The issue rises in that it's a post war action
#lore-and-universe
terse lava
terse lava
Rather then during the war
west silo
Plus the covenant still has tens of thousands of colonies
@cedar surge
Not with Karen traviss they don't
gilded mason
It's irrelevant.
cedar surge
The colonies still exist
faint stone
ONI are bad
them tryna get 'payback'
but people would ofc still despise elites and other covie races
cedar surge
That's like being mauled by a tiger and then poking it with a very small stick
faint stone
like how the irish used to hate the brits
terse lava
Not that they could anyway
cedar surge
That's like 80 colonies vs tens of thousands
west silo
That's like being mauled by a tiger and then poking it with a very small stick
@cedar surge
They were gonna successfully kill elites by killing there rice
I think there good
cedar surge
Its practically only the arbiter stopping humanities destruction
gilded mason
I wouldn't say "successfully "
cedar surge
Ah yes
west silo
Wait a minute does the elites only have one food source or something
gilded mason
No, they don't
cedar surge
Because elites all eat the same grain
cedar surge
And get all their food from the unsv
west silo
Like oh no all the rice is gone we're dooomed
faint stone
đŚ
gilded mason
But for some outlandish reason in Parangosky's shriveled brain, she thought it'd work.
cedar surge
If the elites only had one food source they would already be starving
gilded mason
(The reason is Traviss)
west silo
That was oni big plan?
west silo
What if the elites just planted it some where else
gilded mason
Truly a shame
faint stone
well
in a way i guess they were also hoping for it to spread to other foods
but as always oni
west silo
And then there's mister super dad
cedar surge
Is going to be ONI
faint stone
ONI plans are literally like the coyote plans from roadrunner
west silo
I will destroy earth with one covenant ship
faint stone
can always backfire
like their plan for the flood?
pffft risk it spreading
well
one ship vs a planet
west silo
Its nor like earth has 300 ODPs or something?
faint stone
hell yeh
cedar surge
"Hm yes after we eat food provided by the unsc we suddenly start dying how curious guess we gotta keep eating their food"
west silo
Right
cedar surge
You know maybe they were just convincing him to not add to the earth debris field
faint stone
arby sides with the covenant faction
west silo
"Hm yes after we eat food provided by the unsc we suddenly start dying how curious guess we gotta keep eating their food"
@cedar surge
In Karen traviss books this would be a big brain moment for the elites
arby sides with the covenant faction
@faint stone
And it's revealed that arby was working with the covenant all a long
Everything was according to plan
cedar surge
And the infinity comes outta nowhere all alone and defeats all elite forces with one might mac blast
terse lava
Before it suddenly gets vaporized by the didact
terse lava
But not before it gets boarded by the original Covenant, Jul's group, rebels, flood, and Keys'pipe
faint stone
into the elites eco system
cedar surge
"How to destroy the galaxy in one move"
faint stone
then have a navy fleet surround the planet
west silo
And the infinity comes outta nowhere all alone and defeats all elite forces with one might mac blast
@cedar surge
Its funny because this did happen
faint stone
and instantly nuke any ship leaving
once that happens nuke the hell out of the planet
terse lava
You realize how bad that would be right
cedar surge
You know that elites don't live on one planet right?
west silo
You know humanity is dead right
terse lava
They..have multiple big ones
faint stone
ONI have to have better plans bro
cedar surge
Its not like earth where its barely holding control over its colonies
west silo
If oni did that
cedar surge
Sanghellios is covered by massive defense fleets
west silo
ONI have to have better plans bro
@faint stone
Poison one crop is not a good plan
cedar surge
The elites have 7000 colonies
faint stone
never said it was
cedar surge
And millions of ships or at least hundreds of thousands
faint stone
just said they need better plans lol
west silo
Sanghellios is covered by massive defense fleets
@cedar surge
By massive you mean surprisingly small?
faint stone
yikes bro get glasses
west silo
Right
west silo
Dobt tell me
@cedar surge
The infinity just strolled in there
cedar surge
You gotta be kidding me
west silo
Didn't even kill anything
cedar surge
Why does 343 lobe the infinity so much
terse lava
The highest we know of were the fleet around high charity, Xytan's personal combined fleet. Those 2 numbered in the hundreds of vessels. We do know though early in the war the hierarchs sent thousands of ships out to take care of humanity
cedar surge
Thousands
west silo
The highest we know of were the fleet around high charity, Xytan's personal combined fleet. Those 2 numbered in the hundreds of vessels. We do know though early in the war the hierarchs sent thousands of ships out to take care of humanity
@terse lava
The fleet of 4000 in halo oblivion
terse lava
I don't recall a straight number with that
west silo
And no it was not part of high charitys defense fllet
terse lava
Just "thousands"
cedar surge
Plus long
terse lava
Although the defense fleet of high charity was at the smallest over 1000 vessels
west silo
I don't recall a straight number with that
@terse lava
Yeah a straight number was given
cedar surge
ONI tried to use the flood as a weapon before
terse lava
Gotta quote 117?
stable flower
@cedar surge
By massive you mean surprisingly small?
@west silo I think they're small because of the civil war.
cedar surge
And it turned very very bad very fast
All it would take is one screw up
And the galaxy is doomed
One flood worshiper
One stupid innie
west silo
@west silo I think they're small because of the civil war.
@stable flower
Hey in my defense he said defense fleet and defense filets don't go on the front lines
west silo
Gotta quote 117?
@terse lava
Am a look
terse lava
Ok
stable flower
Oh I forgot
BTW are Jul's Covenant a third-party threat in the Blooding Years? They're listed as a third side on the wiki.
cedar surge
Usually the whole "use (virus/parasite) as a weapon" plans never turn out too well. Even with countermeasures
terse lava
Fun fact, during the end of the human-forerunner war, some humans wanted to draw the flood back into the galaxy and send them at the forerunners
They were quickly over ruled
west silo
Actually it was lord of admirals
terse lava
He was one of them yes
cedar surge
Hmm yes,giving the most destructive parasite in the galaxy more mass to kill us with is a surely good idea
terse lava
Halo humanity, messing up with the galaxy via flood since 110,000BCE
astral pivot
wasnt there a human child raised by the Covenant and what happened to them?
gilded mason
That's a first in the up-coming TV show.
astral pivot
o so the show is going show human raised by them? I thought there book that had like brief mention of it
terse lava
Nope
coral locust
wort
terse lava
Wort
humble yacht
We donât know to what extent the human child will be a part of the covenant. Iâm betting sheâll be truthâs personal forerunner door opener
cedar surge
You know they could just kidnap a random human and have them open forerunner relics for them
versed helm
I refuse to believe that the child stayed alive for more than a week
cedar surge
Like they just had to shove Miranda or Johnson onto a console for it to start working
Actually that's how we see them do it every time
astral pivot
its an intresting concept see human raised by the covies as it will show us side more of how there inner working work
terse lava
That's the sole thing I am looking forward too with this series
west silo
I refuse to believe that the child stayed alive for more than a week
@versed helm
They probably just feed her sangheli food
And it's not like elite are bad parents
They probably just left her to fend for herself in the wild for a few weeks
terse lava
Well we dont even know whose caring for her
I would assume Truth onf with some loyal honor guards as trainers
versed helm
if the covies got the kid
who's to say the brutes didnt get to her
they wanted to eat arby, after his royal zapping
hollow sorrel
Is there an in-universe explanation for how the banished got their red paint?
echo nebula
By the Blood of our enemies, by the Blood of our sons
echo nebula
That is the warrior chant on the Arbiters first mission as the Arbiter in H2
gilded mason
By the Blood of our enemies
"On the blood of our fathers" rather.
terse lava
"On the blood or our fathers, on the blood of our sons. We swore to uphold the Covenant"
echo nebula
When we joined the Covenant, we took an oath
According to our station! All without exception!
On the blood of our fathers, on the blood of our sons...we swore to uphold the Covenant!
Even to our dying breath!
Those who would break this oath are Heretics, worthy of neither pity, nor mercy!
We shall grind them into dust!
Scrape them as excrement from our boots!
And continue our march to glorious salvation!
hollow sorrel
Wait a sec
echo nebula
hollow sorrel
Didnât the great schism eliminate all elites from the covenant?
gilded mason
Yes.
hollow sorrel
If so, how does all of the covenant that includes elites in Halo 4 & 5 work?
gilded mason
Because that's Jul Covenant?
hollow sorrel
Did they make a truce cos they were strapped for troops?
terse lava
Somewhat, those that were aware of the betrayal
gilded mason
A post-war faction
hollow sorrel
But there were still like grunts and jackals
echo nebula
The original Covenant is done, the ones from 4 and 5 are those who refuse to let go
gilded mason
Jul made his own faction and then called it "The Covenant"
terse lava
Yeah Jul's group is not THE Covenant, just a small group Jul founded
round comet
If so, how does all of the covenant that includes elites in Halo 4 & 5 work?
covenant remnants led by Jul Mdamma.
orchid prism
Who or what exactly is the 'Timeless one'?
round comet
the primordial.
hollow sorrel
Creepiest frick ever
terse lava
The last precursor, heavily mutated to survive eons in stasis
Later became the gravemind
echo nebula
It took billions of years inside a fast forward slipspace bubble to kill the primordial
hollow sorrel
He like converted mendicant bias
round comet
arguably the most important character in the halo universe.
hollow sorrel
To the floodâs side
round comet
...yes
echo nebula
Even then, they said it was a dried up whithered husk right? Not dust? So even in theory, it could be rehydrated and brought back ... right?
Should have blasted the remains into a star
Just to be safe
terse lava
It was quite alive until the new stasis field it was in was activated fully. Its body turned to dust due to sheer time, but its mind escaped and took up residence in the flood
Not even dust was left of his body anyway. Nothing was left
echo nebula
I did not know about it's mind escaping
echo nebula
Well the precursors were transcientent
terse lava
Yes
echo nebula
Who were able to turn themselves into dust to continue to live on, so it is not suprising that they would find a way
terse lava
Well the last time was an accident. They just used it to their advantage
stable flower
Jul's Covenant should've been given a name (not Storm Covenant).
It would help the casual players of Halo understand why they're in Halo 4, because they're a ragtag remnant group.
terse lava
Pretty much, just one of hundreds of covenant factions
echo nebula
Buncha sad sacks who could not move on with their lives and could not accept change
snow halo
why did the humans never utilize plasma weapons
dense pulsar
No idea but I figure reverse-engineering them to mass produce weapons was beyond their means
echo nebula
Easier to reload projectiles than plasma
snow halo
but you don't even need to reload on plasma weapoms
echo nebula
They do eventually run out
snow halo
but thet can last for days which is a lot more than most unsc guns from my knoeledge
unique rune
Directed energy weaponry is still a relative unknown for humanity
Conventional kinetic weapons have been reliable for centuries
At most weâve seen limited laser weapons in the UNSC arsenal, and very limited plasma weaponry in the Rhino artillery tank...
But for the time being there really doesnât seem to be much reason when chemical propellants and magnetic acceleration to launch slugs of metal at humans and aliens alike still works fine
dusky quail
also who else likes flood lore
echo nebula
...
unique rune
...Why would you preface a statement that ends in âdonât think itâs canonâ with âdid you knowâ
Because itâs... most certainly not canon.
dusky quail
cuz i am dumb?
unique rune
As funny as it was reading the first time... how long ago? Itâs quite annoying to see propogated as if it were canon.
versed helm
.....why would a battle suit do that
versed helm
I mean, why
versed helm
But would he enjoy it all that much? Their treatments do reduce the drive
boreal bane
The paragraph you're all talking about is fake by the way, it doesn't exist in any book and isn't canon
faint stone
is halsey remorseful of using children as soldiers?
or is she still just strong on her 'i saved humanity' view
cedar surge
The 2nd
inner basin
I think it's a mix of both, but more the second one than the first
round comet
its both.
faint stone
'can't believe i used children'
'shut up halsey get a grip they saved humanity lol forget their childhood'
internal conflict of halsey
also crying about miranda
humble yacht
Her whole reason for going to onyx was to try and save as many Spartans from the war as she could (out of guilt)
But maybe after being imprisoned she hardened up again
round comet
"off brand Spartan II's"
cedar surge
she really proud of her kidnapped kids huh
round comet
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
"Are they all SPARTAN-IIs?
Or, as I supect from their inelegant
personas, are they substandard versions
of the SPARTAN-II? Perhaps from a
parrallel program (JAVELIN?), or some next-
gen venture piggybacking on the last three
decades of my work.
Time permitting I'd pursue this, but all the
pieces are almost in place for Operation:
RED FLAG.
My curiosity, for once, must wait."
^ from her journal.
humble yacht
She considered them enough of Spartans to take them with her to Onyx
jolly swift
so, does the Forerunner trilogy contain basically everything I could want to know about the Forerunners (Geas, Organon, etc)?
humble yacht
almost
there are a couple stories in Fractures that talk about what happened immediately after the Forerunner trilogy
low eagle
I just have one question. Did Master Chief knew that Sargent Johnson was a Spartan 1 idk if itâs apart of this channel. Just wondering
humble yacht
maybe?
jolly swift
also, what were the sentients that crashed on Installation 04 in the terminal? the ship looks similar to Covenant ships
humble yacht
Certainly when he helped cover up Johnson's whole "flood immunity" thing, he may have learned about Project ORION
round comet
so, does the Forerunner trilogy contain basically everything I could want to know about the Forerunners (Geas, Organon, etc)?
cryptum, primordium, silentium, Promises to Keep and an untitled story from fractures
I just have one question. Did Master Chief knew that Sargent Johnson was a Spartan 1 idk if itâs apart of this channel. Just wondering
i dont think so, no.
low eagle
So The spartan 1 Program was a Secret? I thought only Spartan 3s were secret and Spartan 2s but the 2s werenât secret anymore..
Oh
round comet
well, all the spartan programs were meant to be secret, except 4
low eagle
I donât get how weâre the Spartan 2s were secret because in halo 5 Locke and FireTeem Osiris weâre talking about how master chief and blue team were a family and told how they grew up together in the Spartan 2 program.. or I am just overseeing this
humble yacht
they're a secret to the general public
but Locke is former ONI and buck has been around long enough to have seen that the spartans were young kids
inner basin
The general public only know of Spartan-IIs and Spartan-IVs, but only refer to them as Spartans because they donât know the difference between the different generations of Spartans
round comet
no one wants the people to know how they abducted 6 year old kids, yknow what i mean?
inner basin
Well the S-IIIs had varying ages, but they still donât want people to know that
low eagle
Yeah thatâs true.. but weâre the Spartan 3s were as secret as the 2s?
humble yacht
yes
arguably more secret, as even halsey didn't immediately know where they came from
round comet
^ yeah
low eagle
Itâs kinda dark
humble yacht
Yep
round comet
indeed yes it is
low eagle
In a way when you look at it
inner basin
The Headhunters are the most secretive Spartans and during the War (and likely post-war too) their fellow Spartans didnât even know about them
humble yacht
I think thatâs intentional
Spartans were never meant to be portrayed as sunshine and rainbows
orchid prism
Sp3s were teens, ranging to early adulthood?
humble yacht
Theyâre tragic heroes
No the SIIIs were generally conscripted at younger ages than the IIs
orchid prism
Oh
inner basin
I think the youngest was 4
round comet
i think tom was 5
low eagle
And also I always wondered how didnât everyone die when the halo rings fired on the ark in halo 3 and the flood? I just joined this sever because if I could get more info
round comet
so was lucy
inner basin
And also I always wondered how didnât everyone die when the halo rings fired on the ark in halo 3 and the flood? I just joined this sever because if I could get more info
The Ark is outside of our galaxy (which is where the ring was fired above)
humble yacht
Because it was a tactical pulse
inner basin
^ That too
orchid prism
That structure in 3 wasnt the ark?
inner basin
Yes it was, unless youâre referring to the artifact on Earth, as that was the portal to the Ark
low eagle
Oh thats a lot to take in
round comet
And also I always wondered how didnât everyone die when the halo rings fired on the ark in halo 3 and the flood? I just joined this sever because if I could get more info
i believe it has something to do with the fact that the ark is 100000 light years away from the galaxy, so they were effectively out of range
and what chimera said
orchid prism
Im imagining it having full auto now lmao
inner basin
But considering I-07 is from the greater Ark, would it not have two firing modes, or just the linear firing mode that the larger Halos had? That part never made sense to me
humble yacht
The Milky Way is ~100000 light years in diameter
A single haloâs effective range is only 20000 lys
Or 25
jolly swift
25
orchid prism
Its 25
jolly swift
I literally was just watching the terminals so can confirm
humble yacht
We also donât know how far the Ark is from the edge of the Milky Way
low eagle
But why didnât all the flood die in halo 3? I just got halo wars 2 thatâs how I just thought of all these Questions. Anyways and I know that there are still flood contained on the other rings
humble yacht
Because fanservice
round comet
But considering I-07 is from the greater Ark, would it not have two firing modes, or just the linear firing mode that the larger Halos had? That part never made sense to me
p sure the senescent array fired directed beams
jolly swift
think Chief ever just sucker punched Thel for Reach?
round comet
But why didnât all the flood die in halo 3? I just got halo wars 2 thatâs how I just thought of all these Questions. Anyways and I know that there are still flood contained on the other rings
that halo wars 2 DLC was a bit of self contained fan service, really hope that doesnt carry over to infinite somehow
but ehh it probably will
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
low eagle
What do you mean Fan Service?
humble yacht
It means it was primarily done to please fans
round comet
halo fans like the flood very much
low eagle
Does it mean that the fans wanted the flood back?
humble yacht
Rather than meaningfully tie in with the existing narrative
low eagle
Oh ok
orchid prism
Not canonical i suppose
round comet
Does it mean that the fans wanted the flood back?
indeed yes they do.
humble yacht
No itâs canon
low eagle
Thanks
jolly swift
probably about as canonical as Johnson in a mech suit
round comet
Not canonical i suppose
awakening the nightmare is canon
jolly swift
or Guilty Spark not being dead
inner basin
His old body is âdeadâ so to speak, but he isnât dead
jolly swift
unfortunately he's alive yea
round comet
unfortunately?
inner basin
I think the book made it very convincing. It didnât feel like a retcon (which it isnât)
jolly swift
I don't like when later canon decides to undo main character deaths just because
humble yacht
Spark coming back is about the only thing I was fine with from Greg Bearâs work 
jolly swift
Palpatine
round comet
you will if you read renegades, fantastic book which explores the character which is something bungie didnt believe in, exploring and developing characters in a narrative
jolly swift
ain't Greg Bear the guy that did the Forerunner trilogy
humble yacht
Tbh I blame marty
orchid prism
Was spark the only one of its kind or were there more? And were they different?
humble yacht
Iirc he suggested having Johnson die
There are many Monitors
They have different personalities
round comet
indeed yes he is, my favorite books of the halo universe btw.
humble yacht
Bad quote job
inner basin
I was about to say
orchid prism
Ok, now im waiting to meet a scottish monitor
humble yacht
Scotland didnât exist when the monitors were created
round comet
Was spark the only one of its kind or were there more? And were they different?
if you mean monitors then yeah there were more
humble yacht
For instance, 2401 Penitent Tangent was lazy
orchid prism
Nah i meant in terms of accent
humble yacht
Exuberant Witness was happy
Tragic Solitude was emo vindictive
Guilty Spark was kinda yandere
orchid prism
Lol
round comet
Tbh I blame marty
apparently after writing the first draft of halo 3 bungie, specifically marty was like "yeah this is cool but it needs more death"
đż
humble yacht
I heard joe didnât want Johnson to be killed
round comet
yeah, joe was against a lot of stuff that we see in halo 3.
jolly swift
I'm personally okay with Johnson dying
orchid prism
Well
low eagle
The dude was a badass
humble yacht
I still wonder why he wrote truth so differently in H3 compared to H2
low eagle
I was aright When Sargent Johnson dying but it was kinda Emotional like when Cortana supposedly die in halo 4
inner basin
We all know H2 Truth > H3 Truth
round comet
in halo 3 the writing was dumbed down to almost nothing.
You went from entire character arcs, good introductions, new and immersive character moments, to what? One-liners, characters who got less and less screen time
your music writer deciding that everyone should die for no reason other than "emotional impact"
low eagle
But I loved it when sergeant Johnson had a card in halo wars 2
round comet
Characters who went from tactical geniuses to "im the ship's captain but im going to go alone and die against super-powered aliens"
Halo 3 is a step down from 2 in every way, in terms of writing atleast.
jolly swift
the way Thel and Chief contrasted each other in Halo 2 was done very well
round comet
halo 3 was just filler, filler, filler, TIME TO TAKE DOWN THE COVENANT, TIME TO SAVE CORTANA, filler, THE END
low eagle
I donât get it when a lot of people like halo 3 itâs opinion wise but the only thing I donât like about it was the sound affects and the looks of the assault rifle
humble yacht
H3 could have gone straight from S117 to The Storm and it wouldnât have changed anything
round comet
yeah.
humble yacht
Nothing really important happened in crows nest or Tsavo highway
jolly swift
but they're fun levels
round comet
Tsavo Highway was one of the levels that had no purpose to exist
Tons of on-foot levels that only existed because Halo 3 wasn't supposed to exist during the planning phase, and their lead writing team had begun to move on from those roles and others had to step in.
humble yacht
ESP tsavo highway, that was textbook point a to point b
orchid prism
Yup
round comet
its just f i l l e r
humble yacht
Crows nest was more like point a to point b then back to point a then back to point b
Crows Nest challenge: how many times can you run around the base?
round comet
Halo 5 had better character writing than 3, people were just upset over the twist and not playing as chief as much.
low eagle
Halo 4 Was better than halo 5
orchid prism
Ah yeah
humble yacht
And then it doesnât even give you an actual timer
You can stand around forever if you like
round comet
Halo 4 Was better than halo 5
of course it is, 50 times better
jolly swift
what I like about Halo 3 is that Chief has things he actually wants now
humble yacht
The game that took out reach was 50x better
round comet
i love halo 4's narrative soooooooooo much
jolly swift
he goes off to save Cortana of his own accord
round comet
The game that took out reach was 50x better
no
humble yacht
Lord hood says yes
round comet
noooooo
cedar surge
the game that took out reach?
jolly swift
Halo 4 had a good story
humble yacht
Because 4 came after reach
round comet
Halo 4 had a good story
*the best
low eagle
I just like halo 4s story because it was so Emotional
orchid prism
4 had the emotion
low eagle
Yeah
orchid prism
Which is pretty good imo
humble yacht
Halo 4 was like Ron Burgundy when he was trapped in a glass case of emotion
round comet
The game that took out reach was 50x better
4 is 500 times better than reach.
50 is too low. đż
jolly swift
but I also feel like 4 and 5 rely a bit too heavily on canon material outside the games
round comet
but I also feel like 4 and 5 rely a bit too heavily on canon material outside the games
they do not.
orchid prism
We get to see Chief's humane side
humble yacht
Maybe 4 does but no amount of outside canon sets up H5
low eagle
I donât care if people think that the multiplayer was bad but it was aright at least it wasnât like 5 well I mean 5 had a good multiplayer but at the end 4s wins
orchid prism
Pretty wholesome
round comet
I donât care if people think that the multiplayer was bad but it was aright at least it wasnât like 5 well I mean 5 had a good multiplayer but at the end 4s wins
i prefer 5, like a lot
4 was fun to play but eh
orchid prism
Ok, well, in terms of 5 and 3 which has the better mp?
low eagle
I just like 4s because you can change everything on your Spartan just like reach
orchid prism
I think u can do that in 5 too?
jolly swift
no, 5 is just single armor and helmet
orchid prism
Oh
low eagle
You canât you only can get packs to get a full set of amor
Not a full set
Req packs
orchid prism
5 was the latest halo game and 343 didnt even consider customization?
round comet
5's armor customization is not really interesting
low eagle
It was aright tho.. it would of been better if you could change your Spartans undersuit I mean you could itâs just thereâs only 2 coloring sections for your Spartan why not 3
Halo 5
jolly swift
a lot of Halo 5 armor looks like you put a buncha Mjolnir in a shredder, lathered yourself in glue, and rolled around in a pile of the scraps
low eagle
lol
orchid prism
Lol
hard epoch
haha
low eagle
You know it would be pretty cool if you could be any Spartan in halo infinite multiplayer judging by rank idk if this topic is okay in this channel..
round comet
ehh we go off topic every now and then
but yeah you should probably take that to #483759756566069258
round comet
the most common terms used in SoR ^
so this this tells us is that the keepers are (probably) in it
The notion that they've teamed up with the Banished is just speculation from eld's part
but i dont want it to be true.
another cool faction absorbed by the banished, now sharing the same motives (apparently that motive is halo)
humble yacht
how are the words Created and Cortana missing from a book where the synopsis is that Blue Team goes to Reach to find something to use against Cortana and the Created?
makes me worried that this book is just going to shove all that stuff to the side real quick
round comet
that, is odd yeah.
makes me worried that this book is just going to shove all that stuff to the side real quick
isnt that what we've been expecting for a while now?
cedar surge
to the forerunners?
humble yacht
Hope: the quintessential human delusion. Simultaneously the source of our greatest strength and our greatest weakness.
round comet
indeed.
how about
A - cortana comes back to the good side, in infinite
B - the flood is revealed halfway through the game
nightmare, i know
fair hazel
I think all discussion with info other then preview should be in #485883236430512168
For shadows of reach
cedar surge
haha imagine if they pulled a didact and had the created offed in a comic
or sacrifice
round comet
sacrfice is written by someone over at 343, im assuming frankie, so it may just be important
jolly swift
I hate that the Didact was brought back and killed in a COMIC
cedar surge
he didn't really need to be brought back there
main siren
How about this instead? Halo Infinite's story at launch focuses on the Banished while the Created get their role halfway through the game
low eagle
I thought that halo 4 last mission was so good but not that much because the didact survived
cedar surge
i would really hate for the flood to show up out of nowhere just for the "OMG the flood is back!!!"
low eagle
Survived
round comet
How about this instead? Halo Infinite's story at launch focuses on the Banished while the Created get their role halfway through the game
thats you being optimistic hawkster.
and i hope youre right.
cedar surge
plus this isnt the floods game
they have no point in the story now
they got their story resolved
cedar surge
because as soon as they enter the picture it instantly becomes "we gotta save the galaxy from the flood!"
every time
jolly swift
they had a resolution in Halo 3
round comet
mhm.
cedar surge
i would really hate for the flood to show up out of nowhere just for the "OMG the flood is back" this is what i fear
we had games before with one enemy faction
jolly swift
The flood are cool but we defeated them
cedar surge
and they turned out pretty good or fine
jolly swift
Ngl the Precursors are unnecessary
It's redundant
We have the Forerunners, this ancient and vast alien civilization
But then oh no! ANOTHER one that's even older!
One day we'll get a book about the Precursors and there'll be an even OLDER civilization mark my worms
cedar surge
and behind them is a EVEN MORE ANCIENT CIVILIZATION
jolly swift
And it's always one feeding into another
cedar surge
AND THEY ARE ACTUAL GODS
round comet
i dont have a problem with them, heck they make this more interesting for me
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
jolly swift
It's basically just they explained away the Forerunners so they need to replace them with a new mystery
cedar surge
my problem with them is that they are bassically gods
humble yacht
yeah I also find the idea of gods boring
jolly swift
They're basically only gods because that's what the Forerunners seemed to be
humble yacht
Even back in H3 when the forerunners were a mystery
we as the players knew they weren't gods
and that was the interesting part
the Covenant were worshipping them but we as players knew they were hella fallible
cedar surge
but then the primodials come in
humble yacht
the problem with the Precursors is that they seem infallible
like we don't even know if they're actually dead
cedar surge
didn't they also come before the big bang?
also
neural physics
the magic of halo
humble yacht
i don't think anything says they preceded the universe
round comet
halo's version of panpsychism you mean
humble yacht
all that's said is that they've seeded multiple galaxies with life
round comet
yeah
cedar surge
The Precursors originated outside the Milky Way and arrived in the galaxy billions of years ago.[7] They were an incredibly advanced race of beings who explored many galaxies and seeded them with life over the course of many billions of years as part of a grand experiment
shut dew
Who will be the precursors to the precursors then?
humble yacht
Who will be the precursors to the precursors then?
The Forebearers?
The Progenitors?
shut dew
The prophesizers
shut dew
Cabeese
cedar surge
the gods from RvB s16-17 seem more real
humble yacht
those were the worst
they weren;t even gods, they were AI, but they didn't explain how they got so strong
cedar surge
oh yea i would say RvB started going extremly downhill as 15
also it kinda feels like the only thing left from halo is the suits
like the new trailer
i hope primordials don't come back but they probably will
versed helm
there's a new trailer for RvB?
cedar surge
yea s18
versed helm
BRUH
shut dew
I tried going through season 1-7 and gave up.
Never was a big fan of RvB, and I'd want a more unique and out-there Halo machinima.
(Not saying RvB hasn't taken risks)
cedar surge
humble yacht
considering how long the original creators were working out of closets, I'd say they took plenty risks
cedar surge
i say RvB should have ended after the chorus trilogy
it would have been the perfect ending after churches speech
jolly swift
That's where it ends for me
terse lava
Dang have not watched RvB since the Meta
zenith veldt
i stopped watching not too long after they started using animation instead of just acting it out
jolly swift
you mean proto RWBY
terse lava
I am aware of the time frame. Seemed like a good place to end it
cedar surge
animation was fine with me as long as they also you machinima
the newest season looks like its going to be etnirely animated
i miss when they used machinima mostly and animation was a nice side thing
zenith veldt
machinimas are a thing of the past, anyone who still does them are legends
terse lava
I blame halo 4 and 5 for ruining them
zenith veldt
yep
inner basin
How come Ado?
cedar surge
because too much movement and freedom i guess
like 343 put a button to put fown the gun
inner basin
That literally made no sense on how it ruins/kills them
cedar surge
i dont really know how 4 and 5 killed them\
inner basin
Then whyâd you reply lol
snow halo
because too much movement and freedom i guess
@cedar surge isn't that supposed to be a good thing
zenith veldt
i feel like as games evolved and looked better, people got less creative
round comet
..
round comet
i dont see how what game was being used affects a season of RvB
i think that comes down to the writing teams đż
stiff creek
The armor of the characters has charm in Halo 3 and such.
That's not a fault on their part though.
terse lava
I blame 4&5 because they removed half the community. Playable Sangheili gave variety to plots made by machinema groups
jolly swift
They found workarounds
stiff creek
heLiOskrIlL
zenith veldt
helioskrill isn't supposed to look like an elite
cedar surge
did they actually use helioskrill to make people elites?
terse lava
I dont know
cedar surge
also aint that like super hard to get?
zenith veldt
that would suck
stiff creek
Was just a suggestion.
zenith veldt
oh
cedar surge
oh
terse lava
The problem was though no sangheili seemed to have gutted the machinma community
Cant have those epic battles set in the war era
versed helm
Reach has playable elites, right
They probably used those for the machinma projects that needed elites
cedar surge
reach does have the most war like artsstyle
terse lava
True
orchid prism
How much temp. can a sp2 in mjolnir mark v or vi withstand, is this ever explained in the lore?
cedar surge
well we know chief and jerome survived fall from orbits and came out fine
so they can withstand that
jolly swift
so what's the deal with Chief's armor in Halo 4?
I've heard Cortana modified it, which makes little sense
but the opening cutscene also depicts other Spartan 2's in the same armor
and the normal Mark 6 armor is also obtainable in Multiplayer
cedar surge
its a very canon breaking cutscene
ebon mauve
It was originally supposed to be an art style thing, not a canon thing. But 343 decided to add a "lore" reason why it changed. The specifics of the armor type are secondary to the story being told.
cedar surge
nanobots
ebon mauve
Yeah, that
cedar surge
somehow it got uupgraded but should have the same components
ebon mauve
Personally I prefer going with "we changed the art style a bit". It is canonically the same armor
cedar surge
like how the FoD is still a charon class
jolly swift
i'm fine with the new art style, but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired
"no this is the same ship we promise"
gilded mason
Shadows of Reach
Nah. Obviously set on Gao.
zenith veldt
could just be a misleading title
humble yacht
so its set on reach?
Whatever gave you that idea?
zenith veldt
you never know
gilded mason
And the synopsis that released right beside the title said it was on Reach too lol
swift cliff
Hey is locke a spartan 5? Im confused
gilded mason
Locke is a Spartan 8
humble yacht
yes
zenith veldt
spartan 10
swift cliff
Wtf? A spartan 8?
humble yacht
he's a spartan in H5
swift cliff
Didnt 343 just showcase spartan 7's?
swift cliff
Than which one was locke?
humble yacht
You're likely confusing armor generation with spartan generation
zenith veldt
this is no longer lore chat, it's confusion chat
humble yacht
Locke is a spartan IV wearing GEN2 armor
gilded mason
ONI saw him and said, "Locke, you are truly double the skill of our current S4s. And thus, you shall be the first Spartan 8."
zenith veldt
when are spartan 10s coming out
humble yacht
never
gilded mason
After the S8s for mobile devices
humble yacht
remember GoT S8?
gilded mason
Oh no
ember tusk
Did rookie die or was that someone else
gilded mason
he ded
humble yacht
he dies eventually
ember tusk
shame
zenith veldt
rip
ember tusk
i always liked him
humble yacht
lol, y?
ember tusk
he reminded me of me
terse lava
Only backstory I recall was from Dirt
ember tusk
i liked his armour
zenith veldt
when he says "ermf" sometimes when you jump in ODST is one of the things i remember about him
zenith veldt
yeah
humble yacht
rookie is secretly Link
zenith veldt
i hate how in ODST the screen gets all red when youre hurt
zenith veldt
legend of zelda
gilded mason
Never played Zelda?
ember tusk
nope
gilded mason
Huh.
zenith veldt
link just goes HYAAA instead of talking
zenith veldt
yeah
dense pulsar
Halo game but you're a marine and it plays like ARMA or a rising storm game?
humble yacht
6 is also a Rookie like character
You mean a non-character type of character? yea
ember tusk
basically
zenith veldt
so would the default armor that six has in the beginning be his canon armor
zenith veldt
seems bland compared to other spartans armors
ember tusk
it was intended to be changed
zenith veldt
yeah
ember tusk
and i think the only non canon armours are the EVA C and the Pilot skull varient
dense pulsar
Well, Noble 6's actual appearance is supposed to be up to the imagination
Imo, I feel like the story was a second-hand retelling by Halsey
ember tusk
thats what i said but those armours are either unique or too stupid to be used in active combat
dense pulsar
So really, Noble 6 could have had the goofiest looking armor on but Halsey is senile cause its 5620 and no one kept records on him
gilded mason
Well, Noble 6's actual appearance is supposed to be up to the imagination```
I think he has a canon appearance based on surveillance camera footage that got posted by Bungie/343and what armor was he wearing?
humble yacht
Mark V[b]
zenith veldt
oh
ember tusk
notice how Emile dont have a skull on his helmet
zenith veldt
he didn't always have it
terse lava
Would have been. Better
ember tusk
well if 6 was in shot he would have the skull on
humble yacht
unless that's Thom and that's way before the events of Reach
ember tusk
well you could argue that but if i remember correctly Thom had a extra module on the top of his helmet
also that date in the corner could contribute to the argument
obsidian thistle
Oh that. Thats deffo B312
dusty prawn
I see the skull, the lighting is just bright
obsidian thistle
But in general. Noble 6 if we use all sources possible uses default armor and he dies in default armor (thanks Outpost) in the campaign missions.
He ordered a Recon helmet (the pre-order one) and it was accepted but no one has ever said if he actually got Recon. (Which is kinda funny)
And if we wanted to be a tad technical in the gaps between missions N6 can wear a slightly uparmored version of his armor. If the Loot Crate imagery is to be held as fact. But he'd have to change back to default by the time of a campaign mission.
versed helm
But why would loot crate imagery be taken as lore?
obsidian thistle
Why not? Nothing really breaks Noble Team doing a side mission between Reach campaign missions
humble yacht
Isnât there a decent time gap between Tip of the Spear and LNoS?
versed helm
But do the side missions feature Jorge after his death in the campaign? I haven't played reach, so I dont know
obsidian thistle
I say side missions as in "if there is a gap, it can be filled with anything". And there is a lotta gaps till LNoS starts.
Oh and one weird note
If we take the ONI Archives video as fact.
Noble Six has that annoying Smiley face Emblem on him.
XD
humble yacht
Thatâs just because the scene was recorded in mcc, yes?
obsidian thistle
Yup.
That is obvious heh
But it is in a canon source. So its something to note
For the time being that is
versed helm
But then, why would he use the upgraded armour only for side missions?
humble yacht
The smiley face emblem should not be promoted as canon
A smart move would be to add an asterisk on any associated halopedia entries noting that the emblem exists as an unaddressed issue with the ported version of the game
obsidian thistle
No idea. But as Spartans are not limited to 1 set. (Halo 4 and 5 era media defined that) One can assume N6 can change his armor pending his choice. And maybe the mission here (if canon) prompted N6 to change stuff up for that mission alone.
But again. Nothing says it is canon. đ¤ So I'll leave that up to your interpretation. I am just keeping the door open for all gaps to be filled with anything
A smart move would be to add an asterisk on any associated halopedia entries noting that the emblem exists as an unaddressed issue with the ported version of the game
@humble yacht I tbh wouldnt mind it not being canon lol. I dislike the smiley face due to the images it ruined lol.
versed helm
if there wasnât a great schism do you think the covenant would of been able to hold off the flood ? (Game play wise I believe so but idk lore wise)
humble yacht
no
obsidian thistle
Well... depends on the scenario
The Covenant have been shown to be able to stop the Flood from spreading for a few years on the Shield World in Halo Wars 1. As they knew about its existence for a few years.
That however was not an infection on their Holy City.
And they couldnt evidently eradicate the Flood on that shield world
cedar surge
Well the IAC couldn't have cotton onto HC with no schism
So the flood would have been stopped there
obsidian thistle
The Flood finds a way
cedar surge
With no ships to use or mobile base
hollow sorrel
What were the Silent Shadowâs history before joining the Banished?
terse lava
They were the spec ops of the spec ops in the Covenant
main siren
Basically, Tier 1 covenant operators in the covenant spec ops :P
astral pivot
so when elites eat do there mouths turn into blenders if they ate something like corn on cob? Because of there split jaws or do they just eat food look Dr Zoidberg and grab food with there mandible things and throw it in there mouth
fast musk
I think sanghili make there mouth into a human like shape when eating
As in close the bottom 2
snow halo
why do elites sound so similar to humans even though their mouths are shaped like that
snow halo
like during that cutscene in halo 2 where the arbiter and shipmaster were talking I don't think they were actually speaking english I think they just spoke in whatever the spoke but it's english for translation purposes
zenith veldt
that's what I'm thinking
fast musk
I think they use a translator
snow halo
no like we hear english but they spoke sangheli or whatever
snow halo
like i highly doubt they actually spoke english unless they're talking to humans
fast musk
In halo 2 cortana translates one of the profits so maybe
jolly swift
so is the forerunner trilogy told through the framing device of Chakas telling his story?
gilded mason
I think Primordium is.
jolly swift
do the other two have similar framing devices?
cedar surge
but elites can't just close their bottom mouths to eat
they have no bottom jaw
the food will just fall out
gilded mason
Cryptum was a message or something that Bornstellar made, that was found on Onyx
I forget how Silentium was found
Ah, here it is:
The files in question are said to have been extracted from two sources: the carapace of a deceased Catalog (designated Forerunner remains #879) and a damaged monitor.
gilded mason
(Not Spark)
delicate fjord
I like the storyline of Robb Egustaus because he is the main cheif in the robotic legions map and he is good with his guns and yeah so yeah
jolly swift
Okay spinfoil theory time: what if Halo Infinite features Chief jumping between timelines
There's a precedent for games subtitled Infinite doing that
cedar surge
no
gilded mason
no
gilded mason
Not really
cedar surge
no alternate universes
halo did time travel and that was bad
and we have the precursor gods in the back
jolly swift
Wait when did it do time travel
Okay I did some research and I forgot the time dilation from slipspace sent them back a week in First Strike
I really need to reread that original trilogy
cedar surge
i would prefer halo without magic or jumping through timelines
the universe we got now is enough
jolly swift
tbh I miss when Forerunner stuff basically was magic
everything's been explained away now
nimble crest
Just copped retribution, cole protocol, harvest, and onyx
jolly swift
noice
cedar surge
wait what is retribution about?
main siren
Veta Lopis and her Ferret team (Olivia, Ash, and Mark) foiling a bioweapon plot
jolly swift
It woulda been real cool if in the Package level of Reach Cortana talked to Six
main siren
Halo Nightfall was where Locke was featured in
stable flower
Anyone else agree that the Grunts were the French of the Covenant?
cedar surge
So have any covenants species did something with the fact that some of humanities cultures are a bit similar to their own?
terse lava
I doubt it, aside from maybe simply acknowledging such a thing exists
maiden crescent
Anyone else agree that the Grunts were the French of the Covenant?
@stable flower what do you mean?
terse lava
He means the fact that unggoy always act cowardly and run away. Much like the meme of the French during ww2
jolly furnace
tbh I miss when Forerunner stuff basically was magic
@jolly swift Some forerunner is still basically magic if we tried to apply it to real life or take real life physics into account. Precursor technology is just even more obviously magic if we tried to apply it to real life or take real life physics into account.
stable flower
Grunts were easily subjugated by the Created, and also were neutral during the Great Schism, as some supported the Loyalists and others supported the Separatists.
dense pulsar
When will the neural physics meme end
cedar surge
No
terse lava
"Our urge to meme is immutable"
jolly furnace
Hmm
I mean I think the logic plague actually used memes to transmit itself and its corruption
The Gravemind's desire to corrupt is absolute
terse lava
True
jolly swift
Do you think the plot of Halo would have been any different if the Pillar of Autumn and Fleet of Particular Justice had found themselves at any of the other Halos?
cedar surge
If the one in two the galaxy would be dead
terse lava
Guess it depends on 2 things.
- Can Thel and Stewardship get in contact with High Charity so they know whose in charge.
- Which halo?
stable flower
If it was Delta Halo, it would've been bad cause the Flood were already released on that one.
hollow sorrel
How old is and where did the Covenant come from?
gilded mason
852 BC was when the Covenant formed
And it happened after San'Shyuum and Sangheili came in contact with each other and began a long and bloody war. After a while, both sides realized they were too evenly matched, so they formed a truce
terse lava
Which lasted for 3400 years
gilded mason
(The Covenant did, not the war. To clarify)
terse lava
The war between the san shyuum and sangheili lasted almost 90 years if I recall
gilded mason
Yeh
(And most were okay with being friends with their former enemy. An enemy of ~90 years, not 27.)
terse lava
Another fun little fact, the sangheili, before the start of that war, had plasma weapons for thousands of years
gilded mason
And Slipspace and antigravity
terse lava
Yep
hollow sorrel
How did the SanâShyumm fight back? Were there Prealots around at that time? It would seem like without the prealots, the elites easily win
terse lava
The war mostly took place in the form of naval battles
gilded mason
The San'Shyuum had the Keyship and reverse-engineered Forerunner tech
Though the Elites' superior tactics let them circumvent that, kinda
hollow sorrel
So if the SanâShyumm were skilled in naval combat, were there many Prophet fleet commanders in the covenant?
terse lava
Ehh...in the Covenant's early years there were some san shyuum shipmasters
We know of one at least
hollow sorrel
If you donât mind me asking, who were they?
terse lava
At that point though the san shyuum did still have a small presence in the military. Mind you this was 2 to 3 years into the Covenant's existence
The one in question? Vervum
Kind of a jerk
hollow sorrel
Ok thanks. Iâm fairly uneducated as the only lore I get is from HiddenX lol. What would you suggest is a good lore source?
terse lava
Depends on your interest. Halopedia itself is a wonderful source.
gilded mason
And, of course, the books themselves. ;)
terse lava
If you are seeking novels of Covenant interest(seeing as your questions were on that)try Broken Circle and Shadow of Intent, and Warfleet with Mythos
hollow sorrel
Iâve read Shadow of intent. Very nice
terse lava
Indeed, Broken Circle is a wonderful book too. First half takes place in the infancy of the Covenant, while the latter half takes place in 2552
echo nebula
Reading the books is always an enjoyable way to experience the Haloverse, but I also like listening to the audiobooks. Sometimes it is easier, and faster, to learn the lore
karmic hemlock
ive been listening to a lot of Halo Canon and Xperia
halo lore is a friggin rabbit hole
round comet
if you want to properly get into this rabbit hole, read the books yourself instead of watching halo youtubers
hollow sorrel
Whatâs wrong with listening to books or having others summarise the lore for us?
round comet
nothing wrong with listening to books lol.
audio books are p popular, but i prefer the normal books where i read.
having others summarise the lore for us?
once you read the books and actually get into the EU, you will know all that is wrong with this.
vale pasture
who is atriox
round comet
Atriox is the leader of the banished.
versed helm
Atriox is da baws man of the new antagonist faction
He's also Craig during No Shave November
faint stone
apparently
some flash clone brains
if they put in a part where they walk by noble 6s helmet that'll be nice
round comet
doesn't halsey have some clones in stasis in her lab?
in CASTLE base?
cedar surge
i would be happy if they showed his mutilated corpse
faint stone
đ
cedar surge
but of course there would be cries of "oh look 343 did it again and ruined something bungie"
faint stone
bruh
cedar surge
even though bungie confirmed his death
faint stone
someone was on about how flood belonged to bungie
and bringing them back means trying to bring bungie back
lmfao
i
'i'd rather keep prometheans'
cedar surge
ah yes because the flood doesn't belong to halo
faint stone
ononon
round comet
in CASTLE base?
she had 20, only 2 of which were "ready" for the AI stuff, and one of those two was used.
tough ridge
huh
faint stone
considering the assault rifle in infinite shares a similar design to reachs
they'll probably find an old armoury to use
cedar surge
long its a new assault rifle
faint stone
o
faint stone
might just be made using parts ydig
cedar surge
wouldn't see why
round comet
someone was on about how flood belonged to bungie
and bringing them back means trying to bring bungie back
..what
faint stone
yep
cedar surge
the infinity can make new guns
faint stone
someone literally got upset over people wanting the flood back
cedar surge
the unsc wouldn't need to go back to older ones
tough ridge
If the flood is in infinite all sides are lost
cedar surge
this isn't the foods game
them showing up out of nowhere for the flood to be simply back would be bad
round comet
someone literally got upset over people wanting the flood back
id be not-happy if the flood is in infinite. In fact, im 100% against it.
but not for reasons as DUMB as "it belongs to bungo".
cedar surge
like "SEE THIS ENEMEY YOU LIKE SO MUCH?"
round comet
yeah lol.
tough ridge
lol
humble yacht
They already did that
round comet
They already did that
lets not talk about it.
round comet
cedar surge
banished makes more sense then flood
round comet
the flood in infinite is just such a painful thought when you know it will probably happen.
cedar surge
they are a actual post war faction built up post war
humble yacht
Created would have made more sense than banished
humble yacht
Le sigh
round comet
created are not just the ones that make sense, they are a necessity.
faint stone
'le
'le'
big oof there
that's a certified verified reddit moment
well
we have 'harbingers'
wonder who they are
round comet
created are not just the ones that make sense, they are a necessity.
the flood just suck.
the banished, im not sure how i feel about those guys.
faint stone
banished are clearly looking for something
also, when the banished attacked the unsc team on the ark, was that during halo 5 or shortly after?
faint stone
never really looked into it just remember isabelle saying 'comms went off and the portal from the ark shut down'
cedar surge
also between the flood,created,and banished i like the banished design the most
faint stone
oh yeah
i'm happy they kept the banished phantom design
no matter how
skinny it looks
faint stone
gotta rewatch it and yeah
i like it too
banished vehicles basically looked rough
and that was great about them
cedar surge
i really hope 343 doesn't just make the banished look exactly like the covenant in other media
unique rune
The Banished Phantom never quite captured what I liked about the Banished aesthetic. Nor did it really nail down what I liked about the Phantomâs design.
cedar surge
ln HW2 or infinite?
faint stone
both have the same design
unique rune
I mean, yeah, the design went unchanged so both.
round comet
p clear that they are a fan favorite type of enemy faction, as chris lee said and that's p much the reason why they were added to infinite.
on the other hand, the banished could make for a decent sub plot and add sort of this "diversity" to the narrative if that makes sense, like its not all about the created.
but if they become the main focus and the created are sidelined then im done.
cedar surge
with infinite or just halo?
faint stone
because it's pretty obvious that the banished will be the main threat after all lol
round comet
guess you are done
yup :)
faint stone
cortana might get mentioned sometimes
humble yacht
Tbh iâm prepared to be done
round comet
same.
faint stone
as long as the multiplayer aint bad
round comet
:)
cedar surge
with halo?
faint stone
i aint holding any hype for infinite
humble yacht
Iâve left franchises before, nbd