#lore-and-universe

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west silo
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Am still surprised that oni actually allow to get in contact with virgil

faint stone
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well

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the engie basically merged with the superintendent

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and vergil was basically the human part of the AI

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made to care after sadie after her mothers death so basically sadie and vergil had a strong bond especially after the superintendent was absorbed into the engineer

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so basically vergil became the engineer

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and the engineer became vergil

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and sadie was more of vergils handler, so say if vergil refused to work sadie would just explain why etc

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but oni treat vergil humanely like you had to book apointments etc

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if you had computer problems lmao

west silo
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I still can't believe how they saved buck from falling in end

stable flower
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Why did I think Sadie was dead?
@craggy sierra Because she's been restricted to the expanded universe by 343, along with the ODST cast (minus Buck).

west silo
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Well most things have been restricted to the EU

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Is the cop dude ever mentioned again?

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Micheal I think

unique rune
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I don't recall any other mentions of Mike

jolly swift
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so, why exactly does seemingly everyone hate the Fall of Reach movie? I haven't seen it myself yet, I'm wondering if it's worth watching

gilded mason
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Doesn't actually show the fall of Reach™️ and makes some odd story changes

west silo
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Its doesn't actually show the fall of reach

gilded mason
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Like turning John into a psycho and having children die during training with Halsey going "Sounds good to me!"

west silo
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Yeah
None of the kids died during training

astral pivot
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They died during augmentation when they were teens

west silo
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Another minor change is with the armor

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The spartans used jetpacks
Not thruster packs

jolly swift
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I mean, I can kinda understand not showing the actual Fall of Reach when we have a game covering that now... but at least rename the movie

west silo
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And the ship didn't have elites
It was a jackal only ship

versed helm
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A better name could of been Halo: 117 or something like that

west silo
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I mean, I can kinda understand not showing the actual Fall of Reach when we have a game covering that now... but at least rename the movie
@Overlord_Kualsi#4639
The game was a very poor adaptation

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And the book follows chief

jolly swift
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it wasn't an adaptation of the book, it's what Bungie thought the Fall of Reach would be like

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maybe Origins woulda been a better name for the movie

astral pivot
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The game and book take place at different locations on reach

jolly swift
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they're definitely not incompatible, despite what some very salty fan websites claim

west silo
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No they are

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So much they had to make everyone stupid for it to fit

jolly swift
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lmao okay

west silo
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The ships are on the other side of the planet

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But the book has reach fall in a day

jolly swift
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well for the time being, both are canon, and some very talented people in the community have put together timelines showing how they fit, and explaining away any discrepancies

west silo
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The game is a month or something

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well for the time being, both are canon, and some very talented people in the community have put together timelines showing how they fit, and explaining away any discrepancies
@jolly swift
Halo canon literally had duct tape them together

jolly swift
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hey if it works

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don't be dissing duct tape

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personally I prefer the game's version

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a very long, drawn out death with a lot of false hopes

west silo
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The game story isn't really that good

jolly swift
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I'm allowed to like it

west silo
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Nothing bad in that

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Just like how were allowed to like the books

stable flower
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Doesn't actually show the fall of Reach™️ and makes some odd story changes
@gilded mason Don't forget the use of post-war equipment (both UNSC and Covenant)

west silo
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Yep

jolly swift
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I'm just not really sure I understand some peoples' position that Bungie should have made the game to follow the story of a book that they, by all accounts, didn't even really want

west silo
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Well everyone wanted it

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That why people are still upset to this day

jolly swift
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my position is that, since Bungie created this universe, I defer to them when it comes to inconsistencies

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or, when applicable, 343

west silo
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Bungie didn't even care about the lore apart from the games

jolly swift
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ain't nothin' wrong with that

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Bungie just wanted to make some games with a really good story steeped in mythology, Microsoft took the universe further than they could have originally hoped, or even wanted

west silo
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Well kinda yeah you alienate half your audience by pretending they dont exist

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And bungie could be jerks sometimes

jolly swift
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I'd argue that Halo's main audience is the people playing the games

west silo
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Well yeah

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Its a game franchise

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Doesn't mean that a lot of people don't like the franchise for its EU

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Without the books even bungie era games have some plot holea

jolly swift
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I just don't think Bungie retconning part of the EU is all that bad - especially when it was so small back then compared to now

west silo
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How is the main backstory for there main character small

jolly swift
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the EU was very small

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only like 5 books back then

west silo
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How is the book that set off the entire first game small

jolly swift
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...it was small in volume

west silo
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the EU was very small
@jolly swift
The game franchise was really small only like 3 games back then

jolly swift
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6 by the time of Reach actually

west silo
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...it was small in volume
@jolly swift
How is it small in volume

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It helps add to the back story

jolly swift
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I said it was small compared to what it is today

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I'm not saying it wasn't significant, I'm saying there wasn't as much of it

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so retconning a piece of it, if they wanted to, didn't' affect as massive of a web as it would today

west silo
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It affect the brain cells in oni

jolly swift
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these days, retconning something in the Halo universe would be next to impossible without a Crisis level event

west silo
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And made the unsc dumb

versed helm
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who remembers the warthog run

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lol

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wait there like 2

west silo
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these days, retconning something in the Halo universe would be next to impossible without a Crisis level event
@jolly swift
Dude have you seen chiefs armor
It gets retconed all the time

versed helm
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im braindead keep going.

jolly swift
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it got retconned once

west silo
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Bruh every time

jolly swift
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and there is a reason for that, even though it's the stupidest thing in this freaking series

west silo
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Nah theres worse

jolly swift
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the one thing everyone can agree on is that the nanobots explanation is stupid

west silo
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Am not even talking that

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the one thing everyone can agree on is that the nanobots explanation is stupid
@jolly swift
Nano machines actually existed back in the bungie days

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Just not in chiefs armor

jolly swift
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But nobody will argue that ODST isn't absolutely incredible

west silo
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Oh no

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That's a masterpiece

terse lava
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It did have some small flaws I'd say, not many though

west silo
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No game is perfect

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Except Pac man of course

flat bone
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agreed

stable flower
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And made the unsc dumb
@west silo They were already kind of dumb if they had people like Miranda Keyes as high-ranking officers.

west silo
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Well yeah the captain leading squad battles was dumb

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No really though why is a ship captain leading a squad into enemy territory

stable flower
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She wanted to follow in daddy's footsteps, even though her ship wasn't grounded.

west silo
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Do the captains really not the squad leaders that much

versed helm
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not really. they have a more "imma tell you stuff from a distance" role

west silo
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She wanted to follow in daddy's footsteps, even though her ship wasn't grounded.
@stable flower
And like her father she followed in his footsteps right to her grave

versed helm
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A captain leading his troops deep into enemy territory means they're that low on people

stable flower
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ROFL she didn't learn from the first time

versed helm
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But then she got the Truth needled into her

west silo
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A captain leading his troops deep into enemy territory means they're that low on people
@versed helm
But the captain?

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Dude alpha base exist

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They had people

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They did not need keyes

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He was just there

versed helm
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A captain leading troops into battle while in enemy territory means they were that desperate to get stuff done. The people at Alpha had their own jobs

west silo
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Dang it he was the biggest security risk there

versed helm
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They knew about Keyes

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At the end of the day, he was still their captain

west silo
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You don't send the captain into enemy lines

versed helm
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You do when yer desperate

west silo
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They might as Well sent silva

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You do when yer desperate
@versed helm
The captain has the coordinates to earth what if he gets captured?

stable flower
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BTW Miranda's worst line besides "To War" was "How's it going, you two?"

west silo
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Being desperate doesn't excuse being stupid

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BTW Miranda's worst line besides "To War" was "How's it going, you two?"
@stable flower
We need an actual rally point mam

versed helm
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Silva and the ODSTs had to keep the camp safe. They were getting pincered by the flood and the covies. They had to keep some place of retreat

stable flower
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She says that like she talking to her best friend who's on their honeymoon. A real officer would say "Chief, Cortana. Status Report!"

west silo
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Dude johnson was in charge of the squad keyes just tagged along

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For no reason really other than to pretend to be squad leader

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What did keyes add?

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What did he being there accomplish?

versed helm
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Look. Him sitting at camp would have achieved nothing. Him on an expedition added another trained gun

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At least that

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If nothing else

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And that's better than getting rekt at camp

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Because, you have to ask, could Keyes have made the same decision the ODST did, to blow up the carrier that was taking them home?

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To ensure no flood infection?

west silo
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He could help with making plans for defense or counter attacks

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Not get sent out into a field that he was not fit for

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And what even was that scene in the flood where he shot a camo elite without even looking

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The last time we saw him use a gun he was reloading in the middle of an attack

versed helm
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Maybe he finished reloading

west silo
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Am talking during the flood attack

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He just reloads it at the worst time possible

versed helm
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"There's the enemy better reload"

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He's like the spastic reloader

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Fire bullet? reload

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Always stay reloading

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See enemy? reload

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Done reloading?

dusky quail
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you guys think noble six is still alive or is he dead

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i think he is still alive

west silo
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Dead as dead

dusky quail
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i think he is alive

jolly swift
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Dead

flat bone
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most controversial question besides dustin echoes lol

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jk

jolly swift
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Confirmed to be dead on too many occasions for me to question it

dusky quail
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cuz he was trained as a lone wolf and he would know how to survive a glassing beam

jolly swift
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What're you talking about Dustin Echoes is the MVP

dusky quail
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he could have found a oni sword base or a cave to take refuge in

gilded mason
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He is ultra dead

flat bone
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he got ambushed by elites

gilded mason
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He was stabbed

west silo
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Yeah he's dead

gilded mason
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And killed

west silo
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The elites killed him

jolly swift
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He is confirmed to be dead by Bungie and 343 afaik

gilded mason
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Ye

west silo
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Only his helmet remains

flat bone
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dustin echoes

west silo
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And its in a museum

stable flower
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So the unknown alien occupation in Shadows of Reach might be the Banished because that's a Seraph on the cover.

west silo
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Well yeah

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Its all but confirmed its the banished

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Unless there's gonna be some one off new never before seen aliens

jolly swift
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I kinda wish they kept Dare with the helmet the whole game

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The helmet looks super cool

terse lava
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It's just a recon helmet. Nothing particularly great

stable flower
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Remember, sending in recon would just slow us down.

versed helm
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The Spartans can do recon far better than most trained troops

jolly swift
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Man a Headhunters game would be cool

flat bone
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true

jolly swift
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maybe something like Sniper Ghost Warrior Contracts or the newer Hitman games

west silo
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Heat seeking briefcase when?

stable flower
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Is Lord Hood still beefing with Rtas Vadum?

west silo
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No

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He's really mentioned much

keen delta
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I hope we hear from rtas again

gilded mason
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Though if we do, be prepared possibly hear a different voice

keen delta
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I imagine so

last anchor
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His OG ones dead right

gilded mason
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No. He's just insane.

keen delta
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I dont see anything that would prevent him from doing it

gilded mason
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As in, 343 wouldn't want to work with somebody as awful as him.

keen delta
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so irrelevant BS, got it

gilded mason
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It's irrelevant if 343 doesn't want to work with him?

last anchor
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Who was his OG VA

keen delta
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Robert John Davi

gilded mason
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Robert Davi

jolly swift
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oh dear I found his Twitter

last anchor
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Oh boy, married four times annnndddd I did too

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OOOOOF

jolly swift
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I don't wanna argue politics here but I understand why 343 wouldn't want to work with him further

last anchor
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Alright uh...yeah, I can see why they'd want a new voice for him.
...get the guy who did the Shadow of Intent audio book

gilded mason
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Yeah. He's kind of a bad person.

last anchor
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An entirely resonable responce

jolly swift
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he seems to be very much against 343's company values

last anchor
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Honestly I dont think we'll see him in infinite. It would be kind of odd for him to show up THERE of all places, especially since Shadow Of Intent noted he and the ship are off hunting the last remaining San'shyuum.

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what would he be doing near Zeta Halo?

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Also it might ruin the whole "effective resistance" thing if a fully operational CAS battlecruiser with a competent commander and eager crew rolled up and started slagging Banished vessels from multi-klicks out

gilded mason
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especially since Shadow Of Intent noted he and the ship are off hunting the last remaining San'shyuum.
Though that was back in 2553. And by 2558, he and the SoI were back in the Joint-Occupation Zone sporting upgraded weapons/armor and hunting down pirates in the region.

last anchor
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I...completely forgot it was in 2553.

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WAIT RIGHT. ONI lost...three prowlers to it right?

gilded mason
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Ye

last anchor
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...thats so dumb.

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I get that its ONI but like...thats three whole ships and their crews

gilded mason
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And apparently they were aware of just how in the wrong they were. Since they swept those losses under the rug

terse lava
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Wait wait wait what?

jolly swift
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Yeah, I don't think we'll be seeing Half-Jaw in Infinite

terse lava
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What did I just walk into

last anchor
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Lore discussion.

jolly swift
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Seems like his involvement in the main story is pretty much over

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Jedi business, go back to your drinks

last anchor
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I WOULD take a sequel to Shadow of intent by the same author tho

gilded mason
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Three prowlers were trailing the SoI. Rtas destroyed them and it said ONI didn't report the losses to the rest of the UNSC.

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Joe Staten!

terse lava
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No not that

last anchor
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Wait SERIOUSLY?!

jolly swift
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Wait

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WHAT

terse lava
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Rtas's VA going crazy

gilded mason
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...Y'all didn't know?

last anchor
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...this is what I get for not checking authors...

jolly swift
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Golly gee I need to read more Halo books

last anchor
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I only know the mainline Halo books authors.

gilded mason
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Ah, yeah. He's a frickin' piece of...doodoo.

jolly swift
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I've only read the first three and a few graphic novels

last anchor
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Oh man, you got a HOLE to go into XD

terse lava
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.....dare I ask what happened?

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Is the heresy deep?

gilded mason
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Yes

terse lava
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...blood

jolly swift
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Alright friends, recommend me some Halo books

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I'm already thinking the Forerunner trilogy

gilded mason
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Broken Circle!

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Last Light
Silent Storm (For Nizat)
Oblivion (For Nizat and Tam)

last anchor
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Well you beat me to the Forerunner trilogy XD

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Smoke and Shadow and Retribution are both fantastic.

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The Holy Nylund Quartet

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Wait...trilogy, The Flood wasnt him.

jolly swift
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What was his third book?

last anchor
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Ghosts of Onyx

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Fall of Reach, First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx

terse lava
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Wait...was that it? Just the Twitter stuff?

jolly swift
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It seems his personal values conflict with 343's company values

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Anyway, back to books because this could get into politics real easy

fair hazel
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Lets not go politics

last anchor
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Yeahhh no

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Honestly Kualsi, you have me at an impass;
You ask for good Halo books and...

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Well.
I cant really think of any BAD ones.
Theres...less than great ones. But no BAD ones

gilded mason
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I can, I can!

jolly swift
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I guess where should I start

last anchor
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Id say read in release order. Since most of the books were meant to be read that way as part of a sequence

terse lava
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Agreed, just thought it was something far worse based on how you guys were talking. Anyway, I will day Broken Circle is the best book

gilded mason
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At least three bad ones. I say, in a completely biased manner, avoid the Kilo-5 trilogy. :^)

jolly swift
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But internet funnyman Brian David Gilbert said they were fun

terse lava
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Yea Kilo is pretty...oof

jolly swift
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I'm probably gonna go for the Forerunner trilogy since I like space operas

last anchor
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And its Greg Bear

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Just be prepared for things to be kind of...nonsensical in some places.

terse lava
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True that is a good series

jolly swift
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Neural Physics

terse lava
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You gotta do it the right way, Neural....

gilded mason
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Physics

terse lava
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There we go

last anchor
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Hahahah

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Ahh I missed this

terse lava
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Hm?

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That's pretty much become our running gag here isn't it Ostral?

gilded mason
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;)

jolly swift
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I still think it's stupid that the Rookie ||died like a chump||

gilded mason
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Yeah, personally I find it kinda sad. Since I would've liked to see his character fleshed out and expanded upon. I miss the lost potential.

jolly swift
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My favorite theory I've heard is that he ||got replaced with a flash clone and then was turned into basically a Spartan 4 headhunter||

gilded mason
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lol

jolly swift
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Maybe we'll see him again if these Blood books become a trilogy

fair hazel
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A lot of people favour the kilo five trilogy

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Indeed I’ll say no bad halo books

gilded mason
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I know. Erick.

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I know.

last anchor
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I have to agree honestly.
I dont like the Kilo 5 books but I dont HATE them.
They did give us a lot of good stuff

fair hazel
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I was talking to a friend earlier and he mentioned how he kept sleeping.

last anchor
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including Infinity

terse lava
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I will only say this. Barns.

gilded mason
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Infinity was already gonna be a thing, with or without Kilo-5

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Swimming

fair hazel
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And I was like , he probably slept. Got captured, went back to sleep. Then got killed in his sleep

terse lava
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I could see it

versed helm
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but who would kill him in his sleep?

oblique ore
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Unpopular opinion: People who get angry over the fact the halo reach contradicted the fall of reach need to realize halo is first and foremost a game series and the books are there to be cool and give backstory, not to tell the story of a game

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i guess what im saying in short is games > books

west silo
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Thank god that 343 don't have that way of thought

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Maybe if it was a obscure lore source or something

oblique ore
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wdym

west silo
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The games greater than books thing bungie had

oblique ore
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star trek takes the tv shows and movies over the books and no one is mad about that (and they have made some pretty intense contradictions)

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i think a story accurate halo reach would have been boring as hell dude

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books are never meant to be games imo

west silo
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star trek takes the tv shows and movies over the books and no one is mad about that (and they have made some pretty intense contradictions)
@oblique ore
Because the books have been stated to not only be non canon but also very bad

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Which in the case of halo is very different

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Because halo books are actually good

oblique ore
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whaaat

west silo
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And aren't non canon

oblique ore
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vendetta was awesome dude

west silo
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Yes the star trek books are mostly non canon

oblique ore
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star wars does the same thing

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and they have tons upon tons of canon books

west silo
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Disney buying star wars was a mistake

oblique ore
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facts

west silo
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You should be a shamed comparing the dumbos at disney with halo

oblique ore
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if you prefer the fall of reach to halo reach, thats your opinion, but if you prefer halo reachs story to the novel, why be upset

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they did it when lucas was in charge!

west silo
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Especially since they retconed the universe only to make a worse remake of it

obsidian thistle
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Star Trek books are Beta Canon. Which are not Alpha canon last I heard.

west silo
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they did it when lucas was in charge!
@oblique ore
No during 2013 or 14 when Disney bought lucas arts

oblique ore
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ok i guess i was a little misinformed when it comes to the canon of star trek books, but star wars (not disney) does it to

west silo
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Dang it TROS is just poor mans dark empire

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ok i guess i was a little misinformed when it comes to the canon of star trek books, but star wars (not disney) does it to
@oblique ore
And look where that got star wars?

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Do you really want halo to be like star wars now?

oblique ore
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the new halo games are trash broski, it already is like star wars now

west silo
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They massacred that golden goose

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the new halo games are trash broski, it already is like star wars now
@oblique ore
What ever you say

oblique ore
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ok im not one to shame for an opinion, but you actually liked 4 and 5?

west silo
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Yes

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It what got me into the franchise

oblique ore
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i think you are the first person i have talked to who did

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do you think they are better than bungies games?

west silo
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I like the guns in 343 era more than bungie

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Because they give variety

oblique ore
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i think reach was the second best fps game ever

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i can see that

west silo
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The story in 4 was awesome

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The one in 5 was bad

oblique ore
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it is kinda just shotgun ar pistol smg

west silo
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For bungie?

oblique ore
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ye

west silo
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If yes then yeah

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The covenant weapons were mostly if you had nothing else to use

oblique ore
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yeah

west silo
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Except the beam rifle

oblique ore
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except for "High Charity" in halo 2

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and that

west silo
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The focus rifle should be ashamed

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What were bungie thinking

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And it had such a cool design

oblique ore
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lol

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yeah

west silo
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The needle rifle was just trying to be a carbine

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And it failed

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It even reloads the same

oblique ore
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oh yeah its famiy friendly oops

west silo
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Yeah

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Its annoying most of the times

oblique ore
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arent the games M rated?

west silo
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Looks at 5

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Maybe

oblique ore
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i have the cases right next to me lemme check

west silo
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Its teen

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Its kinda sad not a deal breaker

oblique ore
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oh yeah

west silo
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But we're probably never gonna see naked cortana again

oblique ore
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lol

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that was in 4 wasnt it?

west silo
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Yep

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M

oblique ore
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she didnt have like, genitalia

west silo
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And it has the best cortana

oblique ore
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just an hourglass figure

west silo
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And the teen one has the worse

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But yeah I got into halo thanks to 4 and see my surprise when I found reach

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I was not prepared for. Armor abilities

oblique ore
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omg that word got me a warning?

west silo
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Its still one of my favorite games though can beat 4 player slayer on sword base

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Careful

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Too much and you'll get a ban

oblique ore
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is 5 the only T rated halo?

west silo
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The mobile games are too

oblique ore
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oh

west silo
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And the halo wars games as well

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But those are rts

oblique ore
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we need a better rating system in the US

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halo reach has the same rating as DOOM Eternal

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and mortal kombat

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like what

west silo
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Fun fact in Australia halo is rated teens

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All of them

oblique ore
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that makes sense

west silo
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Well maybe not CE

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halo reach has the same rating as DOOM Eternal
@oblique ore
Really?

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That's surprising

oblique ore
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my teenage brain was utterly traumatized at the sight of..... grunt birthday party

west silo
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Halo reach barely has any blood

oblique ore
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oh god i will never sleep again! i saw a grunt explode into confetti

west silo
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All halos barely have blood

oblique ore
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yeah

west silo
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Well except CE

oblique ore
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idk where you are but M is the highest in the USA

west silo
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Isn't that A?

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An adult rating

oblique ore
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i have heard of A, but thats if you make a, umm, how do i say this, adult game?

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i have never seen a game rated A

west silo
#

Cyberpunk 2077 got an A rating

oblique ore
#

really?

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in US?

west silo
#

Well it did in Brazil

#

And we know Brazil

#

But yeah the most gory halo has ever been is in the EU

oblique ore
#

yeah so apparantly you can only sell games rated A in adult shops

west silo
#

And to be honest if the games were as gory as the EU it would basically be gears

oblique ore
#

yeah

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the eu gets kinda disturbing

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yeah so apparantly you can only sell games rated A in adult shops
this is why i have never seen one

west silo
#

I guess it has to have a lot of s*x to get a A rating

oblique ore
#

yeah

west silo
#

Man what the fastest way to kill a beloved game

oblique ore
#

who would make a game for an A rating

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it just wont sell

west silo
#

There are adult games

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And people mostly by games online now so

#

It mostly a how restricted is your area thing

oblique ore
#

ah

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yeah there is a complete list of A rated games on wikipedia

#

its very short

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basically all for S*x

west silo
#

I knew it

oblique ore
#

one of them came out in 1993

west silo
#

Because the only thing worse than watching a man get tore in half is s*x

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Remember that

oblique ore
#

lol what could possibly be A rated with like 2 pixels

#

true

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lol

west silo
#

Killing is okay

oblique ore
#

in doom i lift up the arachnotrons legs and shove in its eyes

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but s*x?!?!?!

west silo
#

But b**bs are a big no no

oblique ore
#

the doomslayer would never indulge in such demonic activities

#

a quick google search can prove that wrong lmao

west silo
#

Reminds me of some one complaining about the se*ually imagines in GTA

oblique ore
#

lmao its gta

#

who cares what gta does

west silo
#

Completely forgetting that the game is quite literally murder simiulator

oblique ore
#

and a dang fun one

west silo
#

Yeah a bouncing car is too far
But murdering people is fine

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and a dang fun one
@oblique ore
No argument there

oblique ore
#

take your five year old to see Halloween, but be careful, theres b**bs make sure to bring your blindfolds! but take them off just in time for michael myers to strangle her with a phonee cord!!!

west silo
#

Hey now Michael doesn't kill kids!!

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Well until the 2018 remake

oblique ore
#

he killed a kid?

#

i saw that one

#

oh wait

#

in the car

west silo
#

Yeah

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I grew up with the rob zombie one

#

So I was use to the gore

oblique ore
#

that one is terrifying

#

that guy is like 8 feet tall

west silo
#

Because that one was more animal than anything

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Especially the second movie

oblique ore
#

yeah

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i wonder why michael didnt just knock the kid out or smth

#

he was very careful never to kill kids in the ogs

west silo
#

Well shock value

#

To show this one doesn't mess around

oblique ore
#

yeah i guess

#

so is halloween kills a troll or is that really the title of the movie

west silo
#

Remember the original micheals kills were usually clean

oblique ore
#

yeah

#

no blood in the 1978 classic

west silo
#

So to see him get mess catches some of guard

oblique ore
#

yeah

west silo
#

so is halloween kills a troll or is that really the title of the movie
@oblique ore
?

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As in micheals?

oblique ore
#

the movie thats coming out next year

#

"Halloween Kills" sequel to 2018

west silo
#

Well he's gonna be back

oblique ore
#

yeah

#

but is that actually the title of the movie

#

its so corny lmao

west silo
#

If you watched the originals you know he doesn't go down easily

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Especially part 2

oblique ore
#

oh yeah

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he gets shot in the eyes and set on fire

west silo
#

Where they retconed his death from burned to death to its just a scratch

oblique ore
#

lol

west silo
#

And then there's resurrection

oblique ore
#

i only saw 1 2 and 2018

west silo
#

Where they retconed his death to it was someone esle

oblique ore
#

oh and the rob zombie ones

#

i heard the rest were bad

west silo
#

The rob zombie ones where giod

#

It just felt like a edgy music video sometimes

oblique ore
#

lmao

west silo
#

One second hes about to kill someone
And the next its a Billie eylish song

oblique ore
#

yeah

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i miss eerie michael

#

the one that stands at the bottom of stairs and looks up at you

west silo
#

Man Michael is basically city Jason

oblique ore
#

the one that magically vanishes out of laundry

#

kinda i guess

west silo
#

The detective was my favorite character

#

He goes completely insane by the beginning of the first movie

oblique ore
#

oh yeah

#

loomis?

west silo
#

Alright its extremely late where am at so laters

oblique ore
#

ok its late here too im just doing math homework

#

its 2:38am

#

cya

cinder sluice
#

😁

jolly swift
#

Only just realized that part of why Chief's suit was "totally fried" at the start of 2 probably wasn't just the wear from the Battle of Installation 04, it was Cortana using the suit to overload the phase pulse generators

last anchor
#

Technically, its only the optics that were "totally fried", but yes.
Also, the various bangs, explosions, unprotected slipspace insertions, and all kinds of "weird stuff" Chief went through in First Strike

#

Oh and TIME DILATION via forerunner crystal

#

If I remember right specifically the Mark V had several issues following Chiefs use of it;

Viscosity in the gel layer (most likely the pressurized gel for the lockup, rather than the only other option, the nanoliquid peizeoelectric fluid in the suit itself)
Plating failures (no indication of that but considering it got sliced up real good by an energy sword and then exposed to radiation of all kinds...)
Optics fried of course (Pulse generators as Kualsi mentioned)
And apperently the power supply was funky too (though Gunns dumps what looks like a computer power brick on the armory table rather than the more preusmable MASSIVE FUSION REACTOR)

humble yacht
#

the power source was depleted

#

it's the future, fusion generators can be small

last anchor
#

It still seems REALLY tiny for something powering this entire suit.

#

I mean it fills that entire backpack on the unit right?

humble yacht
#

terminator also has tiny reactors

last anchor
#

Maybe its only the safe part of it and the reactors elswhere. I dont think throwing around a fusion core is a great idea...

#

Actually do we even know what happened to his MK V suit?

humble yacht
#

don't think so

last anchor
#

We know the MK IV helmet (or one of them) is presumably on the training station for S-IVs

#

Cause of the blurb in H5.

#

Or is that the MK V helmet...I forget.

jolly swift
#

the Mark V is rugged as all heck, but Chief beat the tar out of it

fair hazel
#

Mark IV

jolly swift
#

also side note but I love that ODST is basically half Maltese Falcon and half Die Hard

dusty prawn
#

I didn’t think the little thing he dropped was meant to be the power supply, merely some arbitrary component. But maybe, who knows.

west silo
#

He did say the fuel cells are fried

stable flower
#

Did you guys know there's a Ukrainian wrestler named Vladimir Kozlov? Now when I think of the Koslovics, I think of him.

flat bone
#

who is koslovics?

stable flower
#

A neo-Communist militant group active in the mid-2100s.

terse lava
#

Been wondering lately. The infection form that manages to get Mercy. Why waste time attemptingn ton strangle him rather then just infect him

vague scroll
#

one last regret

flat bone
#

wdym

versed helm
#

I always find it odd how brute captain and majors are permitted to wield the gravity hammer outside of the covenant because normally chieftains wield the weapon

#

Like to me that defeat the purpose of having chieftains that only wield the hammer

terse lava
#

Well I figure jiralhanae culture isn't as stringent as sangheili culture when it comes to their main ceremonial weapon. Could argue those captains were gifted the hammer, or actually won it from their chieftain

versed helm
#

True but it’s weird lol

terse lava
#

Could also argue they just prefer their original armor over that of what a chieftain would wear

versed helm
#

Fair enough lol

keen dragon
#

Did the Spartans go trick or treating when they were kids, and did the UNSC create a haunted house for the young recruits on Reach during October?

jolly swift
#

Almost certainly not

#

There's no way they'd be that kind to them

#

To the UNSC, the Spartans were soldiers, not kids

versed helm
#

I doubt Halloween would of been a thing around the halo timeline

flat bone
#

why are most UNSC vehicles named around animals

#

and covenant vehicles are based around ghosts or something

gilded mason
#

Because it's neat

terse lava
#

It's their theme

flat bone
#

but like

#

kraken

terse lava
#

Yeah?

flat bone
#

it falls off theme

#

and broadsword

stable flower
#

I'm surprised they don't have vehicle named Ghoul.

flat bone
#

yeah

stable flower
#

Or Apparition.

flat bone
#

ghoul first

#

what are the dropships in CE called?

carmine sleet
#

Spirits

flat bone
#

they fit

#

scarabs dont fit

stable flower
#

UNSC - Animal names. Covenant - Supernatural entity names. Forerunner - ???? names.

terse lava
#

Multi limbed covenant devices seem to share a more animal idea

carmine sleet
#

Scarabs have supernatural connotations thanks to Ancient Egypt

flat bone
#

oh

terse lava
#

That too, and the Kraken was a mythical creature who sunk ships

flat bone
#

but not supernatural

#

how many forerunner vehicles r there

#

phaeton

#

thats it?

stable flower
#

In-game, yes.

flat bone
#

a foreunnerr tank would be cool

#

it shoots a beam

#

like the binary rifle

fair hazel
#

how is the kraken not supernatural

flat bone
#

supernatural as in ghosts

#

its more mythical

#

idk

#

its physical

terse lava
#

Forerunner naming were more...military themed. Fortress, harrier, dragoons, etc.

flat bone
#

dreadnaught

terse lava
#

That is a class of dragoon

flat bone
#

ohhh

terse lava
#

Mhm, the ones you see in halo wars and halo legends are that

flat bone
#

k

versed helm
#

Dreadnaught

#

Sphinxes

#

Dang, the forerunners had cool names for ship classes

terse lava
#

Despair class hunter killer weapon ships

fair hazel
#

war-sphinxes, not sure i'd say they're ships

twilit stratus
#

supernatural as in ghosts
@flat bone Ghosts are paranormal. Super natural implies something that is beyond our understanding and does not belong to our usual (natural world). Supernatural is a phenomenon that is something we will never understand. Paranormal implies quite the opposite. It's something science cannot currently explain, but that might likely be explained somewhere further down the road like spirits, souls, and ghosts for example.

I'm sorry I do suffer from OCD and I can't help but to properly define words, and attempt to be wholly accurate. I mean no harm... but I just wanted to make sure you understood the terminology.

west silo
#

So that's what paranormal means

opal birch
#

and broadsword
@flat bone UNSC fighters/bombers are named after swords

west silo
#

And most of there vehicles are naned after animals

viral root
#

so if the covenant has massive fleets, why was truths fleet so small in halo 3

#

wouldnt he, as leader of the covenant, have access to all of them. Especially since he found humanity's homeworld. and both his rivals were dead. and he was activating the ark

#

why would he only have so few ships at the end of it all

versed helm
#

They were busy fighting the unsc in space I think

#

And he under estimated the humans most likely

carmine sleet
#

why would he only have so few ships at the end of it all
Most of the fleets that were loyal to Truth were elsewhere, Truth's fleet in Halo 3 was his own personal fleet and given everything that happened in Halo 2, many of the ships from the fleet were likely to have been lost in combat against the Elites around Installation 05

tired mulch
#

hola

versed helm
#

Hey guys,
I hope this is the right Channel for my question. With the xbox series x I'm getting my first xbox. Now my question is in what order should i play Halo? Thank you very much

tired mulch
#

hola

#

molaria q hicieran un server de residence evil

warm bronze
#

Hey Duric. Recommend just playing them in order of release. Helps you get the story properly. But if you prefer to just have good gameplay, I'd start with 3 then play the others at your own pace

carmine sleet
#

Release order for the FPS games goes Combat Evolved, 2, 3, ODST, Reach, 4, 5

#

Also important to note that all of those but Halo 5 are in MCC (Although, Halo 4 is not on PC yet but is coming soon)

versed helm
#

Thank you very much @warm bronze @carmine sleet Big help 🙂

carmine sleet
#

No problem

warm bronze
#

No worries

flat bone
#

Thanks ssd conker and vex

wispy wasp
#

is the ringing present in most (if not all) levels with the flood in it, a noise that the flood make or is it just a part of the music?

faint stone
#

ringing?

wispy wasp
#

it's like a beeping

#

but it seems to be present in almost every level with the flood in it

carmine sleet
#

If it is what I think you mean, that's just the soundtrack

craggy sierra
#

Considering the track I think you’re talking about first appears in the second mission of CE where there are no flood, I think that’s just the music.

faint stone
#

tbh

#

gravemind soundtrack from 3 is a banger when the drums kick in

inner basin
#

Only Flood track I like is Devils... Monsters... (which is from CE)

versed helm
#

All gravemind tracks are gangsta

faint stone
#

gravemind are confirmed to be trolls

#

poor ur didact

jolly swift
#

if Chief jumped into War Games, how much would he win by?

gilded mason
#

He'd get dead last.

obsidian thistle
#

John isnt the best Spartan.

#

Just to be clear

#

Other Spartans are better than him in numerous areas.

terse lava
#

He just has the most plot ar- I mean luck

humble yacht
#

Chief is one letter away from being sucky

jolly swift
#

what letter?

maiden crescent
#

Other Spartans are better than him in numerous areas.
@obsidian thistle yeah, but they aren’t called Demon

inner basin
#

A lot of Spartans have been called "Demons" actually

jolly swift
#

but they don't get the capital d

maiden crescent
#

Exactly

#

He is THE Demon

faint stone
#

chief is best

maiden crescent
#

Yes

faint stone
#

achkuallly

#

cheef is not best bcuz pwot warmor

#

yessir

#

chief did not save humanity and the galaxy

#

nope

maiden crescent
#

Heresy

faint stone
#

lemme just pull out my 'ur wrong bcuz books teehee'

west silo
#

Aren't all Spartans known as demons?

faint stone
#

yes

#

hence why atriox calls red team little demons

west silo
#

Like how would the covenant even know the difference between the Spartans

faint stone
#

mainly since they expected humans to be easy to kill etc

#

well john was The Demon

#

and they knew very well of him

#

armour etc

west silo
#

Its not like they were walking around with there names on there armors

faint stone
#

it's like how the doom slayer was feared in hell

west silo
#

There weren't multiple Doomslayers

faint stone
#

right but he also wore knight sentinel armour

#

and was still named the slayer when he wore it

west silo
#

A very distinct knight sentinel armor

faint stone
#

alongside other sentinels

#

kinda

#

he wore the gladiator one

#

but then he met the fella who sold his sons soul to hell

west silo
#

That's before he was known as Doomslayer

faint stone
#

who forged the armour he wears now

west silo
#

Gotta start somewhere

#

He wasn't just called Doomslayer

faint stone
#

once he started fighting with the sentinels against hell, that's when he was named the doomslayer

#

doomguy to doomslayer

west silo
#

No it was after millennia of tormenting hell

faint stone
#

fairs they said at the start of doom 16 they named him the slayer

west silo
#

That's after millennia

faint stone
#

no

west silo
#

The codex

faint stone
#

when he was fighting alongside the sentinels he was known as the slayer

west silo
#

Straight up said that

faint stone
#

in 16?

#

eternal changed it

west silo
#

Eternal changed alot of things

#

But thats a derail

#

We were talking about chief

faint stone
#

yeah

west silo
#

How would the covenant tell the difference between chief and any other Spartan

faint stone
#

because the chief is scary

#

duh

#

other spartans too but chiefy was The Demon

#

whilst they would call other spartans demons as well

#

but chief basically defined it

west silo
#

Dude all Spartans wore the almost the exact same armor

faint stone
#

dude ik

west silo
#

They wouldn't be able to tell the difference

faint stone
#

lets throw the 'this demon, this master chief'

#

outta the window

#

how did they know chief was the one who blew up halo

#

lol

west silo
#

Almost all the feats chief does other 2 were probably capable of it

faint stone
#

okay

#

and

west silo
#

Dang it one in out dated armor held off an entire ship

faint stone
#

don't see other spartan 2s blowing up a halo ring

west silo
#

Because they weren't there

faint stone
#

it's like

#

weeewwww

#

so how was chief

#

boom

#

mind blown

#

fair enough they all trained together but chief is basically the best spartan alive lol

#

not because of the 'hypah wethal' designation

west silo
#

No just lucky

faint stone
#

but by achievements

#

thats a good way to explain it

west silo
#

And anti social

faint stone
#

okay

#

does he get the job done

#

yey or ney

west silo
#

He gets it done

faint stone
#

like hey you know spartan locke

#

kills a lotta covies

#

guess he's as good as chiefy right

west silo
#

Never denyed that

faint stone
#

no luck required yeh

#

never said you did bro

west silo
#

Isn't that his entire gimmick

#

Lucky

versed helm
#

If we're being bluntly honest....more or less.

west silo
#

Like I chose you because luck

#

Because you special

#

Because you guess coin

faint stone
#

should also remember when chief got teleported by the gravemind into HC

#

brutes literally say 'The Demon is here'

west silo
#

They just said demon

faint stone
#

nope

#

that sounds stupid as hell

#

saying

#

'demon is here

#

like fairs they're broots

#

but they know how to speak basic english lol

west silo
#

Plus you know all the other Spartans were gone

faint stone
#

all?

#

i thought they were on onyx

#

come on buff

west silo
#

Because bungie were in the whole last Spartan phase

faint stone
#

can't just be saying all spartans were dead

#

right

west silo
#

Yes they were on onyx

faint stone
#

but they could've changed it for H2A yeah?

#

just shortened the line

#

but nope they didnt lol

#

chief was feared by the covies

versed helm
#

Not all of the other spartans were on onyx

#

only a handful were.

west silo
#

Black team where I don't know

#

And grey team were sent planet killing

versed helm
#

Red were in cryo. and there were spartans on earth/sol system

west silo
#

But seriously what were black team doing

versed helm
#

Black Team things.

faint stone
#

killing drones

#

killing forerunner stuff

west silo
#

Red were in cryo. and there were spartans on earth/sol system
@versed helm
Redteam were officially MIA

faint stone
#

until a forerunner killed them

#

all spartans are MIA

#

duh

west silo
#

The serious kind

#

As in dead

versed helm
#

it's not about what's official always, sometimes it's about what you know.

faint stone
#

red team were last seen with the spirit of fire before leaving the orbit of arcadia's planet

versed helm
#

red team were in indefinite-cryo on the spirit of fire.

faint stone
#

and after that spirit of fire and red team were all classed as MIA

west silo
#

Dude they were placed that because the ship they were on was lost with all hands

faint stone
#

yes

versed helm
#

Yes. But they were still alive.

faint stone
#

nobody is saying anything opposite lol

#

jesus

#

u okay bro

#

dude

#

dude dude dude

versed helm
#

Sometimes it's about what you, the player/reader knows, more than what's stated in a fictional report.

#

That's a type of literary irony

west silo
#

Am talking in universe

#

Of course we know

versed helm
#

and in-universe, they're still in cryo

west silo
#

The people in universe obviously don't know

#

Because there missing

faint stone
#

right

#

they were classed as MIA

west silo
#

For 30 years

faint stone
#

yes

#

spartans never die bro

#

chief was classed as MIA but people thought he died

versed helm
#

and chief was missing for 8, but we aren't going to outright classify him as MIA

west silo
#

And most people in universe think they died with the ship

#

and chief was missing for 8, but we aren't going to outright classify him as MIA
@versed helm
He was classified

faint stone
#

no

#

lol

west silo
#

Dont you remember halo 3 ending

faint stone
#

well

#

i think you're being a big old smooth brain rn

west silo
#

The memorial for everyone who died

faint stone
#

and forgetting the big old 117 lol

#

his 'death' wasn't classified

west silo
#

That meant they thought he died

faint stone
#

it's just arby ofc told them that chief was on the other side of the portal

versed helm
#

His file was labeled MIA. but this discussion doesn't rely entirely on what the people in-universe believes. because by that logic, Grey Team wasn't doing what they were doing and the Spartan 3's never existed

#

not at the time of onyx

faint stone
#

grey team were unhinged

#

bruh don't be swearing

#

bad boy

#

tis' be civil

west silo
#

Arbiter just said that to make himself feel better

faint stone
#

er

#

sure...

west silo
#

You guys are sounding like Di*ks right now

faint stone
#

hows that

#

because we don't agree with you

#

boohoo

west silo
#

He was classified as dead

faint stone
#

nope MIA

west silo
#

Remember the halo 4 intro

faint stone
#

yes

#

'his file reads MIA'

#

lmao

west silo
#

You as in dead

inner basin
#

His file read MIA but people did believe him to be dead

faint stone
#

it's just people had common knowledge mia was dead for spartans

west silo
#

Because Spartans never die

faint stone
#

hence why someone literally scraped in 117 on the memorial

west silo
#

It the moral thing

faint stone
#

no

#

it's to show them as indestructible lol

west silo
#

Do you really think Spartans are immortal

faint stone
#

if it's a moral thing it clearly wasn't working

versed helm
#

So, remember. All of this is considered in hindsight as well. It's based on the information we know now, not what they knew then.

faint stone
#

oh yeah

#

deffo

west silo
#

Oh it was

faint stone
#

that's why his friend died lol

#

oh god all spartans are immortal yes

west silo
#

Dude your being really childish

#

Like oh boo hoo

#

Really

#

In universe all Spartan deaths are classified as MIA

versed helm
#

Calm down please. It's also not really considerate to call someone childish after calling other people insults in a very childish fashion.

faint stone
#

lol

west silo
#

Okay lets just stop this since we're not going to agree on anything

faint stone
#

spartan calm down you'll blow a bloodvessel

#

we don't have to lol

craggy sierra
#

Looks like fun things happening in here

west silo
#

You think am upset

faint stone
#

no

#

not really

west silo
#

Okay

faint stone
#

but for some reason i feel like you are

west silo
#

Weird

faint stone
#

you told me

#

so you're the weirdo duh

versed helm
#

Move on.

#

This isn't the place for this.

west silo
#

Its like this is the internet and not everyone will agree with something you

faint stone
#

well

#

should've expected that

west silo
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I have no reason to be upset

faint stone
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yet you are

west silo
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Especially since things like this happen all the time

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yet you are
@faint stone
Am I tho?

faint stone
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you told me

west silo
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You just said you didn't think I was yet your saying I am

versed helm
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Oi.

faint stone
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you gave me a pretty sad 'okay' when i said i'm getting the feeling you are

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lol

west silo
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you told me
@faint stone
No I said do you think I am

faint stone
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i do now ig

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i can send funny meme for u

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that'll make you laugh

west silo
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Okay since am warning now am a drop this

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Because am getting warned about "sensitive topics"

versed helm
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No, you're continuing to argue. as I'd stated, this is not the place for it.

faint stone
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lol

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epic add chief to smash bros for the books

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more books for the lore community to argue about yeh

west silo
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Steve is already there

faint stone
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so add more

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there's 2 microsoft owned ips in smash now

west silo
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Nothing really holding them back

faint stone
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fallout and minecraft atm

west silo
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Doomslayer for Smash when?

faint stone
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they would suit skins tbh

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chief gets a mii gunner skin and slayer a mii fighter with the crucible

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but i think it'll be the doomguy since they've acc made a statement that doomguy is a better choice

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probs since easier design and not as brootal as slayers look

west silo
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Nah the Steve animation is pretty faithful to the game

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They would probably make chiefs special a Spartan laser

faint stone
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honestly i think the mii skin is better

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mainly since chief has guns and stuff and it's not really friendly

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since snake doesn't use guns but uses fake stuff lol

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which is character friendly bcuz of tranqs etc

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so if chief gets a mii gunner skin it'd probably be a plasma rifle or pistol

west silo
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Never really used snake

faint stone
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as in plasma pistol

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he's awful

west silo
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More a Kirby guy

faint stone
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worst character

humble yacht
faint stone
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you're a lore and universe channel

west silo
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So then speculation on the new book coming out

rotund echo
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Is it just me, or did anyone else think that Jul 'Mdama would have a bigger role in Guardians?

craggy sierra
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Everyone kinda did

rotund echo
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It kinda upset me when they killed him off

west silo
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That an understatement

rotund echo
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he had so much potential

west silo
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Everyone did

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Remember the didact the big bad with 3 books of backstory?

rotund echo
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you mean the guy who died and never actually impacted anything too much?

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yeah

west silo
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He's not dead

craggy sierra
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Didact I think I was more okay with him leaving after 4 and tbh if not for the comic I would’ve just assumed he died in 4.

west silo
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Just never to be seen again

rotund echo
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same

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I thought he died too

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I think he could've had more of a impact and been a good villain if he had been in more games

west silo
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Don't worry a coloring book has it all

craggy sierra
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But I think Didact got put into a similar position as the flood did where it’s just like “what do we do with you now.”

west silo
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Man but with him it was just one game

rotund echo
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The Flood just kinda disappeared and it feels bad

west silo
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And he's barely in it

rotund echo
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Didact was a poorly used villian

craggy sierra
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Dude set out to try to vaporize all of humanity and nearly succeeded. What’s he gonna do next week? Try to do the same thing again?

west silo
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Well he did

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He just ended up doing it to himself

rotund echo
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The entire story of Halo 4 was a cool idea but it just felt poorly executed

craggy sierra
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I’d hardly say the flood just disappeared given Halo 3’s ending.

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But they’re in the same position of you just can’t do much with them now.

west silo
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The entire story of Halo 4 was a cool idea but it just felt poorly executed
@rotund echo
The story was actually pretty good the multiplayer killed it

rotund echo
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the multiplayer was quite nice imo

west silo
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And with 5 its the reverse

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The multiplayer good
Story bad

rotund echo
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5 just was a failure of a game, it seems like while the trailers were coming out, they just scrapped the storyline entirely and reworked it

craggy sierra
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Its multiplayer is rather well regarded at least

west silo
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Well that kinda happened

rotund echo
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Halo 5 multi is cool

west silo
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Its actually surprising it survived for so long

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I had a really poor launch

rotund echo
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It seemed like 5's first trailers seemed to be centered around Chief's and Locke's conflict way more than it actually did in game

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idk

west silo
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And somehow out lived relatively new successful games

rotund echo
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I was expecting a epic conflict and rivalry between the two and it never came

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Halo 5 multi is a trooper

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it's outlived so many other games multi's

west silo
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Yah the locke chief thing seemed forced in game

craggy sierra
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Tbh I don’t know how you could write that “epic rivalry” when Locke’s just doing his day job.

rotund echo
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lmao

west silo
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Well so waa chief

rotund echo
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I mean I wanted there to be more actual conflict there

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not one fight scene

west silo
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Those locke didn't really come off as the man to take chief

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Especially if you watched nightfall

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He came off more as a rookie

rotund echo
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It was just like:
Locke: Come with me
Chief: Nah
Locke: Fair enough, have a good day

west silo
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Especially if you expected am oni assassin to have no morals

craggy sierra
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Well lets be honest, the conflict was never going to be that hostile to begin with.

west silo
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The trailer straight up had one dying in each and was all which is true

craggy sierra
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The main conceit of the story was that Locke was probably going to eventually come to an understanding of what chief was doing and accept it.

west silo
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Or maybe have a metal gear ending

rotund echo
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lol

west silo
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Where he realizes it too late

craggy sierra
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And Reach’s trailer promised me a part where I was going to be football running with a bomb towards a carrier

west silo
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Well that was different

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Maybe

rotund echo
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ok guys, thanks for chatting wit me but I gtg, my girl keeps bothering me

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see ya

west silo
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And Reach’s trailer promised me a part where I was going to be football running with a bomb towards a carrier
@craggy sierra
You did shot a criuser

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Ok bye

terse lava
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Hm? You shoot a cruiser in reach

inner basin
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Well we did support the destruction of a Carrier, and shot down a Cruiser with a Mass Driver

west silo
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Hm? You shoot a cruiser in reach
@terse lava
Seems like somebody didn't save the autumn

vagrant hawk
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you shoot down the Covenant cruiser thats about to glass the autumn at the end of reach earlier in the mission Exodus you take down a Corvette with the rocket launcher turret

terse lava
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Yea...that's a cruiser

west silo
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Oh I see what you mean

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My mistake

stable flower
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We supported the destruction of two of them.

lone smelt
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can someone catch me up on halo lore

unique rune
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have you tried checking Halopedia

lone smelt
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didn't know that existed

hollow sorrel
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So is it true that the flood used to be the precoursers (that's not how you spell that)?

vagrant hawk
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yeah