truth shouldnt have ordered the death of elites
#lore-and-universe
cedar surge
jolly swift
it's annoying that it's a species wide thing, but that's Species of Hats for you
cedar surge
cause yknow
jolly swift
yeah that's where he messed up
cedar surge
civil war
jolly swift
he underestimated the Elites tbh
cedar surge
even after stipped of the royal guards the elites were still loyal
lilac hare
Interesting.....
vague scroll
Truth was a sucker for his own delusion of grandeur. While he denied the notion that humans were the Reclaimers as Mendicant Bias claimed, he still believed in the Great Journey enough to pursue it whole heartedly.
His goof with the Sangheili seems to be a matter of him getting sloppy - probably thought he was days away from igniting the rings
could care less who got left behind or not at that point
jolly swift
"I promise the Humans are the reclaimers I WAS THERE"
vague scroll
"haha Great Journey go brrr"
round comet
i wanna go to war
vague scroll
that's not a rally point
round comet
no i am badass i will speak badass dialogue people will love it
jolly swift
wheeze
round comet
take me to war
round comet
cedar surge
"unsc high command trust me nuking two random covenant planets is a important strategy to winning the battle of earth"
round comet
a bad trilogy
vague scroll
two epic quotes from two unrelated franchises.
"War...war never changes."
"War has changed."
Guess which ones.
jolly swift
Fallout and MGS
round comet
yessir
vague scroll
ding ding ding we got a winner
jolly swift
or is War Has Changed also in Modern Warfare?
vague scroll
nah not Modern Warfare though that's not a bad point for that matter from Shepherd
carmine sleet
Ok Ares
cedar surge
if spartans are hyper lethal what are odsts? or other troops
vague scroll
^ this man is going places
"hyper lethal" is a cool marketing term that has no basis in the greater lore, you'd do yourself a favor by not giving it much thought
carmine sleet
Aye, it was a term invented by Bungie to try and hype up Noble Six back when Reach was being first made and has only appeared a few times since then, with the most recent being a retcon to make the term apply to all Spartans, regardless of that Spartan's skill level
jolly swift
I prefer having just the two hyper lethal vectors
cedar surge
but why?
cedar surge
it sounds like what kids on a playground would call their supersoldiers
jolly swift
kids think Vector is a funny man who dresses in orange pajamas
cedar surge
"nuh uh! my soldier beats yours cause hes hyper lethal!"
plus the name
why only chief and noble six have it when there are other spartans on their level
jolly swift
are there
willow pendant
i no ingles
jolly swift
I like to think that Spartans we play as are inherently the best because they're controlled by some paracausal force (us)
but that's an idea I've taken with me from Destiny
karmic hemlock
Listening to halo canon, just figured out what happened to Linda. She was on the Autumn. She was clinically dead. However, her cryo tube was ejected during the evacuation and later picked up after the ring was destroyed
cedar surge
that wouldn't make sense
why is something outside canon nvolved
also
that would mean you got your arm ripped off by a grunt
jolly swift
I just think it's a neat idea
it ain't canon, and shouldn't be, but I think it's cool to think about
cedar surge
maybe infinite will allow you to beat people with a mongoose
i wonde rwhat unsc vecile is the limit of what they can lift or at east flip over
bleak dome
Overlord has a point
cedar surge
thats game play overlord
cedar surge
gameplay isnt canon,cutscenes and scipted dialauge is
bleak dome
so chief did not press all of those buttons
cedar surge
otherwise most weapons would shoot 40 meteres and a odst could beat a brute to death
lilac hare
@FELUCHO1909#2013 vas a Espanol
jolly swift
what're you talking about Rookie can just Do That™️
snow halo
why's there a trademark symbol
bleak dome
idk
jolly swift
for the meme
cedar surge
they trademarked it in under a minute
vague scroll
@willow pendant #español
the words "gameplay isn't canon" is a statement used in the lore community to point out that nonsensical or unrealistic events, or even things that do not line up with the rest of lore in gameplay is thrown out
for example, conundrum of The Flood versus Halo CE gameplay
humble yacht
The conundrum of how Johnson can seemingly die multiple times in CE
vague scroll
exactamundo
inner basin
How nanomachines changed Chief’s armour... oh wait
cedar surge
like how chief should have been dead 10 to 15 times over
jolly swift
that's just luck
cedar surge
*plot amor
jolly swift
it is canonically luck
Chief is very lucky
because he's a leprechaun
hence why he's green
karmic hemlock
Plot armor = best armor
Add a touch of Applied Phlebotinum and boom! 117 is best spartan by way of player character puppeteering
jolly swift
THAT'S THE PHRASE I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR
karmic hemlock
Applied Phlebotinum?
cedar surge
no the last three words
karmic hemlock
Ah
No, chiefs superpower is to reload his last checkpoint.
He's not lucky, he just cheeses the ever living heck out of the system until he gets the best results
jolly swift
exactly
humble yacht
So Chief is Subaru?
karmic hemlock
Subaru?
jolly swift
that's how I think his luck actually works
zenith veldt
no, a corolla
humble yacht
Smh
cedar surge
Re:Zero
cedar surge
thats what you think tide
karmic hemlock
In other words: Master Chief Petty Officer John-117 is the Halo universe's ultimate munchkin
cedar surge
the galaxies chew toy?
last anchor
Chief gets Isekai'd. Wherever he goes instantly basically stops existing
Is this the beginning of the fabeled "strong grumbly man kills annoying screeching things" crossover we've wanted forever?
Chief, Goblin Slayer and Doomguy...
versed helm
goblin slayer? you mean guts from berserk?
humble yacht
I should make a meme were a grunt mech sees goblin slayer approaching and then flees
stiff creek
Anime characters are a lil hard to compare in coolery.
But I haven't watched Berserk or Goblin Slayer.
Actually I have watched some Berserk, Guts is kewl, I guess.
He reminded me of Artorias from Dark Souls when his arm was jacked up.
cedar surge
ghost in prototype suit vs johnson in prototype suit
stiff creek
Ghost would probably win, mainly because the Green Machine doesn't have much for armament.
But that gauss repeater might do some more consistent damage.
And Ghost wouldn't mind blowing himself up in the end anyway.
Ghost wins.
versed helm
When did Chief learn how to use an energy sword? Was this even established or no?
humble yacht
i don't think the moment he first picked up an energy sword is detailed
versed helm
Thanks.
last anchor
Spartans learn fast though. He probably just grabbed one and went swish swish stab.
Its a sword, not that hard to understand I'd think.
The first confirmed time we see him hold one is during The Package.
cedar surge
the unsc got energy bayonets now
so the unsc could make a energy knife for normal soldiers
or just for spartans
last anchor
They could. But the Spartan combat knifes already as good.
Without the need for energy.
cedar surge
helioskrill Fountain?
but marines and odsts taking energy knifes and shankng elites would be so cool!
gilded mason
Seems like a bad idea to try to get up close to an Elite.
cedar surge
and thorne
versed helm
Lmao.
humble yacht
oh, worked for Buck
cedar surge
and every spartan
versed helm
Don't forget Emile (partially).
cedar surge
energy machete
gilded mason
I'm talking about unaugmented humans, ya goofs.
humble yacht
eh, emile doesn't count because he didn't walk away from that fight
cedar surge
buck adn forge both shanked the covenant as non spartans
buck shanked a brute in odst
forge shanked ripa
gilded mason
(I was gonna mention Forge since his survival was pretty luck-based on him figuring Ripa wouldn't simply kill him without showboating)
last anchor
Buck had a combat knife though
cedar surge
so?
he still shanked a covenant meber
i wish odst had you use a knife to melee covenant
versed helm
A pretty important one too.
gilded mason
You mean the brute that the entire team had to pile onto?
versed helm
No, I was talking about Forge.
gilded mason
Anyway, just sayin' - you shouldn't count on facing an Elite/Brute in melee to actually work in your favor. There would be a lot of survivorship bias there.
versed helm
I would if I was a Spartan.
jolly swift
punch that brute
versed helm
There are instances where you could defeat them, so you should not completely dismiss the option.
gilded mason
I know.
just sayin' - you shouldn't count on facing an Elite/Brute in melee to actually work in your favor. There would be a lot of survivorship bias there.
versed helm
Sounds like Covenant fear mongering to me (joking).
humble yacht
ostral would do that
gilded mason
lol
versed helm
I would be lying when saying that I was surprised.
astral pivot
So do we know what life on high charity was for normal citizen not in the military did they have like stores go shop at or holographic tv entertainment? Or they more under government gives you job and food kinda of deal
humble yacht
it was a theocracy so there was probably a lot of praying and attending sermons
faint stone
our destiny is to use the mantle
but the pesky banished and cortana keep getting in our way
humble yacht
the mantle isn't something you use
humble yacht
it's a metaphorical throne
craggy sierra
And tbh if anything the universe is pointing towards humanity willingly rejecting the mantle.
vague scroll
it's a no-fun throne
humble yacht
i mean
the best kings are the ones who don't want to be
it's the ones who enjoy the power that ultimately become corrupt on it
craggy sierra
Also Halsey is the only human who even really has a concept of the mantle.
And I trust her with that as far as I can throw her.
humble yacht
the true test of the mantle is abolishing it
(at least I think that's how it should go)
craggy sierra
To be even more blunt about it. Why would we let a bunch of people who’ve been dead for 100,000 years tell us how to run our society?
humble yacht
well
tbf
humanity has always looked to the past when it comes to making decisions
carmine sleet
There's plenty of laws that people still follow to this day that have been round for hundreds of years as well
humble yacht
modern democracy is rooted in ancient greek idealogies
craggy sierra
Yeah but this is a history we don’t even have a record of
humble yacht
true
ashen scarab
keen delta
Not to mention its a concept invented by eldrich horrors for their creations, which should immediately raise some eyebrows with their history
humble yacht
just because the primordial looked like cthulu doesn't mean all precursors looked like that
west silo
He was noted to just be a gravemind masquerading as what the precursors looked like
And to be honest the precursors could have looked like anything they wanted
humble yacht
no, it was originally described as a mutated precursor
how it was related to the flood before it was "killed" is not clear
perhaps a psychic link
west silo
It was kinda in command of the flood before turning into dust
faint stone
yeah
if the real test for us to reject the mantle and remove it
and end up creating something else like a galactic union
then that'd be great story wise
versed helm
how would a galactic union be formed, though?
humble yacht
each species/faction would elect or otherwise designate delegates who would convene and make decisions and compromises on behalf of their people
west silo
Lets just hope the Senate isn't evil
cedar surge
Secretly truth had a child with neural physics powers while also somehow coming back from the dead
craggy sierra
if the real test for us to reject the mantle and remove it
You can’t remove a concept. And again, literally no human besides Halsey alive in the universe even has a concept of what the mantle is.
So honestly we’re pretty much doing that alreafy
cedar surge
Trusting halsey with that
I have a bad feeling about that
Oh wait
Ots just a ideology
So basically anybody could claim to hold the mantle
So cortana or the forerunners didn't really steal anything
humble yacht
well no
not anyone
you need the military might to actually enforce your rule
otherwise everyone would just laugh at you
west silo
Soo the if the covenant had known about the mantle would they have technically count as holding the mantle?
Since they kinda did rule the galaxy
gilded mason
They ruled a portion of the Orion Arm
versed helm
No. They were prejudiced against humans.
west silo
So we're the forerunner
gilded mason
Also, they did know about it. And thought they were enacting it, according to Wages of Sin. (I think)
west silo
Wait really?
gilded mason
Yeh
west silo
I thought they just wanted to go to heaven
gilded mason
Not really exclusive
west silo
Are u talking them assimilating other species into the covenant?
dusky brook
what happened with the covenant after halo 3
gilded mason
The organization dissolved
humble yacht
the mantle is about ruling but the covenant had no desire to watch over life in the galaxy as custodians
they wanted to leave their mortal coils behind
dusky brook
how come you fight them in halo games after 3 tho
gilded mason
Because those are other factions
humble yacht
because they split into a bunch of different leftover groups and we fight one of those leftovers in H4 and H5
the banished are another leftover group
technically the Swords of Sanghelios are also covenant leftovers
west silo
Well there not really covenant
humble yacht
covenant leftovers*
dusky brook
ok
west silo
So the planet in badblood is under created control now
humble yacht
that's how the cookie crumbles, sometimes
west silo
Man and I was thinking it would be some kinda safe haven
But nope guardian arrives and ruins everything
humble yacht
only if you resist
gilded mason
@west silo
Oh yeah. Here ya go:
We have seen inert control surfaces spring to life at their human touch. The Oracle itself calls them “Reclaimers.” But what do they reclaim? These machines? These cities? These worlds? Or, as I fear, are they to reclaim the mantle we so terribly squandered? The responsibility the Forerunners left us was a magnificent one, but perhaps beyond our means and character. We are a greedy, squabbling lot. We clamber over each other for rank and privilege, and kill, maim, or betray for power.
The Forerunner mantle was one of responsibility, it seems. Perhaps we were intended to nurture rather than conquer. If the Halo array is what it appears to be, then it is a monstrous thing, a necessary evil. Left intact to save us should the parasite return.
west silo
Is this from contact harvest?
gilded mason
Wages of Sin
west silo
What's that
gilded mason
A prophet hiding away in High Charity while the Flood consume it
west silo
Oh canon fodder
gilded mason
Hm?
astral pivot
Prophet of bailing in his office in the tower district
humble yacht
well yeah
gilded mason
We first hear of it in the H3 terminals, so...
gilded mason
Funnily enough, it's the Librarian of all people that calls it a stupid concept in those.
west silo
So why do people act like it was something 343 just threw into the lore
gilded mason
They don't pay attention
vague scroll
even then it's tonally consistent with the 343i renditions going forward as well, the Librarian was a critic of the Mantle in the 343i era lore
west silo
You know Greg payed a lot of attention to the lore
The only things he added were ancient humans and neural physics
vague scroll
tbh, those were inspired choices as well - if they weren't already hinted at in the H3 terminals, they were concepts he developed from experience of writing grand scifi as far back in the 80s
humble yacht
and a whole nother didact
west silo
The didact thing was cool
humble yacht
well whatever inspired him, keep it far away from me, pls and thx
west silo
The book should have came out before the game though
humble yacht
hashtag not my muse
west silo
We all have our preferences
versed helm
That is true
vague scroll
but I'm not kidding there, his background is the silver age of science fiction (I think that's the right term?)
humble yacht
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vague scroll
he collabed with Larry Niven on some Known Space stories
west silo
I have no idea who that is
vague scroll
author of Ringworld
west silo
Ohh
west silo
Heard about it but never read it
vague scroll
it's an okay read, not for everyone, it certainly shows it's era and the common tropes of it's decade
vague scroll
pulp fiction type sci fi, fairly grounded but certainly has some fantastical elements to it
it's more similar to say Mass Effect in tone than Halo
though it's scale is on par with the Forerunner Saga
west silo
Oh yeah isn't that how the got the physics of how the halo has gravity in the flood book
With the whole spinning ring
vague scroll
well it inspired Halo but Niven wasn't just making stuff up
west silo
though it's scale is on par with the Forerunner Saga
@vague scroll
So its a hard sci fi galactic war story
vague scroll
no
it's a pulp fiction sci fi romp about alien politics and ancient megastructures
not much in it about military sci fi
west silo
So kinda space comedy
vague scroll
comedy is the wrong word, maybe closer to an epic or classical adventure
vague scroll
yeah that would be a better assessment
west silo
Okay ever heard a book called man after man or something
versed helm
When Chakas stumbles upon a proto gravemind?
vague scroll
yeah more reason not for my pursuits, I'm more a military sci fi/cyberpunk reader
west silo
When Chakas stumbles upon a proto gravemind?
@versed helm
Naw when the librarian journeys to path ketina and finds the primitive forerunners
keen delta
ok so someone else mentioned the great schism here, but my noggins been joggin on the subject.
what actually caused the great schism in the first place, because halo 2 doesnt really make it clear. we are shown the changing of the guard before the arbiters mission to recover the index, we (as in the audience) know about the brutes betraying the arbiter but nobody else was around to witness this. the next we see high charity is on the mission gravemind with the master chief in the council chambers and the schism is by this point in full swing with brute, elite, and even flood controlled ships destroying each other. And also on the mission uprising happening simultaneously where its shown the brutes and elites are already fighting. so I ask why did the fighting start? did tartarus simply order this to occur? did the elites take up arms against the changing of the guard? its not really well explained as during this time we were chatting it up with gravemind.
versed helm
The schism is caused by truth, when he gives the brutes more regard than the elites
gilded mason
Truth ordered all the Brutes under his command to begin killing any Elites they could find once many of the Elite Councilors arrived at Delta's control room.
gilded mason
Which would be either right before or at the start of Gravemind
And yeah, Broken Circle goes into it
keen delta
ok
because at the changing of the guard scene things seemed shaky but still stable within the covenant, and arbiters betrayal could have easily been swept under the rug
gilded mason
At that point, things were already set in motion. Though nobody except Truth knew at that time.
keen delta
so my next question is why would truth even order this in the first place? what benefit was there to killing off the elites?
gilded mason
He hated Elites and thought they were too smart.
He wanted patsies he could order around and not question anything
unique rune
too smart for barns
gilded mason
lol
keen delta
I getcha
just seems off though since he would jeopardize his schemes for something so petty when everyone was onboard for activating the rings
gilded mason
he's a very greedy boy
keen delta
I suppose but it seems out of character for someone whos made to be extremely manipulative
versed helm
Cause, at the end, he done goofed up good
keen delta
alright ill give it a look
humble yacht
the thing about megalomaniacs is that they don't like to be challenged. at all
west silo
Truth in 3 seems entirely different from the one 2
keen delta
nodoubt because of the nature of halo 2s development
west silo
He seems more like an insane loon than a manipulative snake
keen delta
makes you wonder why he would go through the effort to head to earth on his dreadnaught when for all he knew delta halo would have been activated anyway
craggy sierra
Actually it was because Staten went on sabbatical for a lot of 3’s development and Marty decided to...”improve” the script.
By basically making it worse in every conceivable way
keen delta
I wouldnt 100% say its bad, truth was really the only character affected. also having both keyes and johnson die when they did was a good move that staten was against
craggy sierra
Miranda and the Arbiter
craggy sierra
He basically axed all of Arbiter’s role in the story and made Miranda bafflingly stupid
west silo
Mirandas death is the most forced thing I have ever seen
craggy sierra
to war
keen delta
a dumb line to be sure but not against her character
west silo
And arbiter was basically made a side character
craggy sierra
No it is against her character
west silo
And johnson never really grew
craggy sierra
Cause Halo 2 Miranda is not that much of a dunce
west silo
As a character
keen delta
I dont know I seem to remember her grappling on a tentacle and nearly falling to her death in 2
west silo
Cause Halo 2 Miranda is not that much of a dunce
@craggy sierra
She did try to retrieve the index in enemy territory by herself
Without out back up
craggy sierra
Her and a full squad of marines with Johnson
keen delta
and going into the flood wall without your strongest asset
west silo
She didn't know the marines were there
craggy sierra
...she did
keen delta
chief should have went after the index
craggy sierra
Johnson literally calls out to the marines that were with them and it’s implied Arby killed them off screen before attacking Miranda and Johnson
It’s not implied like that at all
keen delta
as for arbiter I dont see how his character was affected at all infact it came to a conclusion with him killing the prophet of truth
craggy sierra
Miranda literally says in an earlier cutscene that she was taking Johnson and a group of marines to secure the icon
gilded mason
That was basically all he did.
west silo
The arbiter had no scene for himself or missions besides making one liners
craggy sierra
Yeah he was meant to have his own levels like in 2 but Marty was like “nah”
keen delta
he had perhaps the biggest scene for himself
west silo
Dude killing an old man?
That's his biggest scene?
The covenant was already dead at that point
keen delta
him getting revenge on the man who destroyed his reputation, dishonored and massacred his people is pretty significant
craggy sierra
His character feels like he has absolutely no emotional investment in Halo 3.
He doesn’t feel like he has any buildup to the conclusion of his story.
He just walks into the scene, stabs a guy, roars, and it’s off to light the ring
keen delta
thats because his build up was in the other game, and there are some little scenes sprinkled in around halo 3 commenting on truth
craggy sierra
That’s not how you write a game
keen delta
ok but he wasnt the star of the show of this game
west silo
All hail 3
humble yacht
There is no reason to be upset 
west silo
For it is perfection itself
craggy sierra
You don’t buildup a character conclusion in a previous game and then shove it off to the end of the next game and then have the entirety of the next game just not touch the character until it’s time to arbitrarily end their story.
It makes the conclusion to his story ring hollow
west silo
To be honest halo has never had the best development
craggy sierra
Cause Halo 3 just forgets that he’s meant to be invested for like 4/5s of its run time.
craggy sierra
Halo 3 wasn’t an issue of development time
It was the first Halo game to have a somewhat smooth development.
Marty just decided he didn’t like Staten’s story direction.
keen delta
yes and they had to pick up the pieces of the half finished previous game, and all with fan criticism of having a different main character than chief for half the game. and im by no means a halo 3 apologist as bungie themselves intended for halo to be a 2 game series. so they had to essentially stretch out the entire third act of their story into one full game.
west silo
So would you guys want equipment back in halo multiplayer
keen delta
yes please
west silo
Because to be honest I would like it if we got the mobility of halo 5
I honestly got into the halo thing around. Halo 4
keen delta
I would rather bring back equipment and abandon advanced movement altogether
it just doesnt feel like halo
west silo
No I pretty much want advanced mobility to stay
I cannot play the earlier games because I feel slow as hell
And I like most of the Spartan abilities
Though they do feel lackluster some times
keen delta
halo 3 could have used a higher base movement speed (which i think we got in reach) ill admit that, but part of the appeal is the marriage between moving and shooting, rather than the separation of them which is what advanced movement does.
for example being able to move at your top speed and having 360 degree awareness rather than being locked into a sprint animation, or using jumping techniques to scale obstacles rather than being locked into animations and reducing combat effectiveness. also it affects map scaling and cannot easily be removed or toned down post release as it means you need to completely redesign levels. personally I would love a game that goes back to the earlier design philosophy and improves upon it. because right now the best for the philosophy was halo 3 which IMO is far from perfect.
west silo
I get the locked in sprint thing but to be honest use that to get to where I want to be
And to honest the movement speed in 5 feels really fast
And a reason I don't like 3 is that most of the weapons in 3 feel useless in multiplayer
Its either BR or shotgun or sniper rifle
At least in 4 and 5 most of the weapons feel kinda good to use
keen delta
of course and I was actually getting to that, this is an issue that can be solved with good map making as opposed to introducing core mechanics. for example vehicles specifically like the mongoose whos only function is to go from point A to B fast (and delivering objectives) comes into play, things like gravity lifts, teleporters, man cannons are all made to get players into the areas with the most action faster so you arent just walking around aimlessly for 30+ seconds hoping to find someone.
also I do agree with your opinion of the weapons and it to is a criticism I share with 3s sandbox. however I think halo 4 and 5 had the opposite problem where the weapons were too effective. and with the halo sandbox a balance needs to be maintained.
west silo
Well to be honest in 3 the balance never really existed either
keen delta
thats what im saying
west silo
of course and I was actually getting to that, this is an issue that can be solved with good map making as opposed to introducing core mechanics. for example vehicles specifically like the mongoose whos only function is to go from point A to B fast (and delivering objectives) comes into play, things like gravity lifts, teleporters, man cannons are all made to get players into the areas with the most action faster so you arent just walking around aimlessly for 30+ seconds hoping to find someone.
also I do agree with your opinion of the weapons and it to is a criticism I share with 3s sandbox. however I think halo 4 and 5 had the opposite problem where the weapons were too effective. and with the halo sandbox a balance needs to be maintained.
@keen delta
This kinda sets up problems where it can make players create killzones and traps at these points which wouldn't make the game very fun
It's basically if someone knew where your teams spawn was
But this time its everyone knows where your going to go
keen delta
thats why you have multiple paths
for instance, take the map avalanche say its BTB flags or whatever. you have several means of gaining entrance to the enemy base, and on defense its hard to cover all of them without neglecting others. for instance any of the hornets, warthogs and mongeese can easily rush into the enemy base and even launch yourself in via the man cannon) but this frontal assault could be countered with power weapons or opposing vehicles and the enemy team falling back to defend since vehicles have to go around the entire map. alternatively you could attempt to gain control of the middle pathway and fight into the enemies 2nd floor path, but like a vehicle rush this can be countered if you dont have enough friendlies to make the push. or you could be cheeky and use the enemies teleporter at the rocket spawn (and potentially get said rocket launcher) and enter through the back door of their base and back out again with the flag to an awaiting vehicle
what you do really depends on what your team and the enemy team are doing at the time, they cant be everywhere at once
west silo
Isn't that being hard on the defenders like 7 different paths?
keen delta
halo maps tend to be more offensively based, also this is a multi objective map so they are trying to steal/bomb your flag too
west silo
so warzone but without Spartan abilities and sprint?
keen delta
I have limited experience with warzone
But from what I remember you could spawn in your own weapons and vehicles
Which is not the case for these games
west silo
Only at a certain point in game
And its not permanent as in if you lose it someone else can pick it up
keen delta
Of course
west silo
And the weapons suck if you don't know how to use them
keen delta
That's no different than any halo game, if you can't use the sniper well it doesn't matter if you know where they spawn on every map
lilac hare
Ok
fair hazel
halo lore guys
lilac hare
In depth breakdown
west silo
Basically just named themselves that
stiff creek
The Banished aren't exactly "banished" so to speak.
The original group pretty much releaved themselves of Covenant authority, but many of it's newer members joined after the dissolution of the Covenant, so the reasons of joining are varied.
Some just get paid for being there, like Let Volir, and others joined so they could continue fighting, seeing as they wouldn't be good for anything else, and I'd like to think most Jiralhanae joined to bring pride back to their race.
dusty copper
Question why is the armor of the ODSTs different i mean it has a look in halo 2 then changes on 3 what’s the lore for this?
vague scroll
there are different in universe ODST armor sets
gilded mason
Just different equipment
dusty copper
K thanks
cedar surge
All unsc armor is xanon
obsidian thistle
Actually
cedar surge
Yea the halo 2 one looks pretty different
obsidian thistle
The Mk. 117 may not refer to the model in ODST and H3
cedar surge
117?
obsidian thistle
It could just be a thing we dont know the meaning off on the chest piece
Regardless the cosplay guide doesnt even mention it
dusty copper
Is it too heavy or something?
dusty copper
Okay
obsidian thistle
Without augmentations the armor will kill the person.
gilded mason
Yeh
dusty copper
K
obsidian thistle
SPI atm is the closest we have to armor the public can wear
dusty copper
Okay
obsidian thistle
And that armor platform (despite a few disliking this) can use Mjolnir-like stuff
Even being able to use the Buccaneer helmet from Halo 5.
keen delta
without augmentation mjolnir will turn the wearer into human spaghetti
dusty copper
Okay
Maybe last question
What are the previous suits of mjolnir I know five and six but what were the ones before
And I know 7
keen delta
IV looks similar to V however it lacks energy shields as it was made prior to the human covenant war
dusty copper
K
keen delta
I-III are prototypes that look more along the scale of mechs than the power armor we are used to
dusty copper
Okay
keen delta
the youtuber installation 00 has lore breakdowns of each of the suits
dusty copper
Can you link the video/channel
dusty copper
K
obsidian thistle
Oh his breakdowns there... erm add a lotta accidental fanon... and irl stuff that isnt canon.
faint stone
we know that there were odst before regrets slipspace jump in nb
but just after the scarab got yeeted alpha 9 and the other odsts were preparing to drop so there is probably different uniforms and equipment
stiff creek
There are. In Halo Wars 2 both styles coexist just fine.
cedar surge
Maybe in imfimote we could actually see other classes in action Cept for the infinity and stridents
Why would they make these new shops and not use em
Actually in Spartan assault they did
Would have the elites rebelled anyway even if truth didn't order their deaths?
gilded mason
Eventually. There was growing support for humans among them
gilded mason
Well. "Rebelled" is a strong word
I imagine the councilors would've evntually just went "Okay, Hierarchs, we gotta talk..."
terse lava
Yea, at worst, i think Truth and co would be forced to step down
gilded mason
Yeah
terse lava
The sangheili as a people could likely tolerate the stain of losing Regret. It was being demoted from what the Writ itself assigned them that hit hard
Being replaced by jiralhanae was just salt
karmic hemlock
probably more than you think. an honor-bound warrior race, having served their religious leaders for a long d*m time, suddenly replaced by literal berserkers? i think of it like the clans from battletech - honor and loyalty defines them
terse lava
Yeah, their literal purpose was to be the escorts of the san shyuum
karmic hemlock
a slap in the face like that would be astounding
terse lava
I think, had they kept the honor guard role at least, things would be better. Perhaps a time of penance
Being temporary demoted
Because I mean, in 3400 years surely Regret wasnt the only one to perish
karmic hemlock
true. but we're also talking about the idiot prophets. i think that if humanity had been approached like another client race things might have gone different
or, maybe not
humans are stupid like that
terse lava
Sending jiralhanae to peace talks was a mistake too
cedar surge
I mean imagine the amount of prophets the unsc killed
terse lava
Not many
cedar surge
So they would have failed quite a few times
terse lava
There is also that old chestnut humans wouldn't tolerate being in the Covenant
karmic hemlock
they sent brutes to a peace talk?!
terse lava
Technically only Regret did. He claimed they were "other witnesses" when he originally told the Minister of Fortitude(pre-Truth) about thr supposed large forerunner relic cache on harvest.
Fortitude at first though sangheili had been sent, and showed shock and horror with that idea, as.he saw it creating a massive imbalance in power
karmic hemlock
...i really need more context about the whole schism. were the prophets trying to stir crap up?
west silo
Well only mercy and truth
karmic hemlock
well, yeah. they were also the kooks who decided to cancel humanity
terse lava
Ehh...not really no. As the war progressed Truth saw faults open up within sangheili society. Questioning the war mostly
karmic hemlock
as any being with common sense should
under different circumstances i imagine humans and sangheili would have been great allies
west silo
The elites were gaining more power and becoming questioning about the war with humanity
But mostly because San shyuum are power hungry freaks
karmic hemlock
this is true
terse lava
Truth assumed the sangheili would be too stunned to really fight back. He underestimated how fast they recovered from the betrayal and the staining of their leadership
Fun fact
karmic hemlock
HAH!
west silo
Remember the reason the war began is because they didn't want to lose there seats of power
terse lava
Ripa 'Moramee, the Halo Wars arbiter, was sent in a mission to take out a growing sangheili faction who disagreed with the new Hierarcha the time
cedar surge
The collapse of the religion yea
And he tried to start a rebellion right?
And failed
terse lava
He was trying to secure the Covenant
west silo
Especially since they had just finished backstabbing the ones who were in power before them
cedar surge
Where does the backstabbing end
terse lava
And yes Ripa was jailed for a failed coup against his kaidon
More so for the failure of it
karmic hemlock
absolute power corrupts absolutely is the adage im thinking of for the prophets
cedar surge
Your writing a story right?
karmic hemlock
trying to
terse lava
True, it was something a pre-Covenant hierarch pointed out himself
cedar surge
Confusing?
karmic hemlock
very
west silo
Eh San shyuum have been known to be good manipulators
terse lava
He saw the hierarchs as being corrupt, when they were suppose to lead the faithful to the Journey
cedar surge
Well that's what happens when half of its life the creators actively hated the EU
west silo
Even guilty spark pointed it out
cedar surge
Doesn't guilty spark know about the ancient Shan shyum?
terse lava
He does
karmic hemlock
eh
memories were locked away until after
i think
my knowledge is still spotty
west silo
Well he probably had a encyclopedia
cedar surge
Clicking through random halopedia articles helps
So how much did the hepatic leader actually know?
cedar surge
Geratic leader
west silo
Its still funny that guilty spark could have saved the POA if he had just done something
terse lava
He knew the journey was a lie and then promise of salvation false
cedar surge
The elite in halo 2 at the gas station
karmic hemlock
guilty spark was also nuttier than a fruit cake
terse lava
True
harsh skiff
how does the ground pound work canonically speaking?
terse lava
Really though things would have gone bettering Mendicant bias had chosen his words better
pliant agate
Thruster pack boosts you into the ground maybe?
viral apex
what is the cheifs estimated kill count and how are there still grunts alaive
pliant agate
West I feel like that’s a YouTube video
harsh skiff
since the ground pound can one shot on a direct hit due to Newtons third law it should kill you if not break your arms
pliant agate
Well that can be explained by the Spartans augmentations
karmic hemlock
isaac newton is the deadliest son of a b**** in space
viral apex
ok simple question
terse lava
Unless you're a reaper
pliant agate
Lol yea
west silo
2 million on low end
harsh skiff
just count the enemies in every halo campaign and that is the kill count
west silo
since the ground pound can one shot on a direct hit due to Newtons third law it should kill you if not break your arms
@harsh skiff
Unbreakable bones son
harsh skiff
books arnt canon just like halo 5
viral apex
why do grunts kill themsleves in every game, you would think that with evolution their brains would grow to not suicide themselves
west silo
What
why do grunts kill themsleves in every game, you would think that with evolution their brains would grow to not suicide themselves
@viral apex
Better than being a slave I guess
viral apex
halo 5 was terrible
they had females in the main campagin
spartans should only be males
cedar surge
Oh
harsh skiff
i think halo 5 would have been better if locke killed chief in their fight scene
west silo
Halo always had female Spartans
viral apex
that fight scene was in real speed, fun fact
cedar surge
Yea female Spartans have been around before even CE
karmic hemlock
oh for gods sake you moderator bot
harsh skiff
cheif couldnt dodge lockes knee shots that were moving at 0.1mph
viral apex
people only want to play vidoe games
cedar surge
Why wouldn't he George?
viral apex
so keep female spartans out of vidoegames
cedar surge
Misogyny I see
versed helm
are you brain dead @viral apex
karmic hemlock
as i was trying to say before the stupid mod bot silenced me, gender doesnt matter for spartans since they are all effectively castrated, zero libido
harsh skiff
in the fight scene lock beats up chief with 2 knee shots to the stomach and he just sat there and took it like there was nothing he could do about it
cedar surge
Read a book? Heck we had female Spartans since reach in games
harsh skiff
as i was trying to say before the stupid mod bot silenced me, gender doesnt matter for spartans since they are all effectively castrated, zero libido
@karmic hemlock so cheif doesnt have a pee pee
pliant agate
I think it’s been established that the Halo 5 Locke vs Chief fight scene was not the greatest
viral apex
think about this the most stupid spartan death was Kat, a female
harsh skiff
remember when Kat got shot in the head lmao
terse lava
There have been worse deaths
harsh skiff
name one
ripe sage
You are fun at parties I bet, West
cedar surge
Carter
terse lava
Another was crushed between 2 cruisers
karmic hemlock
locke vs chief was a booze fueled nightmare and didnt happen
viral apex
he sacrificed himsewlf
echo nebula
Kat had not enabled her shields yet, having only just put on her helmet
cedar surge
Or the Spartan who got shot into space
west silo
James
terse lava
No he didnt
viral apex
how dare u say that
cedar surge
"Dare" lol
ripe sage
spartans should only be males
@viral apex
Do elaborate. I must know.
karmic hemlock
spartans are supposed to be the pinnacle of humanity, if punches arent being thrown at the speed of sound i dont believe it
ripe sage
Irrelevant.
pliant agate
Lmaooo
boreal bane
Oh dear
cedar surge
We eat Jorge actually didn't really have a impact.like a new fleet showed up seconds later
ripe sage
Ah alright
terse lava
Oh lovely
viral apex
thats just a fact
unique rune
It would appear I’ve picked a bad time to check in on this place
I really should get cracking on that copy of Mythos I borrowed.
ripe sage
Well. This woman is about to yeet you from the server
cedar surge
Man this guy really loves blaming women huh
fair hazel
Im literally eating popcorn watching this happen
terse lava
Pass some over please
pliant agate
Lol
harsh skiff
but was he wrong
echo nebula
My guess, West has been harmed by a woman recently. Possible dumped or publicly embarassed
ripe sage
Back to normal lore
spiral jewel
Stupid question: Aside from the SoF, is there any Phoenix Class Colony Ships in active service in the 2550's/2560's...
I want to say that the flagship, the UNSC Phoenix is still roaming around, but I feel like it was turned into a city at some point.
(I can't find much information on The Phoenix)
karmic hemlock
jorge was the most pointless death ive encountered. kat was one thing, she got got by a sniper, but his sacrifice was made irrelevant literally five seconds later
pliant agate
Yes I agree
terse lava
I felt nothing for Jorge
fair hazel
We dont know of any others but it's a possibility autobotking
cedar surge
Auto I think there was a few others but the only one we know is the SoF
harsh skiff
I think Kat should have died first because i dont like her because she is girl
fair hazel
has the long night of solace not been blown up, it could have probably been hijacked by the spartan-IIs for operation redflag
karmic hemlock
oh jesus
cedar surge
Are we going round two on female Spartans already?
pliant agate
There was also that one book where like 200 spartan-IIIs died on the same mission
cedar surge
No
karmic hemlock
ghosts of onyx
ripe sage
@harsh skiff do you wanna join the other guy or?
cedar surge
There was only around 40 2s
karmic hemlock
read that one, at least
echo nebula
S-III's were purpose built for suicide missions
west silo
290 actually
cedar surge
You mean the Spartan 3s@pliant agate
harsh skiff
@harsh skiff do you wanna join the other guy or?
@ripe sage or what
pliant agate
Yes
terse lava
Ugh....
native coral
lata
pliant agate
Did I type 2s?
cedar surge
Yea
karmic hemlock
oh happy days! found a reach timeline made by Halo Canon!
jolly swift
Jorge's death was supposed to be pointless
pliant agate
Wops
jolly swift
that's the point
jolly swift
Reach shouldn't have had a happy ending
cedar surge
But that guy was saying that no other Spartan aside from cat who is a woman got a pointless death
karmic hemlock
-_-
terse lava
If we.are.going for pointless deaths, really Aruther had the worst
cedar surge
Who is he?
west silo
Solomon had the worst
jolly swift
died in the Package in Halo Legends
fair hazel
both of them hoenstly had terrible deaths
terse lava
Yep, crushed between 2 cruisers
karmic hemlock
even more since legends was made canon
fair hazel
what do you mean was made?
cedar surge
Most of legends
fair hazel
It wasn't ever non canon minus odd one out
terse lava
All of it was canon aside from Odd one Out
cedar surge
Visuals are Debateable but odd one e out aint
karmic hemlock
i refuse to think of legends as anything more than high budget fanfiction
terse lava
....
karmic hemlock
epseically package
pliant agate
Speaking of canon vs non canon, is the upcoming halo live action show going to be canon?
fair hazel
Another one of these.
cedar surge
Cabbage I think so
pliant agate
Ok...
cedar surge
But I also heard its going to be its own universe
fair hazel
maybe, we'll have to have a bit more info
terse lava
I...think? At worst an "elseworld" tale
karmic hemlock
just my opinion, i know that not the case, but... really should have had more time in the oven
fair hazel
we dont know for sure yes
west silo
Ehh halo legends was overall good
pliant agate
I haven’t seen it
karmic hemlock
the package really killed it for me, couldnt get past it
jolly swift
the short about the Forerunners and the Flood was really good
terse lava
The Duel was good
west silo
But seriously changing keyes and Mirandas race because they thought it fit better doesn't really make sense
edgy plume
karmic hemlock
havent tried watching it in years
cedar surge
Heart of the mothilodian
karmic hemlock
should i give it another shot?
cedar surge
I think you should
terse lava
Yeah
jolly swift
never was big on the Duel, I'm not huge on samurai personally, but now that I've seen the Halo 2 terminals I like it more
karmic hemlock
question - as a pleb who can never find the terminals, how important to canon are they, and should i just watch them on youtube?
jolly swift
with changing Miranda and Jacob's races, honestly I don't see any reason why not to, so I'm chill with it
they provide some nice backstory
terse lava
They just enrich the current story
jolly swift
Halo 2 Anniversary is mainly about the history of the Arbiter
Halo 4 mainly retells the story of the Didact in animated form
CE Anniversary shows what Spark was up to for 100,000 years
karmic hemlock
against a backdrop of shooting the ever loving heck out of forerunner goons
played 4 on xbone, cant wait for the pc release
west silo
with changing Miranda and Jacob's races, honestly I don't see any reason why not to, so I'm chill with it
@jolly swift
So they could just as easily change Johnson's race to make it fit better too right?
karmic hemlock
never picked up 5 since i heard it was a crapshoot
west silo
Or change john
jolly swift
so in ODST there's a poster that presumably shows a bunch of locations for one corporation, and one of the locations is a village in Vermont
what the heck is going on in Vermont in 2552
west silo
Or make halsey Asian
karmic hemlock
a village in vermont? what twisty turvey happened?
jolly swift
yeah I'm not gonna comment on that topic any further, too easy for it to go down a not so great path
open falcon
Why is the queen the most powerful chess piece
Get out of here with that feminist stuff
terse lava
That is...utterly random
gilded mason
I can't tell if he's trying to joke or is being sincere with it.
terse lava
No clue
keen delta
i know im kinda late to the party but the spartan 3s main purpose seemed to me to be a gross misallocation of UNSC resources. the price for the training and augmentations and those stealth suits (which i understand are cheaper than mjolnir) are resources better spent elsewhere. though their targets were significant, I dont think wasting 2 full spartan companies on them was worth it.
our of prometheus and torpedo I think torpedo was the only significant strategic target
inner basin
Torpedo could’ve had more survivors but the UNSC was unaware of the lurking threat of 7 Covenant Naval assets in the sky. They are the main reason Beta was mostly wiped out (besides from the 2 survivors ofc)
keen delta
of course which is why i kinda give it a pass. Prometheus on the other hand seems like a waste of a target when the enemy already has an armada of 10s of thousands of ships
inner basin
Ehh. The main point of the S-III program was really to trade lives for time, so any target the UNSC/ONI thought was appropriate, the S-IIIs were sent on
Ultimately, I do think it was a waste of resources, but that’s just how things are
echo nebula
True, those 300 lives spent, and the resources spent to create them, probably did save thousands, if not tens of thousands of lives
versed helm
The S-IIIs were a kamikaze project, at the end of the day
versed helm
So is it cannon that halo 1 to reach's multiplayer is virtual training? or is that just Halo 4 and 5s multiplayer?
rain imp
Halo 4 onwards, isn't it? I thought it was once Infinity was built.
rain imp
I don't think there's lore behind those.
versed helm
was it ever explained how 4 and 5's virtual training works?
rain imp
It's a simulation room that the Spartans train in. Wargames.
versed helm
ah ok
rain imp
UNSC War Games, often shortened as War Games, is a form of UNSC combat training carried out in specialized locations. While frequently undertaken by Spartans, War Games events are also held for non-augmented personnel of the UNSC Armed Forces for inter-service training.
(from Halopedia)
War Games chambers use a combination of holographic projectors, millions of pneumatic risers, props, and simulated sensory information fed through a neural interface to generate realistic environments in which combat simulations are initiated.
Simulated training can be watched by via cameras or specialized areas spread out around the fields, and some facilities even have an AI, such as one that manages the War Games simulator on the UNSC Infinity and acts as the games' announcer. Sarah Palmer, the commander of the ship's Spartan contingent, has a low opinion of the AI.
On the UNSC Infinity, Spartans have to ensure optics are calibrated before they enter War Games simulations, using specialized Information cards.
War Games simulations sometimes introduce "balancing" to several weapons and AI units. A notable example is the M6/E Selene's Lance, where balancing adds extra recoil to the weapon.
I remember the E3 Halo 5 tour that Microsoft did using Hololens. I loved that.
That's where the lore of the InfoCards arrived.
versed helm
It never says it was newly introduced in the UNSC infinity so maybe it existed years before hand? so that could explain multiplayer for the other games
rain imp
It's never been confirmed.
versed helm
ik, Its just a theory of mine I guess
rain imp
I get that. But that's how lore gets broken. Go with what can be verified more than anything else. Otherwise we end up with lore ideas like John-117 being the IsoDidact. /shudders
I'll never forget that. :/
versed helm
Im not familiar lol, I never really kept up with halo after halo 4 (since I wasnt very fond of it)
rain imp
I actually love Halo 4. I (don't shoot me) think it's the best lore-wise out there.
versed helm
It was fun, but I didn't like the art style or level design that much
versed helm
@inner basin @echo nebula @versed helm Lucy my main gal from the og spartan-lll. One of 2 survivors. Spoiler * I love how she can’t talk cuz she s seen too much.
rain imp
She's since recovered, but only speaks under measured circumstance.
jolly swift
tbh I think the way they handled her recovery is lacking
maybe instead they had Halsey working with her the entire book (maybe as some form of penance because Halsey still feels guilty about the Spartan II's)
humble yacht
Somebody earlier complained about Jorge’s death being pointless because covenant fleet arrives seconds after....
Like, that’s the point? That’s what makes it tragic. The only silver lining is that he didn’t see his efforts go to waste in front of his eyes
(Unlike Daisy)
cedar surge
daisy saw all of the troops she saved shot down right?
tribal palm
terse lava
Daisy I actually felt bad for
cedar surge
was there any way she could have saved them?
there was still some space elevators around right
or were they all already shot down
actually how much damaage would a falling SE do?
the covenant have massive grav lifts to space right?
faint stone
yep
daisy escaped too
went back to her home
found her flash clone who was basically slowly dying hence her being in a wheelchair
and her clone gave her the old teddy bear charm which she kept
then all of a sudden meets one of her old friends whos the pelican pilot
but gets bombarded with fuel rods and she dies in vain
then chief finds her body and idk
jolly swift
Honestly the whole idea of Reach was that any death would be pointless
Jorge wasn't going to save Reach, we knew that going into it
Reach is a tragedy, it's not the same kind of story as the other games
humble yacht
Reach’s most impactful moments are when it gives you hope and then immediately takes it away
The end of Tip, the end of Long Night
Those are the moments that best encapsulate the tone of the game
jolly swift
Then at the end it gives you hope and doesn't take it away
terse lava
Would count Kat's death in a smaller way too. Taken out just feet from safety
faint stone
oh yeah
'take out the spire noble team'
'takes out sheild'
frigate just gets yeeted
kat could've survived
but nope got slapped by a needler rifle
cedar surge
well the frigate didn't need to be in punching range right next to the spire
but it would have eventually got yetted in the space battle anyway
so all three unsc ship classes were old right?
jolly swift
the UNSC wasn't producing a ton of new stuff near the end of the war I think
we were nearly extinct by that point
terse lava
More quantity over quality...though that tactic failed too
cedar surge
it worked sometimes
like how cole was ripping up covenant fleets in the outer colonies
jolly swift
the quality over quantity was the math with the Spartan II's
after that they switched for the Spartan III's
cedar surge
and with the Ivs they reach an equalibrium
jolly swift
with the II's there were only a few of them, and the III's were hopped up on drugs and made for suicide missions
cedar surge
well only really the gammas were on drugs
jolly swift
there's always an element of shadiness to the II's and III's
jolly swift
honestly the II's and III's were almost like, soft body horror
jolly swift
imagine if Six was from Gamma
humble yacht
Imagine if Isla Zane got hold of mjolnir
cedar surge
if she got mjolnir then everybody would be beat
she would have the power of a spartan x 2
would her body be adapted for the suit though
versed helm
i guess so
cedar surge
her boody was made to be as strong as the suit
versed helm
so, if she does get the suit, she'd be on par with chief, if not stronger, right?
cedar surge
but wouldn't she new crew and the machinery to keep the suit in shape?
versed helm
Where does Halo 3 ODST fit in the timeline again?
versed helm
Ok thanks
humble yacht
how so?
cedar surge
when you try your best but nothing will stop this monster?
versed helm
its like the siege of troy
and we follow a bunch of trojans trying to get stuff done
jolly swift
We know how it's going to end, we know they all have to die
humble yacht
the classic greek tragic hero is tragic because they have a personal flaw that brings about their downfall
I wouldn't say Noble Team had personal flaws
cedar surge
and the CSO would be the closest thing to the trojan horse
jolly swift
Maybe Greek isn't the one I'm thinking of
humble yacht
yeah but emile's anger didn't directly contribute to Reach being destroyed or him dying
jolly swift
Whichever kind of tragedy REALLY liked using dramatic irony
cedar surge
the smartest got headshot
the quit one dissapeared
the tough guy died in a huge explosion
carter died in a fire
and the lone wolf died alone
jolly swift
Less with the characters and more with the story overall
humble yacht
Emile's maybe because he got killed by a blade
jolly swift
We go through the whole thing knowing how it ends
versed helm
Didn’t carter die by his choice
humble yacht
yes
cedar surge
he could have set the pelican on course and jumped out
or use biofoam
to heal himself
cedar surge
the unsc can kinda bring you back from the dead
versed helm
They can?
cedar surge
linda was cliinically dead at one point i think
she got shot multiple times by plasma and once in the neck
cedar surge
carter didn't have as bad wounds
versed helm
yeah.
also, halsey gave linda dermatological steriods, right?
humble yacht
Linda had flatlined but she was put on ice before brain damage set in
versed helm
Halo CE already established that Reach was destroyed. They had to kill them in some way to make an excuse why they weren’t mentioned
humble yacht
halsey repaired her and resuscitated her
versed helm
Prequels are always doomed to have some writing mistakes
cedar surge
actually a book came before CE
versed helm
Really?
cedar surge
the Fall of Reach
versed helm
and contact harvest
that came before all of em
Then that establishes my point even more
The team was doomed from the start
and so does cole protocol, if im not wrong
jolly swift
Lance means that Fall of Reach actually released like two weeks before CE
So technically CE is a sequel lmao
cedar surge
and 343 is trying to do the same with infinite
with next to no lore and a single book coming out
snow halo
is there a lore reason as to why there weren't any ars in h2
jolly swift
I'm wondering that too
We even saw them in the same city on the same day in ODST
My money's on the trademark Parker 117 luck
cedar surge
chief felt like a new loo
dusty copper
Oh
snow halo
they should've removed the ar from odst to make it more consistent
dusty copper
Uh maybe the in amber clad didn't have any?
snow halo
but they were down on the surface and they still didn't have any
cedar surge
thats because it was for gameplay