Yep
#lore-and-universe
terse lava
hollow sorrel
and didn't the precursors belive that the humans deserved the mantle of responsibility?
unique rune
They intended to pass the Mantle to humanity rather than the Forerunners, yes.
vagrant hawk
yep
west silo
Probably would have done the same thing to the humans they were planning to do to the forerunners
hollow sorrel
so why do the flood attack the humans? I mean I know there have been occasions where they let them live, but why most of the time are ver hstile to us?
vagrant hawk
the Flood want to infect all sentient life in the galaxy
hollow sorrel
But would't that ruin the whole MoR thing
vagrant hawk
maybe its because most of the time its a stage 1 outbreak as they don't have a proto Gravemind yet
unique rune
The process that led to Precursors becoming the Flood is the key reason why
vagrant hawk
I know hiddenX has a vid on it
unique rune
After their “defeat” by the Forerunners, some (I think most) of the surviving Precursors converted themselves into a sort of dust that they would later reconstitute themselves from
unique rune
Problem is, over time the dust became corrupted, and their ideals with it
So in order to seek revenge on the Forerunners and prevent any such rebellion from their creations from happening again, the now-Flood sought to assimilate all sentient life into a singular consciousness, with no more individual free will
hollow sorrel
so the flood just became corrupted?
gilded mason
Like spoiled food.
hollow sorrel
And so how powerful were the precursors? Did they lose the war and become the flood on purpose, just fail, or what?
grave swift
I think about that. That's what we are initially told along with humanity is to be tested. Then the Gravemind said consuming all life into endless pain so nobody could rise up against the Precursors again was part of the plan.
hollow sorrel
“Endless pain” yikes. Flood infection must be horrifyingly sickening
hollow sorrel
So how did they lose to the forerunners?
grave swift
They probably did it on purpose. Might also depend on their form since they have reset themselves numerous times from spacefarers with untold numbers of planets to occupiers of single worlds with primitive tech to everything inbetween.
craggy sierra
The answer is “it’s vague”
And probably never going to be explained in any great detail.
grave swift
Which is cool with me.
gilded mason
Yeh
craggy sierra
Preferred even
grave swift
Far as I'm concerned, I don't think anyone should care about their plan. Either they are trying to make everyone melt into endless torment or trying to have one species rule over others and thats been a disaster thus far. Advanced dont mean smart.
hollow sorrel
Maybe their own plan got out of their hands, maybe what the flood has become wasn’t their intentions
grave swift
The Primordial exists within the Gravemind, I fear the plan didn't get out of hand.
grave swift
Unless he was put their intentionally to be found.
craggy sierra
The flood have kinda hit a dead end with their story.
grave swift
I don't think so. Thus far we've fought outbreaks and relatively minor forces. It has not gotten close to the Flood at their peak. They exist in the fringes ready to return whenever.
west silo
Actually no
If they were everyone would be dead
Galaxy flood is pretty much end game
Unless you meant the ones on undiscovered halos
craggy sierra
Yeah no
opal birch
The flood have kinda hit a dead end with their story.
Yeah let's not have them come back
craggy sierra
Civilizations thousands of years technologically more advanced than us lost to the flood. We canonically cannot beat the flood on all out war.
grave swift
The galaxy needs to continue to develop, alliances made, technology improved and the Flood's return being the thing to see if all that really sticks.
craggy sierra
Not unless we pull some Mass Effect 3 deus ex machina crucible bs out if our butts.
dire oriole
Lol, we can only hope
craggy sierra
We’re talking about literally thousands upon thousands of years in universe before we might even stand a chance against winning that war.
Not while the universe is still reeling from the last war we had less than a decade ago.
grave swift
I don't think it will require deus ex machina handwaving. One of the Chief problems with the Forerunners is they had no allies to turn to and therefore left most of the galay easy prey to the Flood. What we lack in tech we may make up for in creative thinking,
craggy sierra
No the forerunners had lots of allies in the races they subjugated
Also I think they outnumbered like every race in the galaxy in their prime.
Right now any single one of the covenant races out numbers humanity like 10 to 1 after the war.
grave swift
Those species they kept far below them in terms of technology so they could not challenge their dominance. At best, they might have been able to root out human holdouts after that war, but they kept them weak and realtively defenseless.
And allies is a very strong word.
craggy sierra
There’s still really nothing you can do to eliminate all the flood in an all out war. Or at least sensibly depict it in a game.
The only way you could fathomably ensure that all flood from an engagement are killed would be in ship to ship engagements in the vacuum of space. Going in on ground engagements on them would just be dumb and throw more fire on the flames.
grave swift
As of now, no. But the Flood being in the fringes to arrive at a later date gives the galaxy time to develop to a point where resistence may be possible. I gotta be honest, I feel the leaders that exist now in the Halo universe probably are smarter than the Forerunners from the past.
craggy sierra
That point is still going to be many lifetimes after the entire current cast is dead
grave swift
It might take a long time, but I don't see the problem with that. And who knows what solutions may arise between now and then.
Only thing is we might have to take the fanbase kicking and screaming to an end without Chief.
terse lava
Yeah, I would be fine with the series ending without chief
Although I don't hink it would have mattered if the Forerunners had allies. Closest would have been AH and they were getting wrecked by the flood
grave swift
It might not have mattered much, but a whole galaxy unable to defend itself properly because the Forerunners insisted on running the show didnt help for sure.
west silo
Why does this sound like the plot of mass effect
terse lava
That is quite true but I gotta give the forerunners credit in two things over ancient humans. 1. They were able to keep the flood quarantined to a few star systems for 300 years. 2. They did prepare a failsafe in the form of the arks
west silo
290 actually
terse lava
Eh yeah
west silo
Slientium implies the last year's of the war lasted for 10 years
terse lava
Yep
west silo
And the librarian made a prediction that the flood would have over ran the galaxy in 300 years
Wow was she right
grave swift
At least the survivors had the good sense to go, "You know, maybe we should bounce since we are essentially responable for this."
west silo
That sounds kinda harse
terse lava
Eh i would hold the primordial as the guilty party. Didnt Primordium imply the thing was "young/child-like"
west silo
The remaining forerunners weren't responsible for it
grave swift
That was basically their mindset
west silo
It was there long dead ancestors
grave swift
Bornstellar himself acknowledges he and their spcoety lived on the privledge of those ancestors and their generation and those befpre them set the stage for the Flood.
west silo
The forerunner society barely even knew about the precursors
grave swift
But they perpetrated the civilization, conquest and control, that those ancestors facilitated.
west silo
Especially since all the ones involved with the genocide were either killed or abandoned
But they perpetrated the civilization, conquest and control, that those ancestors facilitated.
@grave swift
The ancestors not the current society
The forerunners were being a bunch of dic*s tho
grave swift
The ones who were left were those who did not participate
west silo
And the ones who committed the genocide
terse lava
More so they didnt want to finish the genocide
west silo
We just know the forerunners erased the event from there history
Even saying that the precursors just gave them the mantle and died peacefully
terse lava
More so warped it into an expedition of exploration rather then a war
grave swift
All I'm saying is that the society that Bornstellar and his people found themselves in had its roots in that ancient rebellion and was rotten to the core. Evidently, the survivors decided the galaxy could do fine without them.
terse lava
Although now we do have mythos backing up the idea of Precursors planning on wiping out Forerunners.
west silo
You think the precursors were created by something
Warfleet kinda implied something like it
With its description of the precursors
terse lava
I dont recall Warfleet making that claim
grave swift
Forerunners were apparently made to be enforcers. Surprising they rebelled lol
west silo
Well it said something of the precursors having infinite forms but only a singular purpose
terse lava
I still hold a theory the Forerunners were charged with erasing other races deemed failures by the Precursors.
Yea, their own singular purpose
west silo
It sounds like they themselves don't have any other function other than to create
The primordial even said that there erg to create is unchangeable or something
Sounds like they were created or at least the main purpose is to create life
terse lava
He did say that yes, that they had to create
terse lava
That claim was about information the precursors had access too. 100 billion years of info does not mean a literal 100 billion years
terse lava
I recall it yes
west silo
He does admit he doesn't believe it
But the mind insist
And why would the gravemind lie to him ?it already had him under its control
That claim was about information the precursors had access too. 100 billion years of info does not mean a literal 100 billion years
@terse lava
To be honest going with this logic the internet has more than a 100 billion years of knowledge
And if you mean every living person in the galaxy
There's a forerunner planet with a population of 200 billion
terse lava
The best example I can recall was Bungie saying shortly after ODST dropped that they had enough game data to equal a century or so
terse lava
2009
west silo
Wow that long ?
And they still used the halo 3 engine?
terse lava
Yea? H3 came out in 2007
west silo
Well we can agree on one thing the precursors are old
terse lava
Odst was originally met as a DLC for halo 3 so it makes sense
west silo
Well the ctan only eat stars
terse lava
And souls
west silo
Until the necrons made them taste souls
terse lava
Mhm
terse lava
Well the ctan did get a worse deal then the precursors
west silo
The precursors are ctans that got into the halo confirmed
Well the cyan did get a worse deal then the precursors
@terse lava
Well they did get cool robot bodies
And were winning
Until one clown decided to betray the necrons and everything went to hell
terse lava
Usually how it goes with ancient races
jolly furnace
Forerunners screwed up. They had Flood contained to 12 systems for 290 years and didn't finish it off when they had the chance.
As for Precursors age, I assume they predate the Big Bang
west silo
Well they thought the flood could be cured
jolly furnace
Also I wonder if Greg Bear's deist belief had a role in shaping his depiction of Precursors or in his writing of Forerunner Saga.
west silo
That it was a disease meant to be healed
Faber actually had the right idea he was just a jerk about it
The San shyuum don't know about the cure
Well better just kill them all
jolly furnace
The San Shyuum or one of them did know of it
but he was killed
Also the cure never actually existed
AH and san shyuum thought the cure actually worked
west silo
I know
Man Faber was dumb
He came to talk to the elder about the cure and ended up killing him
Right as his ship got there
jolly furnace
Faber didn't know he knew the cure anyway I think
west silo
That was the entire reason he came there
To get info from him about the cure
He just didn't expect him to be home
versed helm
Faber was a weird one
He wanted the Builder class to.be the most powerful, but messed it all up so beautifully
fair hazel
the werid thing about new mombassa's uplift reserve
is that the ticket parking welcome center place seems to be... further along the highway than the bridge
west silo
So do covenant weapons have trackers on them?
versed helm
Nope
west silo
Am pretty sure there was something that said they did
Its how they found some human worlds and outpost
wispy wasp
has the cockpit of a phantom or spirit ever been shown?
gilded mason
They modeled one in Halo 2
west silo
Are the covenant vehicles actually called what they are in game?
chilly robin
probably by humans yes
west silo
Because in slient storm the humans just called them ghost and in oblivion the the humans gave the wraiths it name
wicked prawn
A giraffes 🍆 is 4 feet long
frank copper
Hey that’s pretty off-topic man, don’t make me beat you up
winged salmon
west silo
The fall of reach comic?
If that one yes
If your talking a fist full of arrows
Then no
obsidian thistle
It diverges from books near the end so much First Strike cant happen.
obsidian thistle
The current way to do "adaptions" is...
Og version canon
Non-contradicting stuff in the adaptions are canon.
Contradictions are non-canon unless stated by 343i themselves.
Stuff entroduced in impossible stuff exists. But may not be present in the impossible stuff.
So essentially anything that doesnt break canon is safe
Anything that does isnt
Its the main reason the FoR "Bootcamp" comic is outstanding. And the FoR "Invasion" comic is not.
west silo
I prefer the book the book version of the mech training scene
The comic makes the mechs the look small and fragile while the book and halsey Journal has them being pretty big
faint stone
faber did get memed hard tho
decided to sell ships to soldiers that had flood on them still lmao
he literally is to partially blame for the downfall of the forerunners
then one day after the ur didact got ditched in a scorn part of the galaxy came across a bootifull ship with guess who the ur didact
but ononono
didact was held there by a gravemind who absorbed all the wives and childrens of faber and tormented him with their screams
those 2 met the worst gravemind to date
versed helm
Okay I have a question me and my friend where arguing about how shangheli reproduce and we can't agree on something so is anyone an expert here to inform me if shangheli lay eggs or give birth?
carmine sleet
They lay eggs
violet zephyr
I’m pretty sure they are not mammals. So that would be correct by logic. And I bet it’s true in lore but I’m just verifying with science
sonic folio
Yooo
brittle granite
what if we just built a big ship around a super mac?
faint stone
isn't that the infinity
carmine sleet
The Infinity is not a ship built round a super mac
lament agate
Baby sangheli have to be in a game
acoustic dock
the paris class frigate was built around a mac cannon
stiff creek
But not a super MAC.
acoustic dock
indeed
stiff creek
You were built around a MAC.
orchid lion
Oohhhh gotte
faint stone
i am a MAC cannon
jolly swift
so, other than the Fall of Reach movie, (and to a certain extend the game itself), is there any piece of canon that's super contentious among the lore community, or that they'd rather wasn't canon?
terse lava
The Karen Tarviss series I guess
gilded mason
Yeh.
terse lava
It will always be the barns
jolly swift
the barns?
terse lava
The barns
gilded mason
The barns
terse lava
The Karen Traviss novels try to portray the sangheili as so utterly single minded as warriors, that they can do literally nothing else. An infamous example was a group of sangheili looking through ancient records on how to build barns. And celebrating once they finished it
Oh and apparantly they can't farm either
terse lava
It takes the troupe to a dumb extreme. More so when we see in older books sangheili do other things besides fight
jolly swift
and in older books we only really saw the Elites who were in the Covenant military to boot
terse lava
Yeah
jolly swift
didn't she brag about not doing research?
unique rune
Yeah, she's... a bit infamous for it.
west silo
Why would you feel good about not doing research about a universe your writhing
Its like writhing a book about the masterchief
But forgetting he's the masterchief
humble yacht
Imagine there is context behind what they are saying that explains the situation further
terse lava
I think it's more she does well in small settings. She was the one who wrote, "Human Weakness," which was great. But give her a universe setting? Heard she had the same problem with star wars
flat bone
who?
terse lava
Karen Traviss
flat bone
lore writter?
gilded mason
Book writer
flat bone
k
west silo
She did not like the jedi
dusty prawn
Mortal Dictata did a little better I think, the first two had a lot of little issues like that
and for some reason, Jul, who hates humans more than anyone except the Ur Didact, kept using human euphemisms.
gilded mason
She did not like the jedi```
Yeah. She said the jedi genocide was a good thing, and that anyone who liked the jedi were that one german WWII party that I'm not sure we can namedrop here.I loved the republic commandos and always wanted to get the books but I've heard so many bad things that I've never even bought a single one
terse lava
Same
gilded mason
and for some reason, Jul, who hates humans more than anyone except the Ur Didact, kept using human euphemisms.
As the humans say, that's whack, yo.
dusty prawn
^
just like that lmfao. Raia seemed interesting though, even if she was used as a mouthpiece and a foil to Jul's home life more than anything.
west silo
Well he did use it to communicate with humans
faint stone
well
dusty prawn
I really mean the phrases, literally just the phrases. Not even the language
west silo
And isn't mortal dictate the book with the stupid dad plot
faint stone
well you can tell he'd like to communicate with them
gilded mason
Yes
dusty prawn
yes
faint stone
like he does halsey
dusty prawn
but it's got T'vaoan kig yar so I let it slide
dusty prawn
I don't think Jul really cared to communicate with them at all except when he was held on Onyx by magnessun
faint stone
fr about jul
flat bone
jul, like the guy they killed off in halo 5?
dusty prawn
He engaged them then but out of necessity, and everything else he seemed to really hate them. However, the massive irony is he always hated how Telcam involved humans in his plot
and what does he do out of desperation?
Involve Halsey in his plot towards the end of his life
dies to a spartan just like Telcam
flat bone
arbiter vs jul
@faint stone i think arbiter
dusty prawn
Arbiter was pure badass
dusty prawn
Jul got handled by every spartan he engaged
faint stone
but
dusty prawn
Jul was good but not Arbiter Fleetmaster good
faint stone
arby tho
flat bone
arbiter was the youngest shipmaster
faint stone
he defined shipmaster
flat bone
ever
gilded mason
Involve Halsey in his plot towards the end of his life```
I had *hoped* that would lead to more character development that we'd encounter in H5, but noooope.yeah, I was really sadened by that
faint stone
i feel that jul used halsey mainly because he saw her get shot by a spartan
'huh, this human is wanted dead by a spartan commander, i wonder why'
flat bone
lol
dusty prawn
I hope to see more of the Sangheili's personal matters in general. I loved Broken Circle. And while Legacy of Onyx was kinda a mess at parts I at least liked the tiny tiny insight into Kasha and Asum/Bakar's stuff. As shallow as it kinda came off
gilded mason
They seemed to get closer during Escalation.
faint stone
little does he know that spartan is basically a product of her research and creations
but er
lets not tell jul
dusty prawn
poor Jul
gilded mason
He might already know.
flat bone
why was osiris able to take him down so easily
gilded mason
Plot
flat bone
why them though
gilded mason
It required his personal Zealot guards to be drunk that day
faint stone
yeah
flat bone
Oni probably has sent headhunter like spartans to take him down
dusty prawn
he was probably short on good troops and yadda yadda. He was caught off guard and yadda yadda. Also they were kitted out and ready and ambushed him and yadda yadda. He was also on amphetamines
flat bone
oh
faint stone
guess they wanted to get to the juicy cortana bits
basically it was an awful death scene
but it showed that chief could slap him easily
considering locke took him down
dusty prawn
You guys remember the Sangheili in escalation that was like "honor is kinda a big limitation and I'm gonna work for ONI"? He was kinda fun
faint stone
wonder what fred would've done
flat bone
the other day someone said that the lightrifle from halo 4 is basically the same in halo 5
faint stone
aren't the sangheili dumb in a way
because the prophets made them dumb dumbs
so they would be all excited over a barn like cavemen and a fire
gilded mason
I really liked how Ayit 'Sevi was basically the most competent member of the Absolute Record team.
dusty prawn
I don't think they were excited about the barn, just had to used rudamentary old plans to construct it. Also they can't be that dumb if Truth dicked himself so hard to sideline them
flat bone
why did they change the lightfiflre so much
gilded mason
aren't the sangheili dumb in a way
because the prophets made them dumb dumbs
so they would be all excited over a barn like cavemen and a fire```
Nah, they're really smart and already knew how to farm and everything. Traviss just didn't care.Involve Halsey in his plot towards the end of his life``` I had *hoped* that would lead to more character development that we'd encounter in H5, but noooope.
@gilded mason
They had a very weird but likable chemistry
gilded mason
Yeh
dusty prawn
Yeah they were literally farming the entire time they were complaining about not farming. It was weird. At no point did they stop, and it clearly was more of a problem of logistics if even that. Since they didn't have an incoming food shipment or something
Halsey x Jul. I ship it
gilded mason
Indeed.
faint stone
indeed
gilded mason
Both of them lost their spouses.
dusty prawn
let's get some Halsey/Jul fanart going @west silo
gilded mason
Correct
faint stone
also
west silo
Palmer x unknown elite
flat bone
he was an opportunist
gilded mason
He thought they were arrogant jerks, mainly
faint stone
you know that evolutions short?
west silo
The return
faint stone
yeh
flat bone
of flypyap
faint stone
was that faction apart of juls?
gilded mason
Don't think so
dusty prawn
Didn't really look like a faction
faint stone
considering he kept the human alive to learn more about the forerunners
dusty prawn
just a post shipmaster commanding some lost sangheili still
west silo
No
faint stone
he still believed the forerunners to be gods though iirc
flat bone
why did the promethians turn on jul
west silo
He was just trying to repent
gilded mason
He personally was traumatized by the realization that the humans were innocent
flat bone
didnt he work with him
faint stone
yes
dusty prawn
Less of a faction and more of a "well we aren't really serving someone now".
faint stone
but cortana controls them now
gilded mason
Cortana
faint stone
and she dont like the covies
flat bone
right
faint stone
after h5 ending
she sends a guardians to mop up their remnants
basically went on a full genocide against the covies
west silo
and she dont like the covies
@faint stone
She likes the species just not the covenant
dusty prawn
I don't think the collection of fragments that are Cortana's current assemblage likes anyone but John, on a certain level. Or anything.
west silo
She pretty much attacked everyone
faint stone
'oh that a9 odst romeo? stationed for yet again fiddling with an admirals wife on the grunt homeworld? yeh u can kill him lol'
dusty prawn
The only world she didn't give a chance to surrender to her demands was Earth iirc.
west silo
What you mean
gilded mason
I don't think the collection of fragments that are Cortana's current assemblage likes anyone but John, on a certain level.
She probably doesn't even like John, just the idea of John.
flat bone
how many AI stayed with the UNSC other than roland
faint stone
even says 'humanity will be ancient history'
flat bone
was his name roland
west silo
She gave them 5 seconds
faint stone
she doesn't really like humans
considering they're the reasons for the created being either put into stasis or destroyed outright
west silo
how many AI stayed with the UNSC other than roland
@flat bone
Black box is still loyal so maybe more than we think
dusty prawn
@gilded mason That's a very good point. You can see how at the end of Halo 5 her crocodile tears completely go away without a second's of remorse, and she just walks her voluptuous self off.
faint stone
she's in her head now
west silo
considering they're the reasons for the created being either put into stasis or destroyed outright
@faint stone
Well there's a reason for that
gilded mason
@dusty prawn
Yeh
west silo
You the whole insane after 7 years thing
faint stone
but toland shows his annoyance to it too
so ais don
don't really
'like' the fact they have to die after 7 years of life
it kinda sucks
hence why most of them pray to get put into stasis
dusty prawn
I hated how roland just completely snaps and goes all angry face, and then it fades to black and we never hear a peep out of him or it again. You'd think we'd touch on that threat or tension. But nope
faint stone
yep
gilded mason
and then it fades to black
A common occurance in H5 cutscenes.
dusty prawn
west silo
Actually ai probably experience life in dog years
dusty prawn
Yeah it really is
west silo
Where it's short to us but long for them
flat bone
why cant they cure rampancy, shouldnt they make an external hardrive
west silo
Well cortana was in a lot of pain in 4
dusty prawn
@west silo that has got to be the most hilarious way of saying it I've ever seen. But yeah they totally work through a day's worth of work for themselves every minute. When BB was carefully merging through his old fragments and trying them on and fixing them, he totally finished the whole thing before Evan Phillissssssss even dropped his arms!
west silo
So maybe it was mercy killing
dusty prawn
that's fast
faint stone
bruh i feel like you're missing the point
gilded mason
Cortana: But there's a huge difference. I'm a UNSC AI. I enjoy a rich existence. I have access to the entire sum of human knowledge; I can choose to enjoy or override emotional response and I have a vast range of senses. I can see radio waves as clearly as the Spartans see light, and I can sample odors, tastes, textures... anything I choose. Of course my loyalty is programmed and I accept that, but you know as well as I do, without human creators, we wouldn't exist. My existence is fulfilling and I'm grateful. Even freed from that constraint, I would feel empathy towards humans. My nature means that I embrace their values. As much as if I had been born rather than manufactured.
faint stone
it's more that they're not useful
so really they're being destroyed due to them not being able to be used properly
it's literally like throwing a broken toy away
except in this case it's a living being
all because they're unfit for service lol
west silo
Yea but there also a danger to others
gilded mason
A toy that's literally dying
dusty prawn
I don't think it counts as broken toy
faint stone
'was that a little bit of red i see there? FINAL DISPENSATION'
west silo
And murdering billions doesn't make her look better
gilded mason
The thing, is, there's not much else they could do.
flat bone
dont they kill themsekves?
west silo
But there's a good reason for it
faint stone
and the only way to not have them killed is to be put into stasis
dusty prawn
hate how messages get deleted sometiemes
gilded mason
Some do, before it gets too bad.
west silo
Oni has tried to extend the limit
faint stone
she had a fake trial and roland and blackbox had her placed into stasis
dusty prawn
The point is that they become demented, horrifying monsters that are unable to grasp reality as the compress themselves apart
flat bone
cant they add a hardrive
west silo
But it was described as torturing the ai
gilded mason
That wasn't Infinity's old AI
dusty prawn
I don't think it can be compared to a broken toy, but a broken toy that is also tortured
flat bone
boom more thinking space
gilded mason
That was Black Team's old AI
west silo
Saint testimony?
gilded mason
It changes everything
faint stone
yessir
flat bone
whos blackbox
west silo
Yea the trial was rigged
gilded mason
An AI
flat bone
is it in the games?
gilded mason
Yea the trial was rigged```
Well, more that it was for showRemember how back in Halo Reach you have the Assembly. Good times
flat bone
ya think infinite is post-cortana war or during cortana war
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dusty prawn
BB was from the K5 trilogy and seen in a Fractures short and also heard in the Halo 5 soundclip advertisements. I think somewhere else too but I can't remember
west silo
Remember how back in Halo Reach you have the Assembly. Good times
@dusty prawn
Fun fact 343 barely even acknowledges them
faint stone
that's the magic of it
west silo
Even giving hood the detonator to a bunch of ai
faint stone
still wondering if the meridian colonists will survive
since we know they're still in space
drifting
dusty prawn
the ones that are in a ship with the now "cured" AI of the world might live, the ones he left on the planet are dedified
humble yacht
Sloan made a deal for his people’s well-being
west silo
Man so is an ai being the governor of a planet something new?
humble yacht
Sloan used to be human
dusty prawn
He did, but didn't that only count the ones he could evac in time?
We hear some people left on the surface to die as the guardians rise up at the end of the mission
west silo
I don't think the Guardian killed everyone on the planet
Why would they blackout an already gone planet
dusty prawn
the AI of the Rubble was going rampant as well, she thought herself a god in Cole Protocol
west silo
Hmm sounds familiar
dusty prawn
seismic activity, not really sure. Maybe they went back for the people safely in caves or something. Not sure if they bring it up again or not
west silo
Man I wonder how the brute homeworld is doing
humble yacht
Brute Nukem Forever
dusty prawn
Doisac Battle Royale
stable flower
I wonder if the SOF crew helped contain the Flood on the Ark.
faint stone
makes sense
my headcanon would be a scouting team encounter a flood unit and the entire crew hear the familiar screams they encountered 20 years before
maybe we finally had that one scene in halo legends origins part 2 happen
with the SOF and banished teaming up
carmine sleet
They haven't teamed up with the Banished on the Ark
stable flower
I wish they made a separate DLC that shows ATN from the UNSC's perspective.
faint stone
we dunno
and ig ATN was more of giving us a banished storyline
since we've already used unsc units against the flood back in HW1
but the only time we used covie units was on multiplayer maps but only got infection forms
faint stone
who were really smooth brained
and ignored atriox lol
and decided to blast the shields of HCs remains with a scarab
all to salvage
but hey when their lord atriox warns them not to go near it or inside it ofc you gotta ignore it
pffft
west silo
Only voridus
faint stone
whats the worst that can happen
west silo
And he's was kinda a glory hound
faint stone
yes
but a banished commander still released them lmfao
now the flood have their own ecosystem
on the ark
fabien would be tilting in his grave
faint stone
nickname for faber i reckon gravemind would give him
considering he absorbedhis fam
so his wives would call him fabien
west silo
Well his grave is kinda space dust
faint stone
then they all said it at once whilst he cries lol
west silo
so his wives would call him fabien
@faint stone
What a troll
west silo
Well all know his favorite is the librarian
What better way to lift someone's spirits than telling them how there entire 1000s year plan will be destroyed
Right as there about to win
faint stone
lol
but still happened
because forerunners treat the mantle like life
but also liked to kill species who were against them in bloodlust or jealousy
west silo
Only two species were killed
And both of them survived
Albeit very deformed in the end
To be honest though the humans probably would have been just as bad as the forerunners
faint stone
blame the precursors
basically giving out a title that essentially makes that species the rulers
if one space farring space goes against 'the mantle' forerunners rain hell on them
west silo
To be honest the humans were being jerks
They were said to be expanding aggressively into other species territory
If this was any other space sci fi series any other species would take that as a war threat
jolly swift
except the truth of what they were doing is they were fleeing from the Flood, while at the same time culling any infections they came across with great force
so, is the opening cutscene of H2A canon?
because it seems to just be an alternate version of things we already saw in H5
jolly swift
it definitely feels out of place - CEA didn't need a framing device, neither does H2A
west silo
Weren't the ancient humanity described as being highly expansive even before the flood thing
They were described as like creating new souls or something
jolly swift
so here are my theories as to why plasma pistoling a Brute in 3 destroys their armor: either the shield is the only real thing holding the armor on, the violent destruction of the shield takes the armor with it, or the armor is magnetized and the emp nullifies the magnets holding it on
bold estuary
Based off in game animation the second one seems most plausible
jolly swift
I haven't gotten a real good look at the animation myself
bold estuary
I played Halo 3 recently so it’s still fresh in my mind
west silo
A fully charged plasma pistol is powerful so I wouldn't be surprised
terse lava
Would go with the 2nd, seeing as in h3 the lower ranks had no shields on their armor
jolly furnace
Weren't the ancient humanity described as being highly expansive even before the flood thing
@west silo They had over-population issues at first. Though Chakas said they believed in expanding their territory and population by conquering other worlds and settling them hence creating many souls
Maybe ancient humans had a cultural importance on reproduction and creating as many new humans or life as possible
west silo
So basically space Romans?
west silo
But with face paint
west silo
The forerunner never really had any species join there empire
They just watched over them
jolly furnace
They subsumed several
They had subject empires
they ruled over
Didact even tells Librarian prior to his exile humans could have joined Forerunner civilization had they repented for their crimes
As if humanity would willingly join Forerunner civilization
west silo
Then again humanity probably wouldn't have got along
The human San shyuum alliance was said to probably fail a part in only a few centuries
And humans probably live for a few thousand years
jolly furnace
Well Forerunners believed it wouldn't last. But that alliance lasted 1000 years at least
I feel mutual dislike of forerunners helped with that alliance
west silo
Progress
jolly furnace
Also we only have Forthencho's career span for reference on AH lifespans
He was 1000 years old at least
Probably a combo of augments and med tech
west silo
Well to be fair future humans probably have longer life spans
Johnson 70 something and he looks good
And spartans are expect to exceed a hundred years
jolly furnace
Well if we talk RL it seems 130 is the absolute limit for us
naturally
Unless that story of that one person living over 140 years is true
343GS said MC still suffered from modern humanity's truncated lifespan despite his augments
I feel its illogical to have the 4s living longer then 150 years given it took Forerunners to get to Tier 1 tech to achieve biological immortality by wearing armor fulltime
and Tier 1 AH didn't have that
west silo
Really when Did spark say that?
dense helm
because the prophets made them dumb dumbs
@faint stone Complete propaganda/misinformation/mass hallucination-- the Prophets' preaching of the Covenant's Great Journey via Halo firings is anything but divine.
If you believe in a speaker, those speaker's beliefs become your own.
Whether they're true or false is something else entirely.
In the case of their Great Journey via Halo, we all know the answer to that.
junior dome
Anyone know the lore behind the map Solace?
gilded mason
This is all we know:
https://www.halopedia.org/Solace
junior dome
Unidentified 😩
lean karma
Imagine getting troop carrier hogs in Halo Infinite
inner basin
I mean it wouldn’t be the first time we’ve seen one in Halo... also that’s more relevant to #483759756566069258
serene coral
so i came here to get help
i am currently in the process of making a video on the halo iceberg
and i am aware of basically everything aside from some things about hunt the truth and the nanobots
i just wanted say that before i inevitably dump something over here haha
inner basin
Don’t get me started on nanomachines lol. That reasoning still agitates me
serene coral
i cannot believe i just realized the halo 2 cover was unsc propaganda
im learning from the iceberg lol whaaaat
main siren
It started on March 22, 2015
main siren
Yes. Its been 5 years since HtT.
Time marches on and waits for no one
inner basin
Show me
versed helm
So I am very confused because only recently I learned that your custom character for online in reach transfers to story mode
So I wanted to know is the base noble 6 is the “real” noble 6 or is your custom character cannon in the lore?
I know this is a small and weird thing but I wanted to know
humble yacht
Canonically, Noble 6 is male and wore default Mark V [b] armor
versed helm
Ok thanks, again small and weird question but wanted to know
faint stone
didn't we find out he was a he through jun
saying
'he was a good man'
or something
inner basin
Yeah. I mean Chimera said that he is a male above
faint stone
right but i was asking if it was found out through jun lol
what else did you want me to say 'oh where's it from lol'
bruh
versed helm
How is ODST connected to Halo
It’s name is Halo 3: ODST so I’m wondering how it’s connected to 3
jolly swift
it takes place at the same time as Halo 2, it's called 3 ODST because it was originally an expansion for 3
humble yacht
concurrently
jolly swift
it takes place after Chief leaves Earth in 2
humble yacht
while chief is traveling through slipspace, the events of ODST are going on
jolly swift
it kinda bridges the gap between 2 and 3
versed helm
So it honestly doesn’t affect much?
craggy sierra
Reach also affected nothing
jolly swift
they mean chronologically do the actions of the characters in ODST have any influence on what happened in 3, and the answer is no
craggy sierra
Not really. It changes nothing about CE’s plot
versed helm
Didn’t they save captain Keyes?
craggy sierra
Well Captain Keyes was clearly already saved in CE
humble yacht
half of her
craggy sierra
None of that really “changes” the plot though
humble yacht
that was the debate equivalent of a dine and dash 
faint stone
lol
in halo 2a final terminal or 2nd last we discovered that they found out about the earth by accident
well not accident but instead found a nav guide forerunner machine on reach and discovered the portal to the ark was on earth
but they'd no clue it was buried or earth was our homeworld
hence why regret says 'didn't anticipate humans'
flat bone
but didnt halsey put the coordinates to alpha halo in cortana
faint stone
yes
flat bone
k
faint stone
so when they jumped they basically ended up at alpha halo
since that fragment noble 6 transported had that data in her
so it did connect some bridges at least
all you can say how the ending of odst affects halo 3 is basically how we see the covies begin digging up the portal to the ark
as well as vergil becoming a source of info
craggy sierra
Yeah but I'm pretty sure Cortana having the co-ordinates or stuff was established in Fall of Reach like before CE even happened
humble yacht
basically they put in random coordinates they had found during the Fall of Reach and it happened to take them to Alpha Halo
faint stone
ye
flat bone
ye
humble yacht
so it was a "blind" jump in that they didn't know the destination
not sure if emergency jumping is the same thing
faint stone
idk
flat bone
halsey knew something was there
faint stone
they might've just slip spaced to safe areas
flat bone
maybe
faint stone
that was in the files
but either way cortana would find them soon enough
dunno when dunno how infinite shall tell us
flat bone
any tips on wardens on legendary?
flat bone
probably same
faint stone
the 3 wardens were ez tbh
faint stone
you already get lightrifles with the small arena and a ledge to stay on
jolly swift
the luminary the covenant found was actually on Meridian IIRC
versed helm
crawlers are annoying. they go pew pew from the sides and really eat away at shields and health
flat bone
luminary is what they coat their ships is right?
jolly swift
and Cortana found the coordinates on a planet she was on earlier, but it wasn't until she discovered a navigational framework on Reach that she realized that's what they weree
...no.
A Forerunner Luminary is basically a map, and this one led the Covenant to all the Halos, as well as the Ark
flat bone
oh ok
flat bone
i think he meant halsey
jolly swift
yes, I just checked and it says that it's Meridian, 2551
flat bone
cortana was activated on reach
jolly swift
kinda makes sense, they wanted H2A to be a prelude to H5
flat bone
how was she on a different planet
jolly swift
I'm talking about where the Covenant found the Forerunner Luminary
flat bone
and Cortana found the coordinates on a planet she was on earlier, but it wasn't until she discovered a navigational framework on Reach that she realized that's what they weree
@jolly swift
jolly swift
that's a different thing entirely
jolly swift
the size of a coffin approximately
flat bone
what year did halo 2 take place
jolly swift
2552
flat bone
maybe
in halo 2 anneversary
the level/cutscene the heretic
has locke
talking with arbiter
jolly swift
lmao
flat bone
but he wasnt even a spartan then
jolly swift
that cutscene doesn't take place in 2552
craggy sierra
Yeah that takes place during Halo 5
flat bone
but then why put it in H@A
jolly swift
that's a framing device, showing that H2A is supposed to be Arbiter recounting the events
to build hype for H5
flat bone
oh
craggy sierra
^that
jolly swift
it's a stupid framing device that isn't even canon afaik
craggy sierra
Also the version shown in H2A got made non-canon by the version of that scene in Halo 5
versed helm
Would be a good idea to remove it / put it elsewhere in 'extras'.
Only really serves to confuse folk as is
flat bone
true
jolly swift
isn't there supposed to be a second half to it once you finish the campaign?
versed helm
There was an epilogue one for a while, 'bookend close' or something of the like.
Isn't in the game anymore as far as I can tell. Not in the files on PC anyway.
inner basin
I don’t think it’s on Xbox either, but it’s been a little while since I played H2A
vagrant hawk
Whats yalls favorite Spartan amour?
gilded mason
Mark V
vagrant hawk
Same
flat bone
i like the ODST armour
main siren
Mark VI
flat bone
mark V is halo CE and VI is halo 2-5?
vagrant hawk
Yeah Mark VI is 2-3 the one in 4-5 is the Mark VI gen 2
jolly swift
I'm partial to Gen 2 Scout myself
vagrant hawk
Yeah it does look nice
jolly swift
WAIT A MINUTE
THE NEW MEGA CONSTRUX HELMET DESCRIPTION SAYS TO "Pay your respects to Spartan John 117"
jolly swift
Emergency Meeting
vagrant hawk
Oh maybe for all his service he did same all of Humanity several times
jolly swift
I'm gonna dig and see if there's an alternate meaning to paying respects
humble yacht
technically the Mark VI in H4 was still gen1
obsidian thistle
Well... ya know last we saw the civilian public still think John is dead.
Or was told he is dead
And by 2590 he is missing/dead to the public.
So its not out the question for John to be in a misc state.
vagrant hawk
Really it was still technically gen 1?
Really wish John woke up in his classic Mark VI armor but youknow
vagrant hawk
True
jolly swift
nanomachines, son
vagrant hawk
i guess it makes sense
jolly swift
but if there are nanomachines that can do that, why not use them everywhere?
gilded mason
Yeah
343 just said something like , "Uh. It's still canonically the H3 design. We just changed it to a different ship type in H4's intro because [some excuse I don't remember.]"
vagrant hawk
That excuse better not be nano machines
jolly swift
because the level literally couldn't fit in the 3 design Dawn
just like how the Warthog run in CE is longer than the Autumn is
jolly swift
it would be so much easier if they said that the armor was just an art style thing and didn't try to change it canonically, it's just opened a whole can of worms
jolly swift
changing it to that would be an insignificant retcon that would fix some big lore discrepancies
vagrant hawk
Yeah
stiff creek
I honestly have zero gripe with the nanomachines thing.
👌
And Halo 4, while I don't consider it the best, has a very special place in my heart.
main rivet
Yep, all of the convoluted lore reasons for differences in look is just pointless. Especially when you end up with the hair-tearing nonsense that is the MJOLNIR Mark stuff.
The stuff with changing the Dawn for gameplay reasons was similarly pointless. The fandom survived a Warthog run in CE that a) made no sense size-wise, and b) ran the wrong way off the ship, and we survived just fine.
Far fewer people are gonna' gripe that the scale is off because it's not as obvious as a ship that looks completely different.
stable flower
Why hasn't the Auto Turret made any appearances in Halo media since Halo 3?
unique rune
...As in the single-use equipment?
I would imagine it’s because it’s... sorta redundant.
humble yacht
alot of gameplay elements have only been used in one game
but the auto turret sorta returned as an armor ability in H4
unique rune
Not as a player ability
glossy onyx
ok
unique rune
AI Sangheili enemies could be found dual-wielding though
glossy onyx
yh they looked cool but i think they're a bit overly detailed
glossy onyx
i'm not saying the detail was bad
humble yacht
reach elites too detailed, Infinite weapons not detailed enough
glossy onyx
yh
humble yacht
can't catch a break
glossy onyx
infinite weapons look alright
unique rune
The new weapons for Infinite we’ve seen so far have all given me strong Titanfall vibes for some reason
glossy onyx
idk what that is but ok
343 could do some improvement on the graphics but it looks alright
main rivet
Eh, honestly the Reach Elites have the same problem later characters would—a ton of budget put into them, but they don't look as distinctive in the process.
glossy onyx
yh
main rivet
The H2A Elites are great because they maintain the strong look of the originals. Sad that we lost the arrowhead shape to them as the games went on. H3 was a real downgrade for their look in a lot of ways.]
bold estuary
What’s the explanation on Tartarus’s gravity hammer being different other then them wanting to change it for 3. Not sure myself
glossy onyx
yeah the halo 4 and 5 elites just look dumb lol
humble yacht
What’s the explanation on Tartarus’s gravity hammer being different other then them wanting to change it for 3. Not sure myself
what are you talking about?
main rivet
Interestingly there were a couple Elite variations before 4 that were cut that had the lower-armored look.
humble yacht
the only time we see that hammer is in H2
bold estuary
Tartarus has a different looking gravity hammer then seen in later games
humble yacht
what games?
bold estuary
Is there a lore reason?
main rivet
It's just a different-looking hammer.
humble yacht
The Fist of Rukt has only been in H2
main rivet
The same way there are different looking weapon variants in 5.
glossy onyx
maybe tartarus had a special one cos he was like the leader of the brutes
main rivet
The books describe it as a traditional weapon of his clan.
main rivet
It might be older, or it might be distinctive for precisely that reaspon.
stable flower
It's a different type of turret, though.
bold estuary
I wonder what happened to it after 2, I assume it’s just on Delta Halo still
glossy onyx
probably
main rivet
You'd think someone woulda' grabbed that.
But I guess from what we see the Elites aren't as trophy-happy.
humble yacht
I wonder what happened to it after 2, I assume it’s just on Delta Halo still
The Final Grunt took it
glossy onyx
what i wanna know is how chips dubbo survived all these amazing things lol
like alpha halo
unique rune
The real answer is that he probably didn’t.
faint stone
it is forever a mystery
how was chips with miranda lawson on delta halo and with the odsts
we shall never know
aussies transcend spacetime itself
something the forerunners would cry over bcuz precursor star roads 😦
maybe chips is a fragmented star road
humble yacht
it was an equipment on the final level
you could set up auto turrets outside the control room doors
echo nebula
Forrunner tech
fair hazel
It's also in forge now
glass mica
Hmmm
lean karma
spoiler chief is black, Taco Bell commercial confirmed
west silo
The miljor is actually the armor from deadspace
faint stone
meh
we've seen chief i wouldn't care if he were white or black
taco bell is canon now
inner basin
Yeah, Chief is white. I don’t see them changing it
west silo
Anything is possible
faint stone
meh
trailer seemed cool enough
and how'd they change their race?
never noticed that before
faint stone
acc only thing that bothered me was the trailer used 4 design grunts
inner basin
I mean they have no intentions to change the Chief’s race if we’re to look at Halo 4’s Legendary Ending
faint stone
how tho
'we changed keyes from white to black'
don't see that stirring up issues lol
'grrrr u changed a beloved characters race in an adaption, not faithful'
bruh
that gives me giggles lol
west silo
They thought it made there character fit better with there race or something
You'd have to read the update
faint stone
i've read it
west silo
Basically they want there ethics to fit with there character better
faint stone
something about making the show more based on family drama
west silo
Really
faint stone
apparently miranda will have a hard time in the unsc
having to navigate her way through
faint stone
allures to her facing racism
inner basin
I don’t think the show’s canon from what I heard but I don’t know if that’s confirmed
west silo
And crashed it
lean karma
um yeah, I was just memeing
faint stone
she's studying the covenant too
David Sapani (Penny Dreadful) will play Captain Jacob Keyes, described as "a dedicated military man, a war hero and a caring father. He finds that working alongside his daughter and his ex-wife is usually the cause of conflict rather than comfort." Olive Gray (Half Moon Investigations) has been cast as his daughter Dr. Miranda Keyes, "a brilliant UNSC Commander who is dedicated to understanding the technology, language and culture of the Covenant, but she'll have to learn to navigate the politics of the UNSC to get what she wants." The friction between father and daughter will be explored in the new series.
lean karma
Yeah but how far away is the Halo TV series?
west silo
allures to her facing racism
@faint stone
I hope they don't go that route
faint stone
exactly
lean karma
Its been in the works forever right?
west silo
Race has never been a problem in halo
faint stone
racism towards other planets ig lol
yeh
similar with sexism
basically removed
only thing i can see is upper class issues etc
like lower class being looked down upon etc
west silo
Dang the last race war for them was a hundred years ago
jolly swift
hopefully society is in a better place in 2552
west silo
Well everyone is dying so no
And earth got nuked make over in 5 soooo
I guess this is a lesson that things could always be worse
like lower class being looked down upon etc
@faint stone
Like the inner colonies and the outer colonies issues?
jolly swift
is there any reason why Chief ended up so close to Requiem after Halo 3, or just luck?
gilded mason
Mendicant Bias did something
obsidian thistle
Well...
Its never been outright "confirmed" @gilded mason. I was reviewing sources on that a few days ago
Its implied yes
But never "confirmed".
west silo
Wasn't there a tweeter comment that outright confirmed it
It was something like "the fact that people still question if Mendicant was the ome who sent chief to requiem still amuses me"
obsidian thistle
That wasnt 343i that said that
gilded mason
Its never been outright "confirmed" @gilded mason. I was reviewing sources on that a few days ago
@obsidian thistle
What hasn't?
obsidian thistle
That was Haruspis... erm if my memory serves me well... over 3 years ago.
jolly swift
Haruspis is a darn good source on stuff we already know, since they read everything, but I wouldn't take their speculation as law
obsidian thistle
@obsidian thistle
What hasn't?
@gilded mason that MB sent John to Requiem
gilded mason
Ah, okay
obsidian thistle
Its more a well educated theory thats more likely to be true than most other fan theories.
But still a theory till explicitly stated.
jolly swift
when did we first hear about smart AIs having an 8(?) year lifespan?
gilded mason
Fall of Reach
obsidian thistle
AIs dont have a 7 year lifespan to be a tad more technical. Thats the imposed regulation before they start going really wonky.
On paper they can keep going for as long as they manage themselves properly and forceably
But its not a permanent fix that
They will eventually succumb to rampancy and its effects. Ultimately thinking thenselves to death.
west silo
What's the longest an ai has ever lived
obsidian thistle
Well thats a hard question
We dont have records of all AI and some are... weird
west silo
Well I mostly mean smart ai
Since dumb ais are probably as long as there hardware can last
obsidian thistle
Its still a hard question. Some smart AI are admittedly weird in admission by 343i writers.
west silo
We're the two ais in contact harvest dumb?
vague scroll
Mack and Sif are smart AIs as I recall
obsidian thistle
Deep Winter is a oddity
jolly swift
Sloane is going on 9 I believe
vague scroll
Correction: Loki and Mack shared a data center, Sif was an unrelated third. Loki and Mack had to take turns having their base logic operating onboard and the other would have to spread themselves out among vehicles on the planet to stave off rampancy.