[west silo]

Obviously because he has all of them

[jolly swift]

does he have a Killionaire?

[west silo]

"Looks at first strike"
Maybe

Most likely

[jolly swift]

so I might read SoR since it's gonna lead into Infinite somewhat, but I don't really know anything about the other two MC novels

[inner basin]

Troy said SoR works well as a stand-alone story

[west silo]

Well yeah it takes place in the post war period

Just probably expect some small character cameos

Troy really loves doing that

[inner basin]

I really can’t see any cameos happening with this book from the other 2 considering how far into the post-war period it is. With the others books he could to that because they weren’t too far away from each other compared to the big time jump we’re dealing with here

[west silo]

Our favorite brute will be in it

[humble yacht]

Dead brute?

[cedar glacier]

Someone talk about Soren

[terse lava]

He's a carbonized skeleton, there

[stable flower]

Someone talk about the mid-2100s.

[stiff creek]

Brazil jungle fighting.
Europa fighting.
Luna fighting.
UNSC is formed because fighting amongst ourselves bad.

Boom.
Mid-2100's.

Oh, and fascism or socialism or something.

[stable flower]

The Friedens and Koslovics must have had the power of a nation-state because they managed to go to war with the UN across different planets.

Maybe that's why they called it the Interplanetary War.

[versed helm]

So, would the innies be classified under any such group, or are they just rebels?

[inner basin]

Well they’d be classed as Insurrectionists...

[pale zephyr]

[glad juniper]

@jolly swift this is extremely late in comparison to when you sent the message about Johnson and Miranda getting medals and chief not getting a thank you does he really need any medal or anything though?

[stiff creek]

"No soldier should be honored for doing what is expected."

[craggy sierra]

Is stopping eldreich horror space zombies and almost ending all life in the galaxy in the job description?

[carmine sleet]

Last I checked it wasn't

[stiff creek]

maybe it is

[humble yacht]

the job description is just "follow orders". so, if you get ordered to do it, it's your job

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[inner basin]

What if an order is in a grey-area? Do you follow it or allow your humanity to take over?

[humble yacht]

depends on how bad you need your job

[inner basin]

So if you really need a job but are asked to kill innocent civilians who witnessed something they shouldn’t have, would you?

This is from like an ONI spook point of view btw

[humble yacht]

well me personally, I have savings and no family so I could afford to go unemployed for awhile

Chief doesn't seem like the kinda guy who was smart enough to put away a little of each paycheck

[vague scroll]

you know, the lore regarding New Phoenix has generally confuses me at times. It being the 4th largest city in the URNA after Chicago, New York and Los Angeles doesn't really seem to take Mexico City into account unless previous understandings that the URNA was a combination of the US, Mexico, and Canada don't hold up anymore?

[round comet]

so uh

p sure cortana isnt the harbinger

so who else

[humble yacht]

i always thought that

Cortana doesn't bring the storm. She is the storm

[carmine sleet]

My guess is harbinger is someone acting as an envoy of sorts for the Created to the Banished

[humble yacht]

why would they treat with the Banished at all?

[carmine sleet]

Who knows? Maybe Harbinger is tricking them or something. Which I do realise means they're not so much an envoy since envoys shouldn't be tricking people into helping them

Honestly, there's just too little info that it's hard to come up with a solid theory

[snow halo]

This is a question that I've always had: what exactly is Cortana? In Reach, we see her as this like cylinder thing, then in CE we see her as a chip, in Halo 2 she can like go into chief hand and move through there and also through High Charity, and then in the end of 4 and in 5 she's kinda just like a physical body that's just there so what is Cortana exactly?

[round comet]

cortana is an AI construct

[humble yacht]

Cortana's matrix has had several vessels

most commonly it existed in a data chip that could go in Chief's armor

[jolly swift]

like uploading a file to a usb drive

[humble yacht]

in Reach, we met a fragment of cortana that was encased in a protective drive

likely due to the sensitive nature of the info she carried

[vague scroll]

@snow halo the cylinder you're thinking of in Reach is a cage containing the CE data chip in free suspension if you look closely

[snow halo]

but what about near the end of 4 and 5

[carmine sleet]

She was in a chip in most of Halo 4

In Halo 5 she was in the Domain

[humble yacht]

In Halo 4, her data chip is destroyed by the didact while she's in his ship's systems

but she creates hard light avatars of herself to save the Chief

later she ends up in the Domain and can theoretically create hardlight projections anywhere

[round comet]

she can also do magic

[humble yacht]

or at least anywhere where forerunner tech exists

[wispy wasp]

If the brutes had previously nuked themselves back to the stone age, is it possible that they might do it again?

[jolly swift]

we just won't give them any more nukes

also, they're no longer living on just a single planet, so it'd be a lot harder

[wispy wasp]

That would just mean there would be a bigger conflict

[jolly swift]

not necessarily

not every Brute across the galaxy would get involved

[fair hazel]

All these people getting their shadows of reach early... we’ll see 😤

[wispy wasp]

Obviously they just set their computer clock forward

[snow halo]

or use vpn

lel

[round comet]

i did post some uh interesting spoilers from the book

in spoiler chat

but im guessing everyone wants to go in blind

i genuinely dont care about spoilers i just want info ASAP

[peak veldt]

So Mark VII armor will look like Mark V?

[humble yacht]

the original Mark VII was modeled after Mark V [b]

but GEN3 Mark VII is pretty unique

[stable flower]

Do Promethean weapons have a chance at killing an entity without digitizing it?

[snow halo]

I think Shadows is going to be to Infinite as what Fall of Reach was to CE

[humble yacht]

promethean weapons don't digitize

that's what the composer does

Promethean weapons have a tendency to disintegrate bodies

[snow halo]

oh wait

[stable flower]

I ask because in Halo 5, in the cutscene where Jul dies, Holly kills an Elite with a Light Rifle and he doesn't disintegrate.

[humble yacht]

lightrifles never disintegrated bodies

you got that from the scattershot, binary rifle, and incineration canon

and maybe also the alt fire on the original boltshot

[jolly swift]

why is it that Six was able to survive and recover from a fall from orbit on his own, meanwhile Chief usually needs to hitch a ride on debris and have someone else unlock his armor in 3?

[humble yacht]

6 had a re-entry pack

[jolly swift]

what would that consist of?

[humble yacht]

probably a parachute of some kind

[inner basin]

I’d assume it’d consist of something to slow down his decent, which very well could be a parachute of some sorts. I mean we do know he was still hurt from the landing as he was limping for a while, and by looking at his health bar once we were given control to play

[unique rune]

Concept art for the re-entry pack shows it with thrusters that would hopefully be there for slowing descent instead of... well.

[stable flower]

Sorry, it's been a while since I last played Halo 4 so I forgot how some Promethean weapons work.

[fair hazel]

lightrifle burns thorugh and stuff but doesnt do full body disintegration

neitehr does the boltshot

[jolly furnace]

I kinda wish Ancient humanity ships didn;t have the bridge exposed like in the Halo 4 terminals
Its better to have a starship bridge in the middle of the ship
Like on the Truth and Reconciliatin
Granted Mantle's Approach has the same issue
You would think 2 civilizations with eons of space travel would have less exposed bridges on their command ships

[shut dew]

Either Aesthetics or the "Science Fiction Writers Have No Sense of Time" cliché

[jolly furnace]

You mean no sense of safety

And common sense

I get the whole inspired by sea vessels design thing

but thats utterly impractical in space

[shut dew]

2 civilizations with eons of space travel
I was talking about the common trope where thousands of years pass and nothing happens in a civilization , not experiencing any real technological and cultural growth unless the mainline entries demand it.

[jolly furnace]

Oh

Yah that didnt happen here

Forerunners advanced quite alot

[fair hazel]

😋

[jolly furnace]

They did go back adn forth

on the scale

So did AH

Nice one ericky

[hot frigate]

Ooh

[snow halo]

is Craig an actual character in halo canon and if not do you think he will ever be one

[carmine sleet]

Craig is a meme created by the community

While 343i have embraced the meme, that does not mean Craig is a canon character

[snow halo]

I mean they already made it xbox's official mascot

[carmine sleet]

Pretty sure Craig isn't the official mascot

[jade hollow]

He should be

[snow halo]

another question how are some people getting Shadows of Reach early do you have to like have something to do with 343 or something

[carmine sleet]

Influencers

[snow halo]

ah that makes sense like I know Halo Follower got a copy early

[fair hazel]

I got my copy of next to me

[jolly swift]

I'll probably get it if it turns out to be a good prelude to Infinite

[jolly furnace]

I hope for more content to bridge the gap between this book and Infinite now

Since the delay

[inner basin]

So where do you guys think Atriox got his ODST BDU chestplate from? I like to believe he got it from his raid on the Carter Guard Armoury, which would make sense because ODSTs were stationed there. P.S If it was mentioned anywhere, do correct me, if not then have fun speculating an answer :))

[stiff creek]

I think the same.
Carter Guard.

[west silo]

Is that the unsc base from the RoA comic?

[nimble crest]

Just started retribution

Pretty good so far

[wispy wasp]

How were the covenant unable to find any halo rings in the thousands of years they existed but humanity can find a ring by just jumping blindly?

[gilded mason]

Space is really big.

As for the rings, Cortana had the coordinates for 04's location, Regret had 05's, and 03...was really, really dumb.

[wispy wasp]

I just think it's a bit of a stretch especially with technology like slipspace that they weren't able to find any rings until 2550

[gilded mason]

I mean, only 04 was in Covenant/Human space. And space is way too big to really stumble upon something by accident except by some miracle.

[wispy wasp]

are the halo rings stationary?

[gilded mason]

Relatively.

I assume all of them just orbit the planet/moon/star that they're near.

[wispy wasp]

ok

[terse lava]

I would think the sole reason they may leave their default area would be if a stellar danger entered the system. A wandering black hole or rouge star for example

And have to admit, I keep forgetting 05 is on the other side of the galaxy.

[west silo]

Soo is the armor that chief wearing the 5 the same from 4?

[stiff creek]

Nope.

[west silo]

Is the one in 5 better?

Because he survived a fall from orbit in it in 4 and buck was pretty sure he wouldn't be able to survive despite being in more advanced armor

[ocean ibex]

Is there any other form of protection against infection forms besides energy shielding? Maybe like a very resilient metal/substance?

[west silo]

Strong armor

With no exposed bits

[limber flower]

I just finish the ODST data log

and

my heart

D: I kind of wish to know what happen after wards

[gilded mason]

New Blood and Bad Blood kinda goes into it.

[limber flower]

MIND TELLING ME?

[gilded mason]

Basically Sadie and Vergil become a team working for the UNSC. They get into hijinks like getting kidnapped by rebels, and escaping the Created onto the Infinity.

[limber flower]

dannnng that sounds like fun

what happen to the cop?

[gilded mason]

The good one?

[limber flower]

yup

[gilded mason]

Nothin' more was written about him.

[limber flower]

awww

[west silo]

Yep Mike's gone

[limber flower]

boo they could had at least give him a dip info

to see what happen to him

[gilded mason]

Perhaps one day.

[limber flower]

oh will

tomorrew am getting the reach data pads

then halo 1 2 3

[inner basin]

Is that the unsc base from the RoA comic?
@west silo Yeah Carter Guard Armoury is indeed the base that Atriox’s forces attack in RoA.

[fair hazel]

I finished reading it

[livid hearth]

https://youtu.be/Coks-M0MNxY

is this accurate

[nimble crest]

Was the spartan IIIs that still had SPI after 2551 get shields or did they never get them

[craggy sierra]

idk if it was ever really commented on but I'd assume they did when they got grandfathered into the Spartan 4 program at the very least.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong

[faint stone]

wonder what surviving spartan 3s do

i know a few are headhunters as well as 4s

[carmine sleet]

Depends, some train S-IVs, a pair are on Onyx, others are active duty

[nimble crest]

How many SIIIs are still alive

[faint stone]

how many were made

then like

-10000000000000000000

because they all got bummed badly

alright there were 300

[carmine sleet]

There was about 300 in each company of S-IIIs, most of Alpha and Beta companies were killed, leaving Gamma, not certain what the status of them all is, but they're more than likely in active duty

[ocean ibex]

Was the spartan IIIs that still had SPI after 2551 get shields or did they never get them
@nimble crest SPI armor is basically the boot leg version of MJOLNIR, they didn’t get energy shields, III’s were meant to be expendable soldiers, you prob don’t want them to die with a multi billion dollar suit.

[faint stone]

don't gamma have crazy af augmentations

that make them go broot mode

[ocean ibex]

I think so

Every spartan 3 did too so

[faint stone]

S3s were asked to be spartans

so they got sucky armour lol

but noble team lucked out bcuz plot

and got mjolnir

[craggy sierra]

I still feel like saying Spartan 3's got "asked" is a bit of a false narrative

[ocean ibex]

They got it for a reason, idk what the reason is tho

They exploited children’s hate for the covenant

[faint stone]

well

they were asked by saying 'do this for revenge'

[craggy sierra]

Mostly because they were 6 year old orphan children being manipulated into having the program sound like something they actively wanted.

[faint stone]

so they were given a choice

but at a young age

[craggy sierra]

That's not asking. That's coercing.

[faint stone]

bruh

[carmine sleet]

Every spartan 3 did too so
Only the gammas got extra augments
but noble team lucked out bcuz plot
Noble Team consists of 5 S-IIIs that were pulled from their companies before they were killed and one Spartan II, they got Mjolnir so they could be more effective

[faint stone]

so lucked out

[ocean ibex]

Not really

[faint stone]

because those certain 5 were 'pulled'

[craggy sierra]

I mean they got pulled for reasons

[faint stone]

like

bruh no essay today

[craggy sierra]

The game kinda fails to show what these reasons are since they are always ineffective in gameplay and die without much of a fight.

[faint stone]

lol

[craggy sierra]

But it's implied that it's because they were good at their jobs...apparently.

[ocean ibex]

Facts, Emile is just all bark, no bite

[faint stone]

well

he did scratch a skull into his helm to spook aliens

[ocean ibex]

And insurgents yes

[faint stone]

whilst also getting yeeted

time and time again

[craggy sierra]

He damaged a multi-million dollar piece of expensive millitary hardware to look edgy.

[faint stone]

only time he's effective is when he kills elites who killed him

[ocean ibex]

I’ve never seen Emile kill anyone with his kukri

And he’s an “expert”

[faint stone]

that kukri is all show

and you could say if chief had that on his helm he'd get called satan by the covies

or they might just laugh

[ocean ibex]

It outclasses almost every melee weapon so I don’t think the kukri is all show

[faint stone]

yet

he doesn't use it

lol

aka

[craggy sierra]

I wish they showed Halsey stifling a laugh upon seeing Emile cause she had to have burst out laughing after they left.

[faint stone]

just for show

'who's this edgelord picking on a spartan 2'

'when that 2 could chew him up for breakfast and spit out a roid'

[ocean ibex]

Emile and Kat are the weakest members

[faint stone]

kats iq is big tho

physically joorgie could crush everyone

[craggy sierra]

But for real though, Halsey is really condescending towards any Spartans outside of her twos and she had to have been giggling when she saw a 3 walk in with a defaced set of armour done just to look cool.

[ocean ibex]

Jorge was the only she liked

[craggy sierra]

Jorge was a Spartan 2

[faint stone]

well

halsey had a ego

[ocean ibex]

She saved the human race so she had the right to

[faint stone]

seeing that ONI made spartans without her would make her be a jerk towards them

secretly jealous

well she still has tha tego

probably even bigger at this point

[craggy sierra]

She did but also she kinda wasn't wrong about the Spartan 3s. They went and mostly died while being equally as morally bankrupt as her own project that she's still very guilty over.

[ocean ibex]

Well yeah but it’s true

[craggy sierra]

Jealousy has nothing to really do with her emotions to the Spartan 3 program

[faint stone]

u shure

[craggy sierra]

Pretty sure

[ocean ibex]

@faint stone why would she be jealous of an inferior generation of Spartans

[faint stone]

she didn't get to make them lol

'damndaniel it oni u did it again'

[craggy sierra]

Jealously implies there's anything to even be personally gained from it that someone got robbed of

I don't think she was getting paid anymore during her time on the program then when not

[ocean ibex]

Halsey has nothing to do with the 3’s

[craggy sierra]

And there's no public recognition to be had from making the Spartans given the fact that they're kidnapped kids so any mention of their history is going to forever be kept from the public

[ocean ibex]

Lmao yeah, you don’t want humanity’s savior to be a brainwashed 6 year old child

[craggy sierra]

huzzah for military indoctrination

[plush axle]

Huzzah!

[ocean ibex]

Huzzah!

#TheUNSCArmyneedssomelove

Bruh why are ODSTs part of the marines when they’re basically paratroopers and they literally have trooper in their name

[craggy sierra]

Are they part of the marines? I thought they were their own branch entirely.

It just so happens putting them together on ships is more efficient.

[ocean ibex]

Yes they are

I kind of have a problem with that

[faint stone]

marines are apart of the navy

well

should be

[ocean ibex]

They’re their own separate branch wdym

The marines just work with the navy really well

[faint stone]

well uk marines are a branch of the brit navy

[craggy sierra]

I mean if we’re being realistic you should be more upset with the fact we decided to re-visit the concept if paratroopers but this time from space.

[ocean ibex]

Idk, the army should have the odst’s honestly

Paratroopers are associated with the army

[faint stone]

errrr

[craggy sierra]

Uh...

[faint stone]

RAF

[craggy sierra]

You do also realize that Halo is a sci-fi space game right?

[faint stone]

yes

[craggy sierra]

And the army in Halo still primarily resides on the ground.

[faint stone]

wait hold on no

what the are u fr?????

halo isn't real????????????

so why do people here get upset over its lore!!?!?!?!!

[ocean ibex]

I’m not upset, just kind of bugged

[craggy sierra]

Pairing them with the army is like saying the people who’s jobs it is to literally get dropped in from space should remain on the ground

[faint stone]

well

in real life they're paired with the army

aka paratroopers

[ocean ibex]

Pretty sure the army has their own paratrooper divisions separate from ODSTs

[faint stone]

probs yeh

makes sense for that

drop from pelicans lol

[craggy sierra]

I’m pretty sure paratroopers don’t exist anymore

[faint stone]

u shouldn't be so sure bro

[ocean ibex]

It’s on halopedia I think

[faint stone]

since odsts have a risk of dying lol

[ocean ibex]

Ofc lol, they go on missions even Spartans can’t handle

[faint stone]

so it seems like a smart choice to have paratroopers still lol

[ocean ibex]

The marines are still the smallest branch I think

[faint stone]

yes

the smallest in 343 games too 😢

[craggy sierra]

But the marines are also the more mobile division that would have more use out of ODSTs

[ocean ibex]

The Army can perform offensive campaigns as well, they’re the biggest branch in the UNSC too

[faint stone]

god waffle

to quote you

'the halo universe doesn't center around the marines yknow'

changed it from chief to marines

yessir

[ocean ibex]

Facts everytime a marine dies I restart the checkpoint

[craggy sierra]

You’re right it doesn’t but Marines irl more frequently handle naval based deployments. In the era of space war, space is the navy.

[faint stone]

yeh

i restart a cp everytime too my fav radio marine dies

and meh marines still small tho

[craggy sierra]

So it makes sense that the people who’s job description is to drop in from space are paired with the people who do space based troop deployment more frequently.

[faint stone]

tbh

odsts usually handle ops in small groups

[native grove]

if space is navy than everything is nav

y

[ocean ibex]

I agree then, but first they need to take out trooper from their name

[faint stone]

so pairing them with marines isn't the best

since different tactics

[ocean ibex]

You can’t call a marine a soldier or a trooper

[faint stone]

without making the odst angry 😠

[craggy sierra]

The army in Halo largely translates to local ground defense forces for the planet itself. They don’t get shipped around frequently unless something super urgent comes up.

Like most of the people serving the Army on Reach have probably not actually left Reach before.

[ocean ibex]

To me I feel like the Army should be the bulk of every offense, they can afford to lose more cassualties than marines

Well yeah, most marines and troopers stationed there were glassed

[humble yacht]

When a war spans many planets, you can’t just go around moving a planet’s complement of army troops to a different planet

[craggy sierra]

I feel like being told you’ll be able to go see the galaxy on the government’s dime probably has a bit heftier recruitment turnovers in the Halo universe for Marines than the modern day.

[humble yacht]

The navy is the mobile component of the UNSC

[craggy sierra]

Like irl it’s like “go risk your life in the marines to go see a bunch of desert” but I imagine the promises of seeing distant planets 500 years in the future is a bit more alluring.

I’d probably sign up for that.

Wouldn’t sign up for modern military though.

[ocean ibex]

Personally I would choose the army