#lore-and-universe

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round comet
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yeah.

humble yacht
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I left destiny after one entry postums

cedar surge
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so this is 343's last chance with the community huh

humble yacht
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Not the community, no

round comet
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I left destiny after one entry postums

just one?

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wow

faint stone
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destiny has gotten better

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^

humble yacht
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Well destiny only has two entries so

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šŸ˜›

round comet
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so this is 343's last chance with the community huh

the community will be h a p p y though?

faint stone
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what you played vanilla y1 destiny

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and just stopped

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don't rlly blame u

humble yacht
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I count all of D1 as one entry

faint stone
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but once taken king dropped that basically sorted it

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yeah no

humble yacht
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Yea yea

faint stone
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rn they're just releasing expansions to it

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like what blizzard does with WoW

round comet
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  1. cortana gets this little redemption arc which is only a tiny portion of the game

  2. the flood get revealed halfway through.

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halo fans, will be happy.

cedar surge
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i really hope thats its not 2

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but they probably will

faint stone
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cortana should just die

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be redeemed and die

round comet
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no.

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no redemption.

cedar surge
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and people like xperia will call 343 a genius for that

faint stone
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because chief will be all sadchief

humble yacht
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She should not be redeemed and she should remain alive

cedar surge
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cortana just die

humble yacht
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Maybe lock her up somehow

cedar surge
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should she get the MB treatment?

humble yacht
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No

faint stone
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ah

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i know guys

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we hit up sadie and vergil

cedar surge
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no

faint stone
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to harvest cortana out of the domain

cedar surge
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don't cure her rampancy

round comet
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She should not be redeemed and she should remain alive

idk, id prefer if she stays the antagonist and her arc ends with her dying.

humble yacht
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But she already died

cedar surge
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the original cortana is dead

round comet
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no redemption, not aliveness.

humble yacht
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That would be old hat

cedar surge
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gonzo

faint stone
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and came back...

cedar surge
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no thats not really her long

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its a ramppant fragment

humble yacht
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If she stuck around it would be a different result and could open potential new avenues in the future

faint stone
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so why keep her alive?

round comet
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the original cortana is dead

and came back from the dead.

faint stone
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and lock her up

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just freaking kill her lmfao

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what??

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'er no that's not her'

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'but don't kill her lol ahaha'

round comet
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it is her,

faint stone
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what

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???

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makes no sense lol

humble yacht
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What if she was imprisoned but her immortality made her unkillable, so she’s just locked up with nowhere to go but the UNSC wants to probe her for info about the domain

cedar surge
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caboose rampant fragment

faint stone
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we're hitting smooth brain levels never before hit

humble yacht
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And then there’s this dynamic of whether she’ll give answers or plot her escape

round comet
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caboose rampant fragment

no?

faint stone
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there's literally a short comic of her encountering the warden when she found her way into the domain

round comet
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What if she was imprisoned but her immortality made her unkillable, so she’s just locked up with nowhere to go but the UNSC wants to probe her for info about the domain

i guess i forgot about the immortality part.

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and her fragments reformed into a whole although thats not confirmed as in outright said, it was implied and makes the most sense.

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so no, it is the same cortana however different she may feel.

humble yacht
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What if they moved her matrix to the Eye of Odin

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So she can’t send or receive any signals

round comet
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whats the eye of odin again?

humble yacht
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The most secure room in the galaxy

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A faraday cage built into the UNSC Point of No Return

round comet
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wait, i should check this out.

carmine sleet
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Any faraday cage would do to prevent her from getting signals out really, it just happens the Eye of Odin is the most secure

faint stone
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bruh

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all i want is serena back 😢

carmine sleet
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Serina died

humble yacht
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That’s not happening

faint stone
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ik

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😢

humble yacht
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If you want Serena back, play HW2 mp

faint stone
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i have

round comet
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okay, i read the halopedia page for Odin's eye and yeahhhh i guess thats one way to keep her contained.

humble yacht
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I kind of want to see a future where the created are defeated but cortana survives and is contained

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And then Chief has to visit her in containment because a new threat showed up and she’s the only one with potential answers

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But she’s still antagonistic and can’t be trusted

round comet
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that sounds, interesting.

humble yacht
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Like Batman visiting the joker in Arkham or something

carmine sleet
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AI Hannibal Lecter

round comet
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yeah i gotcha.

humble yacht
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Yea!

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AI Hannibal lector

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Love it

round comet
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it fits almost perfectly.

humble yacht
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ā€œI ate his matrix with some fava beans and a nice Chiantiā€

round comet
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livers be yummy and so do matrixes.

humble yacht
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I guess the real question is how you would get her the fava beans

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Compose them?

round comet
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i guess but would Odin's eye lock out the domain as well?

cedar surge
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whats odins eye

round comet
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apparently a faraday cage with the utmost security.

limber girder
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i love halo halo 3 is the best

round comet
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uh, okay.

humble yacht
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i guess but would Odin's eye lock out the domain as well?
You could compose the beans, store them on a physical forerunner device, and then bring that device into the cage

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And then plug it into Cortana’s terminal

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The boom! She’s in bean city

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Storing her on the point of no return would have added benefit of keeping her prison constantly moving and cloaked

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Which would be appropriate given how dangerous she could be if released

round comet
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makes sense, i guess thats the only way it can be done.

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unless they introduce something else in infinite of course.

cedar surge
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where would they keep her

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other side of the galaxy?

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has anyone actually got that far?

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so the galaxy was about to cool down before the created showed up right?

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actually

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it lookslike it was about to blow up in everybodies faces

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for the unsc and SoS the banished was getting big and the innies were geeting to be a massive problem for the unsc

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and civil war wasprobably going to start if not for the created

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would have the unsc lost this civil war?

hard epoch
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idk

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im not to smart at all the halo stuff but i think they prolly wouldve lost right?

cedar surge
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i think the unsc would have won

round comet
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would have the unsc lost this civil war?

would they have lost the war with the innies back in the early 26th century

cedar surge
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they have hundreds to maybe a thousand spartan IVs

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and new weapons and technology

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while the innies are still using outdated tech

round comet
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yeah, spartans will play a big role, new tech etc etc i can see them winning

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but then idk if there would be a civil war in the first place

cedar surge
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well the innies were getting bold

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and the outer colonies (what was left) was getting real fed up with the UEG

humble yacht
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Imagine if Isla Zane came back with MJOLNIR armor

noble sedge
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So... since a lot of corporations stationed in Outer Colonies have some sort of military/paramilitary forces... does that mean that Halo's aquivilent of Bethesda/EA/Activision/Tencent/ect. has it too?

carmine sleet
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I don't think publishers for games are going about with private militaries within the Halo universe

humble yacht
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The real military was the gamers they made along the way

carmine sleet
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I feel like that could have dark connotations

cedar surge
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if you don't pay for the new dlc in under 24 hours they will swat you with their private sector spartans

humble yacht
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Nah more like

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Their m games are actually secret training programs to turn their customers into their private army

cedar surge
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he disney revolution is all but a matter of time

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you think disney survied 500 years?

humble yacht
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I’m sure his head is in a jar somewhere

round comet
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yeah no idk if any of these mega corpos would survive

orchid prism
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Disney is evil

stiff creek
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Walmart.

cedar surge
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the covenant secretly was destroying humanity because they hated disney so much

orchid prism
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@cedar surge facts bruh

cedar surge
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and they showed the sanghelli shan shyum war being stopped by a elite princess who susupiciously kinda looks like a human

orchid prism
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Hehe

cedar surge
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man imagine the profit disney could make off of that

round comet
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"I really hope it ends up being the logic plague that made Cortana rampant. I always thought it was a huge missed opportunity by saying Cortana was rampant solely due to aging and not because she was corrupted by the Gravemind."

found this on reddit AND LMAO.

cedar surge
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ah yes

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because we can't have a single good story without the flood

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nope

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gotta be them

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not like they havn't been relevant for years

orchid prism
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Ok, so about the origin of flood, when and where exactly was flood FIRST mentioned or appeared in the lore?

cedar surge
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the flood first appeared in CE

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the flood are corrupted precursors

orchid prism
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I know they were in CE, but were they mentioned anywhere before the events of CE?

cedar surge
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ni

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before CE there was only FoR

orchid prism
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Okay

humble yacht
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Technically the events of the forerunner trilogy take place way before CE

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But those novels were published way after CE released

orchid prism
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I see

faint stone
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the first humans after the halo rings were fired to encounter the flood were the spirit of fire crew

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the covenant had knowledge of the flood prior to that iirc

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so maybe they found out about the flood from 2nd hand knowledge ie forerunner terminals or encountered them on a shield world similar to the one in halo wars which was overrun with the flood

cedar surge
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humanity encountered the flood technically during halo wars but the unsc as a whole found out about the flood during CE

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the SoF disappeared so it couldn't share the info

faint stone
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yeh

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SoF are the most experienced to deal with them

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since they're also dealing with the high charity flood on the ark

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who've mutated because why not

humble yacht
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we don't know if SoF contributed at all to beating back the 2nd outbreak on the ark

cedar surge
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we mostly just see infected units

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so the SoF would have to know

humble yacht
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could be leftover from the 1st ark conflict

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in fact that's extremely likely

cedar surge
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didn't the only unsc frigate the FuD come to the ark during the battle?

faint stone
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yeh

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only 1 unsc frigate went to the ark

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whilst the other navel ships belonged to the elites

humble yacht
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the rest of UNSC's ships stayed behind on earth

cedar surge
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also couldn't have those been brought to the ark by the science team?

faint stone
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and no it's more likely some unsc patrols encountered the flood

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like

humble yacht
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Hood wanted to be prepared to defend against the impending flood invasion

faint stone
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they'd know if the ark has a flood outbreak

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'what's this ruckus that's going on with the banished

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'send some scouts'

humble yacht
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also couldn't have those been brought to the ark by the science team?
No because that section of the ark was already behind the sentinel wall by the time the science team arrived

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knowing about it and participating in it are two different things

faint stone
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the science team wouldn't have had a large army with them

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iirc was the portal they used on mars or earth

humble yacht
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the science team had security forces that included some mantises

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there's only one portal to the ark

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connecting earth and the ark

faint stone
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for some reason someone said there was a portal on mars...

humble yacht
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there's not

faint stone
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no clue where they got that from

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ik

cedar surge
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is it cause HC sllipspaced to the ark from there?

faint stone
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but those few mantises aren't really gonna do much against the banished carrier and their numbers lol

humble yacht
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they probably got that confused with the Gravemind creating its own slipspace route from Mars to the Ark

faint stone
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and that's only a few

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yes

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i think that's where i got it from

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i can paraphrase it slightly but it went like this

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'the gravemind was in a rush to get to the ark so found a slipspace portal from mars'

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well it was clear it wasn't a portal but instead it created one over mars

humble yacht
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it didn't make a permanent portal like the one at voi

faint stone
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yeh

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just a temp one

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probably had the same effect as the slipspace portal regret used on new mombasa

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but we know that the portal turned off randomly and comms with earth were cut off

humble yacht
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it's not like high charity was in Mar's atmosphere

faint stone
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so it's likely they had a safety protocol to shut the portal to the ark off in any case of an attack

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but also the guardians emp probably did it as well

humble yacht
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the portal was shut down the first time because the ark was damaged

faint stone
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yes

humble yacht
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eventually the ark repaired itself and the portal reopened but it got shut down again later when the Guardian attacked earth

faint stone
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but isabelle says herself that the portal randomly shut off

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yep

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and comms disabled

versed helm
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And then the banished popped in

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And everything went to heck

cedar surge
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Well not totally

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The unsc is hiding on secret planets the created don't know about

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Like rottasm

humble yacht
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The unsc is hiding on secret planets the created don't know about
yet

cedar surge
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And the one in the step inside trailer

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And at this point the unsc is exactly what some people wanted it to be

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The rebel alliance

crimson moth
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dont need no unsc, master chef pwns banish by himself

cedar surge
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Just waiting for master chief to save them

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Oh yes he does

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How many times would he have been dead or without support not being able to do anything without the unsc? They gave him tanks,warthogs,broadsword,marine and odst allies,saved him

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Chief did not solo the original trilogy

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if it wasn't for the unsc the ring in 2 would have fired

crimson moth
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well master chef AND one pilot will rekt the banish

cedar surge
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Yea I'm sure one pelican pilot sure could 1v1 a brute

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Well actually Palmer did with a chieftain but that was as a odst

crimson moth
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The pilot guy is gonna pull a carter and ram into a Scarab

craggy sierra
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I doubt it tbh

versed helm
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The inv is out of date

cedar surge
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Inv?

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Invite?

humble yacht
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don't worry about it

jolly swift
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So did Regret stumble upon Delta Halo or did he jump to it specifically?

humble yacht
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that's a good question

stable flower
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He used a Luminary IIRC

cedar surge
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Then why not just jump straight to the halo then instead of getting his fleet smacked at earth

humble yacht
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Because he went to earth to try and get personal glory

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He didn’t know humans were there

terse lava
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Would go with that. Not only would he find the locations of all the halos thanks to the luminary, but the home of the forerunners too

snow halo
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if 2 spartans frick have babies will their child be born with augmentations

gilded mason
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No.

inner basin
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That literally doesn’t make sense Valk. Likely the only thing to pass would be the genetics if it’s Spartan-IIs/IIIs we are talking about

cedar surge
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Yea some Spartan kids had some semblance of the augmentations

vague scroll
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only S-Is, technically not Spartans for that matter

cedar surge
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Some were even cocky enough to try to take the fight to the covenant using a glorified space yacht

gilded mason
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And that was apparently because they got injected with something a little bit after they were born.

obsidian thistle
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I still feel sad the only Spartan 2.1 died and got barely any development

west silo
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The girl in nightfall?

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Randals daughter

true snow
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I think a spartan II named Maria had a child and a family

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look into her

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she's cool

terse lava
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Well she had a family at least

west silo
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And is never mentioned again

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Is she ever referenced again outside of the comic

terse lava
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I am not aware of any

west silo
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Man there actually some neat story potential in it

cedar surge
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Spartan 2.1?

west silo
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Children of Spartan 2

cedar surge
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Oh

terse lava
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Mhm

west silo
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Hmmm?

versed helm
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maiden crescent
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Stop the heresy

versed helm
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halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence halo bad cuz violence

unique rune
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I should really go through the copy of Mythos I picked up from the library a couple weeks ago.
No point in letting it just... sit there...

terse lava
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Mythos is a pretty good book

midnight olive
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I still cant believe grunts are considered as arachnids.. thinkingchief they got sacks?

gilded mason
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I still cant believe grunts are considered as arachnids
That is news to me

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Where was that stated?

west silo
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I like that most halo lore guilds actually have someone in universe talking about it

midnight olive
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the halo lore encyclopaedia

west silo
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I still cant believe grunts are considered as arachnids.. thinkingchief they got sacks?
@midnight olive
I thought they were considered crabs

midnight olive
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i mean some crabs are related to arachnids

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still tho thats what bungie wrote in the encyclopaedia

unique rune
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They’re written as ā€œxeno-arthropodalā€... not arachnids.

midnight olive
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hol up lemme get my book

west silo
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Basically space crabs

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Right?

unique rune
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Ehhhh. Sorta?

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Some in-game dialogue they taste similar to crustaceans, but arthropods are an incredibly diverse group.

dense pulsar
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What if

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We were ONI the entire time

west silo
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Wait someone ate a grunt

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We were ONI the entire time
@dense pulsar
Well we are halos past so maybe

midnight olive
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" although grunts have physical traits of both reptiles and mammals, they are arthropods" @unique rune u right

dense pulsar
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Listen, one of the main goals should be to make a ODST sequel

unique rune
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Wait someone ate a grunt
I don’t think there’s any solid evidence that anyone’s actually eaten one for sure, but sometimes you can hear Marines or Soldiers say something along the lines of ā€œI hear those grunt things taste like lobsterā€.

west silo
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" although grunts have physical traits of both reptiles and mammals, they are arthropods" @unique rune u right
@midnight olive
So do grunts have b**bs?

gilded mason
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Only if it's a spiritual sequel, and we now play as a SoS squad.

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...No.

west silo
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No we absolutely need a mass effect style halo game

unique rune
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I... I don’t think I’m gonna ask for elaboration on that comparison.

versed helm
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Not an accurate comparison

west silo
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Yeah let's not start that

midnight olive
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hisjspdpi

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i cant confirm that female grunts have b**bs

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like bro I dont think anyone has seen a female grunt before

gilded mason
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They're in Legacy of Onyx. They look like the males.

west silo
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Well I think we do see one in the books

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Yep

midnight olive
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yet female elites do exist

west silo
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Well yeah that's obvious

midnight olive
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also bro halo legends, a prophet gets sniped and dies instantly yet master chief in halo 2 decided to punch the mf

dense pulsar
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That one guy in the UNSC who went to the elite homeworld once and has a thing for dinosaur women now

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Well, the one in legends didn't have his shields up

midnight olive
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ah right

dense pulsar
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Didn't expect to get shot or attacked at all

sullen moat
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Where can I find a list of all halo books in which order they should be read?

gilded mason
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Release order

sullen moat
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Thanks

midnight olive
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Are hunters considered a hive mind since theyre just a massive colony of worms?

zenith veldt
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technically yes

west silo
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Well yeah

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Each one is just hundreds of worms bonded together

midnight olive
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disg o s t a n g

sullen moat
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Theyre like a ratking but with alien worms

unique rune
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Technically they’re eels, not worms

zenith veldt
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shut up they're worms

sullen moat
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Yea theyre eels tho

zenith veldt
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worms

midnight olive
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worm eels

sullen moat
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Eel worms

west silo
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There big worms

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Wait a minute since hunters are hiveminds

zenith veldt
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big worms

sullen moat
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Thats what she said

west silo
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Why did the hunters in nightfall not react when locke killed one

sullen moat
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Plot hole

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Theyre not technically a hivemind just bonded

zenith veldt
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idk but i really didnt like nightfall

midnight olive
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yeah u right

west silo
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Its the first thing that got me when I first watched it

midnight olive
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Imagine if grunts sided with the unsc šŸ˜” we'd have cute grunt buddies

gilded mason
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There are grunts allied with the UNSC.

midnight olive
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I'm stupid

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was that shown in any of the games?

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I havent read any of the books or comics bc I'm lazy as hell

gilded mason
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Shown in books and Halo 5.

midnight olive
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ah I've never played Halo 5..

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I'm missing out

terse lava
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What the heck is going on here?

west silo
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So are ever told who the ai in mythos was talking to?

terse lava
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The Curator was simply making a record for any humans who found it

west silo
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Ohh

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So was he unsc or forerunner?

terse lava
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Human

west silo
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Wow so how did he get all that information about the forerunners

terse lava
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Through the records stored in the ark itself

west silo
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Wait was he on the Rubicon

terse lava
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Think either that or he was part of the later teams

west silo
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Because wasn't the ship fully taken over in space

terse lava
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Yep

west silo
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And what other teams
The scientists the banished encountered on the ark

terse lava
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Yea

west silo
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Hmm so was there another in universe narrator in warfleet

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Halo does have a thing with in universe narrators

terse lava
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Yep

west silo
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Who

terse lava
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Actually no I take that back, I don't belive there is one for warfleet

west silo
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Uhh

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Even the Spartan guild I had one

terse lava
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Ok?

west silo
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Not that I think about it what happened to the robot in silentium

terse lava
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Robot?

west silo
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The one that oni got the entire story from

terse lava
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It was the remains of a monitor and the fossilized remnants of a forerunner juridical

west silo
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Its basically a forerunner detective

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Ahh yep that

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Ohhh so its long dead

terse lava
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Yep

jolly swift
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So wait

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ODST shows the Brutes killing the Elites right after Regret's fleet left

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But the Great Schism didn't happen for about two weeks

terse lava
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Yes, they had orders from Truth to do that

gilded mason
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Truth began the genocide before Regret even left Earth.

terse lava
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Yep

gilded mason
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(Probably one reason why he "bugged out")

terse lava
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That's my theory too

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He wasnt afraid of chief, he was afraid of the jiralhanae

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Also notice, no jiralhanae in his forces at delta

jolly swift
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Also I just noticed that Chief seems to show proper stance for fighting with an Energy Sword

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Wonder if it's something he picked up from fighting Elites for 25 odd years

terse lava
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Perhaps

west silo
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Well he is a solider

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He been trained with a lot of weopeans

terse lava
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Yep

west silo
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I wonder though was the elite that chief fought more skilled than a silent shadow

cedar surge
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Which elite?

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He fought a lot of them

west silo
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Because the first time he fought them it didn't end well for them

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Legends

terse lava
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That was Thel 'Lodamee

cedar surge
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The anime duel one?

terse lava
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He was a major

west silo
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Wait really

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And he nearly beat the chief

terse lava
#

Yes?

west silo
#

Possibly could have killed him

terse lava
#

Well he was about too before the warning sirens caught him off guard

west silo
#

Does the events of the package take place before silent storm

terse lava
#

No

gilded mason
#

No. The Package is around 2544 or so

west silo
#

Soo chief in teens beat an entire team of silent shadows but nearly lost to a major in his 30s?

terse lava
#

He did have back up when facing the Shadows

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He fought Thel alone

west silo
#

That wasn't thel

gilded mason
#

...That was Thel.

terse lava
#

Uh yeah...it was

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Literally too

west silo
#

It was?

versed helm
#

Yes

gilded mason
#

That was Thel 'Lodamee

west silo
#

Ohhhhhh

terse lava
#

Thel 'Lodamee was originally supposed to be Thel 'Vadamee

west silo
#

Come one

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You guys had me there

gilded mason
#

Uh

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You had yourself

terse lava
#

But as Vadamee was already a zealot they had to
Change it

gilded mason
#

We had no intention of trickery

west silo
#

Sure

terse lava
#

sigh

#

One moment

gilded mason
#

We were upfront that it was Thel 'Lodamee to begin with

west silo
#

I believe u guys

versed helm
#

ugh

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It’s cool

terse lava
#

Read

west silo
#

We were upfront that it was Thel 'Lodamee to begin with
@gilded mason
I just thought u guys meant the arbiter

versed helm
#

Sorry if I seemed mean

west silo
#

That's why I was like what

#

Because arbiter was of a higher rank

versed helm
#

People tended to get them mixed up sometimes

west silo
#

Yeah

terse lava
#

Well blame the guys who made the story

versed helm
#

Ye

terse lava
#

They were not aware of the Cole Protocol book

versed helm
#

Got that right

west silo
#

So it is arbiter?

terse lava
#

Hm?

#

Here this will clear it up

#

Lodamee's very existence is a matter of retroactive continuity. The Major in "The Package" was originally intended to beĀ Thel 'Vadamee, the future Arbiter, as foreshadowed by 'Taralumee's final line. However,Ā Halo: The Cole ProtocolĀ (released a year beforeĀ Halo Legends) had previously established that 'Vadamee's first encounter with a Spartan was inĀ 2535, at which time he was already aĀ Zealot. To add to this, the manner in which 'Lodamee is foreshadowed to become the Arbiter is inconsistent with the manner in which 'Vadamee was anointed into the role. Th

versed helm
#

HOLEY?!

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Did not expect that........

west silo
#

Okay

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That clears it up

versed helm
#

Welp imma go bye

terse lava
#

Bye

west silo
#

Bye

nimble crest
#

Bye

astral pivot
#

So does anyone mind explaining whos smart idea was it during tip of the Spear to just send the UNSC army on ground with giant warthog rush across a plateau into covenant staging ground? Like did they have no plan to attack besides all rush in

round comet
#

uh well you see

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thats uh halo reach

#

which is uh awful

west silo
#

Uhhh explosions cool

#

No but really they only sent mangooses and warthhogs

astral pivot
#

They got clapped as soon as the Banshee rush came in

west silo
#

With only a few falcans

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On there most secured military stronghold

astral pivot
#

Still find it hard believe Covenant lost a super carrier to such a stupid plan the UNSC had, like the corvette was attacked and boarded and coms jammed and they allowed it land on there ship it makes no sense

west silo
#

It was extremely suspicious too

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And it not like the covenant is that dumb

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Well aside from traviss covenant that is

astral pivot
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the super carrier didnt even help at all they didnt even send ships go help it out they just let them have a 1v1 with the savannah

round comet
#

the amount of plot holes reach has could kill an elephant.

#

šŸ™ƒ

cedar surge
#

Also that attack group was a distraction for the real battlegroup you see fighting the covenant in the background

#

Also it didn't get clapped

#

Its just some warthog got destroyed

versed helm
#

It was a fun thing to watch, though. Like, that one warthog charging into the fray

west silo
#

Weren't a bunch of warthogs air dropped in

cedar surge
#

I think so but not sure

west silo
#

Because the others were destroyed

astral pivot
#

i think they had hogs ready go help fire teams but most hogs we see came from nearby base i think

west silo
#

Dang wasn't the bridge in the beginning gone

#

So how did the others make it

#

Except the falcons

versed helm
#

They jumped the gap, I assume

astral pivot
#

the group we were part with was going into the big basin where we alot of fighting going on when we destory first AA gun its just we split off to go deal with AA for the frigate provide us with air support

west silo
#

And how did no one notice a 27km ship in atmosphere

#

It must of messed with the weather somehow

astral pivot
#

i think it was cloaked

west silo
#

Clouds just not forming there

astral pivot
#

or they pulled the adama maneuver and the ship just dropped from the sky and started hovering

west silo
#

Wait a minute why did the super carrier reveal it self

#

It didn't even do anything

cedar surge
#

I don't know,reach had a massive sensor grid and somehow nobody noticed qierd weather patterns,no meteors,or how whenever something flies in that area it disappears

astral pivot
#

it glassed the graftan

west silo
#

Well it actually destroyed all the ships in system

cedar surge
#

Spartan Remeber noble disabled the cloaking field?

#

What?

astral pivot
#

ONI still doesnt know how the covenant even snuck onto reach

cedar surge
#

What are you talking about?

west silo
#

Just don't look at the other side of the planet

cedar surge
#

The unsc had a sensor grid all around the planet?

#

How would the unsc not notice this behemoth sneaking above reach

#

Sure covenant stealth is good

stable flower
#

Because the UNSC are incompetent

cedar surge
#

Why are they incompitant?

west silo
#

What are you talking about?
@cedar surge
The cutscene where they come up with the plan to destroy the ship they state that all the nukes have bewn destroyed with the ships in system

cedar surge
#

They seem pretty smart to me

astral pivot
#

i believe that there were humans who helped the covenant sneak onto reach

cedar surge
#

Oh so that must have been where the space battle for reach took place

#

No wait

#

The space battle happened after

stable flower
#

They didn't even bother evacuating the civilians until the Fleet of Particular Justice showed up

cedar surge
#

So this still doesn't make sense

#

There was still hundreds of ships still in system

astral pivot
#

reach doesnt make sense

cedar surge
#

So what is novel even talking about?

west silo
#

Why are they incompitant?
@cedar surge
For the plot

cedar surge
#

Most of the time they seem pretty smart

astral pivot
#

the Novel and Game take place at two different areas and you have do math figure out the time differences

cedar surge
#

Like shooting nukes through openings in the shields

stable flower
#

I still don't understand why they needed to sneak a slipspace bomb onto the Ardent Prayer to destroy the LNOS.

#

Don't they have SMACs?

cedar surge
#

Its a CSO

west silo
#

That wouldn't help

cedar surge
#

Its not like a CAS

#

It would have really tough armor with even thicker shields

astral pivot
#

be alot of mac rounds take that big boi down you saw in HW2 how many sentinels were needed bring that thing down

cedar surge
#

Not to mention the amount of weapons it has

west silo
#

Imagine shooting a city with covenant shields

cedar surge
#

Flood juggernaut?

west silo
#

And the bigger the ship the more powerful the shields

cedar surge
#

And the CSO is a very big ship

#

29km

stable flower
#

So CSOs are basically space supremacy ships?

cedar surge
#

Space cities yea

#

With probably the laziest design in halo

#

Just a scaled up CAS

west silo
#

They could have even just used the uneven elephant design

terse lava
#

Unyielding hierophant

cedar surge
#

No its uneven elephant casual

west silo
#

Even elephant is easier to say

terse lava
#

Just sounds dumb to me

west silo
#

How about two squids kissing

terse lava
#

Although, that station had shield strong enough to repel a small moon

west silo
#

How big was it again?

cedar surge
#

Large

terse lava
#

The station? 30km in length

cedar surge
#

Just 1km longer than the CSO

west silo
#

Doesn't high charity counts as a small moon?

#

Like the death star is 60km and it does

terse lava
#

A few actually, the LNOS was 27km

#

Would say so on High Charity seeing as it was far more massive then the death star

west silo
#

So does that mean it could possibly repel a high charity size object heading towards it

terse lava
#

No, high charity is far, far larger then the Unyielding hierophant

stable flower
#

High Charity is practically a planet

terse lava
#

Planetoid yea

tiny prawn
#

Coming here even though I've only ever played the third game since I was like... six.

#

Honestly Chief dying kinda hit me hard. Always has.

gilded mason
#

Yes, John dying was a shot through the heart, truly.

astral pivot
#

so is it possible for spartans to augment the jackal shields or hardlights shields into there armor to act similar how Mandalorians have there little wrist shields and have still able move there body fully unlike how hardlight shield you had be in stance to use it

gilded mason
#

I guess. I imagine the stance was a gameplay thing.

tiny prawn
#

Jackals suck tbh, they are just as annoying as(if not more than) grunts.

astral pivot
#

there just angry space chickens

leaden minnow
#

they hit uneccessarily hard for no reason

versed helm
#

And why do they, of all species, have the magic arm shields?

leaden minnow
#

i think its because they are used as a heavy infantry cannon fodder

#

they can be used as expandable muscle

versed helm
#

They look pretty flimsy, though

leaden minnow
#

yes but they have uncanny agility

versed helm
#

That they do.

stable flower
#

Dunno why they're called Jackals if they're more like birds than dogs

astral pivot
#

maybe there legs?

keen delta
#

@astral pivot I dont see why not. its been awhile since I read the books but i believe in ghosts of onyx elites wore them to attack a spartan held position. and I vaguely remember blue team capturing covenant tech including jackal shields in fall of reach. however I dont know if they used the shields or not

carmine sleet
#

S-IIIs were known to use Jackal shields if I recall, mainly stolen from corpses

versed helm
#

they're jackals cause they're mainly scavengers

faint stone
#

but when it comes to naval battles

#

they're pirates arrrrr

peak veldt
#

Were forerunner space battles so advanced that they were throwing planets at each other?

#

Guessing I don't remember much of the Halo 3 terminals but sounds like Mendicant Bias and Offensive Bias fight was real epic.

faint stone
#

oh hell yeah

#

mendicant was using friggin star roads

#

aka precursor trans dimensional technology

#

it was the entire remainder of the forerunners fleet vs a majority of flood captured ships and precursor weapons

cedar surge
#

I mean if you look closely at the jackals you can see muscle

inner basin
#

And why do they, of all species, have the magic arm shields?
When Bungie was naming their species, they went with Jackals as a name because of how they like to gain an advantage in battle by having the shield gauntlets, meaning you have to fight smart in able to take them down (for example shooting their arm to make them vulnerable to a headshot)

sharp adder
#

Or introducing them to kfc

stiff creek
#

In Halo 4 we see a jackal body a guy in CQC in not even a second.

#

Dem bois are s p e e d y.

versed helm
#

I'm super late but finished Fall of Reach. Was a great read. Entertaining through and through. Next up is First Strike and then Ghosts of Onyx.

#

How is First Strike compared to Fall of Reach

round comet
#

miles better

#

first trike is just amazing really.

#

onyx is even better.

versed helm
#

Awesome. Looking forward to reading it.

round comet
#

šŸ‘

#

hope you like it.

inner basin
#

GoO is one of my favourites. Packed with juicy S-III lore

versed helm
#

yeah. GoO is lit

jolly swift
#

So how did the Gravemind physically get from deep underground on Delta Halo to High Charity to the control room on the Ark?

cedar surge
#

Decomstructing himself and reconstructing himself I think

wide fog
#

Does anyone know if Lord Hood is still alive?

humble yacht
#

Yes he is

round comet
#

he almost died

wide fog
#

WOW

stable flower
#

Yeah Hood is still alive. Unfortunately, he's been restricted to the expanded universe.

round comet
#

"relegated"

jolly swift
#

Tbh I find it kind of annoying when people say "WHEN the Flood return" like it's guaranteed

#

I think we've pretty much moved on from them aside from small things like Awakening the Nightmare

round comet
#

even Awakening the Nightmare was just self contained fan service and doesnt really matter that much

cedar surge
#

The worst part is that you can never beat the flood

#

So they will always be around

jolly swift
#

I mean if you activated the Halo array and then didn't keep any of the enemy you were trying to eradicate around afterward you'd be fine

fair hazel
#

What about when the flood come back ?

jolly swift
#

do you mean what were we talking about with that, or what would happen if they do?

stiff creek
#

Probably not much.

#

The only place I can think of them coming back around from is 07.

#

The only relevant place anyway.

#

I don't think the Banished would mind damaging the ring to kill them.

cedar surge
#

Well they could survive on shield worlds like they did in HW

fair hazel
#

Outiside the galaxy..

jolly swift
#

I honestly don't think they would come back

#

I think their story is over and done

fair hazel
#

It is not.

#

Waiting for their return.

jolly swift
#

I'd honestly be surprised to see them in Infinite

stiff creek
#

If they were still alive outside the galaxy, why would the Gravemind be whining like he was by the end of 3?

keen dragon
#

Do spartans wear deodorant?

versed helm
#

their suits probably manage the odors, since smell has the potential to give them away if they're hiding

stiff creek
#

The suits are airtight though.

keen dragon
#

ok, I'm LARPing next weekend so I need to know so I can be as realistic as possible

#

and need to start the transition today to become the best spartan I can be

#

so will stop wearing deodorant now

jolly swift
#

better idea:

#

don't

stiff creek
#

Gonna be like that one Marine in Halo 4.

#

"If I do enough push-ups, could I be a Spartan?"

boreal bane
#

@half marsh quit trying to spam please

keen dragon
#

@half marsh what is going on with your typing

half marsh
#

ok

keen dragon
#

ahh

#

interesting

#

Do fast food franchises exist in the Halo Universe, or has humanity evolved past that?

versed helm
#

Looking at john-117 and how tall he is, yeh humanity is beyond that now

keen dragon
#

In the glasslands book they mention some bars in Sydney, but nothing fastfood related from what i recall

jolly swift
#

society has progressed past the need for fast food by the 26th century

stiff creek
#

We see fast food in Reach.

#

That little kiosk lookin thing with the Moa nuggets, and the sushi, and the hot dog, burgers, etc.

keen dragon
#

but is it a franchise like tacobell or mcdonalds?

#

do ODST eat tendies on the weekend

#

I need to know

jolly swift
#

Flood Fries

#

om nom nom nom

faint stone
#

odsts have strict diets lol

#

considering they're going up against big old aliens

#

so they'll be bulking and doing more

#

but at the same time, training would be different in the future

west silo
#

So elites have there own battlenet right?

versed helm
#

one would assume so

cedar surge
#

I think its mentioned during 1 2 3 and reach

nimble crest
#

Battle net is mentioned multiple times in the games

jolly swift
#

I believe they're asking whether the Elites have a separate Battlenet from the Covenant that they could have used during the Great Schism.

gilded mason
#

It'd make sense.

nimble crest
#

Yeah prob

astral pivot
#

So why didnt 000 Tragic Solitude help during first Ark Conflict when Covenant were attempting use it? I know after the war he began a massive campaign repair the ark and also built the shiled dome and contain the flood but why didnt he work with UNSC before he got rampancy

jolly swift
#

šŸ¦€ šŸ¦€ šŸ¦€

terse lava
#

@astral pivot think it was addressed in the hw2 terminals that stuff happened too fast for him to really help.

versed helm
#

But given that he was a forerunner AI, he should've been able to act a bit faster

jolly swift
#

Maybe his personality aspect was procrastination?

#

Unlike Penitent Tangent he'll get it done, just not right away

terse lava
#

He likely had multiple alerts and other problems happening all over the ark. Various covenant groups trying to get into facilities, one group making camp in the control room, a space battle overhead, another forerunner construct accessing data

#

Not at all, Tragic didnt have a problem like Tangent did

jolly swift
#

All my homies hate 2401 Penitent Tangent, the Monitor of Installation 05

terse lava
#

Ok?

jolly swift
#

I'm memeing

dense pulsar
#

What if you were a monitor and there was a flood outbreak on your ring but you just didn't care enough to do anything about it

versed helm
#

Just sitting back and thinking "ehhh, the sentinels will handle it"

fair hazel
#

Because he wasn't happy either way..?

jolly swift
#

I still like Penitent Tangent more than Guilty Spark

west silo
#

Why though?

#

We only see him for like 20seconds

#

And what we know of his character is that he is really lazy

jolly swift
#

yeah but he didn't kill Johnson

#

that is unforgiveable

west silo
#

Meh fair

#

Exuberant witness is mine

jolly swift
#

Exuberant is the best monitor

#

honestly even the Forge Monitor is above Spark in my book

west silo
#

Gives you a free tank only 1 minute after meeting you what's not to love

terse lava
#

Enduring Bias would be mine. Friendly, was willing to share what knowledge he knew, and wasnt crazy/insane. Just talkative

gilded mason
#

He's a good boy

terse lava
#

Indeed, Tragic would 2nd to him. He sisnt deserve the ending he got

west silo
#

Wasn't he the last of the forerunner government

terse lava
#

||he was the last First Councilor of the Ecumene Council. Splendid Dust of Ancient Suns. He felt regret for the actions of Forerunners and saw becoming a monitor as a way to atone. He would teach humans when they arrived.||

sleek star
versed helm
#

I think that Exuberant Witness is the best Forerunner AI

#

but that is just me owo

jolly swift
#

Exuberant Waifu

cedar surge
#

You know halo follower is the most clickbaity halo youtuber?

gilded mason
#

He keeps posting videos from him whenever he talks

cedar surge
#

So what's halo follower argument?

#

That they don't look halo?

#

Cause that's the only way they would DE-evolve across games

scarlet frost
#

Pls rich

unique rune
#

if I wanted to watch HaloFollower’s videos I’d go look for them myself
and

I gotta say

I really don’t want to watch them

cedar surge
#

I don't see why he airdropping them here

west silo
#

I stopped watching them years ago

#

And what "devolving weopeans" ?

#

Most of the weapons we've seen so far looks pretty good

#

And the were probably getting a lightning gun of sorts

cedar surge
#

Its a 10 minute video about how 343 infinite weapons look dull and generic

unique rune
#

ā€˜course it is

west silo
#

Of course

cedar surge
#

Earlier he also made infinite red flags video

west silo
#

Its always dull and generic

cedar surge
#

Also did you guys see that jega is going to get a energy shield?

gilded mason
#

Pretty neat

cedar surge
#

At least that what it looks like

#

Kinda looks like a wrist mounted battleaxe

west silo
#

I wonder what that disruptor weapon is

cedar surge
#

Is that the weapon the sniper jackal is using?

#

Also I got used to the new brute armor

west silo
#

No

#

Its either human or forerunner

cedar surge
#

But I really wish they gave it more than one color

west silo
#

The jackal one is called the stalker rifle

cedar surge
#

The brute armor needs more colors

#

Is it me or does the carbine actually look bigger than the AR

west silo
#

The brute armor need a little more red

cedar surge
#

It needs more red?

#

I say more other colors

#

And needs to look more worn out

west silo
#

They just look like coveant brutes most of the time

cedar surge
#

In infinite?

west silo
#

Also

#

Yes

cedar surge
#

Also yea I wish every covenant species got new armor in the banished

#

To signify that they are not the covenant and are powerful enough for that

west silo
#

The SOS grunts were more different than the banished grunts

cedar surge
#

Infinite or HW2

west silo
#

Is it me or does the carbine actually look bigger than the AR
@cedar surge
Well elite hands are big and remember brutes use carbines too and there massive

cedar surge
#

No I mean the UNSC carbine

#

Woops I meant commando

west silo
#

Infinite or HW2
@cedar surge
In infinite but it a demo so will see

#

Woops I meant commando
@cedar surge
Really it looked barely larger than an smg

cedar surge
#

Well its a toy so that might be why

west silo
#

Oh you mean toys

cedar surge
#

Yea

feral horizon
#

halo is ring shape

west silo
#

I was thinking the games

cedar surge
#

Yes

#

However the side arm is absolutely massive

#

Sidekick

feral horizon
#

side kick looks sad

cedar surge
#

Like magnum in escalations big

west silo
#

Well escalations art style may have been the cause of that

feral horizon
#

people will never love it as much

west silo
#

Its a comic and sometimes comics scale horribly

feral horizon
#

it look nothing like what we loved

west silo
#

Am alright with it

cedar surge
#

Sometimes I just wish they made unsc weapons normal sized at the start

west silo
#

And I really like the bulldog

cedar surge
#

Bulldog holographic sights when

west silo
#

Bulldog with hardlight when

cedar surge
#

Bulldog with mac cannon when

#

How many of 4 and 5 weapons will come back you think?

#

Cause there was a big ammount

west silo
#

Most

cedar surge
#

But it will be open world

#

So your going to have to provide a bunch of weapons

west silo
#

Well they said semi

#

Some maybe like gears 5

#

That handled small scale open world really well

maiden crescent
#

Maybe it will be somewhat like CE

#

That was more or less open world

west silo
#

Yeah

cedar surge
#

So do you think the banished will actually go on patrols?

maiden crescent
#

hmmmm

west silo
#

Well yeah

cedar surge
#

Or just stay in one place and get sniped like in odst

maiden crescent
#

They will probably move

west silo
#

They are hunting the remaining humans on the ring

maiden crescent
#

And they have to move to do that

#

Maybe we can raid Banished supply convoyes

cedar surge
#

Well we did see a echo base in the Demo

maiden crescent
#

That could be cool, to get weapons and stuff

cedar surge
#

So that will probably be our main base of operations

#

But the weirdest thing is

#

Is how the demo supposedly takes place like 7 hours in

west silo
#

I do wonder if there will be some base mechanic though

maiden crescent
#

If it is open world there has to be

west silo
#

We also know you will be able to rescue marines

cedar surge
#

Like by the way they are talking you would expect this to be one of the first few levels

#

But its Actually 7 hours in

west silo
#

Yeah but 7 hours in

cedar surge
#

Eyy maybe we could actually use HW series vehicles for the first time

west silo
#

They talk as if they spent the last few hours in space

cedar surge
#

Like the mastadon to transport troops

#

Or using the grizzly to smash through banished lines

west silo
#

Eyy maybe we could actually use HW series vehicles for the first time
@cedar surge
Drivable blisterback when?

cedar surge
#

I just want to see HW vehicles in a main game alright?

#

Like the farthest they got was Spartan strike

maiden crescent
#

And I just want to play as a Grunt.

west silo
#

Imagine driving a HW2 style condor

maiden crescent
#

Maybe have a Grunt sidekick...

#

I want a Grunt sidekick...

cedar surge
#

Live for a year,get beat by brutes,then get gunned down by marines?

west silo
#

Mass effect halo edition

#

Live for a year,get beat by brutes,then get gunned down by marines?
@cedar surge
You play as a spec ops grunt

cedar surge
#

Is it so bad I want to steamroll banished in a grizzly?

west silo
#

Nope

cedar surge
#

Ah so you get beat to death by a crazed gamma

west silo
#

You play as slolt

maiden crescent
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And play cards with other Grunts...

west silo
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There no die

maiden crescent
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don’t judge I just keep dreaming about that

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For some reason

cedar surge
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Brian Reeds comes back and kills you for a dramatic death scene

west silo
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With a face like that no wonder

cedar surge
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I also hope for many unsc troop types

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Like I want those railguns marines

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Or hellbringers marines

west silo
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The army

cedar surge
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Well the armor still use the same aarmor

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But the marines are using different armor

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Just very similar

west silo
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Armor in armor in armor

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Armorseption

dense pulsar
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A game were you play as an Elite detective and have a grunt partner

west silo
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Soo halo CE covenant edition

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Spoiler it doesn't end well

fair hazel
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there are several bases in infinite

maiden crescent
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A game were you play as an Elite detective and have a grunt partner
@dense pulsar YES 343 TAKE MY MONEY I WILL GIVE YOU MY LIGE

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LIFE*

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343 LISTEN

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okay maybe I overreacted a little sorry

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Still, I would buy it

cedar surge
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Oh wait there are 7 bases in infinite?

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Banished bases or unsc?

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So do you think the ring that cortana was lighting in the 5 legendary ending will ever come into play?

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Its not like she can fire it

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Unless she wants everybody dead

terse lava
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Who knows

cedar surge
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But its clear that the unsc isn't just the infinity

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Hey wait if a ring gets as damaged as zeta halo did wouldn't the ark replace it?

terse lava
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Only if it had been fully destroyed

cedar surge
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Rings getting destroyed left and right

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So does 343 Remeber that shield world with a megstructure ring around it surrounded by multiple planets with a huge fleet of forerunner ships in escalations?

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That seems a bit important

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So does the banished treat its members worse than the covenant

gilded mason
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Sure seems like it

astral pivot
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they yeet grunts at there foes

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atleast brutes in covendant didnt throw grunts at us

versed helm
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the banished have no honor

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jk , they are the most honorable enemy we have faced

cedar surge
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Didn't know it was opposite day

terse lava
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Covenant: win this battle for the Great Journey
Banished: win this battle because I told you too

snow halo
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they could achieve a lot if they sided with the humans but I guess the humans killed all of Atriox's brothers so I understand why they wouldn't

cedar surge
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Humanity as a species?

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Why would the unsc or UEG in general work with the banished

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The banished are mercenary pirates

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Also Atriox doesn't have anyt;ing against humanity

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Also I find the whole "whole species allying with a whole another species" a bit dumb

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Not everyone is going to agreed to it

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Even after the schism some elites still believe in the great journy

terse lava
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Odd the only named one is Luro's favtion and the Keepers

cedar surge
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What about xytan

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He was like a covenant remnant for like less than a week I think

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Think less than a day

gilded mason
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"Check out this super important guy you're just now hearing abo - aaaand he's dead."

jolly swift
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Also I find the whole "whole species allying with a whole another species" a bit dumb
Fun fact! That trope is called "Species of Hats" and it's super annoying

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i.e. all Bothans being good spies

gilded mason
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I heard "Planet of Hats". But yeah, the bane of my existence

cedar surge
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"Elites are honorable"
"Brutes are savage"
"Grunts are cowardly"
"Jackals are pirates"
"Hunters are..."
"Drones are..."

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This is why I wish 343 and bungies were more specific

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No not all the elites helped humanity

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No this is not the actual covenant,just a remnant

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No every species did not go back to their home planet

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No the suit does not

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Actually how do bothans make good spies?

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Like they seem pretty similar to other star wars races except for facial and skin features

terse lava
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No clue

cedar surge
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Hey wait

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What if the harbinger is the leader of a group of covenant fringe species

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Who banded together for survival

stiff creek
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^

terse lava
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Who knows, maybe

stiff creek
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*Covenant remnant

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Not fringe

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Unless you did mean fringe

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Then my bad

cedar surge
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Yea I do

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Like we havnt really seen them

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And alone they were not good enough for the covenant

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But together maybe

versed helm
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I think its the faction of constructs led by the warden, that were originally led by cortana before she joined back with the chief
(i can explain my whole theory again, if needed, cause it makes sense)

cedar surge
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But Wouldn't the wardin still be under her control?

sly sierra
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Why is halo reach important to the main halo story

terse lava
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Because it pretty much kicks everything off

sly sierra
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It kicks master chief story's off?

terse lava
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In a meta way, it serves as the backdrop of why he is at halo in CE

kind portal
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It kicks off master chiefs story but also kicks off Arbiters ( Thel 'Vadamee) story. The fleet that randomly showed up to reach and flooded them was arbiters fleet in which ran the pillar of autumn to halo (after the end cut scene). After john destroys Alpha Halo, thats when halo 2 gets kicked off and Thel becomes the Arbiter

jolly swift
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it's really the beginning of the end of the Human Covenant war

kind portal
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Kindda sucks that the agreement of Human-Covenant peace lasted one game lol

jolly swift
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for sure

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343i wanted to re-establish the status quo I suppose

kind portal
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Makes sense

cedar surge
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Well the covenant really didn't agree to that peace agreemeant

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Cause it was dead

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They signed it with the elites

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More So their representative the Swords of Sanghellios

gilded mason
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Or at least, the Elites allied with Thel and Rtas. - Yeah

terse lava
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Yeah, not all sangheili admittedly

cedar surge
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And not all elites agreed to that

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Many are covenant remnants are pirates and mercs

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The arbiter had to fight a while civil war about this

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(Which is a like halfway through ONIs fault)

gilded mason
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Yeh

stable flower
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Lots of splinter groups and remnants poppin up

gilded mason
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All those human deaths are partly on ONI

cedar surge
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Cortana with the hammer ATP

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But yea I bet its going to take a loooong time before they start not popping up or at least not as much anymore

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Unfortantly halo is afraid of large timeskips

gilded mason
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Or this whole Created business shakes things up

cedar surge
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Well I don't see how

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It would just cement their religion

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Or it could just

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Make them super mad

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That the devils AI are controlling their gods machines

stable flower
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I say it separately because Halopedia and the Halo wiki like to use remnant and splinter interchangeably.

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IMO some groups are splinters while others are remnants

cedar surge
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Splinter is before the breaking up right?

jolly swift
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Would love to see a story where ONI gets taken down a peg

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Maybe Hunt the Truth could do that

cedar surge
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Not really possible

kind portal
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ONI will never get taken down

cedar surge
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ONI is simply too big and powerful

jolly swift
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So was the Covenant

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Just use Neural Physics smh

gilded mason
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Maybe in Infinite it'll turnout Cortana killed all ONI personnel not on the Infinity.

cedar surge
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Man with that kind of plot convinece we have some left over for six to be alive!

jolly swift
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He's just in a cave

stable flower
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Remnants include Jul's Covenant, Keepers of the One Freedom, and Merg Vol's Covenant.

cedar surge
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Heavily wounded,shot multiple times by plasma,ganged up on by two high ranking elites. Yea right

jolly swift
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Could be worse

cedar surge
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We even see the elite swinging his sword right into six right before the camera cuts away

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The only way to survive this is the force or

jolly swift
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Neural Physics

kind portal
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Idk lol. I saw some theories that six is still alive but nah

cedar surge
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Nah indeed

stable flower
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I hated how the camera just cuts away like that. It should've cut to black.

jolly swift
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Time traveling Forerunner crystals

cedar surge
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1second

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All we needed of one more second of his hand falling limp

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Or the elite completing his stab

kind portal
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yeah lol

jolly swift
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He dies but then a while later a wandering Ghost resurrects him and he becomes a Guardian

cedar surge
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Just 1 second

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No

kind portal
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wait what

cedar surge
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Guardians are made by custodes

kind portal
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No I know but him Overlord saying that threw me off lol

cedar surge
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Or are custodes

jolly swift
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not that kind of Guardian lmao

cedar surge
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Well it has happened to AI before

kind portal
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ahhhhh

cedar surge
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Like guilty spark being alive

kind portal
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I havnt read The fall of reach so im not sure. I only know about reach by youtubers

cedar surge
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Or his old name chakas

jolly swift
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If Guilty Spark is alive it just means I can splazer him again

cedar surge
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You can't he us on a forerunner salvage ship

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Yes there are humans using a forerunner ship to salvage things

jolly swift
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That won't stop the Chief

cedar surge
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Seeing as how guilty tried to kill him before but trusted him in 3 I would say chief would do the same

kind portal
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Well Guilty tried to kill him because Guilty was infected with the Logic Plague supposedly

jolly swift
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That was probably just normal Rampancy

kind portal
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But Guilty was made from Human (Chakas) so yeah I dont think it would be AI rampancy

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Im on the first book of the forerunner trilogy and watching videos spoiled that Chakas is Guilty Spark rip lol

gilded mason
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More just general insanity from many thousand of years of loneliness.

cedar surge
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Should have got a hobby

crimson moth
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Should've played Halo as a hobby