not a lore reason
#lore-and-universe
cedar surge
jolly swift
Maybe coincidence at most
Maybe if there was a novelization Chief would be like "man I'd kill for an MA5 rn"
dusty copper
I think they were trying to make that the main rifle but ended up doing both
jolly swift
Speaking of which, do we know anything about the MA5A?
dusty copper
Is that the halo reach version?
snow halo
I don't think the ma5a exists in canon but they skipped A so seeing how it looks would be really cool
humble yacht
Is that the halo reach version?
reach uses the MA37
dusty copper
K
snow halo
the MA5B is the CE and MA5C is h3
keen delta
the MA37 is like the UNSC Armies version of the rifle series
dusty copper
Okay
snow halo
they should've made the MA37 have 60 rounds per mag
keen delta
its also why they were running around with M392 DMRs instead of BR55s
jolly swift
The army are hipsters and use an older version apparently
keen delta
personally I think its because they are less essential than the marines are, kind of a reverse of modern US military where the army gets the newer toys
dusty copper
You would think the army gets the same as the marines
snow halo
the MA37 was first used in 2437
I don't think anyone uses 100 year old weapons in the real world
keen delta
not necessarily, especially if you look at modern militaries where its like pulling teeth just to move everyone to the same camo
uhhh
there isnt one particular gun but there is equipment thats nearly a century old still in service in various countries
at least in design
keen delta
9mm luger, 45 acp, 7.62x54r etc
snow halo
and the MA5B was already in use by the fall of reach so you would've thought they should've used that
keen delta
I dont think its still in active service aside for special forces however
and they get whatever they want
jolly swift
My theory is that until the start of the war humanity had essentially reached a point of diminishing returns in terms of advancement
jolly swift
I think by 2525 we'd just gotten to the point where we couldn't easily innovate more without outside influence
keen delta
the M2 HMG
humble yacht
@keen delta don't use profanity
keen delta
anyway UNSC probably operates in a 'if it aint broke dont fix it' mentality
keen delta
and consider they were just coming out of a golden age of peace there would be little incentive to advance small arms technology
and despite this we see leaps and bounds in material composition advancements, railgun technology becoming viable and scalable
jolly swift
I always had the crack theory that there was a nuclear war in the 21st century in this universe
keen delta
I believe there was
jolly swift
or something similar that just ground advancement to a halt
cedar surge
the interplanetary war
keen delta
however I think the dates for those are well before the current technological stagnation
jolly swift
but maybe it slowed progression like the burning of the Library of Alexandria
cedar surge
jolly swift
wait what if Marathon takes place in the same universe
cedar surge
it dont
jolly swift
yeah probably not
we can't have weird cyborg supersoldiers running around fraternizing with AIs
at least not too early
cedar surge
doid army gotta wait a while
jolly swift
the UEG will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire!
cedar surge
hundreds of billions of other species laughing at them in the backround
shut harbor
hi
cedar surge
hello
shut harbor
i like halo :>
cedar surge
we do too
cedar surge
well thats gonna take a while
snow halo
we already did that
shut harbor
lol
snow halo
in halo 4
shut harbor
i dont have halo 4 :<
cedar surge
the pelican can go from space to atmosphere without any problems
shut harbor
ye
keen delta
we flew it for all of 5 unremarkable minutes
cedar surge
the gunship pelican
jolly swift
with a tiny little chair on the side for S1337
carmine sleet
we already did that
in halo 4
We also got to pilot one in Reach through an Easter Egg too
keen delta
not quite the same
cedar surge
its a little strange that all of the colonies were made in under 200 years
keen delta
cedar surge
thats 200 years to establish 800 well structured colonies and moving billions of people
faint stone
slipspace
colonisation
reproduction
i don't rlly think humans would forget how to breed like rabbits lol
cedar surge
slipspace isn't tthat available
the solar system was overpopulated with humans
and likely the government encouraged it
cedar surge
what?
keen delta
the inner colonies are more developed than the outer colonies
cedar surge
why ae you putting words in my mouth?
faint stone
you're acting like it wouldn't take under 200 years for them to establish colonies in freaking space
well
i'm using your logic
i understand the future by applying my current years logic
yes
very smort
cedar surge
im not saying that wouldn't be impossible. im saying making 800 colonies in under 200 years with good infustructure
while moving billions of people out of the solar system
keen delta
its possible i suppose assuming the planets themselves are garden worlds already
then you just need to concentrate on moving the people and building the infrustructure
faint stone
no need to have to make air since it's already there
keen delta
which is I know easier said than done
faint stone
hence why humans inhabited those worlds and colonised them
also the fact it is the future
and how we got humans in big metal suits breaching the atmosphere without burning up by using a shard of a ship
keen delta
I personally don't know a lot about how effective humanities colonization technology is
faint stone
effective enough
in the halo universe that is
since rn we're planning on putting humans in the caves of mars
because of the storms on the planets that can kill you
cedar surge
" Many planets are so inhospitable that they cannot be terraformed, which often results in the UNSC seeking already habitable planets. Understandably, these are extremely few and far between, which results in some colonies being extremely remote.[5] The UNSC has used several methods to terraform worlds, such as bombarding a planet with asteroids to lay a new mantle and crust over the planet's natural one."
that puts down the garden world theory
since already habitable worlds would be rare
faint stone
colonisation technology by bombarding planets with asteroids
sounds good enough for me
keen delta
however we can kind of look at our own history to get kind of an idea, its taken a little over a century to fully develop our at the time uninhabited western territories, and establish a firm infrastructure. and this is without the benefit of billions of people and hundreds of years with advanced technology
terse lava
There was also the centuries of peace to help boost it
keen delta
if there is a will there is a way
cedar surge
also slipspace technology is the most expensive piece of technology
keen delta
and the UNSC was facing a population crisis so they would have no doubt focused on means to make the colonization process go as fast and effectively as possible
cedar surge
they were
"As faster-than-light travel was still new and highly expensive, potential colonists were subjected to rigorous physical and mental testing to determine their suitability for the extrasolar colonization programs. As such, the colonists who formed the basis for the 210 first-wave colonies settled before 2390 formed humanity's elite; these worlds would later be known as the Inner Colonies. Earth and the Inner Colonies soon became the political and economic basis of the UNSC as humanity began expanding to the Outer Colonies.[3] For humanity at large, this was a time of unparalleled prosperity and optimism which has later come to be referred to as the "Golden Age" of human colonization,[6] a period which would eventually come to a violent end in the later years of the 25th century.[7]"
also
Colonial expansion continued and by 2490, UEG colonial space encompassed over 800 colonies in the Orion Arm, including planets, moons, asteroids, mining facilities, and relay stations
aint that only 100 years
jolly swift
not surprising
when the Americas were "discovered" they got colonized mighty quick
when we discover new opportunity somewhere we're quick to flock to it
keen delta
yeah but how developed are those 800 colonies?
jolly swift
the gold rush, for example
cedar surge
also just cause they are in the future why do they get a pass
jolly swift
because it took two weeks to get from Earth to Delta Halo
keen delta
they have 800 inhabited planets but some may be very early in their developement by the time of human covenant war
cedar surge
everything can't just be explained away by "its just the future"
faint stone
very developed
jolly swift
yes it can
jolly swift
they can get back to Earth in probably like a month's time for supplies
cedar surge
the scorpion
faint stone
it's like there's a big time scale difference in knowledge
right but a tank is a bloody tank
lmao
what do you expect
'they put nuclear fusion nukes into the scorpion!!!11!!'
bruh
keen delta
what about the scorpion?
faint stone
okay guys
case study
we got a scorpion
now lets compare it to slipspace and colonisation tech
as well as terraforming
thats a broot moment right there
cedar surge
anti gravity
faint stone
anti brain cells
keen delta
I think what lances concern is the series doesnt really address why its so easy to form colonies in such a short span of time. And much like yourselves just hand waves it
cedar surge
you know you love to insult my intelligence do you long
faint stone
watch halo legends origins part 2
that shows the construction of a colony
and no not really
just the fact you're saying stuff like that it weird when it's a game
and trying to apply actual real logic to why and how is like game theory lol
cedar surge
im not talking about the halo games,im talking about the halo EU
faint stone
yes
where the chief is fast as hell
very logical
where we can create smart ais with human brains
essentially creating another person
jolly swift
we CAN create another person
keen delta
@cedar surge ultimately we must understand bungie and its writting team are not scientists and they are not engineers, their writters are focusing on a military science fiction story, with the primary focus being on that aspect of the future. so things that are not important to that narrative were left open ended. its also why we see so much stagnation in technology in regards to small arms.
jolly swift
cloning is a thing, but flash cloning is problematic because you age them up, which means it's less stable
keen delta
in fact now that i think about it its more space opera than science fiction
cedar surge
i would say covenant and unsc are mostly sci fi. but everything else yea
also is it really that impossible for us to make a suit that makes you go fatser
or modify your body
keen delta
not with our current level of technology no, but things like military exosuits are in development
terse lava
Look at it this way, things we have today should have been impossible to those fighting in ww1
cedar surge
i see your point
terse lava
Heck, I recall a video of people in the 1920s predicting 2000 stuff. Massive blimps and fancy rail cars
keen delta
also human experimentation on improving our capabilities has been going on since the 30s or perhaps earlier.
humble yacht
According to James cameron, there should already be terminators and time travel
terse lava
We all know Skynet goofed itself
keen delta
time travel is theoretically possible via time dilation
but thats going forward in time
cedar surge
or just go into cryo
keen delta
or just park yourself outside a black hole and chill for a few hours and come back a few decades in the future
terse lava
Or centuries
cedar surge
probably some rich people stuck themselves in cryo to not have to go through the war
keen delta
depends on how close you get, probably dont want to screw that up
keen delta
Im not a scientist dont ask me I just understand the concept
cedar surge
like what do you think would happen if a portal opened near one
versed helm
anything that comes out of it goes into the blackhole
terse lava
Curious now if a black hole would even effect precursor tech or if they would just pass right through it
cedar surge
taking a stroll through a black hole on a star road
terse lava
Pausing to admire the singularity, watching reality bend around you. Then continue in your merry way while sipping a tea
versed helm
What if the singularity opens up into the same dimension as the star roads
terse lava
Yes and no
The shadows of the true star roads were what was in our reality
So really, all precursor tech is still around, just in different dimensions
terse lava
How is it a theory?
humble yacht
halopedia
terse lava
Was it not said in warfleet or mythos if I recall
humble yacht
warfleet describes how star roads were extradimensional but as far as I can see, doesn't say anything about whether they survived the firing by remaining outside physical space
terse lava
Hm, I doubt the halo effect could reach so far into other dimensions
Unless I am forgetting something which is possible
versed helm
it would depend on what other dimension they were in
cause im pretty sure that the halo pulse does break through into dimensions. dont remember which ones, though
terse lava
Dont think even the forerunners were sure, as they waited a while for the most star roads to be in reality before firing
versed helm
that's true
i still maintain that if all halos were aligned with the ark, facing a single direction, and fired, it will open a portal to one of the aforementioned dimensions
humble yacht
sounds like a fanfic
cedar surge
why would they open a dimension?
valid jolt
why Dimensions, isn't it a slip space portal?
cedar surge
slipspace is another dimension
valid jolt
Really?
cedar surge
multiple levels of slipspace there are
valid jolt
ok yoda
cedar surge
has the multiple layers thing really been touched on?
hasn't most modern era only really go through one layer of it?
cedar surge
sting theory?
craggy sierra
Isn’t it used to make self-isolated pocket dimensions like shield worlds?
That’s probably on different layers or something, I don’t know.
cedar surge
like the slipspace bubble at onyx?
craggy sierra
Yes
Like you can’t just slip space to there from anywhere right? You need to actually go in through the planet, don’t you?
humble yacht
afaik slipspace bubbles are isolated from the greater slipspace network and only have one entrance/exit
cedar surge
xo is there any real difference between a normal slipspace portal and the voi portal aside from shape?
terse lava
We know of other realities too besides slipspace
cedar surge
there are?
west silo
The glow
terse lava
Shunspace, the glow, trick geometrics
west silo
Denial of local
terse lava
Yep
cedar surge
5 dimensions?
terse lava
At least
cedar surge
where did they come from
terse lava
Halo: Cryptum
humble yacht
xo is there any real difference between a normal slipspace portal and the voi portal aside from shape?
Well for one thing, the Voi portal is persistent
it's also a faster route to the Ark than other slipspace travel
terse lava
I wonder if the Covenant were ever aware of the other realities
cedar surge
so copying the forerunners is heretical right
what about their weapons
or tech
they got most of that tech from the forerunners
humble yacht
huh?
who said copying forerunners is heretical?
much of the covenant tech is reverse engineered from studying forerunner stuff
west silo
Wasn't there lore where because a weapon was more effective than the standard one it was seen as heresy?
Until truth armed his brutes with red rifles that is
west silo
Maybe am just mixing something up
cedar surge
wasn't covenant tech stagnating because of this?
it seems humanity and the covenant were reaching this point before the war
keen delta
canonically how long did it take for them to get to the ark from the voi portal?
humble yacht
a month?
keen delta
thats impressive for a target outside the milky way
humble yacht
actually looks more like 3 weeks
west silo
Well they did use a portal specifically made to get there
humble yacht
^yep
west silo
Normal slipspace would have took 9 months
cedar surge
so hood was defending earth for three weeks while chief and crew were going on a merry ride
terse lava
The Covenant doctrine was that some refused to perfectly replicate forerunner tech. Like with energy cores
cedar surge
could have they replicated it in the first place
humble yacht
so hood was defending earth for three weeks while chief and crew were going on a merry ride
yea but it's not like they were under attack during that time
remember the flood never actually went to earth
(aside from that one ship in Floodgate)
jolly swift
and once the Covenant had a portal to the Ark, they lost interest in Earth
west silo
Its stupid the gravemind didn't at least send on cruiser to mars
cedar surge
didn't?
humble yacht
didn't*
west silo
and once the Covenant had a portal to the Ark, they lost interest in Earth
@jolly swift
The portal is literally on earrh
cedar surge
well mars still had a military
and the space forces were destroyed so its not like the flood could leave
earth is more important than mars
jolly swift
I mean once the portal was open they just kinda booked it to the portal
humble yacht
the covenant did, yes
jolly swift
they didn't really care so much about fighting humans on Earth
the Great Journey was within their grasp
violet zephyr
I understand most of Slipspace. But why does it look like a portal
west silo
Man it's really sad we did really see anything of that space battle
keen delta
I dont think lord hood had much to do at that point as the covenant were more focused on uncovering and activating the portal than wiping out humanity
west silo
I understand most of Slipspace. But why does it look like a portal
@violet zephyr
That's just the entrance
jolly swift
it's not a single portal - it's a portal into the dimension of slipspace, and then a separate portal out
with usually a few weeks in between
humble yacht
actually you don't exit splipspace through the other portal
keen delta
hood rally forces in case chiefs gambit failed
humble yacht
which is weird, you should
cedar surge
like going though a big room to get to another door
humble yacht
but remember the Ark level, Rtas's fleet made their own slipspace exits
cedar surge
yea i wish space battles got more detail
space battles are my favorite thing in sci fi
keen delta
covenant concentrated all their forces on that point of africa. and IIRC most of the covenant armada was still fighting with itself as part of the greater schism
cedar surge
actualy side its most
west silo
You know whats really funny
violet zephyr
Hold on. I think I have idea... When go through portal, it like tunnel.
keen delta
usually chief isnt the one making the plans
jolly swift
cleveland is north america
cedar surge
specific
violet zephyr
Hehe. I remember the Cleveland thing
cedar surge
i was writing while thinking
humble yacht
lol, cleveland is like one of the most boring places you could attack in NA
keen delta
FUN TIMES IN CLEVELAND AGAIN
west silo
In halo 2 after regret left the remaining covenant ships actually held there own against the entire earth defense fleet
But then by 3 the covenant is just a small breeze
jolly swift
but also Truth's Brutes showed up basically right after the cutscene at the end of Metropolis was over
cedar surge
they got smacked before earth 2:electric boogaloo started
west silo
And we're holding there own for 2 weeks
keen delta
regret left them to die
violet zephyr
@humble yacht I have question. (Just give your straight forward opinion or idea) What is the difference between the MA37 and the MA40?
humble yacht
we don't know
cedar surge
if you look really close at the one chief is holding
you can see the handprints of a dead marine he stole it from
violet zephyr
Murder?
west silo
The monster
keen delta
visually similar, however what we know of the MA37 is its just the UNSC armies version of the MA5 with their own little specifications
violet zephyr
gasp
west silo
Hero of humanity everyone
keen delta
honestly I think its just a 343 stylistic choice, as the marines would be using whatever the current MA5 variant is (I believe its D)
violet zephyr
THATS WHAT I THOUGHT
cedar surge
maybet he unsc just decided they needed one version of the AR for logistics
keen delta
yes
cedar surge
well
keen delta
but both guns share the same action
cedar surge
hasn't there ever been something new based on something old?
keen delta
IRL yes
jolly swift
it's possible that the MA37 was old, but the MA40 is the newer replacement to it
but still only used by the Army
keen delta
look at anything based off of the Ar15, Ar180 or AKM rifles
jolly swift
the Army prefers more rugged, reliable weapons that don't need maintenance for long periods of time
humble yacht
i mean, considering that it's found in a naval operation zone, it wouldn't be an army-only variant
violet zephyr
I’m not going to stay to long for the part two of this discussion. But I am still trying to wrap my head around them making the same model with a new name and VERY SLIGHT changes in ergonomics. You gotta squint to see the differences
keen delta
well
keen delta
look at our modern day rifles
jolly swift
better stock, grip, slightly different bulkhead, and a different muzzle break
and probably upgraded the same way they're upgrading everything post war
violet zephyr
Yeah. I’m not going to hold my breath for a logical explanation of this choice
jolly swift
it is only a small incremental change, like from the MA5C to the MA5D
violet zephyr
Except for fire rate and modularity
keen delta
take our M16 series the US military used up until the M4 became themain rifle. weve had 4 major iterations of the gun with only 2 visually standing out (A1 and A4) and the 2 guns that look similar (A2 and A3) have different trigger mechanism that make them function differently from each other
cedar surge
probably in the art book
west silo
Oh when that coming out
violet zephyr
That’s a good example/comparison. I never thought of using real world examples. Thanks
keen delta
so its minute things like this. now why the gun reverted to the past variant of the gun is anyones guess and I think 343 simply liked the look of it and went with it. but thats usually why you get new guns that dont visually look distinct
violet zephyr
I guess that’s a good bow to end it on
stable flower
The MA5D makes absolutely no sense. Why produce it in 2526 but wait for almost thirty years to issue it to your troops?
keen delta
based on the limited info on the gun in the wiki, I would say because it wasnt viewed as a significant upgrade
jolly swift
but now the UNSC is like Shaq eating wings meme
humble yacht
i wish i had wings
jolly swift
bbq wings are good
keen delta
your not going to fully re equip millions of your soldiers with a new rifle for just a marginal upgrade, especially when its essentially the same gun
jolly swift
they have them at my school's dining hall every Friday night
keen delta
its also why you probably see discrepencies with units using MA5B's instead of MA5C's
the UNSC had bigger R&D priorities during the human covenant war than the primary service rifle. which IIRC the UNSC tended to do pretty good on the ground war
humble yacht
a mix of buffalo sauce and bbq is really good
keen delta
also It may have been retconned but I dont think heavily shielded enemies like elites were used in great numbers in the early days of the war. so the assault rifle would have been more than adequate for jackals and grunts. as for hunters in ideal circumstances you would have rockets sniper rifles and heavy machine guns.
jolly swift
or the M6D
keen delta
praise be
west silo
I don't know every book now about the war has elites being thrown around like bullets against humans
And to be honest jackal shields are probably stronger than base elite shields
shut dew
Yeah they can deflect 14.7mm rounds from the Sniper Rifle
keen delta
true but like in game they have weak points like the pistol notch and their feet, and grenades can cause their formations to collapse
which I imagine would be much easier to do in universe where the gun performs how a weapon of that class and caliber should
west silo
Ehh gameplay isn't always accurate to lore
keen delta
thats what I mean
the gun would likely be more accurate and have an effective range out to around 300 meters. with the shooter being the bigger limitation than the gun itself.
west silo
He I don't think normal marines would be able to pull off a shot like shooting the hand of a jackal from hundreds of meters away
A Spartan definitely
A marine not so much
And odst maybe
keen delta
true but a lot farther out than what the jackal would do with the pistol
faint stone
romeo could
west silo
Well he's got a sniper so yeah
You can shot the hat off an elite from a mile away with that
keen delta
but by that point your looking at the job of the units designated marksmen, who would in universe be equipped with DMR's or Battle rifles
west silo
To be honest I find it dumb in halo that people usually only carry one gun
west silo
Why would you only have one gun
keen delta
because you have to lug around 100+ pounds of kit
west silo
Why did romeo only have a sniper rifle when boarding a covenant ship
keen delta
he had a pistol remember
west silo
A pistol is not gonna do that much
west silo
At least bring an smg
west silo
A shotgun
jolly swift
Buck clearly knew that they weren't dropping onto the ship
shotguns are more versatile than you'd thing
especially the M90
and in the close quarters of a covenant carrier?
it might even be ideal
keen delta
so IRL you dont simply take a gun when you go into combat, you have to take all of its ammo and and all the supplies needed to maintain that weapon. on top of all your body armor, spare clothes, medical supllies etc etc etc. now multiply that per any additional weapon system
west silo
So he made him go into urban environment with a only a long range 4 round weapon
keen delta
most soldiers dont even carry a pistol into combat just their primary weapon
jolly swift
they were meant to go as a squad
everyone had something covered
plus he seemed to do fine on his own for the most part
except for the whole
stabbing business
keen delta
also as a sniper rifle like this, they tend to be left in vehicles or transported disassembled when not in use, and when in use they are usually from a fixed position the sniper has set up beforehand
west silo
Everyone seemed to do fine for some reason
keen delta
but say the sniper is lighter than it looks
jolly swift
because they're highly trained
west silo
Its seems so with how they handle it
keen delta
yes you have a 4 shot long range weapon, but its a 4 shot long range weapon that can kill even the most armored targets the covenant has (with the exception of hunters from the front) in 1-3 shots depending on shield strength
and you are not alone
west silo
And there are hundreds of enemies
keen delta
your going to have guys with assault rifles, battle rifles, machine guns grenade launchers etc
the most ive ever seen guys carry IRL in addition to their normal kit, is like grenade launchers, stripped down shotguns, and disposable rocket launchers
otherwise they got their primary weapon and thats it, and they wont want anything else
because its more stuff they have to hump around
west silo
I think your applying RL logic too much to halo
keen delta
well yes this is lore and universe and it makes sense
west silo
Especially when we know humans in halo can carry alot when in armor
keen delta
nothing about the capabilities of a normal human beings suddenly changes. especially when its established only the spartans are augmented
I will concede the armor weighs less since its made of titanium A
rather than ceramic plates
west silo
Actually humans in halo are genetically augmented in some way
No not to superhuman levels
humble yacht
where you getting that info
west silo
I would have to go and find it
humble yacht
i'm not going anywhere
stable flower
I always wonder why the UNSC's premiere sniper rifles are anti-materiel rifles.
faint stone
yes
lugging around 100+ pounds of kit WHILST fighting genociding aliens
such scardy cats not using 2 weapons
pffft
its not like if marines had 2 weapons on them at all times and they saw a hunter they'd be awful at mobility hahaha
west silo
i'm not going anywhere
@humble yacht
Yeah I cant find it so am just going to drop it
humble yacht
k
west silo
I always wonder why the UNSC's premiere sniper rifles are anti-materiel rifles.
@stable flower
We to be honest with the enemies there fighting they need the firepower
versed helm
I wonder how OP you could make a sniper.
stiff creek
Stanchion levels of OP.
keen delta
im surprised the UNSC hasnt made their sniper rifle a mini-MAC tbh
versed helm
Can the hand held gauss cannon be treated like a sniper?
Technically, that's a mini MAC
keen delta
in universe sure I dont see why not, in game however please lord dont do this to me
west silo
Man having a stanchion in game would be hilarious
keen delta
the railgun was already OP enough now you want to put a scope on it lol
west silo
Its basically a railgun but doesn't have to reload every shot
versed helm
So, an auto rail gun with a scope
west silo
Yeah special odst units use it I think
versed helm
Daaannnng
west silo
What's crazy about about the stanchion is that its almost as fast as a mac
Well if you go with that scene in the fall of reach
versed helm
A chain gun, but fires rail gun rounds
stable flower
Well they were already using it against insurrectionists. No one knew they'd come across the Covenant.
versed helm
The stanchion, or the chain rail gun?
west silo
Well that just means the unsc likes big guns
The stanchion, or the chain rail gun?
@versed helm
The sniper rifle
versed helm
Ah. Kekek
west silo
And macs
versed helm
it's enough to make a grown man cry
stable flower
Hard to believe the Vulture was designed for counter-insurgency purposes.
west silo
It just shows that the unsc doesn't play around
Or the innies were just that dangerous
Who knows
versed helm
Or the condor is counter insurgency in the sense that no insurgence occurs when it's around
I mean, that thing can kill a man in so many ways
fair hazel
It's a long range dropship
versed helm
Dropping heads of off targets at long range
west silo
Basically the pelicans big brother
Man but how did the unsc defeat a retriever sentinel in HW2?
Jesus its the size of a frigate
And took two ships to defeat one
fair hazel
Nothing special that makes common condor that much deadlier than a pelican
west silo
And that involves ramming it
fair hazel
especially since many were not armed..
the retriever sentinel in HW2 retreats, not blows up
west silo
That it self shouldn't have been possible
stable flower
Probably made to fight covenant
@west silo But didn't get a chance to because the war ended. But hey, they can still use it on the remnants and splinter groups.
west silo
The gravity weapon would have crushed anything not a ship in a second
fair hazel
It wasn't made to fight the covenant..
And yes condors did exist during the war...
They're long range transports ..
west silo
Wait so can pelicans travel in slipspace now
versed helm
If they have the engine, then yeah
stable flower
The model seen in Nightfall is new IIRC
west silo
Because Bro hammer plans on using one in the infinite demo
If they have the engine, then yeah
@versed helm
I thought they were to small
keen delta
according to operational history their were too few condors in service since they suffered irreplaceable losses by 2545
stiff creek
@versed helm
I'm late, but yes, the Sniper unit can be upgraded to have a Stanchion.
fair hazel
Only if they have a slipspace engine which is not standard...
versed helm
What erick said
fair hazel
and the pilot's pelican does certainly not appear to have a special upgraded pelican
That's why he was looking for a condor, to get out
fair hazel
Why would he take the drive over the condor...
versed helm
He was looking for a working ship. Now working could mean either working comms or working engine
fair hazel
what is he going to do, take it then magically try to attach it with super powers?
keen delta
he may be trying to frankenstein some kind of spaceship to escape
versed helm
I think he wanted a ship with working systems, regardless of the slipspace engine working or not, cause they could probably feed the data into a banished ship to take them away
stable flower
The Condor variant the SOF frankenstein'd at the Ark apparently breaks weapon regulations.
fair hazel
i thought it would be extremly obvious to everyone who knows what a condor is what was going on..
The variant they frankensteined would be more accurate
versed helm
I think the primary mission will change, since the chances of finding a fully functioning slipspace engine in a ship graveyard is hella low
keen delta
for some reason I got a warning for abbreviating slip space
west silo
Oh
I
Dont do that
Its means something really not good
And it ain't the secret service
stable flower
But they could care less about regulations. They're out in the boondocks of space, outside the galaxy and separated from the rest of human civilization.
versed helm
I bet they take a banished ship, reminiscent of when Keyes stole that covie dropship.
fair hazel
It'll be handled. As we were, he's more than likely looking for a condor to comandeer, wherever he saw one, and go home
as in, slipspace home
west silo
I bet they take a banished ship, reminiscent of when Keyes stole that covie dropship.
@versed helm
I doubt we'll be leaving the ring
keen delta
what I was going to say was I dont know the size discrepancy of drives between ships since i only know about the one that noble team used as a bomb, and that was a frigate level one. assuming they are all about that size you could potentially (and extremely carefully) pull the drive from the one ship too damage to fly, hook it up to your pelican and transport it to a better ship
fair hazel
The Spirit of fire made a lot of personalized gear during that battle
The whole point of the condor is that it's large enough to accomodate a slipspace drive and all the necessary things for it..
west silo
How big is a condors slipspace drive?
keen delta
I have no idea
fair hazel
It's likely housed in the second deck too
fair hazel
that's a small house..
west silo
Yeah
fair hazel
the spirit of fire's condor gunships don't have slipspace drives
instead they mount the necessairy stuff for the massive weapon platforms
keen delta
the frigates can sit comfortably beneath a pelicans vehicle bay
west silo
Yeah conveniently
fair hazel
conviniently? how
west silo
I meant the condors at the ark not having drives
fair hazel
They do
west silo
They have slipspace drive?
fair hazel
don't use the acronym
fair hazel
I didn't say the ark's condor's didn't have slipspace drives
the spirit of fire's condors don't
for obvious reasons
west silo
The spirit got there's from the ark
fair hazel
They also made their own
west silo
So they why not send the ones with drives to go get help
fair hazel
do you have any idea how long of a journey that would be?
versed helm
Not enough juice, I think
west silo
9 months?
stable flower
I was about to suggest that, but then the thought of the Created came up.
west silo
Well they dont know about the created
stable flower
That's the thing. They don't know that the galaxy is being subjugated so they'll be caught off gaurd.
fair hazel
they also already sent anders for help
west silo
I doubt even atriox knows about the created thing
versed helm
But Anders got intercepted
west silo
He probably went to the ark before the whole take over thing
fair hazel
and they definitely dont know about anders
west silo
But Anders got intercepted
@versed helm
They also don't know that
flat bone
How many forerunner installations are there
west silo
To them reinforcements are probably only a few months away
flat bone
That have to do with the lore
west silo
How many forerunner installations are there
@flat bone
Thousands
flat bone
Main
west silo
10
flat bone
Like the halo array
west silo
7
flat bone
K
stable flower
They arrived in November when they slaughtered the Henry Lamb lab's personnel.
flat bone
What about requiem
flat bone
And that other one in halo 5
west silo
Well one got blown up
west silo
And replaced
flat bone
Twice
fair hazel
7 rings
versed helm
No......09 was a replacement for 08, which was replacing 04
flat bone
Ye
versed helm
6 rings, the ark and 07
west silo
And the one in five is probably the one in HW2
flat bone
Mhm
versed helm
8 halo array things
flat bone
The one on five is halo zeta
It was part of the other ring array
With the bigger ark
west silo
I know the original array
flat bone
Then they shrunk it and added it to the current array
There’s lore but like
Yeah
It’s also where the primordial infected mendicant bias
west silo
And started there lovely adventure
flat bone
Lol
west silo
Killing everything in the galaxy
flat bone
I’m confused about genesis and requiem tho
What r they
Mainly requiem
Why is it metal
flat bone
Ohhh ok
west silo
Artificial planets yo
versed helm
Forerunner bunkers to protect from Halo firing
west silo
Because the forerunners are rich
versed helm
Like point Ambrose
west silo
Where?
flat bone
I got warned for saying ye twice
west silo
Yeah it happens alot
flat bone
K
versed helm
The new name for Onyx. Named after Kurt's last name
west silo
Isn't its new name trevelyan
His last name?
Like pretty sure it was named that
K
@flat bone
Just don't use any swears trust me
flat bone
So currently in the halo universe the flood is contained to installations,00, 04, 05, 09? And 07
versed helm
I keeping getting confused between Ambrose and trevelyan, for some reason
flat bone
And yeah I don’t swear so I’m good
west silo
Nice
versed helm
Not 09. Its fresh from the oven
west silo
So currently in the halo universe the flood is contained to installations,00, 04, 05, 09? And 07
@flat bone
Yep just waiting for some idiot to find it
versed helm
04 is in pieces
gilded mason
The Ark contained the Flood to a small bubble around HC
versed helm
See ya, bromigo
west silo
Ya don’t think they hoped on?
@flat bone
If they did anders would have already been dead
clever totem
Delta Halo was contained shortly after the events of Halo 2
west silo
Basically glassed
clever totem
There shouldn't have been flood on 09 at all actually
gilded mason
Indeed
west silo
Yeah no samples to put on it
clever totem
Installation 07 is the most likely candidate for the flood, however humanity hasn't found any on it
versed helm
Ye
astral pivot
The ark had the flood contained in high charity quartine zone and ATN took place after installation 09 left
west silo
Well all the other unfound rings as well
clever totem
Potentially
west silo
Since they were supposed to research a cure
versed helm
What other unfounded rings? You mean 01, 02, 03, and 06? Most probably only some of these, and not all of these are unfound
west silo
Well there were 7 and only 3 were found
1 destroyed 1 quarantined and the other just left
clever totem
All locations of every halo in the neoteric array were discovered as far as I'm aware
versed helm
and the other just left
That's actually kinda funny.
west silo
Escalations yo
No but really the infinity would have to travelled a really long distance to find all the rings
Like a guess all of them would be some like at least 25,000lys apart
clever totem
All of their locations were cataloged on the Ark, which humanity occupied before Halo Wars 2.
west silo
Well humanity only went there like 1 after 3
Because the world was gonna end again
And 4 takes place 3 years later
Why would they have there most powerful ship doing a glorified scavenger hunt
clever totem
Who ever said the infinity had anything to do with locating the rings?
gilded mason
Some blurb talked about Infinity being on a mission to find and deactivate all the rings.
clever totem
I think it was Hunters in the Dark which described that all the rings had a timer on them and that it was set to activate in 5 weeks.
west silo
But did they say it found them all
gilded mason
That was becuase of the actions of Solitude, yes
Nope
Only ever found Gamma and Zeta
west silo
And if it did why would the monitor let them
Exactly
3 rings
And one just bugged off
Because he had better things to do
clever totem
What are we even talking about anymore?
remote pollen
is it bad i dont even have halo and i joined because im lonely?
west silo
Nah
west silo
I joined doom and I don't even play it
west silo
No
gilded mason
We did not.
gilded mason
03 is Gamma
flat bone
Yeah
It’s next to the site where they researched the composer
Or something like that
What about alpha halo
Is the flood officially gone there?
gilded mason
Yes.
flat bone
So then just 00 and 07 for sure
gilded mason
07 is not sure
flat bone
01, 02, and 06 still mystery
gilded mason
Since the UNSC hasn't found anything yet
flat bone
OST likely
Most*
Cuz that’s where the primordial was
And it also did experience an outbreak
gilded mason
Though at the moment, the UNSC has found no evidence of it
west silo
Wouldn't it have been better on a shield workd
west silo
Co power
flat bone
Composer
west silo
Hehe
flat bone
It auto corrects
flat bone
I wonder where the forerunners capital city is
And if it has been discovered by humans
gilded mason
It has not
west silo
Its still around
Just likely to never be found again
Because a little ai thought humans weren't worthy despite the librarian saying so
And because the closest thing to god lives there
gilded mason
(Though that AI was right)
gilded mason
lol yeah
west silo
Okay guys am gonna have to kill you now
Bye
Only to them get hacked by the Worlds smallest plot device
stiff creek
k
dusty prawn
west silo
Then chief can kill abbadon by using an AR made of neural physics
All the while heavy metal is playing in the background
astral pivot
So how does spirt of fire not run out of food during 2nd ark conflict do they go garden on there growing food or do UNSC just provided millions MRE last for years
astral pivot
Well setting up in farm middle of war would be hard since banished have ships in orbit that can glass a farm on the ground
stiff creek
The Banished probably would glass them if they could.
faint stone
so i remember watching the babysitter and dutch is in the odst team
is that canon or no
terse lava
I dont think so, don't recall that ever being a thing
stiff creek
It's canon, far as we know.
cedar surge
The SoF was a colony ship
So it would have large food stores
Plus most of that time would be spent in cryo
Plus couldn't it clone animals to make more food
Oh wait that is probably illegal
west silo
Hmm I wonder if the O'Brien in babysitter is the same one in H2A
Because it would actually be really sad
west silo
Well there also both odst
But yeah let him have his happy ending
If he even survived the war
terse lava
I doubt it is the same person
Hm, I wonder if Mendicant bias could have done more to help make the Covenant better then what they were.
gilded mason
Probably
terse lava
We know he at least taught the san shyuum how to make plasma weaponry and other advances before the war with the sangheili. Wonder if he bothered after the covenant was formed
cedar surge
So why did mendicant sleep for all that time?
gilded mason
He is just so tired.
cedar surge
Imagine going to sleep and waking up to a nation worshipping you
terse lava
Eh he was aware of what they were doing
stable flower
It still aggravates me how Gamma Halo is only visited in a comic.
fair hazel
and a video game..?
stable flower
It's a simulation
kind portal
It would be kindda hard for 343 to visit all the halos especially when bungie made the first 5 games that focused on only a few halos and reach. 343 had no idea how anything would pan out
craggy sierra
Do you mean guilty spark or the company?
Regardless I don’t know what Bungie has to do with either
stable flower
And a few Spartan Strike missions are simulations of events on Gamma.
versed helm
Ngl, if I was a Sangheili fleet master or whatever it's called, I would take a fleet and just glass Doisac
Why Doisac?
The Jiralhanae are too dangerous to be left alive
They'll quite a bit of time to achieve proper tech by themselves
They did fight themselves into the Stone Age, after all
I was about to say that tbh
terse lava
There likely was heavy fighting around Dosiac. Keeping them planet bound was likely enough for any local sangheili
cedar surge
Well now that the banished are a big faction now
Yea giving the brutes a common enemy under the banished isn't a good idea
west silo
Isn't it just that the banished have a large following on doisac
Not that every brute is on the banished side
terse lava
Yeah they are just popular on the homeworld
versed helm
Anyone have any theories of how the halo timeline would of changed if Nobel Six made it off of Reach on the Pillar of Autumn?
cedar surge
Humanity dead
If six got on the PoA the cruiser would have destroyed it
Six had to stay behind to defend it
west silo
Well maybe emile would have taken his place
But then six wouldn't really change anything
If he isn't in the right place at the right he might end up dying in CE
stable flower
Whose side were the Huragok on during the Great Schism?
versed helm
Whoevee treqted them well enough, i would assume
cedar surge
Ah I see
versed helm
@cedar surge yeah, I was thinking in this scenario Emile survived long enough to protect the Pillar of Autumn
terse lava
Nothing much would change. At best 6 may have been with Keyes during the flood attack and manage to get him out
keen delta
@stable flower neither side, but whoever was currently hosting them aboard the ship the individual is currently on. likely same scenario for most of the non elite and brute covenant species. you would probably get rebel engineers similar to Vergil from the brute held ships, but they would be few and far between.
west silo
Wasn't that mostly because vergil might have taken over that engineer?
Is it the engineer that's in control or Vergil ?
keen delta
no his fellow engineers freed him before that
terse lava
Virgil didn't take over the huragok. Huragok assimilated his data
stable flower
Kinda like the Grunts. Some are on the Loyalist side and others are on the Separatist side.
keen delta
the engineers from what i remember from the books are rather indifferent towards the covenants internal politics or religion. in fact in the books they were pretty indifferent towards the actual war itself. I remember an engineer in first strike repairing a needler for the master chief to get him out of a bind. those same engineers then were dispatched to repair a pirated ship for all intensive purpose for the humans.
as long as you leave them to their devices they dont really care about what goes on around them
west silo
Well didn't the engineers want the covenant to fire the rings so that they could go back to work
Talk about dedication
keen delta
I havent heard of that myself but it wouldnt surprise me
terse lava
It's from a data drop. At least one huragok wanted that.
craggy sierra
Anyone have any theories of how the halo timeline would of changed if Nobel Six made it off of Reach on the Pillar of Autumn?
There would be another bland non-character still alive.
versed helm
6 ain't that bad
west silo
He's almost literally a carbon copy of john
oblique ore
i would disagree
john is an unstoppable killing machine, he has a personality, jokes, hes sarcastic
6 is cold and calculated, like john he is a crazy good soldier, but he doesnt have any sarcasm or jokes
blazing owl
ye
jagged sigil
hello there
oblique ore
general kenobi
jagged sigil
if u didnt know
oblique ore
how would he survive glass?
jagged sigil
noble six helmet was found 1000km im not sure about the number
it wasnt found in the place he was dead
the helmet was far away
and if the glassing beam killed him
oblique ore
maybe the shockwave from getting glassed
oblique ore
"your body your armor, they belong to reach"
jagged sigil
yeah
oblique ore
hes dead fam
jagged sigil
thats a narrative line
he could have contaced ONI
and if chief could out run a glassing beam
oblique ore
it is very, very heavily implied that he is dead
jagged sigil
u think six cant
gilded mason
So do you actually believe Six is alive, or are you just saying it for the memes?
gilded mason
Happy to say, he is not.
craggy sierra
6 is dead
craggy sierra
This has been double confirmed by both Bungie and 343 that he is dead
gilded mason
^
jagged sigil
PLZ
jagged sigil
his death was confirmed
gilded mason
That started out as an incredibly stupid marketing term
jagged sigil
we can see that
gilded mason
343 has since said it applies to all Spartans
jagged sigil
but noble six death was never seen
versed helm
tbh If 343 said that 6 was alive I would be disappointed
jagged sigil
and when general kid modded halo reach
craggy sierra
He is dead
oblique ore
Head Hunters are sicker than regular spartans
jagged sigil
he saw that the last elite stabbed him in his arm
and noble six isnt a regular spartan
stable flower
The camera cuts away at the last moment
oblique ore
(thank you HiddenXperia for the knoweldge of what a head hunter is)
jagged sigil
exactly
craggy sierra
Noble 6 is a regular spartan 3
jagged sigil
hyper lethal vector
oblique ore
im telling you dude, 6 got owned
stable flower
They shouldn't have done that. It's like The Sopranos lol
oblique ore
6 is the big die
jagged sigil
bruh
oblique ore
its sad, i know
versed helm
6 is dead, he got swarmed by elites, and even if he killed all the elites in the cutscene then they would just send even more to kill him
oblique ore
but we must learn to let go
jagged sigil
ur saying that chief can out run the glassing beam
craggy sierra
jagged sigil
but six cant
craggy sierra
“We had a lot of people who were like, ‘No, we shouldn’t end it that way. We should allow the player to play on and, in their heads, keep living.’ But we wanted to bring it to a close.”
Hens dead
Confirmed by Bungie
versed helm
Chief ran into water
craggy sierra
Confirmed by 343
jagged sigil
he was still running
oblique ore
Look, noble 6 is my favorite halo character, but, he is KIA
jagged sigil
MIA