He got fed up with the UNSC being jerks to him.
#lore-and-universe
stable flower
stiff creek
And calling him a robot.
versed helm
so he rekt em
carmine sleet
Destiny and Halo aren't in the same universe
faint stone
wait hold on
you're telling me that 2 seperate games aren't in the same universe
my god you're onto something
do you work at nasa by any chance because that intellect is rocketing
carmine sleet
Why do I detect sarcasm
faint stone
must be off the charts
halcyon remnant
:p
slender tendon
So this has always been confusing me. And I’d like other people’s input.
In Halo Wars, the Covenant are trying to gain access to a nigh unstoppable Forerunner fleet. But the controls to activate them would only respond to a humans touch. Wouldn’t that imply the controls in the ships themselves would also only work with a humans hand? And wouldn’t be able to be operated by the Covenant? So they were essential trying to get something they couldn’t even use.
cedar surge
Well the covenant does actually have ways of using them
They can use hunter worms to get inside
Or use engineers since the forerunners made them
west silo
Yeah the same way they used the keyship
A bigger question is why did regret run when only one human arrived
Would the sof really have been such a threat to a covenant destroyer
terse lava
Carrier* also I doubt he ran just because of chief. Jiralhanae in his army had rebelled and were killing sangheili.
cedar surge
Not to mention the flood
carmine sleet
They intended on reverse engineering the Forerunner ships inside the shield world so that they could make their ships even better @slender tendon
slender tendon
Ah
But I remember the prophet saying they were going to use the fleet to destroy the UNSC
But I could be mistaken
I appreciate the input dudes ^-^
carmine sleet
No problem
terse lava
The flood had nothing to do with why Regret fled earth @cedar surge
west silo
Carrier* also I doubt he ran just because of chief. Jiralhanae in his army had rebelled and were killing sangheili.
@terse lava.
Actually I meant in HW1
The spirit of fire scene
terse lava
Ah I see, misunderstanding on my part then
west silo
Yeah
But really though if the destroyer had stayed and fought it probably would have won
terse lava
Perhaps but dont forget those class of destroyers are crewed by those who have lost honor and seeks ways to get it back. Their main priority was to Regret out of there
west silo
That's true
But seriously though why are criminals piloting the ship with a prohet inside
terse lava
Because they are seeking atonement and penance. They are not full heretics
thorny kelp
west silo
It's really funny because thats what they really sound like
terse lava
Eh
west silo
Wort wort
round comet
not sure if whatever that is is allowed here.
boreal bane
@round comet it's not, please tag a moderator or the mod role for stuff like that in future. Thanks
round comet
gotcha
sharp adder
Hmm i wonder how it would have happened if they had found Acenyi humanity tech instead of forunner stuff
cedar surge
The covenant or humanity?
Because they wouldmt have recognized that it was humanity since humanity looked so different 100 thousand years ago
jolly furnace
I wonder how given it wouldn't have a genetic key allowing instant access I think and the language its computers are encrypted in would be as alien to them as Forerunner technology. I guess SMART AIs would help with that though.
west silo
I don't know press some buttons till it works
stable flower
Anyways, if I was Spark, I'd also go rampant from how the UNSC treated me.
versed helm
Anybody would.
stable flower
Ever notice how Miranda constantly interrupts him when he talks? It's hella rude.
versed helm
He's been through far more than anyone of them could even imagine
stiff creek
Spark is a good boi.
He was just bein bullied.
grave swift
You'd be cranky too if you were forced to undergo traumatizing existential horror, have your memories and very being scrubbed away, and outlive your family and friends by 100,000 years.
violet zephyr
I have frustrating question
gilded mason
Yeh?
violet zephyr
What is the difference between the MA40 in Halo Infinite and the MA37 in Halo Reach?
gilded mason
Yup. That's all we know right now
cedar surge
Unless a canon fodder or book comes out to explain it
violet zephyr
They look identical and have almost exact same functionality
gilded mason
Almost identical.
violet zephyr
All the other ones have something different about them but these two are like the exact same
cedar surge
Goes for a bunch of unsc weapons
Yea but this one is brand spanking new
So it looks like it just started production
Modularity I guess?
violet zephyr
But why would they reproduce the exact same model but with a different name?
cedar surge
This version looks the most interchangeable with different equipment
Well
Don't really know
jolly swift
it's not the exact same model
violet zephyr
The MA37 was too
cedar surge
Unsc naming systems is kinda haywire
jolly swift
it's probably just a new model with slightly better functionality
jolly swift
the UNSC has now had 8 years of relative peace to research Covenant and Forerunner technology
violet zephyr
They had concept art of its interchangeable parts and even by visual design it’s pretty obvious
jolly swift
and it's only jumped from 37 to 40, so any changes made are probably minor
cedar surge
What happened to the ones in between
Also this could just be a branch thing
The army has older ARs
violet zephyr
I just can’t see misriah producing the same model that wasn’t seen in any games since reach
I’m just hoping it’s not an excuse to bring back the old reach design for no reason
jolly swift
we haven't seen it because we usually fight as part of the Navy or Marines
cedar surge
Well the marines and army were both using different versions of the AR at the same time
jolly swift
the MA37 was used exclusively by the Army
cedar surge
So it could be possible
jolly swift
not sure why they use a different version, but they do
violet zephyr
Except for reach coincidentally
jolly swift
yes
violet zephyr
We are defending
jolly swift
maybe the MA5 and MA40 will both appear
cedar surge
So mostly the marines air force and navy we see
cedar surge
Navy
The wet navy is still under the navy
It just that they barely have actual crew
Just computer systems or drones
Like the wombats in odst
violet zephyr
I was hoping that in Infinite we see the new and old designs and Chief is using some old Assault Rifle he found that was the Reach model but when I found out it’s a “new” one. It didn’t make since
jolly swift
why not?
why wouldn't Misriah make updated versions of a successful model?
maybe the Army was stationed on Zeta Halo so we get to use Army weapons
violet zephyr
I’m just thinking that why would the manufacturer reproduce the same model years ago and not make any NOTICEABLE changes when they have made more successful ones.
cedar surge
Well the army is known for using older equipment than the marines
jolly swift
the MA37 was very succesful
violet zephyr
I can’t remember if it’s correct but I thought the MA37 was a prototype
Don’t know why
jolly swift
they are not
the MA37 and MA5 are just slight variations on the Misriah Armory assault rifle
the Navy, Marines, and Spartan Corps prefer the MA5
the Army uses the MA37
cedar surge
I wonder if the army still uses the DMR
violet zephyr
But why is Master Chief using it?
cedar surge
I mean post war the Spartan branch mainly uses it
jolly swift
I just said maybe there were Army on Zeta Halo
cedar surge
Or maybe this new model is better than the one in 4 and 5?
I mean this model seems way more customizable than the one in 4 and 5
And non Spartan friendly
violet zephyr
Halo 5s was the most customizable of what we actually saw when you think about it
jolly swift
Gameplay wise yes
violet zephyr
So in design as well
So did the Reach model
And this one is pretty much the exact same in visual design
cedar surge
Perhaps some higher up at Misriah was feeling nostalgic
violet zephyr
Hehe
jolly swift
And the MA5B, C, and D were all almost identical
cedar surge
Going by the toys the unsc is using multiple versions of their weapons
jolly swift
Which makes a lot of sense
violet zephyr
I want to disagree with that. The MA5B through D saw at least small but noticeable changes in both functionality and visual design.
It evolved you could say
A combat evolve...
versed helm
how big was the UNSC presence in Zeta Halo?
if it was big i hope we find some old UNSC bases in infinite while exploring
jolly swift
there are some slight differences
the stock on the MA40 looks more comfortable
and the muzzle break is different
violet zephyr
True
One thing that adds to my frustration of this situation is that there is a known model produced, that goes in between the MA37 and MA40. But we have never seen it, so for all I know, that’s also just another clone of the MA37
stable flower
Well there were some watchtowers and lampposts that looked of human origin seen in the demo.
jolly swift
p sure all the rings had some UNSC presence to both study them and probably make sure they don't get used
versed helm
@stable flower Ohhhh there were? i actually didn't notice it lol
well...
that answers my question, thanks
violet zephyr
There should be some cool bases to find. Just look at the tac map in the demo
stable flower
Not to mention the UNSC weapons lying around. And the conveniently place Warthog.
violet zephyr
Hehe yeah
versed helm
you know you all talking about the MA40 and MA37, i hope that we see the MA40 and a MA5E lol
both in the game
violet zephyr
MA5E?
violet zephyr
That was in Halo 5
violet zephyr
Yup
versed helm
yeah i know, but MA5E is a hyphotetical new weapon called MA5E alongside the MA40
violet zephyr
Why two new guns though?
versed helm
more variety and stuff, but i have no idea how they could make it different gameplay wise
maybe this MA5E is basically the CE assault rifle lol?
jolly swift
wait there's no smart scope right?
versed helm
i don't think so
jolly swift
good
wasn't huge on Smart Scope
it wasn't bad, it just doesn't really fit Halo's style too well IMO
violet zephyr
There are guns like the Commando that is going to have smart link
versed helm
Ohhh yeah
jolly swift
that seems more like the zoom on the BR or DMR
violet zephyr
I don’t like the optic though
It looks more like a generic si fi reflex sight and not a halo scope
I liked the M6D built in smart link scope. That was a sleek comprise
versed helm
I still have no idea why the Commando even exists lol
is it suppossed to replace the Dmr?
cedar surge
Well why wouldn't a military have a variety of guns
violet zephyr
We are getting the BR, so why Commando IKR
violet zephyr
Because it acts like it
cedar surge
The DMR is a army only weapon
violet zephyr
Duh
versed helm
then what's the point of the commando?
violet zephyr
We are talking about gameplay
versed helm
yeah
cedar surge
The commando fires vary differently than the DMR
versed helm
i mean i like the variety and lore reason but...
ehh
violet zephyr
Yeah
cedar surge
I would say it's the best out of the new weapons
violet zephyr
The commando fires vary differently than the DMR
@Dr.Lance#8076 Sure but what about it’s role?
versed helm
so...
the commando is a assault rifle but for longer range?
cedar surge
For unsc
versed helm
nevermind, i'm gonna let the game be released before i criticize a new weapon lmao
cedar surge
Well it is built by a different company
violet zephyr
GAMEPLAY
versed helm
i hope the hydra is still in through cause i love that weapon
cedar surge
Misriah didn't make it
violet zephyr
I kind of liked the idea of the Hydra, but it didn’t feel different or stand out in the sand box
cedar surge
That's the one with the mini missilees right?
cedar surge
Like a unsc needler
versed helm
yeah
violet zephyr
If it returns I hope the do something with it that makes it unique
versed helm
you know something variety and lore related that i want for infinite?
violet zephyr
Maybe some sort of quirk to it
versed helm
more species variety
violet zephyr
I think they will do that well
cedar surge
Like both versions of s species fighting the unsc?
versed helm
so halo 4/5 grunt and halo classic grunt fighting together
violet zephyr
They showcased a lot of wildlife
cedar surge
Also infinite will be a half way sandbox game
So its going to need a bunch of weapons variety
versed helm
or halo 4/5 elites fighting alongside classic elites
violet zephyr
Meh
stable flower
That explains why the weapon designations are shown.
versed helm
i do know that they are from a different xenotype right? is that the word?
cedar surge
Phenotype
versed helm
yes that
violet zephyr
Yeah
I don’t think we should have to many different enemy variations of one class because it will be like Halo 5 Warzone
versed helm
i like variety and stuff in lore, but they probably won't have this happen lol
i'm saying this cause i read halo escalation and there was a ton of variety between phenotypes and even vehicles and weapons from both the halo trilogy and reach and halo 4/5
cedar surge
What happened in halo 5 war zone?
versed helm
actually....halo wars 2 had that too
cedar surge
HW2 had a lot of variety
versed helm
yep
versed helm
which is why i'm kinda hoping for infinite to have some as well
cedar surge
They ded
versed helm
nah johnson is hiding in a cave
violet zephyr
i like variety and stuff in lore, but they probably won't have this happen lol
i'm saying this cause i read halo escalation and there was a ton of variety between phenotypes and even vehicles and weapons from both the halo trilogy and reach and halo 4/5
@versed helm Oh yeah for sure. But trying to be realistic here, it wouldn’t change much of how they behave or impact gameplay. It would just look cool (but I guess that’s what you want)
cedar surge
Well I recently read escalations
That was mostly for jackals
Most other species just stayed their 343 counterpart
Cept for brutes and skirmishers
versed helm
@violet zephyr exactly, just cool variety, small stuff
but i guess its not very resource smart for them do it idk
violet zephyr
Exactly
cedar surge
I wonder if there will be a new comic series
cedar surge
Oh right I Remeber that
violet zephyr
I hope if they decide to add different species, they make it FEEL diverse and different
cedar surge
It was when thorn was impaled by a needle round yea? And was in the swamp?
Like 343 jackals are tougher than bungies jackals?
Or 343 elites are slower but tougher?
versed helm
@violet zephyr i know what they could do...
make 343 elite designs be the heavies and the classic ones be the fast ones?
violet zephyr
Maybe
versed helm
just throwing some ideas cause these designs are canon phenotipes so...
well better use more lol
if they do its a bonus for me, if they don't its not like i'm gonna be disapointed lol
violet zephyr
Then have a lore explanation for it where the banished used scavenged armor from the Bungie era
jolly swift
Elites wearing Marine helmets
violet zephyr
Oh! What about the Banished utilizes UNSC tech and gear
violet zephyr
Outfitting wraiths with turrets and ghost with railguns
cedar surge
Atriox has a odst chestplate as armor for his stomach
violet zephyr
I didn’t notice that?
cedar surge
The banished use unsc tech
violet zephyr
In what?
cedar surge
HW2
versed helm
@violet zephyr the banished use some armor parts from the UNSC, the brutes
cedar surge
They also sacked a human city
violet zephyr
I know but give me examples
versed helm
oh ok
cedar surge
Grunts using unsc mines
versed helm
Atriox has ODST armor
cedar surge
Choppers
violet zephyr
What about the choppers are UNSC?
cedar surge
Did you know choppers were reversed engineered from a unsc farming vehicle?
By a engineer
violet zephyr
OH RIGHT! I forgot that!
cedar surge
They also use unsc guns
violet zephyr
I know I’ve seen it in firefight but when in campaign?
cedar surge
The banished just steal from everybody
versed helm
i mean they are a mercenary group and just stealing from everyone is a good idea in general when there's so much technology around the galaxy not being used lol
violet zephyr
That’s what I mean, I want to see more actual scavenged vehicles and stuff. I know in lore there might be. But in gameplay
cedar surge
Most weaponry comes from the covenant and pre covenant days but they use unsc tech too
They also use
Forerunner tech
versed helm
@violet zephyr you know how in halo 5 they had promethean soldiers use UNSC weapons and vehicles? they could use the same idea but way more widespread for the banished
violet zephyr
The scrappy looking vehicles like in Wars 2
versed helm
in gameplay like you want
violet zephyr
Yeah I saw that in the campaign
cedar surge
Well it seems they won't be scalpers anymore
violet zephyr
Unfortunately
cedar surge
It looks like the banished became a full fledged faction
They can produce standardized armor and weapons now
versed helm
can i link halopedia links here?
cedar surge
Yea
gilded mason
Yeh
violet zephyr
Probably
violet zephyr
Yeah I remember that from the logs
versed helm
i didn't read the logs so i had no idea lol
violet zephyr
What if the UNSC used scraped covenant weaponry? 😱
versed helm
i mean...they probably have experience doing that in the war and stuff lol
violet zephyr
That would make since for their position
versed helm
basically everyone is scraping from each other
violet zephyr
Yes
versed helm
except the old covenant empire
violet zephyr
That’s my scenario in infinite
It’s a post apocalyptic world
Feel free to pay me 343 I’ll be expecting check by mail
versed helm
do you think the banished has engineers [not the floating bois] but actual engineers mixing up UNSC weapons with covie weapons?
versed helm
what weapon do you think could be cool mixed?
for me its spartan laser and focus rifle
violet zephyr
Plasma rifle and flamethrower
violet zephyr
Yes
versed helm
@versed helm how would that even work?
versed helm
@violet zephyr think about this now...
plasmathrower banished vehicles, plasmathrower hunters 👀
shotgun and neddler
Hmmm.....needlers and assault rifles
violet zephyr
Yeah
cedar surge
The banished do have engineers
violet zephyr
It would be like that vehicle from Reach Evolved
cedar surge
Enslaving them actually
violet zephyr
Not those
versed helm
@cedar surge i know lol
i hope we see them in infinite
violet zephyr
Smart engineers that make crap
cedar surge
Brute scientists yea theyvdo
violet zephyr
They have those for sure
cedar surge
Brute engineers yea that too
violet zephyr
What about a scarab elephant
violet zephyr
Yes
versed helm
Not gonna happen
violet zephyr
I will
versed helm
Imagine the Kraken in gameplay randomly and not scripted and that is definitely not happening lol
or idk harvester
Blisterback condor
or just a scarab i guess
violet zephyr
What about in BTB or something
versed helm
@violet zephyr what in BTB? the scarab? the kraken? the harvester?
violet zephyr
Yeah. Like the giant sharks in battlefield
versed helm
Oh yeah that can happen
but isn't BTB like kinda small for all these big vehicles?
A warthog with a heavy needle gun
its only 8 vs 8 lol
carmine sleet
I forget. What's BTB?
Big Team Battle/8v8
violet zephyr
Huh?
versed helm
just anything with more than 16 players is good for me lol
@violet zephyr i'm hoping too for a groundwar like mode for infinite
violet zephyr
Yeah
That’s where we can have the giant vehicles in the background
like in the Halo reach campaign or Halo 3 campaign
versed helm
that would be the dream
@violet zephyr oh we were talking about the hydra before but...
could you tell what would you improve on it?
cause i think its kinda unique lol
violet zephyr
The mode or vehicle?
cedar surge
I hope infinite has big battles
Like how in The Flood there was a huge battle over the pillar of autumn between the unsc and covenant
versed helm
@violet zephyr the weapon, the hydra lol
cedar surge
I want that in gameplay
cedar surge
A unsc vehicle shooting hydra missiles?
violet zephyr
Maybe Nerf the fire rate, and give it a decrease to its range as well. Maybe also make it an anti air only tool
So it can only lock onto flying vehicles
It’s a two shot lock on weapon that feels to OP and doesn’t take much skill to figure it out
I want it to be UNIQUE
carmine sleet
If that was done to it, it'd need to have a longer range and deal more damage. Most air vehicles would avoid getting too close and stay out of range of someone using a weapon that only locks onto aircraft
And compared to the rest of the sandbox, the Hydra was already unique
versed helm
i agree but not with the air only, the uniqueness of it is that it's basically UNSC needler
carmine sleet
It functioned very differently to the Needler
violet zephyr
Yeah I changed my intentions half way but maybe keep it that way, screw it. Make it have that quirk
I want those type of quirks in the weapon design for infinite
carmine sleet
The Needler is a weapon that has projectiles that track targets without needing to lock on and needs to land seven shots to cause a supercombine explosion, the Hydra is a weapon that requires the player to lock onto a target and land two to three rounds to kill. Firing it without locking on will cause the round to fly in a single direction without locking onto anything
violet zephyr
And?...
carmine sleet
That was in response to Ratchetrex saying the Hydra was a UNSC Needler
carmine sleet
Shrug
jolly swift
Neural Physics
versed helm
The answer to everything
carmine sleet
42?
stiff creek
Blamite 42
versed helm
Neural physics........hmmmmm
jolly swift
So other than the small group on the Shield World in Halo Wars, had the Covenant encountered the Flood before Alpha Halo? Because they seemed to know what it was
versed helm
Out of all of the cities on Earth that the Devs for Halo 2 could've chosen, why Mombasa?
stiff creek
@jolly swift
The Covenant had fought the Flood a bunch of times before, yeah.
jolly swift
makes sense
but the Forerunners were a little dumb for keeping the Flood on like every installation they built
a containment breach was inevitable
stiff creek
Maybe they didn't expect their AI's to be able to get depresso
vivid rover
how come in Halo ce pc when i press tab it changes the colors of the map?
Message
jolly swift
You're changing between the classic and updated anniversary graphics
cedar surge
You know maybe putting the flood in so many places with so many chances of failure was not a good idea
astral pivot
so how come the UNSC didnt make a bunch of dummy AI for combat purpose for the Mantis mechs like i know having pilot in there is important but couldn't they had made bunch simple AI in them to reduce human life losses while piloting the mech
versed helm
🤔 they might of don’t seriously remember but maybe it’s because it’s still more expensive to create dumb AIs then it is to create Mantises
And Overlord the Forerunners were pretty stupid anyways, after all like 90% of them viewed themselves as above everything and everyone and unattainable. So figured nobody would be able to break their facility’s
That’s my guess anyways went it comes to the flood
snow halo
I have a theory that Shadows of Reach could've been the Halo 6 they wanted to do but they decided to return to their roots for Infinite
so they didn't continue the story in Infinite
west silo
So how long did it take regrets ship to reach delta halo?
humble yacht
2 weeks
west silo
Thanks
I saw something that estimated that it might have travelled like 20,000 lys because of the ring placement in warfleet.
stiff creek
Warfleet isn't the most accurate piece of information.
gilded mason
Hm? Warfleet is probably more accurate than most sources
humble yacht
When did warfleet get published?
west silo
2018?
humble yacht
That late?
gilded mason
Yeah. It's fairly recent
humble yacht
Isn’t wArfleet where the infinity’s armaments were detailed?
west silo
Yep
humble yacht
Lol, accurate my foot
west silo
10,000 missiles
humble yacht
Couldn’t even tell the difference between MACa and lasers
humble yacht
Halo 4 showed infinity having twin lasers as its forward weapons
jolly swift
did civilians know that the Elites switched sides when they glassed Africa?
west silo
Nope
gilded mason
Pretty sure it was covered up as being done by the Covenant, not by Thel's group.
west silo
They even state that it was covenant who had glassed the city
jolly swift
makes sense
west silo
With the flood
jolly swift
they don't want people to turn against Thel
he's one of their closest allies
ONI aside
gilded mason
Or they don't want people to find out there was Flood on Earth
west silo
Only really
Or they don't want people to find out there was Flood on Earth
@gilded mason
The flood form in the box isn't canon right?
gilded mason
Hm?
stiff creek
box
stiff creek
I dunno.
Maybe it's just described as a lil spooky thing, but not put into full detail.
humble yacht
Because 4 it was called a mac
@west silo I just watched the sequence
Infinity never claimed to have macs
stiff creek
It has four of em, I'm sure.
west silo
The Thursday war it has macs
@west silo I just watched the sequence
@humble yacht
The longsword gameplay sequence?
humble yacht
Thursday war was published after halo 4
stiff creek
Broadsword.
west silo
Because thats where they say it
gilded mason
Yeah, Kilo-5 talks about its forward MAC cannons
west silo
I think
gilded mason
One month beforehand, it seems
humble yacht
for some reason i saw it as 2013
but that means they were written concurrently
or depending on how fast Karen writes, she still wrote it after
Because thats where they say it
@west silo nope. In the Broadsword sequence, the only time MACs are mentioned is when the orbital stations say over the radio that their MACs are ineffective
gilded mason
Also the Halo 4 Essential Visual Guide and the Halo 4 Limited Edition lore booklet says they're MACs
humble yacht
Infinity never claims to have macs
west silo
Well it the guide for halo 4 that said it then
humble yacht
when they fire the weapons, they call them "main battery"
west silo
Aren't Mac's called batteries sometimes
cedar surge
Doesmt also the spirit of fire also calls its mac barrage batteries?
humble yacht
Aren't Mac's called batteries sometimes
Batteries can refer to any sort of weapon
anything you use to batter the enemy
cedar surge
Flame throwers?
gilded mason
Also, the level "Infinity" has Del Rio talking about MAC cannons on the ship
humble yacht
where?
cedar surge
Oh yea the infinity also has mac turrets
gilded mason
Del Rio (COM): "Forward MAC batteries - get that dang orb away from my ship! All cannons, fire at will!"
The end of the level
humble yacht
but that was referring to the mac turret chief turned on
gilded mason
I'm saying the Infinity has been referred to as having MAC cannons and them being called batteries
humble yacht
those guns are positioned on top of the hull, not on the front of the ship
humble yacht
and that also gives more credit to the lasers not being MACs, since the level Infinity shows they know how to animate MACs differently from directed energy beams
so somewhere along the line, someone messed up in continuity
gilded mason
(It was the animators for the Midnight cutscene)
humble yacht
or the subsequent writers for not paying attention to what was on screen
west silo
Well there only fired once
And aren't called lasers
Plus it's not the only time animation didn't mix well with the lore
Anyone remember the Spartan ops cutscenes with prometheans
humble yacht
it should have stayed lasers
UNSC been using MAC for generations
it's past time they upgraded their weaponry
west silo
They do have a new type of frigate thats primary weapon is a laser
Its called the anlance
It's pretty powerful but it can't go on long endurance missions because it constantly needs supplies
And it's the infinitys new escort fleet
gilded mason
lol
jolly swift
spaceships with friggin' laser beams
terse lava
Always good
stable flower
God bless the Innies. We made MACs to deal with them.
west silo
So did the unsc in invent pulse lasers before they encountered the covenant
cedar surge
Well mac blasts have looked like lasers before
Like in origions
Yea they did
The sparrowhawk which is in halo wars has built in lasers
fair hazel
was someone arguing the infinity had lasers instead of MACs?
cedar surge
Chimera I think
Since admittedly
4 did make them look like lasers
Which jas happened multiples times before
I think the most accurate representation of them in the games were a Smac shot down a corvette
We saw it for like a sevobd
dense pulsar
What are the benefits of using lasers over mac cannons?
fair hazel
it's been established plenty of times before.. MACs. \
humble yacht
What are the benefits of using lasers over mac cannons?
It really depends on what you’re shooting
But at the very least, lasers are faster
craggy sierra
Space sim games usually differentiate them by damage types where lasers will take down shielding while rounds will just punch holes through the hull. Or at least so says Elite Dangerous.
craggy sierra
Everyones shields are weaker against that
craggy sierra
coughs in 1-shotting sentinels with plasma pistols
west silo
Hey now those are the space janitors they don't counts
stable flower
Didn't Infinity use lasers in that one cutscene in Halo 4's Midnight?
gilded mason
It seemed to be an error or something
west silo
Question when in slipspace does the object move at FTL speeds?
terse lava
Believe so
west silo
So does that mean the didact survived a FTL fall
Because he did fall into the slipspace portal and end up crashing into a halo
terse lava
No, things return to normal speed once they exit
west silo
But since he was moving at FTL speeds wouldn't his momentum keep him going?
Or since he's moving at FTL speeds in slipspace wouldn't his body tear itself to pieces
fair hazel
You don't move at speeds exceeding C in slipspace...
The universe in those dimensions in a way is simply contracted, it so the distance between two points is lesser
No... infinity did not user lasers... it used its MACs...
humble yacht
The reason slipspace travel is considered FTL is because it lets you get places in less time than light could travel
But this isn’t due to the actual speed of travel. It’s like how wormholes bend space so that point A and point B overlap
cedar surge
Like folding a piece of paper
pliant agate
terse lava
More a crumpled piece of paper
west silo
Oh okay
Still though am surprised the didact didn't just get erased from existence
Since being in slipspace with a ship or certain mass does that to you
terse lava
Well he does likely have the highest class of combat skin
obsidian cloak
How am I spanning I posted it twice in general and twice here but the 1st time I posted it here you removed it And now you have removed it again
sly sierra
Is halo wars 1 really important to the halo universe like what does it have to do with halos storyline
humble yacht
HW1 is pretty standalone
It details an early conflict with the covenant and sets up some future characters and engagements
rich aspen
It’s a self contained story
Because it details the covies trying to get access to a fleet of forerunner ships
Did, did the mods just delete my post?
cedar surge
Oh yea there is also a entire flood infected planet but that's not really important
rich aspen
Ight so it’s a self contained story but without the spirit of fire the covenant would have gained access to a fleet of powerful forerunner ships to destroy the humans.
So technically it’s an important part of the human covenant war
But had halo wars not been made nothing would’ve changed
cedar surge
Technically yea
rich aspen
It’s a status quo story
cedar surge
Well bungies would have got pretty mad if wars messed with their story I think
terse lava
Not like they did much with it themselves
west silo
Hey do u guys think that the onyx sentinels are what classifies as forerunner military sentinels
cedar surge
What's the distinction?
terse lava
With how powerful they are I could see that being possible
snow halo
how do the war games work do the spartans like play games on their computers, or have their brain connect to something so it's almost like real life or do they just use bullets that won't kill them or soemthing
west silo
You> What's the distinction?
@cedar surge
The onyx sentinels are really powerful that if they were in the games you'd probably die in the first encounter
They remind me of the sentinels that protected a halo against forerunner ships by deflecting the weapons fire and the hits that did hit the ring created holes the size of the grand canyon
cedar surge
To answer your simulation question Spartans use machines to play games
I think si
There was also walk in rooms where you could start a simulation
west silo
Hmm one of the Spartan games does give us a small depiction of how the simulation looks
I think its the one with dave
snow halo
who's dave
west silo
Maybe Spartan David?
Main Spartan in spartan strike
Died on forerunner death star
And had his soul turned in to a battery
analog frigate
versed helm
You mean war games, right? Assault and Strike are those.
west silo
Oh that's what there called?
I just always called them Spartan games
Because they all start with Spartan
terse lava
We know palmer took part in an invasion style simulated game
versed helm
Aye
Assault revolved around Palmer, Davis, then Davis' death, the destruction of Draetheus V, finding its moon is a death star, the killing of Merg Vol, and getting the composer
west silo
Wait they got a composer?
versed helm
But bruh, that was the first Halo game I played, and I almost cried near the end
Yeah.
west silo
Really?
versed helm
Aye.
stiff creek
Wild.
west silo
Are u talking the odst mission simulation
versed helm
I'm pretty sure that's what it was. Either the composer, or the composed essence of Davis.
west silo
The one where the prometheans attacked earth
versed helm
No. That's Strike
In assault, it looked like a composer, but didnt behave like one, so that's why I cant remember properly
west silo
Wasn't that just a very important forerunner maguffin that just decided to bug off in the end
versed helm
Yeah. He called for help.
west silo
Like it just teleported away when the city got nuked
west silo
Yeah. He called for help.
@versed helm
Called for help I thought davis soul got turned into a battery or something and Palmer had to destroy the place
terse lava
It was his body that was being broken down to build something. Idk on his soul
stiff creek
He was calling for Palmer's help from the Spirit Realm.
terse lava
Think it was indeed stored in a furnace, but the device was indeed shutoff by Palmer
west silo
Eh its forerunner wouldn't be surprised if it took his essence
versed helm
Twas a sad ending, though.
terse lava
Think when you were an ODST squad
versed helm
Forerunner invasion of New Mombasa
west silo
Ohh yeah the retcon
versed helm
You play as an S-IV and have to do all the stuff an ODST squad did
west silo
The unsc knew about prometheans all along
west silo
It happened
versed helm
Aye. Lore wise, the events occurred during or after H3
west silo
You being there is the simulation
versed helm
Aye.
west silo
Yeah I really kinda makes u ask some questions
Did anyone on the infinity know about the prometheans before the events of halo 4?
terse lava
No
snow halo
Should I read New Blood before Bad Blood
terse lava
If they knew anything, it would have been just basic info on the flesh and blood ones
versed helm
Wait. Going by the storyline info from Strike, the first ever Promethean attacks happened on Earth during H3
ONI and UNSC had to have known about Prometheans before H4
west silo
If they knew anything, it would have been just basic info on the flesh and blood ones
@terse lava
But wouldn't the unsc at least want to make its anti forerunner stuff ship at least know about the new and dangerous forerunner stuff
ONI and UNSC had to have known about Prometheans before H4
@versed helm
Exactly
humble yacht
Wait. Going by the storyline info from Strike, the first ever Promethean attacks happened on Earth during H3
I just did a quick sweep of the level transcripts of Spartan Strike. Prometheans don’t show up until the Gamma Halo section
The only pre H4 instance of Promethean encounter I know of is Hunters in the Dark
terse lava
Technically do those truly count?
versed helm
But Strike doesn't happen after H4
Any Promethean encounters in it still do count as pre H4
west silo
Wasn't it a point in halo 4 that it was the first time the unsc has ever encountered prometheans
west silo
Oh well
So can the Master Chief like make ammo or something
Because its weird seeing chief go almost an entire game using one weapon that really shouldn't have the ammo
Like chief goes through half of 4 with just an assault rifle
He doesn't even have a pistol
gilded mason
Look at the timelines of H4 and Strike```
It must've happened right before the events of the H4 level 'Composer'.I shall re-check the timelines after I get back from my law exam
stiff creek
I just read a bit of it.
Even though they are in New Mombasa in game, nowhere does it say that Knights were involved in the battle for Mombasa.
That was just purely for simulation purposes, as in "what if they were there" thing.
And it takes place up until the Solemn Penance's slipspace jump.
And you take the place of an ODST squad called Alpha-Five during that section.
Who died from slipspace bubble.
snow halo
what happened to all the ships that were controlled by members of The Created
terse lava
The humans ones? Likely just carrying out whatever duties they now do
snow halo
ok
its never really clear in the game why everyone's trying to stop the created
are they trying to turn the galaxy into a communist empire or something
terse lava
More a dictatorship
versed helm
Imagine a less extreme version of the gavemind in digital form
snow halo
I really hope shadoes of resch will continue the story of the created
versed helm
Aye. That'd be cool
gilded mason
Considering the description says
It has been a year since the renegade artificial intelligence Cortana issued a galaxy-wide ultimatum, subjecting many worlds to martial law under the indomitable grip of her Forerunner weapons. [...] assets which may prove to be humanity’s last hope against Cortana.
I think it's probably a possibility that it will.
versed helm
I'm betting one of those assets is a fragment of Cortana from the old days. During training
west silo
She would have to be in some kind of stasis to live that long
Hmm wasn't there some box that could extend an ai life span?
But it would be better if they were dead
The ai in saints testimony was put in it in the end of the book
versed helm
From what I recall from a comic she did get divided into several fragments and I believe the one in Halo 5 is one of them. At least I really hope so, she’s one of my favourite characters anyways.
jolly swift
yeah I keep hearing that the Cortana in Halo 5 is a bunch of the fragments she split into in Halo 4 recombined
is there a source on that?
also like
Cortana seems super powerful, even before Halo 5
do we know, or have any fun theories why she's so special among smart AI?
cedar surge
she was made to hack covenant tech
the rest...
yea that was plot armor
bt other smart AI are able to do the same thing
carmine sleet
do we know, or have any fun theories why she's so special among smart AI?
She was made using the living tissue of a flashcloned brain of Dr Halsey
Smart AI are normally made using the brain of someone who recently died
jolly swift
yeah, but why is she so darn powerful?
maybe having a living brain means there's stronger neural pathways to scan or something?
carmine sleet
What do you mean by more powerful?
jolly swift
Roland wouldn't be able to dissolve himself and physically restrain a living Forerunner on his own ship
or protect a human from a nuclear bomb
Cortana's presence is almost physical
carmine sleet
That's not something Cortana can just do under normal circumstances, that's something she was able to do by manipulating the Hardlight bridge the Ur-Didact and Chief were on during the final level of Halo 4
jolly swift
my spinfoil theory is that Halsey used the Forerunner structure under Sword base to help make her
carmine sleet
That's already been debunked
jolly swift
still fun to think about
so do remaining Spartan II's and III's still serve under the navy or have they been moved to the Spartan branch?
cedar surge
3s were grandfathered into the spartan branch while the 2s got a choice if they wanted to or not
i think nnlue team is still under SpecOPCom
jolly swift
Master Chief, as usual, is still a one man military branch
do we know what's contained in that lump on top of the MA5, aside from the ammo counter that we now know is removable?
like, could you remove the lump with no adverse affects?
sharp adder
I hope the question is a, major part of infinite
round comet
you would be disappointed.
violet zephyr
Any difference between the usage of the spirit and the phantom?
sharp adder
One is u turn other is more heavily armored and hss more turents
, and only has a artificial gravity generator
jolly swift
all this has a very Hunt the Truth vibe to it
cedar surge
well they both accomplish the same role
i think the phantom can carry heavier vehicles and equipment than the spirit
and carry more troops
violet zephyr
But what use separates them?
I could never understand why the spirit and phantom were in reach unless they were used differently.
sharp adder
Phantoms can go cloak
violet zephyr
What?
sharp adder
Yeah h3 takings the 3 spires phantoms go cloak
violet zephyr
On the covenant mission?
I never remembered that and can’t find any research on it?
And you mean active camo?
sharp adder
Yes but on a phantom
violet zephyr
I don’t think they can do that
My main question still is do the covenant use the spirit and phantom differently?
sharp adder
Yes they can when cheuf arbiter take the 3 spires to take down the sheild on the ark which after you take it the flood appears in high charity
violet zephyr
Can you send me a screenshot or video?
I’m not convinced, and I feel like your getting a glitch mixed up with canon.
sharp adder
Sure i will in the morning when I wake up
violet zephyr
Ok
jolly swift
it's also possible that it's not widespread
maybe the swords of sangheilios modified theirs
wait that's actually exactly it apparently lmao
makes sense as they were smaller in number
violet zephyr
Never mind I found what he is talking about
In the covenant mission oh Halo 3
But still I want to know if the covenant uses the phantom and spirit differently?
cedar surge
"A uniquely stable contragravity system is fitted onto the dropship, which can adapt to a wide range of load profiles without any apparent compensation delays or loss of efficacy.[1] The hull of the Spirit is unexpectedly robust and the pilots are well protected in the dropship's aft cockpit. A Spirit is more likely to survive combat zones that would be considered suicidal for the somewhat more fragile Phantom.["
sharp adder
I think they do pirts are used i think more in light troop transport mabey im not sure
violet zephyr
That’s what I thought too
cedar surge
turns out spirits are the tougher transport
violet zephyr
I’m too lazy to look. But did the spirit get phased out? I never see it used in the later games
jolly swift
newer models are being phased in
sharp adder
I think they are in h4 i think and 5 there slower but tougher
jolly swift
or maybe splinter factions are using old models
having them serve different roles is a neat idea
cedar surge
It was favored by the Covenant for its armor's resilience in numerous environmental conditions. Due to these beneficial factors, the Type-44 Phantom became one of the most significant vehicles deployed by the Covenant during assaults or occupations of hostile sites.[1] In the last year of the Human-Covenant War it was supplanted by a newer model, the Type-52 though many Covenant troops never used the newer model. Currently, the Type-44 Phantom is the most common version of the Phantom. Jul 'Mdama's Covenant used the Type-44 as their primary dropship, due to the scarcity of the T-52 after High Charity's destruction.[3] The Type-44 Phantom's payload capacity is similar to that of the Type-52. The Type-44 can transport twenty to thirty soldiers, as well as at least two Type-26 Banshees or Type-32 Ghosts, or just one Type-26 Wraith.[4] Despite the strength of its armor, the UNSC's G79H-TC Pelican was capable of besting a Type-44 Phantom in combat
violet zephyr
That’s what I thought
jolly swift
Pelican beats everything
sharp adder
Especially halo 4 asult pelican
jolly swift
Pelicans in MP and they function like troop transports in OG BF2
violet zephyr
LOL, a pelican can beat a phantom but be blown up by two banshees in ODST
sharp adder
LOL, a pelican can beat a phantom but be blown up by two banshees in ODST
@violet zephyr phantoms don't have fuel rods
violet zephyr
Halo 4 brought it more justice
jolly swift
theory: Six survived, managed to steal a banshee and get aboard the Autumn, where he ditched his Mjolnir and helped the Marines under the name Chips Dubbo
cedar surge
is it seriously a diss on the pelican because a dropship can't destroy two fighters?
jolly swift
he then later escaped the ring under the name Dustin Echoes
jolly swift
he now serves as god emperor to a colony of Unggoy because he feels bad for killing so many of them
violet zephyr
Naw
round comet
i am dustin echoe's alter ego
jolly swift
unless
sharp adder
Hail Dubbos
jolly swift
is the Rookie Dustin or Chips?
violet zephyr
How about Johnson?
sharp adder
I cried
jolly swift
that's what ONI wants you to think
if Dustin Echoes can survive the destruction of Alpha Halo he can survive... whatever kills him in New Blood
sharp adder
Rookie is mute in rainbow siege they both never speak
violet zephyr
Well if it was classified. Then Rookie was always an Orion
Mute in R6 is a big mouth actually
jolly swift
Johnson survived because Death showed up and said "so sorry sir, didn't know it was you, see you at the heat death of the universe"
violet zephyr
But he was reincarnated into a mech
sharp adder
That makes sense or Johnson gave death the time of her life as as he knows what the ladies like
jolly swift
my favorite part of Halo 2 is how Johnson and Thel become pals so quick
Johnson musta been paying attention real good since he was prisoner during most of the Schism up to that point
sharp adder
That was great
jolly swift
and he probably remembered Arbiter from the Library and was like "hey this guy and the brute didn't get along"
also all the Elites in the Control Room who reinforce Thel just walk past Johnson
Johnson is an honorary Elite
forget Chief and Arbiter
Johnson and Arbiter is where it's at
violet zephyr
The arbiter is my favorite character
jolly swift
so, the Elites must have given Johnson and Miranda a ride home yea?
Arbiter has such a good character arc
and Halo 2 does a real good job showing similarities between him and Chief
like on the gas mine he crashes a banshee the exact way Chief did in the Maw
same shot and everything
violet zephyr
Halo 2 just has great character representation overall
jolly swift
definitely a high point in terms of characterization
violet zephyr
The best in the series for me
jolly swift
I'm not huge on characters personally, I prefer worldbuilding, but hot dog Halo 2's characters are on point
sharp adder
I can imagine while the elites were at the front of the phantom hearing Johnson and Miranda through the wallls on the other side
jolly swift
awkward car ride
sharp adder
I know
jolly swift
Rtas: "I will turn this ship around!"
Rtas is chill too
I mean he wanted to glass all of Earth but that was to stop the Flood, Arbiter just convinced him it wasn't super necessary
"Dude just glass like, the area"
huh
that's exactly like that Halo 4 terminal with the Lord of Admirals
except Rtas actually listened
it's like poetry
it rhymes
fresh laurel
Do you guys know anything about Juns whereabouts after he helps Dr Halsey into the ship
jolly swift
they get separated and Halsey winds up under Castle Base with the remains of Blue Team where she teaches them to play 20 Questions before Chief rescues them and they go back to Earth, but Jun somehow ends up back on Earth too
violet zephyr
He recruited buck
leaden minnow
Perhaps
violet zephyr
I don’t think so
fresh laurel
huh, interesting
violet zephyr
He retired
jolly swift
he's living the dream now
he got vented out into space once but he lived because Death is scared of him
violet zephyr
He also saved spartan Palmer’s butt from insurrections
jolly swift
"you shoot me in a dream you better wake up and apologize"
leaden minnow
The master chief didn’t defeat the covenant it was just an illusion
The covenant is still real
Humanity was a lie
The halo array never existed
The forerunners never killed the precursor
The precursors never seeded the galaxy
Halo is an illusion
The unngoy how the superior race
😎😎 try getting around this
versed helm
anyone know why they didn't destroy the ring in halo 2?
rapid pelican
wasnt the point them saving it
jolly swift
presumable the UNSC still has Delta Halo's Index just like, kicking around in the warehouse from Raiders
versed helm
If anything it would make sense to destroy the rings if they wanted to be extra safe
jolly swift
I guess so, but it seems like the UNSC more wants to research them
Gamma and Zeta Halo both presumably have research teams stationed there
and are (or were) under UNSC control, for all intents and purposes
versed helm
forgive me if Im mistaken (I havent played halo 2 in a few months) but wasnt the flood also free to roam on the ring? I mean the gravemind was able to grab Master Chief and take him down there
jolly swift
supposedly the Elites glassed the Flood infected part of the ring
they were mostly contained to the Library until somebody lowered the containment shield
and since they were under the control of a Gravemind, they didn't just mindlessly spread out like on Alpha Halo
they very strategically found a way to High Charity where they could spread the easiest and farthest
karmic hemlock
how important is Fred-104 to the lore of halo prior to the events of reach?
vague scroll
Fred-104's always been important to the lore? Always has been.
round comet
how important is Fred-104 to the lore of halo prior to the events of reach?
he was an important character in the sense that he was an important part of chief's spartan team.
violet zephyr
I think the question is if he didn’t exists, would anything changed?
vague scroll
if that's the question, you could say the same of the rest of the SPARTAN-IIs then because they're all pretty interchangeable aside from personality
violet zephyr
Except for 117?
vague scroll
pretty much
karmic hemlock
im just trying to get a sense of where he was during reach. have an idea and im trying to find a divergence point
stiff creek
He was testing his armor, and fighting in orbit during the Battle of Reach.
S'what we know.
Oh, wait.
Fred, not Chief.
Yeah, I dunno.
karmic hemlock
just seems theres three different canon's for reach. the only thing im aware is that john was on the autumn with the real cortana and linda was "on board" as well due to a minor case of melted face. kinda like schrodingers cat
vague scroll
Fred along with other rendezvoused Spartans for Operation: RED FLAG were tied up with the Pillar of Autumn, however, when the Covenant attack was finally publicized - he was transferred from Blue Team to Red to help with defense of the planet-side fusion generators for the Super MACs
carmine sleet
Linda isn't player 2 in Combat Evolved, Sean
vague scroll
^ Linda was clinically dead during the events of Halo CE
versed helm
So where does Fred go after Reach becomes all shiny?
jolly swift
she got better
cedar surge
and both the fall of reach and the game are canon
jolly swift
wasn't he underground with Halsey, Kelly, and Will?
vague scroll
yeah he was with Halsey's crew
versed helm
I remember he appeares in GoO, but not when he appears before that
stiff creek
Yïs
cedar surge
the real reason why the covenant was glassing humanity was to make more glasses for grunts
jolly swift
it's been a while since I read First Strike but I distinctly remember Halsey teaching a few Spartans to play 20 Questions
vague scroll
he was with Halsey the entire time from the events of Fall of Reach, through First Strike, into Ghosts of Onyx
versed helm
Ahhh
karmic hemlock
O.o
Why wasn't he with halsey when noble 6 gets the Cortana copy?
stiff creek
He was doin somethin else.
cedar surge
bungie
vague scroll
The events of Halo: Reach technically take place before the events of Halo: Fall of Reach
they overlap around the time between the missions The Package and Pillar of Autumn in Reach
cedar surge
before then to the middle
versed helm
They do. No technicalities there
vague scroll
Fred's entire story is accounted for, you can read a summarization in full on Halopedia
a better question is what happened to Jun, where did he go? That's a question that has not been answered in the lore at all and has been pushed aside by 343i because it's admittingly not important.
still, something a lot of fans are interested in
cedar surge
no like how did he get off reach
versed helm
With halsey
vague scroll
he was promoted to the civilian position of SPARTAN Operations/Branch Head of Staff
versed helm
He was the escort
vague scroll
he left Halsey to do other things off screen
carmine sleet
Jun did not leave Reach with Halsey
How Jun left is unknown, but many have speculated
stiff creek
^
vague scroll
Halsey is encountered by S-II Red Team inside CASTLE Base during Fall of Reach, Jun is nowhere to be seen
stiff creek
Fred got off Reach after CE.
humble yacht
Jun did not leave reach with Halsey because if he did, he would have been on onyx
vague scroll
this is because Fall of Reach was written in 2001, Reach was released in 2010
versed helm
Ah yes. Lore gaps.
vague scroll
it's just one of those omissions that exists but we just kind of shrug at
round comet
reach bad
humble yacht
It may be a lore gap but it doesn’t overwrite or negate anything so it’s ok
vague scroll
if you want a popular interpretation, you can look to either the fan comic Halo: Fistful of Arrows, or Frank O'Connor's short twitter fiction post describing Jun climbing a space tether on Reach (which is not canon but an interesting read)
round comet
why do i start talking about how bad reach is every 10 minutes
versed helm
Idk
humble yacht
Because you think it’s edgy
cedar surge
cause thats just how you are caboose
stiff creek
because your opinion is wrong
lilac hare
Wait, I forgot why the brutes took over in halo 2 or 3 i don't remember
jolly swift
because they were more blindly obedient
humble yacht
Because regret died
jolly swift
that's the reason Truth used as an excuse
cedar surge
cause truth saw brutes as more loayal than elites and more believeing in the religion
stiff creek
Because they dumb
cedar surge
maybe just
jolly swift
they'd follow him blindly
cedar surge
perhaps
vague scroll
not dumb, reliable
stiff creek
Both
vague scroll
fair