Also every spartan is designated hyper lethal.
#lore-and-universe
craggy sierra
gilded mason
Bungie confirmed he died in that last mission in their lore guidebook.
craggy sierra
Also I think Noble 6 is my least favourite Halo character closely followed by all of Noble team
oblique ore
why?
stable flower
Enhanced. Engineered is created artificially, like clones.
jagged sigil
at least i had a better explanation than six hiding in a cave
craggy sierra
Well your explanation is wrong
Bungie confirmed it’s wrong, I posted the article to it.
gilded mason
It was a pretty bad explanation
jagged sigil
why was the helmet found far away from its original location
craggy sierra
It wasn’t?
oblique ore
look, im sure youre a great guy, and we arent hating on YOU we just know youre wrong
craggy sierra
Dude got killed in the middle of a dirt pile and it was grown over 30 years later
His helmet didn’t move
oblique ore
I just dont want you to feel that we are attacking YOU
however
6 is dead
Noble Six died with the rest of noble team (besides Jun) on reach
Remember Reach
craggy sierra
But yeah on the whole Noble team thing, I felt like they were heavily lacking any real personality or dynamics that made me actually wanna latch onto them which sucked cause ODST kinda gave me high hopes for Bungie’s ability to write squad dynamic characters.
craggy sierra
It kinda wreeks of the fact they hated Halo by that point
jagged sigil
the game showed the feeling of hopelessness
oblique ore
i think reach and 3 are tied for best halo game
craggy sierra
No seriously Bungie wanted out of Halo eons before Reach happened.
craggy sierra
They were contractually forced into making Halo Reach and they really did not want to
jagged sigil
but
stable flower
More like making Halo into a book series
jagged sigil
they did a good job
craggy sierra
They did not
jagged sigil
they did
also
bungie said halo 2 was an incomplete game
and yet
its an epic game
stable flower
It feels more complete than Halo 4 lol
craggy sierra
Halo Reach was single handedly responsible for getting Halo booted out of the MLG competitive scene because of a bunch of baffling mechanical design choices.
jagged sigil
im talking about the story
oblique ore
i LOVE LOVE LOVE halo reach
craggy sierra
And on a lore level, it’s story actively worked against the lore set up by the book fall of reach
jagged sigil
not the bad bloom feature
oblique ore
i think halo reach and doom eternal are the 2 best fps games of all time
stable flower
Oh I thought you meant the gameplay
jagged sigil
nope
craggy sierra
I just don’t get it. Reach’s characters have the personality of bricks and they respond to the events unfolding around them with the same level of interest I had at my last minimum wage job.
craggy sierra
Granted if a chick got shot through the face at my last job I would probably at least pretend to have an emotion about that
jagged sigil
odst had bad joke
stable flower
They put a lot of effort into Halo 2's story. The levels were very long.
jagged sigil
its prolly ur heart thats made of brick
craggy sierra
That’s not something that has existed in gaming since Zelda Ocarina of Time
stable flower
Kat shoulda stayed in the shadows.
jagged sigil
great writing there
stable flower
That line by Buck was pretty fruity
craggy sierra
The issue isn’t that my heart is made of brick, the issue is that noble team is a collection of bricks who do not respond to any of the unfolding events in an even slightly humanistic way.
craggy sierra
The game just smashes some bricks on the ground and asks us to be sad at their destruction
versed helm
When buck said to make sure she had balls he meant to make sure that she was brave and strong
jagged sigil
but
it didnt convey it that way to everyone
wafflesauce which do u think is the best emotional halo
craggy sierra
You have to be as socially muted as a member of noble team to not read it like that
native burrow
who here remembers sam
stable flower
The dialogue got cornier in their last two games.
jagged sigil
sam died as a hero
native burrow
ye
craggy sierra
Most emotional? Probably Halo 4. Kinda retroactively got made a bit worse with Halo 5 but still.
jagged sigil
halo 4 wasnt that good
the game had the worst AI
u hide behind a rock
the ai thinks ur not there
craggy sierra
Accepting the loss of Cortana was a good enotional beat and not to mention the death of Doctor Tilson who was essentially just an innocent bystander had a very visceral effect on me especially with how gruesome it was.
native burrow
hate me all u want but i think ODST has the best campaign
craggy sierra
Hey you said we were just talking about story and emotional impact
jagged sigil
well
stable flower
The trooper in Winter Contingency who monotonously announces that the Covenant are on Reach, and that chick in Exodus.
jagged sigil
halo 4 didnt even have a better multiplayer than halo reach
craggy sierra
If we were talking game design I would say Halo 4 triple downed on the issues that got Reach booted out of the competitive scene
stable flower
If they made a TSAH flash about Reach, I'm sure they'd poke fun at that.
craggy sierra
I didn’t know the act of sprinting made the story about having to let go about things you care about and accept emotions worse.
native burrow
halo 4 had some good missions
jagged sigil
halo reach destroys halo 4 by its music
craggy sierra
Not...really
craggy sierra
4 had some amazing tracks in it
stable flower
Halo 4 is the one Halo game Ive played the least
jagged sigil
halo 4 only had john 117 as a descent track
craggy sierra
Also you keep side tracking off the story
jagged sigil
ok
craggy sierra
You asked be what I considered to be the most emotional Halo
stable flower
Only track I like is the Ghost Run track
craggy sierra
In terms of emotional plot beats Halo 4 pretty much hits them on the head pretty well.
jagged sigil
not the cortana scene
stable flower
It was a downer
jagged sigil
the killing didact scene
u had only one button
to use
thats was not a good idea
native burrow
i kinda liked master cheifs armor in halo 4 and 5 more than his armour in the older games
stable flower
You failed to save a city and lose your AI companion
craggy sierra
I’ll take QTE’s over bad and poorly implemented boss fights.
jagged sigil
bruh
craggy sierra
coughs in Halo 2
jagged sigil
ok
halo 2 had a bit not good bossifght
but
halo 2 music is betteer than any 343 game ever made
native burrow
i mean we cant have a warthog run as an ending in every game
craggy sierra
You seem oddly fixated on the music and also Halo 4’s soundtrack has a lot of good songs on it.
jagged sigil
not good as the other games
native burrow
at least halo 4 had split screen
jagged sigil
halo 4 had the worst art
craggy sierra
It was trying to do something new with its music. Move itself into a new era.
stable flower
I'd like a puzzle boss, like Nihilanth in Half-Life
craggy sierra
I respect its choices to try new things.
stable flower
Two words: Del. Rio.
jagged sigil
are u a 343 dev
u keep telling that halo 4 is good and halo evolution is required
when most people hated the advanced movements to the max in halo 5
native burrow
moment intensifies
craggy sierra
No, I’m not. I’m just someone who respected a studio willing to take risks in advancing a franchise instead of leaving it to stagnate in a comfort zone that none of the devs were really interested in making.
stable flower
"Give me dat chip!"
craggy sierra
Even in a hypothetical parallel universe where Bungie stuck with Halo, 4 would’ve probably cane out similar in terms of mechanics and art direction.
jagged sigil
NO SIR i have way more authority than u in ur ship
u cant stop me
u may have a higher rank than me
that doesnt mean imma obey u
no
bungie if intended to make halo 4 would be dope
because they know what to make
they have experience with the franchise
jagged sigil
343 put together some people that doesnt even know halo
native burrow
i liked the advanced movements in halo 5 because after all you are a spartan, a super human so you should be able to do more than walk jump and shoot but the levels in halo 5 werent really constructed in a way for the player to feel like he / she has an advantage with the advanced movment
jagged sigil
and started developing
advance movements was fine
but when u make it to the max
its messed up
and advance move movents
doesnt give u any advantage
craggy sierra
The thing that made Bungie split from Microsoft was a lack of creative control. In a universe where Bungie was given the creative control they wanted to stay with the franchise, Halo 4 as a product would’ve come out mechanically and artistically resembling Destiny because that was the game Bungie wanted to make that Microsoft was saying no to.
jagged sigil
just a downgrade
craggy sierra
So pick your poison
craggy sierra
Even if Halo still plays exactly like Destiny in all regards?
stable flower
Bungie UNSC acted more like scientific explorers than a military
craggy sierra
Okay but if Bungie was given the creative control they wanted to stick with Halo. Halo 4 would have played like Destiny.
native burrow
i agree that many of the movement options in halo 5 were unnecessary but at least have sprint
craggy sierra
Which has double jumps, character supers, loadouts, loot, stat leveling, armour min/maxing etc etc.
jagged sigil
no
craggy sierra
Except they would have because that was the game they wanted to make
jagged sigil
craggy sierra
You seem to not be understanding this whole “bungie found being forced to only develop Halo to be a creatively limiting factor”
craggy sierra
I have not played Halo 5
jagged sigil
halo 5 dont play it
craggy sierra
I left for PC a year before that came out
stable flower
Never played Halo 5, never will
jagged sigil
to understand what halo 5 have
stable flower
And that's why
jagged sigil
because there story telling was bad as hell
craggy sierra
No
stable flower
Oh and to add insult to injury, they put some noncombat missions in there
craggy sierra
See now you’re just spewing buzzwords bottom tier clickbait youtubers say about Halo 5
Can you try to have an original opinion please and stop watching act man.
stable flower
Halo games are few and far between to have stuff like that.
craggy sierra
I mean there’s nothing wrong with it. Sometimes it’s good to have a bit of down time to world build. Halo 5 probably didn’t do it great. It didn’t do most things great in its writing tbh.
But on principle there’s nothing wrong with having that down time.
Wolfenstein The New Order used non-combative down time between missions to flush out its characters and world to great effect.
versed helm
yeah. wolfenstien was pretty good at that. open world games have great potential to put in this kinda downtime, and itd be a bit sad if HI cant deliver that
CE didnt have any proper down time, so to speak, but still did a good job at drawing attention to the world
flat bone
Anyone know anything about installations 01, 02 and 06?
round comet
we sadly do not know anything about those three installations.
other than the standard facts, like "they are galactic death rings."
mostly because there have not been any narratives with them in it or even mentions, other than the brief all-rings-on-standby from halo 2.
hollow drift
hello
round comet
hi.
clever totem
He really came into the lore chat just to complain. Nice.
hollow sorrel
What’s the deal with the spartan 3 program? Like in terms of timeline, they were made after spartan 2s but the only time we play as a 3 is in Reach, which takes place before all the other games
clever totem
The conception of all of Earth's super soldier programs aside from the Spartan-4 program all take place decades before any of the games.
carmine sleet
What’s the deal with the spartan 3 program? Like in terms of timeline, they were made after spartan 2s but the only time we play as a 3 is in Reach, which takes place before all the other games
Halo Reach takes place in the same year (2552) as CE, 2 and 3, the S-III program was created in 2531 and had three companies, Alpha, Beta and Gamma, with Noble Six, the player character in Reach being a member of Beta company. The S-II Program was created in 2511
rain imp
Bear in mind, Spartan IIIs by this point had access to Mjolnir suits, not just SPI. Hence what you see in the game.
Usually from being promoted into specialist groups, or Headhunters.
inner basin
That's not exactly true. After the S-IIIs training (for the first two companies anyway), particular members who were designated Cat-2 were pulled from those companies and outfitted and deployed with Mjolnir. Some Spartans who are designated as Cat-2 took some effort to be pulled from their mainline companies and some were pulled immediately. As for the Headhunters, they were also pulled from their mainline companies after completing 2 specially assigned missions, but they weren't necessarily designated as Cat-2 Spartan-IIIs.
The armour the Headhunters got was still SPI, but there was an experimental suit that featured energy shielding and the VISR technology that ODSTs tend to have, however only 2 (that we know of) donned this. I like to believe every Headhunter during the HCW got it though. Perhaps they were testing it's efficiency to see if it'd be an appropriate upgrade to the SPI Mk II that Spartan-III Beta and Gamma Company received. Maybe it was planned that Delta Company would go on to receive this experimental SPI armour, but it would no longer be experimental, instead it'd be officially designated as SPI Mk III?
stiff creek
maybe
inner basin
It is just speculation though. Something I have thought about for quite a while (but I just love the Spartan-III generation a lot that I've thought about this plenty of times)
versed helm
Yep
cinder sluice
If a spartan were to throw up inside the suit what would happen
errant walrus
I THINK that it would be the same with other waste, it would but put right back in.
errant walrus
I did say "I think."
inner basin
If a spartan were to throw up inside the suit what would happen
I think the Spartan would take their helmet off to clean it or to avoid it altogether. It's not like their helmets are stuck to their head.
so do gammas have mjolnior now?
It's very likely, but an argument can be made about how to contain them if they were out of smoothers, so instead they could be stuck with SPI? It's unknown as we haven't had a whole lot of information about Gamma Company since GoO and the other stories following the remnants of Sabre Team and Lopis
carmine sleet
If a spartan were to throw up inside the suit what would happen
Pretty sure the suits have a filtration system to ensure that isn't an issue
jolly swift
can they throw up?
cedar surge
so the gammas didn't go on a very dangerous mission like the other companies?
why not?
jolly swift
the gammas were in the final stages of training when Ghosts of Onyx happened, which was at the very end of the war IIRC
humble yacht
what? of course the gammas went on super dangerous missions
jolly swift
I think they're referring to the kind of class-wide suicide mission that Alpha and Beta went on
humble yacht
i mean, there is that instance of a gamma getting their torso blown apart and they didn't notice and kept fighting
jolly swift
smoothers are one heck of a drug
humble yacht
that's not from the smoothers, that was from the other drugs
the ones that make them strong and ignore pain
jolly swift
don't do drugs kids
humble yacht
those kids weren't given a choice
hollow sorrel
Is the fleet of Particular Justice the biggest Covenant fleet, and was it the only Covenant fleet at Reach?
humble yacht
it was not the only fleet at reach
it was pretty much the last fleet to arrive at reach
hollow sorrel
PS; just finished the Halo Reach campaign on MCC, and I loved it and have a few questions
Ok. And because it was the last to arrive, it was the one that chased the Pillar of Autumn?
humble yacht
yes, it ultimately chased the PoA
jolly swift
so did Thel inflict significant casualties at Reach?
hollow sorrel
Did he perhaps participate in some of the glassing?
lapis ferry
Is the fleet of Particular Justice the biggest Covenant fleet, and was it the only Covenant fleet at Reach?
@hollow sorrel its not, high charities defense fleet was bigger but yeah it was the only fleet at reach besides the single CSO *at that time
jolly swift
hahawhat
not even close
the Covenant had a ton of fleets at least the size of Particular Justice or even larger attacking Reach
humble yacht
its not, high charities defense fleet was bigger but yeah it was the only fleet at reach besides the single CSO *at that time
This is not true
Originally the Long Night of Solace arrived at reach, a small fleet that was looking for forerunner stuff
after that CSO was destroyed, another fleet (not particular justice) arrived, and started really messing the planet up
we never see the Fleet of Particular Justice arrive in the game
hollow sorrel
What’s the difference between Spartan 3s and Spartan 4s?
humble yacht
several
jolly swift
Spartan III's were conscripted enlisted as child orphans of the war
humble yacht
S-IIIs were orphaned kids taken by ONI and forced into war
S-IVs are adult volunteers
jolly swift
it's a lot easier to train a killing machine when they already want to kill
humble yacht
the nature of their augmentations are also different
jolly swift
also most Spartan III's didn't even get Mjolnir
hollow sorrel
So 4s were volunteers?
humble yacht
yes
jolly swift
yep
as the programs went on they got less shifty with each iteration
and also less dangerous
Spartan V's will just be folks in power armor from Fallout
humble yacht
S-III program is still shifty
jolly swift
but not AS shifty as the II's
humble yacht
i wouldn't call it more ethical than the s-ii program
hollow sorrel
Were there many significant differences when it came to lethality level and efficacy? Any big genetic differences like there is between the 2s and 3s?
humble yacht
nah, it's just as unethical
ONI basically offered these kids candy and told them to get in their white van
that's just as bad as forcibly kidnapping them
jolly swift
personally I think the fake clones that are put in place to die push the II program just over in terms of shiftiness
but the III's were still super shifty
especially Gamma
genetically, while the III program was less picky than the II's, it still had requirements in terms of genetics, even if the pool was bigger
I believe Spartan IV's can just be any soldier who distinguishes themself
in terms of lethality, it's hard to say
I think a III in Mjolnir would probably beat out a IV, but most III's didn't get Mjolnir
but also III's can't spring without putting on the designated running backpack so
hollow sorrel
And what about things like spartan abilities? They’re not exclusive to IVs are they?
jolly swift
the Spartan abilities are probably accredited to the suit
most of them you can see/hear thrusters firing
hollow sorrel
K
humble yacht
just because chief can't sprint in H3 doesn't mean he can't sprint in lore
hollow sorrel
Of course
jolly swift
Chief just b-hops at the speed of sound lmao
inner basin
i mean, there is that instance of a gamma getting their torso blown apart and they didn't notice and kept fighting
That was Dante. It was when they were fighting off the Covenant who were attacking the planet. I remember him saying “Sir, I think I got nicked” before dying from succumbing to his very mortal wounds
hollow sorrel
Do we think that Infinite will introduce a new Spartan gen and, if so, what it will be like?
jolly swift
"it's just a scratch"
"no it isn't your torso's off!"
"it's just a flesh wound!"
maybe at the end of the game, but probably not during
inner basin
I don’t think they will, HV, thankfully
There’s no need for a new Spartan Generation
hollow sorrel
Cos the Mark 7 armour that we’ve seen doesn’t look like it’s Spartan IV compatible
jolly swift
the UNSC isn't exactly in the place to make anything rn
humble yacht
why wouldn't gen3 be compatible with Spartan IVs?
true snow
Mark VII looks so fricking dope
jolly swift
tbh I wouldn't be surprised if Chief got his own custom set of armor
hollow sorrel
Huh? Gen 3?
inner basin
Cos the Mark 7 armour that we’ve seen doesn’t look like it’s Spartan IV compatible
That doesn’t even make sense
jolly swift
like yeah it would be expensive, but Chief is an investment
humble yacht
the armor we see in Halo Infinite is all Gen3
true snow
Yeah
hollow sorrel
Can someone explain to me what gen 3 is? Are we talking about armour or Spartans?
inner basin
That Mk VII suit you’re referring to is GEN3
violet zephyr
Armor
true snow
But Mark VII might be only for spartan IIs since they have like no money rn from taking a fat L
humble yacht
GEN1/2/3 refers to armor
flat bone
Who is the strongest Spartan?
jolly swift
so here's my question, since a suit of Mjolnir for a Spartan II costs the same as a destroyer, does the cost balance out?
humble yacht
Mark V in Halo CE was GEN1
true snow
@flat bone skillwise it’s Fred
humble yacht
GEN2 armor is seen in Halo 4/5
flat bone
K
humble yacht
GEN3 armor will be in Infinite
cedar surge
atually the unsc can make new spartan suits right now
jolly swift
I mean I'm guessing even just one Spartan is capable of more than any one spaceship
willow arrow
Who is the strongest Spartan?
@flat bone Either John or Lucas
true snow
@flat bone strengthwise it’s Samuel
hollow sorrel
So is the armour in Halo Reach gen 1?
humble yacht
yes
violet zephyr
What?
true snow
@willow arrow wait what?
cedar surge
rembember how in the trailer chiefs suit was being made
inner basin
Either John or Lucas
Who’s Lucas?
flat bone
Yeah
flat bone
?
true snow
It’s Fred-104 in terms of skill. He purposefully held back at everything.
jolly swift
the strongest Spartan is Sergeant Major Avery Johnson
flat bone
Yes
hollow sorrel
Was Fred hyper-lethal?
inner basin
Did you mean Locke, Lazy?
flat bone
I don’t think so
jolly swift
it's been retconned so they're all hyper lethal
inner basin
Every Spartan is hyper-lethal
flat bone
Only chief and noble six are hyper lethal far as I know
hollow sorrel
Bull
jolly swift
tbh I prefer it as a way to distinguish the best Spartan's
violet zephyr
remember the dude in the cutscene of H5 who was a BADASS
@willow arrow Agent Locke?
hollow sorrel
Who decided that?
humble yacht
all spartans are hyper lethal now
willow arrow
Master Chief is strongest with skill depending on the person controlling him (this is a joke)
humble yacht
that hyper lethal crap from reach was retconned
hollow sorrel
Well, I hate that
flat bone
He is also lucky
inner basin
It was ret-conned because only 2 Spartans being hyper-lethal was idiotic
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow sorrel
How so?
willow arrow
@willow arrow Agent Locke?
@violet zephyr No, Lucas
true snow
No, but hyperlethal is based on mission successes. Master Chief himself said that Fred could have been number 1 at everything but he just didn’t like the spotlight so he stuck to number 2. @hollow sorrel
jolly swift
I think it should just distinguish the best of the best Spartans
hollow sorrel
Yes
violet zephyr
I never member a Lucas from Halo 5
jolly swift
there is no Spartan Lucas
flat bone
Sarah Palmer 🤮
true snow
Lmao
jolly swift
there's a Luke 002, but he's dead
true snow
Sarah Palmer is a joke
flat bone
Lol
true snow
A bad joke too
willow arrow
Sarah Palmer 🤮
@flat bone FACTSS
hollow sorrel
Making every spartan hyper lethal defeats the purpose of the rank
true snow
Yeah
humble yacht
it's not a rank
hollow sorrel
Sry, meant classification
jolly swift
it shouldn't be just the two, but it shouldn't be all of them either
humble yacht
it doesn't
hollow sorrel
Designation
flat bone
Remember when she told chief she thought he’d be taller, check the epilogue when chief walks past her
true snow
Lmao
hollow sorrel
Cringe
jolly swift
I don't hate Palmer
shrewd garnet
HE IS SPARTAN-156
true snow
She’s like 6’ 6 and Chief is 7’ 2
shrewd garnet
YUH
jolly swift
she's not the best character, but she's not as bad as people make her out to be
she's just a lil bland tbh
humble yacht
hyper lethal was a bs descriptor made by bungie to make people think Noble 6 was as cool a protag as CHief
violet zephyr
I just think Palmer was poorly written
flat bone
Who is the sniper, Kelly or Linda?
tall lodge
Tacos
cedar surge
yea
shrewd garnet
Tacos
cedar surge
linda
jolly swift
Linda
true snow
@shrewd garnet hahaha very funny
shrewd garnet
El Barto
jolly swift
Kelly was Quake Pro levels of speed
true snow
Linda is best snipe ever
cedar surge
why are people just saying random stuff
jolly swift
trolls
cedar surge
its not even funny
willow arrow
dude Tacos sound so good why u gotta do me like that 😭
violet zephyr
Who thinks Locke deserves to be given a second chance in Infinite?
jolly swift
this server is featured on the Discord explore page
tall lodge
Self deletus
cedar surge
oh...
willow arrow
dude no Locke sucks
jolly swift
I don't hate Locke
willow arrow
imo
cedar surge
i don't hate locke
jolly swift
but tbh they did him dirty
flat bone
I think Locke should be in it but in no way as much attention
violet zephyr
I think he needs a redemption
cedar surge
he just not really for me
violet zephyr
I hope they can improve him
jolly swift
if he was the protagonist of a side game like Rookie or 6 people would like him a lot more
inner basin
H5 did him dirty. He was an awesome character in Nightfall
willow arrow
Halo Infinite is supposed to be on Master Chief but everyone says he died
like what
flat bone
if he was the protagonist of a side game like Rookie or 6 people would like him a lot more
@jolly swift
True
flat bone
He did get lost in space
jolly swift
they basically just did MGS2 on us
willow arrow
but look it up everyone says hes dead
willow arrow
yh
shut dew
Locke doesn't need a redemption, god.
flat bone
Buy mystery man
jolly swift
they should know better than to assume Chief KIA
shut dew
He just needs better writing
willow arrow
Locke doesn't need a redemption, god.
@shut dew EXACTLY
violet zephyr
I think his background is cool and they could have had a cool character but H5 didn’t use him effectively. I think they could improve him
cedar surge
are you talking about the halo 4 trailer?
jolly swift
Spartans are always just MIA
cedar surge
the hunt the truth?
flat bone
Dustin echos
cedar surge
where they said chief was dead as a cover up?
willow arrow
Spartans Never Die, They Just Go MIA
jolly swift
Dustin Echoes spinoff game
violet zephyr
H4
flat bone
Well like
cedar surge
well guys
flat bone
Lazy what bout noble
jolly swift
and even moreso Chief just like, forgets to die
cedar surge
apprently the unsc doesn't do that anymore
in escalations its said that spartan IVs just get listed as KIA
cedar surge
jorge is dead
jolly swift
absolutely not
flat bone
Yeah I guess
humble yacht
they're both dead
shut dew
@willow arrow No, I'm saying that people who say that Locke needs to "be redeemed" or "be taken out of commission/seriously injured to hurt his ego and provide character development" are just confusing bad writing with actual character traits
jolly swift
the drive would have torn him apart
cedar surge
first of all he went into slipspace with a slipspace field
flat bone
He would’ve rondevoused
cedar surge
so he would get ripped apart
violet zephyr
I think Spartans are just like Demi gods at most. And worriers at their core
flat bone
If he escaped the ship maybe?
cedar surge
second he didnt put on his helmet before the expolosion
jolly swift
he didn't escape the ship because he didn't want to
jolly swift
he thought he was getting a heroic spartan's death
humble yacht
he didn't escape because he couldn't
willow arrow
I think noble 6 and Jorge could be alive
@flat bone Noble 6 i think is alive, but Jorge probably not.
humble yacht
as soon as he pressed the button it detonated
flat bone
Noble I think is alive
cedar surge
and also ONI would have found six in the 0.!% chance he was aalive because they went back to reach
humble yacht
the only living Noble is 3(?)
violet zephyr
he thought he was getting a heroic spartan's death
@jolly swift Lieutenant Dan style
flat bone
Unless he hitchhiked
inner basin
Jun is Noble 3, yes
willow arrow
yes
violet zephyr
No Jorge wrote Hitchhikers guide
flat bone
I’m not saying Jorge
inner basin
Jorge and Six are dead and will only ever be alive if 343 retcon it, which they most likely won’t because there’s no reason to
willow arrow
Jun might be alive although im pretty sure he died protecting the Doctor.
flat bone
I’m saying six might’ve hitchhiked
humble yacht
no he's dead too
inner basin
No, Jun is alive in 2558, I think. He survived Reach anyways
flat bone
But Jorge is dead
violet zephyr
No he is dead for sure (Jorge)
humble yacht
he hitchhiked in your fanfic or headcanon
flat bone
No proof he didn’t
willow arrow
I think Carter had a sad death. Nobody really notices carter.
jolly swift
Jun is 100% alive and helped found the Spartan 4 program
humble yacht
Jorge's death was sadder imo
flat bone
He would’ve grabbed his helmet most likely
humble yacht
because it was immediately invalidated
flat bone
If he survived
violet zephyr
Honestly I hate when people decide to ruin the honor of Noble taking Jorges respect, with the idea that Jorge is still alive
Come on
flat bone
Thank Emile for always being ready
humble yacht
the silver lining is that Jorge didn't have to see his sacrifice become meaningless
flat bone
Oof
violet zephyr
Exactly
willow arrow
I dont know, Noble Six kept getting stabbed my mini blades, as you see those mini blades during Elite Assasinations, and they need two of them to do the job, and they all had one. In Multiplayer, a big sword instant kills you, but nobody had a sword that big, and if im right the elite at the end had a mini blade, and with Noble Six luck he couldve killed that elite.
humble yacht
he didn't
humble yacht
because shields were down
willow arrow
I asked the same thing.
flat bone
Oh ok
stiff creek
1000 degree subanese needle
willow arrow
Nice name, @stiff creek.
stiff creek
Lub u 2 fren
stiff creek
Smelly
flat bone
Are links allowed here?
humble yacht
depends on what you want to link
flat bone
A video
violet zephyr
Yeah
humble yacht
is it yours?
flat bone
No
humble yacht
then no
flat bone
K
stiff creek
Kek
violet zephyr
Wut?
round comet
what are you guys talking about
flat bone
I think it was called
humble yacht
no memes, caboose
flat bone
“What is that” by slip space Intertainment
I think was the name
The true nature of the gravemind
hard epoch
guys in halo ce on xbox when i press a button the graphics change
i was just wondering why it allows me to do that
humble yacht
because you're playing MCC (or HCE:A)
and switching between classic and anniversary graphics
hard epoch
oooooooo
karmic hemlock
oh, jorge is still here. and there. bits of him kinda everywhere, really
jolly swift
he'll be fine
humble yacht
it's unlikely he was rent asunder
karmic hemlock
nah, just catapulted into another dimension with no escape
id rather have it be quick
humble yacht
the radiation would have killed him for sure
his carcass is probably just floating in a slipspace channel
maybe one day he'll hit the windshield of a ship passing through that channel
karmic hemlock
"for a brick, he jumped pretty good!"
flat bone
lol
jolly swift
so did Chief really need to hold onto that door when he dropped from the ship in Halo 3's opening? Six fell from low orbit to the surface and was fine
humble yacht
6 had a reentry pack
lapis ferry
did jun actually climb a space elevator to escape reach
i heard it from someone but i didnt know if it was true
carmine sleet
That's not canon
humble yacht
Fistful of Arrows is non canon
lapis ferry
oh
lapis ferry
is there any official story to how he escaped reach?
carmine sleet
Fistful of Arrows isn't where Jun climbing a space elevator came from
carmine sleet
If I recall, Frankie posted it randomly on Twitter but said that it isn't something to take as canon
azure apex
Jorge can't survive at slipspace
round comet
Fistful of Arrows is not canon yeah
im yet to read it
wait, its related to noble team right? does it have actual characters?
carmine sleet
It features Noble, but mainly focuses on Jun
jolly swift
Could Chief be considered not to be human anymore, in like a ship of theseus way?
carmine sleet
He's still human
vague scroll
nah, he's still very much human
carmine sleet
Like, an enhanced human sure, but still human
vague scroll
it's not like his genes have been modified to a point that his DNA isn't a match for the human genome
he's still a two-legged hominid standing up right with a mouth and a brain
jolly swift
So the Librarian didn't evolve him so much that he wouldn't be human?
unkempt sigil
Could Chief be considered not to be human anymore, in like a ship of theseus way?
Well, I’d say some superhuman, or super-soldier
humble yacht
he's human
vague scroll
the Librarian evolution gene song plot line was kind of dropped after it's mention in Halo 4 - it just serves to establish an immunity to the Composer
jolly swift
He's just a super rad human
vague scroll
and given ancient humans still being "human", I don't think an evolved gene song really does much for him in terms of making him different from other homo sapiens
though tbf Ancient Humanity was composed of multiple human species so, that might play a role...
lapis ferry
wait whatever happened to the early humans that the librarian placed on earth during the construction of the portal on voi
did they all die when the installations fired?
idk just curious
willow arrow
helloooo
vague scroll
The portal facility was built after the installations were fired
vague scroll
Pretty sure it’s after
stiff creek
Nah.
humble yacht
The halo 3 terminals mention the portal
vague scroll
Fair then, I guess it was before, Cradle of Life confused me on that distinction then
Checking back with Halopedia, seems construction continued through the Halos and after
flat bone
the halo 3 terminalls are transmissions from mendicant right?
vague scroll
So that’s my bad
flat bone
mendicant bias
vague scroll
A mix of transmissions from Mendicant, the Gravemind, Librarian and Didact
flat bone
k
vague scroll
And a couple other stuff here and there
humble yacht
the halo 3 terminalls are transmissions from mendicant right?
Not all of them
flat bone
do the skulls have any canon?
flat bone
k
vague scroll
What?
vague scroll
Didn’t realized till you said canon
faint stone
carmine sleet
No difficulty is the canon difficulty
stiff creek
nEurAL PhySiCs
round comet
hmm?
lapis ferry
i thought it was heroic
cause of the halo 3 description
“How halo was meant to be played”
Though my memory may be crap and im wrong idk
humble yacht
That is the description of Heroic
but that doesn't mean Heroic is canon
it just means Heroic is the most balanced difficulty
lapis ferry
laughs in halo 2
zenith veldt
No difficulty is the canon difficulty
can be debated
lapis ferry
i love it when people say that LASO is the cannon difficulty but im just like chief has a hud and self regenerating shields lmao
humble yacht
canonically everything would be like a glass canon
chief would hit hard but die quick
lapis ferry
canonically time is slowed down for him when it needs to be and he can run up to 60 mph so i guess not everything is game accurate
versed helm
Spartan time is basically a super powerful adrenaline rush, right?
humble yacht
spartan time is how they see the world when they concentrate
they're augmentations affect their reaction times and the speed at which electrical signals propogate in their brains
so when they concentrate, it's like the world around them slows down
lapis ferry
spartan time is how they see the world when they concentrate
@humble yacht sounds like both a blessing and a curse
vague scroll
the problem with any notion that a difficulty is "canonical" is that gameplay itself isn't always canon
lapis ferry
thats true
vague scroll
Chimera made an excellent example of a point a few days ago where he pointed out the Sergeant Johnson repeatedly dying during Halo CE is entirely improbable
humble yacht
impossible
lapis ferry
like the type 47-B’s weakness in its legs
pseudo spindle
yeah pretty sure chief isn't picking up human skulls and beating people up with them
vague scroll
my bad, I just said improbable given - you technically could keep him alive during the missions you encounter him in if you tried hard enough I guess
humble yacht
sure, but in playthroughs where he dies in every appearance, it's impossible that it could be canon
vague scroll
agreed whole heartedly
humble yacht
it's not canon that chief would betray Keyes on the bridge and get murked by marines
grenade jumps aren't canon
so much about the gameplay is just for gameplay's sake
vague scroll
you could also look at cross game inaccuracies - Fireteam Raven showing Scarabs and Falcons on Alpha Halo where CE never showed either, some people I've talked to were a bit frustrated by that when Raven first started being hosted in the US
did I? shoot
I'm tired this morning, I substituted your username for Raven...
flat bone
anyone know what ring was at the end of halo 5?
versed helm
09, the one Anders was on in HW2
humble yacht
we don't know
versed helm
........we kinda do
humble yacht
we don't
vague scroll
we absolutely do not know
versed helm
ending cutscene of HW2, 09 is approached by a guardian
ending of H5, Cortana, in a guardian, approaches an unknown halo
vague scroll
Halo 5's legendary ending is Cortana humming while the camera pans over a Halo ring glowing next to a red-colored planet/moon
there's no guardian in view
that's not confirmation or even causation
humble yacht
it's probably not
vague scroll
it's okay to theorize it as such, just don't assume it as fact. I'm tempted to say it's neither 09 or 07. Basis in the Soell star system has both been depicted as red and silver colored so it's hard to say the world behind the halo is the same place.
versed helm
yeah, that is also true
humble yacht
the only circumstantial evidence pointing to the ring's identity is which rings it's not
it's probably not I05 because that ring should still be under watch by SoS or UNSC. It's probably not I03 because we don't know if it finished repairs
versed helm
still could be 01, 02, 06, 07, or 09
humble yacht
it's probably not I09 because that ring wasn't made until ~1 yr after the events of H5, it's unlikely that that scene would represent such a major time jump, especially when we don't even know if the writers of H5 had in mind that I09 would even be a thing. also, when we see I09 get pulled out of slipspace, there are no celestial bodies in the horizon
zenith veldt
what is ~1 year
vague scroll
"about 1 year"
zenith veldt
oh
lapis ferry
I wonder what role the created will play in infinite
lapis ferry
i can imagine chief finishing off atriox in a bossfight just like tartarus, then several guardians appear in the sky and you can hear cortanas meniachal laughter
thats just a dream though
humble yacht
tartarus boss fight was terrible
flat bone
i dont think its 07 either because it has a big break in it
and 06 was glassed
05 also has a break
versed helm
01, 02 or 09
flat bone
i dont think 09
versed helm
why not
versed helm
the order she takes them in could matter
flat bone
Lol
lapis ferry
Thats true
flat bone
she know the location of all the installations
with access to the domain
im suprised she didnt go for the rings instead of the guardians
humble yacht
and 06 was glassed
05 also has a break
think you're confused there
03 has a break. 05 was partially glassed by the SoS
flat bone
05 was halo 1 and 06 was halo 2
humble yacht
smh
flat bone
brainfart
i have an idea
xeta halo will be used to stop cortana
maybe she wont know where it is
cuz its not origionally part of the current array
lapis ferry
why is zeta halo damaged anyway
flat bone
mendicant
lapis ferry
does it not have a monitor?
lapis ferry
Mendicant was the monitor for the original halos?
flat bone
basically he attacked the foreunner capital witht the ring then slipspaced out of there to avoid damage to the ring
flat bone
but the controlls were damaged so he was in collision course
humble yacht
Mendicant Bias is not the monitor for Zeta halo
lapis ferry
also what do you guys think is going on with infinity
flat bone
never was supposed to be
but when the forunner put him there to interogat the primordial
he stayed
and became its unoficial monitor
its very complicated
@lapis ferry the xeta ring broke because after retreating to slipspace in his attack on foreunner capital mendicant was on route to collide with a planet because the steering wheel broke, he was able to stray the ring so the planet would pass through it, but the gravity broke the ring, it was later found by foreunners neutralized (for the most part) and shrunk to 10000km rather then the 30000km it used to be, but they decided not to fix the break?
boom
humble yacht
what is this about a break not being fixed? after it was shrunk down to 10k diameter, it was repaired
brittle thicket
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
zenith veldt
plasma toilet paper
flat bone
y are grunts never infected by the flood?
gilded mason
They are
Infection Form grunts were just not shown in game since that takes time to model and animate
flat bone
poppers?
gilded mason
Carrier forms are formed from older Combat Forms, or from infected bodies that are unsuitable for combat.
gilded mason
Here's a HW2 concept for a Grunt Combat Form:
https://twitter.com/hd_herrera_/status/892847781089607685
keen delta
I believe master chief came to the same conclusion in the book 'the flood'
keen delta
but anyway it would make sense because halo CE had tons of carrier forms
flat bone
i wonder why arbys man (arbiter) never gets infected during the scene where he stabs truth
it looks like truth breaths out some spores
gilded mason
I just go with "His shielding prevented spores from getting in."
flat bone
and johnson
gilded mason
Magic
gilded mason
No. I get mine from reading the books.
flat bone
oo
gilded mason
And other primary sources
keen delta
It does kind of contradict artas when he said one single flood spore could destroy a species
versed helm
Is there a multiverse or is it just one universe?
keen delta
also johnson is immune to the flood
gilded mason
He was exaggerating to emphasize that there isn't really "too much" in regards to preventing Flood from spreading.
He is not. That was retconned.
keen delta
when?
humble yacht
isnt that were we all get our lore
Not in a million years
gilded mason
Probably as far back as the graphic novel story "Breaking Quarantine"
flat bone
really all you need to deal with the flood is bandana skull and infinite grenades
just spam grenades
versed helm
I was recommended to read first contact for my first halo novel. Do you guys have any more suggestions?
gilded mason
Go in release order
flat bone
aslong as its on easy
humble yacht
First Strike novel introduced the idea that Johnson was somehow resistant to the Flood due to his Spartan 1 augmentations
but Joe Staten hated that
versed helm
Idk the release order-
humble yacht
so they changed it
gilded mason
You mean First Strike?
flat bone
imagine changing the difficulty of the univverse
humble yacht
sure, First strike
keen delta
when did they change it?
humble yacht
with the graphic novel
keen delta
because first strike and later contact harvest addressed johnsons condition
humble yacht
showed that johnson avoided infection with his badass soldier skills
keen delta
thats pretty lame
gilded mason
Nah, it's good
versed helm
Do you think it’s better that way?
flat bone
there couldnt be a cure
humble yacht
now currently there may have been a ret-retcon suggesting that Boren's Syndrome actually provides some resistance to flood infection
gilded mason
Having an immunity to the Flood really ruins what makes the Flood terrifying
humble yacht
but I'm not 100% sure on that
versed helm
True true
versed helm
I know this is a stretch but I’d like to think about somehow the Bethesdaverse would cross paths with the haloverse in the future
Probably dumb
flat bone
beth what
versed helm
Doom, Wolfenstein , etc
flat bone
oh ok
gilded mason
No thank you.
keen delta
yeah but having johnson just sort of shoot his way out also cheapens the flood. when hes stuck in the same scenario his squad was wiped out in
gilded mason
Because he was the only SI in that squad.
And had enough luck and tenacity to escape
versed helm
I wonder why picatinny rails are the standard in halo when mlok is kinda the new thing
keen delta
because mlok wasnt invented when halo was first written
versed helm
Well yeah but , with halo infinite they could’ve added some form of it
lapis ferry
also johnson is immune to the flood
@keen delta not immune
gilded mason
We went over it, don't worry
keen delta
I dont expect game devs to know all the ins and outs of firearm technology and attachment systems. unless of course the game is using it as a feature
flat bone
out of every spartan in halo 5 tanaka is the one i know the least about
versed helm
They don’t have to know all the ins and outs of firearm technology
versed helm
They really were trying to get us immersed with the sound design and all
keen delta
buck didnt seem like himself in 5
versed helm
Well it’s halo 5, so
gilded mason
None of 'em. She went on an Ark expedition.
carmine sleet
vale was part of the exploration of 07 or 09 i forgot
Installation 00
keen delta
lol yeah
gilded mason
Beat ya, Slippy!
carmine sleet
I know... One day Ostral, one day I'll beat you
gilded mason
lol
carmine sleet
Or not. Who knows, maybe you'll always be faster than me
gilded mason
I'll be caught unawares someday!
west silo
Her planet got glassed
carmine sleet
She came from a colony that was glassed by the Covenant and had to survive on the surface until help arrived for quite a long time
keen delta
so did bucks
west silo
That's basically the whole back story
carmine sleet
Only reason she did survive was because of some Innies that happened to be among the group of survivors she was part of
flat bone
innies?
carmine sleet
so did bucks
Buck wasn't on his home planet when it was glassed
west silo
Didn't they kill her dad?
keen delta
insurrectionists @flat bone
flat bone
k
carmine sleet
Didn't they kill her dad?
Jackals did, not the Innies
carmine sleet
No, that was someone else
flat bone
im anxious for the glyph easter egg to be solved
stiff creek
If it ever will.
flat bone
true]
west silo
And marthy is just trolling everyone
keen delta
watch that final easter egg have nothing to do with the glyphs
versed helm
Hey Guys.
Do you really think that's Cortana will remains as a traitor in the Halo Infinite, or will have some "explanations" for that, like Ultron dominating Jarvis intelligence?
versed helm
Yes
keen delta
ive heard a lot of people talking that the cortana from halo 5 is one of her rampant personalities she made to defeat the diadact with in halo 4
humble yacht
I mean
versed helm
I just want to kill her now hahahahahahaha
humble yacht
i don't know about "one of"
keen delta
well she seperated herself a lot
humble yacht
but certainly this cortana is formed from the fragments that made it to the domain
which were the rampant spikes she ejected into Mantle's Approach
it's more likely that she consolidated those fragments to become more stable and to avoid arguing with herselves about which fragment would be in charge
keen delta
also the infinite trailer seems to suggest some kind of new cortan like AI
versed helm
which were the rampant spikes she ejected into Mantle's Approach
@humble yacht That's a possiblity, if it's true, we will can defeat this Personality (of course, if that history ends with Infinity)
keen delta
or a remade version of the old, im not sure
versed helm
or a remade version of the old, im not sure
@keen delta Yes, that's why I came with the Ultron comparison
keen delta
both with master chiefs vacant chip in the pelican scene being a different AI number than base cortana, and the hidden cortana audio where cortana seems confused that she is detecting something similar to herself
ill try to find it
humble yacht
that chip didn't have an AI in it
it wasn't even outfitted as a standard AI chip
it was an AI containment device
versed helm
Just how @humble yacht says, it's important that they don't try to make Cortana an injusticed hero
keen delta
thats why I said it was vacant
humble yacht
yeah but based on the description of "weapon containment device", it's unlikely that chip was meant to normally house an AI at all
keen delta
humble yacht
so I doubt it was given to chief along with a Cortana 2.0 or something like that
lapis ferry
it could be designed to pull cortana out of the domain
humble yacht
that would be an impressive device
especially considering that Halsey hasn't interacted with the domain, as far as we know
lapis ferry
you never know what kind of forerunner tech they stumbled upon while doing research on the ark and other installations
keen delta
I dont know dude, their is a CTN Ai serial number printed on the chip itself that differs from cortanas base, and master chiefs bios even recognizes it as something that would contain an AI.
humble yacht
well yeah, obviously it used to be a standard AI chip
but it's not at the time of Discover Hope
It's also worth noting that Cortana's original data chip was lost in H4
the didact disintegrated it.
so maybe the chip in the Discover Hope trailer was a backup data chip for the OG cortana, or something
not necessarily indicative of a new cortana
versed helm
Yes
lapis ferry
there shouldve been a didact bossfight
where you did like no damage to him
and he would keep hitting you
humble yacht
wouldn't be a very fun fight
versed helm
And Cortana then rekt him
lapis ferry
and it would only end when you were at like
humble yacht
sounds like the tartarus fight
lapis ferry
super low health
just like the end of reach
but you wouldnt die
instead that would be when cortana trapped him
versed helm
Hmmmmmm....wouldn't be all that fun
keen delta
that sounds like the ending to halo 5, which was terrible