idk bro
#lore-and-universe
keen delta
yes but having a fight where you can do nothing is not exactly fun
stable flower
that sounds like the ending to halo 5, which was terrible
@keen delta "Took you long enough."
lapis ferry
fair enough
keen delta
actually kinda like the monitor fight before johnson gives you the spartan laser
Its very hard to do boss encounters with a FPS
stable flower
Games like Quake, Unreal, and Doom did boss encounters just great.
keen delta
yeah maybe the first time you fought warden eternal, but it couldve done without the following 3 or 4 encounters
west silo
Yeah at least make the encounter a bit different
You know the maurader remains me of warden
keen delta
I didnt play doom eternal but 2016 doom had good bosses
keen delta
as for halo, some of the better 'boss' encounters are not really bosses themselves. things like the scarab walkers in halo 3/ODST. the zealots at the end of halo reach or the 4 hunters in the club on new alexandria.
zenith veldt
i didn't think the zealots would be considered bosses
hard epoch
sorry to interupt but in halo master chief collection theres supressors right?
versed helm
suppressors as in?
hard epoch
like in the loading screen it says slienced smg
versed helm
on the guns?
hard epoch
yea @versed helm
versed helm
ohhh.i havent played MCC yet. cant say
keen delta
you know what I mean. They are tougher than your average covenant elite encounter both with how they are positioned and equipped, and they are the last dudes you actually fight before beating the game (I count lone wolf as an epilogue since its unbeatable)
their is a suppressed SMG and a Suppressed M6C (called the automag in game) in halo ODST both were ported to the halo 3 sandbox @hard epoch
keen delta
oh I think the suppressed smg is in the halo 2 anniversary multiplayer as well
stiff creek
Mmhm.
hard epoch
sick
past violet
question: so the gungir helmet was made for the spartan laser? i always just thought it was like the demolition crew sorta thing
stable flower
I wanna learn more about the Interplanetary War and the proxy wars before it.
fair hazel
They were made in tandem
flat bone
whats the strongest handheld weapon, any faction
faint stone
railgun since a marine can hold it
or you could say a needler
rockets are explosive but railguns are something else
more easier to carry
keen delta
either rail gun or spartan laser
versed helm
Saw and rail gun
west silo
And for humans
The stanchion
jolly swift
M6D Magnum
white linden
its so weird that the assault rifle only has 32 shots and battle rifle has 36
i guess they fixed it in halo 5
white linden
prbly the logistics around having 2 different magazine sizes
and the fully auto gun has less ammo
versed helm
as long as it can kill, ima use it
white linden
especially when it uses a more arbitrary number to divide by
versed helm
usually when i play halo, im trying to survive, so when im out of ammo, i grab what i can and make the most use out of it, thats how you survive longer, you also want to plan things out sometimes, and just jump in. that way you know what your doing and how you are doing it. also dont forget a backup plan. especially in co-op.
white linden
im just saying
they made the gun that uses ammo faster
have a smaller magazine capacity
versed helm
ok
white linden
dats just weird
loud tiger
jolly swift
Why is the level called Two Betrayals? I get Spark is one betrayal, but what's the second?
gilded mason
One interpretation could be Spark was betrayed by John in turn. Or (less likely) a reference to Cortana originally becoming evil during this part.
jolly swift
and British
stiff creek
^
versed helm
What game was two betrayals in? CE?
gilded mason
Yes
versed helm
Im pretty sure its the first one, then
that chief and cortana planned to pull a quick one by reking the ring
after spark betrayed chief by not telling him the ring was a super weapon
terse lava
"Two Betrayals" would refer to Spark becoming hostile to Chief and Chief becoming hostile to Spark
versed helm
Yep
Halo Reach wasn’t about noble team, it was about the fall of reach and that Spartans aren’t the powerful force we thought they were
terse lava
They never seemed that great anyway
lilac hare
Reach was more of a story based on the setting and atmosphere not the characters
unique rune
If only Bungie’s character writing abilities were consistently even half as good as their world building
versed helm
Aye. Its a story that shows no one can prevail against impossible odds, hyper lethal or not
But they sure did make it an emotional one
terse lava
I guess, found it hard to really like any of them
versed helm
They did a H5 there. All new chars and not enough time to connect.
jolly swift
So, does every ODST squad have a briefing/drop room like Alpha 9 does in the opening cutscene?
versed helm
Probably. It'd be weird if only one squad had it. Its probably a common room system
grand thorn
Anyone think the story line wouldn’t have been different if bungee stayed ?
stable flower
If only Bungie’s character writing abilities were consistently even half as good as their world building
@unique rune "Make sure she's got balls." - Buck
opal birch
RUN AWAY
terse lava
Cleanse it with fire
foggy juniper
Halo Reach wasn’t about noble team, it was about the fall of reach and that Spartans aren’t the powerful force we thought they were
OиегSeep
You are right Spartans weren’t the powerful force we thought they were.
But Spartan was.
dense pulsar
Maybe not the Spartan 3s
I think it was that but more so the fact they were willing to go to incredible lengths to undermine the Covenant in any way they could even if the cost was literally dying
That degree of bravery is super human in its own right
leaden minnow
if theres one thing in reach the never made sense to me at all it when kat's helmet was pierced by a needler shard but the one you are playing as (forgot the name) was able to tank hundreds of needler shots and take little to no damage
versed helm
Twas a needler rifle
higher ejection velocity, and close range, so low momentum drop
and im not too sure that it was a neddling gun
tropic wagon
how did UNSC ships float in the air during the human covenant war? Covvies have covvie tech, but UNSC gravity manipulation was lacking. How they do?
versed helm
downwards facing thrusters, fam
you apply correct amount of thrust to counterract gravity, you float
carmine sleet
and im not too sure that it was a neddling gun
It was a Needle Rifle that killed Kat
if theres one thing in reach the never made sense to me at all it when kat's helmet was pierced by a needler shard but the one you are playing as (forgot the name) was able to tank hundreds of needler shots and take little to no damage
Gameplay damage =/= canonical damage of a weapon
faint stone
i thought the frigates had grav plates too
i remember reading something about them creating magnetic grav plates which allowed them to float in the atmosphere by manipulating the magnetic field in a way
flat bone
It was a Needle Rifle that killed Kat
Gameplay damage =/= canonical damage of a weapon
Kats shields were off
carmine sleet
That is also true but the point about gameplay damage still stands
flat bone
True
faint stone
doesn't a covenant glassing beam in close proximity turn off their shields?
well disable them
because reach was pretty consistent with elites actually having shields during combat
as well as the spartans like how when emile is stabbed his shields are disabled as well
but they couldn't really block a fully sized energy sword going right through his gut could he
faint stone
also i'm wondering about this about delta hallo
since the gravemind was formed there and there was a flood outbreak which basically broke through the quarantine wall considering the sentinel factory was destroyed and the library breach, wouldn't the flood have infested the entire ring by the events of halo 3?
since high charity was hovering above and the gravemind had moved onto there so wouldn't the flood left on delta halo just began to infest the entire ring whilst high charity was moving slowly to earth
jolly swift
With a Gravemind in charge, the Flood don't spread mindlessly
At that point they're capable of strategy
So they dedicated resources to invading High Charity
glossy hemlock
i need to know why Johnson is seen in fireteam zulu on alpha halo when he should be busy getting eaten/ running from the flood with Keyes
carmine sleet
The game will randomly spawn a sergeant out of a selection of sergeants
flat bone
since the gravemind was formed there and there was a flood outbreak which basically broke through the quarantine wall considering the sentinel factory was destroyed and the library breach, wouldn't the flood have infested the entire ring by the events of halo 3?
No i think the Elites glassed the ring, when i don't know but im quite sure it was sometime after they took down tartarus. the only reason the gravemind survived is because it escaped on high charity, again not certain but thats what i think.
craggy sierra
Pretty sure the elites stayed behind and glassed the hell out of it between 2 and 3
humble yacht
But one ship got through
quiet umbra
if the glassing beam emp'd Kat's shields why did the elevator work
flat bone
two ships if u include high charity
humble yacht
i think after the one ship broke the blockade, they abandoned the blockade and chased the ship back to earth
and then high charity could just leisurely make its way there with no resistance
flat bone
right
versed helm
hu
versed helm
But will High Charity count as a ship?
west silo
Why Would they abandon the moon sized flood ship to go after one flood crusier
versed helm
It was a heckin planet with boosters
west silo
Wouldn't it be better to send some ships
flat bone
it says in the wiki
west silo
We're talking high charity
flat bone
ik
in the wiki it calls high charity the covenants planet ship
or something
planet ship ship planet same thing
west silo
Yeah so why abandon it for one ship when high charity could have just sent more
flat bone
?
west silo
What chimera said
flat bone
he was talking bout the elites
flat bone
after the ship at the end of the storm broke threw the elite blockade at delta halo
the elites followed it to earth
west silo
They just sent one ship
flat bone
no
west silo
Wasn't one elite ship?
flat bone
only one ship made it
humble yacht
they sent like a whole fleet
flat bone
thats at the ark
humble yacht
a carrier and a few destroyers
humble yacht
at the ark, Rtas's fleet consists of one carrier and a few destroyers
flat bone
yes
humble yacht
1/3 the size of Truth's fleet
flat bone
thats where the famous saying comes from
west silo
Anyways wasn't how high charity got away was because the gravemind used precursor science to make a FTL drive for high charity
I mean for it to get to the ark in 1 month
humble yacht
that was how HC go to the ark
flat bone
the gravemind has acces to the neural physics stuff?
west silo
Well at a certain point
west silo
Halo mythos states that the flood uses neural physics to reproduce
flat bone
k
west silo
So technically there always using it
humble yacht
that doesn't make any sense
flat bone
i mean if it turned to a keymind it could make sense
maybe keyminds use it
so maybe it became a keymind
humble yacht
the definition of keymind has changed
flat bone
to what?
humble yacht
any flood form that directs/controls other flood forms
flat bone
oh
west silo
Its now like a generalization
humble yacht
gravemind is the most advanced form of Keymind
flat bone
k
west silo
Planetary Keyminds still exist
versed helm
Kinda have to
humble yacht
it's possible but unknown
west silo
Well the halo galaxy would be dead
flat bone
according to my sources: when the flood attacked ancient humans prior to the human-forunner war they changed 1/3 of the populations dna and sent it at the flood causing it to retreat
faint stone
keyminds as hiddenexpria puts it
are basically brother moons
well
the planet ones
flat bone
maybe it went to collect info from a different galaxy
gilded mason
Yeah. the Flood was faking it
flat bone
oh ok
faint stone
to bait out the forerunners so when they returned 10k years later
forerunners were not ready at all
flat bone
ok
faint stone
because they believed they eliminated the flood
flat bone
ight
faint stone
so stopped caring
west silo
Actually it was to make the forerunners think there was a cure
faint stone
but because of their smooth brainess
flood came back and well
yeah
the didact decided to test it on himself
changed his dna
went crazy
west silo
Which made them waste a lot of resources
faint stone
composed humans and promethean warriors to turn into his knights
west silo
Ur
flat bone
k
west silo
Spark was crazy
gilded mason
A bad theory
faint stone
but iirc the history of the 2 was ur came was like the didacts body double
something to transfer his mind to or something
whilst ur was the original
west silo
Well he just went through puberty
faint stone
but iso or ur got stranded in a flood infested sector
west silo
Ur
gilded mason
Ur is the original
faint stone
so he transfered his mind
he was the one stranded right?
in flood controlled space
the scorn
faint stone
hence why he went craaaaazy
west silo
No that was gravemind
faint stone
wat
west silo
He was just being a jerk
flat bone
how do shield worlds counter the halo
west silo
The gravemind made him insane
west silo
By going into another dimension
flat bone
k
faint stone
since after the rings were fired there were surviving forerunners
west silo
Or like a crytum by locking itself out of time
faint stone
who basically got sad that they failed the role of the mantle and passed it to humans and left the galaxy
humble yacht
some shield worlds don't go into slipspace, they just have stuff inside
faint stone
funny if they came across a flood controlled galaxy and get nommed on
humble yacht
like requiem
faint stone
didact had 2 layers of shieldiong
the shield world equipment inside
and his crypt
if the flood do return it's kinda screwed
humble yacht
the HW shield world also didn't have a slipspace event on the inside
faint stone
so if they do it should be a feral state atleast
west silo
Well no one was there
faint stone
and they were overrun
flat bone
not for sure
faint stone
probably with delta halo had a research station or some sort
west silo
And the flood managed to survive on it
flat bone
delta had one
west silo
So it had so way of surviving the halo effect
flat bone
i guess
faint stone
the monitor of that halo ring was lazy
so when the outbreak occured the gravemind was formed
probably used the lifeforms on the ring as well as any visiting alien races
humble yacht
So it had so way of surviving the halo effect
What are you talking about?
faint stone
the gravemind on delta halo isn't 10k years old
west silo
What are you talking about?
@humble yacht
HW
humble yacht
what makes you think those flood were on the planet before the firing?
faint stone
it's recent in terms of after the rings were fired
west silo
The flood on the shield world
last anchor
Same deal there. The surface of Etain Harborage was clear until the Covenant showed up
Also the wildlife.
faint stone
they would've escaped a research center spart
last anchor
Hence the bomber forms and flappers
west silo
How would they have got there with out a ship
last anchor
Most of it
faint stone
but we're coordinated to say the least
flat bone
halo wars talkes place where?
stable flower
And the Thrashers.
last anchor
Huge proto gravemind you blow up in like the third mission yeah
faint stone
they escaped a flood research centre on the shield world in HW1
and began to infest it
flat bone
k
faint stone
and consumed the lifeforms
west silo
Okay
flat bone
shouldnt it have a monitor
faint stone
because they've mutated
probably because they haven't being able to make a sufficient eco system is my guess
but now they have in a way
idk
west silo
No clue
flat bone
makes sense
faint stone
requiem is where the domain was accessed
humble yacht
no?
flat bone
genesis
stable flower
Etran Harborage had an ancilla in Cleansing
faint stone
oh yeah
idk why i said requiem
requiem had no monitor probably since crazy didact and librarian
flat bone
yeha
stable flower
Well Requiem was the first Shield World ever made
flat bone
why did they keep the flood on the rings
faint stone
yeh
humble yacht
the forerunners expected more flood to return from beyond the galaxy one day
stable flower
What's dumb is keeping them on a Shield World, where they can't be harmed if the rings activate
humble yacht
since that's where they came from originally
humble yacht
who said they kept any on a shield world?
stable flower
Etran Harborage
humble yacht
those flood probably infiltrated the world from the outside
which is why there was flood biomass on the outside
faint stone
lost their ship in the progress?
flat bone
i think that if they wanted to they wouldve
faint stone
yeah
after all
apparently the flood just want everyone to be together
since crazy precursors
crazy prophets, precursors, humans, grunts, elites, broot and last of all crazy forerunners
flat bone
are drones natural?
humble yacht
what does that mean?
flat bone
Are they made in a lab?
humble yacht
no
flat bone
My internet keeps killing itself
Drone doesn’t sound like a natural name
They should call the buggers
humble yacht
that's because it's just the english nickname
flat bone
K
humble yacht
they're actually yanm'ee or something like that
gilded mason
Yanme'e, yeah
flat bone
Wonder if cortana will be tied in with infinite
humble yacht
hopefully
orchid prism
How many species of aliens are there in the covenant?
orchid prism
I know grunts, elites, jackals, etc.
humble yacht
like 7 main species and then an unknown number of fringe species
flat bone
Not always
orchid prism
Oh
flat bone
The elites left the covenant during the fight with brutes
orchid prism
Yes
stable flower
Technically 8 species
flat bone
I forgot the name
Schism
and then in halo 4 the brutes were defeated and elites returned for some reason
gilded mason
It was a splinter faction led by an Elite
humble yacht
defeated in H3
gilded mason
Uh. They kinda - yeah
gilded mason
Hm?
humble yacht
we don't know if anything remained
flat bone
sad it was an "even fight" rather than a certain win
humble yacht
Rtas said that truth's fleet was in ruins but they had something capable of dropping scarabs
gilded mason
Maybe they jumped really far from another area
humble yacht
😐
gilded mason
Super Covenant hydrolics
flat bone
in halo 2 rtas was my favorite character
gilded mason
He was great, yeah
flat bone
the blur cutscene remasters made everything better
keen delta
The covenant balakanised in the power vacume. Several fleet/ship masters of varying species finding themselves in control of tons of assets and their upper leadership disintegrated. The only thing keeping it together were the brutes themselves and when their species was no longer a threat I imagine a power struggle occurred. Arbiter and those loyal to him and those who still believed in the religious aspects of the covenant joining Jul undamma or whatever his name was
And those flocking to the banished as well
flat bone
Arbiter and those loyal to him and those who still believed in the religious aspects of the covenant joining Jul undamma or whatever his name was
i dont follow
keen delta
Storm covenant
keen delta
As i said they were made up of religious zealots who still believed the covenant religion
flat bone
why wouldnt they stay with the arbiter
gilded mason
Because a species is not homogenous
humble yacht
Jul's Covenant was formed when Jul ended up at the planet Hesduros
He found elites who still believed in Forerunners as gods
flat bone
oh
humble yacht
so he lied to them and basically formed a cult
stable flower
Jul's were a remnant. There's a difference. Halopedia and the Halo Alpha use remnant and splinter like they mean the same thing.
humble yacht
they do
remnant, splinter group, they all originated from the main Covenant empire which is now defunct
keen delta
pretty much
oh I got a question now. post human covenant war. how much has the humans navy improved. I know about the infinity and her sister ship but do other naval vessels have similar capabilities? specifically in regards to energy shields but in other ways as well.
versed helm
They all got beefed the heck up
stable flower
I say that because the Friedens also had a splinter faction named Neo-Friedenists who hated them.
versed helm
Between covie tech and the shield world full of forerunner engineers, the UNSC probably on some mad level stuff
I’ve got a serious question though that may shake our understanding of Halo. isn’t Cortana basically Halsey’s V-Tuber persona?
humble yacht
no
versed helm
Why not
humble yacht
because she's a separate entity
humble yacht
no
versed helm
Oof
zenith veldt
is there lore about the transition from the plasma rifle to the storm rifle
versed helm
Maybe not a transition. Probably just both weapons existed and they decided to use the other in that group
keen delta
I had to look up what a vtuber is
zenith veldt
oh i see, but in halo 5 it seems they might have phased out the plasma rifle
keen delta
storm rifle/plasma repeater are just boring to me
jolly swift
Hey wait a minute
zenith veldt
im waiting
zenith veldt
you dont make sense
jolly swift
Why did the ODSTs in Day at the Beach Pelican in instead of dropping
keen delta
spin?
humble yacht
spin.
zenith veldt
s p i n
humble yacht
that's what rifling does
gilded mason
It looks cool. That's what matters. 😎
humble yacht
adds spin to the bullet
keen delta
oh rifling
jolly swift
That's a good trick
zenith veldt
plasma isn't a bullet
keen delta
the plasma rifle has no rifling
humble yacht
it's why rifles are called rifles
keen delta
oh you mean name
gilded mason
Oh.
zenith veldt
spin
keen delta
lets try spinning thats a good trick
gilded mason
I just go with it simply being a name that UNSC personnel can quickly imagine the function of.
humble yacht
that makes it even worse
makes it seem like humans don't even know their own words anymore
gilded mason
Neural physics, man.
zenith veldt
plasma small gun but not as small as the plasma pistol
stable flower
Anyways, definition of splinter group is a faction or sect that has broken away from its parent organization, usually due to disagreement.
keen delta
large directed energy weapon doesnt have quite a ring to it
stable flower
Also the Storm Rifle is used because the Plasma Rifle is pretty outdated.
zenith veldt
gun that shoots bullet
keen delta
plasma gun
zenith veldt
bullet gun
keen delta
green plasma gun, blue plasma gun, red plasma gun
stable flower
The Plasma Rifle has been used for centuries by the Elites.
zenith veldt
i hate the new gun in infinite that the new marine action figure comes with
y'know what one im talking about?
stable flower
The Commando?
stable flower
It looks like that gun from Natural Selection
zenith veldt
its too boring
stable flower
And the rifle the RDA in Avatar uses
keen delta
its full name is the Type-25 Directed Energy Rifle
zenith veldt
and it looks like literally any gun you see in any shooter besides halo
keen delta
I like the plasma rifle more than the storm rifle
it fits the elite as a species better
stable flower
TBH the Plasma Rifle looks like it could be used by SOS vehicle crews
zenith veldt
like an emergency weapon?
stable flower
Yeah, like a PDW
keen delta
they are clearly made for elite hands, and its shown they are more than capable of using 2 at a time, or potentially with a rifle in one hand and a sword in the other
a species that prides itself on close quarters combat would have a weapon that facilitates that
keen delta
its what I liked about the classic covenant weapons
both plasma weapons and the needler seemed to follow that principle
west silo
You do remember the carbine exist right
The elites don't have a problem with using rifle shaped weapons
flat bone
Is the carbine a bullet or is it similar to the plasma weapons
faint stone
plasma rifle is always a fav
i think it's a mix
i think plasma is used because it's easy to produce or use
in the covenants eyes that is
humble yacht
carbine fires a radioactive projectile
humble yacht
spikers shoot hot spikes
flat bone
Yea
humble yacht
hard light
versed helm
huh thats cool
faint stone
they're weapons are basically energy
but on steroids
and very effective against everything since forerunner tech
flat bone
I feel bullets are the best on the flood
versed helm
the binary rifle is a sniper on steriods
versed helm
i remember going through the whole h4 camp on legendary just for the armor
west silo
Well some forerunner weapons shoot anti matter
flat bone
I did it for the lone wolf legend achievement
humble yacht
binary rifle shoots antimatter wrapped in hard light
west silo
And the incineration cannon
flat bone
That’s why it looks like you got thanos dusted?
west silo
And maybe the scatter shot?
versed helm
i was either using the cannon or the saw because the saw would have enough bullets for me to actually be ok
and the scatter light
flat bone
Halo 5 reworked the light rifle lots
peak veldt
So on Halo Reach Exodus Stacker requests fire support from something called FPF.
Then we hear sound effects like the rail gun in the Pillar of Autumn dock.
But the dialog makes it sound like 2 shots barely has any effect on a Corvette.
When a well place shot temporarily disabled a carrier at the end, we've seen Orbital rail guns (understandably more powerful there) one hit kill a Corvette and at the end of the mission a volley of missles is enough to disable the Corvette.
flat bone
When I played it felt like a new weapon
humble yacht
maybe you're confusing it with another weapon
the lightrifle and the scattershot function practically the same in 4 and 5
the boltshot, suppressor, binary rifle, and incineration cannon got major reworks
and the grenade, of course
humble yacht
binary rifle in H4: one shot kill anywhere on body
versed helm
i really hope halo inf has a dog fight like reach did
humble yacht
binary rifle in H5: fires a beam
peak veldt
I remember it being 1 shot in one game and on the other it being like a half second lazer
flat bone
Don’t seem to remembering that
humble yacht
hard to miss
flat bone
I should re-play it
versed helm
replay reach?
flat bone
5
versed helm
oh
peak veldt
Think they mean 4 and 5 since they don't remember a gun
Wanted to point out that campaign derp on Exodus.
versed helm
ive never paid attention to how the guns fired in game i always would run n gun
alr brb
peak veldt
I hated all 343 forerunner weapons. Sandbox feels so cluttered
faint stone
i prefer the h5 binary rifle
flat bone
All the forerunner weapons are 343 besides sentinel beam
peak veldt
Halo 2 and 3 had sentinel weapons
versed helm
Sentinel Beam be like:
humble yacht
H5 binary rifle is more balanced
peak veldt
Sentinel beam is a jack of all trades, it does everything but master of nothing
flat bone
Yeh
west silo
Couldn't even work against the flood
flat bone
It worked on the ants
west silo
Yeah
faint stone
mainly since 343 and the forerunner weapons
flat bone
Should they be called promethian weapons?
stable flower
No wonder Sentinels couldn't stop the Flood on Delta Halo
flat bone
They didn’t try to
peak veldt
Promethians is 343 so correct there.
flat bone
Because the monitor of delta was kinda bad at his job
west silo
That's why you don't use janitors as soldiers
faint stone
delta had no leader
peak veldt
Delta Halo flood I think was sorta contained. Just the infested area before it was contained was pretty large
faint stone
if the monitor hadn't being captured
there would be no need for a sentinel wall
as the outbreak would've being sorted
west silo
delta had no leader
@faint stone
Neither did the ark
faint stone
right....
humble yacht
as the outbreak would've being sorted
Uh, no
west silo
And it kinda went well
stable flower
We've never found out how the Flood was released on Delta Halo.
humble yacht
Penitent Tangent let the outbreak happen in the first place
faint stone
there was no flood stored on the ark until high charity
flat bone
Ye
peak veldt
Delta Halo infestation was just the monitor being bored right?
flat bone
Yes
flat bone
lol
stable flower
The Sentinel Eliminators (gold ones) and the Enforcers couldn't even deal with the Flood lol
faint stone
they were doing fine
west silo
Well they did I build the quarantine zone after there monitor went missing
faint stone
stopping it from making a ecosystem above ground kinda
glossy hemlock
was the monitor of delta halo truly derelict of his duties? or was he suffering from rampancy
flat bone
They also good against arbiter
stable flower
Enforcers
peak veldt
I think all Monitors are pretty borderline rampant
faint stone
so really probably crammed in the wrong human brain
west silo
Well not really
glossy hemlock
yeah i think so too to be honest
stable flower
Speaking of Enforcers, I doubt we'll see them again.
humble yacht
Exuberant Witness seems fine
faint stone
since at this point it wouldn't be hard to believe monitors are humans
flat bone
Exuberant seems newer too
humble yacht
she's probably older
faint stone
just 343i redesigns of forerunner design
flat bone
She seems different idk
peak veldt
From what I know from remaster terminals, Guilty Spark just sounds mad with loneliness
stable flower
Monitors had to roam their Halos for ages with no contact. Loneliness like that would drive even an AI mad.
faint stone
spark was yes
west silo
Guilty spark actually could have made contact earlier
faint stone
an ancient human
glossy hemlock
@stable flower and that's what happened on delta halo i pressume
west silo
He just didn't
faint stone
'hey ima cram you into this ball right here'
flat bone
Lightbulb
peak veldt
Think that was 343 added. Since I don't know much about it and I've been so out of lore for so long
west silo
Tinker bell
flat bone
I wonder if they limited the monitors database because of what happened to mendicant bias
Unless he was limited too
faint stone
no
west silo
Well they did it so they wouldn't give away any information to the flood
flat bone
Exactly what happened to bias
faint stone
forerunners had their own cole protocol for AIs
west silo
Well that what bornsteller said
faint stone
bias just reminded them not to be idiots
faint stone
by going logic crazy and becoming their main fleet admiral
west silo
Bias just betrayed them
faint stone
under the ark
west silo
The ark
west silo
The others scattered
faint stone
he got split up into fragments
1 fragment hopped onto a keyship
which went to the prophets homeworld
the other was kept beneath the ark hence why he speaks to us on ark terminals
and the other is unknown
flat bone
Yes that’s what I thought
faint stone
people believe from the trailer that we will encounter his fragment
faint stone
but halofollower likes to hype him up ALOT
flat bone
Possible
faint stone
to the point every video they uploaded before guardians had a section about bias in it
all
the
time
flat bone
Lol
west silo
Well many kinda did that
humble yacht
what makes you think he still has unaccounted for fragments?
flat bone
how many fragments he was split into?
humble yacht
that would be major oversight by Offensive Bias
west silo
Well only 2 are ever accounted for
humble yacht
it's never stated. But he was split into fragments to make him less dangerous during his transport to the Ark
humble yacht
no its not
west silo
And they left all of them on the ark?
humble yacht
smh
yes
they left them on the ark as punishment
it was supposed to be a prison sentence
flat bone
Who is offensive bias then?
humble yacht
Offensive Bias was created speccifically to defeat Mendicant Bias
west silo
After separating all of him because he was too dangerous?
flat bone
Oh
faint stone
offensive bias was destroyed after i think
hopefully
or atleast placed into stasis
to be awakened later
humble yacht
OB split MB into pieces during the journey to the ark, when they got there MB was put on trial by the IsoDidact
west silo
And left him on the ark where he could just take control of whatever he wants?
faint stone
judged guilty
humble yacht
he was contained beyond the ark's systems
humble yacht
how a fragment escaped prison is unknown
faint stone
the terminals that is
gilded mason
He was unable to do anything there until the fragment from the keyship rejoined with him
west silo
he was contained beyond the ark's systems
@humble yacht
That couldn't even stop a monitor?
humble yacht
the ark's systems did stop a monitor
faint stone
and he gained better powers
flat bone
343
humble yacht
specifically Tragic Solitude
flat bone
?
humble yacht
Tragic Solitude saw Guilty Spark snooping and basically said "oh no you didn't"
flat bone
Oh
west silo
specifically Tragic Solitude
@humble yacht
Isn't he the one in control of the ark systems?
flat bone
Why no more?
west silo
The ark is just on autopilot noe
humble yacht
because he's dead
west silo
Why no more?
@flat bone
Dead
flat bone
Oh
west silo
He went a little genocide happy
flat bone
In a rocket sloth vid they said that 343 is somehow alive, idk if it’s true
west silo
Its true
faint stone
who likes to fish
west silo
And he's good
flat bone
Why can’t we get rid off him
faint stone
he's basically returned to his ancient human personality iirc
west silo
And not really guilty spark any more
faint stone
chawkas
west silo
Because the guilty spark is dead
west silo
Its just a personality
faint stone
yeh thats right
out of all the people in the galaxy
she's met him
and if we see him in infinite that'll be weirdo
dire oriole
cuz im a dummy, someone explain to me difference between iso-didact and ur-didact
west silo
Man and boy
flat bone
👍
west silo
Basically ones the original and the others a clone
dire oriole
didnt the ur didact imprint his personality onto some Forerunner?
west silo
Yep
flat bone
Who is the most secret character in halo?
humble yacht
whut does that even mean
humble yacht
harbinger
flat bone
At the end of halo CE was it dust and echoes or Dustin echoes
gilded mason
The man, the myth, the legend
west silo
Dust and echoes
gilded mason
DUSTIN ECHOES
dire oriole
Was Noble 6 a headhunter?
flat bone
Idk
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
west silo
Probably?
humble yacht
nobody knows
flat bone
He was marked hyper lethal by halsey I think
flat bone
Yeah
gilded mason
Don't put any stock into that
dire oriole
i hope silent shadow is in infinite
humble yacht
Bungie had halsey say that just so that they could pass off Noble 6 as protag levels of dangerous
just like chief
west silo
Despite it making more sense for all Spartans to be hyper lethal
We don't even know what six did to get that designation
flat bone
Exactly
faint stone
me supa special
west silo
Just a paper with black ink
west silo
Me hide unda rock
flat bone
I’m guessing 
is Dustin echoes
faint stone
so probably did a lot of insurrectionist suppressions that were off the books
as well as flying the saber prototypes
west silo
He was actually a political assassin
For ackerson
During the middle of a genocidal war
That guy really had his priorities straight
flat bone
Every time I hear genocide I get reminded of 💀
faint stone
but at the same time he did have emile on the team
and he was basically in it for the kills
west silo
Despite the entire game having the team being worthless
dire oriole
lol
west silo
Except Kat of course she was the most useful
faint stone
didn't she help halsey with decrypting the forerunner data for cortana to use basically
and iirc that data basically led them to halo
west silo
Nah she just found it
faint stone
fr?
west silo
Well you found it
faint stone
oh yeah on the scientist
west silo
She just took all the credit
faint stone
it is halsey after all
called noble team property of ONI 😢
then in a graphic novel jun jumps onto a overgrown hunter
west silo
Well shes not wrong
faint stone
and rips it to bit
dire oriole
everyone on noble team's death is kinda ironic
kat(brains of the team) died to a headshot
carter(leader) goes down with the ship
noble 6(lone wolf) dies as a lone wolf
etc
west silo
Emile died edgy
humble yacht
Emile was on the edge of glory
dire oriole
george died for reach
west silo
Man ackerson went out doing something good which was honestly surprising
How did he get caught anyways?
gilded mason
The phantom flanked him while he was distracted with other ships. If you're talking about Emile.
gilded mason
Simply captured during the invasion of Mars
west silo
Oh he was on mars
gilded mason
Yeah. Cortana forged papers to send him there out of revenge for almost killing her and John.
west silo
Wow so cortana was the one responsible for his death
I know she destroyed his marriage
But never knew she also caused his caprure
west silo
No cortana obviously looked into the future and set everything up
humble yacht
cortana in the EU has always had a bit of a mean streak
west silo
It was all part of the plan
gilded mason
Though kinda justified, since he was a real piece of work that tried to kill her.
west silo
True
humble yacht
i mean, two wrongs don't make a right, but it's not like she did it for no reason
gilded mason
Yeah
humble yacht
also remember when she basically ate Infinity's shipboard AI?
gilded mason
That was weird
humble yacht
pretty sure Cortana broke her and assimilated her code
or something like that
she was trying to stop the infinity from leaving
versed helm
She had to mess with the other AI somehow, but breaking her down into raw code that quickly is kinda hard to believe
humble yacht
looks like cortana didn't eat her, just broke her down
west silo
But she's still dead right?
west silo
Am actually surprised the mantles approach had no ais on board
And these are the forerunners who love there ais
Even the chief has a few dozen ais in his suit
There just quiet
humble yacht
what makes you think it didn't have some sort of AI
west silo
Well cortana was able to access terminals inside the ship
Noting that the didact was the only one stopping her
And there is no mention of another ai in the ship what So ever
And if there was another ai do you think cortana could stop it
The one that messed up flying a lich
obsidian thistle
One could say a rampant AI is more dangerous than a healthy one.
humble yacht
maybe Didact preferred to handle things himself
he certainly had the arrogance for that
though in a lot of ways, he could actually back up the bravado
obsidian thistle
And if there were other AI. Perhaps they were pre-occupied. Or viewed Cortana as a non-threat. I mean looking at the Warden and Cortanas initial convos. The Warden didnt think much of Cortana till she tricked him.
humble yacht
maybe the systems linked to the composer were too important for didact to leave to an AI
also he was actively controlling the Composer so
obsidian thistle
Well the Didact did leave the Covenant forces at Gamma Halo to take over it and do stuff with the Conduit.
So I guess you may have the right idea @humble yacht
The didact doing the important stuff. Leaving the people under him to do menial/minor stuff.
versed helm
classic boss/minion behaviour
west silo
The ai would have at least been in control of the teleportation grid that cortana took over
Thus stopping chief from even getting to the didact
classic boss/minion behaviour
@versed helm
Hey now the didact at least had the chief restrained everytime he monologued
How was he supposed to know cortana would pull a deus ex machina
stable flower
What's with the little tiny Cortanas that jump all over Didact?
craggy sierra
She hit ctrl+C ctrl+V a bunch
faint stone
ye
copy and pasted herself
jk you know when she fragments herself before we go off to the different platforms
yeah those fragments survived and basically went and saved us
west silo
She pulled a neo
stable flower
Like the fragment of her in Reach? Only they could talk?
humble yacht
Cortana’s ability to fragment herself was one of her most unique abilities among human smart AI
Even black box can’t do it like her
last anchor
Not cleanly no
versed helm
do you have halo 4? we have a xbox 360.
pseudo spindle
faint stone
alpha 9 cameo or a small spinoff? yes please
halo alpha
don't wanna keep my fav side characters in the expanded universe no more
inner basin
All the ODST’s in halo 3 ODST became spartan IV’s so I wouldn’t be surprised
Except the Rookie. He ded
alpha 9 cameo or a small spinoff? yes please
I’d prefer not. At least not for a while. They’ve been in recent EU and I’d prefer 343 to flesh out some new events and new characters before having cameos and spin-offs on returning characters. Also like I said above, the Rookie is dead, so I assume in this Alpha-9 spin-off you play as Gretchen as a S-IV or perhaps a new Spartan recruit. Idrk
faint stone
probs play as buck
tbh idk why but from that new oni video about odsts we basically know now that alpha 9 became legendary amongst the odsts
due to the actions of the game as well as buck already being a well known member
inner basin
Well I mean they did carry out a near suicidal mission with no casualties. I mean there was an injury, but that was Romeo so who cares (sarcasm)
dire oriole
i doubt alpha 9 will be in infinite, but maybe buck cuz hes in fireteam osiris
inner basin
We weren’t talking about Infinite
Also Buck isn’t part of Osiris anymore. In Bad Blood they reformed Alpha-9
faint stone
buck left osiris and reunited with alpha 9
dutch and gretchen were at their home iirc
romeo was imprisoned on the ungoyy homeworld which is where we find out they accepted cortana's offer
also his imprisonment was more of mandatory relocation due to doing some freaky stuff with another admirals wifey
they then went to ONIs luna base to recover vergil
because after an incident engineers were placed on that base due to a severe accident which occured and vergil was being handled by sadie
but the created had captured sadie so vergil forced alpha 9 to save her
reason for saving vergil was to free mickey from the spartan 4 prison cell
then they all got spartan armour and reformed alpha 9 without the rookie 😦
inner basin
Well they couldn’t really reform it with the Rookie otherwise they’d be carrying his corpse around lol
craggy sierra
Why did I think Sadie was dead?
inner basin
Cause she wasn’t featured much in Bad Blood?
west silo
Because she wasn't even mentioned in New blood
gilded mason
Yes she was
west silo
Really?
gilded mason
Yes.
west silo
New blood not bad blood?
gilded mason
She was mentioned in both
west silo
Hmm okay must have forgot
faint stone
she was captured by prometheans iirc on luna
but dutch romeo dare buck save her
since vergil basically outright refused to leave without her
west silo
To be honest I thought her story ended in odst